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00:25.30 | Zelut | hello |
00:31.15 | HoneyShiv | hi |
00:37.15 | maquis_ | any perl gurus in here? |
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02:55.40 | *** topic/#ubuntu-utah is | Ubuntu-Utah LoCo Team | http://ubuntu-utah.org | Next meeting: Jan 13, 2007 3pm | Main SLC Library Floor 3 | Topic: Ubuntu Utah Constitution presented by Aaron Toponce | |
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04:13.01 | atoponce | maquis_: need help? |
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06:39.32 | stuporglu1 | Zelut (or others), you use dyndns, don't you? |
06:40.16 | stuporglu1 | I was just wanting to set it up so I can get to my computer while I'm away for break |
06:53.09 | Zelu1 | stuporglu1: I use it, yes |
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15:06.41 | atoponce | 'jbot_ ' to dvorak: hxry{ |
15:29.42 | atoponce | !w 84405 |
15:29.46 | UtahBot | Ogden, Utah; Updated: 07:55 (December 21, 2006); Conditions: Clear; Temperature: 11°F (-12°C); Windchill: -6°F (-21°C); High/Low: 30/17°F (-1/-8°C); Humidity: 73%; Dew Point: 4°F (-16°C); UV: 0/16; Wind: East at 16 MPH (26 KPH) |
15:30.24 | atoponce | 11 degrees? and no snow? ugh |
15:51.56 | [Utah]tristanbob | have you guys seen the dynamic logo on Gabe's blog? |
15:51.56 | [Utah]tristanbob | http://gundy.org/2006/12/21/ixeni-anyone/ |
15:52.03 | [Utah]tristanbob | look at the bottom of the page |
15:52.06 | [Utah]tristanbob | and hit refresh |
15:53.20 | [Utah]tristanbob | it is awesome - I wish I had that |
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16:54.24 | [Utah]tristanbob | Zelut: hello |
16:54.36 | [Utah]tristanbob | redbeard1: you got mentioned on the ubuntu weekly news again |
16:54.41 | redbeard1 | i did? |
16:54.45 | Zelut | [Utah]tristanbob: hello Windows user. |
16:55.03 | [Utah]tristanbob | sheesh! now you are no longer my friend? |
16:55.50 | maquis | [Utah]tristanbob: you're using windoze? |
16:55.53 | maquis | ick |
16:55.57 | Zelut | [Utah]tristanbob: we're still good. I just thought I'd give you a hard time. |
16:56.06 | Zelut | [Utah]tristanbob: ...per our conversation the other day. |
16:56.07 | [Utah]tristanbob | redbeard1: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/2006-December/000065.html |
16:56.34 | [Utah]tristanbob | redbeard1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue25 |
16:56.38 | [Utah]tristanbob | that is a better link |
16:56.40 | redbeard1 | the ubuntu cookies again? |
16:57.12 | redbeard1 | i suppose redundancy is important in the systems world, isn't it? |
16:57.16 | [Utah]tristanbob | yup - Ubuntu people are funny |
16:57.23 | [Utah]tristanbob | :) indeed it is |
16:58.50 | [Utah]tristanbob | Zelut: I'll have you know I am running FC6 and Ubuntu 6.10 on this very machine |
16:58.59 | [Utah]tristanbob | (each in vm) |
16:59.05 | redbeard1 | i have officially had better response (for the whole year) for the ubuntu cookies than for the tux cake |
16:59.36 | Zelut | [Utah]tristanbob: its the XP base for VM that still gets me. |
16:59.37 | [Utah]tristanbob | ubuntu is more popular than Linux?!?! |
16:59.57 | redbeard1 | no, wait. i guess that doesn't count when my site was down and people had to look at rsimpkin's mirror |
17:00.15 | [Utah]tristanbob | Zelut: I agree - I am making a new years resolution to make the base Ubuntu, and XP in a VM (if needed) |
17:01.29 | Zelut | [Utah]tristanbob: glad to hear it. |
17:01.50 | maquis | redbeard1: lol... |
17:03.21 | Zelut | does anyone have any suggestions on upcoming tutorials for the 'ol blog? |
17:03.40 | maquis | Zelut: hacking .xinitrc? |
17:03.47 | maquis | hacking .bashrc (or .zshrc?) |
17:04.00 | maquis | hacking |
17:04.15 | Zelut | maquis: if you want to write one up I can post you as a contributor. I don't know hacking .bashrc :) |
17:04.16 | redbeard1 | i wouldn't mind some vim tutorials |
17:04.36 | maquis | Zelut: i'm guessing most ubuntu people will be using bash instead of zsh... so i don't think i'd be much help |
17:04.44 | maquis | wow... |
17:04.53 | maquis | we've got the most amazing double-rainbow outside |
17:12.16 | maquis | and... it's almost gone |
17:30.28 | atoponce | redbeard1: you can blame me for getting the cookies in the weekly news... |
17:31.35 | redbeard1 | atoponce: oh yeah? both times? |
17:31.41 | redbeard1 | not that i'm complaining, mind you |
17:31.42 | atoponce | no, just for this time |
17:31.51 | atoponce | #25, that is |
17:32.39 | redbeard1 | i'm thinking maybe it's time to do a little more logoing... but i don't have any ideas in mind atm |
17:32.53 | redbeard1 | it's just hard to use the ubuntu logo for anything but branding |
17:32.58 | atoponce | you should do an ubuntu cake |
17:33.05 | redbeard1 | but it's been done |
17:33.24 | atoponce | pie? pizza? lasagna? |
17:33.57 | redbeard1 | i do have one idea... but it would be difficult to pull it off |
17:33.59 | atoponce | ubuntu pasta noodles |
17:34.36 | redbeard1 | hey yeah... but i would have to create an extruder for that, and the design might be a little too complex |
17:34.52 | redbeard1 | altho... |
17:35.03 | redbeard1 | /me's gears are turning |
17:35.04 | maquis | redbeard1: what about a gentoo cookie? |
17:35.06 | maquis | or a bsd cookie |
17:35.12 | maquis | i want beastie on something |
17:35.20 | redbeard1 | i'd have to get permission to use beastie |
17:35.26 | maquis | so? |
17:35.34 | maquis | i doubt they'd give you any trouble |
17:35.36 | maquis | and he's cute |
17:35.38 | redbeard1 | and beastie is kind of complex |
17:35.44 | redbeard1 | but he would make a killer cake |
17:35.51 | maquis | exactly |
17:36.10 | maquis | with the little green tennis shoes |
17:36.11 | atoponce | gentoo and debian logos seem simple enough |
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17:36.33 | redbeard1 | i thought the gentoo logo was that weird penguin... that doesn't seem that simple |
17:36.38 | redbeard1 | am i thinking of the wrong logo? |
17:36.54 | redbeard1 | oh, right. i know that logo. nm. |
17:37.07 | atoponce | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/2006-December/000065.html |
17:37.08 | redbeard1 | the weird g that looks like a backwards p |
17:37.09 | atoponce | gah |
17:37.24 | redbeard1 | i'm still a little bitter at debian tho |
17:37.55 | atoponce | http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=gentoo+logo&btnG=Search_Images |
17:38.08 | atoponce | http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=gentoo+logo&btnG=Search+Images |
17:38.46 | redbeard1 | if i had the right size/shape cookie cutters, i could do ravioli |
17:39.00 | redbeard1 | ubuntu ravioli |
17:39.24 | redbeard1 | time to break out the old pasta rolling machine |
17:39.30 | atoponce | sweet |
17:40.46 | redbeard1 | my wife's brother in law works at an auto body shop... i'll get him to help me out with turning strips of scrap metal into ubuntu cutters |
17:42.35 | atoponce | i've been thinking of getting a window overlay of ubuntu for my car back window |
17:42.46 | Zelut | someone should make ubuntu christmas ornaments.. for next year. |
17:43.36 | maquis | and i'm less devoted to any one particular sect... |
17:43.52 | maquis | i will comment, though, that netbsd has the lamest mascot ever |
17:44.04 | maquis | their flag isn't even as cool as the windows flag |
17:44.07 | atoponce | maquis: good for you! seriously. it's good to have variety |
17:44.59 | maquis | i've run most of the major distros, i think... |
17:45.07 | maquis | not suse, though |
17:45.15 | maquis | and i don't have much interest in suse |
17:45.58 | atoponce | there isn't much there to offer, i think. if you've tried mandrake-iva or redhat, you've tried suse. |
17:46.03 | atoponce | all it offers is yast |
17:46.20 | maquis | oh... mandrake is another i haven't tried... |
17:47.01 | atoponce | slackware, redhat, mandrake, suse and ubuntu are the one's i've played with the most |
17:47.28 | atoponce | i've dabbled with gentoo, debian, arch, dsl and knoppix, but nothing serious |
17:47.33 | maquis | i started on rh8, and since then i've done rh9, fc1, gentoo, fc4, freebsd, rh7.2, debian, ubuntu, rhel3, centos4, and briefly, knoppmyth (it's still installed, but that machine doesn't have an internet or cable connection, so it's not really used) |
17:47.37 | atoponce | i am interested in nextenta though |
17:47.47 | maquis | i've used dsl and knoppix... |
17:47.53 | maquis | i tried to modify dsl |
17:47.57 | maquis | that failed miserably, though |
17:48.22 | atoponce | i tried lfs once, and bombed. only because a friend suggested it though |
17:48.30 | atoponce | it was rough |
17:48.51 | maquis | i'd like to try out LFS at some point... but i'm going to wait until i have a *lot* more time |
17:49.02 | maquis | i'm also planning on giving ipodlinux a try at some point |
17:49.15 | atoponce | yeah. it takes a *ton* of free time, as you configure *everything* |
17:49.30 | maquis | they've got a full shell, a vim-like editor, and games like doom and halo :) |
17:49.34 | atoponce | it's worse then gentoo in that respect |
17:49.40 | atoponce | sweet |
17:49.58 | maquis | i'm currently running rockbox on my ipod, which is buggy, but currently working reasonably well on my ipod |
17:50.31 | [phoenyx] | maquis: now you just need arch and slack to collect the whole set |
17:50.33 | atoponce | i'm debating getting an ipod just for rockbox |
17:50.38 | maquis | [phoenyx]: yeah... |
17:51.01 | [phoenyx] | oh, and gentoo |
17:51.06 | maquis | i keep meaning to try red-flag linux (i think that's what it's called) to get a bit mroe experience with alternate input systems... although id' just play with the livecd for that, i'm guessing |
17:51.10 | maquis | [phoenyx]: i think gentoo's on my list |
17:51.25 | [phoenyx] | ah, yup, missed it |
17:51.35 | maquis | i had a stage-1 that i managed to not destroy for a little over a year (well... not destroy to the point that it needed to be reinstalled) |
17:52.59 | atoponce | nextenta and opensolaris look intriguing from a unix standpoint |
17:53.18 | maquis | yeah |
17:53.34 | maquis | freebsd was really interesting to play with |
18:04.06 | Zelut | maquis: I think I had freebsd installed for a couple weeks.. didn't stick. |
18:04.34 | maquis | Zelut: what problems did you have? |
18:04.54 | maquis | do you use it more as a desktop machine (playing games, browsing the web, etc) or more for development and such? |
18:04.55 | Zelut | maquis: ports was a whole new idea for me.. and, being used to APT, compiling seemed like it took forever. |
18:05.04 | maquis | Zelut: ah... |
18:05.04 | Zelut | it was a server |
18:05.28 | maquis | see, i'm more comfortable with the ports way of doing things than with apt, etc... and pkg_add was amazing |
18:06.04 | maquis | i wish we had a linux distro that handled package-management exactly the same way freebsd does... gentoo is close, but they destroyed a lot of the nice features of ports |
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18:45.40 | maquis | http://foxtrot.com/ |
19:05.31 | maquis | Zelut: why? |
19:05.50 | maquis | does google not have an open API, btw? |
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19:17.55 | Zelut | they do.. I just figure I could write a quick script to grep & parse pretty easily. |
19:31.56 | maquis | ah |
19:37.37 | Zelut | I pretty regularly need to parse data from Google (for work) in the "Results 1 - 10 of about XX". If I could automate the process it'd sure speed things up. |
19:39.07 | maquis | quote from a friend of mine last night over IM: |
19:39.36 | maquis | "as of tonight, we've been dating for 12 days... we got engaged on sunday" |
19:39.45 | maquis | i wasn't quite certain how to respond |
19:39.55 | maquis | i think i ended up with "wow! that's fast!" |
19:39.57 | Zelut | I think the proper response is... "uhh.." |
19:40.29 | maquis | luckily, the wedding isn't til june |
19:40.40 | maquis | so, they've got a bit of time to figure stuff out |
19:40.50 | Zelut | that has provo written all over it. |
19:40.56 | maquis | yup |
19:40.57 | maquis | tis provo |
19:41.35 | Zelut | I knew my wife for over a year before we got engaged.. and then married 10 months later. |
19:42.14 | Zelut | speaking of which.. since she's not in the channel at the moment. I did get her that Mac yesterday. |
19:42.27 | maquis | what mac? |
19:42.44 | maquis | wait... your wife frequents the channel? who? |
19:42.53 | Zelut | my better half is HoneyShiv |
19:52.32 | maquis | ah... ok |
19:52.43 | maquis | i didn't have the two of you together |
19:52.52 | [phoenyx] | year and a half courtship, 3 month engagement |
19:52.58 | [phoenyx] | (for me) |
19:53.51 | maquis | maquis-fiance and i knew each other for a while through uug... then we dated for about 4 months, then 8 month engagement (which will end in april) during which we're stuck talking on the phone because we're in different states... |
20:00.31 | [phoenyx] | maquis-fiance, huh? |
20:01.54 | maquis | yeah... he visits #utah as that :) |
20:12.39 | redbeard1 | Zelut: where did you ever come up with that nick? |
20:13.19 | Zelut | which nick? mine or hers? |
20:13.19 | redbeard1 | Zelut. |
20:13.29 | redbeard1 | i'm just curious |
20:13.38 | Zelut | herlo calls me a Linux / Ubuntu Zealot (which I am) so I tried a spelling variation that was available. |
20:14.00 | redbeard1 | i like that. that's cool. |
20:14.01 | Zelut | I really am quite a religious Zealot about Linux/OSS. |
20:14.15 | redbeard1 | what about kuyadez? (sp?) |
20:14.52 | Zelut | kuyaedz is a pilipino nickname I had while I was there. kuya being "older brother" and "edz" being short for my last name, Edwards. |
20:15.12 | redbeard1 | makes sense |
20:15.57 | Zelut | redbeard1: I would use redbeard if you hadn't taken it. One of my businesses is "RedBeard Consulting" |
20:16.19 | redbeard1 | really? i don't remember you having a red beard |
20:17.28 | redbeard1 | where did that come from? |
20:18.00 | Zelut | its not to the extent of yours but I prefer not to shave and generally sport red-scruff |
20:18.17 | redbeard1 | i guess that works |
20:21.35 | Zelut | one of these days maybe I'll get there. |
20:30.48 | [phoenyx] | aren't the maquis the group that rebelled against the United Federation of Planets?</geek> |
20:33.00 | redbeard1 | ~geek [phoenyx] |
20:34.57 | maquis | [phoenyx]: yup |
20:35.09 | maquis | freedom-fighters / rebels |
20:38.05 | redbeard1 | herlo: i was wondering about your nick too |
20:38.22 | redbeard1 | actually, now i'm wondering about almost everybody's nick, but i'll start small |
20:38.25 | maquis | herlo: weren't you hell-ro for a while too? |
21:03.35 | atoponce | can you have multiple ServerAlias in the same VirtualHost in apache2? |
21:04.13 | redbeard1 | atoponce: i think so |
21:05.30 | redbeard1 | ServerAlias josephhall.com www.josephhall.com |
21:05.34 | redbeard1 | like that? |
21:05.40 | Zelut | atoponce: yes |
21:05.46 | atoponce | redbeard1: more like: |
21:06.38 | atoponce | ServerName www.aaarontoponce.org |
21:06.46 | atoponce | ServerAlias aarontoponce.net |
21:06.48 | atoponce | ServerAlias aarontoponce.org |
21:06.52 | atoponce | ServerAlias aarontoponce.com |
21:07.10 | atoponce | should all redirect to aarontoponce.org? |
21:07.18 | redbeard1 | i think you can do that |
21:07.28 | redbeard1 | try it |
21:07.39 | redbeard1 | let me know |
21:07.43 | redbeard1 | i'm interested now |
21:08.05 | redbeard1 | if it doesn't work, my version will... you can do them all on the same line, i know that |
21:08.52 | atoponce | hmmm. .net and .com point to pthree.org (which i don't want), and .org "internal server error" |
21:09.09 | atoponce | so, it seems to be "okay" |
21:09.24 | atoponce | but, why is .net and .com not resolving to .org? |
21:09.34 | redbeard1 | try on the same line |
21:10.47 | maquis | er |
21:10.57 | maquis | doesn't want to pay 500$ for a ps3... |
21:11.30 | maquis | a wii for 250 would be nice... but still on the expensive side |
21:11.30 | atoponce | .org now gives me "index of", but .com and .net both point to pthree.org still |
21:11.48 | redbeard1 | atoponce: you sure they're not defined elsewhere? |
21:12.04 | atoponce | redbeard1: yeah. just barely set them up |
21:12.07 | redbeard1 | atoponce: wait... which os is this on? |
21:12.15 | atoponce | let me pastebin |
21:12.17 | atoponce | ubuntu |
21:12.33 | redbeard1 | i've been learning the hard way that redhat apache2 and debian apache2 are very, very different |
21:13.46 | atoponce | redbeard1: http://pastebin.ca/287868 |
21:14.19 | redbeard1 | atoponce: so, you have your config in /etc/apache2, right? |
21:14.26 | redbeard1 | which file do you have that directive in? |
21:14.46 | atoponce | "aarontoponce.org" in /etc/apache2/sites-available |
21:15.00 | Zelut | do you have that same .conf file in sites-enabled? |
21:15.09 | redbeard1 | you need to symlink it |
21:15.12 | atoponce | Zelut: yes. it's linked |
21:15.14 | redbeard1 | in sites-enabled |
21:15.17 | atoponce | right |
21:15.18 | atoponce | done |
21:15.36 | redbeard1 | and none of those domains are in any other config files? |
21:15.41 | atoponce | no |
21:17.31 | redbeard1 | here's mine: |
21:17.31 | redbeard1 | ServerName josephhall.com |
21:17.31 | redbeard1 | ServerAlias josephhall.com www.josephhall.com |
21:17.44 | redbeard1 | i have the server name in both directives |
21:17.53 | redbeard1 | but it has to be the first server alias |
21:18.04 | atoponce | well, both are top-level .com, here, i'm using 3 different ones |
21:18.24 | atoponce | ahh. let me try that (the first alias) |
21:19.06 | redbeard1 | setting up apache2 on ubuntu server was very painful for me, coming from a redhat background |
21:19.16 | atoponce | stupid browser cache |
21:19.25 | atoponce | my file was fine. :) |
21:19.30 | redbeard1 | oh yeah? |
21:19.43 | redbeard1 | interesting |
21:19.48 | atoponce | after clearing the browser cache, all work fine |
21:19.58 | atoponce | as homer would say: doh! |
21:20.08 | atoponce | wait... |
21:20.12 | atoponce | nevermind |
21:20.18 | redbeard1 | not so much? |
21:20.50 | atoponce | they're pointing to the appropriate directory (no longer pthree), but still resolve as .net and .com. i need to redirect to .org if any is typed in |
21:21.08 | redbeard1 | oh. you can't do that with serveralias |
21:21.19 | redbeard1 | you could probably use mod_rewrite tho |
21:21.29 | atoponce | afraid not. is there a redirect option? |
21:21.34 | redbeard1 | or just do what i do and set up an index.pl to redirect |
21:21.38 | atoponce | mod_rewrite.... hmmm |
21:24.16 | redbeard1 | in the past, i've just set up a seperate virtualhost and then put an index.pl in that directory that does nothing but redirect |
21:24.46 | redbeard1 | #!/usr/bin/perl |
21:24.46 | redbeard1 | print "Location: http://www.josephhall.com/\n\n"; |
21:24.55 | redbeard1 | simple as that |
21:25.02 | atoponce | that's it? |
21:25.10 | atoponce | easy enouch |
21:25.16 | atoponce | s/ch/gh/ |
21:25.48 | atoponce | why the \n\n? |
21:26.01 | redbeard1 | http headers always end with \n\n |
21:26.16 | redbeard1 | if you just do \n, you can add more headers |
21:26.16 | atoponce | interesting. can if-logic be used? |
21:26.32 | redbeard1 | well, it is a perl script. what kind of if logic? |
21:27.16 | atoponce | if url=*.aarontoponce.* then print location http://www.aarontoponce.org/\n\n |
21:28.15 | redbeard1 | print "Location: http://www.aarontoponce.org/\n\n" if url =~ /\.aarontoponce\./i; |
21:28.53 | atoponce | i don't need to predifne 'url'? |
21:29.00 | redbeard1 | wait. sorry. |
21:29.07 | redbeard1 | trying to remember what that needs to be |
21:30.33 | redbeard1 | print "Location: http://www.aarontoponce.org/\n\n" if $ENV{HTTP_HOST} =~ /\.aarontoponce\./i; |
21:30.33 | redbeard1 | i think that's write |
21:30.33 | redbeard1 | s/write/right/ |
21:30.33 | atoponce | ah hah. that looks a little better |
21:30.53 | atoponce | hmm. some options to think about |
21:30.54 | atoponce | brb |
21:33.14 | redbeard1 | atoponce: if you want to see which options are available to look at, do this... |
21:33.43 | redbeard1 | create a file named env.pl in your document root, and put this in it: |
21:33.49 | redbeard1 | #!/usr/bin/perl |
21:33.49 | redbeard1 | print "Content-type: text/html\n\n"; |
21:33.50 | redbeard1 | print "\$ENV{$_} => $ENV{$_}<br />\n" for keys %ENV; |
21:35.44 | redbeard1 | maquis: you should store that one away to play with too... it may help you in your studies |
21:36.32 | maquis | hmm? |
21:37.03 | maquis | isn't that kind-of like the php print_env() or whatever it is? |
21:37.08 | redbeard1 | yeah |
21:37.12 | maquis | ok |
21:37.23 | redbeard1 | kind of |
21:37.35 | redbeard1 | less fluffy tho |
21:37.45 | maquis | lol |
21:38.28 | redbeard1 | the php version tells you all sorts of information... this only tells you what apache environment variables are available to you |
21:38.34 | redbeard1 | but it is very handy information |
21:38.43 | maquis | yeah |
21:38.46 | maquis | will keep in mind |
21:44.11 | herlo | redbeard1: my nick is something I made up in 1998 when I needed an alias for gaming |