| 00:03.05 | Zelut | Heartsbane: should have stuck with me man, I have all the right answers ;) |
| 00:03.18 | Heartsbane | go for it |
| 00:03.19 | herlo | Zelut: except for a few |
| 00:03.30 | Zelut | Heartsbane: replied to the list |
| 00:03.44 | Heartsbane | I am bored and think I want to try something with the apocalypse box |
| 00:04.40 | Zelut | hardy is stable on both my macbook and eeepc |
| 00:06.39 | undertakingyou | Question for the group . . . has anyone had any issues with evolution and imap with gmail? |
| 00:06.47 | herlo | hehe |
| 00:07.36 | undertakingyou | herlo: thanks for the support man :) |
| 00:08.02 | herlo | undertakingyou: its true though, Heartsbane had some issues recently |
| 00:09.09 | undertakingyou | oh yeah? I don't know what the deal is. It used to work fine. Now it just won't mark the gmail inbox as read. So I am reading a lot of emails twice. |
| 00:10.13 | Heartsbane | undertakingyou: ya gmail recently decided for a week to redo all the imap labels |
| 00:10.15 | Zelut | gmail + imap suck |
| 00:10.53 | undertakingyou | Zelut: don't hold back man. Tell us how you really feel. :) |
| 00:11.17 | atoponce | no way. gmail + imap ftw! |
| 00:11.27 | Zelut | its slower than crap |
| 00:11.40 | atoponce | not any slower that guru imap |
| 00:11.45 | atoponce | s/that/than/ |
| 00:11.50 | Zelut | yeah, I don't use that either :) |
| 00:12.05 | Zelut | I forward my accounts to xmission imap and seems to work great. |
| 00:12.18 | atoponce | it surprises me how people think gmail imap is slow. did they use gmail pop at all? |
| 00:12.21 | Heartsbane | undertakingyou: gmail kept turning on my my drafts folder, even though drafts were set to local folders... it was kinda aggravating |
| 00:12.24 | atoponce | *that* was slow |
| 00:13.15 | undertakingyou | gmail imap used to work fine. A little slow but, not as bad as pop. atoponce is right there. |
| 00:13.54 | atoponce | i still think it works great. i never have any troubles with gmail imap. snappy as ants in your pants |
| 00:14.10 | Zelut | when I use gmail I just use the web as the google intented. |
| 00:14.20 | atoponce | heh |
| 00:14.20 | herlo | hehe |
| 00:14.49 | Heartsbane | Zelut: then why did they give us IMAP? |
| 00:14.51 | atoponce | undertakingyou: to answer your question, however, i don't use evolution. thunderbird ftw! |
| 00:15.09 | herlo | ~w00t! |
| 00:15.09 | jbot | There it is! |
| 00:15.12 | Heartsbane | and yes xmission imap is faster |
| 00:15.15 | herlo | tbird rules |
| 00:15.41 | Heartsbane | tbird or theebird |
| 00:16.08 | undertakingyou | atoponce: I tried tbird . . . but missed the lack of gnome integration. |
| 00:16.45 | herlo | undertakingyou: its coming |
| 00:17.25 | undertakingyou | really? where did you hear that? |
| 00:18.03 | herlo | undertakingyou: firefox is first, then tbird, that's the mandate |
| 00:19.01 | undertakingyou | I wonder how firefox could get more integrated into gnome. Or is that already done and thunderbird is next? |
| 00:19.19 | Zelut | I don't think FF is very integrated. Epiphany is more integrated. |
| 00:19.32 | herlo | Zelut: ff3 is |
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| 00:19.38 | Heartsbane | based upon? |
| 00:19.40 | herlo | much more than before |
| 00:19.47 | herlo | Heartsbane: uh, trying it ? |
| 00:19.53 | Zelut | agreed, ff3 is better |
| 00:20.13 | Heartsbane | I haven't tried Epiphany |
| 00:20.32 | herlo | its getting there. I like epiphany on my eeep for its small footprint and ease of use |
| 00:20.40 | herlo | not converted yet to it for my t60p though |
| 00:20.54 | herlo | atoponce tells me there are extensions though. I need to try those out... |
| 00:22.08 | Zelut | yeah, epiphany-extensions give you a lot of the popular FF extensions too. |
| 00:22.17 | Zelut | adblock, greasemonkey, del.icio.us, etc.. |
| 00:22.49 | herlo | Zelut: I really need to implement those then... |
| 00:22.57 | herlo | ff3 is currently a big memory hog though... |
| 00:23.31 | Heartsbane | Zelut: How about reloadevery, and weatherfox? |
| 00:24.24 | herlo | Zelut: I do like that F9 removed the dependency on FF for epiphany |
| 00:24.41 | Zelut | herlo: that's nice |
| 00:24.44 | Zelut | here is a list: |
| 00:24.47 | herlo | yay, more updates! |
| 00:24.53 | herlo | F9 Rawhide! |
| 00:25.21 | Zelut | actions, ad blocker, auto-reload tab, auto-scroll, certificatios, creative commons license, epilicious, error viewer, favicon fallback, gestures, greasemonkey, java console, live http headers |
| 00:25.57 | Zelut | ... news feed subscription, page info, permissions, push scroll, python console, seahorse, select stylesheet, sidebar, smart bookmarks, tab groups, tab states. |
| 00:26.10 | Zelut | if you want the descriptions you can install the package! |
| 00:26.17 | Heartsbane | link? |
| 00:26.21 | Heartsbane | oh |
| 00:26.27 | Zelut | apturl://epiphany-extensions |
| 00:26.45 | Heartsbane | nice apturl:// |
| 00:26.49 | herlo | Zelut: anything for us who don't have ubuntu as our main desktop? |
| 00:26.50 | Heartsbane | I love that |
| 00:27.00 | Zelut | apturl is the freaking bomb |
| 00:27.09 | Zelut | herlo: yum search epiphany |
| 00:27.24 | herlo | Zelut: k, but not quite what I was looking for |
| 00:27.31 | herlo | more like a list, list |
| 00:28.05 | Zelut | might be in the package description, I just pulled that from my list in-browser |
| 00:28.44 | herlo | Zelut: looks like fedora is behind the 8-ball with this apturl and 1-click-install |
| 00:28.48 | herlo | we needs something |
| 00:29.35 | Heartsbane | Ask Suse they are great at the one click install |
| 00:30.15 | herlo | Heartsbane: its true, though its such a misnomer |
| 00:30.24 | herlo | its nowhere near one click |
| 00:30.41 | Heartsbane | oh really do tell, I have never heard this before |
| 00:30.57 | Heartsbane | <-- Smartass |
| 00:31.01 | Zelut | apturl ftw! |
| 00:31.07 | herlo | with Heartsbane |
| 00:31.20 | herlo | and thinks apturl is the way to do it though... |
| 00:31.27 | herlo | something like that anyway... |
| 00:32.21 | Zelut | apturl doesn't use anything that isn't in your current repo config either, which I think is cool for security. |
| 00:32.52 | Zelut | and if the year-of-the-MOTU keeps up we won't ever need 3rd party repos anyway. |
| 00:33.54 | herlo | at least the method |
| 00:35.11 | Zelut | I don't understand the 'lack of responsibility' |
| 00:35.42 | herlo | the put the onus on the user to *know* about the non-freeness... |
| 00:36.02 | Heartsbane | herlo beleives that the multiverse is not well defined to the end user |
| 00:36.04 | herlo | ~dict onus |
| 00:36.16 | herlo | oh, that doesn't wokr? |
| 00:36.30 | herlo | hehe |
| 00:36.32 | Zelut | enabled-by-default is not defined enough? |
| 00:36.43 | herlo | Zelut: it has little to do with that |
| 00:37.09 | Zelut | so what does it have to do with? |
| 00:37.12 | Zelut | spit it out boy |
| 00:37.41 | herlo | in fact, I'd say that canonical needs to be more vigilant at informing their userbase |
| 00:38.05 | herlo | they don't tell them anything about the non-free software in their codebase. Although I think that's changing last I heard. |
| 00:38.18 | herlo | disabling it isn't enough. |
| 00:38.32 | Zelut | there should be more hoops to get the software? |
| 00:38.37 | herlo | no |
| 00:38.56 | herlo | but there should be disclaimers indicating that its free an dthey'll be held responsible |
| 00:38.57 | Zelut | big flashy warning lights? |
| 00:39.01 | herlo | yup |
| 00:39.09 | herlo | that'd be a good step |
| 00:39.23 | herlo | well, maybe not so flashy, but at least a nice warning... |
| 00:39.31 | Zelut | as I recall there are a fair number of notices along those lines |
| 00:39.32 | herlo | visible, but easy to move past... |
| 00:40.06 | herlo | til now |
| 00:40.12 | herlo | Heartsbane: hehe |
| 00:40.44 | herlo | I totally wish that we could push for adoption of free standards, but I understand how *impossible* that is overnight. |
| 00:41.57 | herlo | and waits for it |
| 00:42.56 | Heartsbane | its not worth the argument, in terms we can laugh about, I rate very low in my software freedom issues |
| 00:44.15 | herlo | Zelut: wow |
| 00:45.54 | Heartsbane | I think he meant me when he said smartass |
| 00:46.08 | herlo | Heartsbane: could be... |
| 00:50.01 | Zelut | I've had a long day and haven't had much sleep for a week. |
| 00:51.22 | herlo | Zelut: fair enough, fatherhood will do that to ya. |
| 00:51.38 | Heartsbane | for atleast the next 18 years |
| 00:52.58 | herlo | probably longer |
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| 00:56.14 | Heartsbane | yes jbot... cheesecake indeed |
| 00:56.47 | redbeard2 | Heartsbane: cheesecake is in the oven, actually |
| 00:57.09 | Heartsbane | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 00:58.08 | redbeard2 | so, unless i'm missing something, totem doesn't seem to handle dvd menus well. mplayer isn't all that hot on them either. any suggestions for something else? |
| 00:58.26 | Heartsbane | VLC |
| 00:59.11 | redbeard2 | let me give it a try. |
| 01:00.01 | redbeard2 | if i suddenly disconnect, i'm guessing my hotel has decided i'm downloading too much (such as VLC) |
| 01:00.41 | herlo | vlc |
| 01:00.43 | herlo | for sure |
| 01:01.01 | herlo | stupid codecs... |
| 01:01.05 | redbeard2 | well, shoot. i was gonna go with vlc, but if the fedora guy uses it... |
| 01:01.17 | herlo | and the codecs too |
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| 01:02.52 | herlo | mmm, cheezecake! |
| 01:03.13 | redbeard2 | herlo: hotel cheesecake |
| 01:03.36 | herlo | mmm, cool |
| 01:03.47 | herlo | redbeard2: wauatw? |
| 01:04.05 | herlo | or rather, WAUTW? |
| 01:04.23 | redbeard2 | herlo: wow.. i don't even know how to pronounce that |
| 01:04.31 | herlo | redbeard2: its an acronym |
| 01:04.39 | redbeard2 | ...for...? |
| 01:05.10 | redbeard2 | wacky australians unlikely to win? |
| 01:05.12 | herlo | the W's are 'where' and 'week' |
| 01:05.19 | herlo | hint #1 |
| 01:05.22 | redbeard2 | herlo: wesford |
| 01:05.45 | herlo | redbeard2: cool, I am in NYC and had an awesome GYRO from a street vendor... |
| 01:05.57 | herlo | 3.50 is all it cost :) |
| 01:06.07 | redbeard2 | bah. that's one problem with westford, too far from the really good food. |
| 01:06.40 | redbeard2 | i shoulda stopped by india palace on the way home, but i had chinese leftovers from last night. but the microwave is currently monopolized by some jerk. |
| 01:06.49 | herlo | yah, I'm trying to get to FUDCon F10 in Boston in June. That'll be interesting |
| 01:07.09 | redbeard2 | herlo: did you hear what happened to me today in class? |
| 01:07.13 | herlo | nope |
| 01:07.52 | redbeard2 | i asked my students if any of them had ever heard of virt-manager (since they all seemed so xen-savvy) and one of them said "yeah, i designed the interface for it" |
| 01:08.03 | herlo | oh, wow |
| 01:08.11 | herlo | and? Who was that? |
| 01:08.17 | redbeard2 | mairin duffy |
| 01:08.23 | herlo | oh, you have mo in your class? |
| 01:08.26 | redbeard2 | yeah |
| 01:08.30 | redbeard2 | she's pretty rad |
| 01:08.32 | herlo | she's an awesome designer |
| 01:08.47 | redbeard2 | yeah.. i was having her help me with a problem i've been having in inkscape |
| 01:08.50 | herlo | I've talked to her just on email a couple times, but I love her blog |
| 01:09.03 | herlo | RedHatters rule |
| 01:09.09 | redbeard2 | you know what the really funny thing is? |
| 01:09.12 | herlo | expecially Mo |
| 01:09.25 | Heartsbane | I thought Hypervisor was preferred over virtmanager? |
| 01:09.31 | herlo | huh? |
| 01:09.51 | redbeard2 | herlo: last week i decided to attempt mini cheesecakes in my hotel room this week |
| 01:10.04 | redbeard2 | now, check the special thanks on the bottom of this post: http://blog.josephhall.com/2007/03/mini-gnome-cheesecakes.html |
| 01:10.07 | herlo | s/redbeard2/Heartsbane/g |
| 01:10.14 | herlo | s/redbeard2/Heartsbane/ |
| 01:10.21 | herlo | stupid bot |
| 01:10.47 | Heartsbane | herlo: maybe because I have never attempted any virtualization, I only read about it |
| 01:10.48 | herlo | redbeard2: oh, btw saw the flickr post on Fedora Planet the other day for the ff cookies |
| 01:10.57 | herlo | commented on it too... |
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| 01:11.18 | redbeard2 | herlo: thanks man, i appreciate it |
| 01:11.24 | Heartsbane | herlo: isn't hypervisor what Xen uses to manage virtualizaton? |
| 01:11.31 | herlo | redbeard2: oh, right, I've read tha tpost before and noticed that |
| 01:11.45 | herlo | Heartsbane: no, its called virt-manager |
| 01:12.04 | herlo | the hypervisor is essentially a traffic cop between virtual instances and the main system |
| 01:12.11 | herlo | redbeard2: np |
| 01:12.26 | herlo | redbeard2: I'm all about attribution to the right people... |
| 01:13.36 | Heartsbane | herlo: ya I think I will have to try some project involving virtualization |
| 01:14.00 | herlo | virt-manager will be in 8.04 :) |
| 01:14.37 | redbeard2 | herlo: you know terminator is gonna be cancelled, right? |
| 01:15.15 | Heartsbane | its not that great |
| 01:15.18 | Heartsbane | so |
| 01:15.31 | redbeard2 | Heartsbane: not what i mean |
| 01:15.58 | herlo | no!!! |
| 01:16.46 | Heartsbane | yes |
| 01:17.12 | redbeard2 | ah, found it |
| 01:17.13 | redbeard2 | http://www.reallifecomics.com/archive/080226.html |
| 01:18.09 | herlo | that sucks |
| 01:18.44 | redbeard2 | freakin' fox |
| 01:19.07 | redbeard2 | good news, all. this cheesecake attempt seemed to be successful. i won't know for sure until tomorrow tho. |
| 01:20.15 | herlo | redbeard2: oh, you're making it at hte hotel? |
| 01:21.00 | redbeard2 | herlo: where else would i make it? |
| 01:22.06 | Heartsbane | do it in the classroom |
| 01:22.42 | redbeard2 | herlo: no microwave in the classroom. but there is one in the breakroom, i guess |
| 01:24.53 | herlo | redbeard2: get the names straight :) |
| 01:25.25 | redbeard2 | herlo: no matter. the whole point of these experiments is to see if i can pull off a decent cheesecake in my hotel room. it wouldn't be right of me to perform them anywhere else. |
| 01:40.32 | herlo | hehe |
| 01:41.17 | Zelut | ubuntu uses a vlc with the non-free removed. if you want the non-free its via medibuntu. |
| 01:55.31 | herlo | Zelut: oh, nice |
| 01:56.08 | herlo | the only way to get vlc in Fedora is to add a 3rd party repo not supported by Fedora. |
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| 02:25.39 | Zelut | sontek: why are all the cool apps made in mono? :) |
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| 03:01.30 | undertakingyou | Yorokobi: ping |
| 03:01.38 | Yorokobi | undertakingyou, pong |
| 03:11.39 | herlo | Zelut: because mono rules! |
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| 04:23.16 | Zelut | sontek: ping |
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| 06:18.03 | Zelut | where is sontek when I have a mono question :( |
| 06:27.48 | Heartsbane | Zelut: I know he was working that conference that is in town, so I dunno he might be sleeping |
| 06:29.47 | Zelut | ahh |
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| 15:29.11 | Zelut | morning |
| 15:41.45 | throck | morning |
| 15:43.34 | Zelut | throck: wow, haven't seen you in a while :) |
| 15:47.42 | herlo | dude, tomboy ssh sync is awesome! |
| 15:47.43 | herlo | just did it today... |
| 15:48.51 | Zelut | is gnome-do available in fedora yet? |
| 15:49.52 | throck | it hasn't been that long. Only about a year. |
| 16:00.42 | atoponce | that's forever in irc time |
| 16:00.45 | atoponce | :) |
| 16:01.34 | undertakingyou | atoponce: ping |
| 16:03.37 | throck | Yes it is. But I decided it was time to get back into things. :) |
| 16:07.44 | atoponce | undertakingyou: pong |
| 16:08.09 | undertakingyou | atoponce: sorry to bug you. What is the command to show mountable devices? |
| 16:09.37 | atoponce | fdisk -l |
| 16:10.09 | atoponce | mount # will show you what is currently mounted |
| 16:10.41 | Yorokobi | undertakingyou, dmesg, /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages is also a place to look (ie, when you plug in a USB drive) |
| 16:11.31 | undertakingyou | so will fdisk -l only show you what is not mounted? |
| 16:11.54 | atoponce | no. it shows you all hard disks & partitions, whether mounted or not |
| 16:12.26 | undertakingyou | hmmm . . . I tested here on my machine and it shows nothing |
| 16:12.36 | throck | you have to use sudo. |
| 16:12.43 | atoponce | you need to be roto |
| 16:12.47 | atoponce | s/to/ot/ |
| 16:12.48 | atoponce | yeah |
| 16:12.52 | atoponce | heh |
| 16:13.00 | Yorokobi | heh, greedy regexp |
| 16:14.08 | undertakingyou | AH HA!! Thats super, thanks. |
| 16:14.32 | undertakingyou | I should always remember: 'make me a sandwhich . . . sudo make me a sandwhich' |
| 16:14.55 | throck | lol |
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| 16:17.45 | undertakingyou | well that was a short time back for throck |
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| 17:21.39 | redbeard2 | that seems to be happening a lot lately |
| 17:55.59 | mheath | netsplits? |
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| 18:05.30 | herlo | yup |
| 18:12.26 | atoponce | they're changing daemons, last i heard |
| 18:13.43 | atoponce | http://blog.freenode.net/?p=56 |
| 18:59.42 | Zelut | who still isn't twittering? |
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| 19:03.16 | Yorokobi | Zelut, is that a general question to the masses or a response to some earlier conversation (that I missed and am too lazy to press pgup for)? |
| 19:03.44 | Zelut | just a general question. I recently got hooked on twitter.. |
| 19:17.04 | Zelut | atoponce: you need to twitter. |
| 19:17.08 | fizz | ha! |
| 19:17.18 | atoponce | never! |
| 19:17.28 | fizz | atoponce is a real blogger |
| 19:17.30 | fizz | heh |
| 19:17.37 | fizz | he doesn't need no twitter |
| 19:17.38 | atoponce | fizz gets it |
| 19:17.49 | atoponce | blogs are for real men |
| 19:17.56 | atoponce | twitter are for kids |
| 19:18.20 | nearn | heh twitter. |
| 19:32.20 | Zelut | moriancumer: +1 |
| 19:34.08 | atoponce | herlo: -1 |
| 19:34.12 | herlo | ~lart atoponce |
| 19:34.12 | jbot | resizes atoponce's terminal to 40x24 |
| 19:34.16 | atoponce | heh |
| 19:34.17 | herlo | ~w00t |
| 19:34.18 | jbot | w00t!!! |
| 19:34.50 | herlo | atoponce: good luck seeing my screen again with such a *small* terminal! |
| 19:35.54 | Yorokobi | heh, switch to the 8x16 font and you'll be fine. |
| 19:35.59 | Yorokobi | er, 8x8 |
| 19:36.11 | atoponce | what are y |
| 19:36.19 | atoponce | out talking |
| 19:36.25 | atoponce | about. i can |
| 19:36.27 | atoponce | see fine |
| 19:37.51 | nearn | lol |
| 20:00.38 | throck | the worst part about singing up for a new service is choosing the username/nick name. throck is almost always taken. |
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| 22:39.37 | fizz | slow in here today. |
| 22:39.49 | Heartsbane | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.00 | Heartsbane | you had better post that in twitter |
| 22:42.19 | fizz | i want this day to end. we launch tomorrow and i have a feeling this is going to be a 12 or so hour day |
| 22:49.38 | atoponce | why would the prompt via ssh take a few seconds to appear? |
| 22:49.50 | atoponce | after i authenticate that is |
| 22:50.15 | fizz | cuz ur slow |
| 22:50.25 | atoponce | it's getting annoying |
| 22:50.27 | throck | I think it has to do with screen size. |
| 22:51.00 | atoponce | throck: well, if that was the case, it should be fast right now |
| 22:51.07 | atoponce | i'm on 320x320 |
| 22:51.25 | throck | not 8x8? |
| 22:52.06 | atoponce | no |
| 22:52.18 | throck | :) I'm guessing you are connecting via local lan? |
| 22:52.48 | atoponce | local lan, remotely, locally |
| 22:52.53 | atoponce | all the same |
| 22:53.21 | atoponce | ssh aaron@localhost takes just as long |
| 22:53.31 | throck | ah. |
| 22:54.37 | atoponce | i'd like to know why it takes a couple seconds before the prompt appears |
| 22:55.45 | atoponce | it only happens on this box, which is debian testing, and it was faster on sid actually |
| 22:55.45 | Zelut | weird |
| 22:55.45 | atoponce | immediate |
| 22:55.45 | atoponce | yeah |
| 22:56.23 | throck | check out this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=290468 |
| 22:57.32 | atoponce | i don't have browser right now. what does it say? |
| 22:58.06 | atoponce | s/e b/e a b/ |
| 22:58.21 | throck | he moved the /etc/bash_completion to /etc/bash_completion.bak |
| 22:59.12 | atoponce | that's it? |
| 22:59.12 | throck | that may or may not disable command completion though. :( |
| 22:59.33 | atoponce | hmmm... |
| 22:59.35 | throck | that was the solution. His description of the problem was exactly the same as yours. |
| 22:59.45 | atoponce | odd |
| 23:00.02 | atoponce | of course, i should be running zsh anyway |
| 23:00.35 | Heartsbane | he said in the post that using ZSH only took 8 secs off the time |
| 23:01.58 | atoponce | well in that case thah would be sufficient |
| 23:06.28 | throck | is there a command line equivalent to the disk usage analyzer? I need to find out where my space is getting eaten up in /var |
| 23:07.18 | Zelut | du |
| 23:07.30 | Zelut | du -h /var |
| 23:09.35 | throck | zelut: thanks! I've even used that before, but not for a LONG time. |
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| 23:35.21 | tapH20guru_ | atoponce: reverse DNS will do it |
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| 23:45.36 | atoponce | zsh doesn't suffer from the slowness |
| 23:46.27 | atoponce | only bash |
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