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| 23:05.31 | eightyeight | undertakingyou: no one wanted your opinion anyway. :) |
| 23:05.39 | eightyeight | ducks |
| 23:06.18 | undertakingyou | ha! |
| 23:06.21 | undertakingyou | :) |
| 23:06.38 | undertakingyou | Well, at least I now know that you read your emails. :) |
| 23:07.22 | undertakingyou | eightyeight: herlo sent this to me, but you may like to have it too: http://justuff.net/uslessology/application.html |
| 23:09.43 | eightyeight | heh. that's awesome |
| 23:10.08 | undertakingyou | I printed it out so we can have it on file. My wife just roled her eyes. |
| 23:12.38 | eightyeight | my wife: "what's T & A mean?" :) |
| 23:13.58 | eightyeight | ~lart undertakingyou and Heartsbane for top posting |
| 23:13.58 | infobot | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at undertakingyou and Heartsbane for top posting |
| 23:15.46 | undertakingyou | eightyeight: Top posting is natural and normal. |
| 23:15.53 | undertakingyou | Embrace it and your life will be better. |
| 23:16.04 | undertakingyou | hates bottom posting. |
| 23:17.22 | herlo | ew, I smell a war |
| 23:17.42 | undertakingyou | No, I am at peace with those around me. |
| 23:18.02 | undertakingyou | I know that eightyeight's opinion and my own can co-exist in peace and harmony. |
| 23:18.21 | undertakingyou | also points out that war does not smell. Death does, but not war. |
| 23:18.57 | herlo | I bet... |
| 23:18.58 | eightyeight | the opposite of war isn't peace, it's creation |
| 23:19.37 | eightyeight | undertakingyou: are you on the sllug list? i know Heartsbane is |
| 23:21.01 | undertakingyou | Yeah, but it auto archives so I don't read it much. |
| 23:21.02 | undertakingyou | Why? |
| 23:21.59 | eightyeight | http://www.sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/2009-March/011365.html |
| 23:23.09 | undertakingyou | ahh . . . |
| 23:23.42 | undertakingyou | I just hate having to sift through a bunch of quoted crap, some of which is ads for their email service and cute quotes, just to read the newest post. |
| 23:23.57 | undertakingyou | I can already see most of the conversation if I need to in the other emails. |
| 23:24.16 | eightyeight | the answer is trimming |
| 23:25.45 | undertakingyou | I thought I did that. I trim out all the work of sifting through that by top-posting ;) |
| 23:26.06 | eightyeight | heh |
| 23:28.10 | undertakingyou | I think the most convincing part is that there is an rfc that addresses it. |
| 23:28.37 | undertakingyou | Which says to summarize what you need to at the top and then add new information at the bottom. |
| 23:29.28 | eightyeight | there are appropriate times for top-posting, such as forwarding an email to an unexpecting recipient. summarize what is contained beneath, so they know what to expect |
| 23:29.42 | eightyeight | but, for threads, there just isn't a convincing reason to top post |
| 23:30.24 | undertakingyou | In mutt, <shift>o is just easy to type and then you can go on with your message. |
| 23:30.29 | Zelut | any trick to shrinking ext4 these days? |
| 23:30.35 | undertakingyou | Less key strokes that gg and then o. |
| 23:30.38 | eightyeight | however, in corporate environments where outlook is king, bottom posting just out of principle in a world where everyone top posts is paddling too much up stream |
| 23:30.48 | herlo | Zelut: I would guess resize2fs would/should support ext4 ?? |
| 23:31.32 | eightyeight | Zelut: i think the whole suite of ext2/3 tools also support ext4. after all, ext4 is just ext3 with extents and btree lookup |
| 23:31.39 | eightyeight | among other things |
| 23:32.13 | Zelut | so what is the proper syntax to shrink a 72G to 50G? What I'm trying isn't doing, so I was assuming it was an ext4 limitation |
| 23:33.34 | herlo | Zelut: have you not used resize2fs before? |
| 23:33.45 | undertakingyou | oh herlo that was cold |
| 23:33.50 | herlo | undertakingyou: why? |
| 23:34.05 | herlo | if he has, and it's not working, then it probably doesn't support it |
| 23:34.08 | Zelut | herlo: i've used it. just losing some things as i'm not teaching it so regularly. |
| 23:34.42 | herlo | undertakingyou: in addition, there was a program called ext2online which used to do the resizing, resize2fs is fairly new |
| 23:35.00 | Zelut | resize2fs /dev/FOO 50G ..? |
| 23:35.53 | eightyeight | ~man resize2fs |
| 23:35.54 | infobot | No manual entry for resize2fs |
| 23:35.58 | herlo | well, you have to do a fsc first methinks... |
| 23:36.04 | eightyeight | not a very smart infobot |
| 23:36.05 | herlo | if you are resizing down and |
| 23:36.09 | herlo | it can't be online |
| 23:36.28 | eightyeight | no. resizing must be done offline, and an e2fsck -f must be first |
| 23:36.34 | Zelut | this is in combination with LVM. extending is easy. shrinking has to be done offline or ro.. |
| 23:36.48 | herlo | right |
| 23:36.55 | Zelut | eightyeight: extending can be done online, shrinking offline or ro. |
| 23:37.11 | herlo | so /me assumes you've got the device unmounted |
| 23:37.21 | herlo | Zelut: I don't agree with the 'or ro' part of your statement |
| 23:37.31 | herlo | ro doesn't let you resize down on a filesystem |
| 23:37.49 | herlo | because it's read-only thus it can't be modified |
| 23:37.50 | Zelut | herlo: i seem to remember the RHEL class mentioning ro as an option while shrinking. |
| 23:38.24 | herlo | Zelut: maybe, but there are two many variables here that RHEL hasn't considered |
| 23:38.25 | Zelut | herlo: because a fsck needs to be done and we can't go adding files while we're dealing with that.. |
| 23:38.28 | herlo | one is a new FS |
| 23:38.39 | herlo | another is how ro reacts to the new FS |
| 23:38.50 | Zelut | herlo: of course the RHEL stuff doesn't include ext4, so that may be unrelated in this situation. |
| 23:39.05 | herlo | Zelut: I argue that taking it offline is the *best* choice |
| 23:39.08 | herlo | that's all I am saying |
| 23:39.23 | herlo | resize2fs [ -fFpPM ] [ -d debug-flags ] [ -S RAID-stride ] device [ size ] |
| 23:39.29 | Zelut | in any case, i rebooted to single user and did not mount /. i tried to shrink the fs prior to lvreduce. no joy. |
| 23:39.40 | herlo | resize2fs /dev/Blah 1G |
| 23:39.54 | herlo | you have to shring the fs first with that ^^ |
| 23:40.04 | herlo | then lvreduce, then vgreduce (if needed) |
| 23:40.17 | herlo | it's bottom up to extend, top down to reduce |
| 23:40.21 | Zelut | right |
| 23:40.31 | herlo | so resize2fs didn't work? |
| 23:40.35 | Zelut | let me try that again. i'll note the error i get and come back.. |
| 23:40.39 | herlo | k |
| 23:41.09 | eightyeight | Zelut: i always thought of it this way with repect to lvm: |
| 23:41.29 | eightyeight | lvm is a container with your filesystem inside. if you want more filesystem, you need to make the container bigger |
| 23:41.41 | eightyeight | if you want a smaller container, you better remove some filesystem first |
| 23:41.46 | eightyeight | like water in a bucket |
| 23:42.25 | undertakingyou | oh, nice analogy! |
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| 23:45.17 | Heartsbane | eightyeight == waterboy |
| 23:46.38 | eightyeight | that's fine. didn't bobby bouchet beat the livin' crap out of everyone that pissed him off? |
| 23:46.53 | Heartsbane | HAHAHA |
| 23:47.26 | Heartsbane | Now you are getting it |
| 23:47.27 | undertakingyou | I am waiting for him to fly through the air and beat you. |
| 23:47.28 | Heartsbane | hahaha |
| 23:47.50 | eightyeight | ~beat Heartsbane |
| 23:47.51 | infobot | ACTION relentlessly beats Heartsbane over the head with a Louisville Slugger |
| 23:47.57 | eightyeight | that'll work |
| 23:50.34 | Zelut | i got it to work. |
| 23:50.56 | Zelut | turns out i wasn't paying attention well enough in my previous attempt (must have been distracted by a kid) |
| 23:51.46 | herlo | heh, yeah that can happen |
| 23:51.56 | herlo | is usually drunk when he makes mistakes like that :) |
| 23:52.31 | Heartsbane | or atleast that is what you tell everyone |
| 23:53.25 | herlo | Heartsbane: no, that's what you tell everyone :) |
| 23:53.50 | eightyeight | ~drink herlo |
| 23:53.51 | infobot | drinks herlo in one swig, turns blue, green, and ultraviolet, and then vomits herlo across the room |
| 23:54.07 | herlo | wow! what a trip! |
| 23:54.26 | eightyeight | drinking does that to you? i thought that was weed man |
| 23:55.35 | Zelut | herlo: i remember a time you tried to LVM while drunk. that was... successful. |
| 23:55.43 | herlo | not |
| 23:55.55 | herlo | now points to the reference he made about configs and drinking |
| 23:55.56 | herlo | :) |
| 23:57.34 | Zelut | so i got the resize to work, what still stumped me though is removing those 20G all the way down to the pv level. |
| 23:57.44 | Zelut | i think i should try this after the baby is asleep this is not going to wokr. |
| 23:58.11 | eightyeight | Zelut: are you taking out a drive? |
| 23:58.21 | eightyeight | if so, pvmove should be first, before anything else |
| 23:58.32 | Zelut | eightyeight: no. all one drive, just want to allocate 20G to bare-bones for use with XP (i know, i know) |
| 23:59.55 | eightyeight | ahh. then pv doesn't matter really. let lvm worry about that |