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00:08.49ChipX86meh, everybody ships fedex anymore.. no same-day deliveries after a certain time
00:09.01file[laptop]hrm?
00:09.02ChipX86er, s/anymore/nowadays
00:09.04file[laptop]ah
00:09.17ChipX86I want to deliver flowers or chocolate to Jamie, and have it arrive tonight, but there's no chance of that
00:10.31nullpuppyChipX86: you should be able to do flowers... (1800flowers, and other services will do it...) just need to find a florist near her...
00:10.40nullpuppychocolates... that i dunno..
00:10.41ChipX86isn't it a bit late in the day though?
00:11.23nullpuppyoh, hrm.. 5.. yeah.. that might be more difficult :/
00:11.33nullpuppymight still be possible, but dunno
00:13.21ChipX86so far, it doesn't seem that way
00:14.20ChipX86guess I'll have some arrive at work
00:15.33purple_cowChipX86 is such a hopeless romantic :)
00:15.54ChipX86http://www.blossomflorists.com/product/41-2.htm?cart=efddb66a7283b5785dbb0e95f0c5918e
00:15.57ChipX86aww
00:16.36ChipX86purple_cow: I try ;)
00:18.43scanlinewoobeedoo
00:19.03purple_cowpfft
00:20.32ChipX86bah, card messages
00:23.35purple_cow"You feel more like you do now to than you did when you used to" would be a good message
00:23.45ChipX86haha
00:23.58ChipX86I like mine better :)
00:24.05purple_cowoh?
00:24.57ChipX86it's mushy
00:25.21*** join/#tacobeam Samy (~samy@212.76.83.182)
00:25.47ChipX86"Why wait for certain days to show you how I appreciate you, when I appreciate you every day? *hugs*"
00:28.32scanlinehuh
00:28.39scanlineI got bicycle grease on my printer
00:28.44scanlineno idea how that happened either
00:29.25ChipX86aww, Jenna called me
00:29.37ChipX86love it when she does that, except I can't understand half of what she says over the phone
00:29.55file[laptop]all the girls are after ChipX86
00:30.01ChipX86she's 4
00:30.12file[laptop]...even at the early age!
00:30.17ChipX86she's also my sister
00:30.20file[laptop]they always go after the old ones you know
00:30.38file[laptop]well then... ic
00:30.49ChipX86:)
00:31.01scanlinehah
00:31.25scanlinepurple_cow: I just found a big bottle of "bathroom, tub, and tile cleaner" when looking for various solvents with which to clean my printer. We'll have to see if it's any good on our crazy shower...
00:31.42file[laptop]ChipX86: you are VERY silly
00:32.08ChipX86I am?
00:32.12file[laptop]yes
00:32.22scanline<PROTECTED>
00:32.22scanline<PROTECTED>
00:32.26scanlineer.. wtf
00:32.30ChipX86..?
00:32.43file[laptop]that was odd
00:32.55scanlinexchat isn't saving my /ignore list.. I took file out of there a while ago but there he is back in again
00:32.58scanlineand then it does that
00:33.26file[laptop]quite odd
00:35.10CIA-5navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7705 10fyre/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add filename & saved state to the pipeline. use the filename for the window title
00:36.10ChipX86haha
00:36.37ChipX86e-mail at work: "purse found in food supplies closet. stop by my office to claim. it's not your brand, ganesh."
00:36.46CIA-5navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7706 10fyre/src/PipelineEditor.cs: show saved status in the title too
00:36.59file[laptop]lol
00:37.42ChipX86back to the brig I go
00:38.01scanlineChipX86: does everyone take advantage of flex time to the same extent you do? :)
00:38.23ChipX86Alex tends to, and Mark gets in at 1 every day, and Joey (though he's a bad example) is never at the office
00:38.27ChipX86but, I get work done!
00:38.39ChipX86and I'm there for meetings and stuff, so nobody seems to care
00:39.06CIA-5navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7707 10fyre/src/PipelineEditor.cs: add some stubs for checking saved status on exit
00:39.10ChipX86I was going to go in today, except for the whole "I don't have one single clean piece of clothing I can wear" problem
00:39.15scanlineChipX86: wow. it shouldn't be much of a change to my normal hours at all then :P
00:39.17nullpuppysilly ChipX86 and his productivity
00:39.48ChipX86~productivity
00:39.49jbotyay! i mean.. boo.
00:40.02nullpuppyjbot: botsnak
00:40.05nullpuppyjbot: botsnack
00:40.05jbotaw, gee, nullpuppy
00:40.12scanlineyay for the traffic to CIA increasing, but the CPU usage still being about 1/3 of what it was
00:40.27scanlinewow. perl6
00:40.31ChipX86to the laundry room with me I go, to the laundry
00:40.37scanline:)
00:40.39scanlineyay brig
00:40.43nullpuppyawww, server reset in 14 minutes, guess i'll have to take a break from WoW ;)
00:42.39scanlinehuh
00:42.54scanlinethis guy has a .name TLD
00:49.18file[laptop]bleh package back at Fedex headquarters
00:49.27file[laptop]and hopefully they don't ship it back to the sender
00:51.00ToyKeeperTacos!
00:56.48kergoth<PROTECTED>
00:58.55ChipX86yay, someone I really don't want to talk to!
00:59.06kergothyay
00:59.13kergothdamnit
00:59.15kergothi lost my pliers
00:59.16ChipX86steph's ex is IMing me.
00:59.16kergothhmm
00:59.29ChipX86I often wonder, why do I use IM?
00:59.42ChipX86I should make new accounts and just not give them out to anybody but close friends or people I trust
01:00.20kergothgood plan
01:06.26ChipX86shit
01:06.26ChipX86brb
01:11.01ChipX86phew.. accidentally left $10 in the laundry room
01:11.12ChipX86and there's a duck swiming in one of our pools
01:17.07scanlinehmm, cool
01:17.25scanlineI let the battery in our fridge therm keep draining even though it's been way past "dead" for a couple weeks
01:17.39scanlinelooks like instead of reporting bad temperature data, it just starts to send a really week radio signal
01:17.47scanlineyay for sane failure modes
01:19.18scanlinewow
01:19.22scanlinethis battery is *really* dead
01:19.36scanlinethe therms are amazing at sucking every last bit of power from a 9V
01:21.25ChipX86"We are arming the chicken cannon!"
01:21.29ChipX86yay mythbusters
01:26.10scanlinehmm
01:26.19scanlineI can't even find those old disks from navi.. I think I gave them to lurgy
01:26.26scanlinemaybe I should just buy yoshi a new disk
01:35.53ChipX86yay, Mythbusters was just down the road for this episode
01:36.51kergothfran drescher makes me want to shoot someone
01:36.53kergothpreferably her
01:37.32ChipX86:)
01:46.55ChipX86resize_vertically = (!! resize_vertically);     /* normalize */
01:47.07ChipX86that's odd
01:48.23scanlinenah
01:48.30ChipX86I understand it, I've just never seen it before
01:48.30scanlinethat forces it to 0 or 1
01:48.51scanlineI usually see something more like "x = x != 0", but !!x is almost as common
01:49.01ChipX86hmm, never seen it before
01:54.30CIA-5galago: 03chipx86 * r1655 10libgalago-gtk/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Added the beginnings of the contact chooser widget.
02:00.15kergothmy shell script has now exported 9,052 changesets from the oe repo as patches
02:00.18kergothand it isnt done
02:00.19kergothsheesh
02:00.31file[laptop]kergoth: crazy!
02:10.55CIA-5galago: 03chipx86 * r1656 10libgalago-gtk/ (ChangeLog NEWS pixmaps/Makefile.am): Fix the GALAGO_GTK_STOCK_PERSON stock icon.
02:19.21CIA-5galago: 03chipx86 * r1657 10libgalago-gtk/ (ChangeLog libgalago-gtk/galago-gtk-contact-chooser.c): Add "People" and "All Contacts" items, and a separator between them and the individual services.
02:29.14ChipX86this is going to be sexy
02:29.42kergothwoo, sexy
02:29.47kergothyou know
02:29.51kergothi probably should have slept last night
02:29.57ChipX86yes
02:30.15ChipX86I may be talked into playing WoW in a bit
02:37.09CIA-5galago: 03chipx86 * r1658 10libgalago-gtk/ (ChangeLog tests/test-chooser.c): Fix the feed name and dialog titles in test-chooser.
02:39.14ChipX86http://osiris.chipx86.com/galago-chooser-1.png
02:39.39file[laptop]ChipX86: I assume you're happy?
02:39.39kergothneat :)
02:39.45ChipX86sure
02:39.48scanlinecool
02:40.07kergoth10,166 csets exported and still going
02:40.18kergothi think its exporting those 3,000 -empty- merge changesets
02:40.23kergothgr
02:41.43kergothbleh
02:48.29*** join/#tacobeam zak (~zak@128.138.74.40)
02:48.55scanlinehi zak
02:48.56zakhttp://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml
02:49.01zaktehe
02:49.09scanlinehehe
02:50.34*** topic/#tacobeam by zak -> Badgers may be run without security antennas, but this is not recommended. Insecure badgers may be hacked by anyone with a compatible card and badger bits.
02:51.07scanlinezak: so besides finding funny web sites, what are you up to?
02:52.13zakhw
02:52.17scanlineyay
02:52.20zakand badger mutilation
02:53.44scanline"The paper should burn with green flames. Black or gray means the herbs were improperly prepared. Purple flames indicate kernel panic"
02:55.04scanline"Do not allow your zombie badger to consume mushrooms or African snakes, or your badger may emit catchy techno music."
02:56.13kergothhah
02:56.57lurgyyay mute
02:57.19scanlineyay for not having speakers plugged into my computer :P
03:00.40lurgy=*
03:00.42lurgyer
03:00.43lurgy:(
03:00.53scanlineno, that's a good thing
03:01.00lurgyoh?
03:01.15scanlineyeah. I've had them plugged into my rio lately, for music
03:01.24ChipX86I need to fix my rio
03:01.26lurgyah
03:01.31lurgywell then.. yay i reckon
03:01.57kergothmy iriver has sat on my desk collecting dust, i should put some of my recent tunes on it
03:04.20zakhehe
03:13.01ChipX86"All of civilization was just an effort to impress the opposite sex.. and sometimes the same sex."
03:14.52scanlinehehe
03:15.24zaksadly that is true.
03:15.27ChipX86yep
03:17.25kergoththat reminds me of that comedy routine where the comedian was saying that everything men buy is to get women, and that if we could sleep with women in cardboard boxes, we'd never buy houses
03:18.00numistyay Im employed
03:18.04kergothyay
03:18.08ChipX86yay
03:18.30numistyay I get a lappy 486 friday and then I can telecommute, which next week will be from my gf's house since she has the week off and its her bday
03:19.18kergothgod, i've been playing too much WoW
03:19.25ChipX86heh
03:19.27ChipX86I should go play
03:19.29kergothi read numist dances and picture one of the chars from wow bursting into dance
03:19.33ChipX86hahah
03:19.38ChipX86I've been dreaming in WoW
03:19.40kergothhaha
03:19.43scanline...
03:19.44numist...
03:20.21ChipX86it's not *that* weird
03:20.40kergothi've dreamed of being inside of all sorts of games
03:20.42kergothquake, doom
03:20.46kergoththose were some eerie ones
03:20.49ChipX86:)
03:21.22kergothChipX86: i love that the peons in the orc area have the exact same voices as the peons from warcraft 2
03:21.27kergoth(orc area in wow)
03:21.29ChipX86yeah
03:29.00purple_cowyay for that pendulum concert having a couple cool pieces
03:32.53purple_cowtime to make dinner
03:35.39ChipX86WoW time
03:35.46scanlinehttp://www.trinary.cc
03:35.56scanlinethat guy really doesn't make a convincing case for trinary logic...
03:36.07lurgyhehe
03:36.49scanlineit has logic gates like 'rotate up', 'min', and 'magnitude'
03:37.12lurgyhmm
03:37.19lurgy"
03:37.19lurgyAs a member of APPA: The Association of Higher Education Facilities Officers,
03:37.19lurgyThe University of Colorado at Boulder is participating in a national student
03:37.19lurgysurvey to better understand the importance of and satisfaction with facilities on your college campus."
03:37.20scanlinehttp://www.trinary.cc/Tutorial/Transistors/Transistors.htm
03:37.29scanlinelooks like that's all RTL logic
03:37.36scanlineand they're ridiculously complex compared to binary gates
03:38.08scanlineI mean.. look at the 'magnitude' gate
03:38.17scanline4 diodes, 5 resitors, and an *op amp*?
03:38.18purple_cowhrm. there's something beeping in darth_mall's room
03:38.25lurgyyay beeping
03:38.30lurgypurple_cow: yay for a couple cool pieces indeed
03:38.34lurgypurple_cow: how was the last piece?
03:38.39scanlinewho the hell wants to use logic gates that complex...
03:38.46ChipX86kergoth, nullpuppy?
03:39.01lurgyhehe
03:39.07nullpuppysure, gonna play my shaman though :) he's 13. almost 14 now
03:39.13scanlineooh.. binary parts are "legacy" now
03:39.17nullpuppyjust need to go turn in this quest to get new totem ...
03:39.25purple_cowlurgy: some parts of it were really neat and some parts kind of bleh
03:40.47lurgynod
03:40.51purple_cowscanline: but it lets you save pins on higher order operations!
03:41.04purple_cowyou were there?
03:41.25lurgyfor the first half ;)
03:41.31lurgythen i came home cuz i gotta get other stuff done
03:46.33lurgyjohn neurohr is such a ham :P
03:47.01purple_cowuhhuh
03:47.12lurgy(obviously ;))
03:47.25purple_cowthat's an especially hammy piece, though
03:49.56darth_mallYay! Ajay called!@
03:50.08darth_malland I'm pretty sure he said he was coming to see the Animation Show! =D
03:52.34file[laptop]this is odd, this pop tastes like... well... shampoo?
03:56.18ChipX86mmm..
03:56.47darth_mallfile[laptop]: sounds yummy
03:57.01file[laptop]tastes like fruit
03:58.13lurgypurple_cow: :)
03:58.15lurgypurple_cow: it's true
04:01.19file[laptop]yay Mythbusters make me happy
04:02.50purple_cowway i see it, with so many people doing this silly atkins thing, there's gotta be a surplus, right? someone's got to pick up the slack :)
04:06.34file[laptop]goodnight everyone
04:10.54ChipX86kergoth: poke
04:17.28darth_malldnd?
04:18.46purple_cowdrag and drop
04:26.37darth_mallwho wants to see an awesome picture?
04:27.24darth_mallhttp://navi.cx/~evan/Ev_and_Pody.jpg
04:30.11purple_cowwow, darth_mall was thin and pimpled
04:37.34darth_mallyep
04:37.52scanlinehmm
04:38.09scanlineI don't think I have any old pictures of me.. but I doubt any good ones exist :P
04:38.27darth_mallbut the whole point of the pic is the handsomest dog evar =D
04:38.30scanlineyep
04:40.00darth_mallhmm... it's kinda funny how much like Fushigi 12 kingdoms is
04:47.42scanlinehah
04:47.48scanlinegoogle maps has a good picture of DCHS
04:48.46scanlinehttp://maps.google.com/maps?ll=39.389226,-104.857432&sll=39.372222,-104.855556&spn=0.006427,0.008926&sspn=0.091553,0.161205&t=k&hl=en
04:49.01scanlinenot sure why it won't link right to the highest zoom level
04:50.04darth_mallhey look! it's like that school I hated
04:50.08scanlineyep
04:50.55scanlineand you can see the top of castle rock if you go south a bit
04:51.24darth_mallyeppers
04:51.32purple_cowhttp://maps.google.com/maps?ll=39.971995,-105.245955&spn=0.004689,0.007875&t=k&hl=en <-- and look, a school i hated
04:51.33darth_malland you can see where I bured those bodies!
04:51.50purple_cowmine's shaped more interestingly than yours ;)
04:51.56scanlinewow, it's all polygonal and stuff
04:52.11darth_mallpurple_cow: how many tennis courts did you guys have?
04:53.04darth_mallthat was more of an exclamation because of how aghast I was, rather then a question
04:53.05purple_cowhmm, and viele lake is even the right color in the satellite photos
04:55.17merlin262~lart Mitsubishi
04:55.27merlin262~lart Mitsubishi
04:55.29darth_malljbot: you suck now
04:55.38darth_mallthose larts are all lame
04:55.44merlin262~lart Mitsubishi
04:55.48*** mode/#tacobeam [+o scanline] by ChanServ
04:55.57*** mode/#tacobeam [+q jbot!*@*] by scanline
04:56.00*** mode/#tacobeam [-o scanline] by scanline
04:56.03darth_malllol
04:56.14merlin262bah, humbug
04:56.41merlin262poor jbot
05:04.51darth_mallwow... that was a little jarring
05:04.58darth_mallSocial D to Reel Big Fish
05:05.11darth_mallI kinda liked it though... =D
05:05.47kergothhehe
05:06.08CIA-5navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7708 10fyre/src/ElementList.cs: blah
05:06.56purple_cowkergoth: uhh, where'd those sugarcubes albums go?
05:08.43darth_mallkergoth: sell out with me, oh yeah!
05:08.51darth_mallpurple_cow: I moved them to /tmp/audio-incoming or something
05:09.05darth_mallto get them off of /home
05:09.19purple_cow/home has almost 2G free right now...
05:09.26scanlinepurple_cow: I dont' want audio on /home
05:09.40scanline/tmp is an appropriate place for them.. they're temporary, after all
05:10.12darth_mallthere we go
05:10.19scanlinepurple_cow: /home has filled up two or three times recently, and every time I've lost a bunch of email
05:11.11darth_mallwhat was that meeting about this afternoon?
05:11.17scanlinewhich one?
05:11.20scanlineoh
05:11.30scanlinethat was one of the former science team people, coming back to chat with us about things
05:11.33darth_mallhe looked older then the rest of you folks I know
05:11.41darth_mallah, that explains it then, don't it =D
05:12.22scanlineyeah. he worked on our spectrophotometer maybe.. 5 years ago
05:13.07darth_mallwow... Nutt's explaination of the next-fit policy is thoroughly confusing
05:18.06scanlinedo you know if they really want you to have leaf objects in this composite pattern include links to their parent?
05:18.18scanlinethat seems unnecessary at best
05:19.46darth_mallI did cuz why not, but I don't think purple_cow did
05:20.15scanlinethis is stupid
05:20.17purple_cowI did, 'cuz why not
05:20.29purple_cowit was just 3 extra lines of code
05:20.45scanlineand an ugly circular dependency!
05:20.59scanlinethis is supposed to be a class on design, yet he doesn't even mention that this is an important decision?
05:21.06scanlineblahhhh
05:23.58darth_mallfigures the class I miss last week is stuff I don't know, and the class I go to is just a review of the test =P
05:24.05scanlinethis whole homework problem has some of the most unpythonic code i've ever written, because I doubt the graders really understand anything other than the Java way of doing OOP
05:25.12darth_malldid you give each class its own file?
05:25.23scanlinehaha
05:25.26scanlineno
05:25.27darth_mall(also note the directory structure required for submission =P)
05:25.32scanlineyeah, I saw that
05:25.34darth_mallok
05:25.39darth_mallI wouldn't have noticed if purple_cow hadn't told me
05:26.10darth_mallcuz how hard is it to do `python observer.py`
05:26.47purple_cowyay sugarcubes
05:28.07darth_malloh no!
05:28.10darth_malllike wha?
05:28.14scanlinegenerator expressions
05:28.22scanline<PROTECTED>
05:28.22scanline<PROTECTED>
05:28.38darth_malloooh... generators
05:33.58scanlinepurple_cow: do you have a copy of windows XP, or any idea where navi's extra hard disks went?
05:34.04scanlineI think I let lurgy borrow them, but I'm not sure
05:34.25scanlinehmm
05:34.29darth_mallif those are the ones you're looking for
05:34.37scanlineif it's a real install disk, not a recovery disk
05:36.11darth_mallerm...
05:36.16darth_mallI meant hard disk
05:36.35darth_mallwait...
05:36.39scanlinenm
05:36.42scanlinepurple_cow had one
05:36.52scanlineoh, those disks
05:37.01scanlinewell, I'll try one of those if windows won't install on this one
05:44.37purple_cowsilly darth_mall and his giving
05:46.52purple_cowglurg
06:08.36darth_mallyep
06:31.52*** join/#tacobeam samyb (~samy@212.76.83.182)
06:32.07CIA-5navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7709 10fyre/doc/uml.zargo: start documenting this silly stuff
06:35.16darth_mallwtf
06:35.20darth_mallI can't get subs on this ep
06:36.45darth_mallthere they are
06:38.30CIA-5navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7710 10fyre/doc/uml.zargo: add the first subclass...
06:42.56ChipX862 hours 20 mins later, phone call ends
06:51.55CIA-5navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7711 10fyre/doc/uml.zargo: finish element subclasses, make it pretty
06:54.07CIA-5navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7712 10fyre/doc/uml.zargo: it's amazing how much less painful these are with a real tool
06:55.28purple_cowhey neat!
06:55.34purple_cowit's got an svg output mode
06:56.35CIA-5navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7713 10fyre/doc/uml.zargo: rename that particular diagram, so we can keep these things separate and *small*
06:57.53purple_cowunfortunately, it looks like argo doesn't do sequence diagrams yet
06:58.33darth_mallwelp, bed time for me
07:02.58purple_cowhmm
07:10.12CIA-5navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7714 10fyre/src/Dialogs.cs: make Dialog an abstract class, since it doesn't make sense to instantiate dialogs with no buttons
07:12.14CIA-5navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7715 10fyre/doc/uml.zargo: add an inheritance diagram for Dialogs
07:22.25purple_cowargouml needs to do the document scrolley expansion stuff that fyre's pipeline editor does ;)
07:22.51CIA-5navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7716 10fyre/doc/uml.zargo: add the beginnings of an organizational diagram, hide compartments where it makes sense
07:23.05purple_cowtime to shower
07:57.19scanlineooh, and with a working windows on a fastish machine I can finally try the keyhole demo
08:05.17CIA-5navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7717 10fyre/doc/uml.zargo: bleh, the relationships are getting kind of messy.
08:37.09scanlinewow, keyhole is fun to play with
08:37.29scanlineit's really easy to gain 1400ft or so of elevation on a bike near boulder ;)
08:58.03CIA-5galago: 03chipx86 * r1659 10libgalago-gtk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Split the service list part of the contacts chooser into its own widget.
08:58.05ChipX86I should be in bed
08:59.01purple_cowhmm, me too
09:11.48CIA-5galago: 03chipx86 * r1660 10libgalago-gtk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Fleshed out the ServiceList API a bit, and made the People and All Contacts items optional.
09:16.16scanlineooh
09:16.21CIA-5galago: 03chipx86 * r1661 10libgalago-gtk/ (ChangeLog libgalago-gtk/galago-gtk-contact-chooser.c):
09:16.21CIA-5galago: - Set the "Show offline contacts" checkbox's default properly.
09:16.22scanlineI think I just found ChipX86's apartment in keyhole
09:16.23CIA-5galago: - Hide offline accounts when "Show offline contacts" isn't checked.
09:16.29ChipX86scanline: neat
09:16.31ChipX86screenshot :D
09:17.06ChipX86mmm this dialog is looking pretty
09:17.11ChipX86shame I should be in bed asleep right now
09:17.27purple_cowChipX86: screenshot?
09:17.38ChipX86or, save?
09:17.48ChipX86oh
09:17.50ChipX86of the dialog
09:17.51purple_cowChipX86: of the dialog, silly
09:17.56ChipX86still this: http://osiris.chipx86.com/galago-chooser-1.png
09:18.24ChipX86but the API is coming together and the dialog will look cool once I get all the support I want in it for going into a person and getting the accounts, and having a path bar for it
09:18.30purple_cownifty
09:18.48scanlinehttp://navi.cx/~micah/keyhole-1.jpeg
09:19.03ChipX86yep, that's it!
09:19.07scanlineyay, I win
09:19.28scanlinehaha
09:19.31scanlineelevation, 22 ft
09:19.38ChipX86looks weird from up here
09:19.44scanlineeverything does
09:19.56scanlineI should show your our apartments
09:20.01ChipX86yay, I can see the balcony above mine
09:20.05ChipX86and the tree outside my apartment
09:20.14scanlinewoo, trippy zooming
09:21.19scanlinehttp://navi.cx/~micah/keyhole-2.jpeg
09:21.52scanline5138 ft :)
09:22.40ChipX86neat
09:22.44ChipX86hard to make out anything
09:23.14scanlineyeah
09:23.17scanlinewell, there isn't much to make out
09:23.25scanlineno balconies, pools, or vegetation
09:23.34scanlinejust your basic small apartment building
09:24.09scanlineblah, hungry... you'd think us humans had to have food on a regular basis or something
09:24.16ChipX86heh
09:24.28ChipX86should sleep... hmr
09:26.05scanlinehmm
09:26.28scanlinewonder if I can get my vmware disk image with Protel running under vmware in windows
09:36.02scanlinehah
09:36.13scanlineaccording to keyhole, my parents' house is a little under 1 mile from KOA
09:38.14CIA-5galago: 03chipx86 * r1662 10libgalago-gtk/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Split out part of GalagoGtkContactChooser into GalagoGtkContactList.
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14:10.43CIA-5voiceconduits: 03jcolp * 10classres/ (11 files): Tons of updates, gotta push them to CVS.
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15:35.03CIA-5zsnes: 03pagefault * 10zsnes/src/video/newgfx16.asm: Clean up code and remove useless crap
15:35.57CIA-5zsnes: 03pagefault * 10zsnes/src/video/newgfx16.asm: Fix for non transparent sprites on a subscreen
15:54.35CIA-5zsnes: 03pagefault * 10zsnes/src/video/newgfx16.asm: Removed obsolete code
15:55.18darth_malluhoh... pagefault's doin' stuff
16:05.18pfaultyep
16:07.01ToyKeeperAh, fun...  random pick-up lines...  http://toykeeper.net/programs/mad/pickup
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16:10.44darth_mallroflmao
16:10.57darth_mallI know you don't know me, but if my pleasure scepter is perverted, will you screw it?
16:12.39ToyKeeperOi...   "Roses are red, violets are blue, I have warts, and so will you."
16:13.31nullpuppyYou know what they say about a nun with malignant toes.
16:14.58ToyKeeperHold on while I slip into something a little more lesbian.
16:15.24darth_mallrofl
16:15.58CIA-5navi-misc: 03evan * r7718 10fyre/src/ (Dialogs.cs PipelineEditor.cs):
16:15.58CIA-5navi-misc: Fiddling with the confirmation dialog. This is going to take
16:15.58CIA-5navi-misc: a little more thought.
16:16.22nullpuppy<PROTECTED>
16:16.24nullpuppyIf God made anything more enormous than your cleavage, I hope he kept it for his blender.
16:17.34darth_mallwhat?
16:17.36darth_malllol
16:18.54nullpuppyWant to make a porno? We don't have to tape it.
16:19.21darth_mall=D
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16:29.10darth_mallhmm... I should head out soon
16:29.16purple_cowhmm.... me too
16:29.20darth_mallthat answers that
16:55.24CIA-5BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10admin/master-bans.txt: updated redsoxfan IPs, after his removal from guleauge
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17:09.29CIA-5galago: 03chipx86 * r1663 10libgalago-gtk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added stubs for the contact chooser API.
17:12.51CIA-5navi-misc: 03evan * r7719 10fyre/src/ (Dialogs.cs PipelineEditor.cs): Create a class for the close without saving dialog.
17:14.21CIA-5navi-misc: 03evan * r7720 10fyre/src/PipelineEditor.cs: small change in dialog text
17:15.26ChipX86hope those flowers get there today..
17:22.07CIA-5galago: 03chipx86 * r1664 10libgalago-gtk/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
17:22.07CIA-5galago: - Renamed GalagoGtkServiceListType to GalagoGtkServiceListItemType.
17:22.09CIA-5galago: - Renamed galago_gtk_service_list_set_current_type to galago_gtk_service_list_set_current_item_type.
17:22.12CIA-5galago: - We now listen to the tree selection changed signal and update the service or type.
17:25.26CIA-5navi-misc: 03evan * r7721 10fyre/src/Dialogs.cs: This spacing still doesn't look quite right to me.
17:43.00purple_cowdarth_mall: yeah, the dialogs are relatively insignificant ;)
17:43.49purple_cow<teacher> how many milliseconds in a second? <student> a hundred!
17:43.51purple_cow=P
17:44.16darth_mallroflmao
17:44.31darth_mallpurple_cow: what app are you using for the UML diagrams?
17:44.55slimspacehey everyone
17:45.01darth_mallsliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiimspace
17:48.01darth_malloooh... there's some kind of MacGyver viewing going on next tuesday
17:51.04slimspaces/look/loop
17:53.02slimspaceI really just don't know how to contribute.  Futzing with the interface is fine, but I really don't know where the project is supposed to be going
17:53.04numistgood luck, I cant do a damn thing with C# :P
17:53.35numistfair enough
17:53.40darth_mallthey're so happy
17:53.48slimspacedarth_mall: you, purple_cow, and scanline I think have a really clear idea of what it's supposed to do, based on how fyre 1 worked, but since I didn't ever work on fyre 1, I'm pretty clueless.
17:54.08darth_mallslimspace: I'm actually only just getting an idea of what's really going on
17:54.32darth_mallthe only thing in fyre 1 I really get isn't actually acessible without hacking the source ^^
17:54.44slimspacehmm...
17:55.00slimspaceyeah, that's about my understanding of it too
17:55.33slimspaceI just wish I knew where he wanted the project to go.
17:55.50slimspaceI can't even picture the finished program because I don't know really what it's supposed to do in the end.
17:55.57darth_mallah
17:56.14slimspaceI mean, I understand the point of it, but I don't have any idea how he wants to design it.
17:56.53darth_mallwell... I think coming up with the design is the whole point ^^
17:57.11slimspaceyeah, but we're all developing without a design made is the problem.
17:57.33darth_mallwell... there is some design going on, incrementally
17:57.45slimspacewhere?
17:58.02darth_mallrather then doing it Anderson's way of sitting down and doing all the design before coding, things are being addressed as they come up
17:58.18darth_mallthere's some stuff in the TODO about things that need addressing
17:58.56slimspaceright, I saw that.  But where's the idea for the program comming from?  I really just have no idea how the architecture is supposed to be
17:59.48darth_mallI'm not sure if I can answer that
18:00.26slimspacewell, usually when I work on a program, I have an idea of what goes where.  But here, there's no design for me to look at, and I understand only basically what the program is even supposed to do.
18:00.39slimspaceI don't have the tie-ins with Fyre 2 in my mind, so I can't develop to that
18:01.14darth_mallwhen's your next class?
18:01.20slimspacein a half hour
18:01.25darth_malldamn
18:01.33slimspaceI won't be back until 3:30
18:02.04darth_mallcan you come over tonight?
18:02.21slimspaceI think so, until around 6:30
18:03.18darth_mallmight be a good idea, if purple_cow is around
18:03.32slimspaceyeah.  I'm debating staying the weekend too
18:04.03slimspaceI donno, I just feel a bit intimidated to start, given all that purple_cow has already put in
18:04.20darth_mallyeah, but there's still a ton of stuff that hasn't been dealt with
18:04.31darth_malland probably a lot of stuff we haven't discovered we need to deal with
18:04.39darth_mallat least, that's the assumption I always work from ^^
18:04.50slimspacemmm, yeah
18:04.57darth_mallthere's plenty of work to be done ^^
18:05.08darth_mallI'm actually a little worried that this may have been a bit of a big project
18:05.14slimspaceyeah, me too
18:05.31darth_mallbut oh well ^^
18:05.32slimspaceespecially considering we have to be done with it by the end of the month
18:05.35darth_mallit's a cool project
18:10.20darth_mallgoddammit han
18:10.23darth_mallstfu and end class
18:11.28purple_cowyeah, lots of work to do
18:12.23slimspaceI think we should just sit down and hammer out the bigger design tasks we need to do, like the interface, and the pipeline itself
18:14.14scanlinedamnit. yoshi won't boot without a windows XP cd in the drive
18:14.30scanlinethis is so odd.. it's not just a bad MBR, it's something more strange
18:16.07ChipX86http://www.nescapades.com/gameroom.htm
18:17.56nullpuppyi want a room like that
18:18.01ChipX86"What games do you have?" "All of them."
18:18.11nullpuppyi don't see a ps2 though
18:18.24scanlinepurple_cow: is there an ubuntu CD anywhere in the apartment?
18:18.26scanlineor darth_mall ?
18:26.50darth_mallscanline: I have no ubuntu
18:29.15scanlineooooh
18:29.20scanlinemacgyver next week, for e-days
18:30.13darth_mallyep
18:30.21scanlinenod
18:30.25darth_mallscanline: do you know what purple_cow was using for the UML stuff?
18:30.29scanlineargo uml
18:30.51darth_mallah
18:30.54ChipX86*grumble* they had better ship those flowers
18:31.02ChipX86and let me know about it
18:31.03darth_mallChipX86: damn straight!
18:31.40TDit's da Chipster
18:31.42scanlineyay snapshot manager
18:31.54ChipX86TD: lies!
18:32.03ChipX86scanline: yep
18:32.07ChipX86ours rocks more. It has svg
18:32.18darth_mallyay svg
18:32.21ChipX86yep
18:32.25ChipX86that was a fun project :P
18:32.45scanline=D
18:32.59scanlineright now I don't even have linux on my desktop
18:33.10ChipX86why?
18:33.28scanlineinstalled windows XP, did so on a different hard disk since the other one is getting kinda flaky
18:34.06scanlinereally all I need to be able to do on my desktop machine right now is play games and run stuff inside vmware. I'll copy my linux stuffs back on later when that changes
18:34.37ChipX86oh no, scanline's going to move to windows forever!
18:35.42CIA-5navi-misc: 03evan * r7722 10fyre/ (TODO data/alert-dialog.glade src/PipelineEditor.cs):
18:35.42CIA-5navi-misc: Spacing in the glade file that didn't get committed during class.
18:35.42CIA-5navi-misc: Small note about the close without saving dialog in the TODO. Removed
18:35.42CIA-5navi-misc: some debuggative cruft in the PipelineEditor.
18:35.58scanlinemmm
18:36.11scanlinethese multiple snapshots are great for using the protel 30-day trial
18:36.19scanlineused to be I'd have to copy the whole disk image
18:36.20darth_mall^^
18:37.32scanlineI think this flaky desktop machine is a bit more stable under XP, aside from not booting at all
18:37.44scanlinethe BIOS isn't seeing my hard disk's boot record at all
18:38.00scanlinebut if I have an XP CD in there and I let that boot off the hard disk, it works fine
18:40.02scanlineooh
18:40.08scanlinequick switch mode + autofit guest makes me happy
18:40.29ChipX86yep
18:40.47ChipX86you're welcome!
18:40.57scanlinehehe, that was you?
18:41.00ChipX86partially
18:41.03scanlinecool
18:41.17ChipX86not quick switch mode, but I worked on some of the autofit stuff. Then regis did the rest
18:41.20darth_mallscanline: what was that website you said you looked up design patterns on?
18:41.35scanlinedarth_mall: the c2 wiki. it's usually in the first 5 hits or so if you google for any particular design pattern
18:41.47ChipX86the cool thing about hte linux UI team is that there's a good chance I've done what you're using, or at least worked on it
18:42.25scanlineyeah. I don't know why I'm trying ws5 under windows first. I tried to download it before but the web site barfed on my account info. This time I was motivated enough to create a new account and it worked
18:42.57ChipX86like, the snapshot manager, icons on tabs, svg stuff, themed favorites list folder icons, a bunch of the VM icons, legacy VM support, clone wizard, team wizard, wizard framework, made the statusbar more pretty, dialogs, movie capture, what else..
18:43.24scanlineyou did the UI for movie capture, or the actual movie recording code?
18:43.35ChipX86UI
18:43.38scanlineah
18:43.40scanlineneat
18:43.43ChipX86it was one of my first things here
18:43.58nullpuppywow
18:44.04ChipX86that and a transitional API to let the old code use the new dialog framework (wrapping C++ in C and keeping the same API is fun!)
18:44.23ChipX86and the entire wizard framework we now use
18:44.37ChipX86I keep taking on big projects :(
18:44.42nullpuppyhehe
18:44.57nullpuppyi need more time to code
18:45.03ChipX86WoW :P
18:45.06nullpuppywell.. mainly.. i just need to code more.. i really have plenty of time...
18:45.09nullpuppyhehe yeah :)
18:45.16ChipX86yep
18:45.20ChipX86I've been doing both!
18:45.29nullpuppyi played like.. 12hrs yesterday.. i should try to not do that too often :)
18:45.33ChipX86yeah
18:46.07nullpuppyhmm.. 2 hrs before i need to be to work.. i should run over to gramma's and hook their printer up real quick so i don't have to worry about it
18:46.08ChipX86http://osiris.chipx86.com/galago-chooser-1.png <-- yay, love that
18:46.14ChipX86can't wait to work on it more
18:46.30ChipX86what's cool is how easy it is to populate those lists
18:46.31nullpuppyyay, pretty
18:46.35scanlinemaybe I'll just keep yoshi a windows-only machine and run everything in vmware :P
18:46.45ChipX86it's like, "Give me every service. Now add them. Give me every contact in that service. Add those."
18:46.55ChipX86scanline: noooo
18:47.11nullpuppyi need to break out my c book again and refresh myself on the few things that are fuzzy, and learn glib/gtk/etc
18:47.18scanlineChipX86: or I'll do the opposite once I have a copy of vmware with kick-ass direct3d support ;)
18:47.26ChipX86:)
18:47.45scanlineyoshi really doesn't like booting at all, much less dual-booting
18:48.10nullpuppyhehe, right now.. wmware does everything i need for windows support :) would be nice if it was a tiny bit faster, but that might just be a matter of getting better performance outta my kernel
18:48.24scanlinefaster at what?
18:49.23ChipX86I love the pass-through USB
18:49.25nullpuppyjust regular performance.. its already pretty speedy, but i do have occasional couple second.. lags where the vm doesn't respond immediately
18:49.36scanlineChipX86: indeed. I'm looking forward to tinkering with it :)
18:49.50purple_cowwoobwoobwoob
18:49.51scanlinenullpuppy: well, CPU performance, memory performance, 2D/3D graphics?
18:50.01ChipX864D graphics is the tricky one
18:50.10scanlineyes
18:50.21ChipX86imagine playing a movie in reverse before you even download it. That's the future.
18:50.23scanlineonly xscreensaver can really give you high quality 4D output
18:50.34nullpuppyhaven't tried 3d yet (mainly cause WoW wouldn't install there... :)), i think its probably cpu performance, but not positive.  i haven't really tracked it down at all
18:50.52ChipX86vmware's pretty speedy here
18:50.53nullpuppymemory appears fine, but that might be the bottleneck as well, not sure
18:51.07ChipX86also, these are debug builds
18:51.07nullpuppyi'm guessing its not vmware, but not sure
18:51.40nullpuppyhmm, i should go do some dishes...
18:51.41nullpuppybrb
18:53.21ChipX86getting nervous. I hope they sent the flowers.
18:53.28ChipX86I should call them.
18:54.05CIA-5autopackage: 03mike * 10autopackage/main/TODO: update todo
18:54.19darth_mallChipX86: you sent flowers to Jamie?
18:54.24ChipX86yeah
18:54.27darth_mallyay!
18:54.31ChipX86http://www.blossomflorists.com/product/41-2.htm?cart=979a0e2b9f500429089bdd1886b5d457
18:54.34darth_mallhow come? or is it just cuz?
18:54.35ChipX86that
18:54.40ChipX86just because
18:54.47darth_mallyay =D
18:54.57darth_mallChipX86: it's so cute =D
18:55.50ChipX86hope they send it
18:56.09darth_mallit's so cool
18:57.15ChipX86ooh, singaporean today
18:57.20ChipX86mmmmmm
18:58.18kergothwoke up at 1.. well, thats better than waking up at 3 like i did yesterday. progress!
18:58.20kergothheh.
18:58.26ChipX86:P
18:59.09scanlinedarth_mall: you have a broodwar iso image? mine is on yoshi's other hard disk
19:00.11darth_mallI do
19:00.17darth_mallI can scp it to navi if you like
19:00.37scanlinethat would be awesome. /navi/media/isos?
19:00.37darth_mallare you playing SC sometime soon?
19:00.46scanlinelan party sunday
19:00.49ChipX86nice
19:00.55ChipX86Robot Chicken at our morale meeting tomorrow
19:00.56darth_mallwhich disk is the isos dir on?
19:01.33scanlinemicah@navi micah $ echo /mnt/navi/*/media/isos
19:01.33scanline/mnt/navi/07/media/isos
19:01.59ChipX86bbl
19:02.00darth_mallthat's a cute trick ^^
19:02.34scanlinek
19:03.10TDcbau
19:04.09scanlineeven on the games I own legal copies of, it's so much more convenient to just run it off an iso with daemon tools, heh
19:04.51darth_mallscanline: do you need it now, or can I send it when I'm on the network?
19:05.00darth_mallit's going to take a while from here
19:05.06scanlineoh, you're on wireless?
19:05.31scanlineoh. yeah, send it later
19:05.43darth_mallor you can grab my cd again, if you want it
19:08.25darth_mallhmm... I'm not seeing anything when I open up this .zargo file in argouml
19:09.34darth_mallwow... it's kinda ugly
19:10.09CIA-5navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7723 10fyre/ (TODO doc/uml.zargo src/Dialogs.cs): rearrange some comments a bit, add a note about darth_mall's TODO entry, update the Dialog inheritance diagram
19:11.08darth_malloh no! not moving comments!
19:13.02darth_mallhmm... that's interesting
19:13.08purple_cowhmm?
19:13.36darth_mallso... you can't pass file names to argouml on the command line =P
19:13.45darth_mallor any arguments apparently
19:16.11purple_cowwe should probably scrap the relationship diagram i've drawn there and just do that once it's all done
19:16.39scanlineaww. it won't let me bind alt-F4 to switch virtual desktops
19:17.25purple_cowhehe
19:18.18scanlinewow. my rex-misc checkout is still going...
19:21.34darth_mallargouml scares me
19:35.58purple_cowyes?
19:36.09scanlinehmm. every otber time I reboot, my mouse doesn't work until I tell it to look for new hardware
19:36.45darth_mallpurple_cow: an Element can have more than one output, ya?
19:36.52purple_cowyes
19:36.52scanlineyes
19:36.56darth_mallok
19:37.26darth_mallwhere is the # of inputs and outputs and things stored, in Element?
19:37.40purple_cowyeah, mostly
19:37.53purple_cowi don't think there's an explicit value for that yet, but there probably should be
19:38.09darth_mallok
19:38.29darth_mallcuz I couldn't find anything in Element or CanvasElement that looked like it was actually storing the number of pads
19:38.50scanlineanyone on our LAN already have a hoary iso?
19:40.50darth_mallnot me
19:41.32purple_cowi think for the tooltips i just divided the size of the description arrays by two, but that's kind of hacky
19:42.53darth_mallso we're storing the pads as strings in the Element?
19:43.09purple_cowright now it has strings for descriptions of the pads
19:43.26purple_cowshould probably abstract that out into a class that has things like type information, etc
19:43.45darth_mallok, that's what I was thinking
19:44.01darth_malldoes it need to be a class, or could it be another struct like PadConnection?
19:44.24purple_cowthere's not really a difference  :P
19:44.29darth_malloh, really?
19:45.02purple_cowerr, it might just be the same as C++
19:45.13darth_mallah
19:45.14darth_mallcool
19:45.17darth_mallit's not quite
19:45.31darth_mallor maybe that is how it works in C++, dunno
19:45.49darth_mallbut it appears that you don't have to use the new operator to get a new struct
19:45.52purple_cowhmm, so there are some differences, but none of them really matter in this case
19:46.09purple_cowyeah, structs are value types
19:46.30darth_mallhehe... I crashed monodoc
19:47.51darth_mallso I guess being value types means they don't have to have constructors
19:48.13purple_cowyeah, but they can if you want ;)
19:48.44purple_cowtechnically, classes don't need constructors either, iirc
19:48.56darth_mallreally?
19:49.02darth_mallbut not now
19:49.36CIA-5navi-misc: 03evan * r7724 10fyre/src/Element.cs: Empty classes for Pads. Opinions welcome.
19:49.40darth_mallChaos
20:01.45CIA-5navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7725 10fyre/src/ (ElementList.cs PipelineEditor.cs): hurray! i'm getting drop events now!
20:02.16CIA-5navi-misc: 03evan * r7726 10fyre/src/Element.cs: Fleshing out my idear for pads a bit.
20:02.24darth_mallyay purple_cow
20:03.44CIA-5navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7727 10fyre/src/Element.cs: silly evan and his weird-ass whitespace conventions
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20:16.42purple_cowhmm
20:16.57purple_cowis it bad that we're using more of an XP style of development with this fyre thing for a design class? :)
20:18.42scanline"A repository of KDE's size poses issues that the creators of Subversion would never have thought of," declared KDE release dude Stephan Coolio.
20:19.00scanlineI wonder what those 'issues' are... from what I've seen, the svn people have been very attentive to scalability issues
20:19.59scanlineoh, this was an april 1 article :P
20:20.25scanlineit definitely had me fooled ;)
20:24.07purple_cowhehe
20:24.22purple_cowhmm, release dude
20:26.43TDscanline: sure? they are migrating to svn and that sounds like the sort of thing coolio would say
20:27.11scanlineTD: it was an april 1st article about KDE moving to bitkeeper, abandoning their competing CVS gui project, and such ;)
20:27.38TDah
20:27.43TDheh
20:27.44TDfooled me too!
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20:38.51scanlinehi cwisty
20:41.59file[laptop]so my music midterm wasn't too bad
20:42.07purple_cowhmm, i wonder if "putting things away and not remembering where they are" could be considered hamartia...
20:42.14purple_cowif so, both scanline and my dad have got it :)
20:42.44scanlineheh
20:42.48scanlineyeah, it was next to navi
20:43.29purple_cowhmm, why the fuck did i remember that word?
20:43.38purple_cowgoddamn IB english
20:44.47scanlinecwisty: looks like we have about 150 feet of cat5 left in the spool
20:44.53scanlineif I counted right
20:45.10purple_cowdon't you have multiple switches?
20:46.07scanlinepurple_cow: I don't think we need a huge number of long cables, but I'm not sure how this is layed out yet. Feel free to come to the meeting today rather than complaining at me if you have any input
20:46.15purple_cowhehe
20:46.26purple_cowis the meeting just for logistics?
20:46.45purple_cowbesides, complaining is one of my favorite activities
20:46.49scanlinewell, it's the ACM meeting.. but it's mostly going to be about setting up this lan parties
20:47.07scanline6:00 this evening, same room in the ECOT
20:47.36cwistythanks scanline
20:48.05scanlinecwisty: I'm not sure how we managed to use 850 feet of cable in our apartment complex...
20:48.17cwistyhaha
20:48.25cwistywell one 150 footer will be better than nothing
20:48.31cwistypurple_cow we have a 40 port switch
20:48.36cwistyso we have to run everyone off of it
20:48.43cwistyall over the conference room
20:48.44purple_cowjust one? that's kind of silly :P
20:48.47cwistywhich is long and skinny
20:48.49cwistyeh
20:49.00cwistymakes networking as easy as long cat 5
20:49.21ChipX86hrm, hope she gets the flowers soon. I should call the company.
20:49.34cwistynot my switch
20:49.38cwistyI don't own a switch
20:49.41purple_cowusually seems easier to me to have a few switches, since short cables are easier to find
20:49.46cwistyif you do and want to donate it by all means
20:49.48scanlinecwisty: I got windows working on yoshi! it just won't boot unless there's a bootable CD in the machine :)
20:49.51cwistywe only have one
20:49.52cwistythat works
20:50.03cwistyhahaha scanline
20:50.19purple_cowi thought you guys had all the old CSEL crap ;)
20:50.41cwistypurple_cow the meeting tonight is about electing new officers and planning LAN and our Halo2 tourney
20:50.55cwistywe do
20:51.00cwistyand only one of the switches works
20:51.17purple_cowbizzare
20:52.34cwistywe might have one 8 port switch that one of our members has
20:52.36cwistywhich will hep
20:52.38cwistyhelp
20:52.59cwistybut if we don't get people it hardly matters
20:53.00purple_cowof course, the only thing i've done with the CSEL in the last 2 years is make it unusable
20:53.16scanlinehaha.. speaking of...
20:53.21scanlinewe should try that interactively
20:53.45purple_cowyep
21:01.05CIA-5navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7728 10fyre/src/PipelineDrawing.cs: try some more to get these cursors working
21:05.57ChipX86hrm
21:06.08ChipX86they reversed double-clicking and double-middle-clicking folders in nautilus
21:06.32scanlinedouble-middle-clicking?
21:06.41ChipX86opening a new folder and closing the current window
21:12.49TDyes
21:12.55TDhuge flamewar on ubuntu-devel about it
21:13.25ChipX86it's stupid
21:13.27ChipX86and I can't disable it
21:13.28TDcalls for votes etc
21:13.29TDvery messy
21:13.31TDChipX86: there is a gconf key
21:13.34ChipX86ah
21:13.37ChipX86still, stupid
21:13.37TDbut it's incredibly stupid
21:13.46TDand i think it reflects diseased thinking in distro developers minds
21:13.57TDthe guy who made that change did it days before the release, without any discussion
21:14.02TDhe just decided he was right, and went ahead and did it
21:14.16TDthis is the same guy who told hadess not to make an autopackage because it was so vital that distros be able to "integrate" stuff
21:14.39TDhe seems to believe that they should be able to interpret the linux desktop as they see fit, according to their own personal tastes
21:17.32cwistyso scanline I'm adding you to this list for LAN, you gonna be on our "needs to be picked up" list?
21:17.46CIA-5autopackage: 03mike * 10autopackage/main/ (ChangeLog share/apkg-funclib): Break out of gtkfe download loop on success
21:18.10scanlinecwisty: yes. I've carried this machine to campus before, but I was in Aden at the time... it was hard enough then ;)
21:18.20scanlineer, to the engineering center
21:18.31cwistyso I take that as a no
21:18.43scanlineer
21:18.47scanlineno, I could use a ride
21:19.42purple_cowcwisty: i'm planning to stop by the party, but i'm just going to bring my laptop, and i probably won't be there the whole time, so don't allocate table space for me :)
21:20.03cwistyOK
21:20.09cwistydone and done
21:20.22cwistyhaha dork
21:20.40pagefaultholy crap
21:20.41pagefaultnew ATI drivers
21:20.42pagefaultfor linux
21:20.53pagefault<PROTECTED>
21:20.53pagefaultwow
21:20.57pagefaultthis can't be real
21:21.10cwistypurple_cow what's your e-mail?
21:21.59purple_cowtrowbrds@cs
21:22.22ChipX86I have some fun info for you guys that i just learned today
21:22.37ChipX86it's not secret or anything, just not public, because it's ridiculous
21:22.42cwistythanks
21:23.12ChipX86have any of you wondered where the names GSX and ESX come from, or what they mean?
21:23.21file[laptop]I did once
21:23.26scanlineyes
21:23.33ChipX86they don't stand for anything
21:23.45ChipX86back in the dot-com days, VMware hired a company to come up with names for their two new products
21:24.11ChipX86the company came up with GroundStorm and ElasticSky
21:24.17scanlinehaha
21:24.19ChipX86VMware found them stupid
21:24.28file[laptop]O.o
21:24.31ChipX86but kept the GS and ES initials, and appended an X
21:24.39scanlinethat's nuts
21:24.42purple_cowhehe, ElasticSky
21:24.43ChipX86:)
21:25.06purple_cowhow much did vmware pay for that?
21:25.21ChipX86I asked. Regis said "Don't ask."
21:25.29scanlinewow
21:25.56ChipX86why?
21:26.00scanlinehehe
21:26.04cwistycan't come up with their own product names?
21:26.17cwistybet they couldda been better and cost nada in house
21:26.39purple_cowit's a long standing tradition to outsource that
21:26.40scanlineI'm sure they would have had better results just holding a product name contest among their whole staff
21:26.51ChipX86this was the .com days
21:26.59ChipX86it was common
21:27.04purple_cowlike how lucent was calling their wireless cards "wavelan" (which was a fantastic name), and then they hired some company to come up with "orinoco" (which is stupid)
21:27.05ChipX86we do our own now
21:27.16ChipX86but back then, there weren't more thna a few dozen employees
21:27.55ChipX86er, wallpaper
21:28.08scanlineyou have ws5 wallpapers?
21:28.13ChipX86I'm making one! :)
21:28.17scanlinehehe
21:28.18ChipX86for fun
21:28.43scanlineyay, the ubuntu hoary rc comes with python 2.4
21:28.50scanlinesilly 2.3-using distros...
21:29.48pagefaultyeah
21:29.56pagefaultwee
21:29.59pagefaultubuntu is sexy
21:30.30scanlinebleh
21:30.50scanlineI'm sick of messing with EDA tools. I should just wander over to spacegrant and do some design on paper rather than waiting on protel to use up all my RAM
21:33.12TDChipX86: hah, that's a great story
21:33.16TDGroundStorm VM!
21:33.21TD*crack of lightening*
21:33.36TD"You'll never get us Magneto!"
21:33.52kergothhah
21:38.38scanlineI've been down here for oh so many years
21:46.38ChipX86deliver the flowers!
21:46.40ChipX86:(
21:46.49ChipX86it's only 2:45, I shouldn't worry
21:47.01file[laptop]ChipX86: you make me happy!
21:47.03TDflowers?
21:47.04ChipX86but last time she got them by 12 :(
21:47.15ChipX86TD: sent Jamie these: http://www.blossomflorists.com/product/41-2.htm?cart=979a0e2b9f500429089bdd1886b5d457
21:47.39TDawwww :)
21:47.49TDyoung love
21:47.52TDain't it sweet
21:47.55ChipX86:P
21:47.55file[laptop]quite
21:48.40TDChipX86: yeah well i'll be the one :p ing you when i meet my dream girl ;)
21:48.49ChipX86:)
21:48.52ChipX86hope you do soon
21:49.38ChipX86I'm doing the screenshots for the WS5 linux release
21:51.19TDChipX86: cool
21:51.29TDChipX86: expect $X to be winging its way to you soon
21:51.43TDcontacts are weird
21:51.54ChipX86?
21:51.55TDthey seemed fine yesterday but today, for some reason, my vision with them isn't as good
21:51.58TDmaybe me eyes are just tired
21:52.06ChipX86$x?
21:52.14TDChipX86: for however much a copy of VMware costs
21:52.18ChipX86oh
21:52.50CIA-5navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7729 10fyre/src/PipelineDrawing.cs: use DarkGC[Prelight] to temporarily give better contrast, don't mask at all
21:52.56ChipX86wonder if I can make this WS5 wallpaper public
21:55.14TDit's a wallpaper
21:55.16TDof course you can
21:55.27TDnobody, in the history of the universe, has ever got into trouble for releasing a wallpaper
21:55.37TDunless it was an actual wallpaper made of money, or something
21:55.52ChipX86but this is vmware! It's scary here! They beat you senseless for having an idea!
21:55.57numist....
21:55.58file[laptop]oh no!
21:55.58TDlol
21:56.02ChipX86not really
21:56.07file[laptop]didn't think so
21:56.45ChipX86scanline fell for the new hire fake building that we rent, though. We really work in the back of some grocery store
21:56.56TDheh
21:57.03ChipX8637 mins for this winxp install. brb, kitchen
21:58.40file[laptop]ChipX86: what's that thing you use on your Windows PVR again
21:59.57ChipX86the M&Ms drawer has nestle crunch bars now
22:00.02ChipX86file[laptop]: MediaPortal.sf.net
22:03.36file[laptop]thx
22:03.58ChipX86feel like sleeping while this installs
22:04.02ChipX86we need to buy our couch
22:06.39cwistyspacegrant needs a couch . . .
22:07.01ChipX86heh
22:07.05ChipX86well we have couches, I just mean for my office
22:07.16ChipX86lucky bastard
22:07.43*** join/#tacobeam pagefault (~pagefault@HSE-Montreal-ppp135080.qc.sympatico.ca)
22:08.33lurgyomygosh it's cwisty
22:08.43file[laptop]yay lurgy
22:08.44cwistylurgy!
22:08.45file[laptop]hi pagefault
22:08.51pagefaulthello file
22:08.53pagefaultwhat is up
22:08.56pagefaultwee
22:09.01pagefaulthmm
22:09.01file[laptop]nada, u?
22:09.03pagefaultsilly drivers
22:09.11pagefaulttrying to get latest drivers installed and working
22:09.18file[laptop]thwap them
22:09.41TDoooh
22:09.45TDanother new game using autopackage. neta
22:09.46TDneat
22:09.51ChipX86which?
22:09.54TDseems it's really taking off in the open source gaming community
22:10.00ChipX86I can see that
22:10.05ChipX86it's a good target
22:10.12TDwell, we already have supertux, netpanzer, openttd (transport tycoon clone), crack attack and lincity
22:10.12pagefaultwell at least 2d is like 2x faster in these new drivers
22:10.17TDand soon http://scourge.sourceforge.net/main.html
22:10.31TDit's not available for download yet but he seems to have already made the package ...
22:10.31ChipX86uh oh, my chocolate's melting on my instruction sheet
22:10.46pagefaultthese drivers bring my whole system down
22:11.16pagefaultinvalid opcode
22:11.35cwistyHOT!
22:11.38cwistyhot potato
22:12.47ChipX86ooh
22:12.52ChipX86I should try longhonr
22:12.55ChipX86longhorn
22:13.26file[laptop]resist!
22:13.59lurgyhehe
22:13.59lurgymm
22:14.00ChipX86I hear it sucks in a VM
22:14.03lurgyhot potatoes are the best kind
22:14.15ChipX86but that was back when we had no 3D acceleration
22:14.17ChipX86so maybe it's better now
22:14.29cwistythanks lurgy
22:15.04ChipX86ok, going to call the florist
22:15.38ChipX86I'm sure they delivered it
22:15.38scanlineyay, potato
22:15.44ChipX86hope they did. hrm.
22:16.00lurgyhmm
22:16.03ChipX86the receipt said today. They've been in business in Chico for 30 years..
22:16.09pagefault:////////////
22:16.11ChipX86yeah it's probably fine.
22:16.14pagefaultthey reboot my system'
22:16.14ChipX86I should call them
22:16.15lurgyscanline: how do permissions work in this new squashfs thing?
22:16.29ChipX86pagefault: ?
22:16.34pagefaultnew ati drivers
22:16.43scanlinelurgy: it doesn't do writes yet, you have to write to the individual disks still
22:16.43ChipX86ack
22:16.48lurgyscanline: i know
22:16.56pagefaultnot sure why
22:17.00ChipX86crap!!
22:17.01lurgyscanline: i need permission in the individual disks
22:17.03lurgyyay
22:17.03ChipX86I gave the wrong city
22:17.10ChipX86still, it says Butte College. They must know.
22:17.14ChipX86I'm an idiot.
22:17.30ChipX86argh
22:17.34kergoth~fishslap ChipX86
22:17.36jbotACTION slaps ChipX86 up side the head with a wet fish.
22:17.46ChipX86I said Chico
22:17.50ChipX86Butte College is *technically* in Oroville
22:18.07scanlinelurgy: try now
22:18.33lurgystill no
22:19.08lurgyat least not in /navi/01/media/audio/composers/Stevens_Halsey
22:19.26scanlineyou mean /mnt/navi?
22:19.37lurgyer
22:19.38lurgyyes
22:19.51lurgyoops O:-)
22:19.55scanlineoh, these have sticky bits
22:20.18scanlinehow about now?
22:20.43lurgysweet
22:20.44lurgythanks scanline :)
22:20.49lurgyall good now
22:21.13scanlinenp
22:23.27purple_cow@(*#&%(*&(*~&%#!
22:23.28kbotpurple_cow: Error: "(*#&%(*&(*~&%#!" is not a valid command.
22:23.37purple_cowWHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY USE A COOKED DATA TYPE TO REPRESENT BINARY DATA?!?!?!?!
22:24.31ChipX86meh, been on hold for 6 mins with no person answering
22:24.48purple_cowmaybe today's a floral holiday
22:25.19ChipX86:/
22:27.44pagefaulthmm
22:27.48pagefaultubuntu RC is out
22:28.05TDi can't believe they shipped an RC with that sucky spatial nautilus change in
22:29.00pagefaulta what now?
22:29.06ChipX86yeah, I'm pissed about that
22:31.16pagefaultusing the browser?
22:31.20TDno
22:31.25TDthey hacked spatial mode to automatically close the last window
22:31.39pagefaultoh
22:31.40TDso there's no obvious way unless you think to middle-double-click (!!) to copy files between folders
22:31.53pagefaultI use browser view mode
22:31.55pagefaultso I wouldn't know
22:32.07scanlineI hate mathcad
22:32.45lurgymathcad is the only sick math language they haven't made me use yet ;)
22:33.21purple_cowmathematica, matlab, mathcad, spss...
22:33.32purple_cowbleh
22:33.42lurgyyeah
22:33.45scanlinecwisty and darth_mall understand this particular mathcad pain ;)
22:33.50lurgyhmm, i guess i haven't had to do spss yet
22:33.52lurgywhew
22:33.52scanlinepurple_cow: did they make you take 1140 too?
22:33.54lurgybut dammit
22:33.58cwistymathcad pain?
22:33.59lurgyIDL makes me nauseous
22:34.07purple_cowscanline: yeah. i had credit for the lectures but not the lab
22:34.11scanlinecwisty: I'm doing a lab writeup
22:34.12cwistywhat lab you doing?
22:34.19cwistyI need to do 2 more
22:34.20cwistyug
22:34.21scanline04, the laser diffraction lab
22:34.26cwistydamnit
22:34.27scanlineI should do a mechanical lab next
22:34.32cwistyI turned in a prelab for O3 today
22:34.36cwistygonna do O5 too
22:34.46scanlineI should do O5 at some point, that one looked fun
22:34.53darth_mallewww... mathcad
22:35.12darth_mallspss?
22:35.20scanlineor I could be lazy and do another electrical lab ;)
22:35.21purple_cowdarth_mall: statistical analysis package
22:35.33darth_mallsounds like something I'd hate
22:35.40CIA-5spacegrant: 03maccarro * r1135 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): misc updates to the adcs rotation rate algorithms
22:36.00cwistywithout arcseconds though I can't do angular separation
22:36.04cwistycause I'm a tard
22:37.09lurgy:(
22:38.40cwistyand I like to make things more complicated than they are
22:38.55cwistyhaha
22:38.58cwistynice
22:39.05lurgyis there anything they can't do?
22:39.34lurgynot to be confused with an arcwelder
22:40.20CIA-5autopackage: 03mike * 10autopackage/main/TODO: update todo
22:40.35scanlinewell, I want one of those too
22:40.49lurgyhehe
22:40.54lurgyi bet they could be combined into one
22:42.26lurgyyay for the gillinghham bass trombone sonata
22:42.27scanlineooh
22:42.53lurgya 2nd-rate composition in a sea of 3rd-rate compositions
22:44.47ChipX86uh oh
22:44.49ChipX86called
22:44.56ChipX86"Oh my gosh. Hang on one second. *on hold*"
22:45.43*** join/#tacobeam Samy (~samy@212.76.83.182)
22:45.51lurgyChipX86: you mean, 4'33"?
22:46.06purple_cowdarth_mall: uhhuh
22:46.40darth_mallyay
22:46.44darth_mallcouple questions
22:46.58darth_mall1) connections between pads are 1 way, right?
22:47.58purple_cowthat's the plan
22:48.30darth_mallso we only need to maintain info about what pad(s) a pad is connected to, not what pad(s) are connected to it
22:49.19ChipX86they fucked it up
22:49.55ChipX86not happy
22:51.14pagefaultugh
22:51.15darth_mallI hope that the give you some kind of compensation
22:51.20purple_cowdarth_mall: i think that'll work for now
22:51.23darth_mall(this is about the flowers, right?)
22:51.23ChipX86they're refunding the delivery fee
22:51.24pagefaultI think this driver was compiled for SSE2 computers
22:51.28ChipX86but they said they have to deliver it at home
22:51.32purple_cowif we need to go the other direction for some reason (maybe during compilation) we can change it
22:51.33pagefaultdamn
22:51.38ChipX86which is bad, because nobody will be home until night
22:51.38pagefaultI knew it was too good to be true
22:52.13darth_mallpurple_cow: ok, next question: inputs don't have any outgoing connections to other pads, do they? that should only be output pads, right?
22:52.35TDChipX86: you ever played transport tycoon?
22:52.39ChipX86nope
22:52.45TDoh man
22:52.46TDit is the best game ever
22:52.47purple_cowdarth_mall: that's why they're called inputs :P
22:53.00ChipX86TD: WoW
22:53.09TDimagine a cross between sim city, theme park, civ III and other stuff
22:53.11darth_mallpurple_cow: heh... just making sure ;)
22:53.17TDactually that's a rubbish explanation
22:53.27TDChipX86: yeah yeah, WoW is a mere wannabe compared to the glory of TT
22:53.29TDlook at it this way
22:53.42TDis WoW so great that a team of open source hackers made a pixel perfect clone of it ?
22:53.45TDno
22:53.46TDi rest my case
22:53.49darth_mallor maybe!
22:53.55ChipX86fucking.. grrr.. I'm getting in such a bad mood right now. Everything's crashing, flowers aren't delivered..
22:54.08purple_cowgoddamnit. my xchat-gnome must be acting up
22:54.25purple_cowi haven't been able to get a response from *anyone* in either #mono or #blendercoders for a week
22:54.36TDhttp://www.familie-kirchhofer.de/openttd/autopackage/
22:58.01scanlinewhy is undo in mathcad so flaky?
22:58.02darth_mallTD: what's that?
22:58.31TDtransport tycoon dude
22:58.32scanlineI mean, maybe I'm asking too much when I assume that clicking 'undo' would actaully, you know, undo a change
22:58.35TDbest. game. ever.
22:59.16darth_mallscanline: yeah... that's asking waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much
22:59.18ChipX86bah, now I can't even reach the person I talked to 5 mins ago
22:59.36ChipX86the same phone number goes to a few different places
22:59.41darth_mallscanline: next you're going to be expecting that your document persist after you quit just because you clicked 'save'
23:00.50scanlinedarth_mall: yeah
23:02.00darth_mallwell that's just plain silly
23:02.19cwistybrb
23:02.21*** part/#tacobeam cwisty (~default@ec237-139-dhcp.colorado.edu)
23:05.56ChipX86feh. this company lost my business.
23:06.07ChipX86I'll get a refund tomorrow. For now, I'm ordering new flowers.
23:07.31ChipX86can't exactly do it myself
23:07.38ChipX86you may not understand, but the girls do
23:08.05ChipX86which is why we do it
23:08.33scanlineoh, I understand that they like flower arrangements and such.. it just seems very minimally personal
23:08.42darth_mallI would love it if some hot girl sent me flowers for no reason ^^
23:09.13ChipX86it's the thought and the ordering and sending something beautiful for the girl. Putting it together is not too important. It's like taking a girl to a nice restaurant. You don't cook the food and prepare the drinks
23:09.51scanlinethat's a good analogy. They're both enjoyable I'm sure, but I'd have a lot more fun cooking for a girl than taking them to a restaurant
23:10.16darth_mallscanline: yeah, but you can't spend an hour cooking on the spur of the moment in the middle of the day when you're at work ;)
23:10.56scanlineor can you!
23:11.09ChipX86I can't :/
23:11.11darth_mallwell... if I could find a job where I could, I'd be so extremely happy
23:11.13scanlineChipX86: you need to bring a wok to vmware
23:11.24darth_mallI think it has something to do with the circumstances
23:11.55darth_mallif it was a weekend, and her birthday, and ChipX86 was around, and all he could be bothered to do was send some flowers, it would be pretty crappy
23:12.15scanlinetrue
23:12.29darth_mallbut if there's nothing special, then there's no expectation, and even something as uninvolved as paying someone to arrange some flowers and deliver them is great
23:12.45scanlineI guess that makes sense
23:12.55darth_mallkind of like getting a call in the middle of the day from someone just because they were thinking of you
23:13.08ChipX86that's such a good feeling
23:13.11darth_mall^^
23:13.13ChipX86wish I could call Jamie at work
23:13.20darth_mallI'll call her for you!
23:13.26darth_mallthen you can type messages here and I'll relay them!
23:13.32ChipX86she's getting DSL in a few days :) I asked her what the first thing she's going to do will be. She said, "Message you."
23:13.43darth_malllol
23:13.50darth_mallChipX86 is a lucky fellow ^^
23:14.41darth_mallhehehe... cwisty is explaining to this guy what's wrong with his balloon sat
23:14.44darth_mallit's pretty funny
23:15.37scanlinehehe
23:15.40scanlinewish I was there
23:15.57scanlineI wasn't expecting to come to the physics lab.. realized on my way to campus that I forgot to do this lab that was due yesterday
23:17.16scanlinewhat sort of balloon sat is this one?
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23:19.47ChipX86the ClearLooks progress bars rock
23:20.02darth_mallscanline: dunno
23:20.15darth_mallChipX86: =D
23:23.53ChipX86http://www.ftd.com/522/catalog/product.epl?product_id=BH
23:24.53scanlineyay, done just in time for them to kick me out of the lab
23:26.14CIA-5navi-misc: 03evan * r7730 10fyre/src/Element.cs: Set up some properties in the Pad class.
23:35.05CIA-5navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7731 10fyre/ (7 files in 2 dirs): work around bad API by including our cursor bitmaps as PNGs, loading them as Gdk.Pixbufs, rendering the alpha channels to Gdk.Pixmaps and then creating our Gdk.Cursors. BLAH
23:35.24pagefaultI am under the impression these ati drivers are not compatible with athlon xp's
23:41.58cwistyanyone got one of those CU student cupon books laying around, the black one?
23:47.57purple_cowyay for finally having a cursor that matches the drag behavior
23:49.03CIA-5navi-misc: 03jupiter * r7732 10fyre/src/ElementList.cs: get rid of debug output, add a FIXME
23:55.24lurgyhmm
23:55.49lurgyit's a shame muine doesn't seem to work to well for classical stuff..

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