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| 01:38.24 | RurickGrid | hello, anyone know how I can remotely monitoring the jvm |
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| 01:39.35 | RurickGrid | I need to understand the memory leaks |
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| 10:35.21 | lance107 | i m using 6.0.14......is there any easy way to make catalina logs rotate daily?....thx |
| 10:35.42 | lance107 | on linux |
| 10:36.46 | lance107 | and tomcat service should not be stopped for log rotation.....i read some docs online for logrotate....but that doesn't fit |
| 10:38.50 | lance107 | i m using 6.0.14 on linux.......wanna find some way to do log rotation (not logrotate).....is there any easy way? |
| 10:38.51 | lance107 | thx |
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| 11:00.37 | kjkoster5489 | lance107: they already do. |
| 11:00.44 | kjkoster5489 | Well, they do on my box. |
| 11:01.07 | kjkoster5489 | Are you using a repackaged Tomcat or a vanilla download from apache.org? |
| 11:03.01 | lance107 | em.....i got that from apache.org |
| 11:03.25 | lance107 | what i got is a big log file..... |
| 11:13.03 | clovisw | hi, i have a problem with Sun JVM, with new Linux Scheduler in a SMP kernel, that make individual threads actually move from processor to processor even though they are in a continuous running state and never sleep, causing cache line migration between the CPUs, this slow down perfomance of tomcat, that in a Single CPU is faster than Dual CPU, any idea? |
| 11:15.25 | elean | I have deja vu |
| 11:15.35 | elean | have you already asked this question ? ;) |
| 11:16.57 | clovisw | yes |
| 11:17.14 | clovisw | but no good answer, then i try again, ;) |
| 11:17.25 | clovisw | i cant find any solution for that |
| 11:18.01 | clovisw | the only one, i found, the guy put the tomcat running at a Single CPU machine, its a crazy solution |
| 11:30.01 | kjkoster5489 | lance107: check conf/logging.properties, I think you can set these things there. |
| 11:30.51 | kjkoster5489 | clovisw: Maybe you can set processor affinity on the process? |
| 11:31.10 | kjkoster5489 | The tomcat process, I mean. |
| 11:31.16 | kjkoster5489 | Or switch to FreeBSD. :) |
| 11:31.35 | lance107 | i know there is a file called logging.properties......but where can i find the related info for that?...e.g. parm for rotation....etc...... |
| 11:31.35 | kjkoster5489 | Or make Linux not do that. I mean, it's not like this problem is specific to Tomcat. |
| 11:32.07 | clovisw | kjkoster5489: the processor affinity its same solution as to install in a single processor machine |
| 11:32.10 | kjkoster5489 | lance107: I think that that file is a bastard log4j config file, so you should be able to use log4j config synta in tin. |
| 11:32.31 | kjkoster5489 | clovisw: All processes that have lots of live threads will have this issue. |
| 11:32.46 | kjkoster5489 | It sounds like you want to solve a linux kernel issue in Java. |
| 11:33.27 | kjkoster5489 | Is there no "#define LEAVE_RUNNING_THREADS_WHERE_THEY_ARE" anywhere? |
| 11:33.30 | lance107 | but if i use log4j......i guess it's not java.util.logging......and i need to get another lib from apache......just wondering if tomcat has anything like this come as default pkg....hehe.....and for log4j...em...seems it has some problem for daily rotation....right? |
| 11:34.03 | kjkoster5489 | Tomcat uses its own logging package, which was renamed from (I think) log4j. |
| 11:34.11 | lance107 | but if u would recommend log4j over tomcat itself....then i will go for it.......just wondering any site has info for log4j properties files parm and detail doc? |
| 11:34.13 | clovisw | kjkoster5489: is this that i'm searching for, ;) |
| 11:34.46 | kjkoster5489 | clovisw: downgrade kernel version until this 'innovation' has been exposed for the hype it was and disabled? |
| 11:35.23 | kjkoster5489 | Maybe you should ask on a Linuxy channel? |
| 11:35.41 | kjkoster5489 | lance107: Google. :) |
| 11:36.39 | lance107 | i surely tried that.....kekeke.......but just part of the log4j properties file.....and no walkthru for that.....T.T |
| 11:36.45 | clovisw | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.11 | clovisw | but appears that anyone never get a problem like this |
| 11:42.54 | kjkoster5489 | clovisw: maybe Java is the only platform to do serious threading? :) |
| 11:43.20 | kjkoster5489 | Have you considered that maybe you need more cpu's, not less to solve this? |
| 11:44.09 | kjkoster5489 | That way, Linux will not feel the need to move threads around. |
| 11:44.41 | clovisw | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.47 | kjkoster5489 | So, as I understand it correctly, the application has to be changed because the OS poops over the CPU caches? |
| 11:45.54 | kjkoster5489 | Hmm. |
| 11:46.17 | kjkoster5489 | You'd have to run with a hacked Tomcat, a hacked JVM or a hacked SMP kernel. |
| 11:46.42 | kjkoster5489 | Maybe the 8-core machine is worth a try. :) |
| 11:48.51 | clovisw | the slow down performance is progressive, iow, with more core, more slow |
| 11:49.39 | clovisw | i dont believe that this problem, never apperars, no one uses tomcat on linux with SMP? |
| 11:49.55 | clovisw | *apears |
| 11:51.58 | kjkoster5489 | I use it on FreeBSD SMP and UP. Never tested UP against SMP for progressive slowdowns, to be honest. |
| 11:52.20 | kjkoster5489 | You tested 4-core and 8-core servers? |
| 11:53.15 | clovisw | yes, i used with 4 core, too, same problem |
| 11:53.40 | kjkoster5489 | Crap. Otherwise you'd finally have an argument to order that 64-core Sun. |
| 11:54.37 | kjkoster5489 | Just to be sure: they are actual cores, not hyperthreaded cpu's? |
| 11:56.30 | clovisw | kjkoster5489: no, its physical cores, i'm sure |
| 11:56.38 | kjkoster5489 | Cool, just checking. |
| 12:03.11 | kjkoster5489 | How much slowdown do you experience? |
| 12:09.31 | clovisw | about 40% slow |
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| 12:27.51 | pennsong | hello everbody, i'm now to tomcat, and I want to install it on my MAC OS X, is it's possible? |
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| 12:35.51 | Woody_ | tomcat: 5.5.26-1 java: 6-06-1 os: debian lenny/sid apache 2.2.8-3 |
| 12:35.59 | Woody_ | I am having this problem: http://rafb.net/p/pM5gKx34.txt |
| 12:37.37 | Woody_ | Somehow I don't have the class loaders installed, but I don't know which package they are shipped in, also I don't know if I have the right environmental variable set. |
| 12:39.23 | Woody_ | Any help would be great. |
| 12:42.39 | Woody_ | My bootstrap.jar is $CATALINA_HOME/bin/bootstrap.jar , but I don't know if the file belongs there or not. |
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| 12:49.41 | Woody_ | I am missing: $CATALINA_HOME/bin/commons-daemon.jar but have libcommons-daemon-java installed. |
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| 14:48.56 | RurickGrid | I am trying to understand the memory leaks of Tomcat, can help me anybody? |
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| 15:02.16 | eistimax64 | does anyone use the build.xml file for Ant from tomcat.apache website? |
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| 15:09.31 | riz_ | Tomcat 5.5.9 / jrockit-jdk1.5.0_02 /Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES release 3 My question: when I reach the url https://10.30.70.62:8443/wallet/rpc/mfp/getwallettraffic.jspa it ask me for login and password. I would like to change it. How to do it? I see in conf/tomcat-users.xml but I can't see nothing reffered to myuser. |
| 15:10.27 | riz_ | Obviously If i try to login three times, it tells me: description This request requires HTTP authentication (). |
| 15:11.45 | eistimax64 | Tomcat 6.0.2 / java 1.6 / debian etch - does anyone use the build.xml file for Ant from tomcat.apache website? |
| 15:12.28 | eistimax64 | i have a question about the reload target |
| 15:13.50 | eistimax64 | the target well update all files in the build directory in my work directory but not in the running tomcat (tomcat/webapps) |
| 15:13.56 | eistimax64 | Is it normal? |
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| 17:37.56 | Chest | guys, does the \ escape a quote in the tomcat configuration files? |
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| 17:41.01 | jasonb | Chest: I haven't tested it.. but it might be " |
| 17:46.19 | clovisw | hi, anyone here manage to run cpu affinity per thread basis, on a Linux kernel 2.6 SMP? or managed tomcat run fast on a machine with dual processors than a single processor? |
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| 18:00.14 | jasonb | clovisw: There's fast and then there's higher concurrency. Which one are you after? |
| 18:01.27 | clovisw | jasonb: higher concurrency, many hits |
| 18:02.17 | jasonb | Then you want the OS to schedule Tomcat's threads on as many CPU cores as you have. |
| 18:02.28 | clovisw | jasonb: i have a problem with Sun JVM 1.5.0_15, with the Linux Scheduler in a SMP kernel 2.6, that make individual threads actually move from processor to processor even though they are in a continuous running state and never sleep, causing cache line migration between the CPUs, this slow down perfomance of multithread java applications, that in a Single CPU is faster than Dual CPU |
| 18:03.36 | jasonb | clovisw: How are you doing performance testing such that you know it is slower on a single CPU machine? |
| 18:03.59 | clovisw | jasonb: its by processor basis |
| 18:04.25 | jasonb | clovisw: If you want better integration with the kernel, and better overall performance, you must stop using Java 1.5 and move to 1.6 or 1.7. |
| 18:04.56 | clovisw | jasonb: a single processor Xeon, can process for example: 400 request, on a dual processor, same power, but dual, process is less requests |
| 18:06.20 | clovisw | jasonb: are you sure that jvm 1.6 manage the new linux Scheduler better? |
| 18:07.18 | clovisw | jasonb: with the jvm 1.6 in some serialization, i'm getting stack overflow, that i dont get with 1.5, specially complex graph objects |
| 18:07.23 | jasonb | clovisw: Newer JVMs offer all kinds of improvements over the older ones, including better integration with the OS and better performance. |
| 18:08.01 | jasonb | clovisw: You've tried only the Sun Java 1.6? |
| 18:08.15 | jasonb | clovisw: Also try the BEA JRockit 1.6. |
| 18:08.28 | clovisw | jasonb: then i must make a downgrade to last version of 1.5, but i get probem with threads |
| 18:08.56 | clovisw | jasonb: i tried to find BEA downloads, but dont have the download anymore |
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| 18:13.04 | jasonb | Yeah, I guess they're transitioning their web pages to Oracle's control right now. |
| 18:13.36 | clovisw | jasonb: then for now JRockit isn't a option, i will try the IBM ones then |
| 18:13.58 | jasonb | Yeah, I think IBM has a 1.6 JDK. |
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| 18:17.27 | dbaio | hey guys... in my tomcat manager i have many virtual hosts... and theses virtual host have a /_manager ... but the manager list all applications of the tomcat... and all the tomcat home folders..... can i show onlye the virtualhost application ? |
| 18:17.44 | clovisw | jasonb: i just downloading |
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| 18:23.41 | clovisw | jasonb: i hope that serialization between Sun JVM and IBM JVM, works, ;) |
| 18:25.26 | jasonb | clovisw: It's JVM implementation specific, so it probably doesn't. |
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| 18:28.04 | clovisw | jasonb: then i have no option, i must use Sun JVM |
| 18:28.47 | clovisw | jasonb: maybe i migrate to Solaris? appears that in Solaris dont have this type of problem with Sun JVM |
| 18:30.07 | jasonb | I can't really suggest doing that.. It could work, but then you'd likely have worse problems. |
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| 19:51.49 | Woody_ | tomcat: 5.5.26-1 java: 6-06-1 os: debian lenny/sid apache 2.2.8-3 |
| 19:52.38 | Woody_ | I am having this problem: http://rafb.net/p/pM5gKx34.txt , but I disabled the security manager, I have know Idea why it still tells me I didn't. |
| 19:53.14 | Woody_ | I am missing: $CATALINA_HOME/bin/commons-daemon.jar but have libcommons-daemon-java installed. |
| 19:53.55 | Woody_ | Any help would be great. |
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| 20:32.13 | momelod | greetings channel |
| 20:32.28 | elean | greetings newcomer |
| 20:32.31 | momelod | for some reason, i cannot undeploy an app with tomcat manager |
| 20:32.37 | momelod | :) hi elean |
| 20:33.04 | elean | what do you mean by "can't" ? |
| 20:33.14 | elean | jar's are not being deleted ? |
| 20:33.17 | elean | jars |
| 20:33.41 | momelod | i mean, it stops the app, and removes most of the files.. it leaves files *.lib |
| 20:33.53 | momelod | bah i mean, lib/*.jar |
| 20:34.07 | elean | it happens |
| 20:34.14 | elean | actually I have this problem myself |
| 20:34.19 | momelod | shoot |
| 20:34.24 | elean | and have no idea how to solve it neatly |
| 20:34.36 | momelod | do u have a dirty hack? |
| 20:34.36 | elean | one solution is to set antiResourceLocking = true |
| 20:34.42 | elean | in Context element |
| 20:34.51 | elean | but it has the nasty shortcoming .. |
| 20:34.56 | momelod | what's that? |
| 20:35.07 | elean | jsp's are not reloaded so you can't really use this setting in dev mode |
| 20:35.14 | elean | good for production tough |
| 20:37.41 | elean | hmm |
| 20:38.00 | elean | I've just noticed there is an 'antiJARLocking' attribute as well .. |
| 20:38.19 | elean | possible this one would work |
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| 20:42.31 | momelod | any side effects with antiJARLocking? |
| 20:43.07 | elean | http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/config/context.html |
| 20:43.11 | elean | nothing is specified there |
| 20:43.21 | elean | but I don't even know if it works |
| 20:43.31 | momelod | http://forum.springframework.org/archive/index.php/t-24480.html |
| 20:43.39 | momelod | some1 here describes the same solution |
| 20:44.20 | elean | yeap but he advised to include both attrs |
| 20:44.33 | elean | I'm curious if antiJARlocking alone would work .. |
| 20:44.37 | elean | it'd solve my problems also ;) |
| 20:44.43 | elean | gotta give it try later |
| 20:44.47 | elean | a try |
| 20:45.29 | elean | "This problems appears on Windows" - another reason why I should immediately move to linux :) |
| 20:46.10 | jasonb | Linux works quite well for Tomcat.. for me anyway. |
| 20:47.58 | clovisw | jasonb: a guy from Suns Forum, reply me with "Sun's JVM (HotSpot) doesn't do any thread scheduling, it leaves it up to the operating system. So the o/s is choosing to migrate threads. The obvious things for slowing down a multi-threaded app are lock contention or possibly garbage collection (multiple CPUs allow more work to get done, which means more heap allocation and more frequent GCs if using the same heap size as a sin |
| 20:48.37 | clovisw | jasonb: since there isnt a GC thing, maybe a lock, in logs, like accessValve? |
| 20:48.53 | jasonb | clovisw: Yeah. Sounds right. It's pretty hard to compare single processing performance to multiprocessing performance. |
| 20:49.13 | jasonb | clovisw: It could very well be a GC thing. |
| 20:49.25 | clovisw | jasonb: since all http thread must write to access log file |
| 20:50.13 | jasonb | Try turning off the access log valve temporarily and see how that changes the performance (I don't expect it to suddenly become identical to the performance of a single processor machine though). |
| 20:50.38 | jasonb | clovisw: You're really comparing apples and oranges. |
| 20:52.58 | momelod | elean: i tried with just antiJARLocking |
| 20:53.03 | momelod | still didn't work |
| 20:53.26 | elean | momelod: pity .. |
| 20:53.49 | elean | momelod: I'd rather have me deployment suck than loose jsp reloading.. |
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