| 01:53.30 | madbrain | does anyone know how to build tomcat with JDK1.6 ? |
| 01:53.57 | madbrain | it looks like there are a whole bunch of compile errors related to abstract classes |
| 01:54.02 | madbrain | but it builds OK with 1.5 |
| 02:17.53 | yassine | seevash, |
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| 02:41.50 | yassine | gn8 everyone |
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| 02:47.36 | seevash | yassinework, You there? |
| 02:47.47 | seevash | Damnit, I got here 5 mins late. |
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| 02:54.18 | TKhan | hi |
| 02:54.39 | TKhan | can anyone help me with couple of SSL issues? |
| 02:55.38 | TKhan | + tomcat compatiblity pack for 5.5.20 with jdk 1.4.2... the readme link on tomcat site is not working |
| 02:59.44 | TKhan | bbl |
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| 03:33.38 | reaper_ | where is the jsp parser that converts .jsp to .java located? in tomcat, or eclipse? |
| 03:33.48 | reaper_ | where does that step take place |
| 03:36.25 | pfn | tomcat |
| 03:36.34 | pfn | it takes place in the container |
| 03:36.34 | wsmoak | reaper_: Jasper? http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/jasper-howto.html |
| 03:36.53 | reaper_ | im trying to find the jsp parsers and tinker with it a bit |
| 03:37.32 | reaper_ | wsad has an option to precompile jsps though, im not sure it always takes place in the container |
| 03:37.58 | wsmoak | yeah, I was going to add 'unless you're precompiling...' ;) |
| 03:38.03 | pfn | if it's precompiling then it's not in the container |
| 03:38.11 | reaper_ | gotcha |
| 03:38.51 | reaper_ | ive got a situation where theres a ton of jsp code written using <%= %>, and id like to stick a bit of my own code in whatever method translates <%= %> into java |
| 03:41.30 | reaper_ | probably way too hard, i cant even find the right .class |
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| 06:16.32 | pfn | jasonb what exactly do you consider "tagging" (you mentioned that as a "requirement" a while ago for album software) |
| 06:17.10 | jasonb | Hi. :) |
| 06:17.34 | jasonb | Yes.. I do have something specific in mind, but I would be surprised if other album software packages don't do it.. |
| 06:17.45 | jasonb | one sec.. |
| 06:17.55 | pfn | I mean, there's categorization, and arbitrary categorization |
| 06:18.02 | pfn | (the latter I will support) |
| 06:18.05 | pfn | then there's the social aspect |
| 06:18.22 | pfn | where it's "wiki-style" anyone tag anything |
| 06:19.07 | jasonb | Okay, so you are aware of Google's "tag and filter, don't sort" philosophy? |
| 06:20.13 | pfn | remotely |
| 06:20.43 | pfn | although, I don't see how they can have a "don't sort" philosophy |
| 06:20.46 | pfn | pagerank is all about sorting |
| 06:21.20 | jasonb | That's basically what I had in mind. Every searchable/filterable item should be "taggable", where I can add a tag to a list of all tags (within any given context/ownership), and apply the tag to the searchable/filterable items (like pictures for instance). |
| 06:21.39 | pfn | yeah, that's typical, and about what I have in mind |
| 06:21.48 | pfn | it's basically an extension of what I have for the blogs right now |
| 06:21.56 | pfn | basically it's just "customizable categorization" |
| 06:21.57 | jasonb | Then, when I want to see pictures of Uncle Ben, I can search the entire picture database for pictures tagged with the Uncle Ben tag. |
| 06:22.19 | pfn | where you can apply any "tag" to any object (image, or blog entry) |
| 06:22.30 | jasonb | Right. |
| 06:22.40 | jasonb | Everything *could* be searchable/filterable. |
| 06:22.59 | jasonb | So, any kind of resource that you want to be searchable/filterable should be taggable. |
| 06:23.07 | pfn | yeah, that's about what I had in mind |
| 06:23.13 | pfn | just wondering if you had an incompatible idea |
| 06:23.20 | pfn | (with respect to what I was thinking) |
| 06:23.21 | jasonb | I guess I don't. |
| 06:23.59 | jasonb | I just want to tag each of my images as I view them.. like have some quick way of applying tags at any time.. and have the software keep track. Then, any time I want to search, I can search on those tags. |
| 06:24.28 | pfn | don't care about the social aspect, do you? (allow anyone to tag anything) |
| 06:24.41 | jasonb | If I can tag them at any time, even while normally viewing them, I'll be more inclined to tag any given image with what's shown in the image, and then searching gets nicer and nicer over time. |
| 06:25.38 | jasonb | Well, the process of tagging is a human-only thing (unless you employ some really really heavy algorithms to try to auto-tag your stuff via some AI which doesn't always work well).. So, it is time consuming, and it's kind of a chore. |
| 06:26.13 | jasonb | It's also true that there would be a lot of content to tag. I take lots of pictures, and they're only searchable this way if *somebody* tags them at some point. |
| 06:26.32 | jasonb | So, any possible opportunity to allow a human to tag an image is an important opportunity. |
| 06:26.47 | jasonb | That's how I look at it, anyway. |
| 06:27.08 | jasonb | So, if the people viewing my images can help me tag them, I'd sure appreciate any help I could get. |
| 06:27.46 | jasonb | For these reasons, I think the social tagging ability helps the system to work, and spreads out the work a bit. |
| 06:29.21 | pfn | but the social tagging ability is only meaningful if people think along the same lines as you |
| 06:29.42 | jasonb | I'd also consider non-owner tags less reliable, or somewhat less valueable, because they don't own the database nor the images, and they don't have as much to gain by correctly, properly tagging these images. |
| 06:29.50 | pfn | right |
| 06:30.06 | jasonb | Well, maybe the owner of the album can set the list of tags, and the people viewing/tagging can only apply the tags. |
| 06:30.39 | jasonb | Or, maybe you set the base list, and they can apply those, plus manage their own viewer tags list that they can also apply if they want to. |
| 06:33.38 | pfn | perhaps... right now, that's basically not going to be supported |
| 06:37.10 | pfn | http://paste.hanhuy.com/graph/schema |
| 06:37.13 | pfn | basically schema looks like that |
| 06:38.14 | jasonb | What did you generate that with? :) |
| 06:39.58 | pfn | there was some perl visualizer |
| 06:40.11 | pfn | used in conjunction with graphviz |
| 06:40.11 | jasonb | Graphviz? |
| 06:40.16 | pfn | yep |
| 06:40.17 | jasonb | heh |
| 06:40.44 | pfn | the base dot file was generated by perl, I cleaned it up a bit to get a nicer look |
| 06:40.53 | jasonb | It reminded me of some Ant build file target dependency graphs I've generated. |
| 06:41.12 | pfn | http://paste.hanhuy.com/graph/hanhuyBuild |
| 06:41.16 | pfn | I was bored and did that, too |
| 06:41.20 | pfn | heh |
| 06:43.01 | jasonb | Looks cool. |
| 06:43.23 | pfn | as need as being able to paste dot files might be, I can't find a real use for my "webdot" implementation, heh |
| 06:43.26 | pfn | s/need/neat |
| 06:43.54 | jasonb | Anyway, there are whole companies springing up nowadays to solve the problem of how computers may automagically tag images for humans, instead of having the humans do it. |
| 06:44.34 | pfn | it's still a few years off |
| 06:44.45 | jasonb | I don't know about that. |
| 06:44.58 | jasonb | The algorithms are working today. |
| 06:45.27 | pfn | you may get rudimentary tags, but that's about the extent |
| 06:45.37 | jasonb | Also, I saw another feature of.. maybe snapfish (?) that I thought was very cool.. |
| 06:45.40 | pfn | it'll be a long time before you can go from "person" to "baby" etc. |
| 06:45.53 | pfn | I wonder how much snapfish got bought for |
| 06:46.00 | pfn | I interviewed there a few years back and turned their offer down... |
| 06:46.10 | jasonb | Well, what I mean is that some algorithms can now properly identify individuals in pictures by facial recognition. |
| 06:47.18 | jasonb | Umm, anyway, this other cool feature was: Users looking at the images could create image maps that overlay the image, and they can draw rectangular regions around things in the picture, and input a comment about it, as if they're pointing out something. |
| 06:47.39 | jasonb | So, when another person views the image, and when they mouse over the rectangular region, they see the text. |
| 06:47.53 | pfn | neat |
| 06:47.56 | jasonb | (and at the time when their mouse is over it, the web page draws the rectangle) |
| 06:48.18 | jasonb | That could be presented interestingly in more than one way. |
| 06:48.24 | jasonb | You could search on the text.. |
| 06:48.45 | jasonb | Or, you could have a list of these comments shown per image, and when you select one in the list it draws the rectangle.. |
| 06:49.19 | jasonb | I actually don't know what that feature is called.. I just recently saw it. |
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| 10:50.21 | chriswk | Question - I've got a webapp where the webapp/download passes control to the DefaultServlet. This works just fine, it's just that I want the /download directory to be an absolute path somewhere else on the disk, not under webapp/download, but rather /usr/local/data/download/ is there a way to do this in web.xml? |
| 10:51.44 | lyken | use symlinks mate |
| 10:51.50 | lyken | then enable symlinks |
| 10:51.57 | chriswk | ah, cheers |
| 10:52.00 | lyken | in the web.xml (might be already) |
| 10:52.15 | lyken | just google tomcat and symlinks |
| 10:52.20 | lyken | thats how i got mine to work |
| 10:52.23 | chriswk | as in symling webapp/download to /usr/local/data/download and then enable symlinks in web.xml? |
| 10:52.27 | lyken | cause the security containter doesnt like to play outside |
| 10:52.30 | chriswk | s/symling/symlink |
| 10:52.31 | lyken | yeah |
| 10:52.39 | chriswk | appreciate the help, I'll try that |
| 10:52.46 | lyken | cools |
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| 11:01.08 | Nara | hi all |
| 11:02.02 | Nara | my application losses session when using Apache mod_rewrite, my tomcat is 5.5.20 and works behind Apache |
| 11:02.17 | Nara | I use mod_rewrite in apache |
| 11:02.56 | Nara | any idea |
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| 11:19.56 | lyken | yassine: i am here! |
| 11:20.13 | yassine | heya lyken how is everything ? |
| 11:20.42 | lyken | busy and crappy |
| 11:20.45 | lyken | but im getting there |
| 11:24.06 | yassine | heads up :) |
| 11:24.43 | lyken | i started my radio show though |
| 11:24.51 | lyken | i dont think its your kinda music though heh |
| 11:32.58 | yassine | lyken, link ? |
| 11:35.04 | lyken | http://blog.dancenode.com/radio |
| 11:35.31 | yassine | 404 |
| 11:35.42 | lyken | oh heh |
| 11:36.00 | lyken | http://blog.dancenode.com/?page_id=46 |
| 11:38.24 | yassine | lyken, such music is called schranz here |
| 11:40.39 | lyken | is that good or bad? heh |
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| 11:43.02 | yassine | its the kind of music not a discription |
| 11:43.06 | repkin | hi to everyone |
| 11:43.13 | repkin | I want to ask a question |
| 11:43.25 | repkin | I want to run multiple tomcat on one server |
| 11:43.37 | repkin | I have to listen different prot |
| 11:43.53 | repkin | I have to listen different port |
| 11:44.18 | yassine | repkin, that should works fine |
| 11:44.21 | repkin | because of that I have setup two different tomcat, under the file tomcat1 and tomcat2 |
| 11:44.47 | repkin | when I run tomcat1 and tomcat2 alonly they are working |
| 11:45.06 | repkin | but when I work together I am taking this error |
| 11:45.16 | repkin | StandartServer.await: create[8005]: java.net.BindException: Address already in use: JVM_Bind |
| 11:45.31 | lyken | heh |
| 11:45.33 | repkin | I have changed all port definitions under the tomcat2 |
| 11:45.37 | lyken | caus eyou have to change all the ports |
| 11:45.37 | yassine | repkin, go into one of your tomcat's home |
| 11:45.44 | yassine | and change the ports |
| 11:45.49 | lyken | not just the one |
| 11:45.51 | lyken | but all of them |
| 11:46.01 | yassine | one can remain standard |
| 11:46.19 | repkin | I have changed, these is no 8005 port definition under the tomcat2 |
| 11:46.38 | yassine | i mean one tomcat instance can have its default ports, the second instance MUST have differnt ports |
| 11:47.12 | yassine | repkin, search for SHUTDOWN in server.xml |
| 11:47.21 | yassine | you will find it there close to it |
| 11:48.41 | lyken | oh well im off to do my show for tomorrow |
| 11:48.42 | lyken | laters |
| 11:49.37 | yassine | okay me to work good luck than |
| 11:49.51 | repkin | in my server.xml there is no shutdown definition |
| 11:50.18 | repkin | I am not working 2 of them as service |
| 11:50.28 | repkin | I am working with catalina start |
| 11:50.34 | yassine | repkin, im afraid i have to go now google is your friend good luck |
| 11:50.40 | repkin | :) |
| 11:50.41 | repkin | thanks |
| 11:52.05 | repkin | is there anyone can help me |
| 11:52.22 | repkin | I have server-minimal.xml is this standart tomcat file |
| 12:06.57 | repkin | it is worked |
| 12:07.00 | repkin | by |
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| 12:41.14 | yassinework | evosh, heya dude |
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| 14:04.58 | roguebug | hi |
| 14:05.28 | roguebug | i read that some modified version of tomcat came along with google's gwt ? |
| 14:06.15 | roguebug | what modifications are those? is there any advantage or disadvantage? |
| 14:06.45 | roguebug | can i deploy server-side gwt stuff with a normal tomcat? |
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| 15:43.33 | El_Boom | Hi - does anyone know if the jUDDI project is dead? |
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| 16:04.23 | ouba | hello |
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| 16:04.55 | ouba | just a question about JMX and SNMP |
| 16:05.09 | ouba | I would like to monitor my tomcat instance with a software like Cacti |
| 16:05.19 | ouba | or Nagios, well known and wide used software |
| 16:05.32 | ouba | but I cannot connect to my JMX in command line |
| 16:05.48 | ouba | do you known either a JMX command line tools to get value |
| 16:06.02 | ouba | or a software to bind JMX to an SNMP agent (but opensource) |
| 16:06.20 | ouba | (in fact, I found some commercial one, but I would like tosearch for open source one before trying them) |
| 16:06.23 | ouba | thanks ! |
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| 17:11.40 | TutorialFanatic | #Photoshop&Development |
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| 17:45.16 | rbd | stupid question: is there a base64 encoder (string/byte array -> base64) included with tomcat 5. I see mention of a org.apache.tomcat.util.buf.Base64, but that doesn't seem to be included in my tomcat5 distro |
| 17:57.06 | pfn | java 1.5 includes a Base64 encoder |
| 17:57.33 | pfn | or at least I thought it did |
| 17:57.41 | pfn | otherwise, commons-codec has a Base64 encoder |
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| 18:12.02 | rbd | pfn: ok, thanks |
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| 19:46.30 | user855 | hello |
| 19:47.01 | user855 | is anybody here |
| 19:47.03 | user855 | ? |
| 19:47.41 | user855 | plz answer |
| 19:47.53 | user855 | i need help |
| 19:48.00 | user855 | sos |
| 19:48.13 | user855 | sos |
| 19:48.54 | pfn | learn to ask questions and be patient |
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| 19:49.59 | user855 | did anyone heard about jkmanager ? |
| 19:53.09 | pfn | ask a specific question |
| 19:54.55 | user855 | where can i find the jsp ot servlet of jkmanager ? |
| 19:57.17 | pfn | what do you mean where |
| 19:57.20 | pfn | it's in jkmanager |
| 19:57.54 | user855 | and where is jkmanager ? |
| 19:58.19 | pfn | what's jkmanager? |
| 19:59.38 | pfn | sounds like a mod_jk then, it's internal to mod_jk then |
| 20:02.46 | user855 | it gives information of mod-jk status |
| 20:04.19 | user855 | is it installed by default and where ? |
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| 20:15.25 | pfn | have you read the documentation on it? |
| 20:15.29 | pfn | it sounds like a mod_jk internal |
| 20:15.35 | pfn | which means, no servlet, no jsp |
| 20:18.10 | _grego_ | http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-3.3-doc/mod_jk-howto.html |
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| 20:40.57 | yassine | ahoi * |
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| 23:11.45 | roguebug | guys, when i woke up this morning i had never built or deployed a java web app. now i'm "baptized" and have a gwt client-server thingie running |
| 23:12.20 | roguebug | i'm still a bl00dy n00b at all that, but i'll go to bed a little less dumb tonight |
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| 23:36.08 | jave | I'm having trouble figuring out which actual instance of a jaas class is actually used |
| 23:36.31 | jave | on windows |
| 23:39.41 | roguebug | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.23 | roguebug | how does the execution speed of a tomcat-deployed java servlet compare to a php application? |
| 23:44.16 | roguebug | i'd suppose that the bytecode-compiled java would be quite faster than the interpreted php? |
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| 23:50.47 | StarScream | roguebug: erm...well depends on the application i guess |
| 23:52.03 | StarScream | roguebug: for really really simple stuff i imagine PHP would be faster because there is less of code path...i could be wrong...for more complex apps, java would be quicker simply because it's faster. |
| 23:52.18 | StarScream | however i doubt you would notice the difference either way |
| 23:53.09 | StarScream | the speed of an app will come from how well its made rather than the language.....unless your using python :P |
| 23:53.53 | evosh | Java bytecode is processed through an interpreter as well so your comparison solely on that assumption is pointless. |
| 23:55.37 | StarScream | evosh: but it doesn't have to be parsed and compiled to byte code first...where as php does unless you use an op-cache compiler |
| 23:56.36 | evosh | Ohhh the possibilities. :) |
| 23:57.51 | roguebug | StarScream: "unless your using python" -> meaning what? is python very slow ? |
| 23:58.52 | roguebug | evosh: well, i'd imagine that a bytecode interpreter is faster than one that must do full semantic parsing etc. |
| 23:59.11 | pfn | yes, python is very slow |
| 23:59.16 | StarScream | roguebug: it was just a joke...but yes most of my python apps end up using C for the important bits |