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| 01:43.18 | projektdotnet | Hi |
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| 01:56.18 | projektdotnet | anyone alive? |
| 01:56.52 | Heartsbane | yes |
| 01:57.51 | projektdotnet | always good to know that i'm not the only one |
| 01:58.06 | projektdotnet | is the address for the Feb meeting the same as the Jan meeting? |
| 01:58.15 | projektdotnet | I've never been to one but I want to try and make the next one |
| 01:58.37 | Heartsbane | Yes it will be |
| 01:59.00 | projektdotnet | Awesome. |
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| 04:33.43 | Zelut | atoponce: any opinion on openID server software? |
| 04:35.14 | atoponce | hmm. haven't run my own openid server, actually. just using my domain as a delegate |
| 04:35.47 | kkubasik | I ran some php one |
| 04:35.53 | kkubasik | kinda a pain to configure actually |
| 04:38.17 | Zelut | with the yahoo announcement i've re-added it to my blog and have been wondering about my own server. |
| 04:40.02 | atoponce | i would like to re-enable my blog to support openid |
| 04:40.17 | atoponce | Zelut: using a plugin for wordpress? if so, which one? |
| 04:40.39 | Zelut | atoponce: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/openid |
| 04:40.59 | Zelut | atoponce: seems to be working from my testing. Dax said he got some php errors when he tried, but I wonder if that was on his end.. |
| 04:45.09 | atoponce | yeah. that's the same i'm using. i also have php errors |
| 04:47.52 | Zelut | i haven't seen any php errors.. |
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| 04:56.44 | Zelut | you know the WP plugin that I'd like but can't find? |
| 04:56.56 | Zelut | disable comments if the referrer is digg.com |
| 04:57.29 | atoponce | heh |
| 04:57.33 | Gate_Laptop | lol |
| 04:59.46 | Zelut | sounds like it might be simple, but its been ages since I've touched php. I wont even try. |
| 05:01.16 | kkubasik | I can do it when I get 20 min |
| 05:01.34 | kkubasik | if there's serious demand, and you all don't want a config |
| 05:01.40 | kkubasik | just hardcode it to digg.com |
| 05:01.41 | kkubasik | ;) |
| 05:02.07 | Zelut | that's all I care about. I don't like filtering digg fanboy comments on my blog whenever someone diggs me. |
| 05:02.47 | kkubasik | there obnoxious man |
| 05:02.52 | kkubasik | 'who cares about ubuntu' |
| 05:02.57 | kkubasik | 'this wasn't a good tut' |
| 05:03.02 | kkubasik | 'it didn't work for me' |
| 05:03.09 | kkubasik | YOU DUGG ME BITCHES |
| 05:03.12 | kkubasik | DEAL! |
| 05:03.20 | kkubasik | sorry about that slip of the doung |
| 05:03.27 | Zelut | pretty much.. |
| 05:03.41 | herlo | ~language kkubasik |
| 05:03.53 | Gate_Laptop | kkubasik: blog entry or something on digg? |
| 05:04.21 | Gate_Laptop | I even took the RSS feed out of firefox.... |
| 05:05.56 | Zelut | its been a while since I've been front paged, but i've been looking for this plugin for months. |
| 05:07.25 | atoponce | hmm. better zsh prompt, i think |
| 05:08.50 | findlay | fish ftw |
| 05:09.07 | atoponce | fish? |
| 05:09.18 | findlay | ~find fish |
| 05:09.56 | findlay | http://fishshell.org/ |
| 05:10.26 | atoponce | interesting |
| 05:10.31 | atoponce | how is tab completion? |
| 05:10.59 | findlay | been a while since I've tried it |
| 05:11.11 | findlay | but the syntax highlighting is awesome |
| 05:11.21 | atoponce | syntax highlighting? |
| 05:11.39 | findlay | yes. Live CLI highlighting |
| 05:11.46 | atoponce | nice |
| 05:12.04 | atoponce | ahh. i see. checking out the screenshots |
| 05:13.17 | atoponce | sh compatible? |
| 05:15.32 | findlay | I think it's based on bash, but I don't know the compatibilities |
| 05:17.13 | jhancock___ | have you seen hotwire? |
| 05:18.17 | atoponce | nay |
| 05:18.30 | jhancock___ | you can run python comands from the terminal |
| 05:18.34 | jhancock___ | It is really sweet |
| 05:18.38 | jhancock___ | let me find the link |
| 05:19.02 | atoponce | doesn't seem to be in the repos |
| 05:19.48 | jhancock___ | nah, There is a package for hardy |
| 05:20.00 | jhancock___ | but I think kkubasick might back port it |
| 05:20.21 | jhancock___ | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Hotwire_graphical_terminal_in_Ubuntu |
| 05:20.33 | jhancock___ | you hav eto build it from source |
| 05:21.48 | jhancock___ | It is getting a lot of dev love |
| 05:22.08 | jhancock___ | http://www.howtoubuntu.com/2007/10/20/hotwire-graphical-terminal.html |
| 05:22.12 | jhancock___ | this is what I ment to send |
| 05:23.31 | atoponce | interesting |
| 05:24.25 | herlo | hotwire rocks |
| 05:24.39 | jhancock___ | si senior |
| 05:24.55 | herlo | its a bit heavy for this little computer though |
| 05:25.01 | jhancock___ | haha |
| 05:25.14 | jhancock___ | anything is a bit heavy for that tiny thing |
| 05:25.32 | jhancock___ | nice :) |
| 05:25.51 | herlo | jhancock___: not really, I run epiphany and thunderbird, rhythmbox and vim all at the same time |
| 05:26.12 | herlo | plus I have lots of other things going on occasion |
| 05:26.17 | jhancock___ | what proccessing power do you get on that |
| 05:26.27 | jhancock___ | well you can develope django apps in it |
| 05:26.35 | herlo | its supposed to run at 900Mhz, but is clocked down to 600 IIRC |
| 05:26.58 | jhancock___ | phewwwy |
| 05:27.03 | jhancock___ | that is fine for linux |
| 05:27.35 | jhancock___ | try to run windows on it and you would probably break the lappy with your face in frusteration |
| 05:28.06 | jhancock___ | haha |
| 05:28.18 | herlo | and yet, the windos people wanna put it on this |
| 05:28.26 | herlo | s/os/ows/g |
| 05:28.41 | herlo | I think they are CRRRRAAAAAAAZZZZZZZYYYYY! but that's not a debate |
| 05:28.50 | jhancock___ | haha |
| 05:29.16 | jhancock___ | lets just say there is a reason the most common thing in the windows terminal is |
| 05:29.23 | herlo | http://stream.utos.org |
| 05:29.24 | jhancock___ | dir.. dir dir..... dir dir |
| 05:29.30 | herlo | hehe |
| 05:29.49 | jhancock___ | oh good |
| 05:29.55 | jhancock___ | when is that again? |
| 05:30.01 | herlo | about 3pm |
| 05:30.10 | herlo | but I'll try to have the podcast up tomorrow night |
| 05:30.19 | jhancock___ | crap I hate school |
| 05:30.24 | jhancock___ | it gets in the way of everything |
| 05:30.27 | herlo | which reminds me, I still haven't listened to the state of the union |
| 05:30.28 | jhancock___ | :( |
| 05:30.36 | herlo | jhancock___: podcast! |
| 05:31.40 | herlo | yeah, me too. |
| 05:31.51 | herlo | that's part of why we're streaming it |
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| 05:55.59 | Gate_Laptop | Zelut: you up for an experiment? |
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| 14:58.21 | Zelut | morning |
| 15:00.00 | Yorokobi | Good morning. All 4 hours of it already. |
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| 15:23.11 | Zelut | hmm.. denyhosts isn't available for Dapper :( |
| 15:35.02 | Zelut | now I'm tempted to upgrade my servers to 7.10 |
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| 15:54.05 | Yorokobi | Zelut, you can get the same effect from iptables. The big difference being that the offending IP(s) won't be stored forever, if I remember how iptables works. |
| 15:57.38 | Gate_Laptop | Zelut: did you get my PM? |
| 15:57.51 | Gate_Laptop | crap, late to work, be back on in a minute |
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| 16:03.49 | findlay | Zelut, Yorokobi: if you went with iptables you could still probably script it to read and write from /etc/hosts.deny |
| 16:04.17 | findlay | besides, tensai wrote a script that does the same thing as DenyHosts |
| 16:06.30 | Yorokobi | iptables has a connection rate limit--effectively denyhosts |
| 16:07.01 | Yorokobi | or, he could use OpenBSD as a gw/fw and let pf handle it. :) |
| 16:10.32 | findlay | man, everybody's going to work |
| 16:10.38 | findlay | guess I should too |
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| 16:16.31 | Zelut | Yeah, I've seen examples of doing it with IPtables but I'm lazy |
| 16:18.14 | Gate_Laptop | Zelut: I wrote a little hardcoded addidtion to WordPress that should block people with a referer that has a substring of 'digg.com' |
| 16:18.38 | Gate_Laptop | I have *no* idea if it will actually work, but it doesn't give a syntax error |
| 16:19.25 | Zelut | Gate_Laptop: I downloaded it but haven't tried yet. |
| 16:19.34 | Gate_Laptop | cool, let me know |
| 16:20.01 | synic | Gate_Laptop: what language is in your quit message? |
| 16:20.05 | synic | Lua? C#? |
| 16:20.07 | Gate_Laptop | its just an else if in the first part of that file |
| 16:21.27 | Gate_Laptop | I was just going for a pseudocode type of look, maybe C# |
| 16:21.53 | Gate | that's better :) |
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| 16:46.02 | Zelut | Gate: looking through the code I don't know if that'll work. |
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| 16:51.06 | Gate | since I posted it I have come up with about 4 reasons it might not |
| 16:51.20 | Gate | which one are you thinking about? |
| 16:55.08 | Zelut | From the way I understand it when they fill out a comment form and submit *I* will be the referrer so I don't know that it'll count. |
| 16:56.58 | Gate | OK, so what needs to happen is we need to stuff the original referrer into their session then check that when they try to coment |
| 16:57.39 | Gate | I also need to make it check for capitalized DIGG.COM etc, etc |
| 16:59.40 | Zelut | i'm horrible with PHP, but sounds like good practice for you ;) |
| 16:59.57 | Gate | lol |
| 17:00.16 | Gate | I actually have written my own CMS |
| 17:02.04 | Zelut | right on. unless its bash I'm no help :) |
| 17:14.35 | synic | sweet, exaile is a featured project on launchpad. |
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| 17:42.57 | Yorokobi | Anyone who wants to try the newest beta release of Kubuntu, beware! The installer has b0rked at least one person's Windows partitions and several people are running into intaller problems. |
| 17:43.18 | Yorokobi | I know there are people here who like to cut themselves on the bleeding edge. :) |
| 17:43.31 | Zelut | that's not a good selling point there Yorokobi |
| 17:44.00 | Yorokobi | :) I stopped selling KDE when KDE4 was officially released. |
| 17:45.03 | Zelut | Yorokobi: +1 |
| 17:45.10 | Yorokobi | lolo |
| 17:45.18 | Yorokobi | s/lolo/lol/ |
| 17:45.54 | Zelut | I take it you're downgrading to something lighter? |
| 17:47.01 | Yorokobi | At work, I am using Kubuntu 6.06.2, at home I have OpenBSD 4.2-stable, and on my laptop I have Kubuntu 7.10. I may switch my laptop to FreeBSD or PC-BSD, eventually. |
| 17:47.18 | Yorokobi | So, lighter than KDE4 all around. |
| 17:48.20 | Zelut | well don't completely leave the *buntu world. |
| 17:49.34 | Yorokobi | If I stick with *buntu it'll probably be the server install then add Xorg and fluxbox afterwards |
| 17:50.04 | Zelut | could try fluxbuntu.. although I haven't yet. |
| 17:50.44 | Yorokobi | IIRC, it has some issues still. I'm not clear on what exactly, but it seemed an "iffy" project when I last looked at it. |
| 17:50.57 | Yorokobi | maybe because it wasn't well supported |
| 17:51.20 | Zelut | I used to install server + xubuntu-desktop. Is there not a fluxbuntu-desktop package? |
| 17:51.31 | Yorokobi | no idea |
| 17:51.44 | Zelut | I wonder what the differences are now between the server & desktop kernel |
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| 17:59.27 | findlay | and a popcorn kernel |
| 18:01.06 | findlay | why does ubuntu spawn so many forks? |
| 18:01.11 | findlay | I'm with tristanbob |
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| 18:01.46 | findlay | I think there should be one core with all the fragmentations as just add-ons |
| 18:01.55 | findlay | but that's just my opinion :) |
| 18:06.20 | Zelut | tell that to all the people who fork |
| 18:06.32 | Zelut | i'm sure much of what they are forking could be done with simple packaging. |
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| 18:07.05 | findlay | well how much did ubuntu encourage kubuntu/xubuntu/edubuntu? |
| 18:07.26 | findlay | and did that sort of exonerate spinoffs? |
| 18:07.56 | Zelut | well xubuntu hasn't been supported until very recently, but edubuntu and kubuntu were on purpose. |
| 18:10.23 | Yorokobi | Edu* and Ku* fit specific and very targetable niches. |
| 18:11.00 | JoeyDay|wgu | What is Edubuntu anyway? Kubuntu and Xubuntu are alternative desktop environments, but I've never understood what Edubuntu is. Does it just use Gnome and have a different suite of applications? |
| 18:11.43 | findlay | exactly. Just alternate desktops. I guess those ones are just a set of packages different |
| 18:13.06 | findlay | maybe they could make a universal installer with all of the desktop options |
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| 18:13.33 | Zelut | edubuntu rocks man. if you have kids you *have* to run edubuntu. |
| 18:13.49 | Yorokobi | Well, if you eliminated all the other *buntus, the devs would have to make a unified installer that gave the user all of the available WMs. I am not aware of any *nix installer that lets the user choose their WM during the install. Granted, my experience is limited in that regard. |
| 18:14.53 | maquis | Yorokobi: not really choosing the WM, but in the redhat installer, you can choose between Gnome, KDE and leaving it off |
| 18:15.01 | Zelut | rhel/fedora & the suse's let you chose between kde & gnome (and sometimes xfce) on install. |
| 18:15.04 | maquis | (or at least you could... i haven't tried in a while) |
| 18:15.33 | Zelut | but the problem starts there in that we no longer have single CD installs. If we pack in 2,3,4 WMs into a disk we've now moved to DVD install. |
| 18:15.34 | Yorokobi | ah, there you go. I have never installed RH/Fedora/SuSE |
| 18:15.39 | findlay | Yorokobi: RH distros at least in the past have given you lots of package options |
| 18:15.48 | maquis | personally, my preferred choice is "leave it off and let me handle it myself" |
| 18:16.01 | findlay | ubuntu was kind of radical in that regard by having the first real One Click Install |
| 18:16.13 | Zelut | with as popular as ubuntu is I think DVD downloads would clog the interweb tubes much more than they are now during release times. |
| 18:16.24 | Zelut | ubuntu is radical isn't it ;) |
| 18:16.46 | maquis | but compared to ubuntu, i much prefer how fedora/rh give you lists of categories, where you can select what software you want, rather than having the distro make that decision for you |
| 18:16.53 | findlay | why would ubuntu DVD downloads clog the intertubes? |
| 18:17.07 | Yorokobi | 2GB download v. 700MB download |
| 18:17.14 | Zelut | findlay: 700M vs 3G is going to use a lot more tube |
| 18:17.15 | findlay | so? |
| 18:17.34 | findlay | well it'll clog *your* tubes for longer, sure |
| 18:17.37 | Zelut | so I'd rather get my download done and installed rather than wait for another 2G of junk I probably wont use |
| 18:18.00 | maquis | one way to do that would be to have cd's with specific software for people without network connections (or with slow connections), then have a minimal installer which provides the list of options at the end of the installer and downloads/installs them as the last step of installation |
| 18:18.17 | maquis | so, you still start out with a full setup, but you get options as well |
| 18:18.31 | Zelut | maquis: pretty close to what we have now. *buntu on 1CD + add what you want later via the interweb |
| 18:18.35 | findlay | Zelut: what are you complaining about Mr UTOPIA? :) |
| 18:18.37 | maquis | Zelut: no |
| 18:18.46 | Zelut | findlay: I don't have utopia anymore in farmington. |
| 18:18.48 | maquis | *buntu on 1 cd installs a million things that i *don't* want |
| 18:18.53 | findlay | Zelut: :( |
| 18:19.04 | Zelut | maquis: install server |
| 18:19.16 | maquis | Zelut: sure, but that means go and download the server cd |
| 18:19.22 | maquis | instead of using the cds i already have |
| 18:19.34 | Zelut | *buntu also provides the netboot installer which comes with nothing much more than a kernel & shell, and you then add what you want. |
| 18:19.57 | maquis | see... that's more what i'm thinking |
| 18:20.09 | Zelut | i love using the netboot installer via my local mirror. I install *just* what I want and its super fast. |
| 18:20.38 | maquis | i'm still partial to source-based distros... but that's personal |
| 18:21.30 | Zelut | unfortunately the netboot iso is not very prominent or listed on the download pages |
| 18:21.51 | findlay | maquis: rpath? |
| 18:22.07 | Yorokobi | aye, that's one of the appeals of OpenBSD for me. I can put the installer on a 200MB CD and it installs the bare minimum to operate. |
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| 18:24.23 | Zelut | findlay: I have 1.5M/7xx DSL now. |
| 18:24.52 | Zelut | findlay: sadly I can often get a faster connection tethered over my cell phone. |
| 18:30.52 | tristanbob | Zelut, actually, I think xubuntu is now less supported |
| 18:31.47 | Zelut | tristanbob: this looks like its improving - http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=80 |
| 18:34.21 | tristanbob | It is interesting to learn that canonical never really supported xubuntu, even though they called it an "official version of ubuntu" |
| 18:35.43 | tristanbob | http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/xubuntu |
| 18:35.52 | tristanbob | "Xubuntu is an official derivative of Ubuntu using the Xfce desktop environment" |
| 18:36.05 | tristanbob | findlay, I agree with the single DVD idea - unify the ubuntu brand! |
| 18:36.44 | tristanbob | why complain about bandwidth? people used to complain about web images larger than 64kb in size |
| 18:37.55 | Zelut | because i don't want to download a DVD on my slow 1.5M pipe which comes with KDE and all its cruft. |
| 18:38.17 | findlay | oh, it's all about KDE, is it? The truth comes out :-) |
| 18:38.53 | Yorokobi | heh, it is *always* all about KDE :) |
| 18:40.48 | Zelut | or if I just want to install server, which takes up about 600M total installed why do I want a 3G download? |
| 18:41.24 | Zelut | plus, ubuntu is designed to be stupid-easy. a new user isn't going to know what package groups and things they need or don't need. |
| 18:41.52 | Zelut | i remember wondering when i first installed redhat what in the world i was supposed to add/remove. i had no idea. |
| 18:41.57 | findlay | so you're just going to present them with GNOME and call it good? |
| 18:42.41 | Zelut | no.. and that's why we have variants.. |
| 18:42.59 | Zelut | i don't think people really wonder if ubuntu & kubuntu are in the same boat. |
| 18:44.35 | Yorokobi | One of the most common questions in #kubuntu is "what's the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?" So, no, people don't group the two as being the same. |
| 18:46.05 | Zelut | well, right, they aren't the same but i don't think they wonder if one is made by mandriva or something. |
| 18:46.17 | Zelut | i assume it is understood they come from the same people |
| 18:47.39 | Yorokobi | ah, yeah, I presume so. Especially considering both project's main sites link to each other. |
| 18:48.10 | findlay | well, you're going to have newbie confusion no matter how you do it |
| 18:48.24 | Yorokobi | such is the nature of newbies |
| 18:48.36 | findlay | that's one thing that really turned me off about mandrake a long time ago |
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| 18:49.17 | findlay | I didn't know if I wanted the Cool Edition or the Ultimate Supreme Edition or the Optimized Awesomeness Edition |
| 18:50.14 | findlay | Yorokobi: but I thought ubuntu was all about eliminating newbie confusion |
| 18:50.54 | Yorokobi | I doubt anyone can eliminate it. I realize you're being sarcastic (or, I hope you are :) ). |
| 18:51.46 | findlay | well, one of the departure points of ubuntu was that it was the antithesis of debian while at the same time utilizing its excellent distro structure |
| 18:52.31 | findlay | so it's either 'which *buntu do I want' or 'which desktop do I install' |
| 18:53.00 | findlay | you may as well promote the flagship disc to minimize that confusion |
| 18:54.01 | findlay | of course you'll have some newbies that want to try them all :) |
| 18:54.48 | Yorokobi | I'm going to cop-out of further discussions with: We're not Canonical and, because no decision of ours will be binding, discussing it further is futile. |
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| 18:56.22 | tristanbob | Yorokobi, sure, Yorokobi , we all know you are really Mark Shuttleworth in disuise |
| 18:56.31 | Yorokobi | hah |
| 18:57.15 | findlay | :) |
| 19:38.54 | Zelut | ok I just setup seamless desktop between ubuntu host, xp guest in virtualbox. |
| 19:38.59 | Zelut | this is getting blogged |
| 19:44.26 | tonedevf | where's yer blog? |
| 19:45.51 | Zelut | tonedevf: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com |
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| 19:54.41 | Zelut | http://zelut.org/projects/misc/images/seamless.png |
| 19:55.07 | Zelut | comparing three windows and ubuntu apps side by side on the ubuntu desktop |
| 19:55.30 | Gate | wow |
| 19:55.32 | findlay | because Zelut is the uber ubuntu tutor |
| 19:56.56 | Zelut | Gate: pretty fa-reaking sweet huh :) |
| 19:57.19 | findlay | if you actually *want* to run windows, sure :) |
| 19:57.25 | Gate | I am confused, is that windows inside the VM or the other way round |
| 19:58.12 | findlay | windows hasn't treated me very nicely and as a result I am always convusive when I see the GUI again |
| 19:59.29 | Gate | a math teacher used an analogy the other day: if someone eats McDonald's their whole life, they will think that McDonald's is all they ever need. I have tasted the steak of Linux! |
| 19:59.58 | Zelut | Gate: XP is running in a VM but its running in 'seamless mode' which lets you launch just one application at a time. |
| 20:00.22 | Zelut | Gate: so instead of having the entire desktop in one window and your native desktop behind you can do both in the same place. |
| 20:00.49 | Zelut | findlay: agreed. if you need to run windows its cool. i find however that some of my most popular tutorials are virtualization related |
| 20:01.06 | findlay | Zelut: sure, cater to your audience :) |
| 20:01.54 | Gate | brb |
| 20:02.09 | tonedevf | Zelut: that's hella bitchin' |
| 20:02.29 | tonedevf | .. but it looks like you need to run Windows Update ; ) |
| 20:04.49 | Zelut | tonedevf: i'll get to that when WGA stops telling me I'm a pirate |
| 20:05.05 | tonedevf | yargh |
| 20:05.29 | tonedevf | does virtualbox have the ability to run virtual machines as a system service, similar to how VMWare server can launch machines at boot, pre X session? |
| 20:05.40 | Zelut | i've got a license sticker on my case, yet it says its not valid. |
| 20:06.05 | Zelut | tonedevf: I'm not sure. I know Xen does, but haven't tried with Virtualbox. |
| 20:06.10 | tonedevf | did you upgrade the guts in the case? |
| 20:06.21 | findlay | they know |
| 20:06.28 | findlay | they know when you blow the dust out |
| 20:06.29 | Zelut | findlay: they always know |
| 20:07.06 | findlay | the even know when you don't do anything and Fate has selected you for their condescention |
| 20:08.17 | Zelut | i think that's the boat I'm in |
| 20:08.37 | tonedevf | with a default install of xp you can set Windows Update to "notify but don't download or install" |
| 20:09.02 | tonedevf | when it first notifies you, choose "detailed update", uncheck WGA, grab the rest |
| 20:09.21 | tonedevf | you can get a fully patched XPSP2 box without ever installing WGA |
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| 20:10.53 | Zelut | tonedevf: good to know. I rarely run it anyway other than for tutorials and to remind myself what I'm *not* missing |
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| 20:21.54 | Zelut | tonedevf: I'm quoting you in a post. I hope you don't mind. |
| 20:23.32 | Zelut | brb |
| 20:38.24 | tonedevf | what quote? |
| 20:39.24 | Zelut | pull up the site. you'll see |
| 20:40.24 | Zelut | i can pull it if you want, i just thought it was an entertaining description |
| 20:41.09 | tonedevf | : ) |
| 20:41.29 | tonedevf | i'm famous! |
| 20:41.41 | tonedevf | and the quote is sooo profound and timeless |
| 20:54.57 | Gate | yay for public key authentication! |
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| 21:50.54 | steve8track | hello |
| 21:51.10 | steve8track | anybody know about the minimal ubuntu? |
| 21:51.47 | findlay | yeah. It's so small you have to look at it with a microscope |
| 21:51.55 | steve8track | cool |
| 21:52.00 | Yorokobi | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot |
| 21:52.01 | findlay | :) |
| 21:52.20 | steve8track | but while it installs, does it have to download? or can it install just the bare essential to get to a command line first? |
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| 21:52.49 | Yorokobi | steve8track, that'd be the server install you're looking for |
| 21:53.04 | Yorokobi | the minimal is a network-based install |
| 21:53.15 | steve8track | I asked mike about a small ubuntu, and he mentioned some ubuntu project, I think it started with a g. He said it would install only enough to get to a command line, even less than the server install I think. |
| 21:53.29 | steve8track | so I was hoping to find it, but I can't find mike :-( |
| 21:53.36 | steve8track | and I can't remember the name |
| 21:53.54 | Yorokobi | gobuntu? |
| 21:54.04 | Yorokobi | That's the only one I can think of that starts with a G |
| 21:54.35 | atoponce | Yorokobi: i think he's referring to gubuntu, which never took off the ground |
| 21:54.40 | steve8track | I guess I'll look, but I thought it was something more like ubuntu-gom or ubuntu-geam or something like that |
| 21:54.58 | atoponce | supposed to be very minimilistic for devs- like a minimalistic debian install |
| 21:55.12 | atoponce | i think that was the name |
| 21:55.31 | atoponce | then there is gobuntu, which is inspired from gnewsense, with only free software |
| 21:55.58 | steve8track | I just looked at gobuntu, and it says the system requirements are the same. |
| 21:56.12 | steve8track | I just want to install just enough to use apt-get |
| 21:56.21 | steve8track | (and ls, cd, etc of course) |
| 21:57.02 | atoponce | gobuntu is just as bloated, it just has only free software, vs binary blob support |
| 21:57.11 | steve8track | I found a book about making a custom distrobution from scratch, but I thought it would be easier if I could find the base I want already. |
| 21:57.12 | atoponce | it's the only distro supported by the fsf, i guess |
| 21:57.46 | atoponce | steve8track: you may want to look into debian. grab a 50MB iso, and install a minimal system, with no X, or anything other than the base |
| 21:57.56 | steve8track | maybe it didn't start with a g, but mike did say it was just enough to boot to a command line |
| 21:58.18 | Yorokobi | steve8track, ftp://ftp5.usa.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/4.2/i386/install42.iso |
| 21:58.20 | steve8track | does that 50MB iso have apt-get installed though by default? |
| 21:58.27 | steve8track | and ndiswrapper |
| 21:59.05 | steve8track | hmm, is openBSD a different license than freeBSD? |
| 21:59.05 | atoponce | steve8track: apt-get yes, ndiswrapper you'd have to install |
| 21:59.33 | steve8track | that's my second big problem, the computer I want to install it on doesn't have ethernet |
| 21:59.39 | atoponce | steve8track: when it says minimalistic on debian, it means *extremely* minimalistic. just the core base to run a debian linux kernel with fs, and that's it |
| 21:59.56 | steve8track | so I won't be able to get the internet to install it |
| 22:00.04 | Yorokobi | steve8track, you won't find anything like ndiswrapper on OpenBSD |
| 22:00.04 | steve8track | I guess I could download it to a flash drive |
| 22:00.21 | steve8track | thanks for all of the info |
| 22:00.23 | steve8track | what's fs? |
| 22:00.33 | atoponce | filesystem |
| 22:01.24 | steve8track | long as it has common terminal commands and opens to consol (without x) and has things like apt-get, nano, ls, cd, and other things I use, I'll be happy. |
| 22:01.31 | steve8track | and as long as it runs on virtually no ram |
| 22:01.52 | Yorokobi | what are you putting it on? an old laptop? |
| 22:02.30 | atoponce | steve8track: it has all the shell commands |
| 22:02.42 | steve8track | Yorokobi: Yeah, the laptop only has 96MB of ram (it's maxed out too) I tried installing DSL on a computer that had Ubuntu before (better than that laptop)... and |
| 22:02.59 | steve8track | wierdly enough, DSL didn't run any faster |
| 22:03.29 | atoponce | 96MB is pushing it |
| 22:03.41 | atoponce | if DSL isn't runnig any faster, than debian/*bsd won't either |
| 22:03.41 | steve8track | I thought it would run faster using fluxbox. It was a computer with about 380 MB or RAM and 400 MHz |
| 22:04.05 | Yorokobi | You may be able to trim some fat by building your own kernel. It'd take a while to compile, but you could, in theory, end up with a smaller kernel. |
| 22:04.30 | steve8track | atoponce: so even with just the shell, it will have trouble on a computer with 96MB of RAM? |
| 22:05.13 | steve8track | Yorokobi: would that mean compiling the kernel on the slow machine? LOL that would take time... |
| 22:05.19 | atoponce | steve8track: you need ram for the kernel, kdump, your shell, and a number of other things. even with no X |
| 22:05.38 | steve8track | what is kdump? sounds like a kde thing |
| 22:05.59 | Yorokobi | steve8track, not necessarily. You can build it on another machine but then you'd have to package it up, move it over, install it, reboot, and pray it works. :) |
| 22:05.59 | atoponce | the only thing i would recommend at this point is compiling a kernel with minimal modules, and using a minimal shell, like ash |
| 22:06.13 | atoponce | steve8track: kdump is a kernel dump utility |
| 22:06.29 | steve8track | I recently installed wmii on my laptop for fun, I can't beleive they have a desktop environment in less than 100 kilabytes |
| 22:06.42 | atoponce | dash would probably be better, actually |
| 22:07.02 | steve8track | dash as a Desktop environment? |
| 22:07.07 | Yorokobi | as a shell |
| 22:07.09 | atoponce | debian almquist shell |
| 22:07.28 | atoponce | smaller, les bloated than bash |
| 22:07.35 | atoponce | s/es/ess/ |
| 22:09.17 | atoponce | at any event, 96MB is doable, certainly, you're just going to have to roll with the punches i guess, meaning a slower system than what you're used to |
| 22:09.28 | herlo | yes, I know its quiet, but you should be able to get on now |
| 22:09.41 | atoponce | ? |
| 22:09.41 | steve8track | it's quiet? lol |
| 22:09.41 | Yorokobi | herlo, you referring to the hearing at the capitol? |
| 22:09.41 | atoponce | wrong window herlo ? |
| 22:09.51 | herlo | http://stream.utosf.org:8080 |
| 22:09.56 | herlo | Yorokobi: not the wrong window |
| 22:10.00 | herlo | hb139 |
| 22:10.57 | Yorokobi | Yep, it is quiet there. |
| 22:12.17 | Yorokobi | herlo, I hear a voice but it is barely audible |
| 22:12.41 | herlo | check #utos for more information |
| 22:13.35 | steve8track | My parents still have a computer (that we don't use anymore ;-) ) that has only 16MB of ram with Icons that you can move, etc. It only has a 22 MB hard drive. What I don't get is how I can't get something like windows 3.1, despite the differences in 16-bit operating systems. For example, I think it's wierd that DSL (which uses fluxbox) can't move icons without editing text files manually instead of dragging them. Sorry to mention w |
| 22:13.59 | steve8track | Maybe I'm over simplifying |
| 22:17.20 | herlo | join #utos for the discussion in irc |
| 22:18.49 | steve8track | me? |
| 22:19.53 | steve8track | Yorokobi: you can hear audio now in the irc? |
| 22:21.16 | Yorokobi | heh, no it is for a podcast re: HB139 at the state capitol |
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