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00:05.59Mattekthere is any clue about the cause of this : java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: javax/servlet/http/HttpServlet ???
00:11.57vinse_workyep
00:18.35Matteksigh
00:20.04vinse_workMattek: this is from tomcat?
00:20.08vinse_workin the logs?
00:20.10vinse_workon a jsp page?
00:20.12vinse_workwhat?
00:20.17vinse_workfrom your ide?
00:22.48Mattekvinse_work: yes a servlet from tomcat
00:25.58Mattekthe problem is that it run the HelloWorldExample.class correctly
00:26.53Mattekbut it does not run correctly edu.rice.rubis.servlet.BrowseCategories.class
00:27.47Mattekok apart from the erroneous .class that i added, i compiled the two classes with the same classpath
00:30.02Matteki guess its a web.xml issue
00:33.13faded_Anyone know if I need JCE for performing AES encryption in java 1.5?
00:36.15RProgrammerWhich is better AJP13 or JNI?
00:37.38RProgrammerScratch that, no one answers anyway
00:38.11RProgrammerHow about this:
00:38.11RProgrammerIf I get embedded tomcat, it still uses connectors and it's own directory right?
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00:42.14Blissterhello
00:43.25RProgrammerHi
00:43.28RProgrammerDarn
00:47.40RProgrammerI CANT TAKE THE LATENCY
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00:50.50vinse_workyou really need to jump from 6+
00:50.57vinse_workunless you just want to cripple yourself
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01:21.00RProgrammerSpeak now or forever hold your peace!
01:30.14RProgrammerOk, peace held
01:32.25faded_5 is quite high tbh
01:32.58RProgrammertbh?
01:33.04vinse_workwell you know
01:33.07vinse_workif you want to be sure
01:33.17vinse_work(16:50:01) ***RProgrammer laughs hysterically while throwing himself out his 5th story window
01:33.18vinse_work(16:50:03) RProgrammer left the room.
01:33.18vinse_work(16:53:10) vinse_work: you really need to jump from 6+
01:33.18vinse_work(16:53:17) vinse_work: unless you just want to cripple yourself
01:33.35vinse_worktbh = to be honest
01:33.37RProgrammerohh
01:34.37RProgrammerYeah, I figured that out, that's why I can re-join from the hospital bed
01:34.37RProgrammerMAYBE I DIDN'T WANT TO LIVE?!?!?!
01:34.40RProgrammerlol
01:35.38RProgrammerDoes Tomcat have JNI by default?
01:39.00RProgrammerESA: 7 minutes
01:44.06RProgrammerSome of you guys have average idle times of ~10-20 min, but what is the deal with all the people with days or weeks idle, in all the chat rooms? Did they go on vacation and forget to turn off their computers?
01:45.00swenteRProgrammer: i guess some live in other timezones
01:45.30RProgrammerNo, I mean they have not said anything for 72hrs
01:46.19swentehmm .. perhaps they have other things to do
01:46.33lykenyer!
01:46.35lykenlike me!
01:46.36RProgrammerbut why stay in the channel?
01:46.43lykenlogging
01:46.46lykensomething may be said of interest
01:46.49lykenthen you can search your logs
01:46.54lykensee if anyone has had that problem
01:46.58lykenand reference it
01:47.17lykenand my server sits in a data center
01:47.33lykenand hasnt been rebooted in over 200 days
01:47.50RProgrammerinteresting
01:48.05RProgrammerfinally I understand
01:48.15lykenmy home computers get rebooted once a week or something
01:48.26lykendepends on what i do to break them enough to require a reboot
01:48.55RProgrammerSo how about this:
01:48.55RProgrammer<PROTECTED>
01:50.48lykenin the modules directory
01:51.02lykenso where ever php and the rest of the mod_X are stored
01:52.02RProgrammeroh, yeah not plugins, modules
01:52.39RProgrammerSo it does, I thought so, I was just confused by the example using libexec
01:54.31lykenarh
01:54.41lykenits hidden in the last line of the connectors documentation
01:55.07lykenAlso as with other Apache modules, mod_jk should be first installed on the modules directory of your Apache webserver, ie : /usr/lib/apache and you should update your httpd.conf file.
01:56.38RProgrammerok
01:58.59RProgrammerOk, here's one: Is the JkMount directive relative to /apache or /tomcat?
01:59.46lykenthe webapps base i believer
01:59.53RProgrammerok
01:59.57lykenso in the example in the documentation
02:00.11lykenit says JKMount /examples/*.jsp
02:00.12lyken<PROTECTED>
02:00.30lykencontext being the webapplication in /webapps
02:00.39lykenor wherever you've defined that context to be in tomcat
02:01.05RProgrammerok
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02:01.26lykenbtw, ive not used mod_jk in forever
02:01.36vinse_workmod_jk sucks
02:01.42vinse_workare you 100% sure you need it?
02:01.48lykenso this is all 5 years old memories (probably hazy after 2 years of constant brain abus)
02:01.49RProgrammerThen what do you use?
02:01.57lykenmod_proxy or stand alone
02:01.59vinse_workRProgrammer: stand alone tomcat
02:08.21RProgrammerSorry
02:08.40RProgrammerSo, how does Apache connect to stand-alone tomcat?
02:10.42vinse_work...
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02:11.06vinse_workRProgrammer: you have an existing app on apache that you need to integrate tomcat with?
02:11.27RProgrammerApache is installed on my server, yes
02:11.39vinse_work...
02:11.50vinse_workyou have a site running on apache now?
02:12.07vinse_workor you just happen to have apache
02:12.08vinse_work?
02:12.12RProgrammerIt works, I need tomcat before I make a site that does anything
02:12.28vinse_workyou can use tomcat to host a site totally independent of apache
02:12.32vinse_workis what i'm trying to say
02:12.53vinse_workis there some reason you have to use tomcat and apache together?
02:13.07vinse_workcuz if not you shouldnt
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02:14.14RProgrammerWhy not?
02:14.14RProgrammerIsn't apache the best web server available?
02:14.45vinse_workok i'm *just* about done with you :/
02:14.54RProgrammerheh
02:15.22RProgrammerWell, regardless I need to integrate Tomcat into my existing apache server
02:15.33vinse_workyou *need* to?
02:15.35vinse_workok then
02:15.40vinse_workand what version of apache?
02:15.43RProgrammer2
02:15.45RProgrammer.0
02:15.54vinse_workthen i think you can use um
02:16.04vinse_workmod_proxy or that otyher one
02:16.09vinse_workbut mod_jk is a hassle to set up
02:16.13vinse_workand most people dont need it
02:16.14RProgrammerother one?
02:16.21vinse_workand probably no one here will help you with it
02:16.24vinse_work(i know i wont)
02:17.00vinse_workyeah i'm blanking on the name, google for "mod_jk alternatives" or something
02:19.50RProgrammergoogle doesn't help
02:20.24RProgrammerheh
02:20.33lykenheres something for you vinse
02:20.35lykenhttp://peanutbutterbriantime.ytmnd.com/
02:20.38lykenyou can have a nice laugh
02:20.58vinse_workheh i can do you one better
02:21.02vinse_worksec let me get the link
02:21.10vinse_workthis is minutes of entertainment'
02:21.50vinse_workhttp://www.microsoft.com/korea/events/ready2005/vs%5fsong.asp
02:21.50vinse_worktrust me, it's gold
02:23.15lykenHAHAHAHAHA
02:24.02vinse_workthere's a translation at the bottome
02:24.34lykenkorean hip hop
02:24.38lykenthis is truly gold
02:24.45lykenvinse was it you that taged my blog? :)
02:24.54vinse_workno
02:25.16lykensomeoen from here did
02:25.18lykenheh
02:25.49lykenwhoever i riled up about people being idiots about using more resources
02:26.00lykenand they responded with there is no point cause one person doing something wont make a difference
02:26.04lykenso i kept riling them
02:26.05lykenhehe
02:26.41vinse_workno that was me you riled up
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02:26.49vinse_workbut i didnt post on your blog ;)
02:27.00lykenintersting
02:27.09lykenwell someone posted about that exact thing we spoke about
02:27.14lykeni was like, wtf!
02:27.22vinse_worki was not aware you even had a blog
02:27.29vinse_workand i wouldnt have posted on it even if i were
02:27.31lykeni dont advertise it usually
02:27.40lykenits just another page on the web
02:27.47lykenand im too busy/lazy to post reguarly anymore
02:27.56lykenand also lifes boring so i got nothing interesting to post about
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02:29.08SixpipeWhy is the default build class structure so weird in NetBeans?
02:29.41vinse_workeven if that was an answerable question (i dont think it is), why would you ask it in #tomcat?
02:29.47lykenSixpipe: cause netbeans sucks ass
02:29.59lykenvim + javac == ftw!!
02:31.14vinse_worklyken: you see that guy who implented vi in javascript?
02:31.21lykenlol no
02:31.24vinse_workwell and some other basic shell stuff
02:31.26lykenthats leet :)
02:31.32lykenuseless but leet
02:31.42RProgrammerIs server.xml supposed to be in tomcat/conf?
02:32.04vinse_workhttp://www.masswerk.at/jsuix/
02:32.05lykenyer
02:32.09vinse_workRProgrammer: yes
02:32.14RProgrammerok
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02:33.40Mhello
02:34.14vinse_workhello
02:34.36Mif anyone's proficient with servlet-mapping: how would I make it so that all requests go to my certain servlet
02:35.06Mthe most intuitive, <url-pattern>*</url-pattern>, doesn't seem to work
02:37.12vinse_workM: i would think tha'ts it
02:37.26vinse_workM: how bout /* ?
02:41.13Mthat doesn't seem to do it either
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02:46.03RProgrammerDoes jakarta-tomcat-worker.so get to be mod_jk.so or is it jakarta-tomcat-prefork.so?
02:46.30Moh, yep. I found out why
02:46.59Mor remembered why rather
02:47.37Mplacing * will trap all further requests. so, I can't include a jsp file without the * catching it and sending it to the servlet, recursively and without end
02:48.23Mso I guess the question is, how do I include a jsp file without triggering a servlet-mapping?
02:51.41RProgrammerSorry to ask again, but this is the only thing keeping me back now:
02:51.41RProgrammer<PROTECTED>
02:56.10Mis there a way to map everything except a certain pattern?
02:56.24Mor to exclude a certain pattern from a mapping
02:56.40Msay, foo.srv from *.srv?
03:05.07RProgrammerWhat does the download readme file mean when it says 'embedded'?
03:05.12RProgrammerhttp://government-grants.org/mirrors/apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-5/v5.5.12/README.html
03:06.14Mas part of apache and not on it's lonesome, but I really have no idea
03:07.15RProgrammerGood, at least someone doesn't have the latency of a 30 Baud modem
03:08.07RProgrammerSo, do you think it means embedded as in using the connectors, or even more embedded than that?
03:08.52MI really have no idea, I use tomcat as a standalone service, so I havn't played with that
03:09.16RProgrammertomcat stand-alone, as in no apache?
03:09.24Myup
03:09.49RProgrammerwell, sadly that's not an option for me
03:20.28Mwhich file can I define an application context in?
03:27.14RProgrammerOn the tomcat mod_jk download page, I see tomcat-prefork.so and tomcat-worker.so,, and the README doesn't talk about them, so which one do I need?
03:28.14Mdunno myself
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04:03.14RProgrammerIt's official, there is no reason what so ever to log this channel
04:03.26RProgrammerAdios
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04:20.23faded_inasmuch IS a word
04:21.39vinse_workholy shit
04:21.44vinse_workthat comment was like 9 hours ago
04:21.57vinse_workyou sure?
04:22.00faded_i know.. was just reading a book and it was there
04:22.07vinse_workcrazy
04:22.10faded_had to let you know. haha.
04:22.15vinse_worki tried "define: inasmuch" on google
04:22.19vinse_workand got no results
04:22.22faded_strange...
04:22.24vinse_worki'll check dictionary.com
04:22.50vinse_workyep
04:22.53vinse_workit's there
04:23.11vinse_workIn`as*much"\, adv. [In + as + much.] In like degree; in like manner; seeing that; considering that; since; -- followed by as
04:23.20faded_might use it more often then.. :p
04:23.47vinse_workit didnt look right
04:24.05faded_in fact I have an essay on enterprise computing. I'll included it there..
04:24.11faded_include*
04:24.55vinse_workheh nice
04:24.59vinse_workglad i could help ;p
04:36.27lykenheh
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06:28.38NamNThttp://www.bloged.co.uk/archives/001248.php
06:28.54NamNTsome fat guy singing the song in little chicken :-D
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06:39.02lykenlol
06:39.54jasonbHow's it going lyken?
06:40.10jasonbIt's sure been quiet in here.
06:40.25lykendoing windows support over cell phone
06:40.29lykenim about to drive over to this gys house
06:40.31lykenand stab him
06:41.26jasonbI guess when the debian guys give up on their own packages, and when the stock answer to the "why doesn't my mod_jk work?" question is "you don't need it." it gets mighty quiet in here because those are about the only things people ask about in here.
06:41.37lykenlol yer
06:41.45lykeni never do
06:41.48lykenbut its my brother in law..
06:43.42jasonbWindoze support by phone is a lot like a smoking quitters hotline.
06:52.08lykeni have that tshirt!
06:52.30lykenand 'you are dumb' in binary
06:52.35lykenand 'will work for bandwidth'
06:52.37lykenshirts :)
06:53.16jasonbheh.
07:07.35vinse_workhaha jasonb
07:07.44vinse_worki told like 3 people they didnt need mod_jk today ;)
07:08.47vinse_workalso dont forget "why do i get No driver found for class '', url = NULL
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07:23.25lykenlol
07:23.37lyken'NoClassDefFound' what does that mean
07:23.41lykenuh, that you're a n00b
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16:39.43faded_hi. I am trying to make use f the javamail package, however the 'package does not exist' when I try to import javax.mail.* - I have mail.jar and activation.jar in the common/lib subdir of tomcat
16:41.07linuxfreckcheck that the jar files are readable by the user that runs tomcat and not corrupt
16:42.40linuxfreckalso did you restart tomcat after copying the files
16:45.21faded_yes I did..
16:45.29faded_could it be to do with the classpath?
16:46.04faded_at the moment I am compiling by javac -classpath /path/to/servlet-api.jar file.java
16:46.13faded_can I add mail.jar to this?
16:47.01vito_yeah, I figured it was a compile error.... sounded it
16:47.02PyIf I have this bean http://pastebin.com/436247 available in a jsp session, shouldn't this code on a jsp page <c:if test="${nameOfBean.isAdmin}">He is admin</c:if> output "He is admin" if the boolean "isAdmin" property is true?
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16:47.20Kasicahello
16:47.28Kasicaim looking for a tomcat guru
16:47.31vito_you need mail.jar and activation.jar on your classpath, yes
16:47.41linuxfreckfaded_: you get that error when compiling?
16:47.42Kasicastill having problems with WatchedResource's
16:48.02faded_yes when compiling. what is the syntax for adding more than one jar to the -classpath?
16:48.41Kasicawhen i add WatchedResource tomcat just look for it while starting , it does not make sence
16:49.14linuxfreckPy: the function in the bean should be named isAdmin() and not getIsAdmin()
16:49.21Kasicaim try to define context in conf/Catalina/domainname.com/context.xml but also does not work
16:49.32vito_although it is noble to learn the command line compiling structure .... ( use your systems path separator to add more jars, ";" for windows, ":" for linux )
16:49.52vito_you should eventually switch to a build tool like ANT
16:50.30Pylinuxfreck: so ${nameOfBean.someFunction} actually calls someFunction?
16:51.44PyI thought that it would get the value of the property named after the dot using the getter method for this property...
16:51.47faded_ok, I was using the correct syntax... the error does seem to be with permissions
16:51.53faded_thanks vito_ linuxfreck
16:53.10linuxfreckPy: I don't know enough about el to be able to answer that, but methods returning boolean values in beans should be called is...()
16:54.02Pylinuxfreck: ok will dig about this, anyway I just found the bug: was a case problem in the name of my bean :-(
16:54.06Pyshame on me
16:54.45Pylinuxfreck: if "isAdmin()" is the getter method, how should the setter method be named?
16:55.04PysetAdmin(boolean admin) ?
16:55.21linuxfreckyes, iirc
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17:10.45PyIf I have several filters defined in a specific order in my web.xml, and a request matches several of them, am I right to assume that they're ordered in the same order than in my web.xml file in the FilterChain?
17:11.47Pyeg, if it does match filters A and B (in this order in my web.xml), can I assume inside B's code that the request "passed" filter A ?
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17:24.18Duck1123does anyone know what the error "Exception invoking method check" means?
17:24.51Duck1123I get it when I try to deploy a servlet
17:25.27linuxfreckplease paste the complete error message into http://rafb.net/paste so we can look at it
17:27.04Duck1123done
17:28.00linuxfreckthat's in manager, right=
17:28.13Duck1123yes
17:28.23Duck1123I'm trying to deploy eXist
17:28.54linuxfrecklook into the tomcat logs, it should have some more verbose messages
17:41.14Duck1123log posted
17:41.34linuxfreckwhat's the url?
17:41.53Duck1123http://rafb.net/paste/results/gqggWQ24.html
17:45.00faded_I am getting bash: /path/to/mail.jar: permission denied. but I do have permission..
17:45.22faded_when trying to compile my servlet
17:47.01linuxfreckhow do you compile the servlet?
17:48.09faded_thats my prob.. I am adding the paths to mail.jar, servlet-api.jar and activation.jar to the -classpath of javac, and I get these permission errors
17:48.49faded_also $CLASSPATH seems correct, all the paths are correct there
17:49.00linuxfreckwell you're doing something wrong there, because bash shouldn't complain about jar files
17:49.08linuxfreckso what command do you give?
17:49.36faded_javac -classpath /path/to/file.jar;/path/to/another.jar file.java
17:50.08linuxfreck: and not ; is the path separator
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17:50.27faded_right thanks
18:02.31Duck1123so, does anybody have any idea what could be causing that error?
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18:49.32crackheadif I have  a list...how can I output the length using <c:out>?
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19:34.49RProgrammerAre you SLEEPING?
19:35.31vinse_workRProgrammer: we are if you're going to ask about mod_jk again
19:36.00RProgrammerNo
19:36.00RProgrammerJust tomcat
19:36.33RProgrammerWhat does the download page mean by 'embedded'?
19:38.05RProgrammerIn the readme packaging information
19:40.08RProgrammer15 minutes encounting
19:40.10RProgrammer...
19:41.19Hugh_where you run the tomcat from within your own application, rather than starting it as a standalone server
19:41.55Hugh_a google on "embedded tomcat" gives an example of this for tomcat 4.0 (bit out of date now, but the principle should be the same) - http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2002/04/03/tomcat.html
19:43.37RProgrammerso, embedded uses connectors, not stand-alone, right?
19:43.38Hugh_it might be flame-bait here, but i believe jetty might be considered by some as smaller/more lightweight and therefore more suitable for embedding
19:44.42Hugh_well both use connectors i believe (i'm not totally au fait with the terminology)
19:45.39Hugh_the first goog hit is even nicer: http://shinzui.org/space/Tomcat/Embedded+Tomcat
19:46.31RProgrammerSo, I want an Apache web server with tomcat capabilities, do I need embedded or stand-alone?
19:47.29Hugh_you want the non-embedded version
19:47.39RProgrammerok, thanks
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20:21.20vinse_workHugh_: did you just say "au fait" ?
20:21.43RProgrammerI wouldn't say 'just'
20:22.46vinse_workheh
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21:13.07crackheadanyone know what functions (fn) are available in el pre el 2.0?
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