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| 02:49.44 | perr0 | jasonb: up this late? |
| 02:50.06 | jasonb | perr0: It's not even 8pm yet. :) |
| 02:50.18 | jasonb | but yes.. :) |
| 02:50.33 | perr0 | that is right we are two hours apart |
| 02:50.41 | perr0 | do you have a minute? |
| 02:51.31 | jasonb | Yeah, I guess Minnesota time is two hours ahead of here. |
| 02:51.40 | jasonb | Sure, I have a minute. |
| 02:54.26 | perr0 | thanks, here is the error message I am getting on the badinputfilter |
| 02:54.29 | perr0 | http://pastebin.com/m4d5a407 |
| 02:55.26 | perr0 | http://pastebin.com/m21c3c60b |
| 02:57.54 | jasonb | You should map it to "/*", not "/". |
| 02:58.44 | perr0 | this was one change I made |
| 02:58.51 | perr0 | ok |
| 02:59.11 | jasonb | That shouldn't cause a filter startup error. |
| 02:59.30 | jasonb | Also, nothing is saying what the problem is, really. |
| 02:59.53 | jasonb | What I would do is trace through it with my debugger.. so you could do that, but I can't really help you do that. |
| 03:00.32 | jasonb | Also, you could try finding out what line it gets to by adding System.out.println()s.. |
| 03:00.50 | jasonb | But, did your Tomcat create a localhost.<today's date>.log file? |
| 03:01.06 | jasonb | Was there any exception in there, or another log file? |
| 03:01.20 | perr0 | which debugger are you referring to? Oh yeah that is where I get this error |
| 03:01.24 | perr0 | let's se |
| 03:04.19 | perr0 | one more |
| 03:04.21 | perr0 | http://pastebin.com/mddc3e56 |
| 03:04.39 | perr0 | from host-manager.2009-06-09.log |
| 03:05.35 | jasonb | neat.. did you add the filter mapping to Tomcat's global web.xml file ($CATALINA_HOME/conf/web.xml) instead of your webapp's web.xml file? |
| 03:06.07 | jasonb | Seems like you did. |
| 03:08.01 | perr0 | YES |
| 03:08.03 | perr0 | oops |
| 03:08.16 | perr0 | this is a default installation |
| 03:09.09 | perr0 | the next step is to move it to our pen testing environment |
| 03:11.10 | perr0 | this is my lame explanation on our collaborative page of my progress |
| 03:11.17 | perr0 | http://pastebin.com/m5996bae7 |
| 03:12.53 | jasonb | perr0: This looks great! Much like how I write step-by-step docs, showing example commands. |
| 03:13.07 | perr0 | well part of it is yours :) |
| 03:13.33 | perr0 | I should have a what's that called disclaimer |
| 03:13.42 | perr0 | credit to author |
| 03:14.03 | jasonb | perr0: Cool! So I guess you won't mind if I make this into a readme file.. |
| 03:14.42 | jasonb | Oh, and btw, the "tree" command won't restart Tomcat. :) |
| 03:14.48 | perr0 | heck no, just my English isn't that good. |
| 03:15.09 | perr0 | yes I will fix that |
| 03:15.38 | perr0 | I don't mind if you use this is what I meant to say |
| 03:16.53 | jasonb | Cool.. thanks! |
| 03:17.06 | jasonb | So did you test the filter? |
| 03:20.22 | perr0 | so I guess step 9 is restarting tomcat. :) Tomcat's default page comes up but Tomcat manager is inaccessible and I have to fix this. But since the filter fails to load I wouldn't be able to test correct? |
| 03:20.32 | perr0 | or you mean with the debugger? |
| 03:21.13 | jasonb | Since you put the filter definition and mapping in the global web.xml, all webapps see that and try to start the filter, but you've only given one webapp the class file (in the jar).. so only one webapp can start it up. |
| 03:21.21 | jasonb | The one that can start it up should be using it just fine. |
| 03:21.45 | jasonb | The others, such as the built-in manager webapp, fail to load the filter, so the whole webapp fails to start. |
| 03:22.13 | perr0 | ooh |
| 03:24.52 | jasonb | If you gave the jar file to each of the webapps, they'd each run their copy. :) |
| 03:24.54 | perr0 | I really appreciate taking time to answer my questions... I am in debt. Well I do recommend your book to our devs on top of buying it for this.. |
| 03:24.54 | jasonb | Or, you could even put the jar in Tomcat's lib/ dir and then all webapps would get it. |
| 03:24.56 | jasonb | You're quite welcome. |
| 03:25.12 | jasonb | I'm interested to see what happens when others use it. |
| 03:25.26 | perr0 | let me check |
| 03:26.34 | perr0 | it looks like we have about < 10 apps running at once |
| 03:27.03 | perr0 | so I will let me not exaggerate I would say about 5 |
| 03:50.02 | perr0 | jasonb: cool, as I move the badinputfilter.jar around I break different apps so I will give you an update tomorrow. I think I might need help from our devs on this one. |
| 03:50.44 | perr0 | again thanks for your help! nite |
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| 04:00.35 | mib_wphhl1 | hi folks, my tomcat6 service unable to startup with error 0 code. i already tried put msvcr71.dll in tomcat/bin directory. still the same |
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| 04:02.26 | mib_wphhl1 | i'm using tomcat 6.0.18 |
| 04:02.31 | mib_wphhl1 | on windows xp |
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| 06:25.36 | smonte | hello, I have a question concerning the WEB-INF folder. I will have multiple applications running in tomcat. They all use the same classes which are in WEB-INF/classes. Now I'm just copying the WEB-INF/classes folder to each application which takes a lot of space and time. Would it be possible to link this classes folder to each application somehow? |
| 06:25.46 | smonte | For example using classpath... |
| 06:26.10 | smonte | I tried to google but maybe I'm using wrong search terms since I can't find any solutions. |
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| 06:50.44 | MHSL | smonte, jar those classes and put the jar file under your tomcat lib (if using tomcat 6) |
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| 06:56.02 | smonte | okay, but I'm runnnign 5.5. Is there a difference? |
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| 07:05.35 | MHSL | smonte, then put in shared/lib |
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| 08:40.58 | Bennit | hello |
| 08:41.25 | Bennit | Anyone here has more experience with j2ee and writing images from a server? (tried #java but noone really knows what's wrong) |
| 08:41.54 | deebo | awt headless in use? :P |
| 08:43.29 | kjkoster5489 | Bennit: what problem do you have? |
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| 08:43.58 | Bennit | argh lost this window :D sorry i'll paste the 3 lines explaining it in a jippy |
| 08:45.34 | Bennit | 11:56 < Bennit> http://wilma.rave.org:3030/Iteratie2/Captcha # this is supposed to generate a captcha image |
| 08:45.37 | Bennit | 11:57 < Bennit> in the tomcat server i run on eclipse under windows, this gives no problem |
| 08:45.40 | Bennit | 11:57 < Bennit> but the same tomcat server running on a linux machine outside of eclipse seems to be unable to write the image to a tmp dir or so |
| 08:46.07 | Bennit | 11:58 < Bennit> anyone have an idea what's wrong with the code? |
| 08:46.07 | Bennit | 11:58 < Bennit> the code can be found here : |
| 08:46.07 | Bennit | 11:58 < Bennit> http://wilma:3333/Trac/browser/Iteratie2/src/Presentation/Captcha.java |
| 08:46.21 | Bennit | kjkoster5489: ^ |
| 08:46.54 | kjkoster5489 | "seems to be unable to write the image to a tmp dir or so" ?? What exception, please? |
| 08:48.21 | Bennit | visit visit the url |
| 08:48.23 | Bennit | http://wilma.rave.org:3030/Iteratie2/Captcha |
| 08:48.32 | Bennit | i'll show u a place where it runs under tomcat |
| 08:48.33 | Bennit | same code |
| 08:48.39 | Bennit | but tomcat in eclipse |
| 08:49.00 | Bennit | http://ben.rave.org:8080/Iteratie2/Captcha |
| 08:49.01 | kjkoster5489 | I'm sure it runs. |
| 08:49.49 | Bennit | Err, it doesn't the url i posted you gives this exception: javax.imageio.IIOException: Can't create output stream! |
| 08:49.51 | kjkoster5489 | What is the precise path of the file you are trying to create? |
| 08:50.07 | Bennit | I don't create anything |
| 08:50.18 | kjkoster5489 | Yes, you do: java.io.UnixFileSystem.createFileExclusively(Native Method) |
| 08:50.22 | Bennit | but to write to a httprequest outputstream |
| 08:50.31 | Bennit | java writes a file to a tmp dir |
| 08:50.41 | Bennit | (i have nothing to do with this) |
| 08:50.50 | kjkoster5489 | Yes, you do. You program. :-) |
| 08:50.59 | kjkoster5489 | Java just sits there. :) |
| 08:51.18 | Bennit | if you'd check the code, you'd see I NEVER call that operation |
| 08:51.27 | Bennit | 10:43 < Bennit> 11:58 < Bennit> http://wilma:3333/Trac/browser/Iteratie2/src/Presentation/Captcha.java |
| 08:51.37 | deebo | imageio creates a cache internally when you request an outputstream |
| 08:51.40 | Bennit | oww it's wilma.rave.org:3333, not wilma |
| 08:51.43 | kjkoster5489 | Read the API docs for java.io.File.createTempFile and see if you can deduce where *Java* (and not you, of course) tries to make the file. |
| 08:54.04 | Bennit | aha |
| 08:54.09 | Bennit | i found the solution |
| 08:54.24 | Bennit | on win xp tomcat automatically creates a temp dir |
| 08:54.30 | Bennit | eclipse also does this |
| 08:54.39 | Bennit | on unix systems this does not happen |
| 08:54.47 | Bennit | seems to me like it's a bug with tomcat tough :) |
| 08:55.13 | Bennit | found it here: http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=223792&messageID=1026804 |
| 08:57.01 | Bennit | works fine now with the temp dir |
| 08:57.12 | kjkoster5489 | Perhaps you can submit a patch to Tomcat's startup file to check and create the tmp dir? |
| 08:57.16 | kjkoster5489 | Good catch, though. :) |
| 08:57.53 | kjkoster5489 | Re: "if you'd check the code, you'd see I NEVER call that operation" you do indirectly. |
| 08:58.10 | Bennit | yeah, but i never explictly ask for a file to be created |
| 08:58.23 | kjkoster5489 | You write to the http stream, don't you? |
| 08:58.27 | Bennit | I find it weird that it doesn't write to the httprequest stream immediately, i see no reason for caching |
| 08:58.48 | kjkoster5489 | Is the file created for caching? |
| 08:58.52 | Bennit | nope |
| 08:58.56 | Bennit | random numbers :p |
| 08:59.03 | Bennit | so never needs to be shown again |
| 08:59.08 | Bennit | well barely ever |
| 08:59.20 | Bennit | i'm not gonna save all permutations of 6 numbers&letters on disk :p |
| 08:59.28 | Bennit | anyways /me continues |
| 08:59.43 | Bennit | cba to push patch tough, sorry. |
| 08:59.54 | Bennit | working for exam thingies :) |
| 09:00.10 | deebo | disk cache would make sense if the image is big |
| 09:00.39 | deebo | and i guess someone can bomb your captcha too with lots of reloads + interrupts so the images are stored in memory until garbage collected |
| 09:01.56 | Bennit | they can do that with normal page requests too |
| 09:02.28 | deebo | yup, except they usually dont store lots of intermediate data locally |
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| 15:21.40 | crashasap | Tomcat 5.5 , sun java 1.6.0.14 ,Redhat E5 General ?. Is there any advantage of compiling tomcat from source vs using the binary dist |
| 15:50.42 | haxplorer | crashasap: you could possibly use the optimization flags to get faster build |
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| 16:00.22 | crashasap | ok thanks |
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| 17:40.07 | arricherekk | I'm using Windows XP, jre1.6.0_05, and Tomcat 5.5.26. Tomcat starts but stops immediately thereafter. This is about the seventh time I've asked about this here, and the problem becomes evermore urgent. I've reinstalled the program multiple times over the last few months, but still have the same error every time I attempt to start it. Here's my log: http://pastebin.com/m7d77c94f |
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| 17:57.00 | pg1054 | i'm trying to 'nudge' a shared-host ISP to deploy Tomcat in addition to (on top of?) their already existing Apache2 web servers. Their response is " ... due to an inherent limitation in the way Tomcat was designed it is not a feasible alternative when used in a shared web hosting environment, even by their own admission ...". |
| 17:57.06 | pg1054 | I believe this is rather old, possibly now inaccurate info ... is it? Does/can Tomcat deploy as a "feasible alternative" in shared hosting env? |
| 17:57.07 | pg1054 | I'd appreciate any pointers to a clarifying/authoritative reference that I can refer +them_ to ... |
| 18:02.28 | jasonb | pg1054: Many things are different about how Tomcat works versus how Apache httpd works. So, those who have grown used to doing everything the httpd way probably won't like the Tomcat way of doing the same things. |
| 18:03.07 | jasonb | pg1054: I can tell you, though, from the perspective of doing it as a living, that it is possible to run a shared hosting environment with Tomcat. |
| 18:03.54 | jasonb | pg1054: It is certainly different than how one would do the same things with Apache httpd.. but there is more than one way of doing it with Tomcat. |
| 18:05.10 | pg1054 | jasonb: good to know. and i understand abt 'different approaches' ... hence the 'nudging' ... |
| 18:05.10 | pg1054 | apart from sending them google-search results, and calling them 'outdated', is there some reference you'd recommend that i can 'throw' at them to aid in convincing them? again, "they" are an Apache shop ... so Tomcat is an "add-on" for them. |
| 18:07.09 | jasonb | pg1054: Well, Tomcat/Servlets/JSP should be thought of as a replacement technology set for Apache httpd / mod_whatever.. instead of being thought of as something small and troublesome that you just hook up to Apache httpd. |
| 18:07.47 | jasonb | pg1054: In our book Tomcat: The Definitive Guide, 2nd Edition, I wrote lots of text about why Tomcat stand-alone is a faster, more scalable web server than Apache httpd, and proved that with benchmarks. |
| 18:08.49 | jasonb | pg1054: But, because Tomcat is an Apache Software Foundation project, and because the Apache Software Foundation made httpd, and is really centered around httpd, their web pages won't tend to say that Tomcat is a faster, more scalable web server than their flagship httpd server. |
| 18:10.32 | jasonb | pg1054: In the end, trying to convince httpd fanboys that they should support Tomcat in all the same ways is much like trying to convince Windows fanboys that they should use Linux.. |
| 18:10.51 | pg1054 | jasonb: Sure. "should" is ideal. and i agree with your points. for our _own_ use, we'd deploy internally, or "go glassfish" etc. for the ISP @hand, it'll never be "primary tech". but, rather an add-on -- unfortunate or unwise as that may be -- that'd enable mostly-apache-accts to add, e.g., a JSPWiki deployment. |
| 18:10.51 | pg1054 | iirc, there was (is?) "mod_jk2" or somesuch ... i.e., some way to plug-in Tomcat use. (1) does that still exist/thrive? (2) can one deploy _that_ in a shared env? |
| 18:11.17 | jasonb | never say never. |
| 18:11.48 | pg1054 | jasonb: well, i'm not interested in fanboy-arguments, one way or the other -- tho i may agree with you. |
| 18:11.48 | pg1054 | re: "never say never" ... i'm not. i'm asking 'how best can i?' |
| 18:11.53 | pg1054 | or, should ... |
| 18:12.01 | pg1054 | (other than replace apache ...) |
| 18:12.32 | jasonb | 1) yes, and it's deprecated in favor of mod_jk (1).. and both are the worst way to connect httpd to Tomcat. 2) Yes, but I pity anyone doing that. |
| 18:12.32 | pg1054 | i presume that folks _here_ are most likely to be aware :-) |
| 18:13.24 | jasonb | The best way of hooking up Tomcat "behind" httpd is: httpd > mod_proxy > Tomcat |
| 18:13.45 | jasonb | In that configuration, you only lose *half* of Tomcat's performance. |
| 18:14.01 | jasonb | With the other modules, you lose more than half. |
| 18:14.23 | jasonb | See my benchmarks, here: |
| 18:14.27 | jasonb | ibot: tdg-benchmarks |
| 18:14.28 | ibot | it has been said that tdg-benchmarks is http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596101060/chapter/index.html |
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| 18:21.02 | pg1054 | jasonb: aha! i can throw "the book" at them ;-) |
| 18:21.03 | pg1054 | ok, so 1/2 the _performance_ goes. perhaps a fair/knowing concession ... and, perhaps, a legit entree into Tomcat use, with eventual migration to full-deployment (alas, out of my control) |
| 18:21.07 | pg1054 | tho i'll read more deeply, how 'bout "functionality"? are things -- using mod_proxy -- fundamentally broken? is a mod_proxied instance of Tomcat then shareable actoss the shared Apache webservers? |
| 18:21.16 | pg1054 | i suspect i'm not even asking the right questions :-/ |
| 18:21.52 | jasonb | mod_proxy is not fundamentally broken. IMHO mod_jk and mod_jk2 both are. |
| 18:22.39 | jasonb | mod_proxied Tomcat is shareable, yes. |
| 18:23.20 | jasonb | And your questions are perfectly sound. |
| 18:23.56 | pg1054 | jasonb: so, iiuc -- and for the sake of (my) redundancy -- acknowledging that perfomance may 'suck' (at least by half ...) and tomcat-via-mod_proxy may well be the "hoser's approach", "it" is _doable_? |
| 18:24.25 | jasonb | Of course it is. |
| 18:24.43 | pg1054 | jasonb: excellent! thanks -- my approach will be to buy "them" a copy of your book! ;-) |
| 18:24.49 | jasonb | They just don't know how, and have no interest in doing it. |
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| 18:26.28 | pg1054 | jasonb: "don't know how", agreed. "no interest" -- well, i'm talking to, or rather "at -- front line support. i have exec's contacts -- which i'd not use without at least _some_ arguments in support. which, thanks to your help, i now have the beginnings of. |
| 18:27.06 | jasonb | pg1054: You're welcome. Good luck. And, oh, by the way, there are other Tomcat shared hosting providers out there. |
| 18:29.46 | pg1054 | jasonb: re: hosting. yes, of course. current catch22 is this is the shared host current client is rather heavily invested in (don't get me started ...). we're making progress in 'baby steps'. best ... er .. easiest atm ... approach is 'get them Tomcat'. a little prodding @ the ISP won't hurt ... |
| 18:29.46 | pg1054 | if that doesn't work, we'll simply deploy a non-shared servlet instance in a VM as the same ISP and make it available to them ... |
| 18:29.49 | jasonb | pg1054: See these: http://www.hostjava.net http://www.brainstabilizer.net http://performancehosting.net http://www.eapps.com |
| 18:30.00 | pg1054 | thx! |
| 18:30.30 | jasonb | Those URLs would be great in case their argument is: nobody's doing this because it doesn't work. |
| 18:31.22 | pg1054 | jasonb: yup. and those are, i assume, all "full" tomcat deployments, not the mod_proxied tomcat-in/via-apache we've been chatting abt? |
| 18:32.53 | jasonb | pg1054: It's only a matter of what each hosting provider wants to support. Some may have it proxied, or even mod_jk'd. |
| 18:33.32 | pg1054 | all very helpful. thx again! |
| 18:33.54 | jasonb | You're welcome. |
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| 19:07.51 | Jimmetry | Hi |
| 19:08.36 | Jimmetry | What's the easiest way to create/access a locally hosted SQL database from tomcat servlets? |
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| 19:13.42 | Jimmetry | I suppose... I'm basically looking for a Java SQLite equivalent... but not just a wrapper, preferably a jar library that can interact with the db file directly |
| 19:14.48 | pfn | use javadb |
| 19:15.01 | pfn | (i.e. sun's rebranding of cloudscape) |
| 19:15.16 | Jimmetry | I'll take a look. Thanks |
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| 19:59.03 | jasonb | Jimmetry: I'd recommend using either an embedded hsqldb, or an embedded h2. |
| 19:59.25 | jasonb | Jimmetry: For h2, see http://www.h2database.com |
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| 21:14.44 | Magicblaze007 | I just heard about tomcat and installed it. When I goto myserver.com:8080/sample, I get a HTTP Status 404. Requested resource not available. What am I doing wrong? |
| 21:19.05 | kjkoster5489 | Does http://myserver.com:8080/ work? |
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| 21:25.31 | Magicblaze007 | kjkoster5489: It does, thanks. |
| 21:26.02 | Magicblaze007 | I think I've not set global paths like $CLASSPATH. Can that be a problem? Sorry, I'm very new to this. |
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| 22:48.17 | Xaris | ummm... this isn't about Tomcat and I don't have a number, but is anyone familier with the Jenkem program on the Tomcat website? For some reason it's hidden. |
| 22:54.47 | Xaris | ok.. well if anyone wants to mess with it, it has a isolated URL. no links in or out. http://www.low-te.ch/jenkem/ |
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| 23:32.22 | Freimut0r | hi |
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