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| 02:23.05 | maple | hi |
| 03:27.56 | eightyeight | hello |
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| 14:03.10 | eightyeight | just talked with the package maintainer for firefox/iceweasel in debian |
| 14:03.27 | eightyeight | iceweasel 3.6 isn't going into sid, until squeeze releases |
| 14:03.30 | cedwards | tell him to stop being lazy and build some packages? |
| 14:03.33 | eightyeight | same with icedove 3.1 |
| 14:03.39 | eightyeight | well, it's quite complicated |
| 14:03.48 | eightyeight | debian also packages iceape |
| 14:04.15 | eightyeight | currently, iceape 2.0 depends on xulrunner 1.9.1, but iceweasel 3.6 and icedove 3.1 depend on xulrunner 1.9.2 |
| 14:05.19 | eightyeight | so, either maintain two large gecko infrastructures to get both into the archives, drop iceape in favor of the upgrade for iceweasel/icedove, or hold back iceweasel/icedove keeping iceape in for release |
| 14:05.55 | eightyeight | if xulrunner 1.9.2 is added to sid, then it will go to testing, which means we'll need sufficient time to test for bugs, and get it ready for freeze in aug |
| 14:06.11 | eightyeight | because of the size and nature of these packages, it's too late on the game to play that card |
| 14:07.00 | eightyeight | they dropped iceape out for lenny, due to the xulrunner updates |
| 14:07.10 | eightyeight | but they want to ship both for squeeze |
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| 14:07.33 | eightyeight | which means, iceweasel 3.6 and icedove 3.1 will enter sid when squeeze releases |
| 14:08.03 | eightyeight | by then, firefox 4 will have released, as possibly a new thunderbird (3.2?), so those will go into experimental on release |
| 14:08.23 | eightyeight | i think the right decision is being made, it just sucks to use older software for the betterment of the whole |
| 14:11.42 | eightyeight | if that isn't complicated enough, iceape 2.1 will depend on gecko 1.9.3, which will probably be reversioned to 2.0. firefox 4 will also depend on this version. but, what about a future release of thunderbird? |
| 14:12.21 | eightyeight | i'm just glad i'm not that package maintainer |
| 14:13.00 | cedwards | I'm just glad I don't use Debian ;) |
| 14:13.19 | Yorokobi | Indeed |
| 14:14.25 | cedwards | KISS |
| 14:14.58 | eightyeight | how does arch handle this? |
| 14:15.14 | eightyeight | package multiple gecko versions? |
| 14:16.42 | cedwards | they use the latest packages. If you want to lag behind, you can do that on your own. |
| 14:17.01 | eightyeight | and if i install seamonkey? what version will i get? |
| 14:17.20 | Yorokobi | v2.0.5 |
| 14:17.38 | eightyeight | and during the time firefox 3.6 and thunderbird 3.0? both depend on different gecko versions. what is arch's solution? |
| 14:18.06 | eightyeight | seamonkey 2.0.5 depends on xulrunner 1.9.1. just package 1.9.2, and hope it works? |
| 14:18.10 | Yorokobi | Update xulrunner and its dependencies when they can all be met, is my experience. |
| 14:19.44 | cedwards | what is seamonkey anyway? |
| 14:20.09 | eightyeight | mozilla suite |
| 14:20.21 | eightyeight | browser, email and chat, all built into one ui |
| 14:20.27 | eightyeight | similar to opera |
| 14:20.53 | eightyeight | saves _considerable_ ram, than running everything separate, and much of that ram is duplicated |
| 14:21.03 | eightyeight | s/, and/, as/ |
| 14:21.11 | Yorokobi | The seamonkey depend list for Arch doesn't include xulrunner |
| 14:21.40 | eightyeight | what are its depends? |
| 14:23.10 | Yorokobi | ah, it depends on mozilla-common which depends on xulrunner, but no version is specified |
| 14:26.28 | Yorokobi | seamonkey 2.0.5 works |
| 14:26.37 | eightyeight | seems risky to me, packaging the latest xulrunner, when packages that depend on it, have only been built and tested against a previous version |
| 14:26.49 | eightyeight | it _should_ work, but i guess that's what bug triaging is for, right? :) |
| 14:27.33 | cedwards | nice. I just trimmed down GNOME installation to 1.4G. |
| 14:27.42 | eightyeight | anyway, it's good to have an answer from the package maintainer about why iceweasel/icedove is being held back |
| 14:28.10 | Yorokobi | Testing? Who needs testing? :) |
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| 15:35.33 | eightyeight | so, we now have 12 hosts in our virtual infrastructure |
| 15:35.53 | eightyeight | 2 have 8 cores with 32gb of ram, the rest have 16 cores with 64 gb ram |
| 15:36.14 | eightyeight | accessing a 37tb san, capable of doing 800MBps |
| 15:36.28 | eightyeight | eventually, we'll have 20 hosts in the infrastructure |
| 15:36.54 | eightyeight | and because we can oversubscribe the cpus by 10x and the ram by 2x, we can easily do 300-400 vms |
| 15:36.57 | eightyeight | on 20 hosts |
| 15:37.01 | eightyeight | this is going to be fun |
| 15:37.04 | cedwards | nice |
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