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| 09:24.48 | feabeaeadd | Hello |
| 09:25.13 | feabeaeadd | Long time Ben Nanonote user here |
| 09:25.26 | feabeaeadd | I am surprised to see so many people on this channel |
| 09:25.42 | feabeaeadd | I'm just checking out, out of curiosity |
| 09:25.56 | feabeaeadd | I thought Qi Hardware was dead and long gone |
| 09:26.18 | feabeaeadd | How have things been doing for the last 7 years? |
| 09:57.54 | wpwrak | 7 years already ? wow. time flies :) |
| 10:01.37 | feabeaeadd | Yes, it does |
| 10:04.09 | wpwrak | well, there's a wee bit of activity on the nanonote every now and then. |
| 10:04.47 | wpwrak | i still have the anelok project. been very quiet for a while but now i found a new cpu to play with, the ingenic x1000. that should make things interesting again :) |
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| 12:23.36 | feabeaeadd1 | I see wpwrak |
| 12:23.58 | feabeaeadd1 | I don't have time to contribute to the nanonote :( |
| 12:24.16 | feabeaeadd1 | But it would have been interesting to update all the software and the toolchain |
| 12:24.37 | feabeaeadd1 | Considering that everything is still working with kernel 2.6 and gcc4 |
| 12:25.00 | feabeaeadd1 | There's a lot of improvement that has been done since then, it's probably worth it |
| 12:25.12 | feabeaeadd1 | But I'm no kernel/gcc expert either. |
| 12:28.08 | feabeaeadd1 | Although, on the electronic side, I don't know where to start, as I have zero knowledge in electronics whatsoever |
| 12:28.34 | feabeaeadd1 | I know that capacitors hold charge, the bigger, the better. But that's about it! :P |
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| 13:00.05 | paul_boddie | Recent NanoNote-related stuff: http://www.boddie.org.uk/paul/L4Re-Fiasco.OC.html |
| 13:00.56 | paul_boddie | wpwrak: Did you get a development board for the X1000 in the end? |
| 13:02.26 | eintopf | L4 Fiasco? waaahhhhhhhhh |
| 13:04.38 | paul_boddie | ? |
| 13:48.45 | paul_boddie | feabeaeadd: There is kernel renovation going on, but I haven't managed to get Paul C's work to run yet. |
| 13:49.18 | paul_boddie | The pinctrl stuff seems OK, but I suspect other breakage. |
| 13:56.21 | kyak | wow, i didn't know something else can run on Ben apart from Linux |
| 13:58.47 | paul_boddie | I thought that someone must have ported something else, like a BSD or even Inferno, but maybe not. |
| 13:59.23 | kyak | oh, i remember now.. There was a guy, named Bas, and he had ab "Iris" project |
| 14:00.08 | paul_boddie | Yes, Bas Wijnen made Iris available for the Ben and Trendtac/Letux 400. |
| 14:00.35 | paul_boddie | He has been very helpful when I've asked him stupid questions about the hardware. :-) |
| 14:01.01 | kyak | writing an OS from scratch for a capable hardware is such a big task.. |
| 14:01.20 | paul_boddie | I previously had a simple payload that activated the screen, did some task switching, tested the keypad. Bas was really helpful about some of that. |
| 14:03.28 | kyak | feabeaeadd1: by the way, it's not 2.6, it's 3.3.8 that was the kernel is the image released last :) |
| 14:05.10 | paul_boddie | More recent kernels have worked. But things broke at 4.13, I think. |
| 14:06.05 | kyak | they will eventually kick it out of upstream, if not already |
| 14:07.44 | paul_boddie | Linux kernel development is awful for that and many other reasons. |
| 14:10.08 | feabeaeadd1 | I see. I've suspected something like that |
| 14:12.13 | paul_boddie | I don't see it necessarily going away, given that much of the Ingenic stuff might be upstream, but things may need to move to device tree support. |
| 14:12.47 | feabeaeadd1 | paul_boddie: It's awful, but what makes it usable are the drivers, right? As far as I know, it's the only FOSS kernel that has that much support. Otherwise, there's probably other good FOSS kernels out there for UNIX-like OSs. |
| 14:14.45 | paul_boddie | That's why I'm interested in alternatives to Linux plus the notion of generic drivers. |
| 14:29.01 | feabeaeadd1 | I see |
| 14:29.34 | feabeaeadd1 | I've been tinkering with OpenBSD recently, but I haven't looked much at their source code |
| 14:30.26 | feabeaeadd1 | It's probably not suited for devices like the Dingoo |
| 14:30.33 | feabeaeadd1 | Or is it? I don't know |
| 14:31.21 | feabeaeadd1 | NetBSD should be(?) a safe bet in terms of portability and generic drivers |
| 14:33.42 | paul_boddie | I think it's NetBSD that provides the rump kernel stuff. That is quite interesting. |
| 14:34.49 | paul_boddie | Surely someone must have ported NetBSD to one of these devices. Rockbox was ported to the Dingoo and maybe the Ben, I think. |
| 14:50.51 | paul_boddie | I guess there's also RetroBSD and LiteBSD which even run on PIC32. But something more conventional/modern would be more feasible. |
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| 14:59.25 | wpwrak | paul_boddie: arrived last week, yes. they don't make the X1000 modules/boards anymore - they've now upgraded everything to X1000E (so, 64 MB of RAM). |
| 15:04.23 | paul_boddie | Sounds exciting! |
| 15:05.11 | paul_boddie | I guess the X1000 is most closely related to the JZ4770/4780. |
| 15:14.08 | wpwrak | i hope so, yes :) maybe m150 and such are an even closer match. alas, there's no programming manual for the x1000. but they publish a linux kernel. and there are PMs for the other cpus. |
| 15:15.08 | wpwrak | sadly, usbboot from xburst-tools doesn't recognize it, and trying to patch and compile it ends with a ton of issues |
| 15:15.30 | wpwrak | so i don't know yet if usb booting is still the same |
| 15:19.19 | paul_boddie | I haven't tried xburst-tools with the CI20 which uses the JZ4780. |
| 15:19.27 | paul_boddie | But this guy wrote his own tools: http://code.lardcave.net/2015/03/07/1/ |
| 15:20.10 | paul_boddie | Maybe there are some clues in that. |
| 15:24.21 | wpwrak | ah, let's see ... |
| 15:36.59 | wpwrak | "Unknown CPU with info X1000_v1" looks promising |
| 15:37.32 | wpwrak | cmopilation of the load binary fails. so anything past initial contact won't work. but that's already better than what i had so far :) |
| 15:38.15 | wpwrak | (ingenic provide a "cloner" for usb boot, too. but that one's closed, with a gui, and has very specific ideas about how things are organized) |
| 15:45.06 | paul_boddie | Sounds a bit like Allwinner, from what I've heard, but I guess they need nice "easy" tools for the factories. |
| 15:45.59 | paul_boddie | I'd hate to have to maintain these programming tools. For PIC32, I found a nice Free Software suite that did the business. |
| 15:49.34 | wpwrak | the USB uploader looks friendly enough :) https://github.com/nfd/ci20-os/blob/master/usbloader.py |
| 15:50.17 | wpwrak | now .. where's that TCSM in the x1000 ... it has a habit of moving around ... |
| 15:57.31 | wpwrak | seems to be the same on jz4780 and x1000. actually, M150 has it there, too. it's remapped. so that things is constant. okay, now let toggle some LED ... |
| 16:03.18 | paul_boddie | Stuff appears and disappears, too. Although maybe they've settled on the basic peripherals now. |
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| 22:23.06 | whitequark | DocScrutinizer51: wpwrak: I want to request a PID from openmoko |
| 22:23.08 | whitequark | who do I go to? |
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