| 00:11.52 | Zelut | ergh this is driving me crazy |
| 00:12.05 | atoponce | ? |
| 00:12.09 | atoponce | wireless again? |
| 00:12.12 | Zelut | I think I turned on a proxy on a machine here but I can't turn it off. I think its in the system env |
| 00:12.33 | atoponce | ahh. yeah. i've had that happen |
| 00:12.40 | atoponce | i think liferea is the problem there |
| 00:12.47 | atoponce | not sure |
| 00:13.12 | Zelut | why would liferea be a problem with a proxy on another machine? |
| 00:14.20 | atoponce | on a different machine? i dunno. but i think it sets the http_proxy env on the local machine |
| 00:14.57 | Zelut | where can I check the http_proxy setting for a machine? |
| 00:15.40 | atoponce | env | grep http_proxy |
| 00:15.50 | linuxalien | Zelut, let me know if Q or iEmulator work for you. |
| 00:16.02 | Zelut | atoponce: no output |
| 00:16.44 | atoponce | env | grep -i http_proxy |
| 00:17.06 | Zelut | nada |
| 00:17.12 | atoponce | then it's not set |
| 00:17.25 | Zelut | hmm.. |
| 00:18.19 | Zelut | this is what I get when I try to aptitude: Could not connect to mirror.ubuntulinux.nl:80 (1.0.0.0). - connect (101 Network is unreachable) |
| 00:18.46 | atoponce | hmmm |
| 00:18.47 | Zelut | but pinging works.. |
| 00:20.33 | Zelut | I am ssh connected to the machine in question. It can ping google, yahoo and other random sites. It doesn't appear to have a proxy set.. so why don't firefox or aptitude get out? |
| 00:21.17 | atoponce | is firefox and aptitude running on the client, not the server? |
| 00:23.02 | Zelut | if I sit down at the machine itself FF times out on every request |
| 00:23.36 | atoponce | ok. what machine is having the problem getting out? the server or the client? |
| 00:24.10 | Zelut | they were one and the same. I setup the proxy on the local machine to proxy itself for parental controls. |
| 00:26.12 | atoponce | your pointing firefox to a proxy running on localhost? |
| 00:26.20 | atoponce | so, you're not using the ssh tunnel? |
| 00:26.46 | Zelut | no. it was using tinyproxy + dansguardian. |
| 00:26.58 | atoponce | i see |
| 00:27.15 | atoponce | so, are your proxy settings in firefox correct? |
| 00:27.42 | Zelut | I just realize that I hadn't removed tinyproxy so I'm trying that now. proxy settings for FF are set at none. |
| 00:30.04 | Zelut | I think that might have done it. |
| 00:32.17 | Zelut | hard to undo my steps when I don't remember my steps :) |
| 00:32.33 | atoponce | yeah |
| 00:32.38 | atoponce | that can be troublesome |
| 00:32.39 | atoponce | :) |
| 00:33.32 | Zelut | part of the reason I started the tutorials. So *I* could remember how to do things! |
| 00:38.08 | atoponce | :) |
| 00:38.37 | Zelut | this is interesting.. too bad its xp/vista only: http://www.watchmycell.com/index.php |
| 00:39.40 | Zelut | tracks your minutes and text usage on your deskto |
| 00:40.20 | atoponce | i think there's a firefox extension that is similar |
| 00:40.56 | Zelut | even better |
| 00:58.12 | Zelut | atoponce: looks like your IM poll was a hit. I'm actually surprised so many more people hate gaim |
| 01:26.29 | atoponce | ) |
| 01:26.31 | atoponce | *:) |
| 01:26.40 | atoponce | i should put in a not about how much i hate it |
| 01:26.44 | atoponce | but seriously |
| 01:26.58 | atoponce | over 700 hits today on the site, and over 1000 votes |
| 01:27.01 | atoponce | that's pretty good |
| 01:27.17 | Zelut | I've decided that I'm going to use KDE all this week. Knd of in response to all this recent talk about it |
| 01:28.37 | Zelut | and then post my thoughts on the differences in the two |
| 01:36.10 | atoponce | i don't like kde |
| 01:36.13 | atoponce | too cluttered |
| 01:38.01 | atoponce | even gnome is a bit much for me, but it's grown on me |
| 01:38.23 | Zelut | I haven't liked it when I've tried it but I want to give it a fair chance. |
| 01:39.59 | Zelut | in creating a list of apps I commonly use its ff, evolution & the torminal for ssh.. thats about it. |
| 01:42.00 | atoponce | yeah. really, i only use about 4-5 |
| 01:43.36 | atoponce | thunderbird, firefox, gnome-terminal, gajim, liferea, kgpg, amarok and that's about it |
| 01:44.12 | atoponce | terminal for ssh, vim, screen and irssi |
| 01:50.10 | Zelut | not sure how much longer it'll take to download kubuntu-desktop but I'll switch tonite. |
| 01:50.19 | atoponce | cool |
| 01:50.49 | Zelut | just as a fersonal research challenge |
| 01:50.58 | Zelut | bpb |
| 01:52.36 | atoponce | ~whf bpb |
| 01:52.47 | atoponce | ~heh |
| 01:52.50 | jbot | heh |
| 01:52.51 | atoponce | ~wtf whf |
| 01:53.02 | atoponce | ~wtf bpb |
| 02:21.32 | Zelut | looks like I'm at 50%.. man I hate DSL |
| 02:31.27 | Zelut | my home connection: 1.75M/s this DSL connection: 22.8kB/s |
| 02:31.40 | Zelut | (just tested) |
| 02:38.34 | Zelut | wow. I just downloaded the kubuntu alternate iso (698M) in 7min, 9 seconds. |
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| 02:40.59 | Zelut | wait, wrong math. 5min, 51 sec. |
| 02:41.29 | stuporglue | I've got this DVD drive that hard locks the computer if DMA is enabled. Any ideas what I can do? |
| 02:42.21 | Zelut | never seen that before |
| 02:44.02 | stuporglue | me either. :-/ The drive works fine in it's USB enclosure, but when I stuck it on the IDE cable..nothing but trouble |
| 02:44.30 | Zelut | bad cable? |
| 02:45.28 | stuporglue | hrm.....could be. I think I've got an extra around here. I'll try it out. |
| 02:45.43 | Zelut | that might be my guess |
| 02:47.42 | stuporglue | Back in a bit with the results. Thanks |
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| 03:13.33 | stuporglue | Christer, you're a genius. It would have been days before I doubted a new cable was bad. It's working great (so far :-) ) |
| 03:14.20 | Zelut | stuporglue: glad to hear |
| 03:14.35 | stuporglue | I did notice the cable that was in there was a 40 wire ribbon, and I replaced it with an 80 wire ribbon. I though either should have worked, but that 80 was just faster. |
| 03:16.46 | Zelut | maybe not. |
| 03:19.23 | Zelut | 2min to go.. finally |
| 03:20.53 | stuporglue | Zelut: What are you working on? |
| 03:22.18 | Zelut | stuporglue: I challenged myself to use KDE for an entire week.. just finally finished downloading on my Dad's crappy DSL connection. |
| 03:22.45 | Zelut | Fetched 181MB in 1h56m28s (25.8kB/s) |
| 03:22.57 | stuporglue | wow. |
| 03:23.22 | Zelut | while that was going I ssh'd to my home connection & did a wget for the kubuntu iso. It was done in 5min, 51sec (698M)! |
| 03:23.24 | stuporglue | I almost put on KDE for Caroline this time. Then I decided against it and spent 40 minutes finding non-brown themes for her |
| 03:23.35 | stuporglue | lol. Gotta love high speed. |
| 03:23.56 | Zelut | gotta love utopia fiber and getting the .iso from your ISP. |
| 03:24.07 | stuporglue | true |
| 03:24.22 | Zelut | I usually just switch to the Industrial Tango theme. It's blue, quick and clean. No more brown. |
| 03:25.15 | stuporglue | I changed the GDM page too |
| 03:25.35 | stuporglue | I didn't quite like the Industrial Tango theme. It's better than brown though |
| 03:34.06 | Zelut | stuporglue: so any initial review of Vista so far? |
| 03:34.07 | stuporglue | It's Windows. |
| 03:34.27 | stuporglue | It's fine, but it's not for me |
| 03:35.17 | Zelut | brb - switching to KDE |
| 03:38.42 | stuporglue | A lot of features in Vista seem to be more hidden than in previous versions of Windows. There is one thing that is pretty cool though. Vista can resize the filesystem it's running off of. That's nice because 1) There are no OSS tools to resize Vista NTFS and 2) There's a Microsoft approved way to resize the OS |
| 03:43.53 | Zelut | I'll keep that in mind when I help resize to add ubuntu :) |
| 03:45.05 | Zelut | I don't know why but I can't stand cluttered menus from having gnome & KDE installed. Makes me want to dual boot or simply install KDE from scratch. |
| 03:50.13 | stuporglue | Have a good night all |
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| 05:13.19 | sontek | hey I just got in =) But yeah everyone hates gaim :) |
| 05:15.11 | sontek | Zelut: after you use KDE for a week you should check out enlightenment |
| 05:15.48 | sontek | Zelut: enlightenment is my favorite just because of its extensibility |
| 05:15.51 | Zelut | sontek: I think I've tested that more recently than KDE. seemed to have quite a learning curve |
| 05:16.25 | sontek | Its definitely a learning curve but once you figure everything out its amazing |
| 05:16.33 | sontek | and it can run on top of KDE/Gnome |
| 05:18.10 | sontek | The only reason I don't use KDE is because of QT |
| 05:19.32 | sontek | I like gnome as a window manager it just doesn't allow enough customizing |
| 05:26.31 | Zelut | I think I did have enlightenment installed over gnome for a bit.. just seemed confusing. |
| 05:26.49 | Zelut | so far I don't hate KDE but we'll see how things go as I actually have to work this week |
| 05:27.43 | Zelut | initial thoughts are: Konquerer is nice but its no FF. Customization options up the wazoo.. |
| 05:30.10 | sontek | I think my favorite application built for kde/qt is kopete |
| 05:30.20 | sontek | And KDE has a lot of amazing themes |
| 05:31.41 | sontek | but ethically, I just don't use KDE because Troll refuses to release Qt completely free |
| 05:31.47 | sontek | Its free under opensource operating systems |
| 05:31.51 | sontek | but you have to pay to use it under windows |
| 05:32.06 | Zelut | really? didn't know that |
| 05:32.19 | sontek | it took years to even have it free under linux |
| 05:33.51 | sontek | But thats not to take away from it, If I had to choose a code base to work on it'd be QT =) |
| 05:34.13 | sontek | Gnome is a mess |
| 05:34.22 | sontek | they need to start from scratch |
| 05:34.29 | atoponce | debian wouldn't put in in their distro, obviously, until it was free |
| 05:34.45 | atoponce | qt is c++ while gnome is c, iirc |
| 05:34.53 | sontek | correct atoponce |
| 05:35.02 | atoponce | so, just because of that, i'd dev for qt hands down |
| 05:35.07 | sontek | but even with the language differences, Gnome was poorly designed to start |
| 05:35.30 | atoponce | and it's way behind. it needs a face lift, but no one believes me |
| 05:35.39 | atoponce | s/believes/agrees/ |
| 05:35.50 | atoponce | s/ees/ees with/ |
| 05:36.09 | sontek | I think it looks good but it good definitely look better |
| 05:36.13 | sontek | could* |
| 05:36.36 | atoponce | it's just old, and really hasn't seen much in the way of visual changes for quite some time |
| 05:36.57 | atoponce | kde is making big headway in the visual area, but gnome just likes to put behind for some reason |
| 05:37.01 | Zelut | so there is more to this linus vs gnome fiasco afterall huh |
| 05:37.07 | atoponce | everything they're doing is under the hood |
| 05:37.09 | sontek | Well, there are GTK bindings in mono if you want to start a .net windows manager that looks pretty ;) |
| 05:37.12 | sontek | i'll help :P |
| 05:37.17 | atoponce | meh |
| 05:37.18 | atoponce | .net |
| 05:37.31 | atoponce | i've seen it |
| 05:37.37 | sontek | Zelut: Theres lots to it, Many distros have dropped support for gnome in recent years |
| 05:37.41 | atoponce | i think Zelut played with it |
| 05:37.51 | Zelut | atoponce: wha? |
| 05:38.08 | sontek | Zelut: Slackware dropped it in their latest release |
| 05:38.12 | atoponce | didn't you use the app-manager, or whatever it is that is now default in suse? |
| 05:38.39 | Zelut | atoponce: the new app menu layout & control center? yeah |
| 05:38.39 | atoponce | http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Feb-18.html |
| 05:38.44 | atoponce | ^^ that |
| 05:38.56 | Zelut | sontek: who knew slackware was even still around :) |
| 05:39.25 | Zelut | ergh, why can't I click on links within konsole like I could with gnome-terminal? |
| 05:39.30 | atoponce | if slack had a package manager that handled dependancies, i'd be all over it |
| 05:39.34 | sontek | Thats not the only thing wrote in .net =) Tomboy, Beagle, Banshee, and F-Spot are all .net |
| 05:39.54 | atoponce | mono you mean. :) |
| 05:40.12 | sontek | atoponce: they have emerge and apt-get for slackware |
| 05:40.18 | Zelut | sontek: and the first three are some of my favorite apps |
| 05:40.27 | sontek | atoponce: mono is an opensource implementation of .net |
| 05:40.41 | atoponce | yeah, but it sux. the repos don't have near the software that debian/ubuntu has |
| 05:40.44 | sontek | atoponce: the only difference between the 2 is mono doesn't have all of the framework implemented yet |
| 05:40.52 | atoponce | sontek: and the license |
| 05:41.30 | sontek | yes but they aren't looking to be seperated from ms .net, so theres no point in trying to make a distinction between the two |
| 05:41.51 | sontek | they are just trying to make a good platform to develop on |
| 05:41.59 | sontek | because most of the mono developers were gnome developers |
| 05:42.00 | atoponce | right |
| 05:42.03 | sontek | and they were sick of C :P |
| 05:42.05 | atoponce | which is fine |
| 05:42.38 | atoponce | but the licensing between mono and .net is different enough to make the distinction, as well as the gui forms (obviously) |
| 05:42.57 | sontek | they have windows forms implemented in mono |
| 05:43.02 | sontek | but they also have gtk |
| 05:43.33 | atoponce | really? didn't know that. System.Windows.Forms (or whatever it is)? |
| 05:43.37 | sontek | yeap |
| 05:43.41 | atoponce | interesting |
| 05:43.46 | sontek | Its pretty much fully functional |
| 05:44.02 | Zelut | well I'm off to bed ya'll. |
| 05:44.04 | sontek | its funny because the ms .net has some bugs in SWF and the mono developers remade those bugs :P |
| 05:44.28 | atoponce | lol |
| 05:44.49 | Zelut | nite |
| 05:44.55 | sontek | night Zelut |
| 05:44.58 | atoponce | Zelut: check jabber |
| 05:45.25 | Zelut | atoponce: you check jabber :) |
| 05:45.34 | atoponce | i am. nothing there |
| 05:45.47 | atoponce | the last thing i see is: "good to publish, then?" |
| 05:45.57 | Zelut | replied twice now.. odd |
| 05:46.09 | Zelut | I wonder sometimes about this bitlbee client |
| 05:46.10 | atoponce | hmmm |
| 05:46.18 | Zelut | yeah, looks good |
| 05:46.19 | sontek | well, the guy who wrote gaim wrote googletalk so you know how well it works ;) |
| 05:46.21 | atoponce | ok. cool |
| 05:46.44 | atoponce | sontek: the gaim devs need to fall of the earth, and gaim needs to pick up a new team |
| 05:46.45 | Zelut | sontek: you think the googletalk code is as bass-ackwards as the gaim code? |
| 05:46.49 | atoponce | it's freaking ridiculous |
| 05:47.13 | atoponce | jabber is open, yet you can't implement it correctly? |
| 05:47.14 | sontek | atoponce: well, the lead guy from gaim isn't working on gaim anymore so we might see a change :P |
| 05:47.21 | atoponce | ~cmon |
| 05:47.29 | atoponce | sontek: that's good news |
| 05:47.31 | Zelut | now I'm really gone |
| 05:47.34 | Zelut | ~wave |
| 05:47.39 | atoponce | but, i don't really care. gajim for me |
| 05:47.42 | atoponce | Zelut: night |
| 05:47.51 | sontek | Zelut: I bet its better since he learned a lot through the years of making gaim |
| 05:48.32 | sontek | I use gaim for the most part just because messaging isn't a big part of my daily life |
| 05:48.44 | sontek | I used to use bitlbee but I actually preferred gaim over it :P |
| 05:48.58 | atoponce | there are two things, aside from many others, that keep me from using it |
| 05:49.04 | atoponce | 1) group messaging |
| 05:49.18 | sontek | 2) Its file sending |
| 05:49.18 | atoponce | 2) gpg public key encryption |
| 05:49.45 | sontek | You guys ever tried using centericq? |
| 05:49.57 | atoponce | i'm not interested in 3rd party addons. that's fine for your gramma, but if i generate a gpg key, i want to use it |
| 05:50.10 | atoponce | no. is it just for icq? |
| 05:50.12 | sontek | I thought gaim supported gpg natively |
| 05:50.19 | atoponce | sontek: not quite |
| 05:50.22 | sontek | nope, it supports aim and msn |
| 05:50.30 | sontek | its a great console messenger |
| 05:50.51 | atoponce | it does through otr and gaim-encryption, but you can't use your personal gpg key. you have to generate one in the client |
| 05:51.09 | sontek | ahh, that seems backwards |
| 05:51.10 | atoponce | ahh. i don't have aim or msn accounts. ツ |
| 05:51.24 | atoponce | yeah. it is, if you ask me |
| 05:51.34 | atoponce | gajim and psi do it right |
| 05:51.35 | sontek | well it also supports jabber ;) |
| 05:51.52 | atoponce | assign your gpg key, and the key(s) to your contacts |
| 05:52.17 | sontek | yeah, next meet you'll have to show me around gpg =) |
| 05:52.23 | atoponce | does centericq support file transfer, being a console client? |
| 05:52.39 | atoponce | oh yeah. i need to send out that email |
| 05:52.42 | atoponce | thx for reminding me |
| 05:52.43 | atoponce | :) |
| 05:53.07 | sontek | I remember it supporting IRC and AIM file sending |
| 05:53.18 | sontek | but I don't think the jabber standard itself supports file sending |
| 05:53.24 | sontek | but I might be wrong on that |
| 05:53.30 | atoponce | it does |
| 05:53.48 | atoponce | at least, i use it at work all the time |
| 05:54.07 | sontek | well, google talk supports file sending |
| 05:54.13 | sontek | but I don't know if actual jabber does |
| 05:54.22 | sontek | google talk is a modified jabber implementation |
| 05:54.24 | atoponce | i don't use my gmail account for jabber |
| 05:54.34 | atoponce | i have my own jabber server. :) |
| 05:54.36 | sontek | well, then I guess it does =) |
| 05:54.44 | atoponce | aaron@aarontoponce.org |
| 05:54.47 | atoponce | is my jid |
| 05:56.29 | sontek | I used to run my own jabber server but I move so much it was just easier to use googles :P |
| 06:12.02 | sontek | Zelut: ubuntu-tutorials.com seems to be dead |
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| 15:50.55 | tristanbob_ | canonical is hiring http://www.ubuntu.com/employment |
| 16:02.19 | maquis | tristanbob_: are they working today? |
| 16:02.23 | maquis | or do they get the day off? |
| 16:02.47 | tristanbob_ | probably working - US presidents not so important it seems |
| 16:02.58 | maquis | *grumble* |
| 16:03.27 | maquis | bus trip was light today |
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| 16:03.50 | atoponce | the drive into work wasn't |
| 16:03.54 | tristanbob_ | anti-americans! |
| 16:04.00 | atoponce | stupid snow |
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| 16:05.53 | maquis | someone just said "morning" to me... i'm not sure who |
| 16:06.16 | maquis | might've been our new director... i think i'm one of the only people he knows the name of |
| 16:06.32 | maquis | granted, i'm the only girl under him.... |
| 16:06.32 | atoponce | too bad you can't do /lastlog in life |
| 16:06.41 | atoponce | that would be helpful |
| 16:06.42 | maquis | :) |
| 16:06.54 | maquis | just like <esc> u |
| 16:07.24 | maquis | or... ctrl-c |
| 16:08.44 | atoponce | ツ |
| 16:09.09 | maquis | just all the different commands that i'm used to using in various apps that would be exceptionally useful in regular life |
| 16:09.18 | maquis | actually, one of the greatest would be transaction rollback |
| 16:09.41 | maquis | if you do something and it doesn't have the results you wanted, quit without committing... |
| 16:10.21 | tristanbob_ | maquis: good idea |
| 16:10.31 | maquis | :) |
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| 16:15.18 | atoponce | 1200 votes on my poll |
| 16:17.44 | maquis | atoponce: i bet i could write a perl script to make that go up a bit faster.... |
| 16:18.24 | atoponce | :) |
| 16:18.32 | atoponce | i probably could too |
| 16:18.33 | atoponce | but |
| 16:18.37 | atoponce | 1200 isn't bad |
| 16:18.44 | atoponce | that gives a good representation |
| 16:19.04 | maquis | :) |
| 16:19.39 | maquis | a couple thousand more, and you could have an even better representation, depicting whatever you want it to depict |
| 16:21.21 | maquis | interesting... this windows box apparently doesn't have anything equivalent to libdvdcss |
| 16:22.38 | tristanbob_ | you find that interesting? you mean you are suprised? |
| 16:22.56 | tristanbob_ | the dvd nazi says: no dvd for you! |
| 16:23.13 | maquis | tristanbob_: that kinda stinks... how do windoze-users watch dvds? |
| 16:23.36 | tristanbob_ | maquis: they either buy a dvd program or one comes with the dvd drive |
| 16:23.47 | tristanbob_ | or the OEM ships one |
| 16:24.07 | tristanbob_ | and yes, it is stinky |
| 16:24.29 | tristanbob_ | atoponce: I wish I was at work |
| 16:24.52 | tristanbob_ | my ssh keys are there and I forgot to make a hole in firewall for me remote-acess |
| 16:24.59 | maquis | yipes... the plugins for wmp cost money! |
| 16:25.24 | tristanbob_ | I might have my gpg key on a USB key.... can I use that on Windoze? |
| 16:25.54 | tristanbob_ | maquis: I'm suprised that you are suprised |
| 16:26.24 | maquis | tristanbob_: i've never paid money for a dvd decoder before |
| 16:26.35 | maquis | in fact, it's been a long time since i've paid for *any* software |
| 16:27.44 | maquis | why do people use windows? |
| 16:28.37 | tristanbob_ | maquis: yes you have - the cost is included in the hardware of a dvd drive or dvd player |
| 16:28.55 | tristanbob_ | there is a royalty that is included in DVD players |
| 16:29.07 | tristanbob_ | not sure if royalty is the correct term |
| 16:29.13 | tristanbob_ | licence |
| 16:29.53 | maquis | tristanbob_: if it's included in the cost of the hardware, why are they trying to get me to pay again? |
| 16:30.42 | tristanbob_ | hmmm - it shoud have come with the drive |
| 16:30.48 | tristanbob_ | a cd |
| 16:30.59 | tristanbob_ | powerdvd or similar |
| 16:31.27 | tristanbob_ | since you paid for it, just ask for another copy ;) |
| 16:31.34 | maquis | lol |
| 16:31.53 | maquis | it's my work machine... so technically i didn't pay for it... but still... |
| 16:34.35 | atoponce | tristanbob_: yes. you can use your gpg keys on windows |
| 16:34.42 | tristanbob_ | putty? |
| 16:35.03 | atoponce | hmmm. for ssh access? not sure. really don't know |
| 16:35.09 | tristanbob_ | darn, I only have my gpg key, not ssh key |
| 16:35.16 | atoponce | but, i think you should be able to use your gpg keys for ssh access |
| 16:35.24 | atoponce | i would rather use that than generated ssh keys |
| 16:35.30 | atoponce | just more i have to keep track of |
| 16:35.42 | tristanbob_ | ubuntu planet is what I am looking to do |
| 16:35.48 | atoponce | ahh |
| 16:35.53 | tristanbob_ | maybe I'll drive into work ;) |
| 16:36.07 | atoponce | did you leave your laptop there or something? |
| 16:36.46 | tristanbob_ | no - my keys are on my work desktop - and I just installed firestarter (blocking remote access) |
| 16:37.05 | atoponce | i see |
| 16:38.18 | tristanbob_ | atoponce: you liking the popularity of the planet? |
| 16:38.31 | tristanbob_ | atoponce: btw - good post on us-teams |
| 16:39.04 | tristanbob_ | good content, along with good formating of text with bold and bulletpoints |
| 16:41.30 | tristanbob_ | atoponce: sounds like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtahTeam needs to be changed to ubuntu-utah |
| 16:47.48 | atoponce | tristanbob_: well, the wiki is fine, due to redundancy with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuUtah |
| 16:48.00 | atoponce | so, with the wiki, StateTeam works |
| 16:48.11 | atoponce | thx, btw. and yes, i love the planet |
| 16:48.22 | atoponce | yesterday, received almost 700 uniques |
| 16:48.23 | atoponce | :) |
| 16:48.43 | atoponce | much more than the ~100 that i'm used to seeing |
| 16:53.59 | maquis | sweet... i'm starting to get people coming to my website via google actually looking for things i have info on |
| 16:54.39 | maquis | "running out of semaphores" "semget error" "fcitx chinese setting" "running vim in screen" |
| 16:54.43 | maquis | etc |
| 16:55.32 | maquis | Zelut: thanks for letting me link to myself in my comment, btw... i've gotten 10 visitors since i posted last night! |
| 16:56.36 | atoponce | maquis: congrats! ツ |
| 16:57.22 | Zelut | maquis: yay |
| 16:57.47 | maquis | atoponce: thx :) |
| 16:57.49 | maquis | Zelut: :) |
| 16:58.00 | atoponce | i need a way to better manage my gpg keys |
| 16:58.09 | Zelut | looks like I had more server trouble this morning after getting highly digged again. |
| 16:58.19 | atoponce | having them in two locations is *not* secure, but i need the access on both locations |
| 16:58.34 | maquis | atoponce: maybe have 2 different keys? |
| 16:58.44 | atoponce | i've thought about putting them on my usb thumb drive, but if i lose that... |
| 16:59.04 | atoponce | maquis: i still run the risk of managing a private key in two locations |
| 16:59.41 | maquis | atoponce: true... but if one gets attacked, you can revoke it and keep the other |
| 16:59.48 | atoponce | true |
| 17:00.07 | maquis | you could also probably determine which one is less secure |
| 17:00.08 | atoponce | it's also a pain keeping one key synced between two locations |
| 17:02.33 | maquis | yeah |
| 17:02.47 | maquis | the only thing i really use my key for is signing email |
| 17:03.19 | atoponce | same here. i encrypt things from time to time |
| 17:03.25 | atoponce | wait. i had a marvelous idea |
| 17:03.32 | maquis | what? |
| 17:03.45 | atoponce | what if i mounted the remote location with sshfs, then pointed the programs to look at that location? |
| 17:03.49 | atoponce | hmmmm |
| 17:03.56 | atoponce | should work |
| 17:04.20 | atoponce | then, i only have to keep track of one key, and i can manage when sshfs is mounted and when it isn't |
| 17:04.23 | maquis | that's better than sticking a copy of your gpg key on your work machine |
| 17:04.34 | atoponce | thus, not running the risk of getting my key compromised |
| 17:04.39 | atoponce | brb |
| 17:10.10 | atoponce | sweet. it's a little slow, but *much* more secure |
| 17:12.27 | Zelut | atoponce: you're a blogging machine lately! |
| 17:13.07 | atoponce | i am |
| 17:13.28 | atoponce | it'll wear off |
| 17:13.30 | atoponce | :) |
| 17:16.44 | tristanbob_ | Zelut: considering wordpress.com for hosting? ;) |
| 17:17.21 | Zelut | tristanbob_: I would use wordpress over blogger, yeah |
| 17:23.25 | atoponce | well, i don't think junk1 will be a problem again |
| 17:23.32 | atoponce | i don't think he'll be back in the channel |
| 17:23.37 | atoponce | and i didn't have to ban him |
| 17:29.26 | atoponce | man sshfs is nice |
| 17:32.04 | atoponce | s/man// |
| 17:32.26 | atoponce | the man page isn't really all that cool. just the program |
| 17:45.47 | maquis | atoponce: how'd you deal with him without banning? |
| 17:48.46 | *** join/#ubuntu-utah linuxalien (i=UNKNOWN@sp1.cotse.net) |
| 17:49.02 | linuxalien | Hewwo |
| 17:53.02 | Zelut | brb meeting |
| 17:54.29 | linuxalien | k |
| 17:58.20 | atoponce | maquis: sent him a memo via memoserv |
| 17:58.33 | maquis | atoponce: saying? |
| 17:58.56 | maquis | Zelut: you have meetings this early? |
| 17:59.04 | etank | atoponce: you rang? |
| 18:16.37 | *** join/#ubuntu-utah TacoJockey (i=UNKNOWN@sp1.cotse.net) |
| 18:37.38 | atoponce | Zelut: i think the utes logo should be used for our launchpad team |
| 18:37.40 | atoponce | just do it |
| 18:37.41 | atoponce | :) |
| 18:39.23 | tristanbob_ | <linuxalien> Hewwo |
| 18:39.23 | tristanbob_ | <Zelut> brb meeting |
| 18:39.23 | tristanbob_ | <linuxalien> k |
| 18:39.23 | tristanbob_ | <atoponce> maquis: sent him a memo via memoserv |
| 18:39.23 | tristanbob_ | <maquis> atoponce: saying? |
| 18:39.24 | tristanbob_ | <maquis> Zelut: you have meetings this early? |
| 18:39.26 | tristanbob_ | <etank> atoponce: you rang? |
| 18:39.32 | tristanbob_ | wow that was a fat-finger mistake |
| 18:39.45 | etank | lol |
| 18:40.10 | tristanbob_ | Zelut: I hope you don't mind I linked to your post |
| 18:40.21 | tristanbob_ | I figured you wouldn't mind the traffic |
| 18:40.39 | tristanbob_ | http://digg.com/linux_unix/What_does_the_Ubuntu_Linspire_deal_mean |
| 18:40.51 | atoponce | maquis: basically, that he was constantly off topic, and that a few members in the channel were getting bothered by it |
| 18:41.23 | atoponce | and, that if he wanted to continue to participate in the channel, he needed to be on-topic, or i would ban him |
| 18:41.39 | atoponce | he needs to use #ubuntu or some other support channel for his questions |
| 18:42.40 | atoponce | i was nice, but direct |
| 18:42.55 | atoponce | i'd rather consult with the user, than just flat out ban |
| 18:43.17 | atoponce | i want them to know what exactly the issue is, so if i do need to issue a kick or ban, they know why |
| 18:51.04 | maquis | atoponce: i wish that that worked with our troublemakers in #utah |
| 18:51.04 | maquis | (granted, our troublemaker in #utah is gone for a while currently) |
| 18:51.05 | atoponce | do i need to guess? |
| 18:51.08 | maquis | i doubt it |
| 18:51.25 | atoponce | in the armed forces? or from georgia? |
| 18:51.34 | maquis | let's just say that i asked timriker if there was a way to cause ibot to kick anyone who said "usmc" |
| 18:51.44 | atoponce | lol |
| 18:51.49 | atoponce | that answered my question |
| 18:51.53 | maquis | :) |
| 18:52.04 | atoponce | you could write an irssi script for it, i bet |
| 18:52.09 | maquis | true |
| 18:52.15 | atoponce | although the irssi bindings are kind of a pain |
| 18:52.18 | maquis | but it'd be funnier if ibot was doing it |
| 18:52.38 | maquis | wow... i'm hot and cold at the same time |
| 18:52.39 | atoponce | well, have irssi send the request to ibot, if you have that power as an op |
| 18:52.41 | atoponce | not sure |
| 18:53.32 | atoponce | just too distracted atm |
| 18:53.37 | atoponce | :) |
| 18:53.54 | maquis | i'm worried i'm coming down sick |
| 18:54.03 | atoponce | not good |
| 18:54.07 | maquis | yeah |
| 18:54.16 | maquis | being hot and cold at the same time is kinda a bad sign |
| 18:54.27 | atoponce | yeah. sounds like th flu |
| 18:54.32 | atoponce | did you get your flu shots? |
| 18:54.37 | maquis | yeah... i got them |
| 18:55.40 | atoponce | cool |
| 18:55.47 | atoponce | ok. back to coding |
| 18:55.59 | atoponce | i need to accomplish *something* before lunch |
| 19:48.49 | maquis | ~work atoponce |
| 19:48.50 | jbot | ACTION looks over the shoulder of atoponce to see what needs to be done and then sets the elves to work getting it all done so atoponce can play bzflag |
| 20:02.40 | Zelut | I am now officially on KDE after a fresh install of kubuntu 6.10 |
| 20:03.10 | Zelut | maquis: I may try your suggestion one of these days, but KDE has had me curious and I need to scratch this itch |
| 20:06.09 | maquis | Zelut: :) |
| 20:10.33 | maquis | Zelut: i'm just glad you convinced me to actually get a blog posting up |
| 20:13.47 | Zelut | maquis: good. are you going to write about your minimalist WM? :) |
| 20:14.26 | maquis | Zelut: i need to eventually |
| 20:18.41 | Zelut | so far the katapult app is pretty sweet |
| 20:18.53 | maquis | katapult? |
| 20:20.28 | Zelut | alt-space will quick find the app and launch it based on matching what you type |
| 20:21.04 | Zelut | ie; alt-space and then fir will find firefox to launch |
| 20:24.18 | maquis | interesting |
| 20:24.28 | maquis | what's the advantage over just having the app in your path? |
| 20:27.23 | Zelut | maquis: well this is for launching it in the gui |
| 20:29.07 | maquis | Zelut: uh... couldn't it just look in $PATH? |
| 20:29.49 | maquis | Zelut: what's a good gnome game? |
| 20:33.04 | Zelut | a nice transparent overlay in the GUI that finds the app and the icon for launching |
| 20:33.10 | Zelut | maquis: monkey bubbles |
| 20:33.37 | maquis | hmmm |
| 20:33.45 | maquis | i think this machine doesn't have any games on it... |
| 20:33.54 | maquis | i couldn't find any of the ones i knew about, and that one isn't here either :( |
| 20:35.51 | Zelut | I like that one of frozen bubble |
| 20:50.12 | maquis | my word... today has been a week long already |
| 20:51.06 | maquis | !geek |
| 20:51.08 | UtahBot | You might be a geek if you've bought one of those license plate holders on which you can have your URL or E-Mail address embossed. |
| 21:23.22 | atoponce | ~blog maquis |
| 21:23.24 | jbot | ACTION scrambles to his keyboard so he can proclaim to the world his unique knowledge and perspective on maquis |
| 21:38.04 | Zelut | man today is just go go go |
| 21:39.03 | Zelut | ..and its hard to keep up on a new WM too |
| 21:53.57 | atoponce | http://chalain.livejournal.com/43015.html |
| 22:01.09 | Zelut | I need a break today so I can try to setup KDE for production |
| 22:20.26 | atoponce | how do you setup sshd to *not* allow password-based logins, and keys only? |
| 22:23.10 | maquis | atoponce: i believe it's someplace in the sshd.conf |
| 22:24.15 | atoponce | yeah. looking, and it's not obvious |
| 22:27.23 | maquis | atoponce: hmmm |
| 22:27.27 | maquis | did you ask dr google? |
| 22:27.28 | atoponce | PasswordAuthentication no |
| 22:27.32 | atoponce | is alread set |
| 22:27.42 | atoponce | but, yet, it asks for my password still |
| 22:28.28 | maquis | does it accept your password? |
| 22:29.03 | atoponce | yes |
| 22:29.24 | maquis | hmmm |
| 22:29.30 | maquis | i'd ask dr google |
| 22:29.35 | atoponce | asking |
| 22:29.40 | atoponce | i think he's on vacation |
| 22:30.24 | maquis | really? |
| 22:42.47 | atoponce | um hm |
| 22:48.55 | maquis | interesting |
| 23:00.36 | Zelut | holy crap. kmail does work with exchange |
| 23:02.10 | atoponce | ChallengeResponseAuthentication no && PasswordAuthentication no |
| 23:02.16 | atoponce | that's what's needed |
| 23:02.40 | atoponce | Challenge... was commented out, so that means 'yes' by default, i guess |
| 23:02.43 | atoponce | or |
| 23:02.53 | atoponce | PasswordAuthentication no && UsePAM no |
| 23:03.04 | atoponce | both work |
| 23:16.54 | Zelut | the FF extension I requested is done |
| 23:23.59 | Zelut | I forgot to backup my postfix config for local sendmail.. I hate it when I do that. |
| 23:28.41 | maquis | i usually don't end up copying it back in, but i do use it for reference when i get stuck |
| 23:30.01 | Zelut | I should have done that |
| 23:30.15 | maquis | it's very useful on occasion |
| 23:30.22 | maquis | i don't really like apache configuration and such... |
| 23:36.54 | Zelut | man.. can't remember how I setup my relay_host for local sendmail.. always miss something on a backup |