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00:18.40tang^[17:37] <@Oorgo> heheheh
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00:18.50tang^[18:12] < techn9ne> yea of course it does...
00:18.52tang^[18:13] < Jimzy> and .NET apps using c# is compiled
00:18.54tang^[18:13] < techn9ne> but the point is if you put a .net app beside a java swing app
00:18.58tang^[18:13] < Jimzy> so you would really have to compare it to bytecode to native code translated executables
00:19.01tang^[18:13] < techn9ne> the .net app on the windows platform would be superior
00:19.04tang^[18:13] < techn9ne> obviously you're tied to windows platform w/ .net
00:19.06tang^[18:14] < techn9ne> but the point is... java should be doing everything it can to keep pace
00:19.09tang^[18:15] < Jimzy> well i don't think you need to tell any company that..everybody knows if you don't compete you loose
00:19.12tang^[18:15] < Jimzy> :P
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00:19.24tang^[16:18] < jkk> Spline: link in the javabeans tutorial
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00:19.32tang^[17:37] <@Oorgo> heheheh
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00:19.45tang^[18:12] < techn9ne> yea of course it does...
00:19.47tang^[17:37] <@Oorgo> heheheh
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00:19.58tang^[18:12] < techn9ne> yea of course it does...
00:20.01tang^[17:37] <@Oorgo> heheheh
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00:20.13tang^[18:12] < techn9ne> yea of course it does...
00:20.18tang^[17:37] <@Oorgo> heheheh
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00:20.27tang^[18:12] < techn9ne> yea of course it does...
00:20.30tang^[17:37] <@Oorgo> heheheh
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00:20.41tang^[18:12] < techn9ne> yea of course it does...
00:20.44tang^[17:37] <@Oorgo> heheheh
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00:20.55Pandora-wtf tang^
00:20.56tang^[18:12] < techn9ne> yea of course it does...
00:20.57Pandora-fuck off
00:20.59tang^[17:37] <@Oorgo> heheheh
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00:21.10tang^[18:12] < techn9ne> yea of course it does...
00:21.12tang^[17:37] <@Oorgo> heheheh
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00:21.24tang^[18:12] < techn9ne> yea of course it does...
00:21.27tang^[17:37] <@Oorgo> heheheh
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00:21.39tang^[18:12] < techn9ne> yea of course it does...
00:21.41tang^[17:37] <@Oorgo> heheheh
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00:21.53tang^[18:12] < techn9ne> yea of course it does...
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00:36.00CSMancan anybody give a hand in getting the mod_webapp connector working in my apache 2?
01:10.35Pandora-good luck
01:10.39Pandora-its a bitch
01:10.55Pandora-i've only gotten it working with 1.3
01:13.29CSManreally
01:14.11CSManheh...
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02:37.52tang^holy crap
02:38.22tang^my apologies to the channel... my kid got hold of the mouse
02:52.52CSManlol
02:53.09CSMani'm on a quest on howto get webapp work with apache2
02:53.26CSMananybody has any idea?
02:54.54tang^not me.  I only managed jk2
02:57.13CSManyeah, ppl manage with jk2, it'd be good to tell ppl how you can do it with webapp =D
02:59.00tang^depends.  I thought somebody said that webapp wasn't being developed any more while jk/jk2 was
03:00.03CSManhmmmm...
03:00.06CSMani see...
03:00.16CSManwell, i guess i can go thru jk2 then
03:00.35CSMancould you tell me some basic steps to make it work with apache2?
03:00.37CSMan=)
03:01.29tang^well first off you need to get the connectors and compile jk2
03:05.23tang^once you have that, the connectors documentation for jk2 can be used.  you need to set up workers2.properties in the apache conf and jk2.properties in tomcat conf
03:06.56tang^I should really have written down the gotchas I ran into while compiling mine
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04:06.29redoxhello
04:07.18redoxI'm having problems including my css file in my index file on tomcat. Anyone experience such a problem?
04:07.38tang^not offhand
04:09.11redoxI've seen this question asked around on newsgroups and mailing lists but I haven't seen any good answers
04:09.41tang^wierd... got a public server to look at?
04:11.23redoxno its on a local server. Basically I'm including the style sheet but the web page is being displayed without it. The path to the css file is right so thats not a problem. btw I put everything in ROOT directory
04:12.46tang^is the href to the css relative, full or empty?
04:12.59tang^ie: this is mine - <link rel="StyleSheet" href="styles1.css" type="text/css">
04:14.14redoxyeh its just like that. If I put that in a servlet then it works. But currently I have that in index.html file and it doesn't
04:14.40tang^the css is in ROOT as well?
04:14.55redoxyeh
04:15.29redoxreally wierd but I've come across other people with the same problem
04:16.18tang^that was index.html?
04:17.13redoxyeh it doesn't work when its embedded in an html file.  Before when I used to run it on regular Apache it worked fine but now on Tomcat it doesnt'
04:17.42tang^I'm just wondering if there's some difference between index.html and index.jsp
04:18.43tang^doesn't appear to be the case on my server
04:20.06redoxstrange, thanks anyways
04:20.19tang^which version tomcat?
04:22.05redox4.0.4
04:22.19tang^just a tad old
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04:34.07tang^hooray for BIOS updates that don't fry your system ;-)
04:34.18tang^focus, tang. focus
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05:19.40inkedmni must be missing something, but i've followed the RUNNING.txt file exactly and tomcat isn't starting (and it's not giving any errors)
05:20.47inkedmn(i'm in linux, btw)
05:21.43inkedmnand when i stop it, i get a big old traceback starting w/ Connection Refused
05:22.08tang^which would make sense if it didn't start at all
05:22.35inkedmnindeed
05:22.55tang^which version tomcat? how installed?
05:23.06inkedmnjust so i'm clear, i just need to set JAVA_HOME and CATALINA_HOME?
05:23.09jkkhas anybody ever used the BeanContext api?
05:23.21inkedmn4.1.24
05:23.22tang^jkk: not I
05:23.36inkedmnand i just dl'd the tar.gz file and untarred it in /usr/local
05:24.30tang^inkedmn: you are starting it as root or its own account? are the file permissions such that whatever account you start as can write files into the logs directory?
05:24.47jkktang^: i wonder why. it seems like it'd be more than possible to build the servlet api on top of the BeanContext api.
05:24.49inkedmntang^: i've tried both, same result each time
05:26.59inkedmntang^: can i show you what i get when i run startup.sh?
05:27.08inkedmn(just to make sure it's what's supposed to be happening)
05:27.16inkedmnit's like 5 lines
05:27.21tang^inkedmn: sure dump it in #flood
05:27.30inkedmnalright
05:28.35tang^is that JAVA_HOME correct?
05:29.07inkedmnyes
05:29.29inkedmnwell, it doesn't have to be pointed at the /bin directory, does it?
05:30.03inkedmnjust the main java directory
05:30.14tang^just wondered because mine is j2sdk1.4.1_01
05:30.34tang^just the main
05:30.49inkedmnok
05:30.59inkedmninkedmn@skank:/usr/local/jakarta-tomcat-4.1.24/bin$ ls $JAVA_HOME
05:31.07inkedmnCOPYRIGHT  LICENSE  README  README.html  bin  demo  include  jre  lib  man  src.zip
05:31.12tang^and there's nothing in logs
05:31.15tang^?
05:34.00tang^you change anything in tomcat before starting it up?
05:34.35inkedmnok apparently 8080 is already in use...
05:34.40inkedmnaccording to the log
05:34.43tang^oops
05:34.53tang^that'll do it
05:34.54inkedmnbut i don't have any idea what would be using it...
05:35.15inkedmnheh, yeah
05:36.33tang^as root, run "netstat -nlp | grep 8080" to get your answer
05:36.48inkedmnok
05:37.01tang^hmm, I really need to finish fixing my web site so I can upgrade from 4.1.18
05:37.07inkedmnbah, effing wwwoffled
05:37.33inkedmni don't even know what the hell that program does, debian just installed it without asking...
05:37.34tang^a proxy?
05:38.03inkedmnno idea
05:38.05inkedmnbut, it's gone
05:38.08tang^it's an offline explorer
05:38.47tang^set your browser's proxy to port 8080 on your machine and wwwoffle will cache all the stuff you surf
05:39.19inkedmnah
05:39.21inkedmnwell, i'm outta here
05:39.25inkedmnthanks for the help, i'll have to figure it out later
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06:59.54jkkThe_Vulture: what do you do when your junit test case constructor throws an exception?
07:00.45The_Vulturestop doing non-trivial stuff in the constructor I suppose..
07:00.59The_Vultureif it's JUnit's fault, I write a unit test that shows the failure, if possible, and report it to the developers
07:02.21jkkThe_Vulture: i have an abstract base test class where i just read in a 'test.properties' file in the ctor... now junit wants me to add a default constructor that throws an exception to all my tests
07:02.24jkkis there a better way?
07:03.38The_Vultureyou mean when your test case constructor can throw an exception (rather than when it actually is).. how does JUnit express that it "wants" you to add a default constructor that throws an exception to all your tests?
07:03.48The_VultureI'd think it'd be the compiler telling you that, not JUnit.
07:04.57jkkThe_Vulture: well duh, it's the compiler. how do i fix it?
07:05.17jkkis it ok to call 'fail()' in the constructor of a test case? and how come fail() doesn't take a throwable argument?
07:05.32The_Vulturestop declaring that your constructor throws an exception, catch it there, or declare that all your subclasses constructors throw that exception as well
07:05.53The_VultureI suspect you really should be doing this reading in stuff in the setUp method.. but that
07:05.56The_Vultures just me
07:06.15The_VultureIn any case, is there any problem with having your subclass constructors (or subclass' setUp methods) throw that exception?
07:07.12jkkThe_Vulture: but this is non-trivial stuff, and junit calls setUp each time a test* method is invoked
07:07.47The_Vultureyes.. that's kind of important whent doing tests, you don't want one test accidently effecting others
07:08.00jkkThe_Vulture: but this is stuff that really should only happen once
07:08.52The_VultureI'd probably disagree (since I Don't know the specifics I can't say for sure), setUp is there for the stuff that's necessary to run the test..
07:09.08The_Vulturein any case, is there a problem with declaring your constructor throws whatever exception you want it to?
07:10.31The_Vultureone of the suggestions in setUp is for network connections, those are certainly non-trivial, and probably cost more than reading a file or two (depending on the size, yes, but you get the point)
07:11.41jkkThe_Vulture: so you think it's ok to do non-trivial stuff in setUp? hmmm, interesting ... i don't want to have to create a default ctor in all my tests, i need tests to be quick and dirty to write... but i see your point. thanks for your advice.
07:12.41The_Vulturenp, the docs seem to be pretty clear that setting the test up should be done in setUp.. I dunno why you'd be writing constructors in your TestCases at all, in general (you used to have to write a simple constructor that took a String or something I think.. I think that's deprecated now)
07:15.36jkkThe_Vulture: hmm, interesting point of view. ill look into it. i wish there were some clearly defined best practices for using junit
07:17.55The_Vulture*nods* I haven't really used it extensively, used it a bit on some assignments last year, I really should setup a subversion, junit, maybe maven, etc working area, and just throw some stuff into the mix
07:18.48jkkyeah, just gotta practice, practice practice
07:18.55jkki'm gonna use maven on my container project
07:19.09The_Vulture*nods* neat-o
07:19.13jkki think. i've heard a lot of bad things about maven particularly about it's beta status.
07:19.45jkkand the way it does jar dependency resolution is just scary (based on the jar filename). but i think i might give it a whirl. i love ant tho, so who knows.
07:19.49The_VultureI haven't looked into it too much, but I really want a nice modular, general build system (something along the lines of NetBeans nbbuild system)
07:21.26The_Vultureany idea where the Maven page has gone?
07:21.50The_Vulturehttp://jakarta.apache.org/turbine/mavin is no longer in existence.. maybe it's in the process of being moved, perhaps coming a standalone jakarta project.. *shrugs*
07:22.03The_Vultureah, sorry, there it is
07:22.05The_Vulturemaven.apache.org
07:22.08jkkThe_Vulture: maven.apache.org
07:22.12jkkit's top-level now
07:22.15The_Vulturegoogle hasn't quite caught up
07:22.45jkkit's wierd that maven is top-level and doesn't even have a 1.0 yet, i heard that also pissed a lot of people off
07:22.47The_Vulturesomeone must have decided it's a rather big deal, not many other jakarta projects have got their own domains that I know of
07:23.14The_Vulturegone from being a subproject of turbine, to it's own top level project, in some way, above all other jakarta projects.. certain to piss someone off
07:24.11jkkyes, indeed
07:25.27The_Vultureinteresting icon: http://maven.apache.org/images/logos/maven-propaganda.png
07:25.49jkkheh, slightly disturbing.
07:25.56The_Vulture*nods*
07:38.00jkkyou know, i am really liking the BeanContext api
07:38.08jkki dunno why sun doesn't use it more
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08:51.07redoxhello
08:52.30redoxanyone ever have a problem with using CSS files with Tomcat? it doesn't seem to work for me
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14:17.59dizzysaurusok, nickserv didn't complain about that one.
14:19.39dizzysaurusHello.  I'm a sysadmin in charge of a tomcat installation.  I have a professor saying that his phoenix browser became infected with a javascript file after he visited a tomcat served page - the javascript apparently redirects his browser to porn sites.  Anybody know anything about this?
14:21.21The_Vulturedizzysaurus: that'd certainly not have anything to do with Tomcat itself, at best, to do with a poorly configured web browser, and some malicious content someone put on your server
14:21.33The_Vulturechances are it's actually related to some stupid porn site he visited
14:21.37dizzysaurusindeed
14:22.09dizzysaurusI will investigate further - at least it's not a known tomcat worm or anything.  Thank you for your help
14:23.21The_VultureWell I can't guarantee it's not a tomcat worm, but I don't know about it, and I certainly doubt it is, if you seriously think it could be you could check the bug tracking system, and/or the tomcat-users mailing list which I guess exists
14:25.58dizzysaurusyeah, there's nothing in the tomcat bugzilla
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14:57.37mDuffIs there a way to specify that my AJP (Coyote) connector only listen for connections from localhost?
15:01.17mDuffmmm... useful.
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15:11.34larsbotwhat do I do when tomcat won't  recognize my application, nor tell my why?
15:12.20The_Vulturelarsbot: where's your application, why do you expect tomcat to "recognise" it, and what do you expect it to do, exactly, and what does it do?
15:16.50larsbotI put the application directory in webapps/
15:16.55larsbotthen start tomcat
15:17.10mDufflarsbot: checked the logs?
15:17.19larsbottry to acecss the web application and get "the requested resource isnot vaialble"
15:17.28larsbotthe application is not mentioned in the logs, which is what puzzles me
15:17.38larsbotthis is tomcat 4.1.24, btw
15:19.38larsbotif I do "grep omnigator /var/tomcat4/logs/*" I get nothing...
15:19.43The_Vulturelarsbot: and what exactly did you put in webapps and where did you put it
15:19.43larsbotomnigator is the webapp
15:20.33larsbotput it in /var/tomcat4/webapps, where the other ones are
15:20.57The_Vulturebe more specific, provide some complete paths to the relevent files in your webapp (eg: web.xml, one or two of the classes/jsps etc)
15:20.58larsbotI put the directory that contains index.jsp, WEB-INF etc there and called it 'omnigator'
15:21.17mDufflarsbot, so there exists a file /var/tomcat4/webapps/omngator/WEB-INF/web.xml?
15:21.25larsbotyes
15:21.58The_Vulturelarsbot: provide complete paths.. case sensitive etc
15:22.15larsbot[larsga@localhost larsga]$ ll /var/tomcat4/webapps/omnigator/WEB-INF/web.xml
15:22.15larsbot-rw-rw-r--    1 larsga   larsga       5503 Feb 12 17:20 /var/tomcat4/webapps/omnigator/WEB-INF/web.xml
15:22.23larsbotit's there
15:22.40The_Vultureand after restarting tomcat, and going to the admin or manager contexts, you don't see omnigator there?
15:22.51The_Vulturedo you have any other custom webapps in /var/tomcat4/webapps/ ?
15:22.58larsbotI don't have manager/admin installed
15:23.08larsbotnope, no other custom ones, though I can acecss tomact-docs
15:23.12The_Vultureshould be installed by default..
15:23.24larsbotnot inlcuded in the rpm I used, though there is one that has them
15:24.19The_Vulturenothing much I can suggest except to try a simple "hello world" like webapp test, or some pre-existing .wars that are verified (eg: from some pre-existing and functional project, your own, or a 3rd party)..
15:25.30larsbothmmmm. I can try a simpler webapp that's just a servlet and see if that works
15:25.34larsbotthanks, anyway
15:29.46tang^umm, grepping for omnigator isn't necessarily going to turn up your webapp.  manually looking at logs/catalina.out might give you a clue, though
15:31.09larsbotdid that, but there are no complaints there
15:31.20larsbottomcat seems as happy as a clam
15:31.49tang^that is wierd, then
15:36.48tang^hmm, the sample build.xml that ships with the tomcat-docs is horribly borked
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16:27.45iannis/the sample build.xml that ships with// s/-docs//
16:27.46iannioops
16:27.49iannihehe
16:46.15tang^heh
17:24.10CSManmr The_Vulture
17:24.14CSMan=D
17:25.00CSManuhmmm.. i'm on a quest of getting mod_webapp to work with apache2, anybody have some info?
17:26.21CSMans/of/for
17:30.38CSMan=(
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20:57.21tang^more or less
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23:52.20rekhow's the job market for java programmers?

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