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| 00:13.04 | Kynlem | back |
| 00:17.02 | kryptech | ya know whats |
| 00:17.06 | kryptech | cool |
| 00:17.43 | Kynlem | ? |
| 00:17.56 | kryptech | Jinto and Lafiel |
| 00:18.07 | Kynlem | Hehe |
| 00:21.32 | kryptech | it better not end |
| 00:21.39 | kryptech | they better have kids before they stop animating |
| 00:21.47 | kryptech | and the books still have a long time |
| 00:22.07 | kryptech | so as we speak Ghintec and Lamhirh's daughater is probably being born in Hiroyukis mind |
| 00:37.07 | aptiva | } |
| 00:37.14 | aptiva | ? |
| 00:38.02 | aptiva | ag |
| 00:38.04 | aptiva | ah |
| 00:38.06 | aptiva | abine |
| 00:38.11 | aptiva | anime! |
| 00:38.18 | aptiva | TYOHELL |
| 00:38.20 | aptiva | BAH |
| 00:38.52 | aptiva | one thing about anime .. |
| 00:38.56 | aptiva | they all look the same |
| 00:39.00 | swoolley | they all suck |
| 00:39.05 | swoolley | they can bite my ass |
| 00:39.06 | swoolley | oh |
| 00:39.07 | swoolley | pictures |
| 00:39.09 | swoolley | just a sec |
| 00:39.38 | aptiva | swoolley: gits rocked! |
| 00:39.40 | aptiva | and akira |
| 00:39.50 | kryptech | dont worry |
| 00:39.56 | kryptech | swoolley is the cool type |
| 00:39.56 | swoolley | http://swoolley.org/protest1/web/ |
| 00:40.24 | kryptech | http://www.rasterman.com/files/coding.jpg << htf can raster see? |
| 00:40.48 | swoolley | the blank pictures have nudity |
| 00:41.02 | swoolley | I don't want those out in the public as yet |
| 00:41.19 | aptiva | kryptech: .. |
| 00:41.22 | aptiva | easy |
| 00:41.24 | aptiva | just look |
| 00:41.28 | kryptech | what? |
| 00:41.37 | aptiva | he just looks at the screen |
| 00:41.43 | aptiva | seems easy |
| 00:41.50 | aptiva | and works for me |
| 00:42.23 | swoolley | http://swoolley.org/protest1/web/139.html |
| 00:42.25 | swoolley | check out that hair |
| 00:43.26 | aptiva | hehe |
| 00:43.26 | kryptech | http://swoolley.org/protest1/web/slides/slide_IMG_2314.JPG |
| 00:43.34 | aptiva | what were you protesting? |
| 00:43.35 | kryptech | you and agilman I guess swoolley? |
| 00:44.02 | kryptech | swoolley: heh, looks like alan cox with the hair :) |
| 00:44.17 | agilman | haha, yeah, I asked swoolley to take that pic |
| 00:44.36 | agilman | http://swoolley.org/protest1/web/19.html |
| 00:44.36 | aptiva | agilman: that's your hair? |
| 00:44.39 | agilman | no |
| 00:44.50 | agilman | that link I just put is swoolley and my brother, taken by me |
| 00:44.59 | aptiva | ah |
| 00:45.04 | kryptech | swoolley left? |
| 00:45.14 | agilman | yes |
| 00:46.01 | agilman | swoolley, hook me up with the nude photos |
| 00:46.36 | aptiva | guys. when I have a bunch of data when I then load in (stored ina a char*) |
| 00:46.38 | aptiva | how.. |
| 00:46.58 | aptiva | would I get for example byte 2-3 |
| 00:47.33 | agilman | http://swoolley.org/protest1/web/68.html , that would be a great picture if you flipped it over |
| 00:47.33 | aptiva | example data: |
| 00:47.33 | aptiva | 00 00 00 5a 01 0e 00 6d 01 56 00 5a 00 9c 00 6d |
| 00:47.34 | aptiva | 00 c0 00 5a 00 c2 00 6d 00 e6 00 5a 00 e7 00 6d |
| 00:47.43 | aptiva | I need 2 blocks |
| 00:47.52 | Kynlem | Just do as with array s[i] |
| 00:47.58 | aptiva | I need 2 |
| 00:48.35 | kryptech | aptiva: you would shift and then mask out the others |
| 00:48.48 | aptiva | bleh |
| 00:48.51 | aptiva | low level crap |
| 00:49.00 | aptiva | can you whip up an example? |
| 00:49.03 | kryptech | what, you dont like that? |
| 00:49.10 | aptiva | I'm a gui guy |
| 00:49.21 | aptiva | haven't done much low level |
| 00:49.27 | kryptech | you wrote 12,000 lines in a year, thats a lot |
| 00:49.32 | aptiva | yeah |
| 00:49.41 | aptiva | but it's mostly high level |
| 00:49.43 | kryptech | it seems that would make you good |
| 00:49.48 | aptiva | hehe |
| 00:49.51 | aptiva | good != good |
| 00:50.03 | kryptech | dont worry, I suck too |
| 00:50.12 | aptiva | you're probably a lot better than I am in unix programming |
| 00:50.13 | kryptech | I'm trying to code a taskbar for e |
| 00:50.18 | aptiva | but I'd kick your ass on the mac:) |
| 00:50.24 | aptiva | ah |
| 00:50.26 | aptiva | drawing |
| 00:50.27 | kryptech | and I dont understand e at all |
| 00:50.29 | aptiva | that's my thing |
| 00:50.38 | kryptech | their apis are like no other gui |
| 00:50.45 | aptiva | I see |
| 00:51.02 | kryptech | its not a widget set so much (although they do have one |
| 00:51.11 | aptiva | then what is it? |
| 00:51.28 | aptiva | every element is hand drawn? |
| 00:51.35 | aptiva | well "hand" |
| 00:51.35 | kryptech | as a weird canvas library that is attached to a user defined interface... so that your app does no gui setup |
| 00:51.49 | aptiva | :/ |
| 00:51.57 | aptiva | no idea what you just said |
| 00:52.01 | kryptech | and then you have to learn their stupid language for scripting the user defined themes |
| 00:52.05 | kryptech | and their 9 apis |
| 00:52.06 | swoolley | agilman: let me see |
| 00:52.13 | kryptech | as well as the internal e wm api |
| 00:52.15 | aptiva | seems craooy |
| 00:52.29 | aptiva | api's are meant to *simplify* |
| 00:52.55 | kryptech | you have to know all 9 to read the code |
| 00:52.58 | aptiva | so you can worry about other things |
| 00:53.01 | aptiva | hehe |
| 00:53.05 | aptiva | move to gnustep! |
| 00:53.18 | kryptech | and then read through the e api by hand |
| 00:53.20 | aptiva | it beats the fsck out of all other gui libraries out there |
| 00:53.29 | aptiva | well |
| 00:53.32 | aptiva | not just gui |
| 00:53.35 | kryptech | have you seen how e looks? |
| 00:53.38 | aptiva | yes |
| 00:53.40 | aptiva | I've tried it |
| 00:53.44 | kryptech | e17? |
| 00:53.44 | aptiva | didn't like it |
| 00:53.46 | aptiva | no |
| 00:53.52 | aptiva | e back in 2003 |
| 00:53.56 | kryptech | I didnt like e16 either |
| 00:54.00 | kryptech | it was really bad |
| 00:54.01 | aptiva | or was i t 2002 |
| 00:54.10 | aptiva | have you tried gnustep? |
| 00:54.26 | kryptech | although it was the GNOME accepted for a long while (mainly because raster was on the GNOME team as I hear) |
| 00:54.29 | kryptech | no, I hant |
| 00:54.31 | kryptech | *havnt |
| 00:54.42 | aptiva | try it |
| 00:54.46 | aptiva | you won't go back |
| 00:55.00 | swoolley | agilman: get my pm? |
| 00:55.15 | kryptech | aptiva: I tried pringles too.. and I did stop |
| 00:55.21 | aptiva | dude |
| 00:55.25 | aptiva | it's not like chios |
| 00:55.27 | aptiva | chips |
| 00:55.36 | aptiva | it's more like... heaven |
| 00:55.39 | swoolley | agilman: see the middle one, how if they only held still the water would look cool? |
| 00:55.56 | aptiva | try writing a oneliner to create and display a window containing a button and a view |
| 00:56.01 | aptiva | in any other toolkit |
| 00:56.04 | swoolley | agilman: the last picture was a faster shot but the water looks too static |
| 00:56.05 | aptiva | you'll fail :) |
| 00:56.10 | swoolley | but the others are more flat |
| 00:56.19 | aptiva | of course I meant |
| 00:56.22 | aptiva | one *statement* |
| 00:57.01 | kryptech | aptiva: I dont like libraries that allow you to do it all in one line |
| 00:57.11 | aptiva | you're not MEANT to do it that way |
| 00:57.18 | aptiva | I was demonstrating how easy it is |
| 00:57.19 | kryptech | ahh |
| 00:57.33 | aptiva | I can write that oneliner for you if you like |
| 00:57.46 | kryptech | sure |
| 00:57.52 | aptiva | ok |
| 00:57.54 | aptiva | w8 a sec |
| 00:58.52 | swoolley | http://swoolley.org/protest1/web/49.html |
| 00:58.55 | swoolley | I like that photo |
| 01:00.32 | swoolley | http://swoolley.org/protest1/web/74.html |
| 01:01.01 | aptiva | kryptech |
| 01:01.01 | aptiva | [[[[NSWindow alloc] initWithContentRect:NSMakeRect(200,200,200,200)] addSubview:[[[NSView alloc] initWithRect:NSMakeRect(0,0, 200, 200)] addSubView:[[NSButton alloc] init]]] makeKeyAndOrderFront:self]; |
| 01:01.06 | aptiva | one statement |
| 01:01.08 | aptiva | :) |
| 01:01.14 | aptiva | and it's readable ;) |
| 01:01.23 | kryptech | that is some fscked up shit |
| 01:01.28 | aptiva | hehe |
| 01:01.30 | aptiva | it's simple |
| 01:01.35 | kryptech | what language is it in? |
| 01:01.41 | aptiva | Objective-C |
| 01:01.44 | agilman | (18:01:18) jeneen: well take him to the vet, but if he acts really crazy you might get to exercise your right as an american with that gun of yours :P |
| 01:01.55 | kryptech | objective c is some fscked up shit |
| 01:01.56 | aptiva | just C + objects |
| 01:02.07 | Kynlem | In Qt that will take 3 or 4 lines, but clear ones |
| 01:02.08 | aptiva | kryptech: you get used to it after about an hourrrrrr |
| 01:02.21 | Kynlem | Asa far as I understood what you meant the code to do |
| 01:02.25 | kryptech | in my book (the K&R) you cant do [stuff]; |
| 01:02.53 | Kynlem | As* |
| 01:04.05 | aptiva | here-s how you *should* do this |
| 01:04.06 | aptiva | NSWindow *myWindow = [[NSWindow alloc] initWithContentRect:NSMakeRect(200,200,400,400)]; |
| 01:04.09 | aptiva | NSView *myView = [[NSView alloc] initWithRect:NSMakeRect(0,0,400,400)]; |
| 01:04.11 | aptiva | [myWindow setContentView:myView]; |
| 01:04.23 | aptiva | the [] just means you're using an object |
| 01:04.39 | aptiva | setContentView is a method (same as member function in C++) |
| 01:05.26 | aptiva | I don't know anyone who has tried Cocoa and not fallen in love |
| 01:05.54 | Kynlem | Is this similar to myWIndow->setContentView(myView); ? |
| 01:06.01 | aptiva | it's the same |
| 01:06.01 | Kynlem | (In C++) |
| 01:06.39 | Kynlem | I see, but the C++ looks much more familiar for me, like with usual functions |
| 01:06.54 | aptiva | "usual" functions!? |
| 01:07.00 | aptiva | and of course it's more familiar |
| 01:07.02 | kryptech | Code in C, Code in C! |
| 01:07.04 | kryptech | (song) |
| 01:07.05 | aptiva | you've *seen* it |
| 01:07.09 | aptiva | I code in c |
| 01:07.11 | aptiva | objective-c |
| 01:07.43 | aptiva | all of those []'s are translated to objc_msg()'s at compiletime |
| 01:07.54 | Kynlem | I mean like obj->f(x) not obj f:x |
| 01:08.09 | aptiva | .. |
| 01:08.14 | aptiva | it's better |
| 01:08.25 | Kynlem | That's (C++ one) like more tradional nd close how you do it in maths |
| 01:08.27 | aptiva | it makes a distinction between objects and normal functions |
| 01:08.30 | Kynlem | and* |
| 01:08.41 | aptiva | yes but the : is more like english |
| 01:09.00 | Kynlem | Math > English :-P |
| 01:09.07 | aptiva | yah... |
| 01:09.21 | aptiva | try learning math with a teacher talking math |
| 01:09.35 | aptiva | doesn't work *quite* as well as listening to english |
| 01:09.43 | Kynlem | English isn't my native language, but math is closer to it |
| 01:09.57 | aptiva | Kynlem: pretty sure you guys use : too.... |
| 01:10.01 | aptiva | I know we in iceland do |
| 01:10.33 | Kynlem | Yes, we do. () is my personal preferation. |
| 01:10.42 | Kynlem | It makes it look more structured |
| 01:11.11 | Kynlem | Like "if(cond) { code }" instead of "if(cond) endif" |
| 01:11.15 | aptiva | yes but objects shouldn't be treated like variables containing functions |
| 01:11.19 | aptiva | like c++ does |
| 01:11.42 | aptiva | the [] syntax makes a better distinction |
| 01:12.13 | Kynlem | Probably. I am not talking about this. I am talking about () and : |
| 01:12.42 | aptiva | I agree, I wouldn't want normal *functions* using : |
| 01:13.00 | aptiva | but the : makes sure you don't confuse methods and functions together in long statements involving objects |
| 01:13.07 | aptiva | for example |
| 01:13.16 | aptiva | myObj->foobar(foobar()); |
| 01:13.18 | aptiva | this is legal |
| 01:13.29 | aptiva | [myObj foobar:foobar()] |
| 01:13.51 | aptiva | now imagine a fearsomely complicated statement doing that |
| 01:13.58 | aptiva | which would be more easy to separate ? |
| 01:14.01 | Kynlem | OK, I understand what you're trying to explain. |
| 01:14.29 | aptiva | the debating gnome prevails1 |
| 01:14.30 | aptiva | ! |
| 01:14.41 | aptiva | <-- debating gnome |
| 01:15.19 | Kynlem | I've noticed that ;-) |
| 01:15.47 | aptiva | have you also noticed I seem to win most of the time :P |
| 01:16.19 | Kynlem | No, I haven't :-P |
| 01:16.25 | aptiva | .. |
| 01:16.34 | aptiva | you haven't been paying attention >;( |
| 01:16.49 | Kynlem | Sure.. |
| 01:17.27 | aptiva | well |
| 01:17.28 | aptiva | cya |
| 01:17.35 | aptiva | I'm gonna read harry potter now |
| 01:17.35 | Kynlem | cya |
| 01:17.41 | Kynlem | what part? |
| 01:18.07 | aptiva | halfblood wizard or sum |
| 01:18.15 | aptiva | prince |
| 01:18.18 | aptiva | hbprince |
| 01:20.29 | Kynlem | Have you read anything by Leo Tolstoy? |
| 01:20.45 | swoolley | uhh harry potter? |
| 01:20.57 | aptiva | yes |
| 01:21.00 | aptiva | why not? |
| 01:21.06 | aptiva | got it for free |
| 01:21.12 | aptiva | Kynlem: no |
| 01:21.39 | aptiva | gn |
| 01:22.54 | Kynlem | Good night |
| 01:28.29 | Tryblithe | *yawn* |
| 01:28.35 | Tryblithe | -_- |
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| 02:34.40 | agilman | swoolley, my brother just told me another story about Jesus... apperantly he's got anger managment problems |
| 02:35.35 | agilman | http://swoolley.org/protest1/web/145.html |
| 02:35.43 | agilman | that guy |
| 02:36.20 | agilman | my brother said that in Sisters, when we were by the Forest Services office... he was holding a sign: "Keep Oregon Green" or some shit like that |
| 02:36.34 | agilman | so some car stopped at the intersection and said something to him |
| 02:36.58 | agilman | So when the car started going... Jesus threw his sign through the window of the car |
| 02:37.01 | agilman | and left |
| 02:37.35 | agilman | ohh boy, if some hippy threw a sign in my car. I'd stop right there... get out of the car and crack some skulls |
| 02:38.32 | agilman | what were they fighting about with the reporter? |
| 02:39.41 | agilman | I saw it from inside the bus |
| 02:39.55 | agilman | but I didnt hear what they were arguying about |
| 02:58.08 | swoolley | agilman: the reporter took their picture |
| 02:59.10 | swoolley | agilman: they are paranoid because they are from southern oregon and have had saboteurs infiltrate them. |
| 02:59.49 | swoolley | agilman: the siskyiou wildlands project has been one of the most successful earth first actions in a while -- one of the leaders was recently killed in an automobile accident too |
| 03:03.16 | agilman | damn |
| 03:03.20 | agilman | so whats up with Jesus? |
| 03:03.40 | agilman | He just doesn't like taking pictures? |
| 03:04.44 | agilman | my brother just came here, and I was looking at the picture of Jesus adn the reporter |
| 03:04.53 | agilman | my brother asked what it was |
| 03:05.01 | agilman | so I said that Jesus made out with the reporter |
| 03:05.05 | agilman | good times ":) |
| 03:08.48 | swoolley | heh |
| 03:09.01 | swoolley | they are merely paranoid |
| 03:09.06 | swoolley | for good reason too |
| 03:09.11 | swoolley | if you get too effective, they take you out |
| 03:11.13 | swoolley | I like my kitty |
| 06:00.50 | ashanks | swoolley: uhh harry potter? |
| 06:05.48 | ashanks | brb |
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| 06:22.43 | agilman | yep, I scored few hours ago. |
| 06:27.11 | agilman | haha |
| 06:27.11 | agilman | I haven't done any programming lately. |
| 06:55.05 | ashanks | swoolley, ping |
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| 20:36.08 | swoolley-work | agilman: working on the cover letter? |
| 20:44.16 | agilman | swoolley-work, yes, I've been looking at some cover letter examples |
| 20:44.58 | agilman | swoolley-work, who should I address it to? |
| 21:01.37 | swoolley-work | agilman: to me |
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| 22:31.51 | Kynlem | Hello |
| 22:32.17 | agilman | hey maan |
| 22:32.39 | agilman | how are you? |
| 22:34.09 | Kynlem | thanks, fine, you? |
| 22:45.22 | agilman | Im OK, sorry for the delay |
| 22:45.43 | agilman | Im kinda lazy lately |
| 22:47.16 | swoolley-work | agilman: cover letter? |
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| 22:54.58 | Kynlem | hey kryptech |
| 22:55.04 | kryptech | hi |
| 22:55.16 | Kynlem | will you tell me something new about Seikai no Senki III today? |
| 22:55.22 | kryptech | yes |
| 22:55.33 | Kynlem | I'm listeing ;-) |
| 22:55.38 | Kynlem | listening* |
| 22:55.51 | kryptech | there is a deal in the works of translating the books |
| 22:56.23 | kryptech | and thus, very many lawsuits are being filed for people that translated the things... |
| 22:57.24 | kryptech | though I have to wonder if one of the people on the forums is Hiroyuki Morioka himself :) |
| 22:59.44 | Kynlem | Hehe |
| 22:59.48 | Tryblithe | hi |
| 23:00.17 | agilman | swoolley-work, cover letter is half done |
| 23:00.28 | kryptech | We will crush them |
| 23:00.28 | Kynlem | Hello Tryblithe :-) |
| 23:00.39 | swoolley-work | agilman: great |
| 23:00.39 | kryptech | ^^ Quote from linus torvalds |
| 23:01.08 | kryptech | hi swoolley-work, didnt see you there, how are things going with... |
| 23:01.17 | kryptech | sourcemage |
| 23:01.51 | Tryblithe | -_- |
| 23:02.00 | Kynlem | Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a completely unintentional side effect |
| 23:02.02 | Tryblithe | my oh my |
| 23:02.07 | swoolley-work | Kynlem: agreed |
| 23:02.14 | Kynlem | ^^ Another quote from Linus Torvalds |
| 23:02.18 | kryptech | yes |
| 23:02.21 | kryptech | I guessed |
| 23:02.33 | kryptech | I like the codingstandards document though |
| 23:13.12 | Tryblithe | :-\ |
