| 00:02.13 | mheath | Well, that was annoying |
| 00:02.21 | mheath | THe partitioner crashed, taking my NTFS partition with it |
| 00:02.33 | mheath | And the LiveCD doesn't have fsck.ntfs on it. |
| 00:03.23 | mheath | It's discouraging to have to reboot into Windows to unbreak my computer. |
| 00:16.49 | mheath | And now it's frozen again. |
| 00:21.00 | mheath | well, maybe not. ntfsresize is doing something, but doesn't report progess to the progress window |
| 00:57.05 | mheath | So this is scary |
| 00:57.13 | mheath | It's been working for about an hour now. |
| 00:57.17 | mheath | What's it doing? |
| 01:02.11 | mheath | Finally done. Took 1 hour. |
| 01:46.02 | mheath | This has been a nightmare. |
| 01:46.20 | mheath | I really can't believe I'm having this experience with a LTS release of Ubuntu thats weeks away from release. |
| 01:46.43 | mheath | It nearly killed my hard drive, twice, during the install. |
| 01:46.50 | mheath | The LiveCD system froze up several times, too. |
| 01:47.06 | mheath | Updating after the install finished has been broken |
| 01:47.22 | mheath | a simple apt-get upgrade has spewed out error after error while trying to configure packages. |
| 01:47.42 | mheath | And I had to run 'apt-get upgrade' because the GUI Update manager is broken |
| 01:48.02 | Heartsbane | my only complaints have been with compiz.real |
| 01:48.09 | Heartsbane | other than that |
| 01:48.25 | mheath | this has seriously been the most nightmarish process I've ever had with any Linux distro. |
| 01:48.35 | mheath | It's just...problem after problem after problem. |
| 01:49.55 | Heartsbane | screams 'Get it together man, we can't let it be the end of the world' |
| 01:49.58 | Heartsbane | :) |
| 01:51.27 | mheath | heh. |
| 01:55.25 | mheath | Well, I rebooted after updating |
| 01:55.31 | mheath | That successfully killed my graphics |
| 01:55.38 | mheath | I'm stuck in 640x480 |
| 01:55.56 | mheath | and the screen resolution dailog is broken, so I can't get it up to anything higher. |
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| 02:21.18 | mheath | Hmmm. |
| 02:21.32 | mheath | OK, today seems like it was just a bad update day to be trying out Hardy. |
| 02:21.36 | mheath | Lots of nasty issues, apparently. |
| 02:28.08 | Heartsbane | lies |
| 02:34.37 | peno | agreeds |
| 02:39.03 | Heartsbane | s/agreeds/agrees/g |
| 02:39.50 | peno | meh |
| 02:39.56 | peno | effort, i lack it. |
| 02:40.33 | mheath | Agrees about the 'lies' or the nasty issues? |
| 02:40.41 | mheath | If you can exert the effort to respond to that question, that is. |
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| 05:41.46 | mheath | Incase anyone cared, a few new updates in the last few hours fixed my problems :) |
| 05:41.54 | mheath | Things are working great now. |
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| 14:50.01 | tristanbob__ | mheath, I'm waiting for the final release so that I can avoid most issues |
| 14:50.55 | tristanbob__ | my experience with dual-booting and resizing windows partitions is that it takes a long time |
| 14:51.20 | tristanbob__ | I think it took 2 hours for my fathers PC - I was a little worried when it took that long, but it finally finished correctly |
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| 14:53.38 | mheath | tristanbob__: Same here, but I've never had that issue before. |
| 14:53.47 | mheath | I resized a partition in Gutsy, and it took just a few minutes. |
| 14:54.21 | mheath | I'm kinda surprised by the rockyness of Hardy, given its so close to release |
| 14:54.33 | mheath | I thought it would be in more of a freeze - theres been over 30 package updates in the last 12 hours. |
| 14:55.20 | Zelut | they are all fixes. its still in a feature-freeze. |
| 14:55.36 | Zelut | we're bustin ass fixing all the bugs, which have to be applied via package updates. |
| 14:56.23 | mheath | Zelut: Still scared me....I got most of the wrinkles out, but I had a nightmarish process installing and updating it yesterday |
| 14:56.49 | mheath | I just said that because, while its still Beta, I would have expected it to be more complete/usable for a LTS thats just weeks from release |
| 14:57.04 | Zelut | we've still got three weeks. we're working on it. |
| 15:01.28 | mheath | True. |
| 15:01.29 | mheath | *shrug* |
| 15:01.33 | mheath | I'm liking it, though. |
| 15:01.51 | mheath | The new kernel scheduler + other fixes makes my system noticably more responsive |
| 15:05.00 | herlo | mheath: package updates aren't a bad thing this close to a release, what you don't want is new versions, only security and bug fixes :) |
| 15:06.23 | mheath | herlo: true, and thats what it was. |
| 15:08.27 | mheath | Hmm, I always forget - whats the packagename you need to install to be able to theme Compiz? |
| 15:08.57 | Yorokobi | emerald, perhaps? |
| 15:09.56 | mheath | ah, thats it |
| 15:12.29 | herlo | me:) |
| 15:12.42 | herlo | http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/468406 |
| 15:13.38 | Heartsbane | oh |
| 15:13.44 | herlo | :) |
| 15:14.24 | herlo | Heartsbane: utos.org/ has an announcement as well |
| 15:15.30 | Heartsbane | cool |
| 15:16.21 | tristanbob_ | I wonder if it will be a trend that fedora and ubuntu release parties are combined |
| 15:16.33 | tristanbob_ | it would be good for fedora, and probably good overall for linux |
| 15:16.56 | mheath | grr, why is gnome-look.org so SLOW? |
| 15:17.02 | Heartsbane | as long as fedora keeps paying for it :) |
| 15:17.09 | Heartsbane | mheath: its a conspiracy |
| 15:17.20 | herlo | tristanbob_: it will be for Utah if I have anything to do with it :) |
| 15:18.30 | Heartsbane | anyone know where rhythmbox stores its info main the config files? |
| 15:18.30 | Heartsbane | off the top of your head |
| 15:22.03 | herlo | Heartsbane: nope |
| 15:24.22 | mheath | herlo: Yes, part of that distablize-ubuntu, slow-down-gnome-look conspiracy! |
| 15:25.04 | herlo | mheath: uh, okay |
| 15:25.29 | mheath | ;-) |
| 15:25.41 | mheath | oh, I see why you were confused |
| 15:25.49 | mheath | I meant to say that to Heartsbane. |
| 15:32.32 | sontek | Heartsbane: people don't use rythmbox, its just for appearance, install banshee or exaile! |
| 15:32.51 | peno | sontek: heartsbane isn't people |
| 15:35.17 | bigfox | I use Rythmbox |
| 15:36.39 | Zelut | +1 for exaile |
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| 15:41.37 | Heartsbane | sontek: I might rethink and use banshee or exaile |
| 15:45.20 | bigfox | I am trying Exaile now. I tried Banshee a while ago and didn't like it. Rythmbox does have some annoying aspects to it. |
| 15:48.16 | bigfox | I am noticing Exaile has the ability to have more then one music library file. Not bad. |
| 15:48.36 | bigfox | I'll play with it for a while to see if I like it. |
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| 17:46.25 | Zelut | synic: ok, I have that weird import error again.. |
| 17:46.38 | Zelut | synic: heading out to lunch now, figure it'll take that long for you to respond ;) |
| 18:12.45 | tapH20guru | woah ... ubunutu live is $645... wow |
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| 18:13.48 | fizz | $645? huh. |
| 18:13.57 | tapH20guru | i hope the loco discount is cheap |
| 18:14.02 | tapH20guru | https://en.oreilly.com/ubuntu2008/public/register/ |
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| 19:13.08 | Zelut | tapH20guru: still better than OSCON at $2k! |
| 19:13.17 | tapH20guru | < whistle > |
| 19:13.20 | tapH20guru | wow |
| 19:15.32 | Zelut | tapH20guru: last year the LoCo discount came down to $100, but it was fairly last-minute. |
| 19:15.55 | tapH20guru | i guess I'm not gonna go |
| 19:16.25 | Zelut | I'll keep an eye out for discounts but I'm not too worried as I'm registered as a presenter anyway.. |
| 19:18.47 | Zelut | synic: I had to go into Library Manager and manually remove the bad folder and then re-scan collection. |
| 19:33.19 | tapH20guru | Zelut: as a presenter what benefits do you get? travel? food? |
| 19:34.11 | Zelut | tapH20guru: I think travel is only covered for the keynotes. As far as I'm aware it is free-registration and the good 'ol respect of my peers :) |
| 19:34.23 | tapH20guru | lol ... cool |
| 19:36.19 | Zelut | I think there is some food benefits and a private area for presenters, but I'm not too concerned with those. |
| 19:36.36 | Zelut | I'll get my company to fly me there and back and I have a place to stay with relatives anyway. |
| 19:36.42 | tapH20guru | and what are you presenting about? |
| 19:38.42 | Zelut | http://en.oreilly.com/ubuntu2008/public/schedule/speaker/5711 |
| 19:39.14 | Zelut | just basically showing how simple it is to setup "enterprise" services with Ubuntu LTS. |
| 19:43.59 | tapH20guru | throw the "enterprise" word around and you're bound to get invited to speak at a con |
| 19:45.57 | Zelut | I tried to avoid it--its a dirty word around ubuntu. |
| 19:46.23 | Zelut | last year there were a lot of suites so I figured something like this'd make them happy and maybe get more commercial support for canonical. |
| 19:47.26 | Zelut | I guess kind of showing "look, we can do all the "enterprisey" stuff RHEL can do, and its way easier" |
| 19:49.29 | Yorokobi | suites or suits? |
| 19:49.32 | tapH20guru | true true |
| 19:49.46 | Zelut | suits, sorry :) |
| 19:50.34 | Zelut | although, sadly, a week into my trial of Landscape (Canonicals answer to the RHN) I'm not impressed at all. |
| 19:50.51 | Zelut | I've reported more bugs than I've got things done, and I'm only managing 4 machines. |
| 19:58.21 | herlo | Zelut: didn't you get approved to present at Ubuntu Live though? |
| 19:58.46 | Zelut | herlo: though? yeah, that's what we've been talking about. |
| 20:02.54 | herlo | Zelut: well, sorry to inform you, but I don't actually watch your every move :) |
| 20:03.09 | herlo | Nice to see you on the docket for UL though :) |
| 20:03.43 | Zelut | herlo: nice to be on a conference list that isn't put on by a co-worker lol |
| 20:05.48 | herlo | haha, yeah, but were you a co-worker last year? |
| 20:05.54 | herlo | can't remember |
| 20:06.41 | Zelut | yes |
| 20:06.52 | Zelut | I've been at GL a year now and UTOS was last Sept. |
| 20:08.24 | herlo | okay, cool... |
| 20:08.34 | herlo | UTOSC will be bigger and better *this* year! |
| 20:11.14 | Zelut | wonders if he should use his UL presentation or something else at UTOSC |
| 20:14.37 | herlo | either way :) |
| 20:16.16 | Zelut | herlo: when do nominations for Mr. Awesome open? |
| 20:17.47 | herlo | Zelut: soon, I'm trying to get it announced :) |
| 20:23.36 | herlo | heads home |
| 20:37.18 | findlay | ~home herlo |
| 20:39.40 | Zelut | runs 'mv herlo ~herlo/' || echo "Herlo can't go home!"; exit 1 |
| 20:40.09 | Yorokobi | exit with error, huh? |
| 20:40.10 | Yorokobi | :) |
| 20:40.25 | Zelut | have to be thorough |
| 20:41.26 | Zelut | or more thoroughly: [ -d ~herlo/ ]; then mv herlo ~herlo/ || echo "Something broke! PANIC!"; exit 1 |
| 20:42.22 | Zelut | I'm glad we don't have any perl mongers in here that'd try to trump that with some unreadable three-character perl script. |
| 20:43.35 | Yorokobi | I think it'd be at least 4 characters :) |
| 20:44.27 | Zelut | perl == ASCII vomit && unreadable |
| 20:44.51 | Zelut | which I couldn't say in #utah aka plug aka Perl Lovers User Group |
| 20:44.55 | Yorokobi | Zelut, you need to use Perl; |
| 20:45.32 | Yorokobi | It is quite readable. |
| 20:46.22 | findlay | ~read perl |
| 20:49.46 | encryptz | heh |
| 20:49.51 | encryptz | perl. readable. |
| 20:50.48 | encryptz | i like what randy munroe said at google: python is executable pseudocode. if so, then perl is executable line noise. |
| 20:51.59 | Yorokobi | The irony here is that perl uses natural language syntax where possible. English language syntax at that. |
| 20:53.32 | encryptz | $, {, }, @, ;, etc are hardly english |
| 20:54.06 | Zelut | maybe I've seen one too many perl one-liners |
| 20:55.22 | Yorokobi | perhaps I should s/syntax/grammar/ :) |
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| 21:22.44 | findlay | Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus is readable |
| 21:22.49 | findlay | or is it not readable? |
| 21:23.30 | findlay | because it is not readable on grunds as simplistic as python's does that nullify all utility and import of the language? |
| 21:23.39 | findlay | s/grunds/grounds/ |
| 21:24.19 | findlay | I don't think it is reasonable to dismiss a language just because it's not 'readable' |
| 21:24.44 | findlay | programmers have such a narrow view of the world :-) |
| 21:39.00 | encryptz | oh, i haven't dismissed it. as long as larry wall remains god of perl, it will remain a used language |
| 21:39.25 | encryptz | and his daughters will continue to be saught out be nerds worldwide |
| 22:02.27 | findlay | that doesn't sound very convincing |
| 22:03.10 | findlay | and practicality don't usually go together |
| 22:04.09 | mrpull | encryptz: what's special about wall's daughters? |
| 22:05.01 | findlay | mrpull: are you going to make it to the Plug meeting this month? :-) |
| 22:05.13 | mrpull | Wednesday the 9th? |
| 22:05.18 | findlay | yeah |
| 22:05.20 | mrpull | I'll be in NC |
| 22:05.36 | findlay | :( |
| 22:05.39 | mrpull | it seems the months I'm not traveling plug gets canceled |
| 22:05.49 | findlay | silly plug |
| 22:07.22 | mrpull | holy geeze larry wall's website is BAD |
| 22:08.05 | Zelut | mrpull: I'd say that's reason #1 not to trust perl right there |
| 22:08.29 | mrpull | then again, I was seeking pictures of these sought after daughters |
| 22:08.45 | mrpull | but seriously. have you seen the site? |
| 22:09.18 | Zelut | thats awul |
| 22:09.20 | Zelut | *awful |
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| 22:09.42 | sjansen | All hail Perl! |
| 22:10.22 | herlo | mrpull: you and Zelut should hang out, he'll be in Raleigh |
| 22:10.43 | Zelut | herlo: in three weeks or so encryptz and I will both be there yet again. |
| 22:11.06 | mrpull | there another #utah'er/plug'er that lives out there now |
| 22:11.15 | mrpull | working for redhat... I forget who |
| 22:11.29 | mrpull | Zelut: may not remember, but I ran into him at RDU a few months back |
| 22:11.43 | mrpull | I recognized him from plug, but he didn't know me |
| 22:12.24 | Zelut | mrpull: ohh, now it all connects. I remember that. |
| 22:12.33 | Zelut | mrpull: my flight was incredibly late |
| 22:13.44 | mrpull | I may be up for a geek dinner when I'm in town |
| 22:14.02 | sjansen | Grant? Evan? |
| 22:14.08 | mrpull | evan |
| 22:14.11 | mrpull | that's the one |
| 22:14.17 | mrpull | I was drawing a blank |
| 22:14.29 | mrpull | is grant out there now? |
| 22:14.37 | mrpull | I'm in NC about 2 weeks a quarter |
| 22:20.53 | Zelut | I'll be in Raleigh next week and again at the end of the month |
| 22:21.00 | Zelut | ..and I was just there two weeks ago. |
| 22:21.11 | Zelut | racks up the Delta miles. Platinum baby! Ohh yeah! |
| 22:34.27 | mrpull | Zelut: how do you like the new Delta menu's? the turkey bacon croissant is pretty good. |
| 22:34.45 | Zelut | mrpull: I've had some good ones and some bad ones. |
| 22:35.01 | Zelut | mrpull: still airplane food any way you look at it :) |
| 22:35.45 | mrpull | I'll take it when it is free |
| 22:35.52 | Zelut | of course |
| 22:38.03 | mrpull | so does delta's site b0rk on you in firefox? |
| 22:38.23 | mrpull | most times for me it splits into two columns |
| 22:38.29 | mrpull | just tested it right now in FF3 |
| 22:38.33 | mrpull | FF2 is the same |
| 22:44.59 | herlo | Zelut: why both you and encryptz ?? |
| 23:00.57 | tapH20guru | is it better to use useradd or adduser on SuSE 10.2 |
| 23:01.52 | tapH20guru | nevermind |
| 23:01.59 | sontek | WHAT?! |
| 23:02.04 | tapH20guru | adduser doesn't exist |
| 23:02.25 | sontek | yeah, useradd > * |
| 23:05.31 | sontek | airplane food better than my cooking! |
| 23:07.05 | herlo | true that |
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