irclog2html for #tomcat on 20061205

00:00.00brianlucidcobaltsixty: i have enough knowledge to be dangerous, as they say.. obviously not as detailed as you though :)
00:00.41brianlucidpfn: ok, i like the suggestion.  that might KISS and save me some trouble
00:00.42cobaltsixtypfn, isn't IT meant to bring confusion whenever we thought there weren't? :)
00:00.59cobaltsixtybrianlucid, however, I'm just curious: Why the need to load up a wordlist?
00:02.56brianlucidcobaltsixty: ahh, annie/GATE is a long-standing natural-language processing tool used for analysis of any text in any language.  have you seen in google mail where it notifies you of an event when somebody says "ok everyone, meeting next thursday at 2pm downtown at the marriott hotel" and google extracts "Add to meeting: Thursday 10/15/06, 2pm, Marriott Hotel"
00:03.11brianlucidcobaltsixty: same deal
00:07.26cobaltsixtybrianlucid, looks interesting. I was just considering whether or not lucene could make up to the list
00:07.39cobaltsixtybrianlucid, any pointers on this? looks a good idea for a side project
00:09.08brianlucidI'm actually using the two together.  I don't anticipate any problems using them hand-in-hand and know that's what many people are doing for bio-medical research
00:09.43cobaltsixtyAren't you planning to do some sort of virtual helpdesk, doesn't you? :)
00:09.54brianlucidcobaltsixty: it's pretty cool.  just depends on if you have a need for it and how much time you want to put into it
00:10.17brianlucidcobaltsixty: am i planning on making a virtual helpdesk? nope
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00:28.05cobaltsixtybrianlucid, Just wondering. I'm looking to implement an AIML bot to act as a virtual faq interface
00:28.46brianlucidcobaltsixty: this could probably do what you want, along with a stemmer (like porter) and lucene tied together
00:32.26cobaltsixtyporter?
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00:33.36brianlucidhttp://www.tartarus.org/~martin/PorterStemmer/, I think lucene has one built-in as a factory of sorts.  Assassination, assassinate, assassin => assassin
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01:30.39brianlucidpfn: was able to get that solution dropped in rather primatively, but it appears to fit the bill for right now.. thanks
01:31.46pfnit should be pretty simple
01:32.25brianlucidyeah.. the only thing I worry about is if the application dies, how to release it from the "busy" stack, and I just placed that into an exception so it should still work
01:32.48brianlucidrather, try/catch
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01:41.13cobaltsixtyoh, good. greak stuff.
01:41.33cobaltsixtybrianlucid, do you know any bayesian analysis stuff for lucene?
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01:43.01NotSohey guys, any conclusion?
01:43.17NotSoI've been trying :/
01:43.42NotSoI'm now trying to setup Cacti to monitor mod_jk and Tomcat
01:45.44cobaltsixtyCacti?
01:45.54NotSoyea
01:46.02NotSowww.cacti.net
01:46.04NotSoa monitoring tool
01:46.06cobaltsixtywhat is it? could you give us an introduction?
01:46.14NotSomonitoring SNMP/other
01:46.16NotSolike MRTG
01:46.25yassineyou want to monitor  mod_jk ?
01:46.30NotSoit can graph and monitor other things as well
01:46.32NotSoyea
01:46.40yassinewhy not jkstatus ?
01:46.50NotSohrmm... that may be how it will monitor it
01:46.54yassineits shipped with mod_jk and no more overhead
01:46.59NotSointeresting
01:47.28yassineall you need to do its to add one or two lines in your apache conf
01:47.33cobaltsixtywhat information do you want to gather? Also, it seems you just want to profile your applications, not monitor
01:48.23yassinefor profiling i would suggest moskito
01:48.49yassineunfortunatly i can not state which of the top of my head its late here and i was heading to bed :)
01:49.04NotSohrmm
01:49.04yassine* mosquito *
01:49.11NotSoI'm not sure what informaiton
01:49.11yassinen8 guys
01:49.15NotSoI'm very new :/
01:49.26yassinemaybe tomorow
01:49.32yassinei can tell you more :)
01:49.34NotSoI'm a Sys Admin / Engineer who was assigned to trouble shoot a very serious task
01:49.44NotSothat developers could not figure out
01:50.23yassineNotSo, you hit the mailing list with it :)
01:50.28NotSoyup
01:50.33NotSo3 weeks, no response
01:50.37yassineor mail it to me
01:50.40NotSookay
01:50.52NotSoe-mail?
01:51.03cobaltsixtyNotSo, which kind of issue are you trying to troubleshoot? can you give us an short overview?
01:51.23yassinegn8 now im out :)
01:52.49NotSog'night :)
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01:57.40cobaltsixtywhere did we stopped?
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03:25.55knixIs it considered bad practice to call _jspxFactory directly?
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04:34.28pfnI would imagine so
04:34.31pfnwhy would you do such a thing
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04:45.55LuckysI have tomcat5 running one java application, under windows, when I see the memory consumption, its taken over 80% of the available memory
04:46.22Luckyswill restarting tomcat help?
04:46.42brianlucidyou need to change your java xms xmx settings
04:47.07Luckysthe application is Business Objects
04:47.34Luckyswouldn't it be optimized for this purposes, or is there a way to check that brianlucid ?
04:47.55brianlucidhow are you starting tomcat?
04:49.01pfntaking over 80% of available memory is no big deal if it doesn't keep climbing
04:49.19Luckysbrianlucid, there the service
04:50.38brianlucidi agree with pfn, but check the properties that launch it.  it will probably be in there somewhere, looks like java -Xms192m -Xms192m -server ...
04:51.04Luckysjust a sec...
04:52.32Luckysas in the service parameters there isn't any value specified apart from tomcat5.exe" //RS//BOBJTomcat
04:55.15Luckysbrianlucid, should that be in some other property file?
04:55.33brianlucidyou could check server.xml,  but i'm not running tomcat on windows unfortunately
05:01.38Luckysbrianlucid, I can't find anything in server.xml about the -Xms parameters
05:02.13brianlucidhttp://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=250644&messageID=2177633
05:02.44brianlucidshould help you figure it out..
05:03.22Luckysthanks brianlucid
05:03.25brianlucidnp
05:03.34pfnserver.xml doesn't define any memory size parameters
05:03.48brianlucidi didn't think so, but i wasn't sure how windows rocked it.
05:04.13pfn-Xms/mx are defined in your tomcat startup "script"
05:04.39brianlucidcatalina.bat
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05:06.58LuckysI can't find any parameter set by default in catalina.bat nor in startup.bat
05:07.17pfnit could be setenv.bat
05:07.20pfnor the equivalent for windows
05:07.21brianlucidLuckys: you may have to manually define it under JAVA_OPTS
05:07.35brianlucidif such a variable exists
05:08.05Luckysgoing through the thread, if I specify the max. memory usage for JVM, and if the application requires more, what exactly would happen, would it lead to more disk i/o and hamper performance, or what exactly would happen
05:08.34pfnyou get OOME
05:08.42pfnoutofmemoryerror
05:08.57pfngenerally, you should allocate a little more memory than it requires at its peak
05:09.19Luckysbrianlucid, JAVA_OPTS exists, but nothing "SET" to it though
05:09.23pfn(generally, you slowly increase the max memory value until you stop getting OOME under peak load, then up it maybe 10% over that)
05:09.35pfngive the gc a little headroom to run
05:10.00Luckyspfn, and to determine the initial max. memory setup ?
05:10.27pfnI just told you
05:10.34pfnfind out where it's set in your startup scripts
05:10.39pfngrep -i xmx *.bat
05:10.56brianlucidcan't do that under windows, but similar :)
05:11.00pfngrep -i mx maybe
05:21.40Luckyspfn, as I stated JAVA_OPTS is not set :(
05:21.45Luckyswithin the catalina.bat
05:22.31pfnthere are other scripts
05:23.13pfne.g. service.bat
05:23.13Luckysok, I'll do a search
05:24.50Luckysnope, "mx" leads to jmx.jar specified under catalina.xml and tool-wrapper.bat
05:25.09Luckys"xmx" nothing found
05:25.54pfncase insensitive
05:26.09Luckysyes
05:26.30brianlucidit might not be set, you may have to manually define it.
05:27.00Luckysi think so
05:27.39Luckysthen I'll need one more link as in how to specify the parameter values :)
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05:37.18pfndefault setting is just 64mb
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06:00.58caverdudehello
06:01.52caverdudeI just tried to start tomcat on linux mandriva, after unzipping, running startup.sh or catalina.sh  with same result, said JAVA_HOME var not set, but I can do an echo $JAVA_HOME and see that it is set?
06:03.41caverdudewait maybe I need to set CATALINA_HOME
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09:27.39waspdiggeranybody know anything about tomcat in the jboss AS 4.x?
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09:40.56caverdudehi
09:41.08caverdudeI'm having trouble getting tomcat to startup on linux mandriva
09:41.20caverdudeI know this must be a unix problem
09:41.30caverdudesays the JAVA_HOME var is not set
09:41.39caverdudewhen I echo $JAVA_HOME it is clearly set
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09:53.50doofhi
10:04.21waspdiggerhow did you set your JAVA_HOME?
10:08.57caverdudeok I got it working by setting it in the script
10:09.01caverdudebut tell me this, http://www.arksoft.org does this get you a tomcat page?
10:09.03caverdudewhich should be my server
10:09.05caverdudemy question is, how do I know its on port 80?
10:09.09caverdudeif it comes up it would have to be
10:09.11caverdudemy router is set to relay on port 80
10:09.17caverdudeif I goto my conf folder
10:10.13waspdiggeryup I got a tomcat page.
10:29.19caverdudehrm
10:29.40caverdudewelp I have a Java server now :)
10:30.28caverdudenow I need to figure out how to move the web page I had under www/http/
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10:35.42^red^Hi, I have a problem regarding JDK and Tomcat
10:36.00^red^on one of the old company servers we ran jdk 1.3 *shivers* - updated it
10:36.10^red^but no matter what I do, I can't get Tomcat to realise that JDK has changed
10:36.16^red^(it runs as a service)
10:36.25^red^updated the classpath/java_home, but still no luck
10:36.29^red^anyone got any ideas?
10:38.17^red^tc: 1.4, java: 1.5, os: win2000
10:42.09waspdiggerremove the jsdk 1.3
10:42.26waspdiggerhow did you set the classpath for ur new java?
10:43.01^red^my computer -> right click -> advanced -> environment variables
10:43.13^red^user variables: JAVA_HOME C:\jdk1.5.0_10
10:43.44^red^System variables: CLASS_PATH: %JAVA_HOME%\bin
10:44.00^red^both java -version and echo %JAVA_HOME% shows the right info
10:44.18^red^and uninstalling isn't an option until I know everything works, it's a critical server environment
10:45.23caverdudeok back in business under tomcat
10:45.46caverdudethanks
10:46.57waspdiggerits CLASSPATH not CLASS_PATH
10:47.18^red^yeah I know, just a typo here - it's CLASSPATH that I've used
10:47.20^red^sorry about that
10:47.38waspdiggercheck first if jdk 5 conflicts with ur version of tomcat
10:48.04^red^hmm, how to check that? I am currently running Tomcat 1.4
10:48.53waspdiggercheck the internet I got some problems before regarding old tomcat and jdk 5
10:49.21^red^yeah I've been searching around the last 3 hours trying to find a solution to this
10:49.22waspdiggerim not sure if its tomcat or maven ...
10:49.59^red^I just find it strange that it doesn't even appear to be trying to load the jdk 1.5
10:49.59^red^when all the references are set to that
10:50.10waspdiggertry renaming the old java directory so that tomcat would not be able to reference it
10:50.26waspdiggertrial and error
10:50.53^red^yeah, thats my last resort - though I've kept that solution as a last situation
10:51.20^red^as I'm forced to do a update of a live server environment running quite a few applications for customers
10:51.29^red^as one of our major clients require an update to be installed by this evening
10:51.45^red^which enforces the update of a JDK.. so you can imagine the stressfactor hehe
10:51.55waspdiggerdoes it hold 24/7 apps?
10:52.02^red^yeah
10:52.07^red^and no system update for years
10:52.14waspdiggerthats difficult
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10:52.31^red^so jdk 1.3 was installed, a long with tomcat 1.4
10:52.42^red^which is causing more and more problems with the new developments
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10:53.09niles1hi vijay
10:53.17niles1where are you from?
10:53.24yassine_the wind of change is comming ^red^
10:53.42niles1hi yassine
10:53.46waspdiggersince its a live server why not try setting up a mock server and install old java and tomcat .. then try ur solutions on that mock server?
10:54.10yassinehi niles1
10:54.12^red^waspdigger; I've done that, the solutions are updated and work in an updated environment
10:54.21^red^it's just a matter of getting this live serer
10:54.28^red^to understand that jdk is updated
10:55.07waspdiggerhaha ive done some stupid things before on a live server from our company damn I was reprimanded hehehhehe
10:55.29^red^hehe, I've been ordered to do this
10:55.32^red^I wanted to wait until tonight
10:55.37^red^but appearantly that was not an option
10:55.38^red^<g>
10:55.44waspdiggerbe careful.. as long as it worked fine in the mock server (try running applications on the mock) it would probably work in the live server too
10:56.07^red^yeah most likely it will.. that is, as soon as tomcat can understand that the bloody JDK has been updated
10:56.37waspdiggermake sure there are no conflict with tomcat and java since ur old tomcat is designed to work with old java
10:57.28Vijayniles : hi Niles... hw r u
10:57.32waspdiggeri got to be going ok...
10:57.46waspdiggerits time to go home... got to rest I got tonsilitis
10:57.58Vijayyassine : Hi yassine hw r u
10:57.58nilesh123vijay where are you from?
10:58.18Vijaynilesh123 : India & u
10:58.32^red^thanks for the tips wasp
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11:06.07Vijaynilesh123: hi hw r u
11:06.30nilesh123Vijay i am from ahmedabad
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11:07.07nilesh123one more indian joined us
11:07.10nilesh123hi suren
11:07.17Vijaysuren : hi da
11:07.38Vijaynilesh123 : yeah lot of Indians.... wt do u do...
11:07.40surennilesh123 :hi
11:08.09nilesh123Vijay i am a system admin
11:08.12nilesh123u?
11:08.34Vijaynilesh123 : thts good... whom do u work for i'm s/w developer
11:08.58nilesh123www.elitecore.com
11:09.01nilesh123u?
11:11.29VijayCDAC, Chennai
11:11.56nilesh123ok
11:12.08Vijaywr r u from
11:12.24nilesh123ahmedabad
11:12.38Vijaygood.... thn hw long u've been working
11:13.21nilesh1238 months
11:13.30nilesh1232006 passout
11:13.54Vijaygood....
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12:33.53hezeHi, I'm having trouble launching Tomcat as a service on an oldish server running win2k3. It's running two services via startup.bat -conf scripts but I'd like to run the other one as a service. Tomcat 4.1.31, java 1.4.2_04, event viewer shows error "cannot initialized the JVM". Tried to google for it a bit but can't find anything useful. This should be a minor thing, can anyone point me to the right direction?
13:02.10hezeah cool, figured it out. tried to add -Xms256m -Xmx256m in the registry, after i removed the new attribute, it launches again.
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14:56.27yassineworkhello guys
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15:19.44NotSohey guys
15:20.11yassineworkhi NotSo
15:21.26NotSoheya yassin!
15:21.40NotSoyou know I had a friend named yassin when I was younger ;)
15:22.42yassineworkaha
15:22.47NotSoare you Jewish?
15:22.49NotSohe was :P
15:22.56yassineworkno im not
15:22.58NotSoahhh
15:23.01NotSocool
15:23.05NotSoI'm not either :P
15:23.07NotSojust a question
15:23.31yassineworki dont think that it does matter here (#tomcat) what believes you have
15:23.36NotSoyea ;)
15:23.42NotSowas just a friendly question
15:23.47yassineworknp :)
15:23.55yassineworkhow far are you with your issue ?
15:24.14NotSonot far at all, althouh it produced a 503 error last night which we've been trying to get it to do for a while now
15:24.53yassineworkgo ahead and explain again :)
15:25.26NotSoalright
15:30.27NotSowell first, I'm on Solaris 10, Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_06-b05) , TomCat 5.5.12, Apache 2.0
15:31.22SimplySethso what's the trigger to make a war auto deploy ?
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15:35.15yassineworkthe time stamp of the file
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15:39.19SimplySethSo which file do I have edit and what do I have to set to enable a *.war to auto-deploy ?
15:39.55SimplySethtomcat5-5.5.12
15:42.21yassineworknormally if you did not touch the server.xml its  doing that by default
15:47.16knixHow would I go about establishing a JDBC connection within a JSP? It's complaining that it cannot access localhost
15:47.16knixCaused by: java.security.AccessControlException: access denied (java.net.SocketPermission localhost resolve)
15:47.16SimplySethhmmmmm
15:59.46knix?
16:02.02harpoonknix: i do not know, what you have done
16:02.58harpoonbut whatever you have done, it is not allowed by JRE security policies
16:03.44harpoonso.. modifiy the policiy file of your jre or do anything else
16:04.12knixWell, how do I go about making a simple JDBC connection within a JSP?
16:04.27harpooni never did that
16:04.28knixI'm trying to do it as I would in a standalone application
16:04.37knix=(
16:04.51knixIt's failing at the DriverManager.getConnection(), saying I can't access localhost
16:04.55harpooni ever try to seperate view and model
16:05.05knixok
16:06.02harpoonwell do your dbms accepting connections even from localhost?
16:06.09harpoon(firewall)
16:06.37knixYes, it works in standalone applications
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18:51.59comelectronicsHello there, I am in the process of moving our tomcat server to another computer, and I'm getting 'error creating connection pool' errors for java.. we're using tomcat 3.2; can anyone please help/
18:53.11jasonbTime to upgrade to a newer version of Tomcat.
18:53.51comelectronicswe considered that.. however our old database apparantley isn't compatible with the newer versions
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19:00.48jasonbcomelectronics: I find that hard to believe.
19:01.14jasonbcomelectronics: Is it the JDBC driver that is the problem?
19:05.26comelectronicsI believe so, we're getting an EXCEPTION!! error saying error creating connection pool java.sql  (after it tries to create the jdbc pool)
19:10.30ytxistlaboccomelectronics, which driver are we talking about?
19:10.35pfntomcat 3.2?
19:10.41pfntalk about bleeding edge!
19:14.50jasonbHey, it could be worse, it could be JServ..  :)
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19:15.37ytxistlabocjasonb, why, for god's sake, do you remember JServ? :)
19:15.46comelectronics:) excuse my ignorance, i ran the j2re1.3 package for java
19:16.08jasonbcomelectronics: That exception message probably does not mean that a newer Tomcat version is incompatible with your database.
19:16.31jasonbytxistlaboc: Heh!  Yeah, I remember too far back.  I'm getting oooold.
19:17.02comelectronicsI am still running an old version of tomcat (3.2) with its database. We are moving this setup from an older computer and trying to setup the exact same config on a new box
19:20.53ytxistlabocjasonb, I remember trying to setup JServ once. Thanks god, its gone.
19:22.07jasonbI wrestled with it many days.  And, W3C Jigsaw.  I would do everything their docs said to do, and they still wouldn't work.  :)  Maybe that's why I have such an easier time with Tomcat.  When you do everything the Tomcat docs say to do, sometimes it actually works!  :)
19:22.19ytxistlabochehe
19:25.01puckohonestly. the time spent to get it to work again in 3.2 I think would be better spent getting it working on a later version
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21:33.18gsuvegi have jsp problem on ubuntu > http://pastebin.ca/268621 anyone have idea to resolve it ?
21:38.20puckoseems like JSTL is missing somewhere
21:40.33pfnyou have standard.jar and jstl.jar in WEB-INF/lib?
21:41.15gsuvegnone
21:42.28gsuveglibcommons-jexl-java - expression language engine < maybe this ?
21:44.12gsuvegno :=
21:44.13gsuveg:(
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21:53.52pfnno idea what that is
21:54.00pfnif you're using jstl, then you should have the jstl jars in WEB-INF/lib
21:54.04pfnif you don't then put them there
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21:54.51pfndoesn't look like you're using jstl, looks like some kind of EL, anyway, if the EL requires jstl, then you still need to put the jars there
21:55.33puckoyes, I think EL requires jstl
21:55.37pfnthat's also a tomcat 5.0 thing
21:55.44pfnsince google doesn't seem to turn it up for 5.5
21:55.45pfnor 6.0
21:56.09pfnin that case
21:56.14pfntry tomcat 5.5 and see
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23:43.33rhizmoeis there a file-level access.log for tomcat?
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