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| 03:38.54 | thenetduck | wow |
| 03:40.55 | encryptz | eh? |
| 03:41.22 | thenetduck | oh nothing I just haven't been here for a while |
| 03:41.38 | thenetduck | also, checkbox are interesting... |
| 03:42.49 | encryptz | checkbox? |
| 03:54.16 | thenetduck | oh ya i figured it out |
| 03:54.20 | thenetduck | im making al ittle php app |
| 03:54.40 | thenetduck | and am trying to use checkboxes for a selection thingy |
| 03:54.50 | thenetduck | I really suck at css |
| 03:58.10 | herlo | thenetduck: practice |
| 03:59.22 | thenetduck | herlo, or... pay some dude in india 2 dollars :) |
| 03:59.30 | thenetduck | yes.. I agree |
| 03:59.35 | thenetduck | just my eye's hurt... |
| 04:03.12 | herlo | k |
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| 07:40.36 | fizz | home sweet home |
| 07:40.49 | fizz | defcon was awesome. |
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| 15:36.55 | herlo | fizz: glad to hear it |
| 15:37.43 | Zelut | i should make it one of these years |
| 15:38.24 | nearn | you should |
| 15:38.40 | nearn | this year was epic loads of awesome. |
| 15:39.59 | herlo | nearn: any presentation you'd like to see at UTOSC? I'm in the process of finalizing the volunteer schedule |
| 15:49.56 | nearn | I have not looked. |
| 15:50.16 | herlo | nearn: well, take soem time. pass it on to fizz as well |
| 15:50.22 | nearn | I forgot to ask you, I have work and stuff during the week days but I get off at 3:30 |
| 15:50.41 | nearn | so any time after that then let me know what you need help with |
| 15:51.10 | herlo | oh |
| 15:51.13 | herlo | crap |
| 15:51.26 | herlo | monkeywrench... |
| 15:51.35 | herlo | goes to adjust nearn's schedule |
| 15:51.48 | herlo | hey, that means you'll have to do some ambassador or setup/teardown, which would you prefer? |
| 15:52.03 | nearn | thanks. |
| 15:52.22 | nearn | what is ambassador? |
| 15:53.30 | herlo | a person who points peopl ein the right direction |
| 15:53.44 | herlo | http://wiki.utos.org/UTOSC2008/VolunteerPositions |
| 15:54.16 | herlo | damn, I'm good. I typed that out by hand |
| 15:54.29 | peno | ~beer herlo |
| 15:54.30 | jbot | ACTION deftly decants a fine Dogfishhead 90min IPA for herlo |
| 15:55.30 | herlo | mmmm |
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| 15:56.49 | nearn | setup/tear down would probably be best. |
| 15:56.59 | peno | volunteers to be the beer taster |
| 15:57.40 | nearn | I don't think you would want me to have a lot of interaction with people |
| 15:59.13 | peno | are you saying you're not a people person? |
| 16:01.33 | nearn | I can be, I just have a tendency to offend people. |
| 16:02.26 | peno | you're just an offensive something something something |
| 16:03.03 | herlo | nearn: you have a hard time saying, "its down there"? |
| 16:03.07 | nearn | what can I say except for something something with a something. |
| 16:03.32 | nearn | herlo: no, I just might added to it on accedent. |
| 16:03.37 | peno | not with a something?! |
| 16:03.45 | nearn | totaly. |
| 16:03.46 | herlo | nearn: k, setup/teardown it is |
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| 17:33.51 | encryptz | what would be nice? gnome having a pager similar to spaces on mac os 10.5 |
| 17:33.56 | encryptz | beautiful |
| 17:34.04 | encryptz | even if it is proprietary |
| 17:45.51 | Zelut | spaces ftw. i love the zoom out overview, which can't be done currently in gnome. |
| 17:47.28 | encryptz | and the ability to drag apps in that overview, complete with current screenshot |
| 17:49.31 | Zelut | yeah |
| 17:49.40 | Zelut | or rearranging the order of the spaces |
| 17:59.41 | mheath | What is spaces like? |
| 17:59.52 | mheath | I know that Compiz offers a lot of alternative pager options. |
| 18:04.02 | encryptz | mheath: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/spaces.html |
| 18:04.17 | encryptz | screenshot of the zoomed out view of your workspaces |
| 18:04.53 | encryptz | you can drag-n-drop the apps in that view, from one workspace to another |
| 18:05.21 | encryptz | rearrange the workspaces themselves, making workspace 4 workspace 1, for example |
| 18:05.24 | mheath | You can do something similar with compi |
| 18:05.26 | mheath | *compiz |
| 19:41.25 | Heartsbane | How is that different than grouping in Compiz? |
| 19:41.41 | encryptz | dunno. don't use compiz |
| 19:41.53 | Heartsbane | oh ok |
| 19:42.18 | encryptz | i'll find out |
| 19:43.04 | Heartsbane | does spaces know/remember where you left an application? |
| 19:43.35 | Heartsbane | that would be nice ... but everything else seems like grouping in compiz |
| 19:46.35 | encryptz | so, i'm testing the grouping feature of compiz, and i'm not seeing how to "zoom" like spaces |
| 19:48.38 | Heartsbane | what like Zoom up and have it take your whole window? |
| 19:48.55 | undertakingyou | anybody know an open source program that will open Microsoft Publisher files? |
| 19:49.33 | Heartsbane | no |
| 19:49.45 | Heartsbane | sorry |
| 19:49.48 | undertakingyou | Heartsbane: . . . nevermind |
| 19:49.52 | undertakingyou | thanks man :) |
| 19:51.52 | encryptz | Heartsbane: i see the expo plugin. is that it? that seems to give the ability to move windows from one desktop to the other |
| 19:52.02 | encryptz | not as polished, however. i bit "grainy" |
| 19:52.15 | encryptz | also, how to make virtual desktop 1 become virtual desktop 4? |
| 19:58.02 | Heartsbane | never tried that, making Desktop 1 become Virtual Desktop 4, why would that even be useful? |
| 19:58.36 | Heartsbane | Sorry I have a case of the mondays, so sorry if that came out kinda wrong |
| 19:59.12 | Heartsbane | but I think that it sounds 'not useful' |
| 20:00.53 | Heartsbane | But then again 75% to 85% of Compiz isn't useful, just a better interactive expirience |
| 20:01.40 | Heartsbane | the only thing in Compiz, Expo, Tab/Grouping, Zoom, and Ring Switcher |
| 20:02.11 | Heartsbane | the rest just eyecandy |
| 20:04.50 | nearn | Heartsbane: I am so sorry. |
| 20:08.46 | Heartsbane | nearn: for what it being monday? |
| 20:10.57 | encryptz | Heartsbane: useful or not, i'm just trying to see how compiz compares to spaces |
| 20:11.14 | encryptz | i want to see feature for feature, who wins out with most "cool" |
| 20:11.21 | nearn | no, for you missing out |
| 20:11.26 | nearn | are you at work? |
| 20:11.36 | nearn | if not I have a taste on what you missed. |
| 20:11.52 | encryptz | i still don't get grouping windows |
| 20:12.54 | nearn | windows grouping saved my life and my desktop |
| 20:13.20 | Heartsbane | nearn: no just got home, I do the farmer hours which keeps my interaction with people to minimum, saved your life wow |
| 20:13.25 | encryptz | yeah. how do you use the compiz plugin then? |
| 20:13.33 | encryptz | <super>g isn't going anything for me |
| 20:13.44 | Heartsbane | you must SELECT first |
| 20:13.48 | Heartsbane | <super>s |
| 20:14.29 | encryptz | ahh. i see |
| 20:14.30 | encryptz | weird |
| 20:14.39 | Heartsbane | select multiple windows of varying size, and then group |
| 20:15.14 | encryptz | yeah. |
| 20:18.09 | encryptz | after coming out of expo, my window is unusable, until i minimize it and then bring it back. annoying |
| 20:18.27 | encryptz | in fact, all windows on all desktops |
| 20:19.27 | Heartsbane | What I 'had' a tendency to do was keep about 4 terminal windows open, one to monitor and CLI to a server, one for IRC, one for another IRC (in a different screen name) and a finally one for CLI on the workstation, now I just <super>s then <super>t then to switch views <super>left or right arrow reduces the clutter |
| 20:20.45 | Heartsbane | encryptz: using the old Compiz Fusion 0.6.5? I had that as a bug Cntl-Alt then moving my mouse brought the focus back |
| 20:24.12 | encryptz | looks like i'm using 0.7.4 |
| 20:25.19 | encryptz | yeah. i lose focus completely. using your method isn't working for me |
| 20:25.40 | encryptz | coming out of expo that is |
| 20:25.42 | Heartsbane | Video card? |
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| 20:26.01 | Heartsbane | does it seem transparent? |
| 20:26.21 | Heartsbane | I have heard/seen screenshots of that as a bug |
| 20:26.56 | Heartsbane | encryptz: kinda looks like a transparent negative? |
| 20:26.59 | encryptz | no. no transparency. it seems i can type with my keyboard, and select with my mouse, but it doesn't update on the window, until minimize/maximize |
| 20:27.14 | encryptz | no. looks normal |
| 20:27.25 | Heartsbane | oh never heard of that |
| 20:28.16 | encryptz | that's ok. i just won't use expo |
| 20:28.32 | encryptz | it's not really the same anyway. would be nice if it went full screen rather than a "wall" |
| 20:30.05 | Heartsbane | ya there used to something like that in version 0.5.X but |
| 20:30.22 | Heartsbane | I haven't looked into it |
| 20:31.06 | encryptz | if i go in and out with <super>e, then it's fine |
| 20:31.19 | encryptz | it's just when i come out of expo by double-clicking the workspace with my mouse |
| 20:32.10 | Heartsbane | Video card? |
| 20:33.18 | Heartsbane | just the mouse? |
| 20:33.38 | encryptz | yeah |
| 20:33.39 | encryptz | intel |
| 20:33.45 | encryptz | seems grouping is doing the same thing |
| 20:34.38 | Heartsbane | hmmm... file a bug |
| 20:35.27 | encryptz | i'll google a bit, and see if anyone else is having the same issue |
| 21:14.29 | encryptz | ~seen sontek |
| 21:14.30 | jbot | sontek <n=sontek@opensuse/member/Sontek> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 11d 17h 30m 58s ago, saying: 'PC Cruelty!'. |
| 21:15.14 | herlo | sontek has left the building |
| 21:19.26 | encryptz | apparently |
| 21:19.35 | encryptz | did we frighten him away? |
| 21:24.04 | herlo | I doubt it. he is a suse nerd anyway |
| 21:24.36 | encryptz | yeah |
| 21:24.50 | encryptz | he's not on #utah, or #utahpython either |
| 21:25.51 | herlo | nope, he's gone |
| 21:25.56 | herlo | but I am sure he'll return soon |
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| 21:57.27 | herlo | anyone else having issues with google mail? |
| 22:01.04 | encryptz | what sort of issues? |
| 22:01.10 | encryptz | seems to be running smooth here |
| 22:03.18 | mrpull | herlo: gmail is good for me, but the web-o-sphere is all abuzz with complaints |
| 22:03.41 | herlo | k |
| 22:03.46 | herlo | thanks |
| 22:03.48 | mrpull | http://search.twitter.com/search?max_id=884545858&page=5&q=gmail |
| 22:04.44 | mrpull | if thousands are complaining, many thousands must be affected |
| 22:05.36 | herlo | yup |
| 22:05.37 | herlo | lots |
| 22:08.27 | mrpull | herlo: some are reporting that using the html interface helps |
| 22:08.28 | mrpull | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.39 | herlo | ahh, indeed |
| 22:08.47 | herlo | mrpull: yep, thx |
| 22:08.50 | mrpull | np |
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| 23:09.04 | encryptz | herlo: if this makes you feel any better: http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-08-12-n73.html |
| 23:09.45 | herlo | encryptz: oh, it does! |
| 23:10.03 | herlo | encryptz: but the html version works, so I am happy |
| 23:12.29 | encryptz | so does imap(s)/pop3(s) |
| 23:40.13 | herlo | couldn't use imap/pop at slcc though |
| 23:49.14 | encryptz | well, that's no good |