| 00:00.18 | kergoth | well, i cant do anything without the ability to connect to ubernet. sophie is on right now, maybe she can get the email address from them |
| 00:02.42 | kergoth | i dunno why they wouldnt have that on the site, unless they've closed membership, or want new members to get sponsored or something |
| 00:02.55 | numist | well sponsor meeee :P |
| 00:03.28 | Veight{away} | kergoth with the ranting about stuff people ignore again... :P |
| 00:04.10 | kergoth | Veight{away}: uh, a number of people in here are interested in ubernet, and at least 2 of us are on it. |
| 00:04.15 | numist | 432 MB.. dear god |
| 00:04.30 | numist | guess I should go home and get that instead |
| 00:04.33 | Veight{away} | kergoth: i stand corrected |
| 00:04.43 | pagefault | burp |
| 00:04.44 | pagefault | good pizza |
| 00:06.01 | pagefault | kergoth, do you know if there is any game music on ubernet? |
| 00:06.12 | file[laptop] | Veight{away}: get to bed! |
| 00:06.40 | kergoth | pagefault: if its been officially released, not amateur or cdr, then it could be. they're quite strict about what's allowed to be ripped. |
| 00:07.28 | pagefault | ah |
| 00:07.28 | pagefault | well |
| 00:07.30 | pagefault | it's a big album |
| 00:07.34 | pagefault | but I can't find it anywhere |
| 00:07.38 | pagefault | final fantasy symphonic suite |
| 00:07.41 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:07.47 | kergoth | dunno, would have to check |
| 00:13.09 | pagefault | to play WoW or not |
| 00:19.52 | file[laptop] | pagefault: it'll consume your productivity |
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| 00:24.56 | numist | ugh this fellow needs a clue |
| 00:24.59 | numist | someone hand me my bat |
| 00:30.09 | Sophie197 | I'm back |
| 00:30.21 | Sophie197 | I was chopping up a food & wine magazine. |
| 00:31.27 | Sophie197 | kergoth: I don't use the site |
| 00:31.48 | Sophie197 | so it makes no nevermind to me if it sucks. |
| 00:35.33 | Sophie197 | however, I will feel your pain, for all the good it does ya. |
| 00:36.26 | *** part/#tacobeam cwisty (n=Christy@pool-68-239-121-175.res.east.verizon.net) |
| 00:37.38 | kergoth | Sophie197: well, neither did i, but numist here wants to get access, and there's absolutely no info on the site on how to do that anymore. |
| 00:38.00 | Sophie197 | oh |
| 00:38.01 | kergoth | no email address to send the puns/logs to get access to the training hub, like there used to be |
| 00:38.03 | Sophie197 | yeah |
| 00:39.20 | Sophie197 | I had it in my mail before thunderbird freaked out and erased all my mail |
| 00:42.11 | Sophie197 | just send 'em to uber@ubernet.org |
| 00:42.21 | Sophie197 | in a zip or rar or whateva. |
| 00:42.39 | kergoth | thanks sophie |
| 00:42.55 | Sophie197 | np doll |
| 00:44.06 | Sophie197 | yay numist, joining ubernet! |
| 00:48.38 | kergoth | yay indeed |
| 00:48.41 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 00:48.45 | jbot | I didn't know there was a 5 A.M. mass. I didn't even know there was a 5 A.M. What else haven't you told me!? |
| 00:51.03 | numist | fuck, bluefish is dead |
| 00:51.06 | ChipX86 | kergoth: does ubermovies have tv series? |
| 00:51.09 | numist | Sophie197: I need an email or something |
| 00:51.16 | kergoth | ChipX86: yep. i started ripping my zim and quantum leap |
| 00:51.26 | ChipX86 | kergoth: can you look for KakuRenBo? |
| 00:51.37 | kergoth | i dont have ubermovie or ubernet set up in linux yet. |
| 00:51.40 | ChipX86 | oh ok |
| 00:51.45 | numist | Sophie197: who do I credit? |
| 00:51.47 | kergoth | i'm all lacking access to spiffy media |
| 00:51.50 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 00:51.53 | ChipX86 | ok. bbs |
| 00:56.16 | Sophie197 | numist: you can credit both of us, or just kergoth, it's up to you |
| 00:56.43 | numist | do I need to know usernames? |
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| 01:00.57 | Sophie197 | numist: mine's Sophie197, kergoth's is kergoth |
| 01:01.02 | kergoth | shocking. |
| 01:01.43 | numist | right |
| 01:01.51 | kergoth | :) |
| 01:04.54 | numist | fuck my dualie died |
| 01:04.58 | numist | what the hell is going on |
| 01:08.09 | numist | thanks |
| 01:08.18 | numist | two video cards and an entire workstation gave up the ghost this weekend |
| 01:08.22 | numist | as well as my mom's cat |
| 01:22.40 | numist | hrm |
| 01:22.43 | numist | ChipX86: poke |
| 01:24.27 | numist | never min... |
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| 01:34.43 | file[lap1op] | pagefault: Aliant is broken again |
| 01:36.18 | pagefault | haha |
| 01:36.41 | file[lap1op] | ping times to the internal nameserver, 120ms |
| 01:36.47 | file[lap1op] | dropped packets too |
| 01:37.02 | pagefault | yeah |
| 01:37.03 | pagefault | let me check me |
| 01:37.18 | pagefault | mine is still good |
| 01:37.26 | file[lap1op] | I'm gonna call just for kicks |
| 01:48.09 | *** join/#tacobeam file[laptop] (n=jcolp@mctnnbsa31w-142166118032.nb.aliant.net) |
| 01:56.18 | kergoth | ~emulate peter |
| 01:56.20 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, emulate peter is ... |
| 01:56.25 | kergoth | .. |
| 01:56.27 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 01:56.30 | kergoth | ~emulate stewie |
| 01:56.32 | jbot | I come bearing a gift. I'll give you a hint. It's in my diaper, and it's not a toaster. |
| 01:56.34 | file[laptop] | ~emulate lois |
| 01:56.41 | file[laptop] | :\ |
| 01:58.16 | kergoth | mm |
| 02:00.22 | file[laptop] | I'd open that, except I can't |
| 02:00.36 | kergoth | right then |
| 02:03.25 | file[laptop] | well that was mighty coincidental |
| 02:32.09 | purple_cow | woo! |
| 02:32.12 | purple_cow | all the seeds are washed |
| 02:32.33 | purple_cow | now all i have to do is give the ones left in the colander a quick drying run in the toaster and pack them in containers |
| 02:48.06 | kergoth | fuck you comcast. |
| 02:48.08 | kergoth | fuck you. |
| 02:48.21 | purple_cow | ooh |
| 02:48.24 | purple_cow | http://www.danlepard.com/ |
| 02:52.55 | darth_mall | that is some seriously tasty looking bread |
| 02:54.01 | purple_cow | darth_mall: i dunno if you saw the IM - your camera is here |
| 02:55.56 | darth_mall | I did |
| 02:55.57 | darth_mall | thanks |
| 02:58.57 | darth_mall | ow |
| 02:59.38 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 03:00.43 | kergoth | purple_cow: http://kergoth.com/files/Career/resume.pdf .. there's a .odt there as well, if you like that style. |
| 03:03.43 | purple_cow | kergoth: taking an awful long time loading... |
| 03:06.40 | *** join/#tacobeam kergoth (n=kergoth@mail.astrocorp.com) |
| 03:07.23 | purple_cow | kergoth: there are some weird spacing issues with that... |
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| 03:16.02 | scanlime | sigh |
| 03:16.54 | kergoth_ | sigh indeed |
| 03:20.28 | file[laptop] | hi scanlime |
| 03:20.39 | *** join/#tacobeam cwisty (n=Christy@pool-68-239-121-175.res.east.verizon.net) |
| 03:21.02 | purple_cow | wow, it's cwisty |
| 03:21.58 | cwisty | hello hello |
| 03:22.12 | cwisty | love the jack-o-lanterns |
| 03:22.16 | cwisty | very cool |
| 03:22.37 | purple_cow | :) |
| 03:25.03 | hardwire | taco |
| 03:32.38 | nullpuppy | "I voted. i guessed right four out of five times" |
| 03:34.01 | *** topic/#tacobeam by purple_cow -> http://david.navi.cx/images/jack-o-lanterns.jpeg || http://david.navi.cx/images/more-jack-o-lanterns.jpeg |
| 03:35.00 | cwisty | nice! |
| 03:35.49 | purple_cow | we had lots of fun on friday :) |
| 03:35.53 | cwisty | I can see that |
| 03:35.58 | cwisty | awesome stuff! |
| 03:38.40 | darth_mall | goddammit this guy is doing some weird stuff in his code |
| 03:39.10 | cwisty | hi darth_mall |
| 03:40.47 | purple_cow | there we go, all the photos |
| 03:40.48 | purple_cow | http://zero.navi.cx/gallery/pumpkins-2005 |
| 03:41.00 | darth_mall | hi cwisty |
| 03:41.37 | cwisty | thanks purple_cow |
| 03:41.40 | cwisty | hey darth_mall |
| 03:41.42 | cwisty | what's new? |
| 03:44.08 | darth_mall | nothing |
| 03:57.17 | darth_mall | Jennifer Connolly is so hot |
| 03:58.02 | cwisty | so nothing new |
| 04:10.19 | *** part/#tacobeam cwisty (n=Christy@pool-68-239-121-175.res.east.verizon.net) |
| 04:10.22 | kergoth_ | .. |
| 04:34.54 | *** join/#tacobeam kergoth_ (n=kergoth@c-24-118-219-25.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 04:37.21 | kergoth | grr. |
| 04:54.47 | *** join/#tacobeam kergoth_ (n=kergoth@mail.astrocorp.com) |
| 04:55.11 | purple_cow | poor kergoth |
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| 04:58.13 | purple_cow | hi lurgy! |
| 04:58.45 | lurgy | hi purple_cow! |
| 04:58.51 | purple_cow | how's life? |
| 04:59.01 | lurgy | full of |
| 04:59.02 | lurgy | uh |
| 04:59.03 | lurgy | recitals |
| 04:59.04 | lurgy | you? |
| 04:59.12 | purple_cow | meh |
| 04:59.23 | lurgy | yeah |
| 04:59.24 | lurgy | i agree |
| 05:00.17 | lurgy | :) |
| 05:01.16 | lurgy | blah |
| 05:01.18 | lurgy | homework |
| 05:13.10 | lurgy | "i remember you from high school.. i believe you barfed in my tuba!" |
| 05:13.22 | purple_cow | "this dish enjoyed by margaret thatcher, the iron lady, prepared for this competition against the iron chef..." |
| 05:13.35 | lurgy | "i believe it was the SCHOOL's tuba" |
| 05:18.05 | purple_cow | ooh, google logo |
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| 05:25.27 | Veight | hello |
| 05:25.39 | kergoth | hey |
| 05:25.43 | kergoth | its monday tomorrow :(( |
| 05:26.07 | Veight | yeah and i have 5 hours asleeep and i have 6 hours till school.... |
| 05:26.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:46.19 | laodamas | Unpleasant flavor experience #130: eating feta cheese without realizing that it has transmuted into bleu cheese |
| 05:46.27 | darth_mall | heh |
| 05:46.54 | darth_mall | I wanna be the guy who makes the google logos |
| 05:51.05 | purple_cow | that's gotta be an awesome job |
| 05:51.21 | purple_cow | iirc that's really all that their original artist does anymore |
| 05:52.12 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9144 10xchat-gnome/buildsystem.diff: bump again |
| 05:55.21 | darth_mall | good idea |
| 05:56.35 | purple_cow | oh yikes |
| 05:56.40 | purple_cow | our requirements doc is due on the 2nd |
| 05:56.51 | darth_mall | uhoh |
| 05:58.33 | laodamas | requirements are for chumps and jack-o-lantern munching squirrels |
| 06:00.53 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r477 10docs/requirements/ (. Makefile requirements.tex): add basic framework |
| 06:00.55 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 06:00.58 | purple_cow | i do love that photo |
| 06:01.33 | darth_mall | yay Futurama |
| 06:02.08 | darth_mall | filmed on location! |
| 06:09.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:10.33 | darth_mall | hrm... so the problem I'm having with quodlibet is definitely just my computer |
| 06:14.39 | kergoth | weird |
| 06:14.42 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 06:14.43 | jbot | It'll be a good chance to get away from the evil monkey that lives in my closet. |
| 06:16.19 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 06:16.21 | jbot | (holding a rubber condom) Dad, they even have games you can play in the bathroom! Look, I won a balloon! |
| 06:18.59 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r478 10docs/requirements/ (. requirements.tex): some boilerplate text |
| 06:29.06 | Veight | ~emulate veight |
| 06:29.09 | Veight | meh i tried |
| 06:29.33 | Veight | hmm im gonna try to sleep for the other 5 hours i can have |
| 06:29.37 | Veight | later |
| 06:32.05 | darth_mall | sweet |
| 06:32.25 | darth_mall | my favorite episode of Family Guy |
| 06:33.36 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9145 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/ (Makefile.am fe-gnome.c preferences-dialog.c): make things work if someone is crazy enough to do --disable-plugin |
| 06:35.29 | purple_cow | bang a gong, we are on! |
| 06:35.32 | purple_cow | i loves this show |
| 06:36.53 | kergoth | mm, m&ms |
| 06:39.34 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9146 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/textgui.c: maybe fix a segfault. dunno since i've never seen it before |
| 06:50.28 | lurgy | hehe |
| 06:50.37 | lurgy | i think i just saw the one redeeming episode of the 16th season of the simpsons |
| 07:00.38 | purple_cow | darth_mall: any ideas? http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318701 -- i can reproduce |
| 07:01.25 | darth_mall | purple_cow: I do have a couple of vague theories, but I haven't actually looked at the code to nail it down |
| 07:01.52 | darth_mall | how important is it to you to have it fixed? |
| 07:03.55 | purple_cow | nothing urgent. probably before 0.7, but who knows when that'll be |
| 07:07.12 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r479 10docs/requirements/requirements.tex: bunch of empty sections |
| 07:17.14 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9147 10xchat-gnome/fe-gnome/navigation-tree.c: fix a potential crasher when context menuing on a unconnected server. also fix some crazy-ass ws |
| 07:50.12 | purple_cow | hahahaha, awesome |
| 07:50.20 | purple_cow | pysexy bindings are in bmg |
| 07:50.41 | purple_cow | galago and libnotify too |
| 07:57.29 | purple_cow | this is bad for me |
| 07:57.51 | purple_cow | bmg has gnome 2.13, which i'm almost positive is going to break my only working general-purpose computer |
| 07:58.50 | *** part/#tacobeam JeffM2501 (n=jeffm@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501) |
| 08:13.20 | lurgy | hmmmmmmk |
| 08:13.22 | lurgy | bedtime |
| 08:14.52 | scanlime | blah |
| 08:16.00 | hardwire | I don't wanna go to bed |
| 08:16.14 | hardwire | but installing on this qube2 is making me sooo sleeepy |
| 08:26.27 | purple_cow | scanlime: back home? |
| 08:38.48 | scanlime | yup |
| 08:39.07 | scanlime | the text editor on my phone exports things in UTF-16 for some reason :P |
| 08:39.15 | scanlime | and with CRLF line endings |
| 08:39.36 | scanlime | so I had to open it with gedit after adding extra encodings, then when I pasted it into gmail it still managed to add extra linebreaks |
| 08:39.40 | scanlime | oh well |
| 08:40.59 | scanlime | =D |
| 08:41.01 | scanlime | I need to make pie |
| 08:41.06 | scanlime | I should do that this week |
| 08:41.20 | scanlime | just need more butter, some fruit, and some tools |
| 08:41.28 | scanlime | well, a lot of tools |
| 08:41.54 | purple_cow | well, a few tools |
| 08:42.01 | purple_cow | mostly you just need the pastry blender and the pie plate |
| 08:42.14 | scanlime | the brush looked important ;) |
| 08:42.26 | scanlime | well |
| 08:42.30 | scanlime | the rolling pin actually... |
| 08:42.36 | purple_cow | err, yeah, rolling pin too |
| 08:42.38 | scanlime | I could probably improvise a way to roll out the dough |
| 08:42.41 | purple_cow | brush you can live without |
| 08:42.46 | scanlime | but a rolling pin would be muchly nicedr |
| 08:42.56 | scanlime | nooooo.. the brush is essential |
| 08:43.08 | purple_cow | if you're doing an open pie, weights are pretty important, but you can use dry beans instead |
| 08:43.15 | purple_cow | haha |
| 08:43.25 | purple_cow | the egg wash is totally cosmetic |
| 08:43.30 | scanlime | nod |
| 08:43.57 | scanlime | so.. in the pie we did, would it have helped to cook the fruit separately beforehand, to soften it a bit and let the juices reduce? |
| 08:44.47 | purple_cow | not really |
| 08:44.58 | scanlime | hmm |
| 08:45.01 | scanlime | cornstarch? |
| 08:45.02 | purple_cow | i'd have done this: |
| 08:45.52 | purple_cow | macerate the apples alone, for an hour or so, then add the strawberries right before filling the pie, and if there was too much juice, strain it, add a little cornstarch, and cook it down into a syrup |
| 08:46.24 | purple_cow | the problem is that the strawberries macerated down into a juicy mush, while the apples were still quite firm |
| 08:46.52 | scanlime | nod |
| 08:47.22 | scanlime | I should prolly start with an apple pie.. then a banana pie... |
| 08:47.23 | purple_cow | the basic problem was that our two fruits had vastly different water content |
| 08:47.26 | scanlime | then I can combine my skills ;) |
| 08:47.29 | purple_cow | haha |
| 08:47.37 | purple_cow | you should prolly start by buying that book :) |
| 08:47.43 | scanlime | yeah |
| 08:47.56 | scanlime | but before that, I should go to bed |
| 08:47.57 | scanlime | tooooo tired |
| 08:48.07 | scanlime | it was a quick drive from the airport though |
| 08:48.09 | scanlime | not much traffic |
| 08:48.29 | scanlime | the way planes have to approach SFO really gives you a great view |
| 08:48.35 | purple_cow | it's missing some stuff (like pecan), but in general it's got enough info to put together any fruit or chiffon pie |
| 08:48.51 | scanlime | they kind of fly into the bay, far south of SF.. then head north along the bay for a while |
| 08:48.58 | scanlime | so you get a great view of the entire peninsula |
| 08:49.11 | scanlime | I'm sure I could see my house from there |
| 08:49.23 | scanlime | mmm, pecan |
| 08:51.30 | scanlime | those pumpkin pictures are great |
| 08:51.37 | scanlime | and I don't think I'm in any of them. No evidence :) |
| 08:52.07 | purple_cow | http://zero.navi.cx/gallery/pumpkins-2005/img_0912 |
| 08:52.33 | purple_cow | that's you |
| 08:52.39 | scanlime | oh |
| 08:52.41 | scanlime | so it is |
| 08:55.17 | scanlime | mwahaha.. kendra with a screwdriver and a ghost pumpkin |
| 08:55.20 | scanlime | what madness next? |
| 08:55.48 | scanlime | have you toasted any of the other pumpkin seeds yet? |
| 08:59.30 | purple_cow | i did a batch right after taking that photo (the ones in the bowl) |
| 09:02.29 | hardwire | ok |
| 09:03.03 | hardwire | this 150mhz MIPSEL is decoding an mp3 and playing an mp3.. as well as encoding the mp3 to ogg and sending it to its own ICECAST2 server |
| 09:03.13 | hardwire | 45% cpu for the process |
| 09:03.16 | hardwire | but still |
| 09:03.18 | hardwire | its 150mhz. |
| 09:03.21 | hardwire | you have to dig mips |
| 09:03.27 | hardwire | its got 32 megs of ram |
| 09:04.46 | purple_cow | MIPS is a very decent architecture |
| 09:05.14 | purple_cow | not great for super-fast processors, but high performance for low power |
| 09:05.59 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 09:06.24 | purple_cow | big difference between a 2-stick crust and a 1.625-stick crust |
| 09:07.11 | hardwire | mips is pretty impressive |
| 09:07.27 | hardwire | yeh the PII 350 I have set up to do this same thing is failing |
| 09:09.27 | hardwire | but the load on the PII 350 is like 1.2 most of the time |
| 09:09.33 | hardwire | the Qube2 is at 0.70 |
| 12:50.39 | file[laptop] | destroy mornings |
| 13:43.29 | *** join/#tacobeam pagefault (i=pagefaul@toronto-HSE-ppp4045104.sympatico.ca) |
| 14:11.27 | kergoth | file[laptop]: yes |
| 14:12.20 | pagefault | boo |
| 14:12.27 | pagefault | happy halloween |
| 14:13.35 | pagefault | probably from asterisk channel |
| 14:13.38 | pagefault | not from here |
| 14:15.03 | file[laptop] | maybe |
| 14:15.33 | kergoth | man, i need to try to get my resume down to 2 opages |
| 14:15.35 | kergoth | s/op/p/ |
| 14:16.31 | pagefault | hehe |
| 14:16.38 | file[laptop] | kergoth: randomly remove letters |
| 14:16.39 | pagefault | will work for food |
| 14:17.38 | file[laptop] | and bandwidth. |
| 14:17.38 | pagefault | is your DSL working again |
| 14:17.52 | file[laptop] | yes |
| 14:18.37 | file[laptop] | it's your fault it broke |
| 14:21.08 | pagefault | yes |
| 14:23.15 | file[laptop] | 10/31/2005 4:59:00 AM OUT FOR DELIVERY DIEPPE, NB CA :D |
| 14:23.15 | pagefault | mine better come |
| 14:23.34 | file[laptop] | or you will go insane and go on a killing spree? |
| 14:23.38 | pagefault | yes |
| 14:23.43 | pagefault | starting with you |
| 14:23.47 | pagefault | mwahaha |
| 14:23.54 | file[laptop] | you'll have to come here |
| 14:23.58 | file[laptop] | take in the sights first |
| 14:23.59 | file[laptop] | THEN kill me |
| 14:24.04 | pagefault | I know where you live |
| 14:24.23 | file[laptop] | I don't remember where you live, so you're safe |
| 14:24.31 | file[laptop] | lots and lots of turns |
| 14:24.55 | pagefault | hehe |
| 14:26.01 | file[laptop] | oh cool, just saw one of my friends rollerblade down the street |
| 14:26.11 | file[laptop] | going to work... at the call center! |
| 14:26.46 | pagefault | hehe |
| 14:26.47 | pagefault | for what |
| 14:26.55 | file[laptop] | meh who knows |
| 14:29.06 | pagefault | fun |
| 14:29.08 | pagefault | where |
| 14:29.30 | file[laptop] | hmm... Istanbul! |
| 14:29.45 | pagefault | ok |
| 14:29.49 | pagefault | that sounds good |
| 14:29.51 | pagefault | I like turkey |
| 14:29.53 | pagefault | tastes good |
| 14:30.13 | file[laptop] | I bet |
| 14:30.49 | file[laptop] | waiting bites |
| 14:32.01 | kergoth | hahaha |
| 14:32.05 | kergoth | i went to submit a resume to this company right |
| 14:32.11 | kergoth | guess their apache isnt configured right.. |
| 14:32.13 | kergoth | cause i hit submit |
| 14:32.21 | kergoth | and now i see their resume submission .py file in my browser |
| 14:32.32 | file[laptop] | ooh |
| 14:32.35 | kergoth | including the email address of the guy who the resumes go to when debugging is enabled |
| 14:32.38 | file[laptop] | going to hax0r them? |
| 14:32.38 | kergoth | ;) |
| 14:32.40 | pagefault | you can see what they look for now |
| 14:32.43 | kergoth | gonna email the guy |
| 14:33.42 | file[laptop] | kergoth: what's the job? |
| 14:35.06 | kergoth | the one i mentioned in here the other day. its a company that provides services and tools for creating custom linux distributions and stuff. the code is in python. they want me to work on the infrastructure. its essentially what i was doing with OE, it seems. |
| 14:36.13 | file[laptop] | ah |
| 14:38.25 | pagefault | ah neat |
| 14:38.29 | pagefault | autobuff minibutton |
| 14:38.31 | pagefault | thats new |
| 14:40.00 | pagefault | mmm |
| 14:40.01 | pagefault | eggo |
| 14:40.19 | pagefault | do they even have eggs in them |
| 14:40.21 | pagefault | they must |
| 14:41.03 | kergoth | pagefault: hehe, i hid the autobuff minibutton. I always ditch minibuttons that only exist for configuration. if i want to configure it, i can use the addons button (myaddons) in the main menu. buttons should be for toggling and/or opening things. |
| 14:41.29 | pagefault | yeah |
| 14:41.30 | pagefault | it's goofy |
| 14:46.12 | kergoth | also, that minibutton isnt on the minimap, its free floating, which is just odd. |
| 14:52.10 | pagefault | well |
| 14:52.16 | pagefault | I moved it |
| 14:52.23 | pagefault | it's probably designed to do that |
| 14:52.26 | pagefault | but he didn't have the code in |
| 14:53.43 | kergoth | nod |
| 14:54.23 | file[laptop] | kergoth: Odd Job Jack! |
| 15:03.34 | pagefault | hehe |
| 15:03.46 | pagefault | so |
| 15:03.47 | pagefault | what is on tv |
| 15:03.54 | file[laptop] | Seven Days on Spike |
| 15:05.03 | kergoth | i like that show |
| 15:14.57 | pagefault | thrall for president |
| 15:15.20 | pagefault | http://www.blizzcon.com/imageviewer.shtml?http://www.blizzcon.com/photos.shtml,/images/screenshots/,54,56,http://www.blizzcon.com/photos.shtml |
| 15:15.23 | pagefault | nice mage costume |
| 15:19.18 | pagefault | haha |
| 15:19.18 | pagefault | go to image 21 |
| 15:19.23 | pagefault | it's a gnome on a mount |
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| 16:00.55 | pagefault | macguyver |
| 16:35.10 | kergoth | morning Cae, lurgy |
| 16:41.28 | Cae | morning |
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| 17:04.53 | ChipX86 | holy crap, my laptop is still on and not dead |
| 17:06.54 | kergoth | grats! |
| 17:07.00 | Cae | lol |
| 17:07.20 | ChipX86 | it hasn't survived over-night since they replaced the motherboard |
| 17:07.30 | ChipX86 | it's of course doing this because the new one's arriving tomorrow or the day after |
| 17:07.49 | Cae|Away | naturally |
| 17:07.51 | Cae|Away | have fun :) |
| 17:08.02 | kergoth | foo. |
| 17:08.05 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 17:08.10 | jbot | It'll be a good chance to get away from the evil monkey that lives in my closet. |
| 17:08.10 | ChipX86 | aww, leaving already? |
| 17:08.38 | darth_mall | naughty dircproxy not logging to files the way I ask |
| 17:19.22 | darth_mall | oh jesus |
| 17:19.56 | darth_mall | Amer's going to give an example of taking lines of code from a function and moving them into their own method... |
| 17:25.29 | darth_mall | ooh... this is really useful... he's teaching us how to do it in eclipse |
| 17:30.50 | darth_mall | I hope he doesn't plan on spending the next 20 minutes teaching us how to cut and paste |
| 17:31.56 | file | darth_mall: it's a valuable life skill |
| 17:38.03 | scanlime | I love it when people send emails "with high importance" to a mailing list full of people who don't care |
| 17:39.19 | ChipX86 | hah, which? |
| 17:39.28 | scanlime | that sales update that got sent to mts |
| 17:39.47 | ChipX86 | weird, I don't have it yet |
| 17:40.34 | ChipX86 | ohh nm |
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| 17:40.52 | darth_mall | ugh |
| 17:41.02 | ChipX86 | yeah, us engineering people don't care a huge amount about sales |
| 17:41.25 | ChipX86 | "Have a great week selling!" man what a boring job :) |
| 17:42.05 | darth_mall | jesus christ |
| 17:42.12 | darth_mall | Amer's got a variable called theConstantToAdd |
| 17:42.16 | scanlime | ChipX86: yup |
| 17:42.22 | scanlime | darth_mall: ooh |
| 17:42.39 | scanlime | darth_mall: make sure he has a variable called theVariableWeLikeToAddConstantsToWhenWeFeelLikeIt |
| 17:42.53 | darth_mall | haha |
| 17:43.49 | ChipX86 | scanlime: see the post on fun-list about MS at VMworld |
| 17:44.25 | scanlime | yeah |
| 17:44.39 | ChipX86 | *they* were the hit? |
| 17:44.54 | scanlime | obviously |
| 17:44.55 | ChipX86 | one of the highlights is that Dianne wanted Virtual Server? |
| 17:44.57 | ChipX86 | geeze |
| 17:44.58 | ChipX86 | the arrogance |
| 17:45.53 | ChipX86 | oh, they were the highlight of HP's Tech World, not VMworld |
| 17:48.18 | scanlime | " print event |
| 17:48.18 | scanlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.18 | scanlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.22 | scanlime | damn you X |
| 17:48.29 | scanlime | " If We See You Driving A Honda, We Assume You Are Doing Well Financially |
| 17:48.30 | scanlime | And Therefore You Do Not Need A Raise." |
| 17:48.47 | ChipX86 | ? |
| 17:50.00 | scanlime | the "New HR policies" on fun-list |
| 17:50.29 | file | what kind of company does maintenance on their system, on a Monday morning? |
| 17:52.17 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 17:52.22 | ChipX86 | I love the thing about oragns |
| 17:52.24 | ChipX86 | er, organs |
| 17:52.48 | scanlime | wow, we're actually having a meeting today |
| 17:53.03 | ChipX86 | not all of Hosted I hope |
| 17:53.14 | scanlime | no, just ID |
| 17:53.17 | scanlime | oh, damnit |
| 17:53.19 | ChipX86 | cool |
| 17:53.20 | scanlime | it's not even 10:00 |
| 17:53.23 | ChipX86 | nope |
| 17:53.30 | scanlime | I forgot to change my alarm for daylight savings |
| 17:53.36 | scanlime | ended up at work at 9:30 instead of 10:30 |
| 17:53.37 | scanlime | damnit! |
| 17:53.41 | scanlime | no wonder the parking lot was so empty |
| 17:53.44 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 17:53.45 | scanlime | and I-280 was so full |
| 17:53.57 | ChipX86 | I'm going to use it as a way of getting to work earlier, I hope |
| 17:54.13 | ChipX86 | though I'm WFH today since I have guests |
| 17:59.46 | ChipX86 | and I'm so going to get sick as a result |
| 18:00.23 | scanlime | oh, sweet |
| 18:00.37 | scanlime | some of the changes I made last week to fix USB Audio are getting into titanium |
| 18:00.42 | ChipX86 | woot! |
| 18:00.45 | ChipX86 | congrats :) |
| 18:00.50 | scanlime | thanks |
| 18:01.01 | scanlime | ah, and they're alredy in |
| 18:01.05 | scanlime | chris crossported them after I left on Friday |
| 18:03.03 | file | titanium? sounds fancy |
| 18:06.28 | ChipX86 | damn laptop |
| 18:07.09 | scanlime | titanium is our codename for fancy! |
| 18:07.21 | ChipX86 | I'm working on nitrogen stuff lately |
| 18:07.49 | scanlime | nitrogen is our even better codename for fancy |
| 18:08.25 | ChipX86 | and megatron |
| 18:08.47 | file | megatron vmware bomb? |
| 18:17.16 | ChipX86 | "If you're going to fake your own kidnapping to swindle your family out of money, it's not a good idea to pick up the ransom yourself" |
| 18:29.47 | pagefault | hmm |
| 18:29.52 | pagefault | I have eaten all the halloween candy |
| 18:29.56 | pagefault | I need to buy more now |
| 18:30.00 | kergoth | pagefault: me and my dad did the same thing. |
| 18:30.06 | ChipX86 | I feel like halloween is over for some reason |
| 18:30.25 | kergoth | i've never really been really into halloween. or most holidays, really |
| 18:30.30 | ChipX86 | I love halloween |
| 18:30.36 | ChipX86 | but I never get to do much for it |
| 18:40.23 | scanlime | doing anything tonight? |
| 18:41.30 | scanlime | killing people is bad for their health |
| 18:41.36 | numist | good |
| 18:41.40 | numist | grr |
| 18:43.28 | ChipX86 | scanlime: not doing much aside from my traditional Nightmare Before Christmas viewing with Amanda and Chelsea and Paul |
| 19:01.18 | kergoth | <Keffo> wtf.. "Women bring a dynamic that's interesting and highly intelligent to all things creative, all things technological." |
| 19:01.18 | kergoth | <Keffo> --Paula Fellbaum, director of human resources, THQ Studios |
| 19:01.18 | kergoth | <Keffo> She should meet my mom, when she's trying to work her VCR... |
| 19:07.07 | ChipX86 | as much as I was looking forward to friends visiting, I'm looking forward to being alone again :P |
| 19:07.19 | scanlime | heh |
| 19:13.39 | darth_mall | heh |
| 19:30.03 | scanlime | :P |
| 19:40.07 | darth_mall | sneezing on his couch and wiping your nose with his controllers? ^^ |
| 19:40.14 | scanlime | yup |
| 19:42.51 | darth_mall | I hate days when nothing feels manageable |
| 19:43.09 | darth_mall | better head over the to the ITLL for this meeting |
| 19:43.13 | darth_mall | s/ITLL/DLC/ |
| 19:48.03 | Cae|Away | I hate days when I get woken up before my alarm |
| 19:52.10 | ChipX86 | Cae: :( |
| 19:53.29 | Cae | well, I get to leave a nice "if you ever play your music that loud that early again, I'm calling the cops" notice to my upstairs neighbors |
| 19:53.44 | numist | sweet |
| 19:53.55 | numist | no wait... you didnt get the notice, your giving one,.. thats not sweet |
| 19:54.10 | Cae | they should be happy that I'd feel guilty calling the cops without giving them a warning first. |
| 19:54.32 | Cae | because otherwise they would've gotten a visit at 6:15am from the local police department |
| 19:54.51 | Cae | and they probably don't like mornings any more than I do. |
| 19:56.28 | Cae | god..I have the attention span of an ADD goldfish right now |
| 19:56.52 | file | ooh |
| 20:00.45 | numist | ~mornings |
| 20:00.47 | jbot | Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) |
| 20:02.06 | ChipX86 | mornings bad |
| 20:02.39 | ChipX86 | yay, can't reach vmware anymore |
| 20:03.02 | darth_mall | dammit I hate daylight savings time |
| 20:03.37 | scanlime | yay, I love gnome canvas |
| 20:03.44 | ChipX86 | it rocks |
| 20:03.47 | scanlime | now I'm doing all the event handling on my own! |
| 20:03.57 | scanlime | using my crazy python BSP trees to see what item is under the cursor! |
| 20:04.09 | darth_mall | hmm... why isn't dircproxy logging... |
| 20:08.45 | darth_mall | hm |
| 20:10.34 | slimspace | darth_mall: where are you right now? |
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| 20:11.57 | darth_mall | that's better |
| 20:12.22 | scanlime | I think my python BSP tree is both faster and better than gnome-canvas's collision detection :P |
| 20:13.01 | scanlime | gnome_canvas_get_item_at() is very buggy when you're dealing with small items.. mostly because it doesn't allow you to specify a range of coordinates to test |
| 20:21.24 | Cae | ChipX86: I like the Cali weather better than here. |
| 20:22.38 | ChipX86 | are you back home? |
| 20:22.38 | scanlime | *what* weather? |
| 20:22.38 | kergoth | meh |
| 20:22.38 | Cae | yeah |
| 20:22.39 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 20:22.39 | Cae | heh |
| 20:22.39 | Cae | I even went goth the last day. |
| 20:22.39 | Cae | and there are no pictures. |
| 20:22.39 | Cae | :P |
| 20:22.39 | kergoth | aw |
| 20:22.39 | ChipX86 | awww |
| 20:22.39 | Cae | scanlime: well, you have less humidity, so you actually have temperature variation during the day. or at least SoCal does. |
| 20:22.39 | ChipX86 | wish it was close to here |
| 20:22.46 | scanlime | Cae: we barely have temperature variation during the year |
| 20:25.36 | scanlime | hah |
| 20:25.42 | scanlime | I thought this wireless adaptor was flaking out |
| 20:25.49 | Cae | scanlime: you have more than us |
| 20:25.53 | scanlime | looks like I just had my arm too close to it, so it was losing signal |
| 20:26.05 | scanlime | Cae: that's sad |
| 20:30.13 | purple_cow | alien tonight! |
| 20:30.25 | scanlime | where? |
| 20:30.51 | purple_cow | IFS |
| 20:30.54 | scanlime | mmm |
| 20:31.10 | Cae | scanlime: you have cool in the morning, warm during the day, cool in the evening, colder at night. |
| 20:31.19 | Cae | we have warm, hot, hot, warm. |
| 20:31.32 | Cae | there is no variation in humidity |
| 20:31.34 | scanlime | Cae: it's a very subtle variation here :P |
| 20:31.42 | scanlime | compared to colorado at least |
| 20:31.55 | kergoth | i really really missed the cool evenings from minnesota when i was in texas. didnt expect to. |
| 20:31.56 | Cae | except at 3am or so, when it all lands on the grass. and then it goes back into the air when the sun starts to rise. |
| 20:32.40 | Cae | have fun guys |
| 20:39.17 | scanlime | hehe |
| 20:39.42 | purple_cow | http://www.scarygoround.com/blog/tt-layout.gif |
| 20:39.43 | scanlime | and an arbitrary amount of Jack Daniels... |
| 20:42.20 | numist | :D |
| 20:42.21 | numist | yes |
| 20:46.05 | scanlime | hehe |
| 20:46.28 | numist | that works> |
| 20:46.29 | numist | ? |
| 20:47.00 | scanlime | it must, scary go round says so |
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| 20:59.00 | scanlime | hmm. 'make oldconfig' just asked me about drivers for a Via Unichrome video card |
| 20:59.05 | scanlime | is that better than monochrome? |
| 21:01.32 | file | maybe |
| 21:02.07 | numist | omnichrome: what people do to pimp their rides |
| 21:02.50 | scanlime | mmyep |
| 21:03.43 | scanlime | someone needs to manufacture a spray-on latex paint you can use to decorate your car, that will safely peel off when you want it to |
| 21:03.58 | scanlime | then it needs to come in chrome |
| 21:08.04 | numist | yeah! then you can use it to rob banks since you can just change the colour after the heist |
| 21:08.23 | scanlime | sure |
| 21:08.30 | scanlime | and it'd be a great prank to pull on other people |
| 21:08.48 | numist | something tells me that aspects of this are a bad idea |
| 21:08.59 | numist | besides, if you want to temp. paint your car, theres water based paints for such things |
| 21:27.53 | scanlime | owww |
| 21:28.09 | scanlime | flapjack must have filled up again |
| 21:28.14 | scanlime | my mailbox is full of bounces |
| 21:29.40 | file | Veight! |
| 21:29.47 | Veight | yo file |
| 21:29.50 | numist | ow |
| 21:32.04 | file | Veight: wazzup |
| 21:32.22 | scanlime | http://flapjack.navi.cx/webalizer/cia/usage.png |
| 21:32.32 | scanlime | I need to spend some time improving the server's scalability, if this continues :P |
| 21:32.41 | scanlime | that looks disturbingly exponential |
| 21:32.42 | numist | um, yeah |
| 21:33.22 | scanlime | mostly I need to rip out most of this SQL garbage and design a proper database for it |
| 21:33.52 | scanlime | actually, maybe it just needs another big redesign hackfest |
| 21:34.01 | numist | meh |
| 21:34.03 | file | ooh |
| 21:34.09 | scanlime | I've learned a lot about its usage patterns in the year or so since I wrote this version |
| 21:34.21 | numist | we should get unixmos on that thing so you get notifications from disk full before you get flooded from bounces |
| 21:34.29 | Veight | file: nm rearanging my mp3 player for folders for diffrent people since other people then just me listen to it |
| 21:34.30 | scanlime | eh |
| 21:34.39 | scanlime | that would help, but it doesn't really solve the problem |
| 21:34.44 | numist | true |
| 21:35.04 | scanlime | the reason the disk fills up when I don't pay attention is mostly because there's a lot of log data that never gets automatically rotated :P |
| 21:35.06 | numist | oh I wanted to ask you to set up a ruleset for me |
| 21:35.11 | scanlime | email me |
| 21:35.27 | numist | I'll email it.. but you can drop the #sdcolleges@shadowfire.org CIA.. the channel isnt in use anymore |
| 21:35.41 | scanlime | I can't do it right now, email me |
| 21:35.48 | numist | I'll browse around the site and try to give you some real xml instead of making you do it all |
| 21:36.11 | scanlime | don't bother |
| 21:36.16 | scanlime | I have a tool that automates all that |
| 21:36.20 | numist | :o |
| 21:36.26 | numist | alrighty then |
| 21:37.28 | scanlime | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1350236096 Oct 31 16:37 cia-access.log |
| 21:37.29 | scanlime | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29602808 Oct 31 16:37 cia-error.log |
| 21:37.30 | scanlime | ick |
| 21:37.36 | numist | :o |
| 21:37.41 | scanlime | I really need to set aside some time to fix this |
| 21:37.54 | darth_mall | purple_cow: you here? |
| 21:38.03 | purple_cow | darth_mall: no! |
| 21:38.04 | purple_cow | what? |
| 21:38.04 | numist | complete rewrite in C? |
| 21:38.08 | scanlime | no |
| 21:38.10 | scanlime | python isn't the problem |
| 21:38.13 | scanlime | MySQL is most of it |
| 21:38.18 | scanlime | DOM is the rest of it |
| 21:38.25 | numist | I dunno, wasnt python's xml libs giving you grief too? |
| 21:38.28 | numist | ah DOM |
| 21:38.35 | darth_mall | purple_cow: did you notice all the stuff we have to turn in for our prototype? |
| 21:38.44 | purple_cow | darth_mall: yeah, i've started on that just now |
| 21:38.53 | darth_mall | ok |
| 21:39.04 | purple_cow | oh, other stuff to write |
| 21:39.34 | purple_cow | care to write the total summary while i make the archive? |
| 21:40.03 | slimspace | do we have the individual contributions assembled in some way? |
| 21:40.41 | purple_cow | slimspace: read the page :P |
| 21:40.55 | slimspace | I did. Do /we/ have that assembled yet? |
| 21:41.13 | purple_cow | no |
| 21:41.23 | scanlime | why do I put up with this bullshit |
| 21:41.42 | numist | ? |
| 21:41.58 | scanlime | 16:39 < scanlime> disk filled up again |
| 21:41.58 | scanlime | 16:40 < common> man logrotate |
| 21:42.26 | numist | ... |
| 21:42.30 | file | scare them! |
| 21:42.30 | numist | linode? |
| 21:42.34 | scanlime | ? |
| 21:42.38 | scanlime | damnit |
| 21:42.41 | scanlime | linode is not the problem |
| 21:42.43 | scanlime | neither is python |
| 21:42.50 | scanlime | the problem is that there are bugs in my code that I haven't taken the time to fix |
| 21:42.53 | scanlime | ok? |
| 21:42.56 | slimspace | purple_cow: ok. We probably need to get ahold of Daniel and make sure he sends us his info |
| 21:42.56 | scanlime | I need to take the time to fix them |
| 21:43.09 | scanlime | moving away from linode, rewriting in C, installing logrotate/mos/whatever isn't the solution |
| 21:43.10 | numist | not what I meant, but ok |
| 21:43.21 | numist | I was asking who < common> was |
| 21:43.22 | numist | sheesh |
| 21:43.33 | scanlime | that was in #commits |
| 21:43.38 | numist | ah |
| 21:43.53 | scanlime | I don't hang around the linode people any more unless I'm bitching at them for slow disk I/O |
| 21:44.16 | hardwire | 2.6.14 makes me happy |
| 21:44.40 | purple_cow | scanlime: it's ok, we still love you |
| 21:44.42 | darth_mall | scanlime: ^^ |
| 21:44.48 | scanlime | thanks :) |
| 21:44.59 | file | my friend is hiding under his desk from the kids that are trick or treating |
| 21:45.00 | darth_mall | scanlime: obviously CIA would be better were it written in a combination of Perl and Java |
| 21:45.03 | file | he refuses to give them candy |
| 21:45.07 | scanlime | darth_mall: and C, don't forget C |
| 21:45.14 | darth_mall | I never forget C! |
| 21:45.16 | scanlime | obviously nothing is fast and maintainable unless it's in C |
| 21:45.30 | scanlime | especially when the bottleneck is disk I/O because of MySQL's crappiness |
| 21:45.41 | scanlime | well, MySQL isn't bad.. SQL itself is just badly suited to this problem space |
| 21:45.47 | numist | you should keep it all in ram! |
| 21:45.51 | numist | >_> |
| 21:45.55 | scanlime | in my wonderful 128MB of RAM? |
| 21:46.10 | scanlime | that's also not the bottleneck |
| 21:46.13 | scanlime | though if I ditch SQL, that will help |
| 21:46.32 | scanlime | I think my ideal solution would be sqlite for the bits that SQL actually helps for, and flat files for everything else |
| 21:47.39 | scanlime | maybe I'll set aside some evenings this week for just CIA work |
| 21:47.47 | darth_mall | nope. the answer is obviously Perl, C, Java, and XML |
| 21:47.57 | scanlime | yes... |
| 21:48.02 | numist | and ruby |
| 21:48.07 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03darkstar62 * r480 10docs/prototype-contributions/ (. cory.txt): Add a preliminary place for our prototype contributions |
| 21:48.10 | darth_mall | implement a db in Java that stores its data in XML |
| 21:48.15 | darth_mall | write CIA in C |
| 21:48.18 | scanlime | CIA already stores its data in XML |
| 21:48.18 | numist | darth_mall: hahaha |
| 21:48.33 | darth_mall | and make the the IRC bits of CIA xchat perl plugins! |
| 21:48.37 | darth_mall | because xchat == irc |
| 21:48.37 | scanlime | eep |
| 21:48.51 | numist | nice work, darth_mall, you just solved it! |
| 21:48.58 | scanlime | I'm not touching the bot server :) |
| 21:49.15 | scanlime | that part of CIA has actually been really stable |
| 21:49.25 | numist | problem is, the db would be slow, the service would be hard to maintain, and the bots would exit whenever someone logged off |
| 21:49.29 | numist | hehe |
| 21:49.34 | darth_mall | numist: those are features |
| 21:49.37 | numist | ah |
| 21:49.39 | numist | noted |
| 21:51.21 | darth_mall | purple_cow: so you want me to tackle the summary, then? |
| 21:51.33 | scanlime | ok, time to try a 2.6.14 kernel |
| 21:52.17 | slimspace | purple_cow: when you're pulling all the stuff together, remember to include my building schematics document |
| 21:55.01 | purple_cow | slimspace: already done |
| 21:55.14 | purple_cow | darth_mall: if you could :) |
| 21:55.15 | purple_cow | or slimspace |
| 21:55.18 | slimspace | purple_cow: :) |
| 21:55.19 | purple_cow | someone not me |
| 21:55.24 | darth_mall | purple_cow: ok |
| 21:55.50 | slimspace | I emailed Daniel to see if he has a contributions thing he can send us |
| 22:03.57 | Veight | kergoth: quit sighing and go trick or treating or buy me 4,000 paintballs to shoot up my neighborhood |
| 22:04.07 | kergoth | eh, no |
| 22:04.26 | Veight | dam |
| 22:04.34 | pagefault | heh |
| 22:05.08 | file | go trick or treating with him |
| 22:05.10 | file | reclaim your youth! |
| 22:05.14 | file | and stuff |
| 22:06.17 | Veight | umm |
| 22:06.23 | Veight | how about he goes trick or treating for me? |
| 22:06.36 | Veight | so then i can go and terrorizew the neighborhood |
| 22:06.41 | Veight | er, terrorize or however you spell it |
| 22:07.16 | slimspace | Veight: Then I could kick you for being among the kids that egged my car over the weekend |
| 22:08.24 | Veight | i wouldnt egg random people |
| 22:08.29 | Veight | if i do..its for a reason |
| 22:08.32 | file | he'd have specific targets |
| 22:08.44 | Veight | lol |
| 22:08.55 | *** join/#tacobeam orchid_ (n=bzgirl@unaffiliated/orchid) |
| 22:13.42 | hardwire | Vojtech Pavlik is quite the nerd. |
| 22:15.40 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03evan * r481 10docs/prototype_summary.txt: Here's a summary. Take a look. |
| 22:17.38 | darth_mall | purple_cow: are we turning in screenshots? |
| 22:19.17 | purple_cow | darth_mall: yes. someone needs to take some |
| 22:20.30 | darth_mall | how are we turning in the contributions? |
| 22:20.34 | darth_mall | separate files? |
| 22:20.43 | slimspace | darth_mall: I created a directory in subversion to collect them |
| 22:20.50 | slimspace | I figured we'd combine them into one file when we had them all |
| 22:22.37 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r482 10docs/prototype-contributions/david.txt: my contributions |
| 22:22.38 | purple_cow | i'm including them in the tarball |
| 22:22.38 | purple_cow | so in the html file with links to all the files, it just has links to the individual contributions docs |
| 22:23.00 | darth_mall | ok |
| 22:23.05 | slimspace | nod |
| 22:27.54 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r483 10docs/prototype_summary.txt: Some rewording. Also put 2 spaces in front of new sentences |
| 22:28.34 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03evan * r484 10docs/prototype-contributions/evan.txt: My contributions too |
| 22:30.30 | purple_cow | slimspace: no reason to put the screenshots in svn, since they'll just use up disk on zero |
| 22:30.33 | purple_cow | can you just email them? |
| 22:30.40 | slimspace | to you? yes |
| 22:31.21 | darth_mall | it's against my religion |
| 22:32.26 | slimspace | purple_cow: sent |
| 22:34.33 | pagefault | ++ |
| 22:35.11 | CIA-5 | smrt: 03jupiter * r485 10docs/prototype-contributions/daniel.txt: add daniel's contributions write-up, after some editing |
| 22:37.00 | slimspace | is that all we need then? |
| 22:37.36 | kergoth | bleh |
| 22:40.31 | Veight | yay! Powerman 5000 |
| 22:42.02 | purple_cow | slimspace: i think so |
| 22:42.30 | scanlime | oh, wow |
| 22:42.38 | scanlime | perry just closed a bug I didn't know I fixed ) |
| 22:42.40 | scanlime | :) |
| 22:42.47 | ChipX86 | nice |
| 22:43.02 | scanlime | apparently that crappy SMC bluetooth dongle works now |
| 22:43.08 | ChipX86 | woot |
| 22:43.20 | scanlime | I still wouldn't advise buying one ;) |
| 22:43.44 | slimspace | purple_cow: cool. If there's nothing else, I'll be heading home then |
| 22:44.30 | scanlime | hrmph |
| 22:44.38 | scanlime | still can't reproduce this dell 1450 bug |
| 22:56.49 | kergoth | yay, kergoth.com mails show up on my desktop directly now. |
| 22:58.45 | kergoth | and also, yet for fetchmail grabbing the 5,800 mails in my gmail inbox and autoshuffling them into mailing list folders automatically |
| 22:58.48 | kergoth | s/yet/yay/ |
| 22:59.30 | file[laptop] | fetchmail is goooood |
| 23:00.08 | kergoth | indeed. |
| 23:03.15 | hardwire | this is nuts |
| 23:03.30 | file[laptop] | what kind? |
| 23:03.35 | hardwire | peanuts |
| 23:03.39 | file[laptop] | yum |
| 23:03.45 | hardwire | yup |
| 23:04.08 | kergoth | gmail only lets you grab 500 mails at a time via pop3 |
| 23:04.12 | kergoth | this is gonna take a while |
| 23:04.55 | darth_mall | purple_cow: thanks for sending that e-mail off |
| 23:05.05 | purple_cow | no problem |
| 23:06.12 | purple_cow | darth_mall: are you coming to alien tonight? |
| 23:06.21 | hardwire | I need to do an ordered dither somehow |
| 23:06.36 | hardwire | 1 bit |
| 23:07.15 | scanlime | ordered dither is just a table lookup |
| 23:07.43 | hardwire | is it based on surrounding or last pixel on a left to right draw? |
| 23:07.56 | scanlime | ? |
| 23:08.02 | hardwire | bleh |
| 23:08.07 | hardwire | I am writing a 1 pixel high image |
| 23:08.11 | hardwire | and I hope to dither it before I write it |
| 23:08.18 | hardwire | values are 0-255 |
| 23:08.31 | scanlime | are you sure you want ordered dither? |
| 23:08.40 | hardwire | I don't want a random dither |
| 23:08.48 | scanlime | heh |
| 23:08.48 | hardwire | but that may be fine if its just as easy |
| 23:09.04 | hardwire | moo |
| 23:09.10 | scanlime | google for floyd-steinberg |
| 23:09.38 | scanlime | ordered dithers are effectively going to reduce your spatial resolution |
| 23:09.57 | scanlime | what you really want is some type of error-feedback dithering algorithm, probably |
| 23:09.59 | hardwire | oh I remember how those are |
| 23:10.03 | scanlime | and floyd-steinberg is popular and easy |
| 23:10.34 | hardwire | whats this one called |
| 23:10.35 | scanlime | especially easy if you're doing a 1 dimensional image |
| 23:10.44 | hardwire | if x is odd.. if less than 128 its 0.. otherwise 1 |
| 23:10.48 | hardwire | and if x is even reverse that |
| 23:11.25 | scanlime | sounds like the algorithmic ramblings of a madman |
| 23:11.57 | hardwire | I hardly am known as anything else |
| 23:12.09 | scanlime | ooh... 700MB logfile |
| 23:17.11 | CIA-5 | spacegrant: 03dkuester * r1771 10mck/ (ground ground.sh): woo |
| 23:17.14 | hardwire | yes |
| 23:17.16 | hardwire | I am quite mad |
| 23:17.19 | hardwire | that sucks |
| 23:18.30 | Sophie197 | who wants pictures of frankenMiles sent to their inbox? |
| 23:18.51 | Sophie197 | I need email addresses, if so. |
| 23:19.01 | hardwire | wtf does floyd-steinberg do on edge pixels? |
| 23:20.06 | scanlime | hardwire: uh.. so the only edge pixel you have is the first one, assuming you're propagating errors rightward |
| 23:20.26 | scanlime | hardwire: on that pixel you have no error to propagate, so it will act just like you're quantizing with no error diffusion |
| 23:20.35 | hardwire | it has these functions. |
| 23:20.56 | scanlime | hmm, I didn't know it could dither |
| 23:20.59 | scanlime | that's kinda handy |
| 23:24.28 | pagefault | mmm food |
| 23:27.21 | file[laptop] | pagefault: hand it over! |
| 23:30.02 | pagefault | paul martin is dressed up as himself |
| 23:30.08 | pagefault | he's giving out halloween |
| 23:37.25 | hardwire | yup |
| 23:37.27 | hardwire | ordered is what I wanted |
| 23:38.04 | scanlime | what are you doing? |
| 23:38.12 | hardwire | crazy crazy things |
| 23:38.25 | hardwire | super fine sine waves on led's |
| 23:38.28 | hardwire | in a module |
| 23:38.31 | scanlime | I want to know. Ordered dithering is rarely really what you want unless speed is the biggest concern |
| 23:38.35 | scanlime | ok, damnit |
| 23:38.38 | scanlime | you don't want ordered dithering |
| 23:38.46 | hardwire | right now I do |
| 23:38.53 | hardwire | cause I want to see what it looks like overall |
| 23:39.12 | scanlime | read about 1-bit A/D and D/A, because that's what you're doing |
| 23:39.12 | hardwire | I have a 15bit wide pattern |
| 23:39.19 | hardwire | ah. |
| 23:39.31 | hardwire | I will just have to make this and show whats up |
| 23:39.34 | scanlime | read about delta-sigma modulators |
| 23:39.51 | scanlime | this is how they do what you're doing in real hardware |
| 23:40.02 | scanlime | and it looks an awful lot like floyd-steinberg dithering |
| 23:40.17 | scanlime | but it's in the right mathematical context to be useful for signal conversion applications |
| 23:41.08 | numist | hee hee, scanlime's using big words again |
| 23:41.18 | scanlime | :P |
| 23:42.06 | hardwire | scanlime: ok |
| 23:42.08 | hardwire | well |
| 23:42.12 | hardwire | I will try this pattern first |
| 23:42.17 | hardwire | then I will use a delta-sigma modulated pattern |
| 23:42.18 | scanlime | yeah, it's a good first test |
| 23:42.33 | scanlime | but delta-sigma modulation should give you madly cool resolution with little CPU usage |
| 23:42.40 | purple_cow | hah, take that, gentoo! |
| 23:42.49 | hardwire | scanlime: the first pattern is 15bit wide |
| 23:43.02 | hardwire | I just want to see how smooth this may be |
| 23:43.08 | scanlime | hardwire: that only really gives you a few useful bits of brightness resolution |
| 23:43.16 | hardwire | scanlime: yup |
| 23:43.38 | scanlime | I mean |
| 23:43.45 | hardwire | scanlime: I already did a sine wave where I sent a 12 bit pattern to the LED's |
| 23:43.51 | scanlime | the problem with using a fixed width pattern, is that there's no difference at all between that and PWM |
| 23:43.53 | hardwire | 0-12 sine wav |
| 23:44.04 | scanlime | all you're doing is mixing up the on and off times a bit to make the flickering less apparent |
| 23:44.07 | hardwire | and I am hoping to more or less mix the bit patterns together |
| 23:44.12 | hardwire | scanlime: exactly |
| 23:44.20 | hardwire | but.. thats called a learning curve for hardwire :) |
| 23:44.23 | scanlime | nod |
| 23:44.29 | hardwire | now its more fluid |
| 23:44.33 | hardwire | I want to see if its fluid enough |
| 23:44.36 | scanlime | when you switch to delta-sigma modulation, you get a pretty much infinite pattern width |
| 23:44.48 | scanlime | it will only be limited by the width of the registers you use |
| 23:44.55 | hardwire | well I want to find out how quickly I can burst 32768 to an LED |
| 23:45.00 | hardwire | via the gpio char device first |
| 23:45.10 | hardwire | and how much cpu it will pop |
| 23:45.10 | scanlime | the resolution you get is only limited by the integration time on the receiving end- in this case, the integration that the human eye performs |
| 23:45.19 | scanlime | :) |
| 23:45.30 | hardwire | yeh |
| 23:45.36 | scanlime | damnit, you're making me want to play with LEDs |
| 23:45.49 | scanlime | I bet an FPGA could do delta-sigma modulation on lots o' LEDs at once |
| 23:45.50 | hardwire | at the same time scanlime .. I have this set up in such a way that I can change the value of the LEDs pulse |
| 23:46.04 | hardwire | for instance .. the longest pattern is 15 bit.. then 14bit 13 bit and so forth |
| 23:46.22 | scanlime | the value of the LEDs pulse? you mean the PWM period? |
| 23:46.26 | hardwire | that way when I change from one value to another.. I can align the pulses |
| 23:46.34 | hardwire | and it looks fluid |
| 23:46.54 | scanlime | oh, you mean you never change the brightness value in the middle of a pattern period? |
| 23:47.03 | scanlime | that's not a problem with delta-sigma modulation |
| 23:47.06 | hardwire | I also have it progressively adding brightness as the patterns get shorter.. so that it maintains a brighter pattern |
| 23:47.24 | hardwire | well |
| 23:47.28 | scanlime | ok, too much talk of pattern buffers |
| 23:47.32 | hardwire | lemme give this a go real quick |
| 23:47.33 | hardwire | yeh |
| 23:47.35 | hardwire | I am gonna like go do it |
| 23:47.53 | hardwire | hey.. not a photon torpedo |
| 23:48.25 | hardwire | scanlime: how about I just shut up and do a video recording on my palm pilots camera to show you how very granular it wil be |
| 23:48.35 | scanlime | just implement delta-sigma modulation |
| 23:48.42 | scanlime | it's so much simpler than what you're proposing |
| 23:48.59 | scanlime | honestly.. it's harder to understand, but easier to implement |
| 23:49.01 | scanlime | if that makes any sense |
| 23:49.02 | hardwire | scanlime: maybe.. I am going to store the patterns and just walk them |
| 23:49.37 | hardwire | I should install the wikipediafs |
| 23:49.45 | scanlime | but what if you want the brightness set to 1 out of 32768? You're going to need a big 32768-entry bitfield for your pattern |
| 23:49.59 | hardwire | ah.. see delta-sigma requires I know math |
| 23:50.07 | hardwire | so thats out the window right there |
| 23:50.08 | scanlime | pff |
| 23:50.16 | hardwire | I didn't pass any of my math courses |
| 23:50.23 | scanlime | hell, I have a delta-sigma modulator written in python around here somewhere |
| 23:50.24 | scanlime | it's easy |
| 23:50.42 | hardwire | scanlime: it has 15 pulse patterns |
| 23:50.46 | scanlime | you really can think of it a lot like error-diffusion dithering |
| 23:50.52 | hardwire | each patternnum**2 in length |
| 23:50.59 | hardwire | thats all it is |
| 23:51.17 | hardwire | the patterns are from start to end a sine wave.. scaled to that size.. then dithered to mono |
| 23:51.23 | scanlime | erm.. |
| 23:51.39 | scanlime | why? |
| 23:51.43 | hardwire | its all precomputed.. and therefore requires little thought. |
| 23:52.00 | hardwire | you will have to see I guess. |
| 23:52.05 | hardwire | or not.. :) |
| 23:53.56 | hardwire | i am going to schedule the module to update the LED's on a per pattern basis at 250hz |
| 23:54.01 | hardwire | and see where that gets me |
| 23:54.08 | scanlime | you're really making this complicated |
| 23:54.19 | hardwire | you bet your sweet ass |
| 23:54.44 | scanlime | http://rex.colorado.edu/svn/misc/trunk/devices/speck/deltasigma.py |
| 23:54.52 | scanlime | see that DSModulator class? The one that's like 8 lines of code? |
| 23:54.56 | scanlime | that's a delta-sigma modulator |
| 23:55.05 | hardwire | ok |
| 23:55.21 | scanlime | you put in a floating point number |
| 23:55.26 | scanlime | it gives you a stream of 1-bit samples |
| 23:55.30 | hardwire | so how would I render this grayscale sine wave pattern with this I wonder |
| 23:55.52 | scanlime | you put in a brightness value, it gives you the bit you send to the LED port |
| 23:55.57 | scanlime | so, you'd put in a sine wave |
| 23:56.05 | scanlime | if that's what you want |
| 23:56.12 | hardwire | iot looks similar to floyd steinberg |
| 23:56.16 | scanlime | I told you |
| 23:56.39 | scanlime | now, you could easily read 100 pages of math backing those 8 lines of code, but you really don't need to |
| 23:57.07 | hardwire | you know |
| 23:57.10 | hardwire | I love you man |
| 23:57.12 | scanlime | :) |
| 23:57.16 | hardwire | c'mere.. your getting a hug |
| 23:57.25 | hardwire | awww |
| 23:57.30 | hardwire | ok well.. enough of that |
| 23:57.35 | scanlime | now you get to help me beat gnome-canvas over the head ;) |
| 23:57.48 | hardwire | I love gnome-canvas |
| 23:57.54 | hardwire | but.. last time I used it.. ti was gnome1-canvas |
| 23:58.12 | purple_cow | you love gnome-canvas? |
| 23:58.16 | purple_cow | have you *used* gnome-canvas? |
| 23:59.08 | hardwire | scanlime: btw.. whats the input value for the modulator |
| 23:59.11 | hardwire | 0.0 -1.0 ? |
| 23:59.20 | scanlime | [0,1] |
| 23:59.24 | hardwire | float() |
| 23:59.28 | scanlime | right |
