| 00:00.56 | UtahViper | that worked |
| 00:01.12 | Zelut | w00t |
| 00:01.36 | UtahViper | cool, thanx |
| 00:01.49 | Heartsbane | Zelut: what made you select libstdc++5 over libstdc++6? |
| 00:02.12 | Zelut | Heartsbane: his error referred to libstdc++.so.5 |
| 00:02.20 | Heartsbane | D'oh |
| 00:02.21 | UtahViper | Heartsbane: the error had it listed |
| 00:02.32 | Heartsbane | Just saw that |
| 00:02.59 | Zelut | the devil is in the details |
| 00:03.02 | UtahViper | Ok... im gonna play for a bit... laterz all |
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| 01:05.36 | herlo | UtahViper: how was the game play? |
| 01:05.53 | UtahViper | good, watching the debate on CNN now |
| 01:06.14 | herlo | the Republican Debate? |
| 01:06.21 | Zelut | training on bug work with launchpad in #ubuntu-us right now guys, I'm leading. |
| 01:06.26 | UtahViper | yep |
| 01:07.27 | herlo | UtahViper: who's winning? |
| 01:07.33 | UtahViper | Just starting now |
| 01:07.43 | herlo | UtahViper: ahh. |
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| 01:40.40 | Zelut | anyone interested in bug work in ubuntu we're in the second half of a training meeting in #ubuntu-us |
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| 03:22.02 | Zelut | synic: ping - vim question |
| 03:40.27 | undertakingyou | Yorokobi_: ping |
| 03:40.32 | Yorokobi_ | undertakingyou, pong |
| 03:40.48 | undertakingyou | missed you at squatters |
| 03:42.13 | Yorokobi_ | yeah, traffic on I-15 (both directions) was insane. I didn't make it back into SLC until 7-ish, figured it was too late. |
| 03:42.31 | undertakingyou | we just left. Ran out of power. |
| 03:42.36 | Yorokobi_ | heh |
| 03:42.58 | undertakingyou | We're now at my work |
| 03:43.18 | Yorokobi_ | Heartsbane didn't leave too inebriated I hope. :) |
| 03:43.49 | undertakingyou | No, and I drove |
| 03:44.21 | Yorokobi_ | undertakingyou, set him in a coffin and let him sleep it off. bwa-hahaha |
| 03:45.05 | undertakingyou | :) I think he would rip my arms off. |
| 03:51.05 | Yorokobi_ | That would certainly make it difficult to type. |
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| 03:55.25 | herlo | Zelut: sorry man, had to run and eat |
| 03:55.31 | undertakingyou | Yorokobi_: yes, yes it would |
| 04:49.15 | Zelut | ok, who knows how to use bzr? |
| 04:49.58 | Zelut | I have, locally, ~/folding-0.5.2.1 and I want to commit that folder to main on launchpad. The previous version I committed there was 0.4.1, and I forget how.. |
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| 05:08.57 | herlo | Zelut: bzr merge probably |
| 05:09.12 | herlo | bzr mirror |
| 05:10.46 | Zelut | http://pastebin.com/d4a3728bf - now I have conflicts. |
| 05:12.22 | herlo | Zelut: did you update first? |
| 05:12.30 | herlo | bzr update; bzr mirror |
| 05:12.52 | Zelut | local version is 0.5.2.1. current version on launchpad is 0.4.1. |
| 05:13.07 | herlo | ahh |
| 05:13.09 | Zelut | if I update wont it pull down the remote old changes and I lose my local? |
| 05:13.25 | herlo | Zelut: nope, shouldn't have a problem, your changes will stay the same |
| 05:13.33 | herlo | make a copy just in case, but you should be goo |
| 05:13.34 | herlo | d |
| 05:13.55 | herlo | so confusing |
| 05:14.11 | herlo | baz isn't much better, but hg and git are at least a bit understandable... |
| 05:14.56 | Zelut | this doesn't look good.. http://pastebin.com/d75146d4c |
| 05:15.57 | herlo | Zelut: yeah, doesn't look good |
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| 05:16.51 | Zelut | kkubasik_ do you know bzr ? |
| 05:28.33 | Zelut | I think maybe I got it... maybe |
| 05:43.14 | Heartsbane | Yorokobi: ya me being the great big drunk that I am |
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| 07:25.39 | kkubasik_ | ZelutL live and love it |
| 08:14.44 | thenetduck | installing gentoo isn't as hard as you guys said.. just takes a while |
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| 15:24.37 | Yorokobi | Heartsbane, that's the joke. |
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| 16:56.32 | sontek | Zelut: did you get the suse stuff working? |
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| 17:00.29 | Zelut | sontek: nope. Just updated the script to say "UNSUPPORTED"... |
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| 17:14.11 | Zelut | sontek: the versions we use don't have zypper and rug/yast won't do what I need. |
| 17:19.29 | sontek | Zelut: and you aren't allowed to upgrade to sp1? |
| 17:19.59 | Zelut | sontek: don't think so.. at least our current setup and courseware does not use it so it might introduce other issues. |
| 17:22.33 | sontek | Zelut: and why didn't yast -i work? |
| 17:24.01 | Zelut | sontek: because it says that repo-something.xml is not signed, can't verify it. do you want to continue. |
| 17:24.07 | Zelut | that screws up a script |
| 17:26.52 | mheath | How is it that a bug reported, with 4 people replying to confirm, can sit for months without anyone changing the importance or assigning it to anyone? |
| 17:28.28 | mheath | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/152187 |
| 17:30.37 | mheath | It's received so little attention that it's obsolete; people are confirming it for newer kernel versions |
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| 17:33.32 | Zelut | sounds like we need more people working on bugs vs simply complaining about them. |
| 17:33.44 | Zelut | mheath: you should have attended the US Teams bug training mon & wed |
| 17:34.08 | mheath | Heh, I go to school in the morning, and work at night. |
| 17:34.44 | mheath | Zelut: How is this stuff maintained? I fixed it on my own system, with a custom kernel. I could submit a patch. I thought it was traditional, however, for a maintainer to flag something as 'we care about this' first. |
| 17:36.44 | mheath | Zelut: and regardless, though I _am_ willing to help, I hate that mentality |
| 17:37.00 | mheath | That "don't complain about bugs unless your willing to do all the work to fix them" mentality leads to bad software. |
| 17:40.36 | Zelut | I'm not saying that is the mentality, just commenting on how we do have a real need for more contributors in the bug system. |
| 17:40.43 | Zelut | if you have a patch, submit it on that bug. its ok |
| 17:41.44 | Zelut | also helps to set the bug status to confirmed, which I've done. |
| 17:50.31 | sontek | I see it the same as voting |
| 17:50.39 | sontek | if you didn't vote you can't bitch! |
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| 18:04.32 | mheath | Zelut: I guess I'm confused about the way those bugs are maintained. |
| 18:04.42 | mheath | Zelut: Is it OK for the 'normal' person to mark it as confirmed then? |
| 18:04.55 | Zelut | mheath: yes. we had a discussion about it in our community bug training last nite. |
| 18:04.56 | mheath | I'm used to bug tracking where it was one or two specific maintainers jobs to do that. |
| 18:05.03 | Zelut | mheath: if you have the same bug someone else does, confirm it. |
| 18:05.08 | mheath | Ah. Hmm. |
| 18:05.45 | Zelut | mheath: things you can help do to push the bug process forward. confirm them (or change status from New) and also make sure the appropriate package is assigned. both things anyone can participate in. |
| 18:06.59 | mheath | Hey, anyone here particularly good at web development that can provide some quick advice on something? |
| 18:07.06 | mheath | Zelut: Ah, I'll keep that in mind. Thanks! |
| 18:11.49 | mheath | I'm looking for the best way to replace the "Calendar" and "Uniform of the Day" with something non-table on this site: http://www.utahseacadets.org/pom/pom_current.html |
| 18:11.57 | mheath | But still have it render nicely / similarly |
| 18:12.16 | herlo | mheath: do fortune |
| 18:12.34 | clutchmm | Zelut: what can I do to speed up this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/162336 |
| 18:13.10 | mheath | herlo: Uh? |
| 18:13.52 | Zelut | clutchmm: probably try to find the package that is responsible and get it assigned to something more specific than "Ubuntu" |
| 18:14.33 | Zelut | clutchmm: it might be worth dropping into #ubuntu-bugs and share the bug link for advice on cleanup |
| 18:14.47 | herlo | mheath: fortune is a little bash script that will let tell you a fortune |
| 18:15.05 | herlo | mheath: there are php variants that you can use |
| 18:15.20 | clutchmm | Zelut: how do I find out what package is screwing up? it happened after a clean install of gutsy |
| 18:15.45 | clutchmm | since then I have installed 3 other sound drivers and nothing changed |
| 18:15.49 | mheath | herlo: I know what fortune is, I fail to see how its relevant, or if your joking how it is funny :P |
| 18:17.54 | herlo | mheath: you wanted something to replace your uniform of the day, thought fortune would be perfect, and no, its not a joke |
| 18:18.07 | Zelut | clutchmm: maybe something in here will help you find it? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage |
| 18:22.00 | clutchmm | Zelut: I am in the bugs channel and when I entered to link I got :(11:18:10 AM) ubotu: Launchpad bug 162336 in ubuntu "system sounds not working" [Undecided,New] |
| 18:25.16 | Zelut | their bot does grab bug links like that. did it not post to the channel? |
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| 18:27.24 | clutchmm | Zelut: it did, and someone just said "hmmm?" |
| 18:28.39 | Zelut | clutchmm: working with someone in there to find the right package will go a long way |
| 18:28.47 | Zelut | also, if you can expound the summary any more that'll help too |
| 18:30.29 | clutchmm | Zelut: no one is talking in there, I am going over the address you sent me trying to get it right |
| 18:31.04 | Zelut | its not always an exact science, and it sounds like your bug isn't clear on where exactly the problem is |
| 18:31.07 | Zelut | makes it tricky |
| 18:36.10 | clutchmm | Zelut: I did "lsmod | grep snd" and got http://www.pastebin.ca/801918 |
| 18:36.45 | Zelut | hmm |
| 18:37.05 | clutchmm | do I have more than 1 audio device? |
| 18:39.20 | clutchmm | the debugging sound site says to blacklist the extras, but I'm not sure what is a card and what is something else |
| 18:42.49 | kkubasik | Zelut, you good on bzr or still need a hand? |
| 18:43.56 | Zelut | kkubasik: I figured it out |
| 18:44.07 | kkubasik | sweet |
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| 18:55.15 | clutchmm | sweet, I just found a piece of paper that has my sound card information on it |
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| 19:10.20 | Gate | Yay! new laptop has arrived! |
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| 19:26.09 | maquis | Gate: what kind? |
| 19:33.09 | clutchmm | Zelut: is this better? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/172890 |
| 19:34.13 | Zelut | clutchmm: maybe remove program sounds work, problem started after clean gutsy install from feisty, in the title and I think it looks much better |
| 19:36.42 | clutchmm | how do I change that? |
| 19:41.19 | Gate | maquis: Macbook |
| 19:41.54 | Zelut | Gate: MacBook ftw! https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook |
| 19:42.02 | Gate | my only problems so far: the bloody delete key won't do backspace in irssi and there is no page up. |
| 19:42.16 | Gate | Zelut: thanks! I was going to go looking for that tonight |
| 19:42.16 | Zelut | clutchmm: uhm, on the left sidebar I think you can change the summary/description |
| 19:44.28 | Zelut | Gate: I did a butt-load of bugs between 7.04 and 7.10 and pretty much everything works as expected with the MacBook now |
| 19:44.28 | Gate | awesome |
| 19:44.28 | Zelut | Gate: only thing you'll need is to compile wireless and add the Apple driver for the iSight |
| 19:44.28 | Gate | I am sooo looking forward. I still haven't decided how to partition it yet |
| 19:44.28 | Gate | so i am on OSX right now |
| 19:44.38 | Zelut | Gate: I use the alternate installer, encrypted LVM and dump OSX |
| 19:44.51 | Zelut | Gate: but you'll want to get all the firmware updates via OSX before you start the ubuntu stuff |
| 19:44.58 | Gate | I need to keep OSX around |
| 19:45.05 | Gate | OK |
| 19:45.41 | Gate | one of the major arguments for getting this laptop was so I would have access to OSX |
| 19:46.55 | Zelut | OSX lost its shiny appeal for me in about 2 weeks |
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| 19:47.18 | Gate | OSX's shinyness is one of the reasons I have never really used it. |
| 19:47.30 | Zelut | Gate: good thing you have Leopard because that is the only access to BootCamp anymore |
| 19:48.39 | Gate | Zelut: and I *really* want to play around with encrypted partitions. |
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| 19:49.51 | Gate | well, I have to depart to class. I may ping you later for info/advice Zelut. Thanks! |
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| 20:01.00 | maquis | Gate: cool |
| 20:04.33 | herlo | again... |
| 20:05.03 | herlo | is there an easy way to get it to boot from a usb device? |
| 20:05.48 | UtahViper | herlo: morning |
| 20:06.09 | herlo | UtahViper: hey! |
| 20:06.11 | Zelut | herlo: boot long term, or boot the installer? |
| 20:06.13 | herlo | btw, its afternoon... |
| 20:06.17 | herlo | Zelut: installer |
| 20:07.21 | Zelut | herlo: zcat boot.img > /dev/usb-device out to make a usb network installer.. |
| 20:07.29 | herlo | Zelut: k, tx |
| 20:09.53 | herlo | Zelut: can I do a local mirror off of my hard drive... |
| 20:10.12 | Zelut | herlo: it has to be http accessible is all |
| 20:11.10 | herlo | hmmph |
| 20:11.17 | herlo | I wanted to do it from my own hard drive |
| 20:11.25 | herlo | can't do that? |
| 20:12.09 | Zelut | herlo: you can do it from your own hard drive if you share the installer contents over http from your machine. |
| 20:12.27 | Zelut | herlo: doesn't support nfs/drive installation from the network installer |
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| 20:14.11 | herlo | Zelut: okay, so if I did the live cd way it would work. Can I do that from a USB disk? |
| 20:15.17 | Zelut | herlo: I've never done it but I think if you syslinux the usb disk and then copy over the contents it might work.. |
| 20:16.11 | UtahViper | herlo: I saw some topics on the forum talking about installs from a Live USB |
| 20:16.32 | herlo | UtahViper: k, tx |
| 20:19.16 | Zelut | why not just back up your grub, install Ubuntu and then restore grub and manually add ubuntu? |
| 20:35.21 | herlo | Zelut: that's what I am planning |
| 20:35.57 | clutchmm | I guess we'll see if the bug gets looked at this time........ time for some welding, YAY! |
| 20:46.45 | Yorokobi | Zelut, ping |
| 20:46.57 | Zelut | Yorokobi: pong |
| 20:47.06 | Yorokobi | Zelut, in irssi, how does one effectively ojoin a channel or op themselves if they have oper privs on the server? |
| 20:50.43 | herlo | Yorokobi: /op #channel username |
| 20:51.00 | Yorokobi | herlo, for yourself? |
| 20:51.14 | Yorokobi | I know of /mode +o user (/op user) |
| 20:51.42 | Yorokobi | In other words, if you're not op'd on join, how do you /op yourself? |
| 20:52.49 | sontek | Yorokobi: you type /msg chanserv op #channel username |
| 20:53.04 | Yorokobi | There's no chanserv on my work's IRC server :/ |
| 20:53.31 | sontek | Yorokobi: you'll have to look at the documentation for the ircd you use then |
| 20:53.41 | herlo | Yorokobi: /op works |
| 20:53.54 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.03 | herlo | Yorokobi: that's if there is not a chanserv user... |
| 20:54.06 | Yorokobi | They've been using /ojoin to but irssi doesn't offer that command |
| 20:54.24 | Zelut | atoponce: any ideas for Yorokobi? |
| 20:54.32 | Zelut | Yorokobi: I haven't been using irssi lately so I'm a bit rusty |
| 20:55.17 | atoponce | Yorokobi: you need chanserv access to op on a channel usally |
| 20:55.19 | Yorokobi | No worries, this is new ground for several of us here |
| 20:55.31 | atoponce | /msg chanserv op <nick> |
| 20:55.43 | sontek | chanserv is specific to the ircd |
| 20:55.44 | atoponce | /msg chanserv op -<nick> |
| 20:55.46 | atoponce | to deop |
| 20:55.51 | sontek | not every ircd has a chanserv |
| 20:56.02 | atoponce | i'm assuming freenode |
| 20:56.02 | Yorokobi | This one does not |
| 20:56.09 | sontek | atoponce: he said his companies server |
| 20:56.15 | atoponce | meh |
| 20:56.19 | Yorokobi | yeah |
| 20:56.22 | Yorokobi | meh |
| 20:56.25 | atoponce | :) |
| 20:56.42 | sontek | Yorokobi: are you guys running unreal? or which one did you decide to go with? |
| 20:56.57 | atoponce | then, usually is the case that you need to be the first one in the channel, which grants you with ops, and don't lose it |
| 20:57.03 | atoponce | it's best if you have services running |
| 20:57.42 | Yorokobi | atoponce, that's one of the ways we talked about but it takes a little coordination--something I won't give our developers a lot of credit for. |
| 20:57.54 | atoponce | heh |
| 20:58.09 | Yorokobi | Looks like we're using hyperion/ircd-hybrid |
| 20:58.19 | sontek | Yorokobi: well, if a few people have oper access on the server you can op that way |
| 20:58.56 | sontek | hyperion is what freenode uses, you can setup services on it |
| 20:58.59 | Yorokobi | The problem is, nobody in the channel has +o |
| 20:59.01 | sontek | and get chanserv |
| 20:59.10 | atoponce | yeah. it's best to have services running |
| 20:59.12 | Yorokobi | sontek, there's been talk. Lot's of talk. :) |
| 20:59.19 | atoponce | Yorokobi: what os is it running on |
| 20:59.29 | Yorokobi | RHEL AS3 prolly |
| 20:59.31 | sontek | Yorokobi: thats fine, oper is not +o, its admin on the ircd itself |
| 21:00.05 | sontek | Yorokobi: and you can also add chanserv to channels that don't already have it (and have people in it) |
| 21:00.08 | sontek | and then op them there |
| 21:00.10 | Yorokobi | sontek, there are users set up as ops in the ircd config but the person in question can't op himself and isn't op'd on join |
| 21:00.43 | Yorokobi | though he is an operator per the config |
| 21:01.02 | Yorokobi | anyway, fun exercise. Thanks for the assistance everyone. |
| 21:01.03 | sontek | #hyperion might be able to help you more than I can |
| 21:01.11 | sontek | I use unreal |
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