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06:59.03DarkStar1Hi all I just copied a war file into the tomcat webapps directory but when I restart the server it won't deploy
07:00.37DarkStar1I'm lost as to why
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14:37.52DarkStar1Hi ppl.. Is there a command which will show the exact version of tomcat that's in use
14:38.44DarkStar1the bin folder doesn't contain the version.sh as I've managed to google out
14:41.14flashnDarkStar1, "rpm -qa | grep tomcat || dpkg -l | grep tomcat"?
14:43.58DarkStar1flashn: Thanks.. I'm having problems deploying a webapp. I copy the war file into the directory but when I start TOmcat.. It doesn't deploy. Do I have to enable auto deploy or is it on by default
14:44.16flashnautoDeploy=true
14:44.20flashnin server.xml
14:44.28flashnno, thats not needed
14:44.32DarkStar1I'll check server now
14:44.36DarkStar1thanks
14:48.20DarkStar1flashn:  <Host name="localhost" appBase="webapps"  unpackWARs="true" autoDeploy="true"
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15:09.38DarkStar1does anyone know why tomcat could fail to autodeploy a war file?? I've even put back the old .war and it refuses to deploy that also
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16:00.54DarkStar1I'm having trouble deploying a webapp on tomcat 5.5. It won't upack the war file. I'm using CentOs
16:01.31DarkStar1atm I'm trying to setup access for the manager webapp
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16:56.56DarkStar1Ok I'm getting a: lock file found but no process running for pid xxxx  - error. So far I haven't been able to find a web solution as to how to find the offending process . Can anyone help please?
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17:29.38DarkStar1guess I can't be helped
17:34.26mophillyApache Tomcat/6.0.24, jvm 1.6.0_22-b04-307-10M3261 Apple Inc., Mac OS X 10.6.6 x86_64
17:38.20mophillyre: jackrabbit install. Installed without errors. cannot create new repository using jackrabbit web app. I have not specifically set $catalina_base. error messages and a bit more detail can be viewed at http://pastebin.com/UnQctQjS
17:39.17mophillyerror is raised in Installer.java, but I suspect the problem is the between the chair and keyboard.
17:40.41DarkStar1anyone know where the tomcat error log files are? I'm trying to track down the problem to the following error: lock file found but no process running for pid xxxx.
17:41.03DarkStar1I've already verified that the pid file and the process file match
17:46.43mophillyDarkStar1: seems pretty quiet here. Logs are in the Tomcat home directory in my installation.
17:47.38DarkStar1Yeah.. too quiet. Have you ever encountered a "lock file found but no process running for pid xxxx" error before?
17:48.16mophillyI have install on a mac os x server, which places things in different directories than linux.
17:48.38mophillyNo, I haven't. the log is named "catalina_out" I believe.
17:48.52mophillyerr... make that "catalina.out"
17:49.06DarkStar1mophilly: Yeah. I have a Mac install on my mbp too. No problems with that so far
17:49.42mophillyare you using the tomcat install in the server distro?
17:49.49DarkStar1mophilly: k. Thanks I'll go hunting now
17:50.28DarkStar1Well at the moment I'm trying to trouble shoot a deployment problem in CEntOS
17:51.15mophillyDarkStar1: also look for tomcat-launchd.stderr and .stdout
17:51.37mophillyinteresting... I was considering moving my work to a CentOS box.
17:51.45DarkStar1mophilly: I copied in a new war file and started tomcat but it wont deploy. When I execute the /etc/init.d/tomcat5 start it gives no error
17:52.03mophillysounds familiar.
17:52.13DarkStar1mophilly: but when I do a status check I get that lock file error
17:52.28mophillyIs your OS client or server?
17:52.38DarkStar1Server
17:52.52mophillyOk.
17:52.53DarkStar1It's a leased server on a provider
17:52.56DarkStar1virtual
17:53.04DarkStar1I'm troubleshooting for a friend
17:53.35DarkStar1however CentOS isn't that popular a server it seems so Googling for solution or similar problem fails
17:55.00DarkStar1I checked the /var/run/tomcat5.pid and the pid in the file  matches the process of the pid of the process. However a ps -aux | grep tomcat reveals a different ID
17:55.22DarkStar1mophilly: So I am close to the root of the problem
17:55.41mophillysounds like. Also, may be related to the trouble I am encountering.
17:56.19mophillyI can load the tomcat manager OK. And the jackrabbit war deployed successfully but I cannot create a new repository.
17:56.20DarkStar1What's yor problem?
17:56.38DarkStar1Your problem sounds like a permissions problem
17:56.40mophillyfails when the web app attempts to write the "repository.xml" file.
17:56.43mophillyyeah.
17:56.48mophillyI agree.
17:56.58DarkStar1do you have write access to the folder?
17:57.09mophillyyes.
17:57.48mophillywell, let me clarify that...
17:58.13DarkStar1Well I'm still quite new to tomcat so I don't know anything about jackrabbit
17:58.21mophillyuser _appserver has read/write permissions.
17:58.30mophillythat's ok. I am new to both.
17:58.45DarkStar1but if it's a app of sorts that you're using then maybe the username of the app doesn't have write access
17:59.19mophillygood thought.
18:03.39DarkStar1mophilly: Anyways I have to disappear for two hours. I'll come back and have a crack at it later.
18:04.11mophillyThanks, best of luck with your issue.
18:05.16DarkStar1mophilly: At this point I'm hoping for a miracle
18:05.20DarkStar1:D
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18:46.16Bunburyhello all
18:46.44Bunburycan i ask beta questions here or is there a seperate channel for that
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18:58.39Bunbury?
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19:06.48mophillyBunbury: it is kinda quiet here today. I don't know the answer to your question.
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21:11.17Ruumhey guys, do you know anything about opengrok?
21:27.24Ruumhello?
21:45.33Ruumif you must know, my OS is debian, and I believe that the tomcat version is 6.0.29
21:45.47Ruumso does anyone know anything about opengrok?
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21:52.47StrangeloopHi, I'm having a small crisis here and would appreciate any help. Our programmer quit on us and our website doesn't work all that well anymore. I have no experience with tomcat so I don't know how to start tackling this problem. We have apache configured with reverse proxy and we use jk as a connector.
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22:19.22RuumStrangeloop.... um.... dont take this the wrong way... but it sounds like your up a creek without a paddle
22:19.44StrangeloopRuum: I totally identify with this analogy
22:20.15Ruumbecause it takes more than just basic understanding of web stuff - to fully understand tomcat you need the following:
22:20.32StrangeloopThe thing is, that I don't work for a megacorp or something, it's a website of a local student council which students needs to prepare for finals (which start in a week) and the programmer just left
22:20.42StrangeloopAnd I know I can't learn tomcat overnight
22:21.10StrangeloopBut there is an installation which used to work until yesterday, and I am familiar with apache and unix in general
22:21.14Ruumunderstanding of the W3 web standards, java, and basic server admistration
22:21.27StrangeloopI am a system administrator
22:21.48Ruumbut you need to understand programming as well
22:22.08StrangeloopWell, I'm about to finish my major in computer science, so I do know of it to some extent ;)
22:22.14Ruumbeing a server admin can allow you do do things like deployment, setup, and shutting down
22:22.47StrangeloopThe thing is, that there's a system which is already up. I let the programmer deploy and configure all tomcat related stuff
22:22.51Ruumhow well do you know this: HTML, CSS, Javascript, xml..... and then you need to know this big one
22:22.52RuumJAVA
22:22.59StrangeloopSomething went wrong and I don't know how to start diagnozing it
22:23.29Ruumit sounds like he wasnt really programming anything
22:23.34StrangeloopI know a lot more about java then I know about webdev
22:23.50Ruumdeployment and configuration is not much programming at all
22:24.04StrangeloopOh, he was. There's an extensive academic bank application which worked perfectly until this morning
22:24.11StrangeloopWhich he designed
22:24.39Ruumits basic linux or windows stuff..... and then deployment is knowing where the .war files should be on the server
22:24.53StrangeloopOK, let me be more specific
22:24.56Ruumok.... so he pretty much did everything
22:25.02Ruumno need
22:25.27Ruumhaha you know... I would MUCH rather trade you problems
22:25.43StrangeloopThe website is aguda.org.il, which is Drupal based. Whenever a user tries to access aguda.org.il/ab he should be forwarded to a jsp application
22:26.01StrangeloopI know where the application itself is on the server, I just don't know how to configure this connection
22:26.24Ruummine is an opengrok problem.... and it seems that the IRC channel for this is now gone from freenode
22:26.46Ruumcan you just please put in the whole URL?
22:26.55Ruumand jsp isnt really an application
22:27.14Ruumit is a modified form of a HTML web page
22:27.27Ruumit is the .war file that is the actually application.
22:27.35Ruum*actual
22:27.55Strangeloophttp://aguda.org.il/ab
22:28.05Ruumthanks
22:28.16StrangeloopWhat you see there right now is a "page not found"
22:28.39StrangeloopI'm looking for .war files
22:29.05StrangeloopOK, I found the relevant .war file
22:29.06Ruumwow... I didnt know that hebrew was your native tongue... its a good thing I also use chrome
22:29.47Ruumwell just having the war file is only half the battle
22:29.58StrangeloopAt least I'm halfway there...
22:30.01Ruumwhat version of tomcat are you using do you know?
22:30.07Strangeloop5.5
22:30.14Ruumwow... ANCIENT
22:30.26Ruumyou know that they are coming out with 7 right?
22:30.46StrangeloopYup, unfortunately it's not native with cPanel
22:30.47Ruumanyway.... I know that doesnt help your current situation....
22:31.03Ruumbut you should consider upgrading in the future
22:31.35StrangeloopWell, the guys who run the website aren't very system savvy, and I don't work there regularly, they just hire me when things go bent
22:31.47StrangeloopSo I want to keep it all simple and GUI
22:32.06Ruumahaha well please keep in mind this
22:32.24Ruumfor a java web application do you know what controls the GUI?
22:33.57Strangeloopnope
22:34.37StrangeloopNever had to deal with anything which has anything to do with servlets before
22:36.05Ruumok... well with a NORMAL java desktop applcation
22:36.21Ruumit is the system or your OS that controls the parts of the GUI
22:36.39Ruummostly its up to the java programmer what a gui looks like
22:37.55RuumI have made some pretty robust java GUI's before
22:38.22Ruumnow with a .war file or a java web app
22:39.21Ruumit falls to the HTML or the CSS (mostly.... with more advanced web GUI's there is javascript involved as well) to configure the GUI the way you like it
22:40.12Ruumso that is why it takes more advanced understanding of web programming to make a good java web app or a .war file
22:40.43Ruumbecause in this case knowing java by itself is not enough
22:41.09Ruumyou need to ALSO know W3 web standards as well...
22:42.07Ruumthat is why for future reference... for making web applications its easier to start with something more simple like php..... its alot easier to setup and deploy
22:42.16Ruumbut for more advanced web programming
22:42.25Ruumthe muscle comes with java
22:42.55Ruumbecause java has alot of power behind it
22:43.12StrangeloopI have no intention on developing anything on tomcat for now
22:43.24StrangeloopI just want to get it to work the way it did until they find a new programmer
22:43.32Ruumso.... for you to take a crash course in web applications with tomcat..... well if its life and death....
22:43.47StrangeloopNext semester I'm taking a class about current internet technologies... I guess I'll be wiser after that
22:44.11Ruummy suggestion is alot of coffee and no life for about 3-4 days
22:45.06StrangeloopOK, now that I have a .war file, and I know I want any connection going to aguda.org.il/ab to be redirected to that app
22:45.14StrangeloopWhere's a good place to start?
22:45.42Ruumwell do you want a quick fix?
22:45.53StrangeloopThe stylesheets that app is supposed to use are the same ones that the website uses in general
22:45.56Ruumor do you want to understand the whole thing
22:46.11Ruumagain... a stylesheet is not the application
22:46.40StrangeloopI'm always happy to learn new things throughly, but the more time it takes me to fix this, the less time before exams people have an academic bank
22:46.41Ruumstylesheets help design the GUI for ANY webpage
22:46.51StrangeloopI know that...
22:46.54Ruumkk
22:46.56Ruumgood
22:47.14Ruumlook if you want a REALLY quick fix....
22:47.20StrangeloopYou were saying .war uses existing stylesheets for it's layout, so I was pointing out that these stylesheets exist, and they belong to the main site
22:48.07Ruumok.... here is what I understand about web apps in about one minute or less
22:48.12Ruumfirst here is java
22:48.21Ruumwhen java is compiled....
22:48.37Ruumit is compiled to a .class file
22:48.52Ruumthis class file contains what is called bytecode
22:49.31Ruumthe bytecode is read by the java virtual machine (or known as the jvm) and this is turned into machine code or binary
22:49.37StrangeloopDid I mention that I'm a comp-sci major?
22:49.51Ruumright.... I am getting to all of this...
22:49.59Ruumnow that is basic java...
22:50.02RuumNOW
22:50.12Ruumwith tomcat......
22:50.42Ruumoops I forgot a step
22:50.53StrangeloopI know all the steps, don't worry
22:51.13Ruum(back to basic java) now when class files are compressed they make a .jar file
22:51.17Ruumnow with tomcat
22:51.26Ruumyou need the tomcat
22:52.02Ruumplus something that will build and extract the application like ant
22:52.10Ruumand that is what i normally use
22:52.14Ruumtomcat + ant
22:52.43Ruumso tomcat is like apache for java
22:53.00Ruumand ant is almost like the compiler
22:53.41Ruumso... getting to your questions about stylesheets and .html files....
22:53.46Ruumhere is the deal
22:54.32Ruumwhat tomcat does is that like a .jar file that is consists of all .class files
22:55.56Ruumtomcat + ant will take a .war file that contains not only .class files but .xml files, .jsp files (which is like the java version of HTML), your .css files, and your javascript files
22:56.07Ruumand compress them into a .war file
22:57.20Ruumso this comprehensive explanation is explain what a .war file is and what tomcat + ant does
22:57.47StrangeloopOK, and given that I already have a .war file, and all I want is for it to run...?
22:57.58Ruumpretty much
22:58.27Ruumthis is based on the assumption that your tomcat has a building and extraction tool like ant
22:58.43StrangeloopWhich I need to create the .war file
22:58.48StrangeloopI get it, but I already have a .war file
22:58.56Ruumbecause without ant.... your .war file will not be extracted... thus it will not be deployed.
22:59.05StrangeloopI understand
22:59.09Ruumkk
22:59.20StrangeloopSo a .war file is something I need to deploy
22:59.26Ruumyep
22:59.40StrangeloopI think it already is deployed then
23:00.09Ruumwell the best thing to do is go to the web page where you think its deployed
23:00.16Ruumand inneract with it
23:00.37StrangeloopI have a directory in the server
23:00.56Strangeloopwhich contains all the css, jsp, and images of that application
23:01.05Strangeloopand also META-INF/  WEB-INF/ dirs
23:01.31StrangeloopSo I guess it's from the war file, or at least a tar file of some kind
23:02.44Ruumwell the META and the WEB stuff is more technical details.... they arent need to be understood to fix or modify to make it run
23:02.46RuumHOWEVER
23:03.07RuumI wouldnt mess with anything there..... until you understand xml
23:03.17StrangeloopI don't intend to
23:03.18RuumI wouldnt mess with those folders
23:03.21Ruumgood
23:03.37StrangeloopI'm pretty sure the code itself is fine, something just got broken in the server configurations
23:03.48StrangeloopBecause some moron rebuilt apache without consulting me
23:04.00Ruumshit....
23:04.13StrangeloopI had backups of most of the main configuration files
23:04.15Ruumwell this sounds like its not a tomcat problem
23:04.31Ruumbut.... what you COULD do is... keep the .war file
23:04.39StrangeloopIt's somewhere between tomcat and apache
23:04.53Ruumok... here is the easiest and safest fix
23:05.01StrangeloopI don't know if it's apache, or tomcat, or the connector
23:05.02Ruummake a copy of the war file
23:05.39RuumI think the "connector" your referring to would be something like ant
23:05.55StrangeloopNope, I'm talking about jk
23:05.58Ruumbut your safest bet is.....
23:06.26StrangeloopIt's an apache module which allows me to pass jsp requests to tomcat using reverse proxy configuration
23:07.02Ruumhaha shit dude... your problem REALLY is that your using a very old version of tomcat...
23:07.31Ruummost people dont even use jakarta anymore
23:07.54Ruumok... if they have upgraded your apache server
23:08.08StrangeloopThey didn't, same version
23:08.10Ruumfrom say..... 2.1 to 2.2 or something......
23:08.14Strangeloopthey upgraded php, which I had to downgrade
23:08.56Ruumwell you now have 2 choices again....
23:09.21Ruumbut before you do ...what OS are you using and what version?
23:09.33RuumI would assume linux
23:09.45Ruumsince your using apache
23:09.52Strangeloopcentos
23:09.53Strangeloop5
23:12.17RuumI like centos
23:12.53Ruumkk well it sounds like your using a up-to-date version of centos
23:12.58StrangeloopAre you going to tell me what you think I should do?
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23:13.41Ruumwell I think you should just upgrade your apache
23:14.03StrangeloopYou don't even know what apache version I'm using...
23:14.15Ruumwhat version then?
23:14.50Strangeloop3.2
23:14.57StrangeloopWait, no
23:15.18Strangeloop2.2, sry
23:16.10Ruumya they dont have 3.2 yet... haha
23:16.19Ruumwell that is the most recent
23:16.30StrangeloopI'm aware of that
23:16.34Ruumit sounds like you could have kept the lastest php verson
23:16.43StrangeloopI couldn't
23:16.48Strangeloopand it's not really relevant
23:16.58Ruumoh well.... ya that is what i was going to say
23:17.12StrangeloopListen, do you know to help me find where this should be configured?
23:17.17Ruumyour REAL problem is that the simplest fix is what I was saying
23:17.28StrangeloopWhich is?
23:17.28Ruumyou should just save the .war file
23:17.35Strangeloopand...?
23:17.48Ruumthen uninstall tomcat and ant
23:18.14Ruumand reinstall with the latest stable versions
23:18.26Ruumthen redeploy your .war file
23:19.06StrangeloopOMG, either you have no clue what you're talking about or you're a troll
23:19.20Ruumdude... here is the thing
23:19.45RuumI know you probably have some special configs with your current tomcat
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23:20.12DarkStar1Hi ppl. It would seem I have a runaway tomcat process
23:20.14Ruumbut the problem is that unless you know EXACTLY where the problem is that you could be at it for hours and hours and ours
23:20.36Ruumtrying to "debug" your tomcat problem
23:21.00Ruumbecause if the war is unscathed.... then ya its your tomcat
23:21.15StrangeloopI know that!
23:21.27StrangeloopMy entire question was where should I start looking
23:21.30Strangeloop:/
23:21.39DarkStar1I have been at this for hours now and just noticed something every time I do a ps -eaf | grep tomcat.. The pid for tomcat changes. I have no ide what's causing this
23:21.55Ruumwell do you want to go through a TON of config files?
23:22.49RuumI know it sounds like a CRAZY idea to wipe clean your tomcat and ant and start over.....
23:23.06Ruumbut if you want to get this fixed as soon as possible....
23:23.36Ruumwell.... trust me when I say that it would not take you long to configure and install a new tomcat and ant
23:23.38StrangeloopListen, I think the problem is me rewrite rules were reset
23:23.52StrangeloopI just don't know how to write a proper redirect
23:23.59StrangeloopTo work between apache and tomcat
23:24.59Ruumok... now I think your talking about getting the index.jsp file to autoload instead of having the webapp have to go to port 8080
23:25.21Ruumto load your web app
23:25.37Ruumsee this is in the xml configuration files
23:25.56Ruumthat is how an index.jsp file is loaded.
23:26.18StrangeloopI don't have an index.jsp, I have a main.js
23:26.19Ruumbut that is for a NORMAL working tomcat and a NORMAL working apache
23:26.52Ruumwell main.js has NOTHING to do with the .war file working or not
23:27.02Ruumthat is just a lame javascript file
23:27.22Ruumunless the main.js is controlling the redirect that your talking about
23:28.22Ruumanother thing you could try is to remove the war file (DONT DELETE IT) and write a "hello world" java web application
23:28.27Ruumand try to get that to work
23:29.47Strangeloopis index.jsp supposed to be in tomcat's public_html?
23:30.26Ruumok..... tomcat doesnt have an "public_hmtl" it has... hold up a sec...
23:32.10StrangeloopNope, I don't seem to have any index.jsp file
23:32.17Ruumit has a place where you put the .war file that is like an "public_html" file
23:32.32Ruumand the war file SHOULD contain a index.jsp file
23:32.50Ruumfor the server that I am on... its this:
23:32.51Strangeloopit doesn't
23:35.29Ruumthen he could be javaserver faces or jsf instead
23:35.31Ruumhttp://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javaee/javaserverfaces-139869.html
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23:36.26Ruumbasically a war file SHOULD contain EVERYTHING that makes the web app work as far as code
23:36.37Ruumwar is nothing more than a web jar file
23:36.52Ruumthat is what war stands for "web jar" file
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23:40.37Ruumso that is what I am saying
23:40.45Ruumyou have 2 choices again...
23:41.23Ruumyou can spend hours and hours trying to figure out where the configuration error is between the tomcat and the apache web server
23:41.43Ruumor your can just uninstall and reinstal
23:41.54Ruumreinstall
23:42.53Ruumand you might find that uninstall and reinstall might be faster in this case
23:42.54Ruumespecially since your tomcat is pretty old
23:43.06Ruumand prolly takes alot more configuring to make it work
23:43.28RuumI find that the newer the version the easier the tomcat is to setup
23:44.24Ruumbut I am no pro with setting them up.... I just know that in some cases that it is easier to backup all your war files and uninstall and reinstall your tomcat server
23:44.37Ruumwith ant
23:45.27Ruumso I can say again... I am not trying to troll here dude....
23:46.04Ruumultimately its up to you on which route you take
23:46.23Ruumbut I know unistall and reinstall could be alot faster for you in the end
23:46.44Ruumthen trying to become a tomcat configuring pro over night
23:47.18Ruumdo you see my logic now strangloop ?
23:49.16Ruumanyway.... back to my question.... .does anyone know anything about opengrok?
23:50.49Ruumyo Strangeloop are you there?
23:54.15Ruumwell I am going to get food bbiab
23:59.26StrangeloopRuum: sorry, I forgot IRC was open, thanks for your time
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