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| 05:20.11 | SportChick | orange: ping |
| 05:20.24 | SportChick | menotume: ping |
| 05:22.12 | orange | SportChick: what's up? |
| 05:22.23 | SportChick | orange: I can't connect to silvercat |
| 05:22.26 | SportChick | says server not found |
| 05:22.30 | orange | ~silvercat |
| 05:22.38 | SportChick | toki can get in just fine |
| 05:22.50 | SportChick | I've tried the rotation server AND pillbox |
| 05:22.57 | orange | sounds like DNS issues |
| 05:23.05 | SportChick | what's that mean? |
| 05:23.06 | orange | but I can't get in from here either |
| 05:23.11 | SportChick | hrm |
| 05:23.22 | SportChick | anything we can do to fix? |
| 05:23.30 | SportChick | would a /superkill fix it? |
| 05:23.33 | orange | nope |
| 05:23.38 | orange | this is at the internet level |
| 05:23.42 | SportChick | oh |
| 05:23.43 | SportChick | :( |
| 05:24.52 | JBdiGriz | I'm currently playing on pillbox with silver |
| 05:24.56 | SportChick | org: toki asked if you can get a traceroute |
| 05:24.58 | orange | something's not right |
| 05:25.15 | JBdiGriz | I was seeing a lot of nr's, but silverfox doesn't see any problems |
| 05:25.16 | SportChick | gah, I can't type |
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| 05:26.02 | SilverFox | traceroute? |
| 05:26.26 | orange | I can't resolve |
| 05:26.35 | JBdiGriz | It's stopping at 68-185-2-10.static.mdfd.or.charter.com (68.185.2.10) 96.470 ms 63.523 ms 56.986 ms |
| 05:26.36 | SilverFox | oh, that's interesting... |
| 05:26.44 | SilverFox | that's normal JB. |
| 05:26.46 | orange | I'm on charter, just fyi |
| 05:26.59 | SilverFox | whereabouts? |
| 05:27.32 | SilverFox | in the northwest? |
| 05:27.35 | JBdiGriz | Does silvercat.tybox.net respond to ICMP? |
| 05:27.40 | SilverFox | nope. |
| 05:27.52 | SilverFox | or, actually, yes. |
| 05:27.56 | JBdiGriz | That makes traceroute less reliable. |
| 05:27.57 | tokimi | traceroute worked fine on my end |
| 05:28.26 | JBdiGriz | Non-authoritative answer: |
| 05:28.27 | JBdiGriz | silvercat.bzflag.org canonical name = silvercat.tybox.net. |
| 05:28.27 | JBdiGriz | silvercat.tybox.net canonical name = elite.tybox.net. |
| 05:28.27 | JBdiGriz | Name: elite.tybox.net |
| 05:28.27 | JBdiGriz | Address: 68.185.29.18 |
| 05:28.28 | SilverFox | you can connect though, right tokimi? |
| 05:28.38 | orange | SilverFox: southeast |
| 05:28.40 | tokimi | let me log off and try again |
| 05:28.42 | JBdiGriz | It's interesting that I'm not getting an authoritative answer. |
| 05:28.43 | orange | pretty much opposite |
| 05:28.48 | orange | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 05:29.03 | tokimi | yah, my area is having no trouble |
| 05:29.05 | SilverFox | JBdiGriz, the server "rate limits" ICMP, so it drops if there is too much |
| 05:29.35 | JBdiGriz | What else is happening on the connection that my ICMP would be too much? |
| 05:29.42 | SilverFox | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/46446 |
| 05:29.49 | SilverFox | dunno. |
| 05:30.12 | SilverFox | I've got a pretty sketchy connection. |
| 05:31.28 | SilverFox | when it comes in via wiltel, it drops at the last hop. |
| 05:31.51 | JBdiGriz | That's a huge last hop |
| 05:32.04 | JBdiGriz | 121->427 ??? |
| 05:32.26 | SilverFox | yeah, like I said, sketchy connection. |
| 05:32.38 | SilverFox | One of the three sent was 427. |
| 05:32.51 | SilverFox | http://www.telstra.net/cgi-bin/trace?silvercat.bzflag.org |
| 05:33.09 | JBdiGriz | I'm at 57ms to 68-185-2-10.static.mdfd.or.charter.com (68.185.2.10), but it's not connecting to silvercat for theICMP. |
| 05:33.50 | JBdiGriz | Isn't telstra in Australia? |
| 05:34.24 | SilverFox | yes. |
| 05:34.51 | SilverFox | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/46447 (added a trace from a AT&T router) |
| 05:35.26 | SilverFox | funny how some make it to the destination and others don't. |
| 05:35.35 | SilverFox | All resolve though. You having DNS problems orange? |
| 05:36.17 | SilverFox | I don't really see anything "wrong". Just some strange behavior. |
| 05:36.24 | JBdiGriz | We're getting a non-authoritative SOA for bzflag.org |
| 05:37.14 | SilverFox | thats normal if you're not querying the authorative name server for bzflag.org. |
| 05:38.39 | JBdiGriz | zoneedit.com is being slow with an answer for tybox.net, but I'm getting an answer |
| 05:38.45 | SilverFox | $ nslookup silvercat.bzflag.org |
| 05:38.50 | SilverFox | Non-authoritative answer: |
| 05:38.50 | SilverFox | silvercat.bzflag.org canonical name = silvercat.tybox.net. |
| 05:39.05 | JBdiGriz | typically, if I'm getting full dns, I will get an authoritative answer. |
| 05:39.26 | SilverFox | do the same thing with the auth server: nslookup silvercat.bzflag.org ns.mecworks.com |
| 05:39.47 | JBdiGriz | I did, I got an authoritative SOA from there |
| 05:40.02 | SilverFox | how can a caching server give an authorative answer for a domain that it does not host (is not the registered ns) ? |
| 05:40.19 | SilverFox | Name Server:NS.MECWORKS.COM |
| 05:40.19 | SilverFox | Name Server:NS2.CODEPOET.ORG |
| 05:40.31 | SportChick | I got in finally |
| 05:40.33 | JBdiGriz | Try nslookup silvercat.tybox.net ns3.zoneedit.com |
| 05:40.35 | SilverFox | only those two servers should give authorative answers for bzflag.org inquiries. |
| 05:40.48 | SportChick | but the lag is horrendous |
| 05:40.49 | JBdiGriz | That's the second authoritative server for tybox.net |
| 05:40.52 | SportChick | I'm over 1.5 seconds |
| 05:40.56 | SilverFox | wow.... |
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| 05:43.24 | JBdiGriz | Sportchick has connected |
| 05:46.49 | JBdiGriz | so where has your DNS backup disappeared to? |
| 05:47.40 | SilverFox | I've changed the name servers for the domain. |
| 05:48.55 | JBdiGriz | Unfortunately, it will take a while to propagate |
| 05:49.15 | JBdiGriz | I'm not sure that would cause the sort of issues I have seen though. |
| 05:49.32 | orange | I can resolve the dns now |
| 05:49.35 | JBdiGriz | Does it get the maps from your box? |
| 05:49.48 | SilverFox | it? |
| 05:49.57 | JBdiGriz | DNS |
| 05:50.06 | SilverFox | dns doesn't have much to do with maps. |
| 05:50.23 | SilverFox | we do not pull maps from a web server, if thats what you mean. |
| 05:50.49 | SilverFox | orange, whats your name server? |
| 05:50.51 | JBdiGriz | DNS has everything to do with maps. There is a statement of authority (SOA) and then there is a list of the various A records |
| 05:50.57 | SilverFox | oh, you CAN. nvm |
| 05:51.07 | SilverFox | not bzflag maps. |
| 05:51.16 | JBdiGriz | :-D DNS maps |
| 05:51.38 | SilverFox | I've never used the term "map" when dealing w/DNS. |
| 05:52.11 | SilverFox | of course, I'm a djb guy, so I do things rather unconvoluted when it comes to DNS. ;) |
| 05:52.25 | SilverFox | yes. unconvoluted. you can quote me on that. |
| 05:53.31 | orange | SilverFox: using the charter ones, as far as I know |
| 05:54.50 | JBdiGriz | I don't think I'll quote you on that ;-) I'm a network guy, so I tend to go right to the packet formats. |
| 05:57.01 | JBdiGriz | The wikipedia lists one of the reasons they are called maps. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dns#Types_of_DNS_records |
| 06:18.21 | SilverFox | orange, there are many charter NS's. |
| 06:18.31 | SilverFox | I'm a network guy... |
| 06:19.20 | SilverFox | that doesn't use "maps" as a noun, but as an verb. |
| 06:19.27 | SilverFox | a verb that is. |
| 06:20.23 | JBdiGriz | and so we have always called the actual file a map |
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| 06:51.04 | SilverFox | I see. |
| 06:51.20 | SilverFox | we call it a zone or zone file depending on the situation. |
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