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| 03:56.43 | sorphin | clear |
| 03:56.45 | sorphin | grr |
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| 04:24.53 | sorphin | oh goodie |
| 04:24.54 | sorphin | mplayer/mw.c:235: Internal compiler error in print_rtl_and_abort, at flow.c:6458Please submit a full bug report, |
| 04:24.54 | sorphin | with preprocessed source if appropriate. |
| 04:25.19 | LIM | ew... |
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| 04:54.29 | file | hi mallum |
| 04:54.37 | file | unfortunately I must go |
| 04:54.38 | file | bbl |
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| 06:54.57 | sorphin | heh, seems it's a known bug w/ gcc 3.0.4, the suggestion, upgrade to 3.1... bah |
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| 07:31.48 | fontenot | 3.2 |
| 07:31.53 | fontenot | :-D |
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| 08:00.07 | kergoth | morning |
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| 08:11.09 | sorphin | fontenot: i don't trust bleeding edge compilers |
| 08:11.20 | sorphin | kergoth: too bad |
| 08:11.24 | kergoth | yes |
| 08:22.01 | sorphin | makeup your mine :P |
| 08:22.03 | sorphin | mind |
| 08:30.51 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 08:31.10 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: lo |
| 08:36.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 08:37.01 | sorphin | prpplague: not you again *grin* |
| 08:41.29 | sorphin | s/cause/case/ |
| 08:41.39 | sorphin | prpplague: actually i thought the IBM POS's were like that |
| 08:54.41 | prpplague | argh, i'm going insane dealing with SANE |
| 08:54.56 | kergoth | SANE? |
| 08:55.38 | prpplague | kergoth: http://panda.mostang.com/sane/ |
| 08:58.32 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats wierd - I have a HP, which is notorious for not working correctly (it took me 3 days to get printing to work) |
| 08:58.36 | CosmicPenguin | but SANE worked the first time out of the box |
| 09:00.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol, ya well, i'm dealing with some scanners that "should be supported" but no one can test since they could $2k+ |
| 09:01.57 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you lead a wide and varied life |
| 09:02.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you don't know the 1/2 of it |
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| 09:17.33 | CosmicPenguin | heh - I just found my house on a satellite photo... :) |
| 09:18.07 | sorphin | yeah, did that ages ago w/ mine |
| 09:21.45 | sorphin | prpplague: fun fun.. all the rest of the drones are out watching the new ceo on the internal TV crap |
| 09:21.48 | sorphin | not me ;) |
| 09:22.01 | sorphin | i don't flipping care who the latest ceo is ,as long as i still get paid |
| 09:30.18 | prpplague | sorphin: lol, typical worldcom...... |
| 09:33.19 | CosmicPenguin | 8 meter resolution - not too shabby |
| 09:37.55 | sorphin | prpplague: least i got to set my hours how i want now |
| 09:39.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey is there a wy-50 emulation program for linux? |
| 09:39.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is there a TT app for linux? |
| 09:40.08 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yep |
| 09:40.34 | sorphin | prpplague: are there actual ibm POS drivers for linux? oops.. sorry, they're vaporware ;) |
| 09:40.56 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: don't you have cisco routers to break? |
| 09:41.12 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: nope |
| 09:41.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: embeddable in a thin client? |
| 09:41.48 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i don't have access to the AlterNet routers, so.... (not to mention they break themselves anyways) |
| 09:43.09 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yep |
| 09:44.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: from censoft |
| 09:44.29 | prpplague | ? |
| 09:44.34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yes |
| 09:44.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: cost? |
| 09:45.11 | CosmicPenguin | -rwxrwxr-x 1 jordanc jordanc 767560 Nov 15 09:44 term |
| 09:45.17 | CosmicPenguin | And thats statically linked, too |
| 09:45.22 | sorphin | <dr evil voice> one million dollars </dr evil voice> |
| 09:46.31 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I don't know, and I don't want to know. I just write the code |
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| 09:46.54 | CosmicPenguin | But you can try the sumbitch out for eval - go to the Censoft web site |
| 09:47.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: got someone i can call? |
| 09:47.11 | CosmicPenguin | batman? |
| 09:47.20 | sorphin | ghost busters? |
| 09:47.22 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, wait - somebody who knows about term.... |
| 09:47.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i got a situation where i need wy50 emulation on a TC quick |
| 09:47.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: 100 copies |
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| 10:08.35 | sorphin | Morn: you get my /m yesterday about maestro not workin? |
| 10:08.47 | Morn | sorphin: yeah, not sure why, it works here fine |
| 10:08.52 | sorphin | well |
| 10:08.54 | Morn | only thing I can guess is that I'm using XP |
| 10:09.02 | sorphin | what you sent me is a self extracting .rar |
| 10:09.10 | Morn | that's what I had |
| 10:09.10 | sorphin | it just dumps it into a dir |
| 10:09.13 | sorphin | hmm |
| 10:09.26 | Morn | I just unarchived to a dir under c:\temp\maestro |
| 10:09.32 | Morn | and I run it from there |
| 10:10.15 | sorphin | hmm |
| 10:10.32 | Morn | I have a bunch of tools in c:\temp for this stuff |
| 10:11.02 | sorphin | like ? |
| 10:11.19 | Morn | stuff for re-encoding |
| 10:11.28 | Morn | after you re-encode you have to fix the framerate |
| 10:11.51 | Morn | to keep things in sync |
| 10:12.19 | Morn | I also have avisynth2 and smartripper and such in there |
| 10:13.31 | sorphin | ah |
| 10:14.10 | Morn | well, I should run to work |
| 10:14.18 | Morn | pretend to do something usefull |
| 10:16.37 | sorphin | hehe |
| 10:47.49 | sorphin | Morn: heh, it loads now |
| 10:48.12 | prpplague | BZFlag: you heard anything else about royals linea pda;s? |
| 10:48.25 | sorphin | prpplague: i still want that vaporware one :P |
| 10:49.07 | BZFlag | prpplague: nope. we have some other fun toys in the pipe though. I'll check to see if any can be made public here. |
| 10:49.27 | sorphin | BZFlag: :) (frame reminder *grin*) |
| 10:49.53 | prpplague | BZFlag: ok, don't get your ass in a sling over anything |
| 10:50.23 | BZFlag | sorphin: oh. I heard back on the frame stuff. looks like a no go. |
| 10:50.31 | sorphin | ah, okie |
| 10:50.40 | sorphin | guess it's time to just track ebay |
| 10:50.42 | BZFlag | kodak sold off most of the inventory already and does not plan to make more. |
| 10:51.05 | sorphin | nod |
| 10:51.23 | BZFlag | the ceiva is available cheap but is only 4M/2M so not terribly useful for other projects. |
| 10:51.26 | sorphin | seems to be the curent trend w/ everything cool these days |
| 10:51.38 | prpplague | agreed |
| 10:51.43 | sorphin | i've actually been watching cevias on ebay |
| 10:51.56 | sorphin | that's hte only ones that have been showing up |
| 10:52.10 | CosmicPenguin | 4M/2M? Thats gobs of space... :) |
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| 10:52.23 | BZFlag | perhaps tomw would look into adding memory to them? they have a cf slot so storage would not be much of an issue. though there is only one slot so if you want a network you'd have to do nfsroot. |
| 10:52.28 | prpplague | BZFlag: i met with digi yesterday, they are suppose to be looking at opening up some of their inexpensive arm based devices |
| 10:52.35 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: not for a gui. |
| 10:52.51 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: no comment... ;) |
| 10:53.08 | BZFlag | prpplague: digi-frame ? that would be cool. the 1700 is x86, which are arm? |
| 10:53.09 | sorphin | BZFlag: well, adding memory wouldn't be too much of an issue, if i actually got to look at the damn things :P |
| 10:53.46 | BZFlag | sorphin: pick one up on eBay. they are only 150 retail, I would think they would be available on ebay for less. |
| 10:53.54 | prpplague | BZFlag: actually its from one of their subsidiares call "inside out networks" |
| 10:53.59 | sorphin | BZFlag: i missed a really good price on one |
| 10:54.08 | sorphin | like... $89 i think |
| 10:54.12 | sorphin | someone beat me to tbe buy it now |
| 10:54.20 | sorphin | been checking every so often now |
| 10:54.38 | collord | what device? sorry |
| 10:54.42 | sorphin | what really annoys me is i missed the cheaper prices on the Intel QX3+'s |
| 10:54.51 | sorphin | now they're all in the 50s+ |
| 10:55.45 | prpplague | BZFlag: http://www.ionetworks.com/products/anywhereusb.html |
| 10:55.50 | prpplague | BZFlag: thats arm based |
| 10:55.55 | sorphin | one prob is it's approacing xmas time :/ |
| 10:56.30 | sorphin | so cattle mutilations^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hprices are up |
| 10:56.39 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: might not be a problem this year, with the economy as it is |
| 10:56.43 | BZFlag | prpplague: sa1111 then? |
| 10:56.48 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you'd be surprised |
| 10:56.53 | CosmicPenguin | It would be real tough to push through a $500 PDA this year |
| 10:57.11 | prpplague | BZFlag: a net+arm product |
| 10:57.26 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: the prices on the QX3+ went from about $25 to $50+.. (it's a toy, but still) |
| 10:57.42 | BZFlag | prpplague: looks to be a usb host though, yes? so what's doing that? |
| 10:57.47 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: we've already seen the XBox add two free games |
| 10:57.50 | BZFlag | prpplague: is it linux currently? |
| 10:58.15 | prpplague | BZFlag: i wasn't able to get all the details, but no, its proprietary os |
| 10:58.16 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yeah, i bought mine before that tho (and have no games for it anyways) |
| 10:58.25 | CosmicPenguin | I'm thinking that we'll start to see drops in prices throughout December |
| 10:58.28 | prpplague | sorphin: qx3+ ? |
| 10:58.37 | sorphin | prpplague: usb microscope |
| 10:58.40 | CosmicPenguin | And if nothing else, the first part of January will be bargain time |
| 10:58.42 | prpplague | sorphin: oh |
| 10:59.06 | prpplague | ya i need to hit wal-mart again looking for inexpensive devices to hack |
| 10:59.08 | sorphin | prpplague: dicconntinued, but tis a shame |
| 10:59.16 | sorphin | really nice device |
| 10:59.25 | sorphin | magnifies up to 200x |
| 10:59.31 | sorphin | good for SMT work ;) |
| 10:59.36 | collord | prpplague: heh, any poking at the photoframe? |
| 10:59.54 | prpplague | collord: naw, thats what BZFlag was just disscusing |
| 10:59.58 | sorphin | hmm |
| 11:00.01 | collord | oh right |
| 11:00.07 | collord | i have 5 to give to developers |
| 11:00.09 | sorphin | only 4 ceivas on ebay atm |
| 11:00.20 | sorphin | collord: oh? |
| 11:00.57 | collord | yeah linuxfund grabbed them when they were cheap with this in mind, but never got around to figuring out how to give them away |
| 11:01.21 | sorphin | hey the kodak ones or the ceiva ? |
| 11:01.24 | collord | ceiva |
| 11:01.25 | sorphin | they even |
| 11:01.32 | collord | er, wait, sorry polaroid |
| 11:01.40 | sorphin | the ceiva is polaroid |
| 11:01.43 | collord | ok |
| 11:01.48 | BZFlag | collord: should be a fairly easy port. Kodak might be interested in funding it if you can get to the right contact there. I've been trying with no luck. |
| 11:02.00 | BZFlag | oh. ceiva... |
| 11:02.03 | sorphin | hehe |
| 11:02.08 | collord | isn't it the same hardware? |
| 11:02.14 | sorphin | we'd be happy to port if kodak would GIVE us some :P |
| 11:02.20 | sorphin | collord: not quite |
| 11:02.28 | BZFlag | the ceiva needs a hardware mod to add a serial port. it's a arm720 not a sa. |
| 11:02.47 | BZFlag | kernel is booting there, but the lcd driver needs to be done still. |
| 11:03.04 | sorphin | it's only a 720? |
| 11:03.21 | BZFlag | sorphin: that's what I've been saying to kodak but so far interest but no action. |
| 11:03.24 | collord | the ceiva is the cirrus arm7-based SoC |
| 11:03.27 | sorphin | unless it's the kodak that's an sa |
| 11:03.37 | BZFlag | yeah, kodak is sa |
| 11:03.38 | prpplague | i'm wondering about this - http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1744767&cat=5268&type=5&dept=0&path=0%3A4171%3A4173%3A61954%3A5268 |
| 11:03.48 | Russ|werk | morning |
| 11:04.05 | sorphin | prpplague: bubble :P |
| 11:04.14 | Russ|werk | you have linux running on that, right? |
| 11:04.24 | sorphin | Russ|werk: no, he wants to tho |
| 11:04.38 | BZFlag | $39 is cheap enough. ;-) |
| 11:05.01 | sorphin | prpplague: buy one, crack it open and let us know ;) |
| 11:05.03 | prpplague | BZFlag: ya well, i'll probably pick one up tonight |
| 11:05.08 | sorphin | :) |
| 11:05.13 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah, let us know |
| 11:05.34 | sorphin | prpplague: with our luck tho, it's another damn bubble chip :P |
| 11:05.40 | CosmicPenguin | 4 AA batteries.... |
| 11:05.58 | BZFlag | I'll bet on the bubble chip too. |
| 11:06.05 | CosmicPenguin | Sorry, 2 AA batteries |
| 11:06.17 | prpplague | http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1926415&cat=105072&type=5&dept=4171&path=0%3A4171%3A103119%3A103368%3A103369 |
| 11:06.18 | sorphin | seems all those kids things like that, are bubble |
| 11:06.25 | CosmicPenguin | Does it have a built in CD-ROM, or is it USB? |
| 11:06.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: usb |
| 11:06.37 | CosmicPenguin | beautiful |
| 11:07.04 | sorphin | prpplague: you just loves these kids toys :P |
| 11:07.24 | prpplague | sorphin: they are cheap, and mass produced |
| 11:07.28 | prpplague | sorphin: thats what i like |
| 11:07.32 | sorphin | and likely not arm :P |
| 11:07.38 | prpplague | sorphin: agreed |
| 11:08.22 | prpplague | sorphin: non the less, if you can figure out things like the lcd, might be worth it to stuff a trizeps inside |
| 11:08.41 | sorphin | true |
| 11:09.00 | sorphin | BZFlag: could we do anything w/ that 720 worthwhile? |
| 11:09.41 | prpplague | sorphin: 720 ? |
| 11:09.47 | sorphin | prpplague: heh, more VTech gear. |
| 11:09.56 | BZFlag | well it would have to be uclinux right? the 720 is mmuless iirc |
| 11:09.57 | prpplague | sorphin: ohh |
| 11:09.58 | sorphin | prpplague: yeah, the arm720/whats in the ceiva |
| 11:10.13 | sorphin | actually |
| 11:10.17 | prpplague | sorphin: no the ceive has a T |
| 11:10.20 | sorphin | BZFlag: 2.5.x supports mmuless now |
| 11:10.23 | prpplague | sorphin: it does have a mmu |
| 11:10.37 | sorphin | ok you 2, make up your mind ;) |
| 11:10.57 | sorphin | i'm getting crossed arm signals here :P |
| 11:11.20 | BZFlag | hmm. right. looks like the 720 is +mmu. cool. |
| 11:11.27 | sorphin | :) |
| 11:11.41 | sorphin | BZFlag: so if we could fit bigger storage on it |
| 11:12.02 | BZFlag | issues are no input device, no networking, only one serial port that has to be added. one CF slot. |
| 11:12.06 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: heh, that last one looks kind of like the Oragami: http://www.cocom.co.uk/products/origami_story4.htm |
| 11:12.22 | sorphin | BZFlag: cf networking |
| 11:12.23 | prpplague | http://www.abcsinc.com/small-linux/ceiva/ceiva.htm |
| 11:12.26 | BZFlag | so CF networking gives you a remote display. |
| 11:12.34 | sorphin | yup |
| 11:12.39 | BZFlag | but still no (well little) input. |
| 11:12.51 | Russ|werk | the linux thing was a joke |
| 11:12.53 | BZFlag | there are some buttons iirc but not a touch screen. |
| 11:13.07 | BZFlag | Russ|werk: which? |
| 11:13.07 | Russ|werk | looks like an etch-a-sketch |
| 11:13.14 | Russ|werk | both |
| 11:14.13 | sorphin | prpplague: heh, pdf central |
| 11:14.32 | collord | making photoframe a remote x would be pretty cool |
| 11:14.46 | prpplague | BZFlag: the board itself has all of the cpu lines brought out on the pcb and the ram and flash pads have multiple sizes on the pcb |
| 11:14.47 | collord | but the refresh on the lcd sucks |
| 11:15.06 | sorphin | prpplague: bonus |
| 11:15.21 | sorphin | hmm |
| 11:15.22 | sorphin | i see that |
| 11:15.42 | sorphin | heh |
| 11:15.43 | sorphin | cute |
| 11:15.47 | sorphin | "magic board" |
| 11:15.48 | prpplague | BZFlag: the original ideagrove board had a ucb1200 onboard, but was not used in production |
| 11:16.11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: could you drop one in? |
| 11:16.12 | BZFlag | http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/colin/ceiva/Ceiva-mini-HOWTO.html |
| 11:16.43 | collord | oh sweet |
| 11:16.47 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: drop what in? |
| 11:16.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: to small of soldering for me |
| 11:17.05 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: me too, but I know some people that do that stuff for fun |
| 11:17.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey that pragoma pda, looks pretty cute |
| 11:17.08 | sorphin | prpplague: now you know why i want the QX3 ;) |
| 11:17.30 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: when they made it, they forget to put numbers on the keyboard |
| 11:18.07 | CosmicPenguin | Last year at Comdex - it was the flagship product for XP Embedded, execpt that they couldn't get XP Embedded running on it |
| 11:18.07 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: heh, lovely |
| 11:18.15 | sorphin | haha |
| 11:18.41 | CosmicPenguin | The guy in charge of the program wanted us to put linux on it, but he was scared of what Microsoft would do if they found out |
| 11:19.05 | sorphin | hehe |
| 11:19.14 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you mean beat him to death w/ sticks? |
| 11:19.28 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: on which? |
| 11:19.41 | CosmicPenguin | It was pretty cool - they had a complete hardware lab in a suite at the Hilton - soldering stations and the whole bit |
| 11:19.55 | sorphin | BZFlag: the pragoma i thikn |
| 11:20.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how much are they selling for? |
| 11:20.16 | CosmicPenguin | not |
| 11:20.22 | CosmicPenguin | proof of concept, as far as I know |
| 11:20.28 | sorphin | typical |
| 11:20.41 | CosmicPenguin | Thats the comdex way |
| 11:20.48 | sorphin | true |
| 11:21.22 | collord | has anyone held the new dell or viewsonic PDAs? |
| 11:21.29 | sorphin | nope |
| 11:21.42 | sorphin | tho, i wouldn't hold anything dell |
| 11:21.52 | CosmicPenguin | I get all my PDAs at Crazy Bobs House of Pancakes and PDAs |
| 11:21.56 | CosmicPenguin | Down on State and 33rd |
| 11:22.06 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: only in UT ;) |
| 11:22.30 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: free short stack with every purchase |
| 11:22.41 | collord | i prefer my ip stacks long |
| 11:22.46 | collord | or, tall |
| 11:22.57 | sorphin | collord: he meant pancakes |
| 11:22.58 | CosmicPenguin | Bah - you only need the first 3 layers anyway |
| 11:24.32 | prpplague | collord: ya i had a couple of the viewsonics in |
| 11:25.07 | prpplague | collord: viewsonic is scared of m$ |
| 11:25.24 | prpplague | collord: they won't even consider linux |
| 11:26.10 | CosmicPenguin | Seesh, can Bugzilla get any more complicated? |
| 11:26.17 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: prolly |
| 11:27.11 | collord | i don't blame them of course, i was just wondering if it's more than vapor |
| 11:27.31 | collord | there was nothing after the initial announcement iirc |
| 11:27.55 | collord | prpplague: is there any reason linux wouldn't run on them? |
| 11:28.34 | prpplague | collord: on the viewsonic stuff? no, other than i really didn't have time to mess with a company who didn't want to co-operate with me |
| 11:29.19 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: did you crack one open, to see whats in side? |
| 11:30.03 | collord | prpplague: understood. |
| 11:30.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the ones i had were sa-1110 based |
| 11:31.00 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: UCB1200 too? |
| 11:31.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ucb1300 IIRC |
| 11:31.23 | CosmicPenguin | same diff |
| 11:31.31 | prpplague | gotta run to a meeting, bbiaf |
| 11:31.37 | CosmicPenguin | later |
| 11:31.39 | collord | wha? i thought it was xscale 300 |
| 11:32.02 | CosmicPenguin | JAAC |
| 11:41.49 | CosmicPenguin | I love this website: http://www.dhmo.org/ |
| 11:42.16 | sorphin | ummm |
| 11:42.27 | sorphin | dihydrogen monoxide research? |
| 11:44.39 | Russ|werk | that is some dangerous stuff man |
| 11:45.01 | Russ|werk | the government needs to put a lid on corprate americas continued use of dhmo |
| 11:45.47 | *** join/#tuxscreen sjhill (~NOYB@dsl73.cedar-rapids.net) |
| 11:46.24 | sorphin | never heard of it till now :P |
| 11:47.14 | Russ|werk | you should call your local representative and inform him of the dangers of dhmo |
| 11:47.20 | sjhill | any familiar with busybox insmod segfaulting if built with debuggin smbols (-g)? |
| 11:47.28 | sorphin | sjhill: man, who let you in here? :P |
| 11:47.33 | CosmicPenguin | I'm gonna get their "Ban DHMO" t-shirt |
| 11:47.37 | CosmicPenguin | I just wish they had bumper stickers |
| 11:47.48 | sjhill | sorphin: i kissed andersee's behind |
| 11:48.51 | sorphin | sjhill: you still got some brown stuff on your nose |
| 11:48.51 | sjhill | oops |
| 11:49.15 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: on MIPS I assume |
| 11:49.23 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: yessir |
| 11:49.44 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: like sjhill works w/ anything but mips ;) |
| 11:50.10 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: is this the dihydrogen monoxide thing? |
| 11:50.23 | sorphin | MonMotha: yes |
| 11:50.40 | MonMotha | I hear it's even readily available at schools, and that prolonged immersion can be fatal! |
| 11:51.01 | sjhill | dihyrogen monoxide...wt? oooohhhhhh |
| 11:51.08 | sorphin | man |
| 11:51.13 | sorphin | this is in a LOT of stuff |
| 11:51.26 | MonMotha | two hydrogens, one oxygen...H2O |
| 11:51.45 | MonMotha | or more properly known as ___________ (fill in the blank and get a cookie!) |
| 11:51.51 | sorphin | water :P |
| 11:51.59 | MonMotha | ibot give sorphin a cookie |
| 11:51.59 | | MonMotha: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 11:52.08 | sjhill | ibot: how about fuck off |
| 11:52.08 | | sjhill: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 11:52.17 | sorphin | ibot: lart sjhill |
| 11:52.22 | MonMotha | sjhill: you really don't like that bot do you |
| 11:52.28 | sorphin | damn broadcom ppl |
| 11:52.30 | sjhill | *sigh* the story of my life this week |
| 11:52.31 | sorphin | can't trust em |
| 11:53.35 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: why the hell did someone go through all the trouble of this page? |
| 11:54.53 | sjhill | sorphin: what URL are u lookin' at? |
| 11:55.13 | sorphin | the www.dhmo.org |
| 11:55.24 | sorphin | i must be tired, it never even clicked in |
| 11:56.21 | Russ|werk | dammit MonMotha, why did you tell him? |
| 11:56.34 | sorphin | Russ: i woulda thought of it eventually |
| 11:56.45 | sorphin | just a bit more involved in other important things |
| 11:57.16 | sorphin | never, in my chemistry class |
| 11:57.27 | sorphin | did they call it "dihydrogen monoxide" :P |
| 11:57.45 | sorphin | either h20 or water :P |
| 11:58.02 | sjhill | yep, i may have to buy a shirt |
| 11:58.25 | sorphin | heh |
| 11:59.53 | sorphin | wanna talk unstable :P |
| 12:00.28 | MonMotha | sorphin: that's because you're not supposed to call it dihydrogen monoxide |
| 12:00.43 | MonMotha | that would be it's name if it didn't have a special name. However, it does have a special name: WATER |
| 12:00.53 | sorphin | exactly |
| 12:01.08 | sorphin | someone musta been awful bored to make that page |
| 12:01.28 | MonMotha | sorphin: there's lots of bored people on the net |
| 12:01.40 | sjhill | sorphin: probably someone who majored in the arts...no engineer would have that kind of time it he/she is any good |
| 12:01.54 | sorphin | prolly |
| 12:02.00 | sjhill | damnit |
| 12:02.04 | sorphin | s/sicks/sucks/ |
| 12:02.22 | sjhill | *sigh* just break my fingers and get it over with |
| 12:02.49 | sorphin | put your fingers on the table please |
| 12:02.51 | MonMotha | ibot lart sjhill's fingers |
| 12:02.59 | sjhill | lol |
| 12:03.00 | sorphin | MonMotha: ummm |
| 12:03.09 | sorphin | MonMotha: listen here you sicko |
| 12:03.13 | sorphin | we'll have none of that in here |
| 12:03.30 | MonMotha | sorphin: that was all ibot :) |
| 12:03.36 | sorphin | you told ibot to do it tho |
| 12:03.45 | sorphin | guilt through association |
| 12:03.55 | MonMotha | I see... |
| 12:03.57 | sorphin | sjhill: now, as i said |
| 12:04.01 | sorphin | put your fingers on the table |
| 12:04.10 | BZFlag | ~insule sorphin |
| 12:04.10 | | BZFlag: bugger all, i dunno |
| 12:04.14 | BZFlag | ~insult sorphin |
| 12:04.16 | sjhill | i changed my mind |
| 12:04.24 | MonMotha | ibot spell insule |
| 12:04.24 | | possible spellings for insule: insure insult |
| 12:04.29 | BZFlag | heh |
| 12:04.30 | sorphin | ibot: kill bzflag |
| 12:04.30 | | bugger all, i dunno, sorphin |
| 12:04.31 | sjhill | thx BZFlag |
| 12:04.34 | sorphin | bah |
| 12:04.42 | CosmicPenguin | Wow - I had no idea ibot was into that kind of stuff |
| 12:05.04 | sorphin | BZFlag: besides, he asked for someone to break them :P |
| 12:05.11 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: nor did I |
| 12:05.12 | BZFlag | heh |
| 12:05.59 | sorphin | ibot: lobotomy monmotha |
| 12:05.59 | | sorphin: wish i knew |
| 12:06.12 | sorphin | BZFlag: you really need to clean up that "help file" ;) |
| 12:07.08 | BZFlag | sorphin: Patches welcome. ;-) |
| 12:07.21 | sorphin | heh |
| 12:07.28 | sorphin | i'd need the original to patch it :P |
| 12:07.37 | BZFlag | ~source |
| 12:07.37 | | extra, extra, read all about it, source is http://www.handhelds.org/sources.html or on SF http://blootbot.sf.net/ |
| 12:07.46 | sorphin | umm |
| 12:07.46 | BZFlag | ~blootbot |
| 12:07.47 | | somebody said blootbot was at http://blootbot.sf.net/, or written in perl |
| 12:07.56 | sorphin | that help file was there before ibot was a bloot bot, tim |
| 12:08.15 | sorphin | as was the 'lobotomy' command that doesn't exist |
| 12:08.35 | BZFlag | ~blootbot is also a SF project. Patches welcome, submit on SF or mail to Tim@Rikers.org |
| 12:08.35 | | BZFlag: okay |
| 12:09.01 | BZFlag | lobotomy does exist, but only with admin access. |
| 12:09.07 | sorphin | ah |
| 12:09.15 | BZFlag | what needs to happen is to only show the commands you can access. |
| 12:09.21 | sorphin | right |
| 12:11.46 | Russ|werk | ~wanker |
| 12:11.46 | | Russ|werk: are you smoking crack? |
| 12:12.14 | sorphin | yeah, i'd say he is |
| 12:19.39 | MonMotha | let's see how long it takes to draw a 1024x768 image to the tux using remote X at 115.2kbps! :) |
| 12:20.13 | sorphin | heh |
| 12:20.14 | MonMotha | can the tux's serial ports run reliably at 230400bps or are they pretty much limited to 115200? |
| 12:20.31 | MonMotha | because my desktop can do 230400 I think |
| 12:20.48 | sorphin | never ran above 115.2k on anything myself |
| 12:21.04 | MonMotha | hum, maybe I should jsut get an etherent card |
| 12:23.19 | MonMotha | ag, the screen is only 8bit color? |
| 12:28.41 | CosmicPenguin | 332 |
| 12:29.00 | sorphin | huh/what/who? |
| 12:30.39 | Russ|werk | should be able to do 230.4k ok |
| 12:31.38 | sorphin | a good cable and flow control are your friend ;) |
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| 12:37.56 | Russ|werk | its like karate kid, xon, xoff |
| 12:38.51 | sorphin | nah |
| 12:38.55 | sorphin | cts/rts all the way :P |
| 12:39.28 | kergoth | xon/xoff? bleh. one bit of noise and you never get the start, and you're hung in an OFC |
| 12:39.39 | sorphin | kergoth: ok mr digi |
| 12:41.59 | sorphin | yay, ARM asm |
| 12:42.10 | kergoth | ARM asm is cool |
| 12:42.15 | kergoth | i love the multiple register load/store |
| 12:42.31 | sorphin | kergoth: i can't even remember 1/2 the damn x86 asm i used to know like the back of my hand :P |
| 12:42.41 | kergoth | me neither |
| 12:42.44 | kergoth | dont miss it much |
| 12:42.44 | kergoth | :) |
| 12:42.54 | sorphin | started learning ppc asm back for the tivo prom stuff |
| 12:44.29 | sorphin | kergoth: so mr digi, where's a good arm asm ref? |
| 12:44.47 | kergoth | the ARM ARM, i'd say |
| 12:44.56 | sorphin | ummm |
| 12:44.59 | sorphin | huh? |
| 12:45.04 | kergoth | (architecture reference manual) |
| 12:45.26 | sorphin | heh |
| 12:45.29 | sorphin | got a link? :P |
| 12:46.54 | kergoth | buy it on amazon, or hop over to arm.com and request their free eval of their dev cd |
| 12:46.58 | kergoth | which has a pdf of the ARM ARM on it |
| 12:47.08 | sorphin | i think i'll do the latter |
| 12:47.11 | sorphin | cheaper ;) |
| 12:47.15 | kergoth | yup |
| 12:47.53 | sorphin | ah lovely, a site w/ much menuage |
| 12:48.57 | sorphin | kergoth: Arm devel suite eval version ? |
| 12:49.07 | kergoth | sorphin: yeah |
| 12:49.09 | sorphin | k |
| 12:49.50 | prpplague | yea i just my cd this week |
| 12:50.00 | sorphin | +got ? |
| 12:50.22 | prpplague | sorphin: ya ya, i tend to leave out important words |
| 12:51.06 | sorphin | i heard your favorite acronym is POS :P |
| 12:51.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: damit |
| 12:52.49 | sorphin | heh |
| 12:52.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i dl'd term, i just got back and i have not 1, not 2, but 8 emails from censoft |
| 12:52.50 | sorphin | 1st class post from the UK |
| 12:52.50 | sorphin | prpplague: ROTFL |
| 12:52.51 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: dammit - I'm sorry |
| 12:52.51 | sorphin | prpplague: time to filter *@*.censoft.com ;) |
| 12:53.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i thought you were kidding about them being agressive |
| 12:53.48 | sorphin | apparently not |
| 12:54.03 | sorphin | prpplague: that's why you give something like a yahoo address :P |
| 12:55.04 | *** join/#tuxscreen monmotha_ (~monmotha@2001:618:424:2:0:0:0:2) |
| 12:58.10 | MonMotha | too bad xchat needs gtk |
| 12:58.14 | MonMotha | otherwise I'd put it on my tux |
| 12:58.28 | sorphin | be a man, use BX |
| 12:58.31 | kergoth | picogui + xchat would work |
| 12:58.34 | kergoth | or irssi-tex |
| 12:58.34 | kergoth | t |
| 12:58.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 12:59.02 | kergoth | in fact, you could run the picogui xchat rootless in X on the tuxscreen |
| 12:59.03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 13:00.39 | sorphin | kergoth: sicko |
| 13:00.57 | MonMotha | hum |
| 13:02.58 | kergoth | MonMotha: http://www.picogui.org/sshotdetail.php?index=94 |
| 13:04.31 | MonMotha | kergoth: how big? |
| 13:04.51 | kergoth | dunno off the top of my head. ask scanline |
| 13:12.43 | CosmicPenguin | there is a console based xcaht |
| 13:12.47 | CosmicPenguin | no GTK needed |
| 13:13.54 | CosmicPenguin | Or you could use nano-GTK |
| 13:13.59 | CosmicPenguin | or DirectFB - GTK |
| 13:15.37 | *** join/#tuxscreen file (router@mctn1-3205.nb.aliant.net) |
| 13:17.08 | scanline | The console-based xchat is rather lame last time I tried it |
| 13:17.20 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 13:17.29 | scanline | IIRC the arm .ipk for xchat picogui was about 150k |
| 13:17.29 | CosmicPenguin | not exactly an unbiased opinion |
| 13:17.41 | kergoth | i like irssi-text myself :) |
| 13:18.09 | CosmicPenguin | file: free Mac with every subscription? |
| 13:18.28 | file | CosmicPenguin: a Quadra! |
| 13:18.43 | sorphin | file: heh, my friend dana in Oz would love that :P |
| 13:18.48 | sorphin | she collects quadras |
| 13:19.10 | file | Quadras are neat |
| 13:19.14 | file | there's 2 in my music class |
| 13:19.20 | sorphin | her webserver is running on one |
| 13:19.40 | *** join/#tuxscreen MonMothaTux (~monmotha@dhcp024-208-196-074.indy.rr.com) |
| 13:19.54 | MonMothaTux | jeesh, that only took 3 tries to get the channel name right |
| 13:20.04 | sorphin | MonMothaTux: luser |
| 13:20.11 | file | lol |
| 13:20.28 | CosmicPenguin | I like the ipv6 address better |
| 13:20.31 | MonMothaTux | is there still the "keyboard dropping characters" problem? |
| 13:20.50 | CosmicPenguin | what? You have a drooping chair problem? |
| 13:20.51 | MonMothaTux | CosmicPenguin: yes, but I don't have IPv6 support on my tux right now |
| 13:20.55 | CosmicPenguin | We don't understand |
| 13:21.01 | sorphin | MonMothaTux: slacker |
| 13:21.15 | MonMothaTux | my pppd doesn't have support, nor does my kernel |
| 13:21.15 | file | mmm is it just me or is Paypal slow today? |
| 13:21.30 | sorphin | file: it's just you |
| 13:21.37 | file | sorphin: mmm probably |
| 13:21.43 | sorphin | it's that 56k dialup link out of canada |
| 13:21.49 | file | haha |
| 13:21.59 | sorphin | someone's grabbing too much pr0n |
| 13:22.00 | file | Bell is actually quite good... |
| 13:22.36 | sorphin | yay |
| 13:22.39 | sorphin | mplayer compiled this time |
| 13:23.28 | file | Spending: $3,000 |
| 13:23.39 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:23.44 | file | who wants to go to the bar? on me! |
| 13:23.45 | sorphin | that's technically not legal |
| 13:23.55 | sorphin | :P |
| 13:24.04 | file | sorphin: and yet I've got it... scary eh? |
| 13:24.22 | file | US people are the only ones supposed to have it... unless your a very active international user |
| 13:24.25 | sorphin | that'd be why i sparingly user paypal |
| 13:24.39 | sorphin | file: it's not just the geography |
| 13:24.42 | sorphin | it's the AGE |
| 13:24.42 | sorphin | :P |
| 13:24.46 | *** part/#tuxscreen collord (~collord@216.210.183.8) |
| 13:24.53 | file | nope |
| 13:24.56 | file | it's a debit card |
| 13:25.07 | sorphin | so? |
| 13:25.18 | sorphin | atleast here in the US |
| 13:25.35 | sorphin | no 15 year old is gonna have their own bank account w/o parental overlording |
| 13:25.36 | sorphin | :P |
| 13:26.18 | file | sorphin: I'm 16 |
| 13:26.24 | sorphin | ok, 16 :P |
| 13:26.26 | sorphin | either or |
| 13:26.28 | file | and Paypal isn't a bank |
| 13:26.34 | sorphin | they think they are |
| 13:26.57 | file | atleast on the User Agreement' |
| 13:28.01 | sorphin | you're just using paypal as a passthrough if it is what i thikn it is |
| 13:28.21 | file | sorphin: it takes 5-7 days before the funds are EFTed into my bank account, and it costs $0.75 I believe |
| 13:28.36 | file | with this it's free wherever I use it... drawn from my Paypal account |
| 13:29.24 | sorphin | nod |
| 13:30.15 | file | if I use the Credit option I get cash back (I think) |
| 13:30.24 | file | it's confusing |
| 13:31.10 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:31.54 | CosmicPenguin | That Sharp SL-C700 is weird looking box |
| 13:32.17 | Russ|werk | can you use c2it.com instead? |
| 13:32.31 | file | Russ|werk: I can't... |
| 13:32.42 | file | I wish - they seem real good |
| 13:32.45 | CosmicPenguin | reminds me of a minature version of the original Compaq portables, for some reason |
| 13:35.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya i was just pestering the sharp guys about getting some here in the states |
| 13:36.59 | MonMotha | I should be able to negotiate a compressed PPP lin |
| 13:37.00 | MonMotha | k |
| 13:43.36 | MonMotha | BSD compression...need to figure out what's up with deflate |
| 13:48.12 | *** join/#tuxscreen Russ|werk (user@wsip68-98-222-194.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 13:50.39 | sorphin | MonMotha: i avoid deflate like the plague (not prpplague) |
| 13:51.49 | MonMotha | sorphin: too slow? |
| 13:52.32 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: eh? |
| 13:53.02 | sorphin | MonMotha: anyways.. the few times i've tried to use deflate (instead of bsd), it wouldn't negotiate/the link had major issues |
| 13:53.37 | MonMotha | sorphin: well then maybe it's for the better that the symbol table in my deflate module is all screwed up :) |
| 13:53.59 | MonMotha | bunches of symbols that should be self contained within ppp_deflate.o (they are on my desktop), but aren't on my tux |
| 13:54.18 | sorphin | sounds bout right :P |
| 13:54.32 | sorphin | just turn on bsd comp and VJ |
| 13:54.38 | MonMotha | yeah, I have |
| 13:55.03 | sorphin | k |
| 13:55.44 | sorphin | MonMotha: remember, it's only async serial ;) |
| 13:55.52 | sorphin | don't expect miracles :P |
| 13:56.32 | MonMotha | yep |
| 13:56.37 | MonMotha | with no flow control for that matter |
| 13:56.41 | sorphin | umm |
| 13:56.45 | MonMotha | I should probably switch serial ports to the onboard and enable it :) |
| 13:56.57 | MonMotha | I'm using my second serial port, which has only TxD and RxD hooked up |
| 13:57.06 | sorphin | you do NOT wanna try above 57.6k w/o flow control |
| 13:57.16 | MonMotha | sorphin: yeah, I've noticed :) |
| 13:57.20 | sorphin | you'll be lucky if it works at all :P |
| 13:57.24 | MonMotha | oh it works |
| 13:57.26 | MonMotha | not too well tho |
| 13:57.27 | sorphin | the tivo's serial port has no flow control |
| 13:57.40 | sorphin | 57.6 is the best you can "reliably" do.. |
| 13:57.52 | sorphin | i've pushed 115.2 before, but i was lucky |
| 13:59.02 | MonMotha | oh I do 115.2 to my ipaq (which has broken flow control and has to be disabled) all the time |
| 13:59.15 | MonMotha | it doesn't work nearly as well as you'd expect tho |
| 13:59.22 | sorphin | yeah |
| 13:59.24 | MonMotha | well, as you'd expect if it had flow control |
| 14:00.50 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:01.20 | MonMotha | ~ as in "my home directory" |
| 14:01.20 | | MonMotha: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 14:01.26 | CosmicPenguin | hehehe |
| 14:01.29 | sorphin | ahh |
| 14:01.30 | CosmicPenguin | thats right ibot, |
| 14:01.37 | sorphin | couldn't see that |
| 14:01.42 | CosmicPenguin | ~ do you like that, huh? |
| 14:01.42 | | CosmicPenguin: bugger all, i dunno |
| 14:02.04 | sorphin | ibot: is cosmicpenguin on crap? |
| 14:02.04 | | sorphin: wish i knew |
| 14:02.20 | sorphin | he's on crack, i know that much |
| 14:02.24 | sorphin | :P |
| 14:02.44 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: and I think I got a bad batch :P |
| 14:03.08 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: then quit using DOS |
| 14:03.18 | CosmicPenguin | hardy, hardy har |
| 14:03.41 | CosmicPenguin | FreeDOS rules! |
| 14:04.30 | sorphin | atleast 90-95% (messy) asm |
| 14:04.43 | CosmicPenguin | int 21 |
| 14:04.45 | CosmicPenguin | int 21 |
| 14:05.17 | CosmicPenguin | is there an echo in here? |
| 14:05.26 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:05.50 | sorphin | but then, that's what i used most in my disk formatter |
| 14:06.32 | *** join/#tuxscreen andersee (~andersen@codepoet.org) |
| 14:06.32 | *** mode/#TuxScreen [+o andersee ] by ChanServ |
| 14:07.00 | kergoth | hey andersee |
| 14:07.15 | andersee | hey kergoth |
| 14:07.36 | sorphin | andersee: allo daemon |
| 14:07.49 | sorphin | or demon as the case may be ;) |
| 14:08.31 | CosmicPenguin | andersee needs the appropriate music to accompany his entrance |
| 14:08.52 | prpplague | mallum: check this |
| 14:08.56 | prpplague | ibot: guinness |
| 14:08.56 | | ibot pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout |
| 14:09.03 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: for me? |
| 14:09.03 | | CosmicPenguin: are you smoking crack? |
| 14:09.18 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: it appears so |
| 14:09.18 | | wish i knew, CosmicPenguin |
| 14:09.43 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: how do you feel about my smoking crack? |
| 14:09.43 | | i haven't a clue, CosmicPenguin |
| 14:09.55 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: why is it that you don't have a clue? |
| 14:09.55 | | CosmicPenguin: what are you talking about? |
| 14:11.05 | MonMotha | the eliza bot is truely amazing considering how simple it is |
| 14:12.09 | sorphin | MonMotha: had many long conversations w/ one have you? |
| 14:12.34 | MonMotha | sorphin: only a couple minutes at best...rather humorous at times, especially when it talks |
| 14:12.40 | CosmicPenguin | just some good language processing - I took a natural language class in college - its pretty standard stuff |
| 14:12.47 | MonMotha | Creative Labs' "Dr. Sbatso" |
| 14:13.24 | MonMotha | oh this was hardly "good" speech synth |
| 14:13.38 | sorphin | the ones in the speak and spell/math/read i picked up are nice, but you can't use the chip outside of it :/ |
| 14:13.38 | MonMotha | but on my 486 DX/50 with an SB16, it was speech synth and that alone was impressive ) |
| 14:13.39 | MonMotha | :) |
| 14:14.07 | MonMotha | why not? too integrated or something? |
| 14:14.08 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: the festival project is promising: http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/ |
| 14:14.13 | MonMotha | oh yes, festival is nice |
| 14:14.28 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yeah, tried that before.. trying to go for hardware if i can tho |
| 14:14.47 | CosmicPenguin | tough - hows your Verilog these days? |
| 14:15.54 | sorphin | heh, i have the tools to work w/ it |
| 14:21.03 | sorphin | i know there are chips out there somewhere.. |
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| 14:44.25 | MonMotha | oh, I guess the keyboard does have a tilde, I just missed it |
| 14:44.30 | MonMotha | down by the rt hand ctrl |
| 14:44.57 | prpplague | i wonder what processor this puppy has - http://www.asante.com/products/adapters/vp1100/index.html |
| 14:45.48 | MonMotha | prpplague: why, I'm sure the answer to that question is in the first level tech support monkey's script! why not call them up? :) |
| 14:46.16 | CosmicPenguin | Probably a i910 |
| 14:46.40 | CosmicPenguin | Dollars to donuts I'll bet its mmuless |
| 14:46.51 | MonMotha | uClinux? :) |
| 14:47.50 | CosmicPenguin | Except for Cisco, which needs the processing power for their needlessly bloated operating system, most network devices choose those low power MMU less jems |
| 14:50.01 | file | I think one of Bell's hops are faulty |
| 14:50.10 | file | I can't seem to access Microsoft or Paypal |
| 14:53.49 | MonMotha | correct me if I'm wrong, but POTS voice doesn't terminate to a DSLAM, right? |
| 14:54.36 | CosmicPenguin | only if your SLOBY isn't routed over the DARTA |
| 14:54.49 | MonMotha | wtf? |
| 14:55.15 | CosmicPenguin | I like SLOBY - now to find something to match it to |
| 14:55.20 | prpplague | MonMotha: only if they some sort of digital transmission method on the last mile loop |
| 14:55.31 | prpplague | s/they/they have |
| 14:56.56 | MonMotha | prpplague: which would imply that it's not POTS :) |
| 14:57.06 | MonMotha | as POTS is good ol' analog voice |
| 14:57.16 | MonMotha | hence "Plain Old Telephone System" |
| 14:57.54 | prpplague | MonMotha: if you have adsl running on the same POTS line you might be connected to a DSLAM |
| 14:58.27 | MonMotha | prpplague: but then you wouldn't be runnign a tradidional POTS modem on it, at least not at DSL speeds |
| 14:59.06 | MonMotha | the POTS infrastructure terminates to a different device (some special name for a switch) and usually gets digitized right then to the standard 64kbit voice channel to be sent over ISDN or some other digital medium owned by the telco, right? |
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| 15:00.39 | MonMotha | basically some idiot is claiming that he has a couple POTS modems linked up at 115.2kbps over standard analog phone infrastructure |
| 15:00.48 | prpplague | MonMotha: yes that is correct for isdn and T series, however for dsl, you are using two seperate signals over the same line |
| 15:01.11 | prpplague | MonMotha: multi-ppp is possible |
| 15:01.17 | file | shotgun? |
| 15:01.19 | prpplague | MonMotha: if you are using 2 pots |
| 15:01.43 | MonMotha | prpplague: he certainly implied a single carrier |
| 15:01.51 | MonMotha | as in one modem on each end |
| 15:02.00 | prpplague | MonMotha: ohh |
| 15:02.23 | MonMotha | prpplague: basically he's trying to say that because he is close to the DSLAM, he can run 115.2kbps analog carriers over his POTS line |
| 15:02.26 | prpplague | MonMotha: i would agree with you, highly improbable |
| 15:02.30 | MonMotha | I don't even think he has DSL service installed |
| 15:02.44 | MonMotha | prpplague: some theorem (forget the name) states that it's impossible due to the 64kbit ISDN voice channel IIRC |
| 15:03.36 | prpplague | MonMotha: actually most phone companies have filters on the analog lines to prevent bandwidth above 52k |
| 15:03.57 | MonMotha | prpplague: I used to routinely get 53333 carriers as reported by my x2 USR |
| 15:04.06 | MonMotha | but never above, and sometimes it would drop to 52000 |
| 15:04.13 | MonMotha | I know the full 56k isn't possible |
| 15:04.46 | MonMotha | heh, then there was the time I thought the carrier detect sounded wrong |
| 15:04.59 | prpplague | MonMotha: actually it is possible, but due to an old federal communcations law, data transmissions at 56k or high fall into another bracket |
| 15:05.09 | prpplague | MonMotha: and are regulated differently |
| 15:05.17 | MonMotha | was a "whoo whoo whoo" sound rather than the tradidional "stream of static" |
| 15:05.19 | MonMotha | prpplague: ah |
| 15:05.32 | prpplague | MonMotha: thats why most telco's have the filters |
| 15:05.44 | MonMotha | that time I wondered why it was SOOOO SLLLLLOOOOOOWWWW, didn't even get authenticated |
| 15:05.51 | MonMotha | went and checked the logs..."CONNECT 300" |
| 15:05.58 | MonMotha | don't ask why :) |
| 15:06.31 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: both my DSL modems use motorola chips |
| 15:06.46 | file | MonMotha: wow... |
| 15:06.54 | prpplague | MonMotha: another example of where the law hasn't kept pace with the technology |
| 15:07.11 | MonMotha | file: oddest thing too...dialed back up and got a 53333 like usual. Must have hit some obsolete piece of equipment or something |
| 15:07.22 | MonMotha | prpplague: yes, a very rare event indeed |
| 15:07.29 | MonMotha | </dripping sarcasm> |
| 15:07.37 | file | MonMotha: probably |
| 15:07.46 | file | I had that happen once... |
| 15:07.50 | prpplague | MonMotha: we have several installations using a pair of dsl routers on a dry pair of telco wires and running at 1mb |
| 15:07.55 | sorphin | prpplague: ya know |
| 15:08.04 | MonMotha | prpplague: yeah, dry pair you don't have the analog problems and such |
| 15:08.13 | MonMotha | since you can run whatever the hell you want over it |
| 15:08.31 | sorphin | i have yet to be able to find a way to get my lantronix printserver open |
| 15:08.31 | MonMotha | I should get one of those to the local ISP and run T carrier over it or something |
| 15:08.40 | MonMotha | sorphin: hammers usually work |
| 15:08.41 | prpplague | MonMotha: problem is convincing the telco to give you a dry pair |
| 15:08.50 | file | hehe |
| 15:08.52 | sorphin | MonMotha: um.. i NEED this thing afterwards tho :P |
| 15:08.56 | MonMotha | prpplague: apparently they'll still sell you an "alarm circuit" |
| 15:09.00 | sorphin | prpplague: say it's for an alarm |
| 15:09.02 | MonMotha | sorphin: oh, you didn't specify any limitations |
| 15:09.39 | prpplague | cool thanks, i didn't know that |
| 15:09.45 | sorphin | yup |
| 15:10.04 | sorphin | prpplague: that printserver atleast isn't a bubble chip, i can tell you that ;) |
| 15:10.06 | MonMotha | I've heard of people running ethernet over them, or 155 ATM |
| 15:10.17 | MonMotha | short distances obviously :) |
| 15:11.05 | prpplague | sorphin: what chip? |
| 15:11.10 | MonMotha | I wonder how much they charge to get some dark fiber for a block or two |
| 15:11.19 | MonMotha | probably a lot more than an "alarm circuit" :) |
| 15:11.20 | file | curses... what would my ISP put the root password on my ADSL Modem as... |
| 15:11.28 | MonMotha | file: 1234 |
| 15:11.35 | file | MonMotha: doubt it... |
| 15:11.35 | MonMotha | honestly, try the default for the modem |
| 15:11.39 | file | I did |
| 15:11.45 | file | the default is root |
| 15:11.51 | MonMotha | oh, then you'll have to call them up and curse at them until they give it to you |
| 15:11.54 | file | hehe |
| 15:11.56 | prpplague | sorphin: i just ordered one of these - http://www.asante.com/products/adapters/vp1100/index.html |
| 15:12.00 | file | I've got read-only access which is neat |
| 15:12.03 | MonMotha | or pop the cover off and read it out of flash by hand |
| 15:12.12 | MonMotha | file: what kind of "modem"? |
| 15:12.21 | file | MonMotha: Comtrend CT-300 |
| 15:12.31 | MonMotha | heh, if it's got an ARM in it you could always attempt to read it via JTAG :) |
| 15:12.34 | sorphin | prpplague: that's what i was talking about, yours is prolly like my lantronix, not a bubble |
| 15:12.44 | file | DS Simplex: 1408Kbps |
| 15:12.48 | MonMotha | though it's quite possibly not got any flash, just stores the pw and such in NV SRAM |
| 15:12.52 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:12.57 | file | MonMotha: no it's flash |
| 15:13.00 | sorphin | both my dsl modems run shite for sw |
| 15:13.13 | file | it's got telnet/web access... can flash a new image onto it |
| 15:13.23 | sorphin | the bigger (efficient 5861) uses a unixy OS |
| 15:13.29 | sorphin | the current one uses VxWorks |
| 15:13.32 | prpplague | sorphin: so is my cable modem(which is an arm720) |
| 15:14.00 | MonMotha | the OS they run on linksys "Broadband Routers" is really crummy |
| 15:14.02 | file | oh here's the CPU |
| 15:14.08 | file | Motorola MPC 850 SAR |
| 15:14.23 | sorphin | sounds bout right |
| 15:14.25 | file | ram is 4MB, flash is 1MB |
| 15:14.32 | MonMotha | wow, 1MB of flash |
| 15:14.33 | prpplague | MonMotha: ya awfull, i hate the fact that their html is so inconsistent |
| 15:14.42 | sorphin | file: heh |
| 15:14.45 | MonMotha | more than I'd have expected |
| 15:14.46 | sorphin | 1st link on google |
| 15:14.51 | prpplague | MonMotha: they have a mix of of html 1 3 and 4 |
| 15:14.56 | sorphin | file: FirstKid - CT500 ADSL Router Menu |
| 15:14.56 | MonMotha | prpplague: ouch... |
| 15:15.07 | MonMotha | not to mention that they can't even do semi-flexible NAT |
| 15:15.08 | prpplague | MonMotha: totally unsuable for lynx |
| 15:15.08 | file | sorphin: CT-500 is the bigger brother |
| 15:15.16 | MonMotha | can't forward arbitrary IP protocols |
| 15:15.18 | file | it's got NAT in it |
| 15:15.31 | file | but yeah - what you see on that page is what I get |
| 15:16.08 | kergoth | prpplague: hmm i wonder if ben is going to be able to put enough heat on engineering to get your requests implemented |
| 15:16.12 | kergoth | prpplague: just spoke with him |
| 15:16.48 | prpplague | kergoth: which ones? the epca stuff or the printserver? |
| 15:17.12 | prpplague | kergoth: did he think we were a bunch of hicks? lol |
| 15:17.12 | kergoth | prpplague: he mentioned them both, i'm curious as to what he'll get done on either |
| 15:17.17 | file | I demand root access! |
| 15:17.20 | kergoth | prpplague: hah, no |
| 15:17.21 | sorphin | HA |
| 15:17.26 | file | I thought my ISP would be dumb enough to not change the root password |
| 15:17.43 | MonMotha | what I don't get is why ISPs don't let you on your access device |
| 15:17.46 | sorphin | file: j0 R n0t 133+ enuff |
| 15:17.54 | MonMotha | on cable modems I can kinda understand (since the caps are done client side), but on DSL who cares |
| 15:17.56 | file | I can't even use the ping test utility! |
| 15:17.59 | MonMotha | if you screw it up it's your fault |
| 15:18.05 | sorphin | MonMotha: on cablemodem, you don't need access |
| 15:18.07 | MonMotha | file: I can't even VIEW settignso n my cable modem |
| 15:18.09 | prpplague | kergoth: ya well, i'd really like to see digi do something on a flexible server device |
| 15:18.15 | MonMotha | let alone run the self tests or anythign |
| 15:18.17 | file | MonMotha: you can modify the ratio... |
| 15:18.18 | sorphin | MonMotha: you just set up a locla tftp server |
| 15:18.22 | file | MonMotha: I could give myself more upstream |
| 15:18.24 | MonMotha | though I can retreive them via SNMP |
| 15:18.29 | sorphin | and let it grab a docsis cfg file |
| 15:18.39 | sorphin | file: ummm |
| 15:18.40 | MonMotha | file: That's kinda frowned upon here (like, they "ban you for life" :) |
| 15:18.41 | sorphin | not on dsl you can't |
| 15:18.50 | file | sorphin: somebody told me I oculd |
| 15:18.51 | file | er could |
| 15:18.56 | sorphin | file: on cable, yes |
| 15:18.57 | sorphin | on DSL, no |
| 15:19.06 | MonMotha | sorphin: some ADSL lines run at a faster physical link speed than the caps are set to |
| 15:19.06 | file | anywho - it's just fun to poke around |
| 15:19.06 | sorphin | DSL is controled AT the dslam |
| 15:19.16 | MonMotha | and the cap it client side...why I don't know |
| 15:19.21 | sorphin | MonMotha: well, i'm not capped, so.. |
| 15:19.25 | CosmicPenguin | wow - you guys had a lot to say |
| 15:19.40 | MonMotha | a client I just set up runs at 1536/768 |
| 15:19.43 | MonMotha | quite a nice line |
| 15:19.47 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: thought you ran away from management |
| 15:19.53 | MonMotha | file: same speeds as my cable modem |
| 15:20.05 | file | MonMotha: it's about .4 faster than the cable here |
| 15:20.07 | sorphin | MonMotha: i can switch at get 6M down :P |
| 15:20.07 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: what gave you that idea? |
| 15:20.15 | file | and Rogers claimed "well - we're 10 times faster than ADSL!" |
| 15:20.16 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: being around you enough ;) |
| 15:20.43 | MonMotha | sorphin: they were doign some tests one time and they uncapped everybody (of course, I was basically the only person on the subnet at the time) |
| 15:20.44 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: As long as we don't spam anyone I'll be fine.... oh, wait. |
| 15:20.49 | MonMotha | I got 7MB/sec down :) |
| 15:20.53 | sorphin | prpplague: now i expect a full report on that printserver ;) |
| 15:20.54 | MonMotha | yes, that's a capital M |
| 15:20.57 | MonMotha | er capital B |
| 15:21.02 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you spammed prpplague ;) |
| 15:21.02 | file | MonMotha: LOL |
| 15:21.03 | prpplague | sorphin: lol |
| 15:21.11 | MonMotha | VERY fast |
| 15:21.21 | sorphin | MonMotha: that's nice |
| 15:21.27 | sorphin | except, as i said, i'm not capped |
| 15:21.29 | file | I'm not even near my telco... I'm in another town across a river |
| 15:21.43 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: that was kinda the point of my comment |
| 15:21.49 | sorphin | i'm connected to a remote dslam, and then i ride an OC3 back to bell |
| 15:22.08 | CosmicPenguin | I ride the train |
| 15:22.08 | kergoth | man, i misread that |
| 15:22.09 | file | prpplague: PSST, go claim the insurance on the TCSX-1 |
| 15:22.14 | kergoth | and though you said you ride a OC3 back to hell |
| 15:22.16 | kergoth | and i though, wow. |
| 15:22.17 | kergoth | lol |
| 15:22.23 | sorphin | kergoth: close enough |
| 15:22.34 | prpplague | file: can't its be confiscated by ca customs |
| 15:22.57 | sorphin | so argue w/ customs |
| 15:23.01 | sorphin | it's not a bomb or anything |
| 15:23.06 | sorphin | or is it? |
| 15:23.41 | prpplague | apparently we don't have a ca equivilant of a fcc rating on the box so they won't let it through |
| 15:23.49 | sorphin | ha |
| 15:23.52 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:24.04 | sorphin | even cheapy modems have that |
| 15:24.11 | file | prpplague: what about the hub? |
| 15:24.41 | sorphin | prpplague: i've yet to have customs actually EXAMINE something i've sent/been sent |
| 15:24.49 | sorphin | they usually believe the declaration |
| 15:24.50 | file | sorphin: same for me |
| 15:24.55 | sorphin | file: till now |
| 15:25.13 | file | eh - was 'bound to happen |
| 15:25.27 | MonMotha | most of my devices bear both the FCC certification as well as the candaian declaration too |
| 15:25.44 | sorphin | MonMotha: but you don't have a TCSX-1 ;) |
| 15:25.49 | CosmicPenguin | "This will like, interfere with your phone, eh" |
| 15:25.57 | file | lol |
| 15:26.00 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: cute |
| 15:26.03 | MonMotha | what is a TCSX-1? |
| 15:26.09 | file | ibot: TCSX-1? |
| 15:26.09 | | i heard tcsx-1 is http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8485254374.html |
| 15:26.16 | sorphin | a lil embedded thing prpplague made |
| 15:27.08 | MonMotha | hum, neat |
| 15:27.28 | file | prpplague: you don't even get the bloody thing back? |
| 15:27.34 | MonMotha | heh, saw "Advantage" and thought I knew the guy |
| 15:27.47 | sorphin | file: i think you owe prpplague $425 US :P |
| 15:27.57 | MonMotha | there's a small assembly/design place around here called "Advantage Electronics" |
| 15:27.59 | file | Do you accept Paypal? *G* |
| 15:28.59 | Russ|werk | what was that board house that makes the really cheap 1 layer boards |
| 15:29.08 | sorphin | i forgot |
| 15:29.20 | MonMotha | I haven't talked with this guy about board making; probably should tho |
| 15:32.45 | prpplague | Russ|werk: doesn't your az board place do cheap 1 layers |
| 15:33.15 | Russ|werk | they don't actually make bare pcb's |
| 15:33.23 | Russ|werk | there was some overseas company, lemme see |
| 15:34.34 | Russ|werk | they had a bunch of restrictions, like no routing, limited drill set, large tolerances |
| 15:36.11 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya i order some from someone a few months back, their info is at the host |
| 15:37.16 | MonMotha | I'll call up this guy some time and ask him if he does board fab work, I don't know that he would |
| 15:38.07 | Russ|werk | it was in some african country |
| 15:38.17 | Russ|werk | it was like $25 for a single panel |
| 15:53.18 | CosmicPenguin | Ask Slashdot: What's Keeping You On Windows? -- overwhelming answer - games |
| 15:54.07 | Russ|werk | heh |
| 15:54.18 | Russ|werk | who actually posted that story |
| 15:55.47 | CosmicPenguin | And photoshop |
| 15:57.48 | prpplague | i can not understand why manufacturers of print servers do not want to be linux compatible on the configuration |
| 15:58.07 | Russ|werk | cups print servers would rule |
| 15:58.15 | kergoth | prpplague: cheap bastards who dont want to spend developer time on it? |
| 15:58.18 | kergoth | Russ|werk: yes, they would |
| 15:58.20 | signal11 | only if they didn't use CUPS |
| 15:58.24 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:58.34 | CosmicPenguin | cheap bastards who know that Windows users outpace others 20-1 |
| 15:58.47 | MonMotha | no wonder the tux has so much trouble handling 230.4kbps |
| 15:58.49 | prpplague | kergoth: naw, i just got off the phone with another company |
| 15:58.55 | MonMotha | MAX202 is only rated for 120kbps |
| 15:59.09 | Russ|werk | oh, the actual transceiver... |
| 15:59.13 | prpplague | kergoth: we offered to do the job for _free_ and they still didn't want to do it |
| 15:59.16 | kergoth | prpplague: ack |
| 15:59.18 | MonMotha | yeah, the line driver can't handle that high bitrate |
| 15:59.42 | file | Russ: nooooooooooooooo |
| 15:59.43 | CosmicPenguin | hmm.... |
| 16:00.04 | CosmicPenguin | better than ruse.cx, I guess |
| 16:00.12 | MonMotha | that's the home of the dreaded slashdot troll victimizer! |
| 16:00.13 | Russ|werk | heh |
| 16:00.48 | CosmicPenguin | I wonder how many *.cx domains there really are |
| 16:01.03 | Russ|werk | only problem is that .cx isn't cheap, everyone else is squating the othe russ.* domain names though |
| 16:01.19 | prpplague | <rep> "we just don't get any ppl complaining about it being hard to use with unix" </rep? |
| 16:02.07 | Russ|werk | smartctl -a /dev/hdc: 'Number of Hours in Drive Life: 4 (life of the drive in hours)' |
| 16:02.10 | Russ|werk | do you suppose thats bad? |
| 16:02.12 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: probably the makers of Beanie Babies, huh? |
| 16:04.56 | Russ|werk | file so why "nooooooooooooooo"? |
| 16:05.06 | file | Russ|werk: I dunno |
| 16:19.29 | CosmicPenguin | When prpplague goes, he goes |
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| 16:38.04 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: random website |
| 16:38.39 | CosmicPenguin | Google definately needs a "random" option |
| 16:44.40 | kergoth | thatd be cool |
| 16:45.25 | CosmicPenguin | a big ol fat "I'm bored off my ass, so show me something cool" button |
| 16:45.46 | kergoth | thatd be great, when you're sitting at google trying to think of something worth search for |
| 16:45.49 | kergoth | and failing |
| 16:46.38 | CosmicPenguin | Yahoo used to have a "dice" function |
| 16:47.24 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: So what's their "I'm feeling lucky" button for then? |
| 16:47.51 | kergoth | andersee: takes you to the first search result |
| 16:47.53 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: it goes to the first link |
| 16:48.23 | andersee | Oh. Guess I'd always assumed it was 'take to some random link'. Guess I havn't felt lucky for a long time. :) |
| 16:48.26 | CosmicPenguin | ie, "uclibc" and press I'm feeling lucky goes straight to http://www.uclibc.org/ |
| 16:48.27 | Russ|werk | http://www.gnome.or.kr |
| 16:48.33 | Russ|werk | attempt to decifer the screenshots |
| 16:49.19 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: like this one: http://gnome.hellocity.net/gallery/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName=coolimages&id=adr |
| 16:49.42 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a big freaking scorpion |
| 16:49.59 | Russ|werk | yup, I live with scorpians |
| 16:50.36 | Russ|werk | http://gnome.hellocity.net/albums/coolimages/adm.sized.jpg < wonder what that one is about |
| 16:50.37 | MonMotha | wow that's big |
| 16:51.18 | CosmicPenguin | does the fish handle korean? |
| 16:51.26 | Russ|werk | ya |
| 16:51.49 | Russ|werk | has some world keyboard |
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| 16:52.50 | Russ|werk | hmm...the world keyboard doesn't support korean |
| 16:53.51 | CosmicPenguin | Prolly because they have a couple hundred charaters all on their own |
| 16:53.55 | Russ|werk | no, there is a hangul (korean) keyboard mapping for gnome2 |
| 16:53.56 | Russ|werk | I'll use that and copy paste |
| 16:54.47 | Russ|werk | http://www.hayama.net/~kenhrd/1999snaps/0219Seoul/dcp00767.jpg |
| 16:56.40 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: give me three random words from the dictionary |
| 16:56.40 | | CosmicPenguin: are you smoking crack? |
| 16:56.58 | CosmicPenguin | no, thats four, and I don't want to know what kind of links pop up with "smoking crack" |
| 16:57.00 | CosmicPenguin | But thanks |
| 16:57.22 | Russ|werk | ~crackhead |
| 16:57.22 | | bugger all, i dunno, Russ|werk |
| 16:57.41 | andersee | ibot: insult ibot |
| 16:57.44 | Russ|werk | ibot: ㅇㅏ앙ㅓ |
| 16:57.44 | | bugger all, i dunno, Russ|werk |
| 17:01.34 | CosmicPenguin | it must be time to go home |
| 17:01.36 | CosmicPenguin | or something |
| 17:03.11 | MonMotha | anyone use wi-fi cards in the tux? |
| 17:07.12 | Russ|werk | hmmm...the fish doesn't do very good on most of this stuff " Anger quality the stinking thing takes with the web cam and. The scanner petty it borrows. " |
| 17:10.19 | Russ|werk | ' With from Deyo where the force comes not to feel . |#a4cc{. Picture exorcism! ' |
| 17:14.10 | Russ|werk | ' The background which is a green onion petty is nasty.. The person sees most and the color which is strenuous saw the green onion lang as from this where, tus it does.. |
| 18:30.30 | fontenot | MonMotha: I thought some ppl were doing it - I know I am planning to... |
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| 19:35.05 | MonMotha | hum, does anyone else have the problem with a kernel panic the first time the system is cold booted? or should I backtrace this? |
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