| 00:00.04 | synic | or of that doesn't work, depending on your table format, you can use myisamchck |
| 00:02.23 | Zelut | can I just repair all tables in a db? |
| 00:02.35 | Zelut | it looks like its a few tables in each one, and i have a dozen + |
| 00:03.34 | synic | you can myisamchck -f *.MYI |
| 00:03.51 | synic | but I think you need to stop the daemon first. |
| 00:04.14 | Zelut | i remember using phpmyadmin for doing this in the past. |
| 00:04.15 | synic | myisamchck -f on a non-broken table is safe. |
| 00:04.53 | Brizz | heh |
| 00:05.00 | Zelut | brb - need to head back to the hotel. |
| 00:05.03 | Brizz | I've had more than I want to of those things |
| 00:06.17 | synic | me too, one of our databases currently has 3587 tables in it. |
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| 00:32.27 | Zelut | anyone have any suggestions on good tax places? |
| 01:29.48 | Zelut | no! that stupid Firefox bug is back on a fresh install |
| 01:30.05 | fizz | no way. |
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| 01:30.20 | fizz | did you do what synic did to fix it? |
| 01:30.28 | fizz | (assuming you mean that bug) |
| 01:32.06 | Zelut | I can try that but I had tried it in the past with no results |
| 01:34.34 | Zelut | synic: is all you did is remove .mozilla? |
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| 01:35.34 | fizz | rm -rf ~/.mozilla |
| 02:05.38 | Zelut | I hate to reconfig all my tweaks again but its worth a try. |
| 02:07.41 | herlo | I say back it up first :) |
| 02:12.31 | Zelut | ok, I deleted and restarted FF and I still have the problem. |
| 02:12.33 | Gate | tar -cvf |
| 02:12.37 | Gate | *then* rm |
| 02:32.25 | findlay | just uses ff svn |
| 02:32.46 | herlo | fizz: you mean cvs right? |
| 02:32.53 | herlo | findlay: that is |
| 02:34.48 | findlay | yeah, whatever |
| 02:34.52 | findlay | the snapshots |
| 02:35.52 | herlo | :) |
| 02:36.14 | findlay | cvs: you may get bugs, but you'll never see the same ones again :) |
| 02:36.43 | findlay | that's roughly been my ff3 experience |
| 02:47.45 | Zelut | maybe I'll just start thinking of this as a feature instead. that'll solve the problem. |
| 02:55.38 | Zelut | ok, bug still here.. |
| 02:57.09 | herlo | Zelut: what's the bug? |
| 02:57.47 | Zelut | herlo: FF moves to the virtual desktop of wherever you did 'open link' |
| 02:58.06 | Zelut | herlo: ie; running irssi in one and FF in another moves FF anytime someone gives me a link to open. |
| 02:58.30 | herlo | oh, the xfce bug? |
| 02:59.32 | Zelut | don't know what that means |
| 02:59.55 | herlo | someone else asked the same question when they were using FF3 in xfce |
| 03:00.07 | herlo | Zelut: what is the exact cvs revision you are running? |
| 03:02.19 | Zelut | Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9b4) Gecko/2008031317 Firefox/3.0b4 |
| 03:03.31 | herlo | Zelut: can you do a dpkg -i or whatever to get the revision that way? I'm curious because the cvs version I have is |
| 03:03.47 | herlo | 20080315 |
| 03:04.04 | herlo | but the Gecko version I have is Gecko/2008031714 |
| 03:04.34 | herlo | Zelut: or did you get that from help->about? |
| 03:04.37 | Zelut | 3.0~b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 ... doesn't really help. |
| 03:04.59 | Zelut | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9b4) Gecko/2008031317 Firefox/3.0b4 |
| 03:05.26 | herlo | ahh, okay, so I can't reduplicate it |
| 03:05.33 | herlo | I'm on 3.0b5pre |
| 03:05.59 | herlo | and your gecko is older, sounds like they've fixed it in the future as I don't have that problem |
| 03:07.08 | Zelut | I wonder if I should just install manually.. maybe that'll fix it. |
| 03:07.30 | herlo | could do, doesn't Ubuntu have a *rawhide* like thing? |
| 03:08.48 | Zelut | I don't think I know what rawhide really is |
| 03:09.42 | Heartsbane | thinks it is that stuff they use to make saddlebags. |
| 03:09.45 | herlo | rawhide is the development tree for Fedora, essentially a nightly build of the entire tree |
| 03:10.02 | Heartsbane | well ya that and saddlebags. |
| 03:10.09 | herlo | sure |
| 03:10.16 | Zelut | we have ubuntu dailies I guess.. |
| 03:10.30 | Zelut | I could try adding -proposed to my repo, which is a bit more cutting edge |
| 03:11.13 | herlo | yeah, that's proably it |
| 03:11.41 | herlo | Zelut: I just assigned you a task |
| 03:11.44 | herlo | in HM |
| 03:11.46 | herlo | :) |
| 03:17.57 | Zelut | this is the latest available from mozilla - Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9b4) Gecko/2008030318 Firefox/3.0b4 |
| 03:18.18 | herlo | ya? I don't know... |
| 03:18.27 | Zelut | testing for it on this build.. |
| 03:18.44 | herlo | Zelut: here's the one I have |
| 03:18.46 | herlo | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9b5pre) Gecko/2008031714 Fedora/3.0-0.44.cvs20080315.fc9 Minefield/3.0b5pre |
| 03:18.48 | Zelut | still happens.. this is running from a fresh download from mozilla. |
| 03:19.45 | herlo | there must be a cvs repo somewhere you can get the nightly, but do you really wanna go down that road? |
| 03:20.27 | Zelut | well i want to figure out why I still have the bug but synic seems to have fixed it. |
| 03:22.08 | herlo | hrm, dunno, guess you'll have to ask synic :-/ |
| 03:22.26 | Zelut | herlo: task finished |
| 03:22.56 | herlo | Zelut: cool |
| 03:23.25 | herlo | Zelut: what? No notes? |
| 03:24.49 | Zelut | synic: are you using compiz? |
| 03:25.01 | Zelut | herlo: nah |
| 03:25.53 | herlo | Zelut: bummer, I wanted to hear a full report! Ahh! The pain! |
| 03:29.13 | Zelut | twitter: I don't generally advertise bugs, but anyone want to offer feedback - http://tinyurl.com/3afgjx |
| 03:29.16 | Zelut | erg |
| 03:30.27 | Heartsbane | looks. |
| 03:32.16 | Heartsbane | That sounds annoying I don't have that issue |
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| 03:43.09 | Zelut | interesting, we found a fix for it but I would have never guessed. |
| 03:43.17 | Zelut | compiz on, no bug. compiz off, bug. |
| 03:45.51 | herlo | hmm, yeah, that's interesting |
| 03:47.27 | sontek | sounds like a gconf setting thats on in metacity but not in compiz |
| 03:49.10 | herlo | sounds like |
| 03:56.20 | Zelut | so now I have compiz going. cube on the EeePCftw |
| 03:56.28 | herlo | nice |
| 03:56.35 | herlo | needs to update his EEEPc |
| 03:59.35 | Zelut | are you still using fisher-price OS on there? |
| 04:00.50 | herlo | no, Eeedora |
| 04:01.06 | herlo | just haven't updated it in a while and I broke the wireless a while back... |
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| 04:48.48 | findlay | eeedora, that's funny |
| 04:55.00 | JJNova | This 5GB partition has been encrypting for 36 hours |
| 05:30.51 | Gate | -_^ |
| 05:31.21 | Gate | JJNova: are you creating an empty encrypted partition or encrypting existing files? |
| 05:40.08 | JJNova | empty |
| 05:42.50 | Gate | its frozen unless its a tape drive over a sneakernet |
| 05:45.33 | JJNova | well, I was informed that it might take a long amount of time if I did it this way |
| 05:45.47 | JJNova | $ sudo dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sdb2 bs=4K |
| 05:47.56 | Gate | that isn't "encrypting" thats shreading. |
| 05:48.14 | Gate | hm, /dev/random.... |
| 05:48.24 | herlo | JJNova: using /dev/random will take a *long* time, enjoy creating that entropy |
| 05:48.33 | herlo | :) |
| 05:48.34 | Gate | your problem is the TRUE random number generator |
| 05:48.40 | JJNova | My clicky finger is bleeding |
| 05:48.40 | Gate | use /dev/urandom instead |
| 05:48.57 | Gate | pseudo-random numbers but sufficient for that task |
| 05:48.57 | herlo | Gate: it depends on how random he wants the data to be |
| 05:49.09 | herlo | JJNova: are you using LUKS? |
| 05:49.11 | JJNova | as random as humanly possible. |
| 05:49.17 | JJNova | herlo- That's the plan |
| 05:49.24 | Gate | true, but he is shreding the drive, he could run 3 urandoms or more in the time 1 could get done with random in the best case |
| 05:50.05 | herlo | JJNova: I just recently wrote a doc explaining the modules and how to easily encrypt a partition in our Guru Labs security course. Its pretty cool stuff |
| 05:50.08 | Gate | JJNova: open a second tty and type |
| 05:50.26 | Gate | Type shakespear, go online with elinks, just create whitenoise on the keyboard |
| 05:50.48 | herlo | JJNova: I don't think you really need to have /dev/random, that seems like overkill to me. just use shred, then dd with /dev/urandom |
| 05:51.14 | JJNova | Well, you don't know what I am hiding............... |
| 05:51.28 | JJNova | shakespear: command not found |
| 05:51.52 | herlo | JJNova: you can only hide so much data, but the /dev/urandom is only prepping the disk, not securing anything |
| 05:51.55 | Gate | heh, JJNova put the dd line in a *loop* and you can wipe the drive many times. I would urandom, zeros, ones, urandom |
| 05:55.33 | JJNova | so, you guys are implying that even if I was planning on storing the sequence instructions for launching all nuclear weapons simultaneously, urandom would be just as effective as random ? |
| 06:13.38 | Gate | I would use many, many, many versions of urandom |
| 06:13.51 | herlo | :) |
| 06:14.04 | Gate | ONE overwrite is not secure, no matter how random the bits themselves are |
| 06:14.22 | Gate | zeros, ones random zeros ones random, pick a pattern and repeat it |
| 06:14.23 | herlo | JJNova: the point isn't what source you use, its the fact that you do it many times to erase the old bits |
| 06:14.57 | herlo | the more writes you do, the more the old data will be unrecoverable |
| 06:15.05 | JJNova | well there is no old data on it. |
| 06:16.16 | herlo | JJNova: is it a new drive? |
| 06:16.17 | Gate | I think DOD is 70 writes |
| 06:16.22 | herlo | nope, 25 |
| 06:16.24 | Gate | why are you doing this again? |
| 06:16.58 | JJNova | I'm following steps |
| 06:17.00 | herlo | Gate: that is, unless they've updated their standard since I last read them a year ago |
| 06:17.27 | herlo | JJNova: if its a new drive, I'd just use shred once with something like this |
| 06:17.31 | Gate | it was OSX that had a 70 writes option! |
| 06:17.34 | herlo | shred -z -n 25 /dev/sdb2 |
| 06:17.43 | herlo | and be done with it |
| 06:18.05 | herlo | then you can move onto your cryptsetup |
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| 12:58.17 | Zelut | you guys realize we're talking about 'technical' levels of security. |
| 12:58.32 | Zelut | unless you think a crypto expert is going to try and recover data from your box I think zero is adequate. |
| 12:59.08 | Zelut | I don't think you or I, with the tools we currently have, can recover much data from a zero'd drive.. |
| 12:59.20 | Zelut | and that's again assuming that someone is actually going to try and recover it. |
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| 13:53.55 | Yorokobi | haha, the Libertarian Party of Utah doesn't want "Super Dell" as a candidate in their party: http://tinyurl.com/2wj55w |
| 13:56.46 | Yorokobi | My, what wisdom does Super Dell share with the world: http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=412322 |
| 13:56.55 | Yorokobi | and : http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695262406,00.html |
| 13:57.13 | Yorokobi | Good morning, everyone! |
| 14:01.05 | Zelut | wow that guy is really cracked |
| 14:03.04 | Zelut | "It's too bad that all of the media in Utah are liars and murderers," |
| 14:03.20 | Zelut | "You just destroyed the greatest computer company of all time. We were the best in the world, the world champion. All this hatred was created by you. You're basically angels of Satan." |
| 14:03.37 | Zelut | man, I'm voting for that guy! |
| 14:14.53 | Yorokobi | My personal favourite: "Schanze, who wanted to know what a homophobe was, says heâs not." |
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| 14:40.40 | d33d | Anyone around? |
| 14:45.41 | Yorokobi | Everyone is d34d here |
| 14:51.56 | d33d | synic, ping |
| 14:52.25 | d33d | Who made up the Drupal? |
| 15:11.10 | sontek | d33d: synic set it up and installed the theme |
| 15:12.02 | d33d | I was curious to know if anyone would be against the new phpbb forum and use that on the drupal instead of what's currently there. |
| 15:13.06 | sontek | does phpbb support integration with drupals authentication system? |
| 15:13.14 | sontek | having to create 2 users for the same site is sily |
| 15:13.16 | sontek | silly* |
| 15:13.35 | Zelut | I still wonder why we need a forum when we have dedicated space on ubuntuforums |
| 15:13.50 | d33d | well that also. |
| 15:13.57 | d33d | I believe so. |
| 15:14.23 | d33d | it integrates with joomla! so why not drupal i guess.. |
| 15:15.05 | sontek | Zelut: I agree with that as well, because then the whole community benefits |
| 15:15.13 | d33d | I'm just putting in my 2 cents saying that if we do have a forum on the drupal site, then why not make it phpbb (ajax) based is all. Its pretty. lol. |
| 15:16.34 | d33d | Does anyone know how long ago Atheros drivers were included into the packages with ubuntu? |
| 15:16.52 | Zelut | d33d: new nick? |
| 15:16.59 | d33d | huh? |
| 15:17.18 | d33d | Zelut, what did it used to be? Must be new i guess. |
| 15:17.47 | Zelut | aren't you roundyT1 |
| 15:18.02 | d33d | lol yeah, but I never go by that because that's what Xmission calls me. |
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| 15:18.24 | d33d | its just what I've been given as an account name. |
| 15:19.07 | d33d | Virtualbox isn't working on my vista machine, this is making me upset. |
| 15:20.01 | d33d | But anyways, I put the Beta CD into my Toshiba and to my amazement it didn't freeze up and break like it did with 7, actually had it running off live. There still may be hope for my horrible vista machine. |
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| 15:31.42 | sontek | Zelut: your latest blog links to 5-A-Day wrong |
| 15:32.26 | Zelut | blog or email? |
| 15:32.40 | sontek | blog |
| 15:32.52 | sontek | its https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day with a capital A |
| 15:33.24 | Zelut | where am I linking to 5-a-day in my blog? |
| 15:35.04 | Yorokobi | I think he means the email. |
| 15:36.45 | encryptz | yeah. no need for forums on the drupal site. http://utah.ubuntuforums.org should be it |
| 15:37.06 | encryptz | adds his 2¢ late |
| 15:38.14 | synic | removes the forums from the drupal site |
| 15:38.54 | Zelut | synic: maybe a link to the ubuntuforums, so something is still available |
| 15:39.00 | synic | yeah |
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| 15:44.35 | sontek | synic: did you figure out that gstreamer bug on Ubuntu? |
| 15:45.41 | synic | it works on Hardy. Just not Gutsy. |
| 15:45.50 | synic | also, the segfault on exit is in fact fixed in Hardy. |
| 15:46.03 | sontek | nice |
| 15:46.30 | sontek | I have exaile up for review to be packaged in openSUSE |
| 15:46.40 | sontek | will you be making a new release soon? |
| 15:46.54 | synic | There was one made on Tuesday |
| 15:47.09 | sontek | With the gstreamer detection fix? |
| 15:47.40 | synic | no, it was in feature freeze already. |
| 15:48.02 | sontek | the current detection method won't work on suse, unless you want to add libgstflump3dec.so to the check |
| 15:48.25 | synic | yeah, there will have to be a patch in the package or something. |
| 16:00.43 | nearn | I blam you guys for the snow this morning. |
| 16:00.44 | nearn | that is all. |
| 16:01.56 | encryptz | ~blame nearn |
| 16:01.57 | jbot | ACTION blames nearn (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 16:03.35 | sontek | nearn: I was so scared of the snow I didn't go to work today! |
| 16:03.41 | encryptz | ~drink Heartsbane and sontek |
| 16:03.42 | jbot | drinks Heartsbane and sontek in one swig, turns blue, green, and ultraviolet, and then vomits Heartsbane and sontek across the room |
| 16:03.44 | synic | example of connecting different bugs to different projects in launchpad: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/exaile/+bug/188702 |
| 16:03.45 | sontek | nearn: so it wasn't me! |
| 16:04.27 | nearn | lise! |
| 16:04.54 | nearn | err LIES!* |
| 16:05.31 | encryptz | heh |
| 16:05.34 | sontek | synic: whats the difference between the bug Exaile and exaile? |
| 16:06.10 | synic | one is the ubuntu package |
| 16:06.26 | synic | which won't be marked as "fix released" until Ubuntu releases 0.2.12 |
| 16:06.32 | synic | or if they create a patch or something. |
| 16:07.44 | sontek | thats a really nice feature |
| 16:08.01 | synic | yeah |
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| 17:10.04 | synic | Zelut: re: compiz. Yes. |
| 17:11.00 | Zelut | synic: realized that is where the bug falls in.. |
| 17:11.18 | synic | hrmm? |
| 17:11.37 | Zelut | turning off compiz has the bug, turning on compiz removes the bug. |
| 17:11.51 | synic | lame |
| 17:11.51 | Zelut | so its in the difference in how metacity vs compiz handle the virtual desktops I guess. |
| 17:12.00 | Zelut | ...but it only happens for FF, not for epiphany or others. |
| 17:12.10 | synic | weird |
| 17:12.22 | synic | good thing compiz is much less sucky on Hardy |
| 17:12.31 | Zelut | so now I'm running the spinnin' cube on my EeePC lol |
| 17:12.46 | synic | wow, what graphics card does the EeePC have? |
| 17:13.39 | Zelut | intel 915 integrated |
| 17:14.12 | Zelut | Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 04) |
| 17:14.33 | synic | I still have yet to see an EeePC in person |
| 17:14.42 | Zelut | I love mine |
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| 17:15.14 | herlo | synic: that's because you had to go last meeting :( |
| 17:15.42 | synic | yeah, my bad. |
| 17:15.51 | herlo | lol, nw |
| 17:18.31 | sontek | the eeepc has the same graphics card as my laptop :P |
| 17:19.24 | herlo | yeah? cool |
| 17:19.51 | Zelut | eeepc ftw! |
| 17:20.29 | sontek | If you want carpal tunnel! |
| 17:20.48 | Zelut | dvorak ftw! ;) |
| 17:22.58 | nearn | not typing like a noob ftw! |
| 17:27.24 | Yorokobi | recovering the feeling in your fingers because Dvorak doesn't cause tendonitis ftw! |
| 17:28.25 | findlay | ftw ftw! |
| 17:29.04 | synic | ok, I noticed there's a "widget layer" plugin for compiz... are there widgets? |
| 17:43.53 | JJNova | yes |
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| 19:20.32 | atoponce | meh |
| 19:20.48 | atoponce | so, i rebooted my server, only to have serious networking issues. and now, i don't have my irssi |
| 19:21.14 | Zelut | figured something broke. I don't like to reboot my sparc unless I have physical access because I had something similar happen once. |
| 19:22.17 | atoponce | i got a bunch of "autonegotiation eth0 failed, link not present?" garbage on STDOUT, or something like that |
| 19:22.52 | atoponce | i tried walking my wife through it, but couldn't it running |
| 19:22.57 | atoponce | guess i'll have to wait until i get home |
| 19:24.13 | Zelut | yeah, that sounds like what I had. |
| 19:24.25 | Zelut | never did figure it out but I had to bring up/down some devices as I remember |
| 19:30.41 | atoponce | i think i'm going to have to use ethtool to turn of autonegotiation, and set duplex and speed manually |
| 19:30.57 | atoponce | which means i'll have to wait until i get home |
| 19:31.14 | atoponce | funny thing is, i don't remember going through all this pain when i first brought up the box |
| 19:36.41 | Heartsbane | nearn: did you enjoy my snow |
| 20:11.35 | mheath | atoponce: Maybe you changed router settings? |
| 20:13.09 | nearn | Heartsbane thin ice buddy. |
| 20:13.58 | atoponce | mheath, i think it's related to a kernel module update |
| 20:14.40 | Heartsbane | :) |
| 20:15.43 | mheath | that could do it too. |
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| 20:20.59 | atoponce | i did, afterall, boot into kernel 2.6.23 from 2.6.18 |
| 20:21.16 | atoponce | which was the whole reason for the reboot |
| 20:21.41 | mheath | I once coded a bunch of scripts that controlled rebooting after updates to prevent things like this |
| 20:22.00 | atoponce | how would you prevent something like this? |
| 20:22.06 | mheath | It would run some test conditions after the server rebooted - the most notable being, in this situation - pinging an external source. |
| 20:22.16 | mheath | If the ping failed, it would rollback the updates temporarily and reboot under the old kernel, etc. |
| 20:22.20 | atoponce | i mean, how would you know that there was module update for my eth0 driver? |
| 20:22.43 | mheath | atoponce: It depended on a lot of other things. It was part of a server-friendly distribution I was working on at the time. |
| 20:22.45 | synic | Zelut: another note, I didn't have compiz enabled for the new user, so new users also don't have the bug |
| 20:22.52 | mheath | That control mechanism was built into the package manager. |
| 20:24.35 | mheath | atoponce: The concept, I thought, was quite effective at preventing situations like this. |
| 20:27.22 | atoponce | mheath, do you still have that script? i would be interested in taking a look at it |
| 20:30.30 | mheath | atoponce: Not anymore :( |
| 20:30.34 | mheath | And I kind of miscategorized it |
| 20:30.45 | mheath | It was a bit more than a script - it was one component of a test framework |
| 20:30.59 | mheath | Things that routinely checked various services, made sure things were working as they were supposed to, etc. |
| 20:31.52 | atoponce | i'm curious how it would've handled my eth0 autonegotiation problems |
| 20:32.16 | atoponce | every service started successfully, even though eth0 couldn't get resolved |
| 20:32.24 | mheath | atoponce: It had a script in the test framework where, after rebooting from a major update, an outside source was pinged |
| 20:32.33 | mheath | You'd configure it to ping google, or your router, or whatever |
| 20:32.41 | mheath | To assure you had connectivity |
| 20:32.54 | mheath | Well, that was after every reboot, actually. |
| 20:32.56 | atoponce | and if you didn't, it would boot into the old kernel? |
| 20:33.15 | mheath | atoponce: Yes, it would rollback updates since things were last measured as working correctly, and reboot. |
| 20:33.27 | atoponce | so, it would need to modify /boot/grub/menu.lst? or remove the kernel package? |
| 20:34.29 | atoponce | i assume that this framework was debian/ubuntu specific |
| 20:35.15 | mheath | atoponce: it was for a custom operating system I was working on. A custom distro. |
| 20:35.21 | mheath | BUt yes, it was specific to that distro |
| 20:35.59 | mheath | The testing framework was part of a custom package manager I was using on, which was loosely based on Debian's dpkg. |
| 20:36.38 | mheath | atoponce: It would signal the package manager to rollback to a a particular checkpoint |
| 20:36.50 | Gate | noooooo! my permanent self is DEAD! |
| 20:36.52 | mheath | The package manager kept track of what had been installed/altered/reconfigured since that checkpoint. |
| 20:37.51 | mheath | It would uninstall them. The uninstall process for a kernel would in this case remove the grub menu.lst entry, and the reinstall (or reconfiguration) of the older kernel would add its entry back. |
| 20:38.12 | mheath | It was a bit more complex than that (for example, in how it handled custom configuration options), but thats basically it. |
| 20:39.19 | mheath | atoponce: And I never finished it all the way. |
| 20:39.27 | mheath | It was a big undertaking, for a complication project |
| 20:39.36 | Zelut | synic: maybe I should append that to the bug report. |
| 20:40.13 | mheath | It did two big things I've never seen before in a distro: 1) An elaborate testing framework like this, that checked everything routinely, 2) A central configuration framework for all services |
| 20:40.29 | Zelut | atoponce: so I've installed 1.2 but now it won't identify my account. |
| 20:41.06 | atoponce | i seem to remember having issues with that, but i can't recall what i did to solve it |
| 20:41.45 | Zelut | atoponce: wilmer is suggesting reverting and seeing if the data is still valid for 1.1.1dev.. but I don't really feel like doing that just now. |
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| 20:42.46 | atoponce | Zelut, all your contacts are stored on the respective servers, so you can safely delete /var/lib/bitlbee/*.*, removing the accounts, then re-registering with bitlbee, and re-adding accounts |
| 20:42.58 | atoponce | Zelut, however, you will lose all your custom conventions |
| 20:43.05 | Zelut | atoponce: yeah, but that sounds a pain when my config is actually still intact. |
| 20:43.09 | atoponce | such as contact names, jabber settings, etc |
| 20:43.24 | atoponce | well, you don't modify /etc/xinetd.d/bitblee |
| 20:43.32 | Zelut | the user.xml is still there.. its just not validating with any password I know. |
| 20:43.32 | atoponce | that i didn't touch, and it was fine |
| 20:43.43 | atoponce | yeah. it's the xml files that i removed |
| 20:43.51 | atoponce | i believe that is what i ended up doing |
| 20:43.59 | Zelut | all I changed was make clean, make uninstall & then ./configure; make; make install the new version. |
| 20:44.36 | Zelut | the original .xml is still in /var/lib/bitlbee/.. I guess I can start over but I remember having this issue everytime I upgrade. |
| 20:46.58 | Zelut | ,--8<- |
| 20:46.58 | Zelut | |Version 1.2 (released 2008-03-17) hilights: |
| 20:46.58 | Zelut | | |
| 20:46.58 | Zelut | |* See 1.1.1dev and 1.1dev (Jabber module rewrite, Jabber groupchats, better (and more secure) file format for user data, ForkDaemon mode). * Yahoo! support in this release will hopefully still work next month. |
| 20:47.02 | Zelut | `-->8- |
| 20:47.11 | Zelut | doesn't really look like 1.2 added much I didn't already have in 1.1.1dev. |
| 20:47.47 | atoponce | it has better user management than 1.1.1dev did, and better jabber muc support |
| 20:49.13 | Zelut | well I guess I'll start over.. *grumble* |
| 20:49.21 | atoponce | at least that is what wilmer on oftc said |
| 20:49.36 | atoponce | meh. whatever. i was all about stable versus development, so i upgraded |
| 20:49.45 | atoponce | didn't seem like much of a pain though, when i did it |
| 21:03.35 | Heartsbane | wow I actually was asked to install yelp-dbgsym for my bug |
| 21:03.53 | Heartsbane | never done that before |
| 21:04.02 | Heartsbane | cool |
| 21:04.12 | atoponce | Heartsbane, you're cool |
| 21:04.28 | Heartsbane | Hey first stab at this 5 a day stuff |
| 21:04.30 | Zelut | hardcore |
| 21:07.19 | sontek | files a bug against Heartsbane |
| 21:12.20 | Heartsbane | sontek: the whole package is broken, nothing worth salvaging |
| 21:13.47 | sontek | ~fork Heartsbane |
| 21:13.48 | jbot | ACTION creates an identical Heartsbane, but with a different id |
| 21:17.12 | sontek | Zelut: you going to LugRadio live? |
| 21:17.30 | Zelut | sontek: nah, I have an oddly-timed family reunion that week |
| 21:17.45 | sontek | Linux is your family! |
| 21:18.38 | Zelut | tell that to my mom when my brother gets home from his mission that week.. |
| 21:18.42 | synic | ooh, more pink emails on the ubuntu utah mailing list |
| 21:19.28 | atoponce | "pink" emails? |
| 21:19.30 | Zelut | nudges atoponce do remove that account from the member list. |
| 21:19.49 | atoponce | looks in his gmail spam-- oh, there it is |
| 21:22.04 | nearn | hly batman, my pants are vibraiting more then michael jacksons special bed. I really need to filter the ubuntu email from reaching my phone. |
| 21:22.10 | nearn | holy* |
| 21:22.46 | Heartsbane | you liked it |
| 21:22.47 | herlo | nearn: s/brait/brat/g |
| 21:22.54 | herlo | :) |
| 21:23.15 | nearn | heh |
| 21:23.17 | nearn | maybe. |
| 21:23.20 | nearn | NOT |
| 21:23.39 | nearn | Ok, I lie. Shut it. |
| 21:23.52 | atoponce | are all the emails from oumarsonko@hotmail.com? |
| 21:23.56 | atoponce | the pink ones, that is? |
| 21:26.00 | nearn | who-ha! |
| 21:29.56 | atoponce | ok. pink email subscriber successfully removed from the list |
| 21:30.05 | atoponce | and permanently banned |
| 21:30.10 | herlo | yay! |
| 21:30.16 | fizz | atoponce: did you fix my stuff on the list? |
| 21:30.23 | atoponce | fizz, crap! no. |
| 21:30.25 | atoponce | does that now |
| 21:30.29 | fizz | grrrrr. |
| 21:30.35 | fizz | stabs busy people :) |
| 21:31.49 | atoponce | fizz, they were auto-discarded, because your email wasn't subscribed. resend please. :) |
| 21:32.48 | fizz | ok. |
| 21:33.46 | atoponce | thank you |
| 21:43.57 | fizz | did that one go through. i updated a couple of the parts we don't have. |
| 21:44.47 | nearn | http://dongs.com/ (work safe) |
| 21:44.51 | tapH20guru | what's up with the ubuntu wiki these days? |
| 21:45.05 | nearn | fizz: part list me. |
| 21:45.17 | atoponce | tapH20guru, what do you mean? |
| 21:45.17 | fizz | mailing list brosef |
| 21:45.23 | nearn | and no I will not read the email. |
| 21:45.27 | tapH20guru | wel.. now that I say that it's back |
| 21:45.35 | tapH20guru | the wiki theme was changing |
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| 21:45.42 | tapH20guru | nevermind... |
| 21:45.49 | atoponce | :) |
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| 22:32.04 | Hunding | thanks for the tutorials Zelut; they are a real time saver!! |
| 22:32.34 | Zelut | Hunding: no problem. I was actually thinking of building a firefox search tool to directly search my blog :) |
| 22:34.06 | Hunding | Zelut: you need a google appliance :) |
| 22:34.50 | Zelut | Hunding: or that too |
| 22:35.32 | Hunding | Zelut: prices only start around $80K...chump change for a guy like you |
| 22:36.45 | Zelut | Hunding: hey, no problem. pfft |
| 22:37.16 | Hunding | actaully you can get a mini for >10K |
| 22:41.53 | sontek | I love openSUSE's alphas, they aren't like other distros, they rip things apart :P |
| 22:42.25 | sontek | I've got a page of notes and i'm not done installing yet, lol |
| 22:42.29 | herlo | sontek: oh really? I'd say that Fedora rips things apart and puts them back together again for sure |
| 22:42.59 | sontek | herlo: yeah, I haven't tried their alphas yet, their betas were pretty decent though (f8's was)) |
| 22:43.21 | herlo | yeah, betas rock, f9beta just release |
| 22:43.22 | herlo | d |
| 22:43.44 | sontek | I decided to take the plunge and install alpha 3 on my main laptop |
| 22:43.55 | sontek | after using the installer, i'm scared for my laptop :P |
| 22:44.03 | herlo | sontek: yeah, I did F9 Rawhide about 2 months ago. Painful at the time, but better now |
| 22:44.37 | sontek | anything new in F9? |
| 22:44.42 | herlo | lots |
| 22:44.43 | sontek | hows online desktop working out? |
| 22:44.54 | sontek | suse is tossing around the idea of including it in 11 |
| 22:44.58 | sontek | nothing has been decided though |
| 22:45.02 | herlo | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList |
| 22:45.16 | herlo | sontek: there's the planned list, other cool things got in too |
| 22:45.17 | sontek | Can't look at that yet, still installing :P |
| 22:45.22 | herlo | sontek: haha |
| 22:45.43 | herlo | god will be available, but not installed by default as it was in 8 |
| 22:46.35 | sontek | were there things wrong with it? or people just not like it? |
| 22:46.43 | sontek | I haven't even got to see it outside of screenshots |
| 22:47.12 | herlo | I think its just not where gnome wants to go yet. Its definitely an interesting feature. but xulrunner needs to be more integrated |
| 22:47.24 | herlo | among other bug fixes |
| 22:47.40 | sontek | well, xulrunner190 just got blessed |
| 22:47.51 | sontek | its supposed to be a lot better |
| 22:47.54 | herlo | yeah, I know. i'm excited. We'll see how it goes |
| 22:48.17 | herlo | we're making bets at GL that RHEL6 will be based upon F10 though |
| 22:49.04 | sontek | how many releases do the usually wait? |
| 22:49.21 | herlo | its every 18-24 months so between 3 aand 4 |
| 22:50.06 | herlo | last rhel came out Mar 07 |
| 22:50.24 | sontek | so they have awhile |
| 22:50.40 | sontek | I don't follow sles releases at all |
| 23:12.13 | sontek | Zelut: so does fedora use gksu? |
| 23:12.39 | Zelut | sontek: I dunno |
| 23:15.56 | sontek | hmm, so you ever tar up your config files and important documents that are on your desktop/home dir |
| 23:16.05 | sontek | and mean to scp them to your server |
| 23:16.22 | sontek | and then realize you forgot to half way through your install? |
| 23:16.28 | Zelut | yep |
| 23:16.37 | sontek | ... i'm so mad now |
| 23:16.48 | sontek | I needed those files :P |
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| 23:17.11 | sontek | oh well, guess i'll get rsync up on my server finally :P |
| 23:17.31 | Zelut | i've done that enough that critical data is rarely ever on my machine |
| 23:17.41 | Zelut | i save those to s3, my usb or my remote server. |
| 23:17.51 | Zelut | a desktop is a terrible place for critical data :) |
| 23:18.27 | sontek | Thats actually the first time in my life that I didn't backup my data before a format :P |
| 23:18.46 | sontek | and I wipe my machine quite often =) |
| 23:18.57 | Zelut | bbiab - heading back to the hotel |
| 23:20.31 | sontek | grrr, I can't believe I did that |
| 23:20.40 | sontek | I was to excited about installing openSUSE 11 :P |
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