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| 00:28.05 | herlo | so the meeting is streaming at http://stream.utos.org |
| 00:51.37 | herlo | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-2.en.html <-- Grub2 |
| 01:26.22 | sontek | grub2 is a fairy tale |
| 01:26.30 | sontek | don't let anyone tell you otherwise |
| 01:26.38 | sontek | tell him not to cough into the mic! ouchiiieees |
| 01:27.16 | sontek | herlo: get out the eeepc and get skype up with video |
| 01:27.58 | sontek | I hear Heartsbane giggling |
| 01:29.07 | peno | someone must have told him a funny joke, since he never giggles |
| 01:29.21 | herlo | sontek: not on the eeps |
| 01:29.23 | herlo | eeepc |
| 01:29.43 | sontek | tell him to password protect grub! |
| 01:30.31 | peno | passwords?? what are you some kind of security freak!? ;) |
| 01:30.33 | sontek | yay, now i'm part of the meeting |
| 01:30.37 | sontek | dances |
| 01:30.40 | herlo | lol |
| 01:30.44 | peno | ~cookie sontek |
| 01:30.52 | sontek | o-/-< o-|-< o-\-< |
| 01:31.48 | sontek | ~literal cmd: cookie (.*?) |
| 01:43.04 | sontek | http://sontek.net/aaron.png |
| 01:43.07 | sontek | I made a picture! |
| 01:46.07 | herlo | lol |
| 01:46.58 | sontek | you're welcome! |
| 01:47.49 | sontek | is he going to cover upstart in this? |
| 01:48.02 | sontek | did he just say inittab? |
| 01:48.05 | sontek | oh, ok, hes on debian |
| 01:48.13 | sontek | I was like 'ubuntu doesn't have inittab!' |
| 01:51.03 | sontek | fight fight fight! |
| 01:51.29 | sontek | i'm listening to aaron in my boxers |
| 01:52.04 | herlo | lol |
| 01:52.13 | herlo | we're gonna talk about upstart at the end... |
| 01:55.11 | herlo | sontek: how's the sound? |
| 01:55.24 | sontek | its like i'm right there! |
| 01:55.27 | sontek | except when he coughs |
| 01:55.32 | sontek | thats really loud |
| 01:57.35 | herlo | yeah, I figured that :) |
| 01:58.28 | sontek | in opensuse, for single user, our inittab does ~~:S:respawn:/sbin/sulogin |
| 01:58.57 | sontek | thats basically the same thing as doing the grub password, isn't it? |
| 01:59.01 | sontek | or is there a way around it? |
| 01:59.55 | herlo | sontek: no, that's sulogin, which is a login requirement after init starts |
| 02:00.09 | sontek | I know, but its basically the samething |
| 02:00.11 | herlo | grub password is prior to booting to the kernel and init |
| 02:00.15 | herlo | no, its not |
| 02:00.20 | sontek | because it still requires a password before they can do any damage |
| 02:00.21 | herlo | its a different protection |
| 02:00.46 | herlo | well, but at GRUB, I can do different things... |
| 02:01.28 | herlo | and you are right about SUSE, but they also don't allow you to change your password unless you use rescue boot media, which is a big pita. Though the security is probably better that way... |
| 02:01.55 | sontek | yeah |
| 02:02.23 | sontek | It is annoying when you need to fix something, but I think having it there is nice when you know users will have physical access |
| 02:02.50 | herlo | wel, except it doesn't really prevent anything |
| 02:03.59 | sontek | Its just one extra layer, having to get a livecd/mount device/etc is a little longer than doing '1' in the grub menu :P |
| 02:04.09 | herlo | agreed |
| 02:04.31 | sontek | but for anyone who needs that type of security, its probably no help :P |
| 02:04.43 | sontek | I like it because we like to play pranks at work |
| 02:04.54 | sontek | so it delays me getting goatse'd ;) |
| 02:06.52 | sontek | ubuntu has chkconfig? |
| 02:07.26 | herlo | sort of |
| 02:07.34 | herlo | its called sysv-rc-conf or something |
| 02:12.11 | sontek | herlo: stop heckling! |
| 02:12.23 | herlo | no |
| 02:14.47 | herlo | :) |
| 02:15.22 | sontek | personal stuff?!! |
| 02:15.40 | sontek | what file is he editing? |
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| 02:16.22 | herlo | he tells you |
| 02:17.14 | sontek | suse only has rc.d |
| 02:17.34 | sontek | oh wait, under rc.d they have rc1-6 and S |
| 02:23.30 | sontek | fedora 9 has upstart? |
| 02:23.34 | sontek | by default? |
| 02:24.09 | linuxalien | What's cookin? |
| 02:24.14 | linuxalien | nm, what's up? |
| 02:26.51 | sontek | troubleshooting challenge was fun :) |
| 02:27.15 | Zelut | sontek: fedora 9 now comes with upstart, yes. |
| 02:27.41 | sontek | nice, I didn't know they made the switch |
| 02:29.14 | sontek | do I get to telecommute the after party too? |
| 02:29.21 | herlo | lol |
| 02:29.49 | sontek | I'd come but I lost my wallet :P |
| 02:29.54 | sontek | gotta wait for my new cards to come |
| 02:50.14 | peno | is enjoying a new LCD TV thanks to sontek's missing wallet..er. |
| 02:55.07 | peno | is in trouble.. wife wants a dog |
| 02:57.06 | sontek | I recommend bully blue kennels, they make massive pitbuls |
| 02:57.09 | sontek | 100+ pounds |
| 02:57.29 | peno | dog will weigh almost more than she does.. |
| 02:57.45 | sontek | it'll be awesome =) |
| 02:57.52 | peno | you're biased. :) |
| 02:58.06 | peno | pitbull is bigger than she wants |
| 02:58.27 | sontek | my only rules for dogs is they have to be big enough not to fit in a purse |
| 02:58.33 | sontek | rule* |
| 02:58.37 | peno | oh hell no |
| 02:58.54 | peno | if it's smaller than the cat, it won't live here. :) |
| 03:08.00 | sontek | I think kobe is about as small as I'd go |
| 03:08.07 | sontek | hes around 40lbs |
| 03:08.09 | sontek | knee eye |
| 03:08.16 | sontek | wyatt is 85lbs |
| 04:25.11 | bmac2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.19 | bmac2 | that those you you listening couldn't see |
| 04:25.23 | bmac2 | including the commands |
| 04:25.39 | bmac2 | so send an email to bmac2@maildragon.com asking for them and I will forward them to you |
| 04:28.57 | Heartsbane | thanx |
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| 05:45.33 | atoponce | sontek: sorry for my coughing |
| 05:47.30 | sontek | thats ok! It was just loud on the mic, the audiophiles need to tweak their systems to balance jumps in tone |
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| 06:13.21 | thenetduck | freak |
| 06:41.23 | bmac2 | herlo ping |
| 06:42.13 | bmac2 | sontek, what was the website for the open source conference? |
| 06:42.17 | bmac2 | I always forget that |
| 06:43.32 | bmac2 | I found it |
| 06:43.34 | bmac2 | nevermind |
| 06:43.37 | bmac2 | thanks anyway |
| 06:55.59 | herlo | utosc.com |
| 06:56.03 | herlo | lol |
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| 09:56.08 | ninjabuntu | So I've started my first blog. I think I may actully make it a series from the newbies point of view. Prolly not original but what the heck. Thanks for the welcome last night... See y'all next month... |
| 09:59.38 | Gate | hi ninjabuntu :) |
| 09:59.57 | Gate | apparently can't sleep and is suprised to see someone else this late |
| 10:05.52 | ninjabuntu | Gate: YO |
| 10:06.01 | ninjabuntu | Yeah I'm a Night Owl... |
| 10:07.23 | ninjabuntu | I was actully suprised I actully could understand the Topic, I'm going to have to say, last nigt... |
| 10:07.55 | Gate | Where is your blog? |
| 10:08.19 | Gate | I slept for 12 hours last night, got up a 3 pm, *that* is why I can't sleep |
| 10:09.41 | ninjabuntu | It tought it was going to be... Deep and hard to totally grasp, but Really, Aaron was really quite gentel to the poor newbie on the frount out left side of the class room... My Blog? It's on the http://utah.ubuntu-us.org blog area... |
| 10:09.54 | ninjabuntu | I just couldn't think of a better place... |
| 10:10.18 | ninjabuntu | I usally can't sleep more then 4 hours... I try and try But I just can't/// |
| 10:11.17 | Gate | I usually go for 6 hrs/night. But this week took it out of me for some reason |
| 10:12.12 | Gate | ninjabuntu: don't feel lonely, if we aren't newbs anymore we were at some point :) |
| 10:12.21 | ninjabuntu | you know? I would have to agree wit you there. for some reason for my self as well, This weak has beaten me senseless... |
| 10:12.26 | ninjabuntu | LOL |
| 10:12.33 | ninjabuntu | Totally... |
| 10:13.19 | Gate | I had never seen a running Linux desktop install 3 years ago. Now the guys at work are calling me the "Linux Expert" |
| 10:13.55 | ninjabuntu | My Blog is to remind the elite that newb are not on the same level... you can jsut spout out a bunch of commands and exspect us to know what they said with out a bit more detail and ow what they are doing and why... |
| 10:14.00 | Gate | of course, I am but a padawan compared to some of the ppl in this room |
| 10:14.43 | Gate | yeah, the arrogance parts per competence can be quite high sometimes |
| 10:14.51 | Gate | ;) |
| 10:14.55 | ninjabuntu | I'm there buddy... I'm so there... I feel a Feeble and elpless as a kitten in a room full of Clingy toddlers... |
| 10:15.03 | Gate | hahahaha |
| 10:15.09 | ninjabuntu | lol |
| 10:15.21 | ninjabuntu | a preview of next weeks post... |
| 10:15.23 | ninjabuntu | lol |
| 10:16.21 | ninjabuntu | I think the title shall be... The Newbie File: i am as Feeble as a Kitten... |
| 10:16.33 | ninjabuntu | so something like that... |
| 10:17.51 | ninjabuntu | but I knew i was in for a long hard ride when i first installed a duel boot then blew away my windows and decided to finally free my self from windows for ever... |
| 10:17.52 | Gate | weird thing to me is: I used windows since 3.1->XP for 15 years or so before ever seeing linux, and a taste of linux then Windows is more obscure-feeling. |
| 10:18.40 | ninjabuntu | I was DOS/3.1 to Vista Back to XP and finally sick of the monthly reinstalls... |
| 10:18.58 | Gate | thank God I knew better than to install Vista |
| 10:19.08 | ninjabuntu | me |
| 10:19.14 | ninjabuntu | I was told... |
| 10:19.21 | ninjabuntu | my boss... the lady... |
| 10:19.56 | ninjabuntu | told me... We're installing Vista... I said noooos... then we watch as with out uman assistance... Vista hosed it self in a matter of days... |
| 10:20.04 | ninjabuntu | lol |
| 10:20.32 | ninjabuntu | no joke... i never touched it... She never touched it... and the boys didn't touch it... |
| 10:20.44 | ninjabuntu | it hosed it self in to an unrecoverable state... |
| 10:21.05 | ninjabuntu | and i use to be a Windows guy |
| 10:21.16 | ninjabuntu | I touted the gosple according to Bill... |
| 10:21.27 | Gate | I watched AdobePDF reader's update render a Vista install unusable and laughed at the poor pro-Windows bastard that had bought the laptop |
| 10:21.48 | ninjabuntu | Iouch... |
| 10:21.54 | ninjabuntu | wow ouch... |
| 10:23.32 | Gate | Of course, now that guy is back to saying how much he loves Vista |
| 10:23.55 | ninjabuntu | for the first time In a ver long time i feel like tat kid in 1993 who scapped all his money togather for a 486 66mz Turbo with a tandy Vga card and the doom 2 guys gun swaing... |
| 10:24.18 | ninjabuntu | man i threw alot of Paper back then... |
| 10:24.35 | ninjabuntu | I felt pretty feeble then too... |
| 10:24.37 | ninjabuntu | lol |
| 10:24.50 | Gate | I loved Doom 2! |
| 10:24.57 | ninjabuntu | Me too |
| 10:25.25 | Gate | My dad was basically an IT guy, built us a home network and my family would pound the heck out of each other |
| 10:26.30 | ninjabuntu | I loved Doom3 too but Doom 2 was the bomb... I saved all my pennies and bills... and Finally told my Dad... It's time... e thought super Nintendo... Nope I want a computer like you've been pusing me to get... |
| 10:26.35 | ninjabuntu | Ok ow much... |
| 10:26.44 | ninjabuntu | A year and a Half worth... |
| 10:26.59 | ninjabuntu | that was a nice system... and the last i bougt prebuilt... |
| 10:27.26 | ninjabuntu | since then it been build from constant upgrades... |
| 10:27.48 | ninjabuntu | my mom hated doom... |
| 10:27.52 | ninjabuntu | my dad and I |
| 10:28.02 | ninjabuntu | We'de frag echother when mom wasn't home... |
| 10:28.11 | ninjabuntu | lol |
| 10:28.30 | ninjabuntu | we still do... for an old guy he got some spooky moves... |
| 10:28.45 | ninjabuntu | but now we're miles apart... |
| 10:28.55 | ninjabuntu | good times... |
| 10:29.12 | ninjabuntu | you remember Commander Keen then... |
| 10:29.15 | ninjabuntu | i'm sure... |
| 10:30.12 | ninjabuntu | I was addicted to that... Wolfenstine3D started me in that area... We saw doom and well it was over... our goal piss off mom and make er freak out... |
| 10:30.40 | ninjabuntu | "But Mom teir not humans... Their Zombies...." |
| 10:30.47 | ninjabuntu | lol |
| 10:33.49 | ninjabuntu | Well Gate... It's been good taking a trip back to my childhood... thank you... Have a good night, I have a few game to load with synaptic... I love this method of grabbing software... |
| 10:34.01 | ninjabuntu | night... |
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| 17:57.23 | Gate | herlo: feature suggestion for conman. |
| 17:57.32 | herlo | Gate: put them on the website :) |
| 17:57.44 | herlo | http://code.google.com/p/utos-conman |
| 17:57.44 | peno | it has to make waffles. |
| 17:57.57 | herlo | we have bug tracking and feature request pages |
| 17:58.00 | Gate | the utos-conman on google |
| 17:58.04 | Gate | ? |
| 17:58.17 | herlo | peno: k, get to it, this is an open source project, we accept patches |
| 17:58.21 | herlo | Gate: yes, we host it there |
| 17:58.32 | peno | herlo: I need to research waffles first! |
| 17:58.57 | herlo | peno: k |
| 17:59.09 | peno | and syrup. |
| 17:59.18 | herlo | peno: in the open source community, we don't pay for research like they do in closed-source |
| 17:59.35 | peno | herlo: oh.. so I can't expense my waffle research to someone then? |
| 17:59.55 | herlo | peno: yourself :) |
| 18:00.17 | peno | well then i'll close source my findings! |
| 18:01.13 | Gate | done |
| 18:01.22 | herlo | k, find someone to pay for it now :) |
| 18:01.42 | peno | maybe I can find sontek's lost wallet! |
| 18:01.51 | herlo | Gate: I'll check it out |
| 18:02.06 | herlo | and feel free to submit more bugs, we're a beta project at best :) |
| 18:02.56 | herlo | Gate: assigned |
| 18:04.49 | Gate | Understood, is the current source publicly available ATM? I bet I could add this myself, assuming you didn't use some incredibly obscure language |
| 18:05.01 | Gate | suposes he could just *look* |
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| 18:09.25 | herlo | Gate: its also available at the same website |
| 18:09.32 | ninjabuntu | It's Dad's Day Y'alll!... My 7th and my dad's 28... And in being that I'm not the only son and/or father in this world, I would like to wish all you other father a Good one today as well... |
| 18:09.35 | herlo | check the 'source' link :) and yes, feel free to submit a patch... |
| 18:10.07 | ninjabuntu | gift Idea for my Dad... Ubuntu Desktop 8.04 LTS... |
| 18:10.37 | Gate | hahahaha, my father would say "is it *anything* like solaris? THEN KEEP IT" (we have already had this conversation) |
| 18:11.44 | Gate | wow, I haven't needed my laptop's web dev environment since I reinstalled it. No apache/mysql! |
| 18:11.52 | ninjabuntu | my dads been sick and tired of windows for a long while... been earing him gripe about, and been along side him griping for a good long time... I'm sure is too is ready to convert like me as well... |
| 18:13.34 | Gate | My dad keeps talking about the "good old VMS days" |
| 18:13.58 | ninjabuntu | ok I've said my peace, now It is time to get my Dad's day beers |
| 18:14.11 | ninjabuntu | VMS? Oh my goodness... |
| 18:14.25 | Gate | A very stable/solid OS from what I hear |
| 18:14.41 | Gate | of course, it was machine specific to their hardware |
| 18:14.57 | ninjabuntu | I wouldn't know... |
| 18:15.16 | ninjabuntu | but I know some one who would... |
| 18:15.20 | Gate | it was made by VAX |
| 18:15.34 | Gate | I think that was the company name, but I know that was the machine name |
| 18:15.45 | ninjabuntu | huh |
| 18:37.39 | ninjabuntu | i need to get prey to work on Ubuntu/Wine... |
| 18:43.32 | herlo | no you don't |
| 18:47.00 | ccjoe | VAX was the name of the computer, Digital Equipment Corp (DEC) was the company |
| 18:51.55 | Gate | Ah! someone in the know. |
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