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| 07:20.15 | luke-jr | xiangfu: hi, I was curious: do people in China typically like communism, or see it as a bad thing? |
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| 10:14.09 | kyak | luke-jr: i wouldn't take it away from xiangfu, but think about it. There are 1.3+ bln. people in China, and even if xiangfu knows opinions of 100.000 people, that's smaller than one percent of one percent. |
| 10:14.56 | kyak | Moreover, there is a "survivor trap". One person probably mostly communicats and knows opinions of people that are of his kind |
| 10:15.39 | kyak | hence the "wtf, i didn't vote Mr. X, and nobody else i know did. How the hell did he win? This is all a lie!" |
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| 11:23.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | also which answers do you expect to get past the great chinese firewall? ;-P |
| 11:25.37 | whitequark | "communicats", is that about Party cats |
| 11:25.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wouldn't ask questions like "what do you think of (Putin|Erdogan|communism)" to anybody I was able to figure who they actually are |
| 11:26.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless they are not fist hand involved or emigrated ultimately |
| 11:26.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | first* hand |
| 11:28.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | In Turkey it takes less to lose your job and possibly do an undetermined time in jail |
| 11:29.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | in Russia you might get in a list of persons eventually to get assassinated. And no idea about china |
| 11:31.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | as far as I could tell, in China you don't notice much of communism as long as you don't utter notions about communism |
| 11:32.19 | whitequark | your opinion of russia is completely divorced from reality |
| 11:32.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't know |
| 11:33.02 | whitequark | journalists, yes. moles, yes. people with significant resources grabbing political power, yes |
| 11:33.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly it takes more than a mere IRC chat in Russia to "appear on the radar" |
| 11:33.16 | whitequark | otherwise you can do all the futile criticism you want |
| 11:33.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, as long as nobody takes notice :-) |
| 11:33.44 | whitequark | even Navalny is still comparatively unhindered, except for censorship and all the fake judges |
| 11:33.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | just in line with "if elections could change things, they were illegal" |
| 11:33.57 | whitequark | but he's alive and fairly vocal |
| 11:34.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 11:34.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I had put it slightly exaggerated to make a point |
| 11:34.57 | whitequark | this really just follows from the state being based on kleptocracy and not an ideology |
| 11:35.34 | whitequark | you don't win anything by murdering opponents that are already neutered |
| 11:37.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | though in Turkey pedestrians walking by a demo of fired teachers ("support of terrorism" since they signed a protest note) don't dare to stop and talk to any of the 100some demonstrators, they are scared they might get on a watch list as well |
| 11:37.16 | whitequark | Turkey is quite different |
| 11:37.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 11:37.31 | whitequark | they don't do IMSI catchers in RU too (yet, I think) |
| 11:37.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | not needed |
| 11:37.43 | whitequark | well, not widely and not publicly, at least. I take precaustions nevertheless |
| 11:38.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | Putin is 'smart', Erdogan is a jackass |
| 11:39.01 | whitequark | I don't think anyone considers Putin dumb or incompetent |
| 11:39.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | for sure not |
| 11:40.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | and don't get me started about that US idiot |
| 11:41.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | "alternative facts" was briliant though |
| 11:41.46 | whitequark | yes, I would like to avoid getting you started about that :P |
| 11:41.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Orwell quality |
| 11:44.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | though Putin achieved exactly the same, don't know how: a female Putin 'lover' interviewed uttered sth like "I don't care if $(fact X is true or not), I just believe Putin" |
| 11:45.19 | whitequark | what on earth are you talking about |
| 11:45.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm talking about post-facts age |
| 11:46.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | no matter what Leader X tells, you just have to *believe* in it and all will be fine. If it's true or not is explicitly not a thing to worry about |
| 11:47.49 | whitequark | well that's not exactly new is it |
| 11:47.52 | whitequark | just propaganda |
| 11:48.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas spreads like black plague recently |
| 11:48.21 | whitequark | oh you'll love that South Korea story |
| 11:48.56 | whitequark | the Park Geun-hye case is *nuts* |
| 11:49.03 | whitequark | like Trump has nothing on it |
| 11:49.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | googles |
| 11:49.51 | whitequark | let me find you a good summary |
| 11:50.16 | whitequark | the english media gives you some stupid condensed shit that's nowhere near showing the depths of depravity |
| 11:50.23 | whitequark | I had a good article from a korean... |
| 11:51.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | needs lunch |
| 11:51.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | bbl |
| 11:52.32 | whitequark | DocScrutinizer05: ah yes, this one: https://askakorean.blogspot.hk/2016/10/the-irrational-downfall-of-park-geun-hye.html |
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| 13:46.14 | wpwrak | (communicats) it's about cats who believe in the ethical superiority of forcibly sharing the food of others ;-) |
| 13:57.12 | larsc | wasn't there a Disney movie about this? |
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| 14:32.52 | kyak | communicats: http://img02.deviantart.net/ce01/i/2005/083/d/9/__communism___by_cat_cat.jpg |
| 14:35.11 | kyak | all cats are communists, anyways.. They get what they need, and do what they are able to do :) |
| 14:36.22 | wpwrak | they're populists: everybody loves them, and they get away with whatever |
| 18:49.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, I punished mine with a water gun when she for example jumped onto the table. Worked really well, she didn't do it twice |
| 18:49.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | so much for "get away with whatever" |
| 18:51.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and once when she went mad, I locked her in the 3m^2 toilet for an hour or two, which calmed her down quite noticeably |
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| 18:52.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | weird enough she loved me most of all 4 family humans, maybe _because_ of that clear treatment |
