| 00:04.02 | kergoth | sweet, army of darkness is on sci fi |
| 00:04.06 | kergoth | just started :) |
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| 00:31.46 | slimspace | grr...patch didn't fix it |
| 00:32.02 | slimspace | but the makefile seems to work |
| 00:33.04 | CIA-10 | spacegrant: 03maccarro * r1106 10doc-misc/symposium/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Much more work done on the pymck paper, and now we have a style for the symposium |
| 00:38.34 | scanline | oh |
| 00:38.43 | scanline | slimspace: this is the AIAA style, not something specific to the symposium? |
| 00:39.09 | slimspace | it's a modified AIAA style. The symposium specific one is almost identical, but with different headers and fotters |
| 00:39.12 | slimspace | *footers |
| 00:39.14 | scanline | k |
| 00:39.54 | slimspace | ~lart inkscape |
| 00:40.17 | scanline | what's it doing now? |
| 00:40.36 | slimspace | that patch that was supposed to fix the command-line didn't. |
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| 00:40.52 | scanline | heh |
| 00:40.56 | scanline | oh no, cwisty's back! |
| 00:41.01 | cwisty | oh no |
| 00:41.08 | cwisty | alert the media |
| 00:42.11 | scanline | so how was your trip? |
| 00:42.18 | scanline | consistently fun? |
| 00:42.25 | cwisty | fun fun |
| 00:42.27 | cwisty | how was yours? |
| 00:42.37 | scanline | quite good |
| 00:42.55 | scanline | the interviews seemed to go well.. at least they were a lot more interesting and less stressful than I expected |
| 00:42.59 | scanline | Palo Alto was easy to get around in |
| 00:43.05 | scanline | got to meet ChipX86 and eat Chinese food with him |
| 00:43.10 | scanline | had Sushi with a couple of the vmware guys |
| 00:43.13 | scanline | mmmm |
| 00:43.25 | scanline | the hotel room was disgustingly spacious |
| 00:43.28 | cwisty | yay |
| 00:43.30 | cwisty | good |
| 00:43.32 | purple_cow | heh |
| 00:45.45 | cwisty | so they soubd like somewhere you wanna be? |
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| 00:47.23 | scanline | yep |
| 00:47.33 | cwist1 | why? |
| 00:47.36 | scanline | I'm really excited about it... hoping to see a job offer from them next week |
| 00:47.56 | scanline | well, they're working on some really cool stuff that overlaps nicely with my interests |
| 00:48.03 | cwist1 | what kinda things do they want you to do |
| 00:48.37 | scanline | it's looking like I'd be working on the team that emulates interactive devices.. specifically, I'd be probably doing work on 3D acceleration and/or USB emulation |
| 00:48.40 | lurgy | hey cwist* |
| 00:53.02 | lurgy | purple_cow: still "Forbidden Planet" |
| 00:53.06 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 00:53.09 | purple_cow | good movie :) |
| 00:53.23 | lurgy | hehe |
| 00:54.00 | lurgy | and.. oh my god it's a walking, talking bubble gum dispense |
| 00:54.01 | lurgy | r |
| 00:54.43 | purple_cow | yay robbie! |
| 00:54.52 | lurgy | "nice planet you have here.. high oxygen content" |
| 00:55.00 | lurgy | "i rarely use it myself, sir" |
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| 00:55.09 | cwisty | sorry bout that |
| 00:55.10 | cwisty | hi lurgy |
| 00:55.12 | lurgy | hiya cwisty |
| 00:55.27 | scanline | yay, it's cwisty |
| 00:55.40 | lurgy | seems like Robbie would have better luck walking if he had knees :) |
| 00:55.43 | cwisty | I'm back |
| 00:55.47 | lurgy | yay |
| 00:56.15 | scanline | yay, it's cwisty |
| 00:56.17 | scanline | or |
| 00:56.18 | scanline | yay |
| 00:56.29 | scanline | poor laptop.. needs more RAM |
| 00:56.33 | lurgy | yay |
| 00:56.39 | cwisty | um yay |
| 00:56.46 | cwisty | was feeling left out with the yay's |
| 00:57.06 | lurgy | hehe |
| 00:57.29 | lurgy | "whatever that lunch was, it was certainly delicious" |
| 00:58.19 | lurgy | "a household disintigrator beam!" |
| 01:02.17 | scanline | hmm |
| 01:02.20 | scanline | need more coffee |
| 01:02.25 | purple_cow | oh scott, you dog you |
| 01:03.20 | scanline | see, I bet scott doesn't have any papers to write |
| 01:03.31 | lurgy | damn that scott |
| 01:04.03 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7525 10docs/papers/acmsrc/src.tex: better place for the figure |
| 01:08.20 | scanline | slimspace: were you already working on applying that style to the standards paper, or should I do that? |
| 01:08.37 | slimspace | scanline: I haven't worked on it yet |
| 01:08.39 | scanline | k |
| 01:08.42 | scanline | I'll do that then |
| 01:08.47 | slimspace | should be fairly easy though, some junk at the top is really all you need |
| 01:09.03 | slimspace | and convert any \chapter tags to \section, and stuff like that |
| 01:10.05 | scanline | right |
| 01:10.10 | scanline | I'm already on it |
| 01:10.35 | purple_cow | lurgy: i think they explain that? |
| 01:10.52 | lurgy | could be |
| 01:11.00 | scanline | slimspace: "Member Grade."? |
| 01:11.21 | slimspace | don't ask me. It's in the format, but I have no idea what it means. |
| 01:11.26 | scanline | mmkay |
| 01:11.39 | slimspace | I'm assuming something is supposed to go there, but I don't know what |
| 01:14.17 | lurgy | heh.. |
| 01:18.08 | darth_mall | so... where'd all the source for fyre go? all I'm seeing in my navi misc checkout looks like stuff for our OOP project |
| 01:18.22 | scanline | silly darth_mall, not paying attention |
| 01:18.29 | scanline | it moved into the fyre-1.0 branch a while ago |
| 01:18.32 | purple_cow | darth_mall: branches/ |
| 01:18.48 | darth_mall | ah, I didn't realize you'd actually moved it out of trunk |
| 01:19.25 | purple_cow | that happened over a month ago... |
| 01:19.31 | darth_mall | ah, I didn't realize you'd actually moved it out of trunk |
| 01:19.35 | scanline | heh |
| 01:22.38 | scanline | oh no, purple_cow is wearing clothes! |
| 01:22.47 | cwisty | oh no? |
| 01:22.52 | cwisty | you'd rather him be naked? |
| 01:23.02 | lurgy | heh |
| 01:23.03 | scanline | well, he went to change.. and somehow he ended up wearing fancier clothes rather than less fancy ones |
| 01:23.11 | scanline | that's usually not what happens on a saturday evening it seems |
| 01:23.21 | scanline | shock by dress! |
| 01:23.28 | scanline | and by no RAM |
| 01:23.51 | scanline | silly g++ |
| 01:24.37 | scanline | cwisty: I'm just fine with purple_cow being naked, but I wouldn't prefer to be in the room at the time |
| 01:24.56 | purple_cow | pfft |
| 01:25.03 | cwisty | ok |
| 01:25.27 | purple_cow | you should be basking in my glorious beauty |
| 01:25.51 | scanline | yes.... |
| 01:27.07 | lurgy | hehe, leslie nielsen looks a lot more rimmerlike in this movie than i'm used to |
| 01:27.29 | lurgy | rofl |
| 01:27.35 | lurgy | "you always looked just beautiful" |
| 01:27.47 | lurgy | "well then why don't you just kiss me like everybody else does" |
| 01:28.49 | lurgy | heh, don't i have all sorts of other lines i'm supposed to use? |
| 01:29.06 | KeyserLaptop | oh, the really old sci-fli flick he was in? |
| 01:29.18 | lurgy | forbidden planet |
| 01:29.50 | lurgy | hmm |
| 01:29.57 | slimspace | yay, up to 9 pages |
| 01:30.26 | lurgy | cwisty: so, you're a girl then |
| 01:30.30 | lurgy | ^_^ |
| 01:30.36 | lurgy | purple_cow: is that one red dwarf? |
| 01:30.55 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 01:31.00 | scanline | there's also the worm-do line |
| 01:31.01 | purple_cow | that's the one with the holly-hop drive |
| 01:31.05 | lurgy | hehe |
| 01:31.09 | lurgy | that's right |
| 01:31.11 | lurgy | i remember now |
| 01:31.14 | purple_cow | and the mesmo-stare |
| 01:31.28 | KeyserLaptop | lurgy, was "so, you're a girl then" a question, or a statement |
| 01:31.49 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:31.52 | lurgy | then of course there's always.. |
| 01:31.55 | purple_cow | KeyserLaptop: i think it's kind of both |
| 01:31.56 | lurgy | "you're pretty, for a girl" |
| 01:32.02 | scanline | wow |
| 01:32.02 | KeyserLaptop | lol |
| 01:32.20 | lurgy | that one certainly implies all sorts of.. er.. interesting stuff |
| 01:32.49 | scanline | then there's always "My two favorite things are committment, and changing myself" |
| 01:32.57 | lurgy | hehe |
| 01:33.17 | lurgy | "i enjoy long walks off short piers.." |
| 01:33.32 | scanline | short sandy piers? |
| 01:33.45 | lurgy | sand is optional i guess |
| 01:34.16 | KeyserLaptop | rofl |
| 01:34.49 | lurgy | i remember someone saying "how come you're so cute?" in some old movie on PBS |
| 01:35.05 | scanline | uh oh, looks like purple_cow is gettin ready to venture home |
| 01:35.11 | lurgy | uh oh |
| 01:35.17 | purple_cow | if by home, you mean mateo, then yes |
| 01:35.17 | scanline | and he isn't even naked! |
| 01:35.41 | lurgy | "i sometimes wish i'd been blessed with multiple arms and legs" |
| 01:36.47 | scanline | blahhhh |
| 01:36.59 | scanline | now I'm having the same inkscape problem that slimspace is having, and that I was having before on yoshi |
| 01:40.45 | lurgy | "the number ten.. raised ALMOST INFINITELY to the power of infinity!" |
| 01:45.00 | KeyserLaptop | hehe |
| 01:45.05 | KeyserLaptop | i remember that line |
| 01:45.29 | KeyserLaptop | not 9 or 11, mind you |
| 01:45.54 | lurgy | yep |
| 01:46.05 | lurgy | those would be *completely* different |
| 02:06.09 | lurgy | "but the Krell forgot one thing.. monsters, john! monsters from the id!" |
| 02:06.46 | KeyserLaptop | lol |
| 02:11.55 | CIA-10 | spacegrant: 03maccarro * r1107 10doc-misc/symposium/ (lib/Rules.make lib/aiaa-tc.cls pymck_paper.tex): small tweaks to the build system, and yay, the paper is almost done |
| 02:39.24 | scanline | hmm |
| 02:39.26 | scanline | 82.4 V AC |
| 02:39.35 | scanline | that's odd |
| 02:40.59 | scanline | hmm |
| 02:44.35 | KeyserLaptop | 82vac out of a wall outlet? |
| 02:48.18 | scanline | no |
| 02:48.25 | KeyserLaptop | hehe |
| 02:51.10 | scanline | ok, a bunch of flashing LEDs at 60 Hz gets really annoyinmg |
| 03:00.40 | scanline | sigh |
| 03:00.42 | scanline | it's too bad LED light looks so artificial |
| 03:00.48 | scanline | this is a lot of output for about a watt |
| 03:00.50 | scanline | and inkscape is still compiling! |
| 03:00.52 | scanline | arrr |
| 03:25.26 | scanline | yay |
| 03:25.33 | scanline | finally fixed inkscape by using the latest CVS |
| 03:25.35 | scanline | I think |
| 03:25.44 | scanline | slimspace: subfigmat.sty? |
| 03:26.33 | slimspace | you need to download that from CTAN |
| 03:26.44 | slimspace | not really necessary though, unless you use figures that would want that |
| 03:26.56 | slimspace | its for having a matrix of figures |
| 03:27.10 | scanline | right |
| 03:27.16 | scanline | ok |
| 03:27.43 | slimspace | you might also need dropping, but I'm not sure |
| 03:27.45 | scanline | we should probably just include all nonstandard styles in 'lib' |
| 03:27.53 | slimspace | that'd work |
| 03:28.25 | scanline | er |
| 03:28.27 | scanline | I can do it :P |
| 03:28.41 | slimspace | yeah, but I'm about to commit it :P |
| 03:29.03 | scanline | I am too :P |
| 03:29.04 | CIA-10 | spacegrant: 03dowty * r1108 10doc-misc/symposium/ (lib/subfig.sty lib/subfigmat.sty subfig.sty): Move subfig.sty to lib, add subfigmat.sty |
| 03:29.07 | scanline | I win! |
| 03:29.11 | slimspace | grr... |
| 03:29.13 | slimspace | hehe |
| 03:29.13 | scanline | hehe |
| 03:29.29 | slimspace | oh well, I can still commit my paper :P |
| 03:29.48 | scanline | yeah |
| 03:29.51 | hardwire | blah |
| 03:30.03 | kergoth | bleh |
| 03:30.05 | scanline | and now I can finally build this all and see if my formatting works |
| 03:30.42 | hardwire | no birdfucking allowed |
| 03:31.03 | CIA-10 | spacegrant: 03maccarro * r1109 10doc-misc/symposium/ (lib/dropping.sty pymck_paper.tex): added dropping.sty, just in case, and an almost finished paper. Short of proof-reading and maybe some references, I think it's done. |
| 03:32.20 | darth_mall | oooh |
| 03:32.26 | darth_mall | that Snow White movie is on IFC tonight =D |
| 03:32.37 | CIA-10 | spacegrant: 03maccarro * r1110 10doc-misc/symposium/pymck_paper.tex: s/chapter/section/g |
| 03:33.57 | CIA-10 | spacegrant: 03maccarro * r1111 10doc-misc/symposium/pymck_paper.tex: and now it doesn't complain because of a missing nomencl package that's not needed |
| 03:34.30 | darth_mall | oooh |
| 03:34.36 | darth_mall | slimspace got a good revision number |
| 03:34.45 | slimspace | :) |
| 03:35.24 | scanline | oh no! |
| 03:35.47 | scanline | where is \printglossary coming from? I don't have it defined |
| 03:35.53 | scanline | and for that matter, why do we have a glossary? |
| 03:36.02 | darth_mall | because they're classy |
| 03:36.11 | slimspace | if you copied and pasted from my document, it's at the beginning, and not needed |
| 03:36.18 | slimspace | otherwise...donno |
| 03:36.41 | scanline | ah, ok |
| 03:36.44 | scanline | you just removed that too |
| 03:36.48 | slimspace | yeah |
| 03:39.11 | scanline | that's kinda odd... "make all" is only building pymck_paper.pdf |
| 03:39.13 | scanline | and I can't figure out why |
| 03:39.47 | slimspace | I couldn't test that due to inkscape b0rkage |
| 03:40.20 | CIA-10 | spacegrant: 03dowty * r1112 10doc-misc/symposium/lib/Rules.make: Fix 'make clean' |
| 03:42.26 | slimspace | hmm! |
| 03:42.38 | slimspace | inkscape has a 0.42 release...wherein the commandline functionality is fixed |
| 03:43.01 | scanline | heh |
| 03:43.50 | darth_mall | x-g is so great for avoiding work |
| 03:43.54 | scanline | sounds like lots of fun.. |
| 03:44.51 | scanline | yay quantum leap |
| 03:45.02 | scanline | but what the hell is up with this build system... |
| 03:46.47 | scanline | hah |
| 03:46.54 | scanline | this still had a couple seconds of sci-fi channel ads |
| 03:47.13 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 03:48.02 | slimspace | odd...they have 0.42 release notes posted on the wiki, but no packages |
| 03:50.25 | darth_mall | wow... Leanne Rimes singing a song by Poison, definitely sounds like something I never want to hear |
| 03:50.39 | slimspace | hmm...maybe they're starting to release it now...the release notes came out two days ago |
| 03:52.45 | darth_mall | chameleons are cool! |
| 03:53.41 | scanline | ooh, fancy |
| 03:53.49 | KeyserLaptop | what i like about them, is how they can change color to blend into their surroundings |
| 03:54.26 | KeyserLaptop | they change color! |
| 03:54.35 | slimspace | wow... |
| 03:54.37 | CIA-10 | spacegrant: 03dowty * r1113 10doc-misc/symposium/lib/Rules.make: The tex to pdf rule should depend on %.tex rather than *.tex. This was copied from the other paper build system, where each paper had multiple .tex source files and a separate directory. |
| 03:54.48 | CIA-10 | spacegrant: 03dowty * r1114 10doc-misc/symposium/standards_paper.tex: Yay, applied Cory's swanky formatting |
| 03:55.25 | scanline | hmm |
| 03:55.51 | slimspace | I wish...check out the SG kit |
| 03:55.51 | scanline | and it was definitely supposed to be 2-column |
| 03:56.01 | scanline | er.. right, this is SG formatting for now |
| 03:56.11 | scanline | we have a couple months before the AIAA wants their copy |
| 03:56.16 | slimspace | yeah, I don't have a formatting for the AIAA we need to use now |
| 03:56.22 | scanline | nod |
| 03:56.42 | slimspace | although that one I picked up straight off their site, so they might have the current one there too |
| 04:02.13 | darth_mall | scanline: so how'd your interview go? I haven't heard anything yet |
| 04:03.07 | scanline | oh |
| 04:03.11 | scanline | I think it went really well |
| 04:03.22 | darth_mall | cool. any word on a job? |
| 04:03.33 | scanline | they gave me a good handful of brain teasers and programming questions and such, but for the most part it turned out to just be a bunch of interesting conversations with their people |
| 04:03.39 | scanline | I'll find out middle of next week |
| 04:03.42 | darth_mall | neat |
| 04:04.07 | scanline | I think it went really well, but they've been really selective about hiring new people |
| 04:04.25 | darth_mall | still cool, though ;) |
| 04:04.28 | scanline | yep |
| 04:09.32 | kergoth | hrm |
| 04:10.26 | scanline | slimspace: done anything yet for citations? we might want a bibtex style for the SG stuffs |
| 04:14.41 | slimspace | I think the support is in there, but I haven't cited anything, so I don't know |
| 04:16.43 | slimspace | so I was looking through the OOP homework coming up...I think our flight software demonstrates everything there in one way or another |
| 04:17.28 | purple_cow | slimspace: it's kind of depressing |
| 04:17.48 | slimspace | yeah...well, at least it's easy and quick this time |
| 04:23.43 | scanline | hmmmm |
| 04:24.18 | scanline | basically a force-feedback scroll wheel ;) |
| 04:24.23 | scanline | I think theirs is even USB |
| 04:26.11 | purple_cow | hehe, cool |
| 04:27.08 | scanline | hah, yeah |
| 04:27.13 | scanline | they even mention the PICs with USB |
| 04:27.28 | scanline | looks like they just send 8 bytes each way every 2 frames |
| 04:27.36 | scanline | so.. pushing the limits of low-speed USB, but usable |
| 04:31.14 | lurgy | purple_cow, scanline: literati! |
| 04:31.39 | file[laptop] | apartments in Sackville are nice and cheap |
| 04:32.02 | purple_cow | lurgy: java seems continually broken on every machine i know of |
| 04:32.17 | lurgy | pff |
| 04:32.22 | lurgy | silly purple_cow and his broken java :( |
| 04:32.26 | purple_cow | plus i have this stupid paper to write |
| 04:32.30 | file[laptop] | lurgy: how is lurgy today? |
| 04:35.24 | lurgy | and scanline? |
| 04:36.12 | purple_cow | scanline's busy saying "huh" at something he's reading |
| 04:36.21 | lurgy | pff, scanline and his 'reading' |
| 04:36.44 | KeyserLaptop | hmmm. i had heard of asus's laptop computers a while ago, but it looks like msi and gigabyte are also making laptops now |
| 04:40.12 | KeyserLaptop | wow. and ECS (another motherboard maker) has a tablet PC out |
| 04:40.18 | file[laptop] | IRC suddenly went quiet in all the channels I'm in |
| 04:40.19 | file[laptop] | it's eery |
| 04:43.07 | KeyserLaptop | oh, actually ECS has been selling "desknotes" for a while now, i forgot all about that |
| 04:45.24 | darth_mall | hehehe... I can't wait to see Sin City |
| 04:45.43 | KeyserLaptop | the previews look nice |
| 04:46.01 | darth_mall | I know |
| 04:46.04 | darth_mall | and it's a huge cast |
| 04:46.15 | darth_mall | I bet it's gonna be a kickass action flick |
| 04:46.19 | KeyserLaptop | jessica alba in particular looks nice |
| 04:47.47 | darth_mall | yep |
| 04:47.58 | darth_mall | all of the male characters look great, though |
| 04:48.07 | darth_mall | they look so much like the characters |
| 04:48.12 | scanline | holy fuck |
| 04:48.16 | scanline | the Fluke 179's fuses are enormous |
| 04:50.38 | darth_mall | dammit... this server removal stuff still isn't working |
| 04:50.54 | darth_mall | oooh... time for that Snow White thing that looked really creepy |
| 04:52.02 | kergoth | snow white, a tale of terror? wtf is this |
| 04:52.23 | scanline | hmm |
| 04:52.27 | scanline | sounds like someone's watching Noir4 |
| 04:52.29 | scanline | s/4// |
| 04:52.34 | purple_cow | yep |
| 04:52.46 | purple_cow | last exile has re-sparked my interest in anime |
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| 04:52.49 | pagefaul1 | hi |
| 04:52.51 | purple_cow | since it was just so awesome |
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| 04:52.58 | darth_mall | kergoth: on IFC? it looks way cool |
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| 04:53.20 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:53.21 | KeyserLaptop | IFC? |
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| 04:53.26 | kergoth | sigorney weaver and sam neil eh |
| 04:53.33 | kergoth | KeyserLaptop: independent film channel, iirc |
| 04:53.51 | KeyserLaptop | sam neil == guy from jurassic park, and then a king arthur flick? |
| 04:53.54 | darth_mall | kergoth: you are correct |
| 04:53.58 | darth_mall | KeyserLaptop: you are correct |
| 04:54.15 | darth_mall | if by "king arthur flick" you mean Merlin |
| 04:54.21 | KeyserLaptop | yep |
| 04:54.28 | KeyserLaptop | i might :) |
| 04:55.24 | lurgy | hollywood should set a new precedent |
| 04:55.31 | lurgy | why make a movie that's a sequel to just one other movie |
| 04:55.48 | lurgy | just think: "Mertanic II", the tale of one man's magical crusade against icebergs |
| 04:56.05 | KeyserLaptop | speaking of merlin.... |
| 04:56.16 | KeyserLaptop | when was the last time merlin262 said anything in here? |
| 04:56.39 | KeyserLaptop | jbot: seen merlin262 |
| 04:56.49 | jbot | merlin262 is currently on #tacobeam |
| 04:56.49 | file[laptop] | long ago |
| 04:56.51 | pagefaul1 | interesting |
| 04:57.01 | darth_mall | if I ever have kids, I'm so raising them on Grimm fairy tales and the like ^^ |
| 04:57.05 | darth_mall | none of this Disney bull |
| 04:57.38 | KeyserLaptop | you'll scare the hell out of them |
| 04:59.04 | purple_cow | so they'll turn out like lurgy |
| 04:59.09 | KeyserLaptop | hehe |
| 05:01.41 | darth_mall | oooh... it's the guy who played the mentat in the SciFi Dune miniseries |
| 05:02.11 | darth_mall | KeyserLaptop: that's the idear ;) |
| 05:02.31 | KeyserLaptop | mentat -> duncan? |
| 05:03.39 | kergoth | mm, dune. i havent read that in so long |
| 05:03.41 | kergoth | i should do so |
| 05:05.27 | KeyserLaptop | wait, duncan idaho wasn't a mentat in the first book, or the series, was he? |
| 05:05.41 | file[laptop] | yay trance |
| 05:07.55 | darth_mall | KeyserLaptop: Duncan Idaho was not a mentat |
| 05:08.04 | darth_mall | I forget the mentat's name |
| 05:08.13 | darth_mall | he worked for the Baron Harkonnen |
| 05:08.15 | scanline | ow |
| 05:08.24 | KeyserLaptop | darth_mall: not in the first book. he got killed, and came back (repeatedly) in subsequent books, and was a mentat in one |
| 05:08.44 | KeyserLaptop | thufir hawat is the name of the mentat who worked for paul's dad |
| 05:08.47 | scanline | handy tip of the day: I^2*R = burnt finger |
| 05:08.56 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 05:09.05 | purple_cow | scanline: that's not what they taught me in physics... |
| 05:09.21 | scanline | purple_cow: burnt fingers are measured in watts, apparently |
| 05:09.40 | scanline | second handy tip of the day: when you suspect a part is heating up, use the thermocouple |
| 05:10.08 | KeyserLaptop | the mentat who worked for baron harkonnen was name piter devries, apparently, although that name doesn't sound at all familiar |
| 05:10.28 | KeyserLaptop | hehe |
| 05:10.48 | purple_cow | scanline: but transistor-shaped burns are a mark of honor |
| 05:10.58 | KeyserLaptop | they had this nifty infrared camera at work, while trying out different backlights for a lcd screen, either tubes, or LEDs |
| 05:11.28 | KeyserLaptop | and one of our processor cards came back from re-work drawing 50% more power than it usually did |
| 05:12.05 | KeyserLaptop | so i told the guy sitting across the isle using the infrared camera to put it at the board, and the ethernet PHY was glowing |
| 05:12.27 | KeyserLaptop | and then after seeing that, the hardware guy put his finger on it, and was surprised to get burnt :D |
| 05:12.43 | scanline | purple_cow: these are resistor-shaped |
| 05:12.51 | KeyserLaptop | er, s/isle/aisle/, s/put/point/ |
| 05:12.58 | scanline | and actually, I'm not even sure the heating is a problem |
| 05:13.02 | scanline | this is probably well within the specs |
| 05:13.47 | scanline | oh, maybe not |
| 05:13.50 | scanline | 2.8 watts... |
| 05:15.43 | purple_cow | hehehe |
| 05:22.04 | darth_mall | KeyserLaptop: Hawat was who I was thinking of ^^ |
| 05:22.13 | darth_mall | erm... maybe not |
| 05:22.20 | darth_mall | not for Leito |
| 05:23.06 | darth_mall | KeyserLaptop: Piter |
| 05:23.33 | rioter | http://photos5.flickr.com/7235381_f6d709c00f_o.jpg |
| 05:23.37 | rioter | looks pretty real |
| 05:24.07 | purple_cow | hehehe |
| 05:24.23 | scanline | yay, 32-bit color |
| 05:24.29 | purple_cow | a little misaligned, but cool photo |
| 05:26.50 | purple_cow | ooh, cheap |
| 05:26.52 | purple_cow | http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/11/products_id/154 |
| 05:30.53 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7526 10docs/papers/acmsrc/src.tex: add a couple 'results' paragraphs |
| 05:31.57 | darth_mall | I love how creepy these fairy tales are |
| 05:34.44 | darth_mall | hehehe... these dwarves are cool |
| 05:36.43 | darth_mall | kergoth: are you watchin' this? |
| 05:40.44 | kergoth | yeah, its great. twisted. |
| 05:40.52 | file[laptop] | 15 minutes and this trance mix ends, and I sleep |
| 05:40.55 | lurgy | purple_cow: ooh, that's pretty |
| 05:43.01 | purple_cow | lurgy: i'm thinking that plus a combo mi6k+uvswitch+usb hub |
| 05:43.40 | lurgy | mmm :) |
| 05:43.53 | scanline | now purple_cow just has to learn how to build all that :) |
| 05:43.58 | purple_cow | heh |
| 05:44.19 | purple_cow | mi6k is easy to build |
| 05:44.22 | lurgy | or me :) |
| 05:44.45 | darth_mall | soldering not so bad |
| 05:44.47 | scanline | haha |
| 05:44.48 | darth_mall | if I can do it lurgy can |
| 05:45.03 | scanline | purple_cow: you say that now |
| 05:45.16 | scanline | purple_cow: mi6k is more complex than the duck hunt system and you haven't finished that |
| 05:45.31 | darth_mall | uhoh... |
| 05:45.37 | scanline | hah |
| 05:45.38 | purple_cow | scanline: mi6k doesn't involve any design, just assembling parts :P |
| 05:45.38 | scanline | http://www.douglasadams.com/dna/980707-03-a.html |
| 05:46.12 | scanline | it doesn't really have a board design though, just a silly homemade one-sided PCB :( |
| 05:46.40 | scanline | maybe I'm just looking forward to seeing you actually build some of this hardware you've been talking about ;) |
| 05:47.05 | purple_cow | scanline: i was just going to do it on some perfboard... |
| 05:47.13 | scanline | hah |
| 05:47.18 | scanline | well, the mi6k could use a couple design changes too |
| 05:47.26 | scanline | the current circuit works fine, but it could be made more efficient |
| 05:47.28 | purple_cow | the mi6k is an awfully simple circuit last time i looked |
| 05:48.04 | scanline | http://navi.cx/svn/misc/trunk/wasabi/devices/mi6k/hardware/stb/schematic.pdf |
| 05:48.22 | scanline | so, it has a pretty normal microcontroller with USB and all that |
| 05:48.33 | scanline | the group of transistors near the VFD is what bothers me |
| 05:48.43 | scanline | it works, but it could be done much more efficiently with a MOSFET |
| 05:49.19 | scanline | ah, well, I guess I'm just being picky |
| 05:49.28 | scanline | wasabi's mi6k has been working fine for a couple years now |
| 05:49.47 | lurgy | have we been here a couple years? |
| 05:49.51 | lurgy | scary |
| 05:49.53 | scanline | uh.. sure.. |
| 05:49.59 | scanline | nearly a couple I guess |
| 05:50.03 | lurgy | yeah |
| 05:50.07 | file[laptop] | time sure flys |
| 05:50.10 | scanline | and that mi6k was one of the first things I built after we moved here |
| 05:50.20 | lurgy | nod |
| 05:50.21 | lurgy | hmm |
| 05:50.32 | file[laptop] | oh well! goodnight everyone |
| 05:50.33 | scanline | hah, I think I have nearly all the parts to build a second mi6k |
| 05:50.38 | scanline | I even have another 5V switching power supply |
| 05:50.43 | lurgy | purple_cow: so is this going to be an SATA RAID sort of fileserver, or another spreadfs sort of deal |
| 05:50.47 | scanline | it's too bad the VFDs aren't really available any more |
| 05:51.05 | lurgy | ebay? :) |
| 05:51.11 | darth_mall | build one from gum wrappers? |
| 05:51.13 | scanline | well, I do have a second one that purple_cow wanted to buy |
| 05:51.14 | purple_cow | lurgy: i was thinking nslu2+unionfs or spreadfs |
| 05:51.24 | scanline | hah, nslu2? |
| 05:51.39 | scanline | they have USB 2 to SATA adaptors? |
| 05:51.46 | scanline | or would you just use IDE disks? |
| 05:51.50 | kergoth | whew |
| 05:51.57 | kergoth | i went into my closet to try to find a book |
| 05:52.00 | purple_cow | might as well just use IDE, it's the same price |
| 05:52.02 | kergoth | barely made it out in one piece |
| 05:52.06 | kergoth | and without hte book |
| 05:52.07 | kergoth | grr |
| 05:52.08 | purple_cow | and nslu2s are getting *really* cheap |
| 05:52.29 | scanline | purple_cow: you will definitely be CPU-limited if you run spreadfs on an nslu2 |
| 05:52.32 | lurgy | hey look, pricewatch got slightly less ugly |
| 05:52.33 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03evan * r7527 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/navigation-tree.c: Making progress. It's getting further without crashing. |
| 05:52.46 | purple_cow | not crashing is a good feature |
| 05:52.54 | lurgy | hmm |
| 05:52.54 | scanline | but I guess if it's a dedicated machine, a crashy unionfs would be nice |
| 05:52.57 | scanline | er |
| 05:52.59 | scanline | s/nice/livable/ |
| 05:53.03 | darth_mall | purple_cow: it's still crashing, just later ;) |
| 05:53.08 | lurgy | purple_cow: so i guess someone's gonna get to buy a DVD burner then.. |
| 05:53.19 | lurgy | :) |
| 05:53.22 | purple_cow | scanline: well, i'm guessing by the time i put together the file server, unionfs will be less crashy... |
| 05:53.27 | scanline | yeah |
| 05:53.32 | purple_cow | since that'll probably be near the end of the summer |
| 05:53.38 | scanline | lurgy: someone's going to have to buy a pile of networking equipment ;) |
| 05:54.14 | scanline | and who's fault is that? |
| 05:54.20 | purple_cow | yours, dammit |
| 05:54.29 | scanline | pff, why is it my fault? |
| 05:54.38 | purple_cow | 'cuz you're leaving me |
| 05:54.44 | scanline | so is darth_mall |
| 05:54.56 | kergoth | darth_mall: did you know that orson scott card did a rendition of a fairy tale? one of his books tied into sleeping beauty |
| 05:55.06 | darth_mall | kergoth: which one? |
| 05:55.18 | lurgy | purple_cow: here? since "here" is where slimspace is coming already, and i've already moved apartments once :P |
| 05:55.25 | darth_mall | heh |
| 05:55.28 | purple_cow | well, the crux of the issue is that it wouldn't really be possible to fit all of my stuff into the small room |
| 05:55.31 | lurgy | :) |
| 05:55.36 | lurgy | purple_cow: why not? |
| 05:55.37 | kergoth | i cant remember the name, it was that book i was looking for in my closet |
| 05:55.42 | scanline | purple_cow: bah, sure it would. you're hardly using any space as it is |
| 05:55.56 | purple_cow | well, if we look at darth_mall's setup |
| 05:56.07 | purple_cow | he's got a bed, bookcase and desk |
| 05:56.12 | scanline | purple_cow: your bed is tiny |
| 05:56.14 | purple_cow | my dresser is hidden in the closet |
| 05:56.37 | purple_cow | with all that, given the size of my monitors (desk has to be pushed back away from the wall), the room is full |
| 05:56.41 | kergoth | darth_mall: it was called Enchantment |
| 05:56.46 | purple_cow | leaving no room for music stand + instrument, etc... |
| 05:57.02 | darth_mall | kergoth: neat, I'll have to check that out |
| 05:57.13 | purple_cow | so it would be possible for me to live in that size room, but certainly not comfortable |
| 05:57.15 | lurgy | purple_cow: i guess we could start looking for more roommates |
| 05:57.32 | purple_cow | lurgy: i've had bad experiences moving in with people i don't know :( |
| 05:57.48 | scanline | purple_cow: find a girl to move in with ;) |
| 05:57.53 | lurgy | heh |
| 05:57.57 | purple_cow | at this point, i'm going to start looking for a single, but if there aren't any places livable/affordable, i'll go for the small room |
| 05:58.21 | scanline | oooh |
| 05:58.22 | scanline | http://navi.cx/svn/misc/trunk/wasabi/devices/mi6k/hardware/stb/pcb_layout.pdf |
| 05:58.30 | lurgy | i'm also not clear on which room slimspace is in fact going to take when he gets down here |
| 05:58.48 | scanline | I can't believe I fit that on a single-layer with no jumpers |
| 05:59.00 | darth_mall | lurgy: I was pretty sure he wanted a bigger room |
| 05:59.04 | lurgy | mkay |
| 05:59.15 | darth_mall | but I can't really speak for him, that's just what I remember |
| 05:59.21 | purple_cow | lurgy: is naomi leaving for the summer? |
| 05:59.47 | scanline | purple_cow: it'd make sense to at least try another homemade mi6k board.. it's basically free, since I already have extra FeCl and blank boards |
| 06:00.06 | lurgy | purple_cow: i'm not sure, but she didn't last summer |
| 06:00.16 | darth_mall | plooooooooooo |
| 06:00.24 | pf[laptop] | hah I need to settle an argument |
| 06:00.36 | scanline | pf[laptop]: no, I'm not gay |
| 06:00.48 | pf[laptop] | ? |
| 06:00.51 | pf[laptop] | hehe |
| 06:02.01 | lurgy | hmm.. you can buy 1250G of harddrivy goodness for about $550.. not bad.. |
| 06:02.26 | scanline | lurgy: nice |
| 06:02.30 | pf[laptop] | what was the url to that weird sex story site we were talking about a long time ago? |
| 06:02.40 | kergoth | darth_mall: http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0345416872/ref=sib_rdr_bc/103-3537144-3072650?%5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S0C4#reader-page |
| 06:02.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:02.48 | lurgy | SATA, no less |
| 06:03.17 | darth_mall | kergoth: nifty |
| 06:03.36 | purple_cow | well, if slimspace chooses the small room, i'm happy to commit to moving to #1 |
| 06:04.17 | scanline | or purple_cow could live in the living room, and we could put the TV in the small bedroom! |
| 06:05.22 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03evan * r7528 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/navigation-tree.c: Much better. And I think I know what the last bug is. |
| 06:06.04 | lurgy | hehe |
| 06:06.22 | darth_mall | scanline: excellent idear! |
| 06:09.14 | cwisty | night all you tacobeamers |
| 06:09.27 | purple_cow | hmm, actually, given my imminent financial situation |
| 06:09.28 | darth_mall | uhoh... it's cwisty |
| 06:09.31 | darth_mall | and she's leaving! |
| 06:09.36 | purple_cow | it doesn't really matter whether or not i wait 2 weeks to buy this stuff |
| 06:09.52 | lurgy | g'night cwisty |
| 06:09.56 | cwisty | night lurgy |
| 06:10.12 | purple_cow | hehe, yay |
| 06:10.16 | scanline | g'night cwisty |
| 06:10.16 | purple_cow | finished with the oop homework already |
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| 06:11.32 | scanline | hahaha |
| 06:11.34 | scanline | this does look easy |
| 06:11.37 | scanline | and another 70 points? |
| 06:11.39 | scanline | what's he smoking? |
| 06:12.12 | purple_cow | took me 20 minutes total |
| 06:12.19 | scanline | I could so just pull three classes out of navi-misc and submit them for this |
| 06:12.43 | purple_cow | ooh, this online store doesn't require me to create an account |
| 06:12.43 | purple_cow | hurray! |
| 06:12.54 | scanline | hehe |
| 06:13.00 | scanline | and then you can build an mi6k! |
| 06:13.04 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03evan * r7529 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/navigation-tree.c: Just have to find this last crasher |
| 06:13.04 | scanline | right after darth_mall finishes his rasterwand |
| 06:13.33 | purple_cow | scanline: sure |
| 06:14.28 | purple_cow | and i might as well stick that on the same board as this theoretical uvswitch+blackjack thing |
| 06:14.44 | darth_mall | heh |
| 06:17.14 | scanline | eh |
| 06:17.20 | scanline | not sure why you'd want those on the same board |
| 06:17.31 | darth_mall | poor doggy |
| 06:18.22 | darth_mall | hehe... silly doctor guy, that's what you get for having silly hair |
| 06:19.00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:21.55 | lurgy | $1375 for a nice SATA raid-5 array with 1.2T of useful space on it.. |
| 06:22.29 | lurgy | yep, definitely can't afford that |
| 06:22.30 | purple_cow | what controller? |
| 06:23.06 | lurgy | a 3-ware 8000 series 4-channel one |
| 06:23.13 | purple_cow | k |
| 06:23.54 | purple_cow | 3ware are good |
| 06:24.00 | purple_cow | highpoint are crap :P |
| 06:24.05 | lurgy | hehe |
| 06:24.07 | lurgy | this we've learned :) |
| 06:24.28 | lurgy | now if only they'd buy other hardware that didn't tend to kersplode on itself |
| 06:24.34 | lurgy | then my job would be a lot easier |
| 06:24.35 | scanline | purple_cow: oh come on, have you *really* had any bad experience with them? |
| 06:24.37 | scanline | :) |
| 06:24.45 | darth_mall | hehe... her mirror in this is a little like Dorian Grey's portrait ^^ |
| 06:24.54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:24.57 | kergoth | thats what i was thinking |
| 06:25.18 | kergoth | yay, burning |
| 06:25.20 | darth_mall | which, among a whole host of things, is still on my reading list =\ |
| 06:27.08 | darth_mall | that was kind of a cool movie |
| 06:27.12 | lurgy | ooh, or about $1870 for a 2.1T 8-channel array |
| 06:27.58 | lurgy | aha |
| 06:28.22 | lurgy | $1320 for a 1.7T 8-channel array :P |
| 06:28.41 | darth_mall | ooooh |
| 06:28.55 | darth_mall | The Quiet Man is on AMC |
| 06:29.09 | lurgy | filled with 8 250G SATA disks, yikes.. |
| 06:32.27 | darth_mall | night lurgy! |
| 06:32.42 | lurgy | night darth_mall |
| 06:32.46 | lurgy | night everybody |
| 06:32.59 | kergoth | night darth_mall, lurgy |
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| 06:42.20 | purple_cow | damn scanline and his effective mounting techniques! |
| 06:42.25 | scanline | yep |
| 06:47.35 | kergoth | s/kei/kai/ |
| 06:47.46 | nullpuppy | mmmmm baileys |
| 06:49.15 | scanline | mmmm |
| 06:49.36 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 06:49.45 | kergoth | i need more of that too, all out |
| 06:49.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:50.04 | slimspace | seems I missed a bit about apartment stuffs |
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| 06:52.16 | slimspace | purple_cow: I was looking at the big room |
| 07:05.15 | scanline | silly purple_cow, watching anime while I'm trying to procrastinate! |
| 07:05.22 | scanline | and silly VFDs, being so expensive |
| 07:06.54 | scanline | this is the only one I've found at a decent price: |
| 07:06.56 | scanline | http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=search&item=VFD-202&type=store |
| 07:07.00 | scanline | and it needs some reverse engineering |
| 07:08.33 | scanline | the VFD I got for wasabi was $20 from B.G. Micro when I bought it |
| 07:08.39 | scanline | brand new I can't find any under $200 |
| 07:08.43 | scanline | heh |
| 07:32.51 | purple_cow | yay for vacuuming caulk off the couch |
| 07:41.13 | purple_cow | and yay for buying wasabi parts |
| 08:10.03 | scanline | and yay for this old VFD and power supply both working nicely |
| 08:10.13 | scanline | purple_cow: $20 for the VFD, $2 for the power supply :) |
| 08:10.25 | scanline | purple_cow: but if this is all going in the same case with the computer, you won't need a separate power board |
| 08:15.57 | purple_cow | yay, what a cool show |
| 08:16.46 | scanline | yay, xmmsvfd.py |
| 08:20.56 | scanline | and hooray for lots of high voltage stuff on the coffee table |
| 08:23.23 | scanline | erg |
| 08:23.53 | scanline | so I start reading this paper.. it sounds a lot like something I'd say. Then I realize I'm reading my paper, not the one I just downloaded :P |
| 08:24.09 | purple_cow | hehe |
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| 08:51.22 | Star | ARGH! *panic-y poking of ChipX86 * |
| 08:51.40 | scanline | oh no, poking! |
| 08:52.16 | Star | Yes poking! Icky bad popup crap on my puter and AD Aware isn't helping! *panic* |
| 08:52.34 | Star | It's eating my computer's soooouuuul |
| 08:53.17 | Star | T___T |
| 08:53.37 | Star | This is Nara, BTW |
| 08:53.50 | scanline | hello |
| 08:54.13 | Star | *pouts* Someone help meeeeee |
| 08:55.45 | scanline | so what exactly is going on? |
| 08:56.08 | scanline | are these internet explorer windows popping up, or is it some program that's actually installed on your machine? |
| 08:58.10 | purple_cow | wow, bluegene is up to 183 tflops |
| 08:58.45 | Star | My friend linked me to one of those retarded test sites and, not knowing this, I clicked it and lo and behold, something is downloading in the background and now, no matter how much I delete or destroy, more pop up programs magically appear *fumes* |
| 09:00.58 | scanline | hmm.. that's IE for you :( |
| 09:01.34 | scanline | you could open the task manager and kill the spyware's processes, but it's hard to tell in windows which processes are normal and which aren't |
| 09:01.45 | scanline | have you rebooted since this happened? |
| 09:02.17 | Star | once |
| 09:02.28 | scanline | k. and I assume it's still doing crazy stuff? |
| 09:02.31 | Star | and that was after removing some programs |
| 09:02.36 | Star | more so |
| 09:02.40 | scanline | great |
| 09:02.54 | scanline | so it probably stuck something in your registry that starts itself automatically |
| 09:03.02 | scanline | if so, you can remove that, reboot, and things should be normal |
| 09:03.08 | scanline | but it might have been more evil and modified stuff elsewhere |
| 09:03.21 | scanline | once your system has been compromised like this you really can't trust anything |
| 09:03.36 | Star | trying to find it is the problem *drowns in popups* |
| 09:04.24 | scanline | right. the only real way to be sure you get rid of it, if you don't know what it did, is to reinstall your machine :( |
| 09:04.35 | Star | fuccccckkkk.... |
| 09:04.48 | scanline | if you're lucky some antivirus company has already figured out what it did |
| 09:04.49 | scanline | but who knows |
| 09:05.07 | scanline | like I said, I don't use windows enough to know the best way to fix such a thing |
| 09:05.27 | scanline | it's awfully sucky that IE would just let some random code run without warning |
| 09:06.03 | Star | I should of been using Firefox.....*bashes head against a wall* |
| 09:09.16 | purple_cow | poor star |
| 09:09.22 | purple_cow | that's a painful situation |
| 09:11.23 | scanline | yeah :( |
| 09:30.46 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7530 10docs/papers/acmsrc/src.tex: expand the background section by a paragraph and a half |
| 10:07.54 | scanline | bleh. bedtime, I guess |
| 10:07.59 | CIA-10 | spacegrant: 03dowty * r1115 10doc-misc/symposium/ (. standards_paper.tex): More USB cruft |
| 12:00.23 | TD | ChipX86: you're not asleep? |
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| 16:59.20 | darth_mall | hmm |
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| 16:59.47 | darth_mall | ah |
| 16:59.49 | darth_mall | there it goes |
| 17:00.57 | scanline | the net connection here went down, I just had to reset both modems |
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| 17:08.18 | darth_mall | grrr |
| 17:08.26 | darth_mall | I dunno if this is my parents sucky router's fault or what |
| 17:17.28 | CIA-10 | winehq: 03Mike Hearn <mike@navi.cx> * 10/: Rename the process back to wine on 2.6 kernels |
| 17:18.56 | darth_mall | bleh... don't feel like doing any work |
| 17:26.33 | hardwire | sundays can have that effect on people |
| 17:27.44 | scanline | mozilla POWERWHALE! |
| 17:30.35 | scanline | "Aubin Paul: MythTV is exceptional, and I admire much of what they've done. But I don't like some of their design choices. For example, why would I run X-Windows on my TV?" |
| 17:30.43 | scanline | these Freevo developers bother me sometimes... |
| 17:30.46 | scanline | well, most of the time |
| 17:31.40 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 17:31.48 | scanline | well, you'd run X on your TV because it HAS A FREAKING ACCELERATION ARCHITECTURE, unlike all the framebuffer crap they've been pushing |
| 17:32.11 | scanline | this is the same madness that's got them doing all this Mbus craziness |
| 17:32.20 | scanline | and that has them supporting dxr3 cards still |
| 17:32.36 | scanline | one of these days I should really just finish our original plans for wasabi's UI |
| 17:33.20 | scanline | hmm |
| 17:33.28 | scanline | wonder if it would already be feasible to use python + cairo for that |
| 17:33.34 | scanline | SVG-everything would rock |
| 17:34.30 | lurgy | scanline: i'd probably wait until cairo is closer to a real release, at least until gtk+ 2.7 releases start happening |
| 17:34.32 | lurgy | cairo |
| 17:34.38 | lurgy | is still a bit unstable in my experience |
| 17:34.41 | lurgy | s/a bit/a lot/ |
| 17:34.44 | scanline | it also disturbs me how the Freevo guys think it's good that they aren't using Twisted in their latest code. Freevo has such a crappy ad-hoc system for timers and everything else that Twisted's great at |
| 17:34.58 | scanline | lurgy: I'm not going to have time for this soon I imagine... |
| 17:35.03 | lurgy | hehe |
| 17:35.07 | lurgy | well then it's a moot point |
| 17:35.10 | lurgy | mooooooooooooooooooot |
| 17:35.14 | scanline | mooooooooo! |
| 17:35.20 | darth_mall | ~cpr lurgy |
| 17:35.22 | jbot | lurgy: <smoochu> :-* |
| 17:35.31 | lurgy | morning darth_mall |
| 17:35.47 | darth_mall | nope |
| 17:35.50 | scanline | ah well. I should shower, then get back to paper-stuff |
| 17:37.31 | samyb | Fear. |
| 17:37.36 | samyb | Google "TrustedBSD Presentation" :) |
| 17:44.43 | file[laptop] | what does wasabi use for a tv tuner card? |
| 17:47.09 | samyb | GOOGLE FOR IT |
| 17:47.20 | file[laptop] | samyb: hrm? |
| 17:47.30 | samyb | :( |
| 17:47.35 | samyb | file[laptop]: :(: |
| 17:47.40 | samyb | file[laptop]: :): |
| 17:47.44 | file[laptop] | Samy is silly |
| 17:47.59 | samyb | file[laptop]: 8- |
| 18:08.30 | hardwire | blah |
| 18:10.28 | scanline | file[laptop]: cheap hauppauge card |
| 18:10.30 | scanline | but we don't get much use out of it really |
| 18:10.48 | scanline | we don't have anything to tune, and using it to overlay other things on top of video game signals just mucks up the picture quality no matter how you adjust it |
| 18:11.12 | scanline | for this uvswitch rev 2 that purple_cow wants, I'd really like some kind of high quality overlay solution :) |
| 18:11.46 | file[laptop] | ah |
| 18:15.25 | scanline | hmmm |
| 18:15.58 | scanline | that already gives me a couple ideas for fixing the problems it currently has |
| 18:16.24 | hardwire | forgot who made them |
| 18:18.01 | scanline | with alpha blending? :) |
| 18:18.18 | hardwire | they were selling them in an attempt to replace old amiga videotoaster hardware |
| 18:18.50 | scanline | what I'd really just absolutely love is an overlay board with alpha channel that avoids passing the original signal through any A/D or D/A conversion- it would do the alpha blending in analog electronics |
| 18:18.52 | hardwire | scanline: I figured some cards w/ opengl support would allow for full framerate NTSC to be overlayed ontoa texture. |
| 18:19.11 | hardwire | scanline: old video toasters did that.. |
| 18:19.17 | hardwire | I loved using them in high school |
| 18:20.38 | scanline | well |
| 18:20.42 | scanline | you can do all sorts of fun stuff I'm sure by capturing video with a hauppauge card, sticking that in a texture, then rendering to your heart's content |
| 18:20.45 | scanline | but that tends to screw up the original signal's quality |
| 18:20.51 | scanline | I know I was talking about it a while back, but I didn't actually implement anything |
| 18:21.18 | hardwire | ;| |
| 18:22.24 | hardwire | scanline: there are other dxr type boards as well.. that support blended overlay |
| 18:22.31 | hardwire | cm8xxx ? |
| 18:22.36 | scanline | hmm |
| 18:23.05 | hardwire | can't remember.. |
| 18:23.16 | scanline | it would be awfully cool to design such a thing around an FPGA and some dedicated video-munging hardware, with a USB 2.0 interface |
| 18:23.38 | scanline | then give it a built-in switch for selecting any N of M several source video signals |
| 18:23.49 | hardwire | check out the ivtv project |
| 18:24.03 | scanline | that's completely different, isn't it? |
| 18:24.13 | scanline | it's a driver for cards that have built-in mpeg encoders/decoders |
| 18:24.18 | hardwire | yeh |
| 18:24.25 | scanline | this would be doing overlays and blending in hardware, in analog |
| 18:24.29 | hardwire | it had something to do with accell osd as well |
| 18:24.33 | hardwire | ah |
| 18:24.43 | hardwire | thats so old school :) |
| 18:24.55 | scanline | eh, it avoids having to digitize the original signal |
| 18:25.12 | hardwire | which is the point. |
| 18:25.14 | scanline | right |
| 18:25.21 | scanline | damn that would be fun to design... |
| 18:25.30 | hardwire | a video overlay switchbar? |
| 18:25.56 | scanline | hardwire: well, specifically an overlay chip that does analog alpha blending |
| 18:26.08 | hardwire | what about the pong pic :) |
| 18:26.14 | scanline | what about it? |
| 18:26.23 | hardwire | its a joke |
| 18:26.51 | scanline | heh. is it now... |
| 18:27.02 | hardwire | its a joke in this context.. |
| 18:27.04 | hardwire | nevermind |
| 18:27.08 | hardwire | it was just an off the wall comment |
| 18:27.17 | darth_mall | hey hardwire |
| 18:27.21 | hardwire | hi darth_mall |
| 18:27.25 | darth_mall | how's it goin? |
| 18:27.36 | darth_mall | yay |
| 18:27.44 | hardwire | its the worst movie I have seen in a long time |
| 18:27.51 | hardwire | which is whats holding my interest |
| 18:28.00 | darth_mall | hehehe |
| 18:28.06 | hardwire | its a porn quality movie .. minus the porn .. |
| 18:28.09 | scanline | http://www.ampltd.com/prod/vac104p.html |
| 18:28.45 | scanline | that's pretty much exactly what I want :) |
| 18:29.14 | scanline | but with more inputs probably... |
| 18:29.15 | hardwire | scanline: I know an underwater submarine that uses that board. |
| 18:29.17 | scanline | but that's easy to fix |
| 18:30.15 | hardwire | http://www.ampltd.com/prod/mtv4k.html |
| 18:30.18 | darth_mall | bleh |
| 18:30.21 | darth_mall | I need to get focused |
| 18:30.34 | hardwire | m, |
| 18:30.36 | hardwire | nm |
| 18:30.40 | hardwire | darth_mall: go walk a dog |
| 18:30.45 | file[laptop] | getting business cards designed is tedious |
| 18:31.16 | ChipX86 | scanline: how goeth the interiew? |
| 18:32.16 | scanline | ChipX86: I think it went quite nicely. I wasn't really nervous, and I had some cool conversations with the people I was interviewing with |
| 18:32.54 | scanline | the brain teasers and such were kind of a toss-up, but I had fun with the "Explain, in as much detail as you can..." style questions |
| 18:33.15 | hardwire | who was the intervue with? |
| 18:33.30 | scanline | I should know middle of next week whether I got the job |
| 18:33.32 | scanline | hardwire: VMware |
| 18:33.37 | hardwire | fun |
| 18:33.41 | scanline | yep |
| 18:37.02 | hardwire | heh.. my laptop has been on battery for 15 hours .. according to the OS |
| 18:37.10 | hardwire | true.. it was just in suspend for most of that |
| 18:38.10 | darth_mall | hardwire: if I had a dog to walk |
| 18:38.15 | hardwire | go get one |
| 18:38.17 | hardwire | a little one |
| 18:38.18 | hardwire | that yips |
| 18:38.41 | scanline | If I had a dog... I'd walk him in the morning, I'd walk him in the evenin', all over this land... |
| 18:38.45 | scanline | </nimoy> |
| 18:38.52 | file[laptop] | oh cool there's a dual tuner board... nifty |
| 18:39.22 | hardwire | file[laptop]: one for each eye? |
| 18:39.51 | darth_mall | scanline: ^^ |
| 18:39.54 | hardwire | scanline: leonard nimoy? |
| 18:39.54 | file[laptop] | :p |
| 18:40.06 | file[laptop] | so you can record one channel, and watch another - at the same time! |
| 18:40.17 | hardwire | file[laptop]: yeh |
| 18:40.27 | file[laptop] | it's amazing! |
| 18:40.44 | hardwire | I want glad press'n' seal wrap |
| 18:40.47 | hardwire | really bad |
| 18:41.00 | hardwire | I shouldn't be watching commercials |
| 18:41.18 | hardwire | file[laptop]: you could always get two of them.. seperately :) |
| 18:41.42 | file[laptop] | this is true |
| 18:42.15 | hardwire | kinda funny |
| 18:43.14 | scanline | dude! |
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| 18:45.03 | scanline | wow, my camera is amazingly crappy |
| 18:45.35 | scanline | these look just fine at.. oh.. 640x480 or so |
| 18:45.50 | darth_mall | heh |
| 18:46.47 | hardwire | ever used ALE for decrappifying a set of still images? |
| 18:47.15 | hardwire | I use ALE on very high res images to try to get rid of some grain as well |
| 18:47.19 | scanline | hmm |
| 18:47.19 | hardwire | typically w/ landscape shots |
| 18:47.23 | scanline | I look really tired in this one... |
| 18:48.21 | hardwire | heh.. X should allow for interlacing vs line by line rendering |
| 18:48.31 | hardwire | that would make switching desktops kinda trippy |
| 18:49.20 | purple_cow | hrm |
| 18:49.26 | purple_cow | bhaskara is making bad noises |
| 18:49.34 | scanline | :( |
| 18:49.53 | scanline | purple_cow: I made coffee. that will cheer up bhaskara |
| 18:49.57 | hardwire | hah.. my laptop finally has a commercial on tv |
| 18:50.03 | purple_cow | i think it's a fan |
| 18:50.10 | scanline | coffee works on fans too |
| 18:50.16 | darth_mall | poor the coffee on the fan |
| 18:50.30 | darth_mall | or... soak the fan in the pot of coffee |
| 18:51.57 | scanline | hah. the java on yoshi is broken in a rather odd way |
| 18:52.14 | hardwire | now I want coffee |
| 18:52.20 | scanline | http://navi.cx/gallery/places |
| 18:52.23 | scanline | yay, my crappy pictures are online |
| 18:53.09 | purple_cow | hurray for the greasy camera |
| 18:53.15 | scanline | greasy and noisy! |
| 18:53.23 | scanline | and AA-munching |
| 18:53.37 | scanline | but at least now I have a CF dongle that doesn't suck |
| 18:54.27 | hardwire | because of crappy dongles |
| 18:54.41 | scanline | I have one of those, but my laptop's PCMCIA slots are reeealy finicky due to a crazy hack I put in the kernel to make cardbus work |
| 18:55.05 | hardwire | what kind of hack? |
| 18:55.13 | hardwire | err.. just for your laptop? |
| 18:55.19 | scanline | the BIOS wasn't assigning the right interrupt to cardbus devices, had to hardcode one in the kernel |
| 18:55.21 | scanline | right, just for my laptop |
| 18:55.43 | hardwire | a lot of PCI->PCMCIA cards are like that |
| 18:55.48 | hardwire | esp the ricohs |
| 18:55.52 | scanline | it happens to get my 802.11 card working fine, but non-cardbus cards don't work at all and hotplugging tends to crash the machine |
| 18:56.07 | hardwire | thats crappy. |
| 18:56.21 | scanline | it's not too bad, the 802.11 card is all I ever use in there |
| 18:56.31 | scanline | this USB-CF doodad is more convenient than PCMCIA ever was |
| 18:56.49 | hardwire | it has a little adjustable patch panel antenna on it |
| 18:56.56 | scanline | I have a really cute really tiny Netgear 802.11 card |
| 18:56.59 | hardwire | looks like I am uplinked to a sat |
| 18:57.05 | hardwire | the low profile one? |
| 18:57.08 | hardwire | those are nice |
| 18:57.08 | scanline | needs ndiswrapper, but it actually works better under linux than win2k |
| 18:57.33 | hardwire | because of the x-jack nature of it |
| 18:57.56 | scanline | this one's the same height and width and everything as a normal PCMCIA card, and just sticks out about 1cm |
| 18:58.00 | scanline | so I can just leave it in all the time |
| 18:58.14 | scanline | hah |
| 18:58.16 | hardwire | I think there is enough room to make a type 3 card for that |
| 18:58.33 | hardwire | err.. I think type 3 is the large one |
| 18:59.38 | hardwire | hah.. this golfer just threatened his ball |
| 19:01.37 | scanline | hahaha |
| 19:02.43 | darth_mall | hmmm? |
| 19:03.37 | hardwire | hmm |
| 19:03.39 | scanline | http://navi.cx/gallery/evan |
| 19:03.58 | darth_mall | hehehe |
| 19:04.19 | hardwire | awww |
| 19:04.23 | hardwire | he likes the beer |
| 19:04.25 | hardwire | oh yay |
| 19:04.38 | hardwire | going to the mooses tooth |
| 19:04.43 | hardwire | gotta love alaska |
| 19:04.47 | darth_mall | hardwire: that was a bottle of wine ;) |
| 19:04.58 | hardwire | wow |
| 19:05.01 | darth_mall | there was actually only about 2 sips left, which is why I didn't bother with a glass |
| 19:05.02 | hardwire | then that must mean your head is huge. |
| 19:05.03 | KeyserLaptop | darth_mall seemed to consider something on the label, before chugging the bottle of wine |
| 19:05.40 | darth_mall | scanline: those were in the trash? |
| 19:05.46 | hardwire | I wish I could ride my bike today |
| 19:05.53 | hardwire | its blizzarding again |
| 19:06.14 | KeyserLaptop | scanline: take another pic, that shows a maitre di handing darth_mall a cork to sniff.... |
| 19:06.19 | scanline | darth_mall: well, my trash on yoshi.. I was probably using nautilus to sort a bunch of pictures from purple_cow's camera and all the ones I wasn't immediately interested in ended up in there |
| 19:06.24 | KeyserLaptop | and then the following one shows darth_mall chugging the wine bottle |
| 19:06.32 | darth_mall | KeyserLaptop: lol |
| 19:06.35 | scanline | hehe |
| 19:07.37 | scanline | huh |
| 19:07.43 | scanline | purple_cow: where'd the fyre screenshot gallery go? |
| 19:07.57 | scanline | oh |
| 19:07.59 | scanline | there are multiple pages |
| 19:08.01 | scanline | that's silly |
| 19:08.55 | scanline | http://navi.cx/gallery/dinahs/IM001170 |
| 19:09.01 | scanline | I look way more tired there than I actually was... |
| 19:10.48 | purple_cow | time to drown out the vibrating-fan noise |
| 19:11.08 | scanline | purple_cow: does it need lube, or are the bearings shot? |
| 19:11.20 | purple_cow | scanline: dunno |
| 19:11.45 | scanline | next time you have it off, check whether it's hard to turn or if it's wobbly |
| 19:12.09 | scanline | usually when they're noisy like that the bearings are bad, but you might get lucky and a little WD-40 will keep it going for a while longer |
| 19:12.51 | scanline | if it's the CPU fan, lying your computer on its side often helps |
| 19:13.24 | purple_cow | just from an auditory investigation, it sounds like the case fan |
| 19:13.38 | purple_cow | really hoping it's not the psu fan |
| 19:14.16 | purple_cow | mmmmmmmmmmmm dcd |
| 19:14.56 | scanline | silly purple_cow and his not-taking-things-apart |
| 19:15.16 | scanline | purple_cow: the PSU fan isn't really much harder to replace than the others |
| 19:15.24 | scanline | just involves more screws, and a little soldering |
| 19:15.25 | file[laptop] | if you don't take them apart, how can you make them better? |
| 19:15.45 | purple_cow | scanline: maybe ;) |
| 19:15.59 | purple_cow | remember, this is a crazy psu |
| 19:16.04 | scanline | hell, if this modified ATX bench supply I have is really dead, you can have the fan from that |
| 19:16.10 | darth_mall | because purple_cow is completely crazy! |
| 19:16.27 | purple_cow | no |
| 19:16.31 | purple_cow | because dell are a bunch of bitches |
| 19:16.31 | darth_mall | oh, ok |
| 19:16.44 | scanline | purple_cow: I doubt they use a nonstandard fan size |
| 19:16.54 | scanline | and I've never seen a PSU that isn't held together with screws :) |
| 19:17.06 | scanline | well, a modern desktop computer PSU |
| 19:17.11 | scanline | the commodore 64 is always an exception |
| 19:17.21 | scanline | it's held together with blue epoxy |
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| 19:24.55 | scanline | http://www.myphysicslab.com/dbl_spring2d.html |
| 19:24.55 | scanline | hehe |
| 19:25.05 | scanline | this site has some cute java demos for chaotic pendulums and such |
| 19:25.48 | purple_cow | they're cooler IRL ;) |
| 19:26.30 | scanline | this is higher resolution than real life! |
| 19:28.22 | scanline | woo |
| 19:28.37 | scanline | spring system simulations are so easy to break :) |
| 19:29.01 | purple_cow | soooo, scanline |
| 19:29.12 | purple_cow | there's about 2 paragraphs of space left |
| 19:29.13 | scanline | y0 |
| 19:31.41 | scanline | ooh, wobbly spirograph |
| 19:32.02 | scanline | if only we had some frictionless springs and a frictionless marker we could build one of these |
| 19:32.14 | purple_cow | heh |
| 19:33.09 | purple_cow | so, how do you reckon we fill that space? |
| 19:33.24 | scanline | I should probably look at what you have so far... |
| 19:34.05 | purple_cow | might be a good first step |
| 19:37.09 | scanline | hehe, didn't use the super-double-special-high-res bifurcation diagram images? :) |
| 19:37.20 | scanline | hmm |
| 19:37.24 | scanline | that would be a good use of subfigures |
| 19:37.37 | scanline | (1a) for the original, (1b) for our algorithm |
| 19:39.07 | scanline | seems like a good introduction to our algorithm and how it's different from other implementations |
| 19:39.19 | scanline | there are a metric bucketful of implementation details we could discuss, but they probably don't want much of that |
| 19:40.18 | scanline | I think I'll add a bit to the section where you talk about interactivity |
| 19:40.50 | scanline | IMHO the coolest part of our algorithm is that, when using real-time graphics techniques, you can make the chaotic map almost part of the user's motor feedback loop |
| 19:41.10 | scanline | they can just "grab" the chaotic map and change it, moving it in directions that make it look better |
| 19:41.15 | scanline | sort of a human-assisted hill climbing optimizer |
| 19:48.03 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7531 10docs/papers/acmsrc/ (13 files in 3 dirs): Add a build system |
| 19:51.29 | scanline | yay |
| 19:54.04 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7532 10docs/papers/acmsrc/ (Makefile figures/logistic-combined.png src.tex): Break the logistic map example into two subfigures, mostly so that they can have separate captions. Annoyingly, it currently splits these onto separate pages. That should be fixable. |
| 19:58.03 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7533 10docs/papers/acmsrc/src.tex: correct the captions on the figures |
| 19:58.45 | scanline | ah yes, those are bifurcation diagrams aren't they ;) |
| 19:58.54 | scanline | 8M seems a little excessive |
| 19:58.58 | scanline | but I guess it gets the point across |
| 20:01.31 | purple_cow | it's extremely excessive |
| 20:01.45 | purple_cow | hmm, might want to say how we're also getting sub-pixel precision because of the histogram |
| 20:01.56 | purple_cow | (8x subpixel) |
| 20:02.15 | scanline | yeah. that should be quick to mention |
| 20:02.22 | scanline | gamma-correct oversampling is a pretty easy problem ;) |
| 20:04.14 | scanline | purple_cow: how would I cite a link to Apophysis? |
| 20:04.38 | scanline | for that matter, how would I cite a link to Fyre? :) |
| 20:07.36 | purple_cow | scanline: heh, i really don't know |
| 20:07.55 | scanline | since they're just links rather than papers, I might just make them footnotes |
| 20:08.02 | purple_cow | how are you citing apophysis? |
| 20:08.05 | purple_cow | footnotes sound good |
| 20:08.24 | scanline | well, after explaining the applicability of this to real-time interctive rendering, I wanted to go into how that affects the user interface |
| 20:08.49 | scanline | apophysis is a good example of a tool that has a histogram-based rendering engine, but keeps the "mutation" style UI common to other fractal software |
| 20:10.38 | purple_cow | ah, cool |
| 20:12.30 | purple_cow | yay |
| 20:12.30 | purple_cow | http://navi.cx/gallery/cello?page=1 |
| 20:13.06 | scanline | purple_cow: that cello should really go in Hardware ;) |
| 20:13.12 | purple_cow | pfft |
| 20:21.21 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7534 10docs/papers/acmsrc/src.tex: Ramble on about our UI superiority a bit |
| 20:24.45 | purple_cow | maybe we should use subsections in 4? |
| 20:24.53 | purple_cow | 4.1: real-time, 4.2: parallelism? |
| 20:25.01 | scanline | sure |
| 20:25.34 | scanline | hmm |
| 20:25.54 | scanline | you think it's worth mentioning the quality metric? it's neat, but really hard to explain |
| 20:26.50 | purple_cow | probably not, we're not even mentioning how we do tone mapping |
| 20:26.56 | scanline | true |
| 20:29.56 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7535 10docs/papers/acmsrc/src.tex: Talk about clustering scalability a bit |
| 20:33.33 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7536 10docs/papers/acmsrc/src.tex: Split and reconfoobilate a bit |
| 20:34.14 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7537 10docs/papers/acmsrc/src.tex: rewrite the background stuff a bit to make it clearer |
| 20:34.33 | purple_cow | oh no! we've spilled over to 6 pages |
| 20:34.41 | scanline | is there a limit? |
| 20:34.45 | purple_cow | 5 pages |
| 20:34.48 | scanline | hrmph |
| 20:34.52 | scanline | well, our font is awfully big :P |
| 20:34.56 | scanline | could use the fullpage package too |
| 20:35.21 | purple_cow | "he text should be in a standard 12 pt font." |
| 20:35.25 | scanline | aw |
| 20:35.31 | purple_cow | fullpage sounds good to me :) |
| 20:35.34 | scanline | k |
| 20:35.40 | purple_cow | i'm already cheating by using 11pt ;) |
| 20:35.57 | scanline | yay, 5 pages |
| 20:36.10 | scanline | oh, and just barely 5 pages |
| 20:36.34 | scanline | that's better |
| 20:36.56 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7538 10docs/papers/acmsrc/src.tex: Less fontwise cheating, less margins. Back to 5 pages |
| 20:37.18 | scanline | and yay, now the figures are on the same page |
| 20:37.24 | purple_cow | :) |
| 20:37.39 | purple_cow | this paper is turning out a lot less stupid sounding than i thought it would |
| 20:37.42 | scanline | yeah |
| 20:37.54 | scanline | I'm kinda curious what those figures look like on paper |
| 20:38.14 | purple_cow | i was worried we were going to look like assholes because of electric sheep |
| 20:38.26 | scanline | yeah |
| 20:38.40 | scanline | but after actaully playing with apophysis and such, it looks much cooler than I thought |
| 20:38.43 | scanline | their UI really sucks :) |
| 20:40.21 | CIA-10 | zsnes: 03pagefault * 10zsnes/src/video/newgfx16.asm: Some more windowing logic updates. |
| 20:43.19 | scanline | it's funny... with an 8M iters/column image, I'm sure lots of people will be surprised that it makes a great real-time algorithm |
| 20:43.33 | scanline | but AFAIK the noise follows a 1/sqrt(N) rule with the number of iterations |
| 20:43.49 | scanline | so you can get an okayish image real fast, but a high quality image takes an insane number of FLOPs |
| 20:43.53 | TD | w00t |
| 20:43.56 | TD | autopackage is on slashdot |
| 20:44.04 | TD | and the primary site was crushed within 12 seconds |
| 20:44.08 | scanline | oh no |
| 20:44.26 | TD | navi should be OK |
| 20:44.29 | TD | only the package list is there |
| 20:44.31 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7539 10docs/papers/acmsrc/src.tex: add a word |
| 20:44.38 | scanline | yeah, I don't see anything unusual on navi so far |
| 20:44.47 | scanline | just the usual random svn and search engine activity |
| 20:45.27 | TD | yeah, don't worry, i wouldn't overload navi (without your permission ;) |
| 20:45.28 | scanline | purple_cow: [2] in the bibliography is quite a severe underfull hbox due to that URL :( |
| 20:45.33 | purple_cow | uhhuh :( |
| 20:45.49 | scanline | maybe we should use the URL package for those? |
| 20:45.59 | purple_cow | what's that package do? |
| 20:46.09 | scanline | it handles all the fiddly punctuations correctly, uses a fixed-width font, and hyperlinks them in PDFs |
| 20:46.33 | purple_cow | sure |
| 20:46.37 | scanline | k. I'll put that in |
| 20:47.14 | scanline | hmm.. maybe it wasn't there that I used it |
| 20:48.19 | scanline | aha, it was in the DINO microcontroller manual |
| 20:48.30 | scanline | blah, I've written too much latex stuff over the years ;) |
| 20:48.39 | purple_cow | heh |
| 20:50.13 | scanline | ooh neat |
| 20:50.16 | scanline | that fixed the underfull hbox |
| 20:51.19 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7540 10docs/papers/acmsrc/src.tex: Use the 'url' package, which makes URLs format a little nicer and has the spiffy side effect of fixing some ugly underfull hbox madness in the bibliography |
| 20:54.33 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7541 10docs/papers/acmsrc/src.tex: add a note about sub-pixel precision. i'm not happy with the way this is worded, but i can't think of anything better at the moment |
| 20:56.53 | kergoth | i wish this smoke alarm would stop beeping. |
| 20:57.40 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7542 10docs/papers/acmsrc/src.tex: Maybe this is a little better? |
| 20:57.53 | scanline | kergoth: buy a battery :P |
| 20:58.00 | kergoth | bah, you and your "logic" |
| 20:58.49 | purple_cow | scanline: sounds good |
| 20:58.53 | scanline | yay |
| 20:59.04 | scanline | it compiles! time to submit it! |
| 20:59.09 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 21:00.02 | scanline | might also make sense to enlarge the figures as much as we can without overflowing onto 6 pages |
| 21:00.08 | scanline | they're a little small now |
| 21:01.32 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7543 10docs/papers/acmsrc/src.tex: Make the figures nice and huge so the extra detail is easy to see. But oh no, they're on different pages now! |
| 21:02.50 | scanline | is there a reason for the all-black column at the right edge? |
| 21:03.32 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7544 10docs/papers/acmsrc/src.tex: make the figures a little smaller, and move them up by a paragraph, so they're on the same page |
| 21:03.38 | purple_cow | scanline: no. probably should gimp that out |
| 21:03.51 | scanline | k |
| 21:04.15 | scanline | hrm |
| 21:04.17 | scanline | it isn't in the png |
| 21:04.27 | scanline | bug in pdflatex maybe |
| 21:06.21 | scanline | hehe |
| 21:06.40 | scanline | hmm |
| 21:08.03 | scanline | ooh, the printer switched from it's cartridge-almost-dead blink to its cartridge-dead blink |
| 21:08.09 | scanline | wonder if it still works |
| 21:09.09 | scanline | pff |
| 21:09.13 | scanline | now it isn't even trying to print |
| 21:09.17 | scanline | silly ink-wasting firmware |
| 21:09.49 | scanline | I can hear the ink sloshing around in there still |
| 21:09.53 | scanline | ~fishstab Epson |
| 21:11.55 | scanline | oh my god |
| 21:11.57 | scanline | what a ripoff |
| 21:12.03 | scanline | this new cartridge isn't even as big as the first one |
| 21:12.16 | scanline | apparently that was the super-capacity sort, and compusa only had the regular kind |
| 21:12.17 | scanline | #$#@%#@^ |
| 21:12.19 | purple_cow | heh |
| 21:12.45 | scanline | I hate printers |
| 21:15.22 | hardwire | I wonder how long until I turn this off |
| 21:15.57 | scanline | oho neat |
| 21:16.10 | scanline | $7 for what compusa probably charges $80 for :P |
| 21:16.55 | scanline | yay for non-epson cartridges |
| 21:17.11 | hardwire | we have a nice epson printer |
| 21:17.13 | scanline | $3.65 each |
| 21:17.14 | scanline | hmmmmm |
| 21:17.15 | hardwire | and the yellow runs out too often |
| 21:17.46 | hardwire | they are expensive |
| 21:17.51 | hardwire | but I am happy they individualized them all |
| 21:17.59 | scanline | yes |
| 21:18.14 | hardwire | got a link for the store you are talking about? |
| 21:18.19 | scanline | http://techbudget.com/product_info.php?ref=6&products_id=1787 |
| 21:18.22 | scanline | just found that on froogle |
| 21:18.41 | scanline | just put your cartridge's model number in froogle and it will find tons of cheap knockoffs |
| 21:18.42 | purple_cow | ooh, neat. http://gnome-power.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:19.39 | hardwire | scanline: I have to wonder how different the ink is for photo quality.. I think I might be stuck buying epson only for that. |
| 21:19.57 | scanline | I've used super-cheap ink before and never noticed any difference |
| 21:20.15 | hardwire | Its not like i will be out any money using them |
| 21:20.22 | scanline | I mean.. it's ink, how expensive should it be? epson is just recovering the money they lose selling printers so cheap |
| 21:21.04 | scanline | purple_cow: they need to make that AC plug icon internationalizable ;) |
| 21:22.38 | purple_cow | heh |
| 21:23.08 | scanline | mmm, cheap |
| 21:23.54 | hardwire | purple_cow: is HAL and things like gnome-power going to replace acpid? |
| 21:24.15 | scanline | I can get one each of CMY and two K cartridges for $18 :) |
| 21:25.40 | purple_cow | hardwire: *shrug* |
| 21:27.23 | scanline | er.. |
| 21:27.26 | scanline | Boulder, AL? |
| 21:28.13 | scanline | me too |
| 21:28.19 | scanline | guhw |
| 21:28.26 | scanline | what part of CO does it think is Alabama? |
| 21:29.11 | scanline | I guess it works if I put in my address about 4 times |
| 21:33.21 | purple_cow | hmm, cheap |
| 21:33.22 | purple_cow | http://www.techonweb.com/products/productdetail.aspx?id=A34701&src=FG |
| 21:33.55 | scanline | they can't fit much of a battery in such a tiny case, can they? |
| 21:34.17 | purple_cow | 16 minutes @ 500VA isn't bad |
| 21:34.19 | scanline | my giant one wasn't much more expensive than that.. but if you must have rack-mount... |
| 21:34.43 | purple_cow | what is yours? |
| 21:34.47 | scanline | hmm |
| 21:35.18 | file[laptop] | yay rackmount |
| 21:37.12 | scanline | purple_cow: it's a Back-UPS Pro 1100.. but I'm having a hard time finding specs. I'm not sure they still make these |
| 21:37.51 | scanline | ah, data sheet |
| 21:38.51 | scanline | well, something says it can do its maximum load, 670W, for 9 minutes |
| 21:39.11 | scanline | and apparently they're equating 670W with 1100VA |
| 21:39.12 | scanline | :) |
| 21:39.47 | scanline | only 42.5 pounds! |
| 21:41.28 | scanline | hmm |
| 21:41.40 | scanline | purple_cow: back-ups pro 1100 on ebay for $125 |
| 21:41.52 | scanline | only $40 shipping! |
| 21:43.40 | purple_cow | heh |
| 21:43.42 | purple_cow | new batteries? |
| 21:43.47 | scanline | brand new unit |
| 21:44.02 | scanline | IIRC I got mine new for about $220 |
| 21:44.21 | purple_cow | not bad |
| 21:47.39 | scanline | ah |
| 21:47.50 | scanline | no search results for "wasabi" on the freevo wiki |
| 21:47.54 | scanline | how sad |
| 21:47.58 | scanline | tragic, even |
| 21:52.27 | kergoth | i have ubermovie access. |
| 21:52.31 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:54.35 | pagefault | mmm coffee |
| 21:58.17 | purple_cow | well, i have to say that that's one of the more innovative approaches i've seen to making a grilled cheese sammich |
| 21:58.23 | scanline | kergoth: that's... great, I guess |
| 21:58.55 | scanline | hmm |
| 21:59.00 | scanline | I'm pretty sure I didn't use enough cheese |
| 21:59.07 | file[laptop] | my business card is done, and it has a picture of Tux and a phone on it! |
| 21:59.14 | purple_cow | just wait until you hit the big clump of cheese on the other side |
| 21:59.17 | scanline | ah well. at least I get slightly cheesy toast |
| 21:59.27 | purple_cow | file[laptop]: why the fuck would you put that stupid penguin on your business card? |
| 21:59.30 | scanline | purple_cow: even the total amount wasn't really as much as a cheese sandwich should have |
| 22:00.28 | purple_cow | step 1: cut cheese with fork |
| 22:00.33 | purple_cow | step 2: assemble sandwich |
| 22:00.41 | purple_cow | step 3: dump cheese out of sandwich into pan |
| 22:00.47 | purple_cow | step 4: melt cheese in pan |
| 22:00.48 | scanline | pff |
| 22:00.53 | purple_cow | step 5: spread melted cheese on bread |
| 22:00.54 | scanline | those are all valid steps in making a sammich |
| 22:07.29 | CIA-10 | zsnes: 03pagefault * 10zsnes/src/video/newgfx16.asm: Window logic update, Gradius now working great |
| 22:09.20 | pagefault | also KI shadows in TJ Combo's stage now working |
| 22:09.20 | pagefault | :) |
| 22:11.15 | kergoth | 4.7 terabytes on ubermovie |
| 22:13.23 | CIA-10 | zsnes: 03pagefault * 10zsnes/src/video/newgfx16.asm: Updated a label name so people can better understand what this code is doing |
| 22:19.47 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 22:22.23 | kergoth | hmm.. i should get food |
| 22:33.03 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7545 10pybzengine/BZEngine/UI/Drawable/VRML/Parser.py: Avoid a TypeError in the VRML parser. Not sure why this is happening, could be a Python 2.4 bug |
| 22:34.44 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7546 10evo/publish-calendar/ (publish-calendar.c publish-location.h): comment out html & auto publish stuff for now. both of those can be added later without any structural changes |
| 22:37.18 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7547 10evo/publish-calendar/ (4 files): frobnicate some FIXMEs, kill some dead code |
| 22:40.11 | *** join/#tacobeam sbahra (~samy@212.76.83.182) |
| 22:41.27 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03micahjd * 10pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable/VRML/Parser.py: Work around what looks like a Python 2.4 quirk that causes a TypeError |
| 22:42.40 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7548 10evo/publish-calendar/publish-location.c: migrate password location correctly |
| 22:46.06 | pagefault | what a busy dev day |
| 22:55.19 | scanline | heh |
| 22:55.34 | scanline | oooh |
| 22:55.45 | scanline | with a working pybzengine I can run that little flibble glgraph demo |
| 22:57.40 | purple_cow | heh |
| 23:01.27 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03micah * r7549 10flibble/glgraph.py: Tweak the simulated annealing parameters |
| 23:02.08 | purple_cow | scanline: ready to write Flibble#? :) |
| 23:02.24 | scanline | I'd love to, but I should really get back to work :( |
| 23:03.00 | scanline | oh, cool |
| 23:03.09 | scanline | I forgot I wrote part of this flibble test in Pyrex |
| 23:07.07 | JeffM2501 | what is flibble? |
| 23:07.38 | scanline | a force-directed graph layout engine.. something that's been almost started for a long time now |
| 23:08.02 | scanline | it has a cool logo, and a couple of tiny testbed programs |
| 23:08.06 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 23:08.22 | JeffM2501 | well you have to start with a cool logo |
| 23:08.24 | JeffM2501 | it's paramount |
| 23:08.33 | scanline | yes |
| 23:08.37 | scanline | http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/navi-misc/flibble/.metadata/photo |
| 23:09.29 | JeffM2501 | that is prety cool |
| 23:09.44 | scanline | http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/navi-misc/flibble/.message/349584 |
| 23:09.47 | scanline | hehe, good commit message |
| 23:11.06 | scanline | it has a cute little toy that lets you manipulate small graphs in real-time with opengl, and there's an off-line solver that I was running on the CIA dataset for a while |
| 23:11.54 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/graph-test-1.png |
| 23:11.57 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/graph-test-2.png |
| 23:12.05 | scanline | those were generated by flibble |
| 23:12.23 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 23:12.30 | scanline | that first one is just a toy, the second one is based on CIA data |
| 23:13.00 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/glgraph.jpeg |
| 23:13.06 | scanline | then that's the real-time stuff |
| 23:13.36 | JeffM2501 | mmmm moose |
| 23:13.44 | purple_cow | silly scanline and his "words" |
| 23:13.49 | scanline | hah |
| 23:13.51 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/snakey-graph.png |
| 23:13.56 | scanline | ^ buggy |
| 23:14.10 | JeffM2501 | that could posibly be art |
| 23:14.17 | JeffM2501 | you shuld send it to the getty |
| 23:14.19 | scanline | art, in bug form |
| 23:15.35 | scanline | I bet optical shovels are even cooler than optical pumps |
| 23:16.03 | hardwire | casablanca is alright. |
| 23:17.28 | scanline | hmm |
| 23:17.32 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/gc-modelling-handles.png |
| 23:17.34 | scanline | that was fun |
| 23:17.56 | hardwire | hmm |
| 23:17.59 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/gc-controller-sim-idreq.png |
| 23:18.00 | hardwire | perty |
| 23:18.02 | scanline | so was that :) |
| 23:18.29 | scanline | but I think that was the old 8-bit version |
| 23:18.34 | scanline | the 1-bit version is way more efficient |
| 23:18.38 | hardwire | is that the serial line on the gamecube controller? |
| 23:18.43 | scanline | yes |
| 23:18.49 | scanline | that's a simulation of my gamecube emulator core |
| 23:18.53 | scanline | er, gc controller emulator |
| 23:18.58 | hardwire | pic? |
| 23:19.01 | scanline | FPGA |
| 23:19.08 | hardwire | sexy |
| 23:19.09 | scanline | yep |
| 23:20.10 | hardwire | using solar vs a generator |
| 23:20.28 | hardwire | gonna cost about the same. |
| 23:20.40 | hardwire | and a 360ah 12v battery |
| 23:20.59 | scanline | hehe |
| 23:21.01 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/kirby-computer.png |
| 23:21.03 | scanline | forgot about that one |
| 23:21.17 | hardwire | its actually two 6 volt batteries.. apparently 6volt batteries are more robust. |
| 23:22.23 | scanline | hmm |
| 23:22.28 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/lsb-encoding-test.png |
| 23:22.36 | scanline | that's another project I really need to finish :( |
| 23:23.07 | scanline | I know I had cooler screenshots of it than that... |
| 23:32.06 | hardwire | what the heck is it? |
| 23:32.42 | hardwire | kinda greek to me |
| 23:32.56 | scanline | hardwire: the two images on the right look basically the same, but the screenshot on the left shows that there's a hidden pattern encoded in the lower one |
| 23:33.12 | scanline | it was the very first step in the encoding I was toying with for HDR displays |
| 23:33.43 | hardwire | ah |
| 23:34.04 | hardwire | hmm |
| 23:36.25 | *** join/#tacobeam cwisty (~default@65-103-110-220.dnvr.qwest.net) |
| 23:36.36 | scanline | hardwire: http://navi.cx/~micah/hdr-encoding-screenshot.png |
| 23:36.49 | scanline | that screenshot shows an encoder running, written in the OpenGL shading language |
| 23:37.08 | scanline | that spiky ball has an extra 16-bit channel of information encoded in the least significant bits of each 4x4 block of pixels |
| 23:37.26 | scanline | it has parity and an alignment code that lets the decoder distinguish between real encoded data and normal images on the screen |
| 23:37.37 | scanline | the decoder will give you something like this |
| 23:37.38 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/hdr-encoding-decoded.png |
| 23:37.58 | scanline | the red blocks are where the checksum and alignment signals couldn't be located |
| 23:38.07 | scanline | the other blocks' brightnesses indicate the encoded data |
| 23:38.22 | scanline | that image only has black and white boxes, due to some bugs in the encoder |
| 23:38.26 | scanline | it's supposed to be a gradient |
| 23:39.05 | scanline | the idea is that the decoder would be implemented in an FPGA, and then you could have an application anywhere on the screen render high dynamic range content that would be automatically detected and converted into the proper format by your monitor's hardware |
| 23:39.31 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7550 10evo/publish-calendar/publish-calendar.glade: actually *save* the bits where i temporarily got rid of the html/auto options |
| 23:39.47 | scanline | hah, you can see a single block of false positives at the bottom of the screen |
| 23:39.51 | scanline | that's one problem with this algorithm |
| 23:40.16 | scanline | I was doing some tweaking on the checksums to make it less likely, but there's always a chance of getting a false positive unless you can filter them out in the windowing system somehow |
| 23:40.24 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7551 10evo/publish-calendar/publish-calendar.c: keep a timestamp of the last-published time. this will let us set our timeouts correctly instead of expecting people to keep their evolution running for months at a time |
| 23:40.24 | scanline | and that would be prohibitively silly |
| 23:41.13 | cwisty | hi MIcah |
| 23:42.15 | gonkulator | silly applications eating memory while I am away |
| 23:44.56 | gonkulator | howdy kergoth |
| 23:44.58 | gonkulator | er, KeyserLaptop |
| 23:45.03 | KeyserLaptop | hehe |
| 23:45.15 | KeyserLaptop | i felt slighted for a second there |
| 23:45.51 | gonkulator | heh, we can't have that |
| 23:48.41 | gonkulator | yay for it not being lent anymore |
| 23:50.06 | file[laptop] | gonkulator: how goes your days? |
| 23:50.11 | gonkulator | pretty good |
| 23:50.45 | file[laptop] | a good laptop |
| 23:50.46 | scanline | hmm |
| 23:50.52 | KeyserLaptop | what size range? |
| 23:50.53 | scanline | gonkulator: who sends you a paycheck these days? |
| 23:51.05 | gonkulator | scanline: the Diocese of Colorado Springs |
| 23:51.09 | scanline | ah |
| 23:51.15 | file[laptop] | the what now? |
| 23:51.27 | gonkulator | file[laptop]: the diocese I am studying to be a priest for |
| 23:51.33 | file[laptop] | ah |
| 23:51.43 | file[laptop] | so why are you getting a laptop? |
| 23:51.57 | gonkulator | because I don't have one anymore |
| 23:52.04 | scanline | gonkulator: I should find out soon whether I'll be moving to Palo Alto |
| 23:52.05 | KeyserLaptop | Pentium-M dothan core is probably the way to go |
| 23:52.10 | gonkulator | wow |
| 23:52.22 | KeyserLaptop | unless you wait a couple weeks (months?) to see how Turions are |
| 23:52.51 | gonkulator | yeah, I was planning on waiting a few months |
| 23:53.01 | gonkulator | like early July |
| 23:53.05 | KeyserLaptop | what size are you gonna get? |
| 23:54.16 | KeyserLaptop | that's good |
| 23:54.27 | gonkulator | but that would get me flamed like none other here |
| 23:54.28 | KeyserLaptop | i hate when people say they want a 17" 12lb laptop |
| 23:54.43 | purple_cow | bad gonkulator! |
| 23:54.48 | gonkulator | see, flamed! |
| 23:54.49 | file[laptop] | I want a G5 Powerbook that will set me on fire if it touches me |
| 23:55.27 | gonkulator | the 800 mHz iBook G4 has done great, incredibly reliable |
| 23:55.37 | scanline | ooh.. I forgot I had multiple 3D models for this |
| 23:55.38 | purple_cow | gonkulator: except for the few that i've seen |
| 23:55.50 | purple_cow | we bought one for the DLC, and it's gone back to apple twice so far |
| 23:56.37 | scanline | ooh |
| 23:56.39 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.40 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.40 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.40 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.40 | gonkulator | *anyway* thats why I brought my quandry here |
| 23:56.44 | scanline | I forgot how much fun this code was |
| 23:57.17 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.18 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.23 | KeyserLaptop | gonkulator: is a built-in optical drive a requirement? |
| 23:57.35 | gonkulator | KeyserLaptop: it would be nice |
| 23:57.58 | gonkulator | but its not necessary |
| 23:58.49 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7552 10evo/publish-calendar/publish-calendar.c: use timeouts based on the last publish time when we start up |
