| 00:00.33 | purple_cow | gonkulator: what bugs me is that you've had more problems than anyone else i know, yet you still keep going back for more |
| 00:01.00 | KeyserLaptop | lol |
| 00:01.19 | scanline | good |
| 00:01.25 | scanline | I know what to get you for christmas then |
| 00:01.28 | purple_cow | hehehe |
| 00:02.53 | KeyserLaptop | nobody would notice under your cassock |
| 00:03.00 | scanline | well, I imagine it would turn into a disco orgy pretty fast |
| 00:03.13 | purple_cow | disco orgy? |
| 00:03.20 | scanline | yep |
| 00:03.25 | scanline | I mean, what else? |
| 00:03.42 | scanline | disco is all about tight pants, isn't it? |
| 00:04.56 | purple_cow | i suppose |
| 00:04.57 | cwisty | hahaha |
| 00:05.03 | purple_cow | mmm, this show has such great music |
| 00:05.20 | scanline | if we really wanted gonkulator to have fun opening his presents at the seminary, we could get him condoms |
| 00:06.16 | cwisty | you could do better than that! |
| 00:06.23 | KeyserLaptop | a blow up sheep! |
| 00:06.28 | scanline | hahaha |
| 00:06.38 | cwisty | now you're talkin |
| 00:06.39 | KeyserLaptop | or maybe a blow up nun |
| 00:06.42 | KeyserLaptop | :p |
| 00:07.12 | KeyserLaptop | blow-up cookies! |
| 00:07.24 | file[laptop] | I've already sent muffins to someone before |
| 00:07.26 | scanline | laced with nothing but a few spoonfuls of LSD |
| 00:07.43 | gonkulator | if it wasn't for the fact that men made it through the seminary system and couldn't control themselves once ordained, I would be able to laugh at this stuff... |
| 00:07.57 | scanline | gonkulator: you're too up-tight |
| 00:08.17 | gonkulator | yeah, this stuff means something to me, its why I am there |
| 00:08.24 | scanline | well |
| 00:08.56 | scanline | I guess it's hard not to expect some people to go a little berzerk when faced with abstinance |
| 00:09.11 | scanline | so you might as well find something to laugh at |
| 00:09.19 | scanline | or you'll be miserable and such |
| 00:09.35 | scanline | nobody likes a grumpy priest! |
| 00:09.38 | cwisty | Happy Easter! |
| 00:09.46 | gonkulator | Happy Easter cwisty |
| 00:09.48 | scanline | when's Easter? |
| 00:09.50 | gonkulator | today |
| 00:09.53 | scanline | oh |
| 00:09.53 | cwisty | holiest day of the year man |
| 00:09.55 | scanline | Happy Easter! |
| 00:10.12 | scanline | hmm, now I want chocolate :) |
| 00:10.46 | scanline | yay, boiled |
| 00:11.55 | scanline | gonkulator: so aside from being grumpy, how've you been? ;) |
| 00:12.11 | KeyserLaptop | rofl |
| 00:12.16 | scanline | good |
| 00:13.44 | gonkulator | when is your guys' graduations anyway? |
| 00:13.48 | scanline | which everyone? |
| 00:13.50 | cwisty | May 5&6 |
| 00:13.56 | gonkulator | oh! |
| 00:14.01 | gonkulator | if its May 5, I am there |
| 00:14.01 | scanline | these ceremonies are silly |
| 00:14.11 | gonkulator | at least, if scanline is walking |
| 00:14.24 | cwisty | Engineering Recognition is 7:30 ish on May 5 |
| 00:14.30 | purple_cow | scanline: you'd really miss the opportunity to stand in the stadium with 6000 of your closest friends? |
| 00:14.33 | cwisty | and the other one is May 6 in the morning sometimes |
| 00:14.37 | scanline | purple_cow: hehe |
| 00:14.38 | cwisty | sometime |
| 00:14.53 | cwisty | na scanline go to the May 5 one |
| 00:15.14 | cwisty | the May 6 one whatever but the May 5 one will be FUN FUN! |
| 00:15.19 | scanline | :) |
| 00:15.20 | scanline | maybe... |
| 00:15.23 | cwisty | come sit with me, we'll make fun of the speakers . . . |
| 00:15.29 | scanline | oh, that's always fun |
| 00:16.40 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7553 10evo/publish-calendar/publish-calendar.c: hurray, the timeout offset stuff works |
| 00:16.55 | cwisty | how goes your paper scanline? |
| 00:17.02 | scanline | bleh |
| 00:17.28 | scanline | the ACM SRC paper looks great.. purple_cow wrote most of it, then I added stuff |
| 00:17.40 | scanline | still kinda trudging through the standards paper for the symposium |
| 00:18.11 | scanline | this stuff isn't nearly as interesting as the SRC paper |
| 00:18.34 | cwisty | yeah |
| 00:18.39 | cwisty | I can't get motivated |
| 00:18.48 | KeyserLaptop | (which isn't a double entendre, as dirty as it may sound) |
| 00:18.49 | KeyserLaptop | :D |
| 00:19.01 | scanline | mmmm |
| 00:21.50 | gonkulator | wow, Dan might show up here |
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| 00:23.02 | ThoughtsInCh | hola |
| 00:23.05 | scanline | oh no |
| 00:23.06 | scanline | it's dan? |
| 00:23.21 | ThoughtsInCh | yes. hi micah! |
| 00:23.26 | scanline | hiya! long time no see |
| 00:23.45 | ThoughtsInCh | heh, yeah. I don't get on irc very much |
| 00:23.49 | scanline | how've you been? are you graduating any time soon? got any lan parties planned? :) |
| 00:24.11 | ThoughtsInCh | this is my last semester, and then I graduate |
| 00:24.22 | scanline | cool. I should be graduating in May too |
| 00:24.32 | scanline | got a job yet? |
| 00:24.38 | gonkulator | ThoughtsInCh: are you going to attend your graduation? |
| 00:24.41 | gonkulator | if so, when is it? |
| 00:24.41 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7554 10evo/calendar/gui/ (5 files): get rid of a bunch of code from the old publishing stuff |
| 00:24.42 | ThoughtsInCh | no |
| 00:24.44 | ThoughtsInCh | and no |
| 00:24.50 | scanline | hehe |
| 00:25.03 | scanline | what have you been looking at doing? |
| 00:25.16 | ThoughtsInCh | 3 hours of sitting around listening to someone say "you did it!" doesn't appeal to me |
| 00:25.26 | scanline | mmmmyep |
| 00:25.38 | cwisty | you haven't been in school for 7 years |
| 00:25.39 | scanline | unless you have someone to sit next to and make fun of the speakers with, I suppose |
| 00:25.40 | ThoughtsInCh | my looking hasn't been going very well either |
| 00:25.53 | cwisty | damnit I"m making those fuckers take 2 seconds to say my name! |
| 00:26.10 | gonkulator | 7 years, wow |
| 00:26.30 | scanline | cwisty: that's one way to look at it :) |
| 00:26.53 | cwisty | yeah |
| 00:26.56 | gonkulator | there were only about a dozen people graduating with philosophy degrees when I graduated, and I knew them all, which made it easy |
| 00:27.03 | cwisty | they have to read all my degrees and say my long ass name |
| 00:27.08 | cwisty | they owe me that much |
| 00:27.24 | cwisty | and I have a lot of friends graduating too |
| 00:27.30 | cwisty | which would be fun fun to sit with |
| 00:27.41 | cwisty | Nels, Gaurav, Micah, Ryan etc. |
| 00:27.52 | ThoughtsInCh | you could just have a party or something besides going to graduation |
| 00:28.00 | cwisty | nah |
| 00:28.06 | scanline | mm, party |
| 00:28.19 | cwisty | I know people getting awards at graduation |
| 00:28.30 | cwisty | so I'm going anyway |
| 00:28.38 | cwisty | you all can do what you like |
| 00:29.32 | gonkulator | my next graduation, you better believe that I am gonna be there :) |
| 00:30.47 | scanline | we should definitely get together and do something fun this week. I'm tired of papers, and I'm tired of people not being around |
| 00:31.07 | scanline | not that it hasn't been great having purple_cow around and all |
| 00:31.23 | scanline | but it still felt awfully isolated here this week |
| 00:32.18 | scanline | hmmm |
| 00:32.29 | scanline | cwisty: you missed curry last time. would you have time this week for that? |
| 00:32.40 | cwisty | possibly |
| 00:33.14 | hardwire | The king of queens show is great |
| 00:33.55 | gonkulator | theres hardwire |
| 00:34.11 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 00:34.47 | gonkulator | oop, time to run |
| 00:34.48 | gonkulator | bbiab |
| 00:34.50 | cwisty | scanline I could do Tuesday probably |
| 00:35.08 | scanline | yay, tuesday |
| 00:36.48 | hardwire | gonkulator: there is me. |
| 00:38.18 | purple_cow | yay! a picogui user! |
| 00:38.28 | scanline | =( |
| 00:38.52 | hardwire | heh |
| 00:39.00 | hardwire | our friends dog is twice as small as our smallest cat |
| 00:39.12 | hardwire | it would make my kitty so happy to know it could beat up on a dog |
| 00:42.52 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7555 10evo/publish-calendar/publish-location.c: don't copy last pub time, since it's silly |
| 00:47.49 | scanline | bleh.. meetings tomorrow |
| 00:51.33 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7556 10docs/papers/acmsrc/src.tex: spelling & grammar |
| 00:53.50 | purple_cow | hmm, tetex 3.0 |
| 00:55.10 | purple_cow | hmm, looks like not much |
| 01:06.59 | purple_cow | ooh, scanline's listening to a good song |
| 01:07.25 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7557 10evo/publish-calendar/publish-calendar.c: well, the menu item isn't being merged in properly, but might as well implement its handler |
| 01:13.16 | cwisty | OK time for Easter Dinner with the fam |
| 01:13.20 | cwisty | peace out all |
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| 01:15.39 | scanline | bleh |
| 01:15.39 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 01:15.43 | scanline | bleh for papers |
| 01:15.55 | scanline | especially papers I have no interest in writing, because they aren't about anything interesting |
| 01:16.14 | purple_cow | effectively making it so i'm the only one who can claim the bounty >:) |
| 01:16.50 | pagefault | hmm |
| 01:16.54 | pagefault | gedit needs major optimisations |
| 01:19.21 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 01:19.37 | purple_cow | darth_mall has an interesting definition of "coming back to boulder" |
| 01:26.29 | merlin262 | hey ChipX86, TD: I see you've been busy bees... |
| 01:27.31 | CIA-10 | spacegrant: 03dowty * r1116 10doc-misc/symposium/standards_paper.tex: Add more in the case study section |
| 01:28.29 | CIA-10 | spacegrant: 03dowty * r1117 10doc-misc/symposium/pymck_paper.tex: Confusion surrounding the old software was certainly a problem, but the bigger problem was that it wasn't even flexible enough to handle changing hardware and missions in a useful way |
| 01:37.01 | CIA-10 | spacegrant: 03dowty * r1118 10doc-misc/symposium/pymck_paper.tex: Our EDC module really isn't that great. Talk a little about its limitations, and what we'd do instead if we were made of money |
| 01:37.41 | kergoth | booooooored |
| 01:38.04 | scanline | slimspace: what do you really mean by "fully-autonomous operations"? all I can tell really is that we're saying DINO isn't a remote-control car, it's capable of doing calculations onboard :) |
| 01:38.48 | scanline | not saying that there's anyhting we can do about it, but it'd be nice if we could clarify that |
| 01:39.38 | scanline | I mean, I guess I'm not really going to be impressed by a definition of "autonomous" that is actually just exception handling |
| 01:40.32 | scanline | bleh |
| 01:40.39 | scanline | maybe I'm just having a hard time getting excited about these topics |
| 01:40.57 | scanline | I don't feel that we've really done anything yet that's worth writing a paper on |
| 01:42.33 | scanline | hmm |
| 01:42.46 | scanline | again, I don't know what to do about this, but I hate all these mentions of "general-purpose" |
| 01:43.23 | scanline | sure it's turing-complete and all that, but that's effectively a zero-information statement about what it's actaully good at doing |
| 01:44.47 | scanline | hah |
| 01:46.22 | slimspace | scanline: you said it yourself, we're not trying to impress |
| 01:46.34 | scanline | eh, that's exactly what I'm talking about |
| 01:46.48 | scanline | there are a lot of gee-whiz terms going around that don't actually say much |
| 01:46.49 | slimspace | that being said, we need to make it clear that the goal is to have the satellite do everything itself, without us having to babysit it |
| 01:46.59 | scanline | I'm not saying it's your fault or that I know how to fix it, I'm just annoyed in general at this |
| 01:47.05 | slimspace | I know |
| 01:47.09 | CIA-10 | openembedded: 03kergoth 07 * r1.3181.2.1 10openembedded/packages/pcmciautils/pcmciautils_002.bb: Add pcmciautils 002 (now uses gettext for i18n in pccardctl). |
| 01:47.16 | slimspace | it's kinda a weird topic to write on, honestly |
| 01:47.31 | slimspace | at least without trying to sound like an ad |
| 01:47.34 | scanline | nod |
| 01:47.52 | scanline | I'd really rather just give up on both these papers- I don't think we've really done enough research to make a paper useful at this point |
| 01:48.04 | slimspace | nod |
| 01:48.13 | purple_cow | hrmph |
| 01:48.15 | slimspace | I couldn't figure out what to cite either... |
| 01:48.17 | CIA-10 | spacegrant: 03dowty * r1119 10doc-misc/symposium/pymck_paper.tex: The data logger uses two superblocks, not three. Explain the packet framing in a more concise way |
| 01:48.24 | purple_cow | the ipw2200 drivers keep wanting me to build new crypto modules for my kernel |
| 01:48.29 | slimspace | ah, ok |
| 01:48.39 | scanline | slimspace: well, I found at least one opportunity to cite something related to the EDC module |
| 01:48.45 | slimspace | hmm? |
| 01:48.57 | slimspace | ah |
| 01:48.58 | scanline | well, our EDC module is basically just an intrusion detection system |
| 01:49.21 | slimspace | very true |
| 01:49.27 | scanline | it can protect the filesystem from long-term damage, but it relies on the fact that the vast majority of radiation-induced errors will either corrupt the filesystem or crash the machine |
| 01:49.48 | scanline | I think it's awful, but I know we don't have time or money to implement something better |
| 01:50.11 | scanline | what I'd love is a virtualization layer that sits under the whole OS that provides a reliable virtual system |
| 01:50.25 | scanline | but that's basically a PhD project |
| 01:50.35 | slimspace | yeah, definitely |
| 01:51.15 | scanline | see, spacegrant would be so much cooler if they focused on the research necessary to do small parts of a satellite correctly |
| 01:51.28 | slimspace | yeah...I really wish we had more research |
| 01:51.28 | scanline | as it is, people just learn half-baked ways to do everything |
| 01:51.42 | slimspace | engineering is fun, but there's no science to what we do. It's all just putting stuff together. |
| 01:51.45 | scanline | nod |
| 01:52.30 | scanline | I'd really like to do a paper for the symposium and for smallsat and such.. but the more I do on this the more annoyed I get at it all |
| 01:52.49 | slimspace | yeah...it was hard for me to stay motivated on it |
| 01:52.53 | scanline | the paper I did last year turned out pretty cool |
| 01:53.04 | scanline | but that's because it was a topic I felt was actually worth writing on |
| 01:53.07 | slimspace | mine was fairly good too |
| 01:53.11 | slimspace | yeah |
| 01:53.22 | slimspace | why didn't we write on better topics? |
| 01:53.24 | scanline | I think the PyMCK stuff could be turned into a good paper, but we'd need a different approach maybe.. and it would end up being an awfully short paper |
| 01:53.35 | slimspace | mmm... |
| 01:53.40 | scanline | the standards paper is turning out to be awfully silly IMHO |
| 01:53.48 | slimspace | I haven't read it yet |
| 01:53.58 | scanline | I think I like the introduction |
| 01:54.03 | scanline | but we really don't have the material to back that up |
| 01:54.06 | slimspace | yours or mine? |
| 01:54.09 | scanline | I mean, neither CX or DINO have really done anything |
| 01:54.12 | scanline | mine |
| 01:54.15 | slimspace | ah |
| 01:54.18 | slimspace | yeah |
| 01:54.30 | scanline | so I can do all sorts of hand-waving about how dino's architecture is better |
| 01:54.35 | scanline | but we really don't have any proof |
| 01:54.48 | scanline | and I have to acknowledge up front that this is a low-cost design rather than a high-reliability design |
| 01:54.49 | slimspace | mmm hmm...Dino never even went through a high level of testing either |
| 01:54.55 | scanline | that right away makes this very minimally applicable to aerospace |
| 01:55.00 | slimspace | yeah |
| 01:55.19 | scanline | so.. bleh |
| 01:55.24 | slimspace | I can see it being good for what SG uses it for, but not much else |
| 01:55.57 | scanline | at this point I'd really just like to tell Jen we decided we don't have enough material to do a proper set of papers this year. Jen and Steve won't like it, but I'd rather give up this chance than end up with a lousy paper |
| 01:56.13 | scanline | maybe I'm just being pessimistic |
| 01:56.31 | slimspace | yeah, maybe a little. I think we have at least as good as other papers being presented |
| 01:56.43 | scanline | that's not what I care about |
| 01:56.51 | slimspace | I know |
| 01:57.06 | scanline | if I'm going to write a paper, I want it to be about something I consider interesting and tested enough that I can stand on a soapbox and explain it to people formally |
| 01:57.07 | slimspace | but fact remains, this isn't really a research situation, so there's not a whole lot we could do. |
| 01:57.20 | scanline | so why are there symposium papers at all? |
| 01:57.23 | scanline | this makes no sense |
| 01:57.25 | slimspace | I don't know |
| 01:57.33 | slimspace | I thought it kind of silly last year too |
| 01:57.36 | scanline | yeah |
| 01:57.44 | scanline | most people just wrote about whatever it is they were working on |
| 01:57.47 | scanline | that's what I did |
| 01:57.52 | scanline | it just happened that I was doing some research |
| 01:57.55 | slimspace | yeah. Well, that's what the staff encouraged us to do |
| 01:58.03 | scanline | this year I've done a lot of neat engineering, but nothing really paper-worthy |
| 01:58.11 | slimspace | yeah, me too |
| 01:58.47 | scanline | I mean, with the standards paper, I know what I'd *like* to say, but at best I can only use DINO and CX as examples |
| 01:58.53 | scanline | and some of what I want to say is contradicted by DINO anyway |
| 01:59.16 | scanline | like how the power micro uses RS-422 and a custom-built protocol |
| 01:59.24 | slimspace | yeah. |
| 01:59.27 | scanline | it's a high-quality protocol, at least compared to the alternatives, but it still really could have been USB instead |
| 01:59.42 | scanline | I just wasn't comfortable at the time with evaluating the real-time properties of that USB codebase |
| 01:59.54 | scanline | but if I was to redesign it today, I could do it USB and be happy probably |
| 02:00.02 | slimspace | no doubt |
| 02:00.13 | scanline | or I'd use multiple microcontrollers |
| 02:00.22 | scanline | kinda like what I did with the CD |
| 02:00.36 | scanline | tiny, very well tested, and isolated micro for the most critical stuff |
| 02:00.41 | scanline | then something that's good at communication for the rest |
| 02:01.06 | slimspace | well, I mean, look at it this way...We've got the two papers written, why scrap it now? |
| 02:01.15 | scanline | because I'm not happy with them :) |
| 02:01.27 | slimspace | yeah, but it's still worth presenting |
| 02:01.49 | slimspace | and if nothing more, it's more stuff to put on a resume |
| 02:01.58 | scanline | I've already got too much crap on my resume |
| 02:02.08 | scanline | I keep forgetting to put last year's paper on there |
| 02:02.17 | slimspace | yeah, in truth I didn't either... |
| 02:02.33 | slimspace | I'm fighting to keep it down to two pages... |
| 02:03.10 | scanline | well |
| 02:03.15 | slimspace | well, in any case, I'm not gonna back down |
| 02:03.16 | scanline | there are big things that bother me about both papers |
| 02:03.31 | slimspace | well, is there something we can do to fix it? |
| 02:03.38 | scanline | dunno |
| 02:03.52 | slimspace | hmm...I should get back to Boulder... |
| 02:03.52 | scanline | well |
| 02:04.16 | scanline | I don't think there's much we can do about the standards paper- I can jabber on endlessly about protocols that might be useful, but we have nothing to back it all up with |
| 02:04.25 | slimspace | right |
| 02:04.30 | scanline | as for the PyMCK paper, you have good description of the various subsystems |
| 02:04.41 | scanline | but I think it would be a lot better if we approached it from a more abstract point of view |
| 02:04.47 | scanline | the implementation isn't important really |
| 02:05.06 | scanline | there are only a couple really important things about pymck |
| 02:05.22 | scanline | 1. the way it models satellite hardware, using the three models and the observables and such |
| 02:06.00 | scanline | 2. the lack of premature optimization- using long descriptive names for things and assigning IDs automatically, for example |
| 02:06.25 | scanline | 3. coherent and modular use of a high-level programming language, rather than inventing some "scripting" to throw on top of C++ |
| 02:06.41 | scanline | what I'd really like to do is approach it from that abstract angle, then compare it to existing systems like SCL |
| 02:06.48 | scanline | but we don't really have the background to do that properly either |
| 02:06.53 | slimspace | yeah... |
| 02:06.59 | slimspace | that'd be a great angle... |
| 02:07.08 | scanline | what I'm really annoyed at overall is that to write a good aerospace paper I need to know what the current practices in the aerospace industry are really like |
| 02:07.15 | scanline | and I'm not an aerospace person |
| 02:07.20 | scanline | so I have no clue really |
| 02:07.28 | scanline | I can make stuff up, and that's what I've been doing so far |
| 02:07.37 | slimspace | yeah, and SG isn't exactly in the midst of bleeding-edge either. |
| 02:07.52 | scanline | that's the problem- for this to be interesting, it needs to talk about things that we aren't really qualified to talk about |
| 02:08.01 | scanline | right |
| 02:08.15 | scanline | the only designs I'm really familiar with are the crappy things i've seen ball put out |
| 02:08.22 | scanline | and they probably have way better stuff that I haven't seen |
| 02:08.30 | slimspace | yeah |
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| 02:09.00 | purple_cow | anyone interested in ordering food? |
| 02:09.09 | slimspace | scanline: well, I should start getting ready to head back home. We can continue this later tonight |
| 02:09.16 | scanline | mmkay |
| 02:09.23 | darth_mall | slimspace: home == boulder? |
| 02:10.02 | scanline | hah |
| 02:10.10 | scanline | looks like total we've written 12k words on these :) |
| 02:11.13 | scanline | but.. soon enough I'll be out of spacegrant and doing something actually useful |
| 02:11.45 | scanline | purple_cow: I might'a been, but I not long ago had a bowl of chile :( |
| 02:16.27 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 02:16.31 | purple_cow | that leaves me with a conundrum |
| 02:17.41 | kergoth | haha, on this channel Fuse, they have a makeover show.. heavy metal makeover. they're having this pansy get body art and shit |
| 02:21.04 | slimspace | darth_mall: yes |
| 02:34.32 | scanline | hmm |
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| 02:49.08 | scanline | I need to get a book on DSP stuff |
| 02:49.18 | scanline | digital filters are cool, and I need to know more about them |
| 02:55.50 | scanline | hey look.. wikipedia knows about as much about filters as my circuits book |
| 03:08.00 | purple_cow | what great advice |
| 03:08.05 | purple_cow | "people in masks cannot be trusted" |
| 03:08.42 | nullpuppy | crap |
| 03:08.46 | nullpuppy | wish i had known that earlier |
| 03:09.19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:09.24 | kergoth | purple_cow: watching the princess bride? |
| 03:09.33 | kergoth | it sucks that andre the giant died |
| 03:09.37 | purple_cow | kergoth: yeah |
| 03:09.39 | nullpuppy | :( |
| 03:09.41 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 03:09.42 | purple_cow | darth_mall picked up the dvd on his way home |
| 03:10.02 | kergoth | nice |
| 03:12.37 | kergoth | mm, rammstein - fever frei! |
| 03:21.23 | purple_cow | err, battles |
| 03:25.56 | kergoth | the most famous of which is never get involved in a land war in asia, but only slightly less well known is this! Never go in against a Cicilian, when Death is on the line! hahahahahaha *dies* |
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| 03:35.19 | zak | hiya all :) |
| 03:35.31 | *** topic/#tacobeam by zak -> need. more. spring. break. |
| 03:35.35 | scanline | hiya |
| 03:35.47 | zak | scanline: do you have any alcohol? |
| 03:35.52 | scanline | no |
| 03:35.54 | zak | the isopropyl sort? |
| 03:35.56 | scanline | oh |
| 03:35.58 | zak | damn |
| 03:35.58 | scanline | yes |
| 03:35.59 | laodamas | you silly people and your so called "breaks" |
| 03:36.11 | zak | laodamas: when you had em you liked em |
| 03:36.54 | zak | purple_cow: do you have any anti-sick drugs? |
| 03:38.49 | purple_cow | zak: depends |
| 03:41.32 | zak | slimspace|away: w00t! got a reply :) |
| 03:42.06 | zak | headache i got covered..but the others are more difficult |
| 03:46.59 | scanline | :) |
| 03:46.59 | laodamas | 2003 model with less than 40 miles on it :) |
| 03:47.02 | scanline | nice |
| 03:49.49 | laodamas | I did not want to commute on my $3*10^3 Trek 5200 |
| 03:50.10 | purple_cow | pff |
| 03:50.42 | laodamas | Now I can become a bike commuter snob! |
| 03:50.56 | scanline | become? |
| 03:55.36 | scanline | zap |
| 04:08.48 | gonkulator | hmm... |
| 04:15.27 | purple_cow | GRR |
| 04:18.44 | kergoth | mm, http://www.gothmetal.net/radio/ |
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| 04:41.37 | slimspace | yay home |
| 04:43.41 | purple_cow | hiya slimspace |
| 04:43.49 | slimspace | hey purple_cow |
| 05:06.42 | slimspace | Hi lurgy |
| 05:08.33 | slimspace | mmm> |
| 05:08.33 | slimspace | ? |
| 05:08.42 | purple_cow | scanline & darth_mall are venting |
| 05:08.43 | purple_cow | a lot |
| 05:08.59 | slimspace | I see |
| 05:09.01 | slimspace | 'bout what? |
| 05:12.02 | purple_cow | everything |
| 05:14.17 | kergoth | movin to the country, gonna eat me a lotta peaches. |
| 05:18.05 | lurgy | morning slimspace :) |
| 05:18.45 | lurgy | hehe, mkay |
| 05:19.11 | lurgy | yay for might be |
| 05:21.10 | scanline | hmm, groceries |
| 05:21.14 | scanline | I might be |
| 05:21.24 | scanline | slimspace: venting mostly about spacegrant... |
| 05:21.48 | slimspace | scanline: don't worry, only a few more weeks, then you graduate |
| 05:21.55 | scanline | heh |
| 05:22.39 | scanline | I'd be so much happier with them if they actually taught people how to put together systems that work correctly and are designed well, rather than teaching people how to assemble huge piles of crap |
| 05:23.15 | slimspace | yeah... |
| 05:23.24 | slimspace | well, that's been one of my biggest gripes with them since I joined. |
| 05:23.46 | scanline | and the software team in general has been annoying me with its lack of motivation and direction |
| 05:24.02 | slimspace | mmm... |
| 05:24.15 | slimspace | well, this is nothing new for the CX software team |
| 05:24.27 | scanline | uhhuh |
| 05:24.40 | slimspace | I miss working on DINO... |
| 05:24.52 | scanline | even dino wasn't really going in the right direction |
| 05:25.03 | slimspace | no, but it was at least moving somewhere |
| 05:25.04 | purple_cow | soo, grocerties |
| 05:25.09 | scanline | yeah |
| 05:25.35 | scanline | slimspace: so are you still planning on doing this paper stuff? I think I've pretty much convinced myself that we don't have anything worth writing about, but I really wouldn't want to leave you doing this alone |
| 05:26.00 | slimspace | well, I figure we have something written already, so why not go with it? |
| 05:26.24 | slimspace | worst that happens, we don't get the prize |
| 05:26.26 | scanline | why not? because it isn't really something worth presenting or reading about |
| 05:26.50 | scanline | worst that happens, we write a crappy paper and get dressed down by all the industry people that read it and listen to our presentation |
| 05:26.50 | slimspace | no, but I'd imagine nothing else being presented is either |
| 05:27.30 | scanline | that doesn't really matter |
| 05:27.56 | slimspace | fact is (and the industry people know this), we're not really in a position to present major research. Nobody at any of the SG colleges is, with some rare exceptions |
| 05:28.03 | scanline | well |
| 05:28.13 | scanline | the PyMCK stuff is interesting, but I think we really need to present it in a different way |
| 05:28.25 | slimspace | well, we can still tweak it |
| 05:28.36 | slimspace | we've got all day tomorrow |
| 05:28.52 | scanline | the standards integration stuff would be good, but we don't have a shred of ground to stand on to back up anything we're saying really |
| 05:29.08 | slimspace | yeah, except our raw experience |
| 05:29.13 | slimspace | which doesn't amount to much |
| 05:29.19 | scanline | the thing is, anything we write is going to be a bunch of new-age preaching from software hippies that don't know anything about the aerospace industry |
| 05:30.00 | slimspace | true. But it's still an opportunity to show what we're doing |
| 05:30.13 | scanline | mmmkay |
| 05:30.34 | scanline | well, if you're not as aggrivated at this as I am, I'll keep trying to do my part |
| 05:30.37 | scanline | but first, groceries |
| 05:30.44 | slimspace | ok |
| 05:30.53 | slimspace | yeah, I'm just a bit aggrivated, but not enough to want to scrap it |
| 05:31.59 | purple_cow | oh right, hmm |
| 05:32.07 | purple_cow | my fan is still making creepy noises |
| 05:33.31 | kergoth | hmm, http://www.metalcrypt.com/genresframe.php is interesting. should be useful when i start categorizing my music |
| 05:34.03 | KeyserLaptop | hehe. |
| 05:34.10 | purple_cow | lurgy: pokepokepokepokepoke |
| 05:34.15 | slimspace | scanline: let's work on the paper tomorrow, see what we come up with. I'll look over your paper too, see if anything comes to mind |
| 05:34.20 | KeyserLaptop | 12 genres of metal |
| 05:34.24 | lurgy | purple_cow: time to go shopping then? |
| 05:34.36 | scanline | slimspace: k. the big thing I want to see in the pymck paper is a description that software engineers would find useful |
| 05:34.48 | KeyserLaptop | they should divide them into the main genres, and alloys |
| 05:35.11 | scanline | slimspace|away: what you have so far reads like a feature list on a corporate web site.. it's good to keep of course, since most of the people we're likely to present to are aerospace types rather than software types |
| 05:35.27 | scanline | slimspace|away: but I'd really hate for a paper on a piece of software to be missing a good description of that software's architecture |
| 05:35.38 | purple_cow | you could fill it with UML diagrams! |
| 05:35.44 | scanline | slimspace|away: it needs to explain in a *concise* way how the satellite is modelled and controlled |
| 05:36.04 | scanline | slimspace|away: what you have explains it I'm sure, but it's way too rambly about individual features to see the overall structure |
| 05:37.25 | kergoth | KeyserLaptop: hehe |
| 05:41.45 | darth_mall | but I usually do feel a bit better afterwards ^^ |
| 05:42.06 | kergoth | complaining about work is normal |
| 05:42.42 | kergoth | huh, that page describes nightwish as 'symphonic metal'. never heard it categorized that way, but thats probably about right |
| 05:42.54 | darth_mall | yeah, but purple_cow was right, there was -a lot- of venting going on there ^^ |
| 05:43.11 | darth_mall | lol |
| 05:43.24 | kergoth | KeyserLaptop: i've been trying to track down some viking metal :) |
| 05:43.31 | kergoth | found a fair bit on ubernet |
| 05:44.08 | KeyserLaptop | s/but/by/ |
| 05:44.12 | darth_mall | welp, I'm gonna try and get some sleep |
| 05:44.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:44.14 | darth_mall | g'night kids |
| 05:44.16 | kergoth | night darth_mall |
| 05:44.23 | KeyserLaptop | gnight darth_mall |
| 05:46.20 | KeyserLaptop | i just made the distance of each one from the A/C proportional to it's index in the array, and made it's rate of change of bearing proportional to the index, too |
| 05:46.33 | KeyserLaptop | (so the farther out it is, the faster around it goes in a circle) |
| 05:47.09 | KeyserLaptop | and when all the harmonics line up, you get lines of planes radiating out from the center |
| 05:47.30 | KeyserLaptop | like 2 radials, and then the outer parts pass the inner, and it looks messy for a bit, and then 3 radials, etc |
| 05:47.38 | KeyserLaptop | very kaleidascopey |
| 06:27.58 | scanline | wow |
| 06:28.22 | scanline | I've received 5 distinct emails from this place I ordered the printer cartridges from, all confirming my order in some way |
| 06:37.20 | scanline | sounds like purple_cow is vacuuming up little pieces of cardboard or something |
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| 07:00.52 | purple_cow | I HATE COMPUTERS |
| 07:07.34 | lurgy | yay |
| 07:20.40 | lurgy | yay, that wasn't so bad |
| 07:20.43 | lurgy | hurray for fresh air |
| 07:23.03 | lurgy | hehe |
| 07:23.05 | lurgy | g'night laodamas|away |
| 07:23.11 | lurgy | hmm, time for school tomorrow |
| 07:23.12 | lurgy | damn |
| 07:24.03 | laodamas|away | lugry: It already is tomorrow :) |
| 07:24.30 | scanline | today is the tomorrow for a new day! |
| 07:24.49 | scanline | see, you can say stuff like that and get in a cologne commercial or some such nonsense |
| 07:25.03 | scanline | or maybe in a sock commercial |
| 07:25.08 | scanline | socks are hip and trendy |
| 07:25.10 | scanline | socks for tomorrow |
| 07:26.34 | lurgy | tomorrow is the next nearest day to the end of your life! |
| 07:26.44 | lurgy | laodamas|away: nooooooooooooooooooo |
| 07:26.49 | lurgy | laodamas|away: er.. yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees! |
| 07:30.23 | lurgy | hmm, no more getting up at 9AM for me.. :( |
| 07:32.21 | scanline | :( ? |
| 07:49.47 | scanline | ooh |
| 07:49.50 | scanline | now that's a creepy effect |
| 07:49.56 | scanline | if only I had a way of recording this |
| 07:52.05 | kergoth | damnit, i forgot to go back to town in wow before quitting again |
| 07:52.17 | kergoth | i need to stop doing that |
| 07:52.21 | kergoth | keep ending up dead |
| 07:52.24 | luqui | why does everybody play wow!? |
| 07:52.28 | kergoth | why not? |
| 07:52.30 | kergoth | :) |
| 07:52.36 | luqui | because it's an expensive mmorpg |
| 07:53.02 | luqui | and mmorpgs are designed to waste your time |
| 07:53.06 | kergoth | point. it is a pretty well done game though. excellent graphics, fairly intuitive interface, good selection of character types and classes |
| 07:53.27 | kergoth | this is my first mmorpg. not addicted yet ;) |
| 07:53.36 | luqui | just like city of heroes. and people who get addicted to city of heroes end up saying that they regret it |
| 07:53.37 | luqui | :-) |
| 07:53.41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 07:54.17 | kergoth | i get bored too easily to generally get addicted to games. need to go do something else, break up the monotony |
| 07:54.23 | ChipX86 | same |
| 07:54.34 | ChipX86 | I haven't been able to get addicted yet |
| 07:54.40 | kergoth | ChipX86: so far i've created 3 characters |
| 07:54.54 | ChipX86 | I might play tomorrow when I get home, if I feel up to it |
| 07:55.22 | kergoth | my first was a gnome rogue (boy, rogues pack a punch), an undead warlock (undead rules, warlock less so), and a tauren shaman |
| 07:55.32 | kergoth | s/, an/, and an/ |
| 07:56.49 | ChipX86 | so sleepy |
| 07:57.00 | kergoth | on a different note, Syberia and Syberia 2 are fun adventure games. |
| 07:58.30 | purple_cow | stupid computers |
| 07:58.45 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 07:58.46 | ChipX86 | what happened? |
| 07:59.49 | kergoth | ChipX86: so, i've been hunting theatre of tragedy type music, and other goth rock and general goth stuff, and finding lots and lots. i'll give you a list of stuff to check out from my machine at some point here |
| 07:59.53 | kergoth | :) |
| 07:59.58 | ChipX86 | nice :D |
| 08:00.31 | ChipX86 | I'm happy that I'm going to be home tomorrow, but it's going to be so hard to be away from Jamie |
| 08:00.34 | kergoth | :\ |
| 08:00.58 | ChipX86 | we haven't left each other's sides since yesterday morning.. she left a few hours gao |
| 08:01.40 | kergoth | my new favorite show is Heavy Metal Makeover, on Fuse. its funny as hell. they take like average guys with expensive clothes from the gap and stuff, and do a makeover with an eye to metal. body art, piercings, etc |
| 08:02.37 | ChipX86 | uh oh, autopackage got on slashdo |
| 08:02.37 | ChipX86 | t |
| 08:09.04 | purple_cow | scanline: can you give me your approval on the paper tonight? i'd like to get it emailed off before i sleep |
| 08:09.17 | purple_cow | ChipX86: fan on the video card got really noisy |
| 08:09.21 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 08:09.52 | scanline | purple_cow: k |
| 08:12.13 | ChipX86 | hey scanline. Had to leave before I saw your response earlier... interview went ok I guess? |
| 08:12.28 | scanline | ChipX86: you've missed my response about 4 times now ;) |
| 08:12.32 | ChipX86 | yeah :( |
| 08:12.32 | scanline | ChipX86: I think it went quite well |
| 08:12.33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 08:12.39 | ChipX86 | kept being dragged away |
| 08:12.46 | ChipX86 | very cool |
| 08:12.50 | ChipX86 | what time did it finish? |
| 08:12.53 | scanline | 4:30 or so |
| 08:13.14 | ChipX86 | did you head to building F after? I never saw you and wasn't sure if I just missed you or not |
| 08:13.18 | scanline | I came around to the F building to look for you, but of course the outside doors were locked and I really didn't have time to find a way to contact you |
| 08:13.39 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 08:13.45 | scanline | the times were a little screwed up on my itinerary and the flight was actually 8:10 or so |
| 08:13.49 | ChipX86 | that sucks.. I kept trying to keep an eye out but it was tough |
| 08:13.53 | scanline | nod |
| 08:13.54 | pagefault | time to update wine |
| 08:13.55 | pagefault | compile |
| 08:13.56 | pagefault | and go to bed |
| 08:13.59 | ChipX86 | you could have played games with us :/ |
| 08:14.01 | kergoth | ChipX86: http://www.metalcrypt.com/genresframe.php is interesting. describes the genres of metal. it says that theater of tragedy is one of the -pioneers- of gothic metal. |
| 08:14.03 | scanline | that's ok, with any luck we'll see each other plenty ;) |
| 08:14.05 | kergoth | :) |
| 08:14.10 | ChipX86 | kergoth: wow neat |
| 08:14.21 | ChipX86 | scanline: ah well.. glad it went well :) |
| 08:14.55 | scanline | ChipX86: yep. The brain teaser type questions were kind of a toss-up, but I had fun with the "explain, in as much detail as you can..." questions, and I really enjoyed talking to everybody |
| 08:15.14 | scanline | it was particularly cool talking to one of the X11 and graphics acceleration gurus |
| 08:15.25 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 08:15.31 | scanline | he asked me to describe in detail everything that happens when you press a key on the keyboard while in an xterm |
| 08:15.33 | scanline | so that was fun |
| 08:15.39 | ChipX86 | hah I got that question too |
| 08:15.42 | ChipX86 | Regis asked me |
| 08:15.53 | scanline | got to go into the keyboard driver, pseudoterminals, xlib, kernel stuff, XAA stuff, vt102 emulation... |
| 08:16.22 | scanline | then we just had a conversation about X acceleration and some of the stuff I was doing with picogui |
| 08:21.45 | scanline | purple_cow: looks great. I'm really happy with it |
| 08:22.00 | scanline | no uninteresting gook about implementation details, lots of useful stuff |
| 08:22.58 | scanline | ChipX86: so I should find out tuesday or wednesdayish if they're offering me a job. I'm definitely taking it if they do :) |
| 08:23.30 | scanline | ChipX86: it's looking like both the 3D acceleration and USB stuff they need lots of help in match my interests nicely |
| 08:23.41 | purple_cow | cool |
| 08:23.50 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 08:24.24 | scanline | also, one of the guys I interviewed with is a CU boulder alumni |
| 08:24.35 | scanline | he jokingly (I hope) quizzed me on the CU fight song :P |
| 08:25.29 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 08:25.45 | purple_cow | yay, sent |
| 08:25.58 | scanline | turns out that Bruce Sanders was the senior project coordinator then also |
| 08:26.16 | scanline | and he's actually the guy who originally sponsored the two senior projects from Sun this year |
| 08:26.17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 08:26.56 | scanline | ChipX86: ;) |
| 08:27.09 | scanline | got labby-stuff, meetings, and papers to do tomorrow |
| 08:27.10 | ChipX86 | I just know the whole family will be talking about why we both had them today |
| 08:27.29 | scanline | heh, ChipX86 lives with people that observant? |
| 08:27.36 | ChipX86 | yes |
| 08:27.39 | ChipX86 | well |
| 08:27.44 | ChipX86 | it's *really* hard to miss them |
| 08:27.47 | scanline | hehe |
| 08:29.47 | purple_cow | haha |
| 08:29.56 | purple_cow | HostingGeek is on the war path again |
| 08:30.11 | ChipX86 | where? |
| 08:30.59 | purple_cow | #gnome |
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| 12:48.45 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03fibonaci * r7558 10music/palmer-piano_concerto/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Synced tempo.ly, added context.ly for the special contexts that we create (like Dynamics and Tempo). |
| 13:30.51 | CIA-10 | navi-misc: 03fibonaci * r7559 10music/palmer-piano_concerto/ (13 files in 2 dirs): Switch all tempo markings over to tempo staff. |
| 13:36.48 | numist | *yawn* |
| 13:37.00 | luqui | *gnaw* |
| 13:37.06 | numist | 0_o |
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| 16:08.31 | CIA-10 | autopackage: 03mike * 10autopackage/main/TODO: Add an API to find the absolute path of a given soname |
| 16:17.35 | darth_mall | mornin' slimspace |
| 16:19.39 | slimspace | morning darth_mall |
| 16:25.43 | scanline | yawn |
| 16:26.22 | slimspace | hi scanline |
| 16:26.28 | scanline | hi |
| 16:27.25 | darth_mall | mornin' scanline |
| 16:28.05 | scanline | yep |
| 16:44.38 | pagefault | mmm coffee |
| 17:17.25 | purple_cow | (*#@%*&!*(#@%&)^)!\ |
| 17:17.35 | purple_cow | one of the guys working on publishing submitted a patch |
| 17:17.49 | purple_cow | it's not quite ready, but now i'm going to look like an ass submitting another one tonight |
| 17:19.53 | scanline | :( |
| 17:24.10 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 17:24.18 | purple_cow | at least it does look like their solution is kind of crappy |
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| 17:32.43 | scanline | mornin JeffM2501 |
| 17:33.38 | purple_cow | time for school |
| 18:14.49 | darth_mall | school |
| 18:15.29 | JeffM2501 | sup |
| 18:15.55 | darth_mall | uhoh... it's JeffM2501 |
| 18:16.05 | JeffM2501 | unfortonatly |
| 18:21.57 | darth_mall | time to start the big update |
| 18:34.02 | kergoth`zzz | morning |
| 18:34.04 | slimspace | scanline: you coming in today? |
| 18:34.18 | scanline | slimspace: after my physics lab, like I do every monday |
| 18:34.25 | slimspace | cool |
| 18:34.54 | darth_mall | heya kergoth`zzz |
| 18:36.35 | darth_mall | you put the Less Than Jake album with their cover of Laverne and Shirley =D |
| 18:36.49 | darth_mall | s/=D/on navi =D/ |
| 18:38.54 | darth_mall | oooh... and it's got their cover of 867-5309 =D |
| 18:48.50 | scanline | hr |
| 18:48.51 | scanline | m |
| 18:48.55 | scanline | I suppose I should go to lab now |
| 18:50.21 | darth_mall | pish posh |
| 19:04.47 | darth_mall | mmm... I love feta |
| 19:06.02 | CIA-10 | zsnes: 03pagefault * 10zsnes/src/cpu/regsw.inc: Updated BG scroll latch behaviour |
| 19:14.16 | darth_mall | that was yummy |
| 19:18.11 | hardwire | blah and 1/2 dookie |
| 19:20.17 | hardwire | there are a few out there.. I wonder how EOL they are |
| 19:20.46 | darth_mall | heya hardwire |
| 19:20.52 | hardwire | hiya darth_mall |
| 19:21.07 | hardwire | wanna hear something bizairre? |
| 19:22.21 | darth_mall | always |
| 19:23.37 | hardwire | ok |
| 19:23.42 | hardwire | so before we moved to AK |
| 19:23.52 | hardwire | I drove myself and the g/f out to a remote wilderness near anchorage |
| 19:23.57 | hardwire | we got stuck on some ice |
| 19:23.58 | hardwire | :( |
| 19:23.58 | hardwire | boo |
| 19:24.15 | hardwire | I couldn't move the car at all on my own.. we tried everything to get it unstuck but it was a stupid stupid car |
| 19:24.18 | hardwire | 2wd |
| 19:24.37 | hardwire | with completely independent drive on each of the 2wd wheels |
| 19:24.56 | hardwire | so I would secure one.. and the other would slip and the secured one would not move |
| 19:24.57 | hardwire | pita |
| 19:24.59 | hardwire | either way |
| 19:25.02 | hardwire | 2 hours of frustration |
| 19:25.03 | hardwire | wedging |
| 19:25.05 | hardwire | ramming |
| 19:25.08 | hardwire | the whole 9 yards |
| 19:25.13 | hardwire | we finally go find somebody |
| 19:25.25 | hardwire | we remembered seeing this crazy chineese guy cooking a steak in the snow up the hill |
| 19:25.29 | hardwire | at his incredibly nice house |
| 19:25.37 | hardwire | so... we walk up hill for quite a while and knock on his door |
| 19:25.58 | hardwire | his little fluffy dog starts barking at us.. and he agrees to go heolp us.. slaps on winter gear and heads down to the car. |
| 19:26.08 | hardwire | so.. in a matter of minutes he has the car freed. |
| 19:26.13 | hardwire | I barely helped. |
| 19:26.22 | hardwire | I was pooped and he was amazingly talented. |
| 19:26.28 | hardwire | so we are thanking him.. yay.. thanks.. |
| 19:26.38 | hardwire | he beats us back up the hill .. on foot.. |
| 19:26.51 | hardwire | then starts spreading gravel for us on the way up another hill |
| 19:26.55 | hardwire | and we get out.. and are all happy |
| 19:26.55 | scanline | well that was fun |
| 19:27.00 | hardwire | thinking we are going to buy this guy dinner |
| 19:27.03 | hardwire | well we did last night |
| 19:27.18 | hardwire | he just happens to be the grand master of the kung fu school that the g/f goes to |
| 19:27.20 | hardwire | how weird is that? |
| 19:27.23 | darth_mall | neat |
| 19:27.26 | hardwire | they finally put it together last night |
| 19:27.29 | hardwire | and now it makes sense |
| 19:27.44 | hardwire | this is how this little chinese man was able to free the car so easily |
| 19:27.50 | hardwire | he was mr kung fu badass |
| 19:27.57 | hardwire | story done! |
| 19:31.01 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 19:31.16 | darth_mall | it might also have something to do with him living in the area, perhaps he's often had to free cars? |
| 19:31.18 | hardwire | you wanna hear the rudest phone attendand ever? |
| 19:31.31 | darth_mall | sure |
| 19:31.40 | hardwire | 1-800 cricket |
| 19:31.43 | darth_mall | as long as you continue to distract me from getting any work done |
| 19:31.43 | hardwire | dial 3 at main menu |
| 19:31.49 | hardwire | then when it asks for a phone number |
| 19:31.50 | hardwire | hit pound |
| 19:31.55 | hardwire | then after it barks at you |
| 19:31.57 | hardwire | hit # |
| 19:32.18 | scanline | bnnbbvcxcxxxxxxxxcxggfbvbvbvbvgnbbbnbnnjjhnjnnjnjnjnhjkl;' |
| 19:32.44 | darth_mall | hi scanline |
| 19:32.49 | scanline | blehhh |
| 19:32.54 | darth_mall | that good, huh? |
| 19:32.56 | scanline | yeah |
| 19:32.58 | darth_mall | are you still in lab? |
| 19:33.05 | scanline | no |
| 19:33.11 | scanline | I left there pretty much immediately |
| 19:33.14 | scanline | I'm at spacegran |
| 19:33.15 | scanline | +t |
| 19:33.20 | darth_mall | is it the paper? |
| 19:33.28 | scanline | haven't looked at that yet |
| 19:33.31 | scanline | but I'm sure it hasn't helped |
| 19:33.36 | scanline | I'm just in a bleh mood today |
| 19:33.53 | scanline | I guess I'm annoyed about spring break being over and me not really having had any rest over it :) |
| 19:34.17 | scanline | it was just doing random things that needed to get done, and trying to work on this futile paper |
| 19:38.50 | CIA-10 | autopackage: 03mike * 10autopackage/main/TODO: add specfile examples to todo list |
| 19:40.43 | darth_mall | roflmao |
| 19:40.51 | darth_mall | I just realized what the high pitched noises were in this song |
| 19:40.58 | darth_mall | "pika pika pika piiiiiiiiiikachu" |
| 19:41.05 | kergoth | haha |
| 19:42.24 | kergoth | watching The Girl Next Door |
| 19:43.13 | darth_mall | oooh... is that the one with Elisha Cuthbert? |
| 19:44.29 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:44.35 | *** join/#tacobeam Cae (~mschneide@Bloc-14.isc.tamu.edu) |
| 19:45.13 | darth_mall | hey Cae |
| 19:45.16 | darth_mall | kergoth: =D |
| 19:45.18 | darth_mall | she's a cutey ;) |
| 19:45.27 | Cae | eh? |
| 19:45.39 | scanline | hmm |
| 19:45.49 | scanline | slimspace: am I the only one on software that's graduating this year? |
| 19:46.11 | kergoth | Cae: darth_mall is referring to the chick in The Girl Next Door |
| 19:46.14 | Cae | who's a cutey? what happened? |
| 19:46.14 | kergoth | bleh |
| 19:46.16 | Cae | ah |
| 19:46.44 | Cae | so you going to become a bike courier? :) |
| 19:46.47 | slimspace | scanline: I think so |
| 19:46.52 | darth_mall | scanline: probly |
| 19:46.57 | darth_mall | cuz you're awesome like that |
| 19:46.57 | darth_mall | ;) |
| 19:47.00 | slimspace | but I'm leaving spacegrant after this semester |
| 19:47.05 | kergoth | hah, i dont think i could get paid that little. i'm spoiled |
| 19:47.06 | scanline | ah |
| 19:47.37 | Cae | heh |
| 19:47.52 | Cae | hmm..must find trainer in north austin... |
| 19:48.07 | kergoth | trainer? |
| 19:49.30 | Cae | horses |
| 19:49.35 | Cae | dressage |
| 19:50.18 | Cae | let's see...there's someone in leander |
| 19:52.42 | kergoth | ah. |
| 19:53.14 | ChipX86 | *sigh* going to miss her |
| 19:53.39 | Cae | hm? |
| 19:53.45 | darth_mall | take that! |
| 19:54.03 | Cae | I'm confused |
| 19:54.19 | ChipX86 | just said bye to Jamie. She has to go to work and I'm taking off to the train station soon |
| 19:54.28 | Cae | ah |
| 19:55.00 | kergoth | i still havent brought my laptop and badge into work |
| 19:55.05 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 19:55.09 | kergoth | and last friday was my "last day", despite me not going into work at all last week |
| 19:55.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:55.15 | Cae | lol |
| 19:55.25 | kergoth | and i just remembered that both of my zaurii are in the top desk drawer at work, in my cubicle |
| 19:55.29 | kergoth | :\ |
| 19:55.29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:55.33 | ChipX86 | uh oh |
| 19:55.55 | kergoth | so i cant just go in, drop off the shit and leave .. no .. now i have to track down my shit, and actually interact with people |
| 19:56.03 | scanline | do they still have to pay you for doing absolutely squat for the last month or so? |
| 19:56.06 | Cae | poor kergoth |
| 19:56.14 | kergoth | dood, i havent done squat in the past year and a half |
| 19:56.14 | darth_mall | ChipX86: you're still in Chico? |
| 19:56.21 | kergoth | well, depends on your definition of squat |
| 19:56.23 | kergoth | but yeah, not much |
| 19:56.28 | scanline | kergoth: I feel a lot more sorry for TI than I do for you :P |
| 19:56.28 | ChipX86 | darth_mall: for a couple more hours |
| 19:56.33 | kergoth | scanline: yeah, me too |
| 19:57.09 | kergoth | i mean, i was still beneficial to the department in general linux and open source expertise, code reviews, architectural decisions, that sort of things |
| 19:57.16 | kergoth | but actual coding, i rarely made a deadline. |
| 19:57.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:00.32 | Cae | ahhhh |
| 20:05.51 | darth_mall | hrm... this is going to take forever to run... |
| 20:06.10 | scanline | mmm, mountain dew |
| 20:06.48 | ChipX86 | my neck is worse than it was yesterday... |
| 20:08.40 | darth_mall | =\ |
| 20:09.40 | ChipX86 | it's not necessarily a bad thing, but is generating questions |
| 20:09.53 | scanline | hehe |
| 20:11.56 | scanline | ooh |
| 20:12.19 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/hig-compliant-icon-theme.png |
| 20:12.55 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 20:13.31 | darth_mall | scanline: hehe |
| 20:14.10 | ChipX86 | I should make some custom icons like that :) |
| 20:14.32 | scanline | yay for kirby in SVG form |
| 20:32.51 | ChipX86 | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0001F22PA/104-6936674-8939108 |
| 20:32.52 | ChipX86 | useful |
| 20:33.47 | scanline | ooh |
| 20:34.23 | ChipX86 | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?sourceid=qIpwQkhqSBiFAjz4hlxc&siteid=0037550214&CMP=AFC-AFFIL&Sku=T333-4204&EdpNo=1237252&SRCCODE=BEFREE |
| 20:35.18 | Cae | psp very pretty |
| 20:37.44 | scanline | ChipX86: yow |
| 20:37.47 | Cae | screen smudges a lot though |
| 20:38.00 | Cae | and the disk ejection thing was never actually fixed |
| 20:38.08 | scanline | what's wrong with the disk ejection? |
| 20:38.15 | ChipX86 | is that a good yow or a bad yow? |
| 20:38.15 | scanline | the smuding didn't look any worse than the rio |
| 20:38.20 | scanline | ChipX86: yes |
| 20:38.20 | Cae | it randomly shoots out the little disks |
| 20:38.23 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 20:38.30 | scanline | ChipX86: that was a "holy crap it's giant.. and expensive" yow |
| 20:38.33 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 20:38.34 | ChipX86 | well |
| 20:38.39 | ChipX86 | not that expensive |
| 20:38.42 | ChipX86 | considering other TVs |
| 20:38.47 | Cae | it's a high gloss screen, so fingerprints and grease and whatnot show up A LOT |
| 20:38.49 | scanline | I don't know what I'd do with a TV that big.. but I'm sure I'd find something ;) |
| 20:38.58 | scanline | Cae: right |
| 20:39.04 | ChipX86 | if it turns out it's a good tv, I'd consider buying that |
| 20:39.16 | ChipX86 | I want a new TV, preferably widescreen |
| 20:39.16 | Cae | the video quality is beautiful though |
| 20:40.24 | ChipX86 | VGA, DVI, Component, S-Video, Composite inputs |
| 20:41.05 | ChipX86 | oh, 2 composite. Nice. |
| 20:41.09 | scanline | erg. ok. there's no way I can do these papers |
| 20:41.16 | ChipX86 | I am *so* tempted |
| 20:41.18 | Cae | papers? |
| 20:41.27 | scanline | slimspace has written a lot, but it's all implementation detail |
| 20:41.42 | scanline | we don't have enough real reasearch to do a paper yet |
| 20:41.50 | slimspace | yeah, not a whole lot else to write on |
| 20:41.56 | ChipX86 | 42" widescreen projection tv for $750 |
| 20:41.57 | scanline | sure there is |
| 20:42.07 | slimspace | well, not that we could back with research, anyway |
| 20:42.20 | scanline | slimspace: I mean, what you've written so far would make a nice user's manual or something... but if I was a CS guy trying to understand the architecture, it's useless |
| 20:42.29 | slimspace | yeah |
| 20:42.43 | ChipX86 | how are projection tvs? |
| 20:42.44 | scanline | IMHO the pymck paper really needs to start with a high level description of the problem, then describe our solution architecture |
| 20:42.46 | slimspace | problem is, though, if we write it for a CS audience, nobody'll understand it |
| 20:42.48 | scanline | *without* implementation detail |
| 20:42.53 | scanline | poppycock |
| 20:42.53 | slimspace | nod |
| 20:43.02 | scanline | this isn't an aircraft design, it's software |
| 20:43.13 | slimspace | yeah |
| 20:43.15 | scanline | you have to describe software using computer science terms |
| 20:43.26 | scanline | otherwise it's just user-level or marketing goop |
| 20:43.35 | slimspace | mmm... |
| 20:43.49 | slimspace | I agree completely...I'm just saying, consider our audience |
| 20:44.27 | scanline | if you insist on writing a paper about pymck that includes no useful information about its architecture, I really don't want to be part of it.. and we don't really have any ground to stand on in defending either paper |
| 20:44.43 | slimspace | well, how do you suggest we change it? |
| 20:45.02 | ChipX86 | man |
| 20:45.04 | ChipX86 | I want this |
| 20:45.07 | scanline | I'd suggest making the pymck paper *way* shorter, and as I said above describing it at a high level without including useless details |
| 20:45.10 | ChipX86 | and I have more than enough in the bank |
| 20:45.17 | ChipX86 | but it's expensive |
| 20:45.25 | scanline | right now it's like you're trying to explain an operating system to someone by reading them the source code for the mouse driver |
| 20:45.30 | Cae | any other large expenses you might be looking at before you can earn the money back? |
| 20:45.50 | ChipX86 | Cae: nope |
| 20:46.03 | slimspace | ok, well, we can do that. But that'll take up all of maybe 2 or 3 pages. How would we back it with research or testing? |
| 20:46.10 | ChipX86 | technically, after taxes and rent and all that other stuff, I usually have about $2000 I can put away each month, give or take |
| 20:46.16 | scanline | slimspace: we couldn't, that's my other point |
| 20:46.20 | ChipX86 | unless I spend it |
| 20:46.35 | slimspace | so then we'd basically be describing the architecture, and that's it |
| 20:46.38 | scanline | slimspace: that's why I was saying earlier that we could do a passable paper about pymck, but it wouldn't include any proof and it'd be real short |
| 20:46.40 | scanline | right |
| 20:46.48 | scanline | have you seen what we did for the SRC paper? |
| 20:46.51 | scanline | I really like how that turned out |
| 20:46.55 | slimspace | no, haven't looked at it |
| 20:47.08 | scanline | it's a nice concise paper that describes the problem we're trying to solve and how our approach is better |
| 20:47.12 | Cae | so...either way |
| 20:47.15 | scanline | completely devoid of implementation detail |
| 20:47.25 | scanline | so instead of being a 50 page paper nobody wants to read, it's a nice 5 page paper |
| 20:47.33 | slimspace | sounds cool |
| 20:47.39 | Cae | I generally avoid buying anything it takes more than a month to make the money it's worth |
| 20:47.43 | slimspace | and I think that's a great way to do that |
| 20:47.52 | scanline | it is. it's a quick read, I'd recommend looking at it- if not for the content, for the structure |
| 20:48.08 | scanline | if we did do a pymck paper, I think something structured more like that would work well |
| 20:48.14 | slimspace | yeah |
| 20:48.16 | scanline | but I'm still not sure it's a good idea to do that for the symposium |
| 20:48.19 | ChipX86 | Cae: well, my grocery store just closed, so I won't be buying much groceries for a while.. I wlil be ordering out a couple times a week, but that's nothing new.. I can definitely afford it, but I don't know.. |
| 20:48.23 | slimspace | ok, class is over, gotta go. See you in a bit |
| 20:48.25 | scanline | like you say, people there aren't going to care really |
| 20:48.25 | scanline | k |
| 20:48.29 | slimspace | yeah |
| 20:48.30 | slimspace | brb |
| 20:50.28 | ChipX86 | I can't belivee I'm considering this |
| 20:50.57 | ChipX86 | I want to find reviews |
| 20:51.50 | Cae | what do you get back with taxes? if anything |
| 20:52.19 | ChipX86 | from doing my taxes, or every month after taxes? |
| 20:52.32 | kergoth | i'd buy it. but then, i'm not exactly the best person for financial advice |
| 20:52.34 | kergoth | :0 |
| 20:52.36 | kergoth | er :) |
| 20:53.28 | kergoth | ChipX86: you have the money. you want it. what are you waiting for? there's no point to making good money if you dont enjoy it. |
| 20:53.36 | ChipX86 | hrm |
| 20:53.52 | ChipX86 | I'll think about it |
| 20:53.55 | darth_mall | ploooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 20:53.56 | ChipX86 | brb, got to get things together. Leaving soon |
| 20:54.11 | kergoth | thats how i see it, anyway. its well and good to want to save or whatever, but shit, life's too short to be focused on 10 years from now all the time. save some, enjoy the rest, you know? |
| 20:54.17 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:54.20 | ChipX86 | Cae: I'm getting a ~$2680 tax rebate, but it's going to a cruise for my parnets |
| 20:54.21 | Cae | tax refund |
| 20:54.25 | Cae | ah |
| 20:54.45 | Cae | kergoth: nod. my tax rebate went to my new laptop |
| 20:54.49 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:54.49 | ChipX86 | I might as well |
| 20:54.52 | ChipX86 | it's not *that* expensive |
| 20:54.59 | ChipX86 | if I was buying a computer, I wouldn't blink at the price |
| 20:55.02 | ChipX86 | bbs |
| 20:55.07 | kergoth | $750 isnt bad at all. i'd hesitate if it was over a grand |
