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00:25.30Zeluthello
00:31.15HoneyShivhi
00:37.15maquis_any perl gurus in here?
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02:55.40*** topic/#ubuntu-utah is | Ubuntu-Utah LoCo Team | http://ubuntu-utah.org | Next meeting: Jan 13, 2007 3pm | Main SLC Library Floor 3 | Topic: Ubuntu Utah Constitution presented by Aaron Toponce |
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04:13.01atoponcemaquis_: need help?
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06:39.32stuporglu1Zelut (or others), you use dyndns, don't you?
06:40.16stuporglu1I was just wanting to set it up so I can get to my computer while I'm away for break
06:53.09Zelu1stuporglu1: I use it, yes
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15:06.41atoponce'jbot_ ' to dvorak: hxry{
15:29.42atoponce!w 84405
15:29.46UtahBotOgden, Utah; Updated: 07:55 (December 21, 2006); Conditions: Clear; Temperature: 11°F (-12°C); Windchill: -6°F (-21°C); High/Low: 30/17°F (-1/-8°C); Humidity: 73%; Dew Point: 4°F (-16°C); UV: 0/16; Wind: East at 16 MPH (26 KPH)
15:30.24atoponce11 degrees? and no snow? ugh
15:51.56[Utah]tristanbobhave you guys seen the dynamic logo on Gabe's blog?
15:51.56[Utah]tristanbobhttp://gundy.org/2006/12/21/ixeni-anyone/
15:52.03[Utah]tristanboblook at the bottom of the page
15:52.06[Utah]tristanboband hit refresh
15:53.20[Utah]tristanbobit is awesome - I wish I had that
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16:54.24[Utah]tristanbobZelut: hello
16:54.36[Utah]tristanbobredbeard1: you got mentioned on the ubuntu weekly news again
16:54.41redbeard1i did?
16:54.45Zelut[Utah]tristanbob: hello Windows user.
16:55.03[Utah]tristanbobsheesh!  now you are no longer my friend?
16:55.50maquis[Utah]tristanbob: you're using windoze?
16:55.53maquisick
16:55.57Zelut[Utah]tristanbob: we're still good.  I just thought I'd give you a hard time.
16:56.06Zelut[Utah]tristanbob: ...per our conversation the other day.
16:56.07[Utah]tristanbobredbeard1: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/2006-December/000065.html
16:56.34[Utah]tristanbobredbeard1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue25
16:56.38[Utah]tristanbobthat is a better link
16:56.40redbeard1the ubuntu cookies again?
16:57.12redbeard1i suppose redundancy is important in the systems world, isn't it?
16:57.16[Utah]tristanbobyup - Ubuntu people are funny
16:57.23[Utah]tristanbob:) indeed it is
16:58.50[Utah]tristanbobZelut: I'll have you know I am running FC6 and Ubuntu 6.10 on this very machine
16:58.59[Utah]tristanbob(each in vm)
16:59.05redbeard1i have officially had better response (for the whole year) for the ubuntu cookies than for the tux cake
16:59.36Zelut[Utah]tristanbob: its the XP base for VM that still gets me.
16:59.37[Utah]tristanbobubuntu is more popular than Linux?!?!
16:59.57redbeard1no, wait. i guess that doesn't count when my site was down and people had to look at rsimpkin's mirror
17:00.15[Utah]tristanbobZelut: I agree - I am making a new years resolution to make the base Ubuntu, and XP in a VM (if needed)
17:01.29Zelut[Utah]tristanbob: glad to hear it.
17:01.50maquisredbeard1: lol...
17:03.21Zelutdoes anyone have any suggestions on upcoming tutorials for the 'ol blog?
17:03.40maquisZelut: hacking .xinitrc?
17:03.47maquishacking .bashrc (or .zshrc?)
17:04.00maquishacking
17:04.15Zelutmaquis: if you want to write one up I can post you as a contributor.  I don't know hacking .bashrc :)
17:04.16redbeard1i wouldn't mind some vim tutorials
17:04.36maquisZelut: i'm guessing most ubuntu people will be using bash instead of zsh... so i don't think i'd be much help
17:04.44maquiswow...
17:04.53maquiswe've got the most amazing double-rainbow outside
17:12.16maquisand... it's almost gone
17:30.28atoponceredbeard1: you can blame me for getting the cookies in the weekly news...
17:31.35redbeard1atoponce: oh yeah? both times?
17:31.41redbeard1not that i'm complaining, mind you
17:31.42atoponceno, just for this time
17:31.51atoponce#25, that is
17:32.39redbeard1i'm thinking maybe it's time to do a little more logoing... but i don't have any ideas in mind atm
17:32.53redbeard1it's just hard to use the ubuntu logo for anything but branding
17:32.58atoponceyou should do an ubuntu cake
17:33.05redbeard1but it's been done
17:33.24atoponcepie? pizza? lasagna?
17:33.57redbeard1i do have one idea... but it would be difficult to pull it off
17:33.59atoponceubuntu pasta noodles
17:34.36redbeard1hey yeah... but i would have to create an extruder for that, and the design might be a little too complex
17:34.52redbeard1altho...
17:35.03redbeard1/me's gears are turning
17:35.04maquisredbeard1: what about a gentoo cookie?
17:35.06maquisor a bsd cookie
17:35.12maquisi want beastie on something
17:35.20redbeard1i'd have to get permission to use beastie
17:35.26maquisso?
17:35.34maquisi doubt they'd give you any trouble
17:35.36maquisand he's cute
17:35.38redbeard1and beastie is kind of complex
17:35.44redbeard1but he would make a killer cake
17:35.51maquisexactly
17:36.10maquiswith the little green tennis shoes
17:36.11atoponcegentoo and debian logos seem simple enough
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17:36.33redbeard1i thought the gentoo logo was that weird penguin... that doesn't seem that simple
17:36.38redbeard1am i thinking of the wrong logo?
17:36.54redbeard1oh, right. i know that logo. nm.
17:37.07atoponcehttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/2006-December/000065.html
17:37.08redbeard1the weird g that looks like a backwards p
17:37.09atoponcegah
17:37.24redbeard1i'm still a little bitter at debian tho
17:37.55atoponcehttp://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=gentoo+logo&btnG=Search_Images
17:38.08atoponcehttp://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=gentoo+logo&btnG=Search+Images
17:38.46redbeard1if i had the right size/shape cookie cutters, i could do ravioli
17:39.00redbeard1ubuntu ravioli
17:39.24redbeard1time to break out the old pasta rolling machine
17:39.30atoponcesweet
17:40.46redbeard1my wife's brother in law works at an auto body shop... i'll get him to help me out with turning strips of scrap metal into ubuntu cutters
17:42.35atoponcei've been thinking of getting a window overlay of ubuntu for my car back window
17:42.46Zelutsomeone should make ubuntu christmas ornaments.. for next year.
17:43.36maquisand i'm less devoted to any one particular sect...
17:43.52maquisi will comment, though, that netbsd has the lamest mascot ever
17:44.04maquistheir flag isn't even as cool as the windows flag
17:44.07atoponcemaquis: good for you! seriously. it's good to have variety
17:44.59maquisi've run most of the major distros, i think...
17:45.07maquisnot suse, though
17:45.15maquisand i don't have much interest in suse
17:45.58atoponcethere isn't much there to offer, i think. if you've tried mandrake-iva or redhat, you've tried suse.
17:46.03atoponceall it offers is yast
17:46.20maquisoh... mandrake is another i haven't tried...
17:47.01atoponceslackware, redhat, mandrake, suse and ubuntu are the one's i've played with the most
17:47.28atoponcei've dabbled with gentoo, debian, arch, dsl and knoppix, but nothing serious
17:47.33maquisi started on rh8, and since then i've done rh9, fc1, gentoo, fc4, freebsd, rh7.2, debian, ubuntu, rhel3, centos4, and briefly, knoppmyth (it's still installed, but that machine doesn't have an internet or cable connection, so it's not really used)
17:47.37atoponcei am interested in nextenta though
17:47.47maquisi've used dsl and knoppix...
17:47.53maquisi tried to modify dsl
17:47.57maquisthat failed miserably, though
17:48.22atoponcei tried lfs once, and bombed. only because a friend suggested it though
17:48.30atoponceit was rough
17:48.51maquisi'd like to try out LFS at some point... but i'm going to wait until i have a *lot* more time
17:49.02maquisi'm also planning on giving ipodlinux a try at some point
17:49.15atoponceyeah. it takes a *ton* of free time, as you configure *everything*
17:49.30maquisthey've got a full shell, a vim-like editor, and games like doom and halo :)
17:49.34atoponceit's worse then gentoo in that respect
17:49.40atoponcesweet
17:49.58maquisi'm currently running rockbox on my ipod, which is buggy, but currently working reasonably well on my ipod
17:50.31[phoenyx]maquis: now you just need arch and slack to collect the whole set
17:50.33atoponcei'm debating getting an ipod just for rockbox
17:50.38maquis[phoenyx]: yeah...
17:51.01[phoenyx]oh, and gentoo
17:51.06maquisi keep meaning to try red-flag linux (i think that's what it's called) to get a bit mroe experience with alternate input systems... although id' just play with the livecd for that, i'm guessing
17:51.10maquis[phoenyx]: i think gentoo's on my list
17:51.25[phoenyx]ah, yup, missed it
17:51.35maquisi had a stage-1 that i managed to not destroy for a little over a year (well... not destroy to the point that it needed to be reinstalled)
17:52.59atoponcenextenta and opensolaris look intriguing from a unix standpoint
17:53.18maquisyeah
17:53.34maquisfreebsd was really interesting to play with
18:04.06Zelutmaquis: I think I had freebsd installed for a couple weeks.. didn't stick.
18:04.34maquisZelut: what problems did you have?
18:04.54maquisdo you use it more as a desktop machine (playing games, browsing the web, etc) or more for development and such?
18:04.55Zelutmaquis: ports was a whole new idea for me.. and, being used to APT, compiling seemed like it took forever.
18:05.04maquisZelut: ah...
18:05.04Zelutit was a server
18:05.28maquissee, i'm more comfortable with the ports way of doing things than with apt, etc...  and pkg_add was amazing
18:06.04maquisi wish we had a linux distro that handled package-management exactly the same way freebsd does...  gentoo is close, but they destroyed a lot of the nice features of ports
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18:45.40maquishttp://foxtrot.com/
19:05.31maquisZelut: why?
19:05.50maquisdoes google not have an open API, btw?
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19:17.55Zelutthey do.. I just figure I could write a quick script to grep & parse pretty easily.
19:31.56maquisah
19:37.37ZelutI pretty regularly need to parse data from Google (for work) in the "Results 1 - 10 of about XX".  If I could automate the process it'd sure speed things up.
19:39.07maquisquote from a friend of mine last night over IM:
19:39.36maquis"as of tonight, we've been dating for 12 days... we got engaged on sunday"
19:39.45maquisi wasn't quite certain how to respond
19:39.55maquisi think i ended up with "wow! that's fast!"
19:39.57ZelutI think the proper response is... "uhh.."
19:40.29maquisluckily, the wedding isn't til june
19:40.40maquisso, they've got a bit of time to figure stuff out
19:40.50Zelutthat has provo written all over it.
19:40.56maquisyup
19:40.57maquistis provo
19:41.35ZelutI knew my wife for over a year before we got engaged.. and then married 10 months later.
19:42.14Zelutspeaking of which.. since she's not in the channel at the moment.  I did get her that Mac yesterday.
19:42.27maquiswhat mac?
19:42.44maquiswait... your wife frequents the channel?  who?
19:42.53Zelutmy better half is HoneyShiv
19:52.32maquisah... ok
19:52.43maquisi didn't have the two of you together
19:52.52[phoenyx]year and a half courtship, 3 month engagement
19:52.58[phoenyx](for me)
19:53.51maquismaquis-fiance and i knew each other for a while through uug... then we dated for about 4 months, then 8 month engagement (which will end in april) during which we're stuck talking on the phone because we're in different states...
20:00.31[phoenyx]maquis-fiance, huh?
20:01.54maquisyeah... he visits #utah as that :)
20:12.39redbeard1Zelut: where did you ever come up with that nick?
20:13.19Zelutwhich nick? mine or hers?
20:13.19redbeard1Zelut.
20:13.29redbeard1i'm just curious
20:13.38Zelutherlo calls me a Linux / Ubuntu Zealot (which I am) so I tried a spelling variation that was available.
20:14.00redbeard1i like that. that's cool.
20:14.01ZelutI really am quite a religious Zealot about Linux/OSS.
20:14.15redbeard1what about kuyadez? (sp?)
20:14.52Zelutkuyaedz is a pilipino nickname I had while I was there.  kuya being "older brother" and "edz" being short for my last name, Edwards.
20:15.12redbeard1makes sense
20:15.57Zelutredbeard1: I would use redbeard if you hadn't taken it.  One of my businesses is "RedBeard Consulting"
20:16.19redbeard1really? i don't remember you having a red beard
20:17.28redbeard1where did that come from?
20:18.00Zelutits not to the extent of yours but I prefer not to shave and generally sport red-scruff
20:18.17redbeard1i guess that works
20:21.35Zelutone of these days maybe I'll get there.
20:30.48[phoenyx]aren't the maquis the group that rebelled against the United Federation of Planets?</geek>
20:33.00redbeard1~geek [phoenyx]
20:34.57maquis[phoenyx]: yup
20:35.09maquisfreedom-fighters / rebels
20:38.05redbeard1herlo: i was wondering about your nick too
20:38.22redbeard1actually, now i'm wondering about almost everybody's nick, but i'll start small
20:38.25maquisherlo: weren't you hell-ro for a while too?
21:03.35atoponcecan you have multiple ServerAlias in the same VirtualHost in apache2?
21:04.13redbeard1atoponce: i think so
21:05.30redbeard1ServerAlias josephhall.com www.josephhall.com
21:05.34redbeard1like that?
21:05.40Zelutatoponce: yes
21:05.46atoponceredbeard1: more like:
21:06.38atoponceServerName www.aaarontoponce.org
21:06.46atoponceServerAlias aarontoponce.net
21:06.48atoponceServerAlias aarontoponce.org
21:06.52atoponceServerAlias aarontoponce.com
21:07.10atoponceshould all redirect to aarontoponce.org?
21:07.18redbeard1i think you can do that
21:07.28redbeard1try it
21:07.39redbeard1let me know
21:07.43redbeard1i'm interested now
21:08.05redbeard1if it doesn't work, my version will... you can do them all on the same line, i know that
21:08.52atoponcehmmm. .net and .com point to pthree.org (which i don't want), and .org "internal server error"
21:09.09atoponceso, it seems to be "okay"
21:09.24atoponcebut, why is .net and .com not resolving to .org?
21:09.34redbeard1try on the same line
21:10.47maquiser
21:10.57maquisdoesn't want to pay 500$ for a ps3...
21:11.30maquisa wii for 250 would be nice... but still on the expensive side
21:11.30atoponce.org now gives me "index of", but .com and .net both point to pthree.org still
21:11.48redbeard1atoponce: you sure they're not defined elsewhere?
21:12.04atoponceredbeard1: yeah. just barely set them up
21:12.07redbeard1atoponce: wait... which os is this on?
21:12.15atoponcelet me pastebin
21:12.17atoponceubuntu
21:12.33redbeard1i've been learning the hard way that redhat apache2 and debian apache2 are very, very different
21:13.46atoponceredbeard1: http://pastebin.ca/287868
21:14.19redbeard1atoponce: so, you have your config in /etc/apache2, right?
21:14.26redbeard1which file do you have that directive in?
21:14.46atoponce"aarontoponce.org" in /etc/apache2/sites-available
21:15.00Zelutdo you have that same .conf file in sites-enabled?
21:15.09redbeard1you need to symlink it
21:15.12atoponceZelut: yes. it's linked
21:15.14redbeard1in sites-enabled
21:15.17atoponceright
21:15.18atoponcedone
21:15.36redbeard1and none of those domains are in any other config files?
21:15.41atoponceno
21:17.31redbeard1here's mine:
21:17.31redbeard1ServerName josephhall.com
21:17.31redbeard1ServerAlias josephhall.com www.josephhall.com
21:17.44redbeard1i have the server name in both directives
21:17.53redbeard1but it has to be the first server alias
21:18.04atoponcewell, both are top-level .com, here, i'm using 3 different ones
21:18.24atoponceahh. let me try that (the first alias)
21:19.06redbeard1setting up apache2 on ubuntu server was very painful for me, coming from a redhat background
21:19.16atoponcestupid browser cache
21:19.25atoponcemy file was fine. :)
21:19.30redbeard1oh yeah?
21:19.43redbeard1interesting
21:19.48atoponceafter clearing the browser cache, all work fine
21:19.58atoponceas homer would say: doh!
21:20.08atoponcewait...
21:20.12atoponcenevermind
21:20.18redbeard1not so much?
21:20.50atoponcethey're pointing to the appropriate directory (no longer pthree), but still resolve as .net and .com.  i need to redirect to .org if any is typed in
21:21.08redbeard1oh. you can't do that with serveralias
21:21.19redbeard1you could probably use mod_rewrite tho
21:21.29atoponceafraid not. is there a redirect option?
21:21.34redbeard1or just do what i do and set up an index.pl to redirect
21:21.38atoponcemod_rewrite.... hmmm
21:24.16redbeard1in the past, i've just set up a seperate virtualhost and then put an index.pl in that directory that does nothing but redirect
21:24.46redbeard1#!/usr/bin/perl
21:24.46redbeard1print "Location: http://www.josephhall.com/\n\n";
21:24.55redbeard1simple as that
21:25.02atoponcethat's it?
21:25.10atoponceeasy enouch
21:25.16atoponces/ch/gh/
21:25.48atoponcewhy the \n\n?
21:26.01redbeard1http headers always end with \n\n
21:26.16redbeard1if you just do \n, you can add more headers
21:26.16atoponceinteresting.  can if-logic be used?
21:26.32redbeard1well, it is a perl script. what kind of if logic?
21:27.16atoponceif url=*.aarontoponce.* then print location http://www.aarontoponce.org/\n\n
21:28.15redbeard1print "Location: http://www.aarontoponce.org/\n\n" if url =~ /\.aarontoponce\./i;
21:28.53atoponcei don't need to predifne 'url'?
21:29.00redbeard1wait. sorry.
21:29.07redbeard1trying to remember what that needs to be
21:30.33redbeard1print "Location: http://www.aarontoponce.org/\n\n" if $ENV{HTTP_HOST} =~ /\.aarontoponce\./i;
21:30.33redbeard1i think that's write
21:30.33redbeard1s/write/right/
21:30.33atoponceah hah. that looks a little better
21:30.53atoponcehmm. some options to think about
21:30.54atoponcebrb
21:33.14redbeard1atoponce: if you want to see which options are available to look at, do this...
21:33.43redbeard1create a file named env.pl in your document root, and put this in it:
21:33.49redbeard1#!/usr/bin/perl
21:33.49redbeard1print "Content-type: text/html\n\n";
21:33.50redbeard1print "\$ENV{$_} => $ENV{$_}<br />\n" for keys %ENV;
21:35.44redbeard1maquis: you should store that one away to play with too... it may help you in your studies
21:36.32maquishmm?
21:37.03maquisisn't that kind-of like the php print_env() or whatever it is?
21:37.08redbeard1yeah
21:37.12maquisok
21:37.23redbeard1kind of
21:37.35redbeard1less fluffy tho
21:37.45maquislol
21:38.28redbeard1the php version tells you all sorts of information... this only tells you what apache environment variables are available to you
21:38.34redbeard1but it is very handy information
21:38.43maquisyeah
21:38.46maquiswill keep in mind
21:44.11herloredbeard1: my nick is something I made up in 1998 when I needed an alias for gaming

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