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| 01:54.39 | findlay | herlo: you don't want me working with you, trust me |
| 02:07.37 | herlo | findlay: okay! |
| 02:10.19 | findlay | I'd probably log into your workstation and replace background with trogdor or something |
| 02:10.29 | findlay | so, that's why |
| 02:25.27 | Zelut | herlo: just read the PTO email. nice! |
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| 03:01.26 | mheath | I wish I could find a desktop theme I like :( |
| 03:01.42 | mheath | Finally found a non-mac-like Emerald theme I really like, but now I can't find a GTK theme that fits with it |
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| 03:51.14 | Technoviking | evening all |
| 04:07.14 | mheath | Hey |
| 04:07.36 | mheath | Hmmm.....anyone know of a way to replace-in-place a package? |
| 04:07.43 | mheath | Thats an odd way to word it, but... |
| 04:07.56 | mheath | I have a custom version of libgtk2.0-0 installed right now. |
| 04:08.20 | mheath | Because of its version number, none of the package managers thing the official ubuntu libgtk2.0-0 are suitable to use for 'reinstalling' it |
| 04:08.43 | mheath | And I can't 'remove' it then 'install' it, as ubuntu-desktop and half the system depend on it, and that'd break everything |
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| 04:36.06 | Technoviking | mheath: does dpkg have a force option? |
| 04:36.15 | mheath | I got it to work, actually |
| 04:36.32 | mheath | Yes; I had to use a combination of Force and reinstalling |
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| 13:19.15 | Zelut | pfft. what a weirdo |
| 13:24.20 | peno | indeed |
| 13:31.17 | Sir_Brizz | anyone around? |
| 13:34.13 | Sir_Brizz | nm |
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| 16:36.39 | Hunding | not sre if anyone else is having an issue, but the latest kernel really messed with my system. I could not even get the recovery mode to work |
| 16:36.51 | Hunding | had to revert back to the previous version. |
| 16:46.39 | Technoviking | Hunding: there are missing modules, stick with -15 for now |
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| 16:47.50 | Hunding | Technoviking: never understood why so many kernels were kept...until now :) |
| 16:49.30 | Technoviking | Hunding: :) |
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| 19:38.38 | agentc0re | Hello all, I'm trying to learn more about Ubuntu's upstart init system. Where's some good documentation about it and how it can be integrated with custom scripts and such? |
| 19:54.10 | encryptz | right now, the full potential of upstart has not been taken advantage of. it's still running in backwards compatibility mode with sysvinit |
| 20:05.56 | bigfox | I've written a few Upstart startup scripts. One for getting a dumb terminal working with a login prompt, and the other to set the resolution on a PS3 to something usable as that system's video controller is a bit strange. |
| 20:06.17 | bigfox | I learned how by studying the existing scripts in /etc/event.d |
| 20:06.51 | bigfox | Once you have created your upstart script, it only needs to be in /etc/event.d to work. |
| 20:15.28 | findlay | encryptz: how hard is it to migrate a batch of initscripts to upstart? |
| 20:16.05 | findlay | if that's what is preventing them from using the full capability |
| 20:17.14 | bigfox | I've only wrote 2 very simple upstart scripts and I have never tinkered with initscripts, so I couldn't help you there. |
| 20:20.26 | herlo | how does one get the release image for ubuntu? |
| 20:20.36 | herlo | nm |
| 20:21.01 | herlo | check out http://www.utos.org/ |
| 20:21.08 | herlo | new images with countdown data :) |
| 20:24.38 | findlay | ~countdown |
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| 20:44.59 | thenetduck | 4 those about to rock, I solute you |
| 20:45.43 | herlo | thenetduck: salute! |
| 20:45.50 | herlo | ~salute thenetduck |
| 20:45.51 | jbot | ACTION shows thenetduck how to count in binary on his fingers... then stops conspiciously on the number 4 |
| 20:46.31 | thenetduck | hehe |
| 20:47.18 | herlo | depending on how you count on your fingers, two conspicuous fingers equal 132 |
| 20:48.49 | thenetduck | do you know what I don't get. I don't get why Xfce's desktop's are using GTK just like Gnome, yet gnome still hasn't managed to get ride of the black outline boxes when minimizing windows... |
| 20:49.04 | thenetduck | just doesn't make sense.. then again most things don't anymore |
| 20:50.51 | herlo | thenetduck: I'm unsure of what you refer, I use gnome all the time, and do not see black outlines around boxes when minimizing |
| 20:51.32 | thenetduck | when you minimize a window.. you don't see the black lines .. it's really fast |
| 20:51.40 | thenetduck | not a big deal |
| 20:51.44 | thenetduck | but bugs me |
| 20:51.51 | thenetduck | are you running 2.2 ? |
| 20:53.11 | herlo | yes |
| 20:53.21 | herlo | I'm on Fedora Rawhide (development) |
| 20:54.17 | thenetduck | sweet so it sounds like they might have fixed that then ... awesome |
| 20:54.31 | thenetduck | herlo do you like rpm better than deb? |
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| 21:15.10 | herlo | thenetduck: rpm, yes |
| 21:15.55 | thenetduck | hum |
| 21:16.03 | Technoviking | Hardy updates are killing me today:) |
| 21:16.27 | herlo | thenetduck: deb doesn't do multilib support, but its not a bad architecture |
| 21:16.36 | thenetduck | I think im going to give zenwalk a try |
| 21:16.41 | thenetduck | what's multilib support? |
| 21:16.48 | thenetduck | and how does that effect the install? |
| 21:19.06 | thenetduck | also have you heard of the new rpm5 |
| 21:21.21 | herlo | thenetduck: multilib support allows one package to be built for multiple library structures. In other words, x86 and x86_64 libraries are kept in different places. With RPM, one could build an rpm that will determine where to put libraries based upon the architecture |
| 21:21.47 | thenetduck | ooooo |
| 21:21.57 | herlo | thenetduck: I've not yet seen rpm5, what is that? |
| 21:22.31 | thenetduck | I read it in a linux journal. It's a fork from the RPM group that is suppose to be way better |
| 21:22.43 | herlo | thenetduck: yeah, so with deb, two packages have to be built, one for x86 and one for x86_64. Think of the number of architectures out there and how many packages must be maintained now |
| 21:22.46 | thenetduck | not offically adopted by RPM yet |
| 21:22.54 | herlo | right, probably won't be for a long time |
| 21:23.19 | herlo | RPM is a bit archaic, but its so integrated into the system that it will take some seriously good reasons to remove it |
| 21:23.22 | thenetduck | ya because they said Redhat needs to support their clients for 10 years |
| 21:23.28 | herlo | at least |
| 21:24.11 | thenetduck | So what you are saying is that you can just create one RPM that will handle all archs.. that makes sense. I wonder why .deb isn't doing something like that |
| 21:24.35 | bigfox | Won't that make the package download larger? |
| 21:24.43 | herlo | it has more to do with the fact that RPM and DPKG are very integrated into the systems they support and have been for many years. People will change if its warranted, RPM5 will have to really prove itself |
| 21:24.43 | thenetduck | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.16 | herlo | bigfox: a little bit, but not that noticeable |
| 21:25.22 | herlo | something like 100k |
| 21:25.37 | bigfox | Ah |
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| 21:25.45 | herlo | libraries are generally very well constructed, written with an intent of being small and provide a basic functionality |
| 21:25.59 | herlo | welcome Claud-SLC :) |
| 21:27.09 | thenetduck | herlo: how do you install rpm in fedora |
| 21:27.17 | thenetduck | from the repo i mean |
| 21:27.48 | herlo | yum |
| 21:27.59 | herlo | thenetduck: its the equivalent to aptitude or apt-get |
| 21:28.13 | herlo | it resolves dependencies just like apt does |
| 21:28.35 | bigfox | Sounds yummy. |
| 21:28.50 | herlo | IMO, yum is more flexible than apt, but aptitude does have some cool features, like auto-completion that are better than yum |
| 21:29.07 | bigfox | Sorry, I'll were a brown bag on my head for an hour. |
| 21:30.50 | herlo | bigfox: huh? |
| 21:31.16 | bigfox | As punishment for the bad joke I made. |
| 21:31.17 | herlo | nothing wrong with liking other technologies, I do it all the time. There are many things I like about Ubuntu. |
| 21:31.55 | herlo | bigfox: oh, I see. Yes, you must also run around backward while wearing that bag, screaming "I'm a silly banana!" |
| 21:32.03 | herlo | for the entire hour! |
| 21:33.27 | thenetduck | does fedora use YaST |
| 21:35.06 | Technoviking | thenetduck: nope |
| 21:35.24 | thenetduck | what does it use? |
| 21:37.46 | Technoviking | various tools |
| 21:38.38 | thenetduck | wait.. yast is the equiv to yum? |
| 21:39.33 | peno | same concept |
| 21:41.37 | herlo | thenetduck: it uses system-config-* for configuration |
| 21:41.48 | herlo | there's one for network, display, date, etc |
| 21:42.11 | herlo | thenetduck: no, yast is *not* the equivalent to yum. YaST is an abomination that needs to be replaced! |
| 21:42.14 | herlo | IMO |
| 21:42.20 | thenetduck | lol |
| 21:42.42 | thenetduck | I was just checking out openSuse |
| 21:43.10 | thenetduck | I don't get what the difference between openSuse is and Suse Enterprise Edition |
| 21:51.43 | herlo | thenetduck: one is the community version updated every 8 months SLES is the commercial version updated about once every 2yrs |
| 21:52.06 | thenetduck | riiight |
| 21:52.42 | thenetduck | i might give fedora a go |
| 21:52.53 | herlo | thenetduck: let me know if I can help |
| 21:53.08 | thenetduck | ok.. I am going to buy a R61 Lenovo :) |
| 21:53.27 | thenetduck | put it on that |
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