| 00:03.30 | stuporglue | Between PCI wireless card and a USB wireless card, which is the recommended? Does anyone know of one that "just works"? |
| 00:05.44 | phinux | When you say "just works," Do you mean with or without NDISwrapper? |
| 00:13.39 | stuporglue | phinux: without would be better. I'm sure I could get almost anything I bought to work with it. |
| 00:13.48 | stuporglue | But if I can avoid it, I'd rather |
| 00:14.53 | phinux | At home I use a USB wirelsess card from Netgear. It needs NDISwrapper, but it was pretty easy to set up. The WG111T...I think. |
| 00:15.10 | phinux | This was under FC4 though. |
| 00:15.45 | phinux | The only issue I had is when I start using an updated Kernel. Then I have to go through the NDIS steps all over again. |
| 00:22.01 | stuporglue | Yeah |
| 00:22.34 | stuporglue | I can deal with that if I need to, but if I don't have to, that'd be better |
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| 00:49.57 | phinux | stuporglue: is this for a laptop or desktop? |
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| 01:13.13 | Zelut | does anyone know if the daylight savings fix has been handed down yet? |
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| 02:14.36 | atoponce | 3+ |
| 02:33.16 | Zelut | daylight savings is fixed, btw. |
| 02:33.32 | Zelut | zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007 |
| 02:33.50 | Zelut | should show the new dates.. I love the speed of open source updates |
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| 04:04.27 | atoponce | april 23???? |
| 04:04.32 | atoponce | what's up with that? |
| 04:04.36 | atoponce | they think that's funny? |
| 04:04.50 | sontek | yeah they can die |
| 04:05.07 | sontek | but atleast we got to see linderman |
| 04:05.31 | atoponce | lol |
| 04:06.08 | atoponce | and the faceoff between peter and sylar is going to be great |
| 04:22.43 | atoponce | Zelut: ping |
| 05:32.50 | atoponce | maquis: you'd be happy to know that i'm trying evilwm |
| 05:43.12 | Zelut | atoponce: pong |
| 05:43.41 | atoponce | Zelut: nm. i found what i was looking for: the new gtk-engines for gnome |
| 05:43.53 | Zelut | did you get one of those themes working? |
| 05:43.58 | atoponce | no |
| 05:44.08 | atoponce | i should find the .deb |
| 05:44.19 | Zelut | atoponce: looks like we've probably got ourselves a council for us teams |
| 05:44.24 | atoponce | i'm really not interested in the latest and greatest, as he advocates on the site |
| 05:44.34 | atoponce | Zelut: yeah. that's what i wast just reading |
| 05:44.56 | Zelut | if we base the council on the people on that list, minus Joey & Jono that leaves you me and Steve. |
| 05:46.24 | atoponce | yeah |
| 05:46.35 | Zelut | what do you think about that? |
| 05:47.06 | atoponce | that's pretty good i think |
| 05:48.46 | Zelut | I thought a lot about it on the way back from colo. I did start to lean that way but it feels like a really big responsibility |
| 05:49.09 | Zelut | ...but I think we've kind of put ourselves in that position before we really knew what was going on :) |
| 05:49.21 | atoponce | hmmm |
| 05:49.30 | atoponce | i really don't think that it is necessary |
| 05:49.37 | atoponce | we've been doing just fine without it |
| 05:50.17 | Zelut | I don't really think its necessary either except for appearances. |
| 05:50.33 | Zelut | I think people need to have some central people to look to sometimes. |
| 05:50.44 | atoponce | makes sense |
| 05:51.28 | Zelut | and I think the three of us agree on the 'guide vs govern' idea so there isn't much risk for trouble |
| 05:51.40 | atoponce | no |
| 05:51.56 | Zelut | no? |
| 05:52.11 | atoponce | no = i agree. there won't be any trouble |
| 05:52.29 | atoponce | we all have the same goals and opinions towards the project, i think |
| 05:52.33 | Zelut | hehe ok. |
| 05:52.35 | Zelut | yeah. |
| 05:52.36 | atoponce | so it should be lead just fine |
| 05:53.09 | Zelut | so I think if Jono really wants some sort of formal council we can give him something but, again, I think its more for appearances than anything. |
| 05:53.24 | atoponce | yeah |
| 05:57.22 | atoponce | !uptime |
| 05:57.22 | UtahBot | 4UtahBot 14has been up for:4 4 14week(s)4 3 14day(s)4 4 14hour(s)4 50 14minute(s)4 10 14second(s). |
| 05:57.22 | atoponce | nice |
| 05:57.22 | Zelut | new record |
| 05:57.27 | atoponce | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.53 | Zelut | one of these days I need to ask you how to get those scripts working. I have a bot but he still doesn't do much more than sit there. |
| 05:58.40 | atoponce | sure. np. mainly, i just find scripts from eggheads, and put them in |
| 05:59.13 | Zelut | put them in where? :) |
| 05:59.54 | atoponce | in the scripts dir |
| 06:00.21 | Zelut | I guess I need to look more closely at my installation huh |
| 06:01.40 | atoponce | look at your eggdrop.conf, and see where it has the default scripts installed, and put all of yours there |
| 06:02.00 | atoponce | but really, you can put them anywhere, as long as they are referenced correctly in your config file |
| 06:03.00 | Zelut | I see the eggdrop download but not scripts at eggheads.org |
| 06:04.27 | atoponce | http://www.egghelp.org/tcl.htm |
| 06:04.32 | atoponce | egghelp, my bad |
| 06:04.34 | atoponce | :) |
| 06:05.31 | Zelut | there we go |
| 06:06.07 | Zelut | any basic scripts you recommend? there seem to be quite a few here |
| 06:07.01 | atoponce | there are a lot |
| 06:07.14 | atoponce | the incith: scripts are good. i like those |
| 06:07.23 | atoponce | other than that, i think it's just hit and miss with what you're looking for |
| 06:09.58 | Zelut | which uptime script do you use? |
| 06:10.57 | atoponce | lemme look |
| 06:12.02 | atoponce | uptime.tcl from ofloo.net |
| 06:19.19 | Zelut | after I've dropped in the .tcl is there anything else I need to do? |
| 06:20.46 | atoponce | you need to reference it in your eggdrop.conf |
| 06:21.12 | atoponce | then, telnet into your dcc session, and .rehash your bot |
| 06:22.52 | Zelut | what is the repeat last search command in vim? |
| 06:25.16 | atoponce | ? |
| 06:25.20 | Zelut | ...and I just killed the bot lol |
| 06:25.30 | atoponce | :/<search_term> |
| 06:25.36 | atoponce | then 'n'n |
| 06:25.42 | atoponce | 'n' |
| 06:25.42 | Zelut | n.. that's it |
| 06:25.43 | atoponce | i meant |
| 06:34.05 | Zelut | atoponce: any idea why I'm getting this? couldn't read file "/usr/share/eggdrop/scripts/bash.org-1.4.7.tcl": permission denied |
| 06:34.26 | Zelut | permissions look the same as the other scripts but it hits errors when trying to load my additions |
| 06:34.36 | atoponce | hmmm |
| 06:34.55 | atoponce | and you're running as sudo? |
| 06:35.32 | Zelut | ...actually permissions look a touch different |
| 06:35.39 | Zelut | but I wasn't sudo, no |
| 06:36.00 | Zelut | ERROR: eggdrop will not run as root! |
| 06:36.11 | atoponce | ahh |
| 06:36.29 | Zelut | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 52K 2004-11-20 20:51 sentinel.tcl |
| 06:36.29 | Zelut | -rw------- 1 root root 7.0K 2007-03-05 23:18 uptime1.08.tcl |
| 06:36.38 | atoponce | i didn't install eggdrop from apt. i just downloaded a tar.gz, and ran locally. :) |
| 06:36.53 | Zelut | those are the permission diffs. almost didn't notice |
| 06:37.02 | atoponce | yeah. :) |
| 06:37.13 | atoponce | well, i'm off to bed. i'm getting sleepy |
| 06:37.19 | Zelut | me too |
| 06:38.51 | Zelut | he's alive! |
| 07:59.43 | sontek | Zelut: you ever used :set hlsearch in vim? |
| 08:00.00 | sontek | you don't have to repeat search with it =) |
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| 13:49.09 | herlo | http://awkwardthingsisaytogirls.com/2007/02/why-geeks-make-good-lovers/ |
| 13:56.47 | herlo | Zelut: you seen this before http://cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html |
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| 15:30.02 | Zelut | morning |
| 15:30.18 | maquis | something like that |
| 15:32.50 | atoponce | grumble grumble |
| 15:33.33 | atoponce | 2½ here |
| 15:33.46 | atoponce | :) |
| 15:33.50 | maquis | and... it's an hour later for you... |
| 15:33.59 | maquis | go figure |
| 15:34.05 | atoponce | ouch |
| 15:34.14 | atoponce | so, you've been up since 3:30? |
| 15:34.24 | maquis | yup |
| 15:34.24 | atoponce | y |
| 15:34.24 | maquis | i love being on call |
| 15:34.55 | Zelut | herlo: I haven't seen that but it looks promising |
| 15:36.01 | maquis | my mom just emailed me to ask what my email address is!!!!! |
| 15:36.15 | atoponce | lol |
| 15:36.19 | redbeard1 | maquis, classic |
| 15:36.26 | Zelut | nice |
| 15:36.35 | atoponce | reply, and tell her you're looking for it, and will get back to her. :) |
| 15:39.10 | atoponce | then call her, tell her you can't find it, and ask for her phone #, so when you do find it, you can call her. :) |
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| 15:39.21 | maquis | lol |
| 15:39.29 | [phoenyx] | !geek |
| 15:39.31 | UtahBot | You might be a geek if if you know the correct pronunciation of SuSE, Ubuntu, Gnome, GNU, amaroK, SQL, gif, Tex, Linux, and TCL. |
| 15:39.45 | atoponce | jiff!!! |
| 15:42.24 | Zelut | well I know only half of you pronounce ubuntu [oo-boon-too] correctly so we've got no geeks in here ;) |
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| 15:42.46 | atoponce | zoo-zuh, ooo-boon-too, nohm, guh-new, am-uh-rock, see-quel, jif, tex, lih-nuhx, tee-see-ell |
| 15:43.05 | atoponce | s/tee-see-ell/perl/ |
| 15:43.07 | atoponce | :) |
| 15:43.21 | sontek | tee see ell = teeckle |
| 15:43.32 | maquis | tee see ell == tickle |
| 15:43.54 | atoponce | tee see ll == per-uhl |
| 15:44.28 | sontek | I don't pronounce the g in gnu/gnome/etc its unnatural :P |
| 15:44.48 | maquis | i don't in gnome, but i do in gnu |
| 15:45.43 | atoponce | same, just because i follow the same pronounciation of the creature |
| 15:45.50 | maquis | is it really zoozuh, not soosuh? |
| 15:46.01 | maquis | s/tex/tek |
| 15:46.08 | [phoenyx] | isn't tex == tek? |
| 15:46.56 | maquis | :) |
| 15:46.56 | atoponce | it's german, and the 's' is pronounced like a 'z' |
| 15:46.56 | [phoenyx] | beat me too it |
| 15:46.56 | maquis | [phoenyx]: good timing |
| 15:46.57 | maquis | i like how we both saw that at the same time |
| 15:46.57 | atoponce | and anything ending in e gets the 'uh' sound |
| 15:47.00 | atoponce | tek. blah |
| 15:47.03 | atoponce | tex |
| 15:48.52 | maquis | la-tek |
| 15:49.33 | [phoenyx] | I think Linus pronounces it like: leenooks |
| 15:49.46 | atoponce | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.28 | herlo | Zelut: yeah, I thought you might like that Wubi |
| 15:50.39 | herlo | Zelut: did you forget your Wubi? |
| 15:52.10 | maquis | lol |
| 15:52.24 | [phoenyx] | lol |
| 15:53.46 | redbeard1 | TCL-Me-Tux? that's just wrong |
| 15:53.56 | redbeard1 | more wrong than installing python on it |
| 15:54.20 | atoponce | at least with python, the doll would be object-oriented. :) |
| 15:56.31 | atoponce | if beak.open('True'): |
| 15:56.38 | atoponce | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.23 | [phoenyx] | if {$openbeak} {set $fish = 1} |
| 16:01.15 | sontek | if(duck.Beak == Status.Open) { duck.Eat(fish); fish--; } |
| 16:03.07 | atoponce | showoff |
| 16:03.57 | Zelut | I think I'll give Wubi a test run on my office machine at work. |
| 16:04.25 | [phoenyx] | if {$openbeak} {set $fish 1} |
| 16:04.29 | [phoenyx] | that's better |
| 16:04.52 | [phoenyx] | if {$openbeak} {set fish 1} |
| 16:05.00 | [phoenyx] | there, finally correct |
| 16:05.20 | [phoenyx] | all of this Ruby is ruining my TCL skills :) |
| 16:07.50 | sontek | if its rails its ruining more than your TCL skills =) |
| 16:08.50 | sontek | whats a wubi |
| 16:09.08 | [phoenyx] | yup, all of our new projects are in RoR, all of our old projects are TCL |
| 16:09.22 | sontek | I'm sorry =) |
| 16:09.37 | [phoenyx] | sontek: not a fan of RoR? |
| 16:10.26 | sontek | Its a great framework when you want to make small web apps |
| 16:10.53 | sontek | but as soon as you want to do something outside of the framework it starts squealing like a pig |
| 16:11.00 | [phoenyx] | such as? |
| 16:12.59 | sontek | I don't remember what we were having trouble with, we were going to convert some of our web applications to rails and every time we did the response was 'rails doesn't do that, just change it to work this way..' |
| 16:13.19 | sontek | I don't like having a ball and chain on me while I work |
| 16:13.38 | sontek | I understand the convention over configuration, its just not my thing =) |
| 16:14.12 | [phoenyx] | there's a lot of convention, but you can reconfigure most of it |
| 16:16.45 | [phoenyx] | just because rails has a lot of opinions it doesn't mean you can't go against them when you need to |
| 16:18.17 | sontek | Yeah but the reason to use rails is to speed up your development time but in my experience it was only helping for the simple meaningless tasks |
| 16:18.44 | sontek | once we got into an abstract database its scaffolds and class generation really didn't help because we had to write all the SQL ourselves anyways |
| 16:20.26 | sontek | but its not like we sat down and tried to write something from scratch, we were converting an app to rails |
| 16:22.56 | [phoenyx] | okay, I can see that |
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| 17:05.31 | Hunding | have any of you ever installed and uploaded files to a TFTP server? |
| 17:07.46 | Hunding | Ruby On Rails is absolutely fantastic...JMHO :) |
| 17:22.18 | stuporglue | Hunding: TFTP, or FTP? |
| 17:27.08 | Hunding | TFTP...want to boot from LAN |
| 17:29.08 | atoponce | Hunding: i havent |
| 17:30.59 | stuporglue | Hunding: I tried to set it up once, and maybe the TFTP worked, but I was never able to net boot my machine. |
| 17:32.23 | Hunding | I have the TFTP setup correctly...I think. At least I am able to get a ping from it...I just don't know how to enable the DHCP server to see it... |
| 17:32.47 | Zelut | Hunding: ping herlo for that.. he's setup network installers & boots for ubuntu & fedora |
| 17:33.03 | Hunding | kewl...OK thanks Zelut |
| 17:37.01 | Hunding | ok...I found the issue. There is a procedure to upload the files and not just a simple matter of "moving them" onto the server. I got it working now...thanks for the help |
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| 18:27.52 | Zelut | "Chuck Norris’ roundhouse kick is so powerful, it can be seen from outer space by the naked eye." |
| 18:39.49 | herlo | Zelut: nice |
| 18:41.34 | Zelut | ..so far Wubi isn't working. Seems very alpha yet |
| 18:43.10 | Zelut | sounds really cool but I can't get it to install |
| 18:45.58 | Zelut | I think I might be able to get it going but I'm hacking at it pretty good |
| 18:49.01 | Hunding | herlo: can you boot from a WAN with TFTP? |
| 18:49.51 | Zelut | Hunding: did you get edubuntu set up for the kiddies? |
| 18:50.32 | Hunding | I sure did...and the six yr old is in love with it!! |
| 18:50.42 | [phoenyx] | !geek |
| 18:50.43 | UtahBot | You might be a geek if you wake up and realize that your sleep pattern has been following an algorithm. |
| 18:50.56 | Hunding | the four yr old can navigate through it much better than he ever could within windows |
| 18:51.06 | herlo | Hunding: probably, but why would you want to? |
| 18:51.10 | herlo | that's really risky |
| 18:52.01 | Zelut | Hunding: glad to hear it! Who knew linux was easier than XP lol :) |
| 18:52.53 | Hunding | yea...it seems like it might be..but we got the retards from work that will not let me update their systems...so I am going to attempt to wake on lan and install them...only try it through WAN |
| 18:55.54 | Hunding | ya'll wanna hear a funny story...My office just "upgraded" a dozen laptops of upper managment and within 32 hours, they all were hit with a virus...ran around our network and anyone with Vista was effected |
| 18:56.09 | Zelut | surprise suprise |
| 18:57.38 | herlo | good ol' Vista. We were discussing Vista yesterday, and soooo many people are avoiding it like the plague at the companies for which my students work. They said that it gave Linux the upper hand more or less... |
| 18:58.08 | Zelut | Vista has made me a big Mac advocate. If they aren't ready for Ubuntu, Mac is a better option |
| 18:58.36 | Hunding | Zelut: I would not say that "linux" is easier than XP, but ubuntu certainly is |
| 18:58.55 | Hunding | and ubuntu is like no other distro that I have been exposed too |
| 18:59.21 | Zelut | Hunding: I stand corrected |
| 18:59.44 | Zelut | herlo: you going to be in town for our meet this weekend? |
| 18:59.54 | Hunding | Mac is OK...I use a Mac laptop running parallels and inside parallels I am running DSL as a deployment server, and tomcat...seems to work pretty good |
| 19:00.41 | herlo | Zelut: no |
| 19:00.48 | Hunding | herlo: what do you teach? |
| 19:01.47 | Hunding | and who knew that if you setup Ant correctly, you actaully DON'T get spaghetti code :) |
| 19:04.32 | herlo | Hunding: Red Hat Enterprise Linux this week. Teaching an RHCE class |
| 19:04.55 | herlo | Zelut: I would have liked to come, but I only get so many opportunities to see my son... |
| 19:05.04 | Zelut | herlo: understood. |
| 19:06.03 | Hunding | herlo: OK...so you pretty much teach whatever needs to be taught...seems to be a lot of teachers here... |
| 19:06.57 | Hunding | has anyone bought the book "Ubuntu Unleashed - 800 pages of ubuntu goodness"? |
| 19:07.57 | Zelut | I don't think I have that one. I have the official book & the ubuntu hacks book |
| 19:08.08 | Zelut | ...either of which you are welcome to borrow this weekend |
| 19:10.10 | Zelut | Hunding: I don't know if you knew, or if I mentioned, but we do get a LUG discount with O'Reilly if you're shopping. |
| 19:10.54 | Hunding | Zelut: I did not know that...is there a membership number I need? |
| 19:11.03 | Zelut | one sec |
| 19:12.22 | Hunding | Zelut: I usually buy my books and things from ebay, but the last few (5) times I have bought from there it has not been a very good transaction...just a run of bad luck maybe, but I am going to take a break from ebay for a while. |
| 19:13.27 | Zelut | Hunding: Don't forget your members can receive 35% off any of these titles when |
| 19:13.31 | Zelut | they use discount code DSUG on our site. There's also free ground |
| 19:13.33 | Zelut | shipping in the US on orders over $29.95. |
| 19:14.01 | Hunding | fantastic!!!! |
| 19:14.31 | Zelut | I usually send out a list of new releases to the list each month for orders and we can also get a selection for free if we publish reviews. |
| 19:14.36 | Hunding | is there any kick back for the LUG? |
| 19:15.03 | Zelut | only kick back is occasional free books, as long as we write reviews. |
| 19:15.56 | Hunding | would be nice if they provided the selection in a digital format then we could make an on-line lib. for members. |
| 19:16.31 | Zelut | some are available as .pdf |
| 19:17.46 | Zelut | should be about time for another O'Reilly email.. hopefully there is some good new titles this month. |
| 19:35.26 | atoponce | Zelut: i'm not understanding your last post, as simple as it is |
| 19:35.44 | atoponce | i just hover my mouse over the audio file, and i preview-plays the song? |
| 19:36.19 | Zelut | yes. if you've installed those packages. |
| 19:36.34 | atoponce | nothing |
| 19:36.40 | atoponce | do i have to select it? |
| 19:36.52 | Zelut | I don't.. might have to restart gnome. |
| 19:36.59 | atoponce | hmmm |
| 19:37.04 | atoponce | that would make sense |
| 19:37.15 | Zelut | let me know and I'll update the post.. if you can. |
| 19:37.56 | atoponce | ok |
| 19:37.58 | atoponce | brb then |
| 19:38.36 | maquis | *yawn* |
| 19:41.05 | atoponce | no luck |
| 19:41.23 | Zelut | hmm.. |
| 19:41.40 | atoponce | gnome v2.14.3 |
| 19:42.23 | atoponce | ~yawn maquis |
| 19:42.34 | atoponce | ~stretch maquis |
| 19:42.51 | atoponce | bah. dumb jbot |
| 19:45.09 | Zelut | hmm.. not working for me right now either. |
| 19:45.24 | Zelut | I've used it for months though. What might I be missing? |
| 19:48.12 | Zelut | atoponce: Audio Previewing -- Applies to all Ubuntu releases The Ubuntu File Manager Nautilus can preview music files if you hover your mouse pointer over the file. If you would like to add this functionality to your desktop, install the mpg321 and vorbis-tools. Note: If you experience jittery playback of MP3 audio previews, try installing mpg123-esd instead of mpg321. The mpg123-esd package is located in the Multiverse repository. |
| 19:48.52 | Zelut | wonder why it isn't working.. |
| 19:51.39 | atoponce | i only need vorbis-tools, as i'm not using mp3, right? |
| 19:52.04 | Zelut | I've always installed both |
| 19:52.39 | atoponce | i think that's right. mp3 is mpg-3, which makes sense with mpg321 as the package name |
| 19:52.49 | atoponce | but at any rate, it's installed, and still nothing |
| 19:52.56 | atoponce | that's ok |
| 19:53.15 | atoponce | it's slowing it down anyway, so, i'd rather not preview, not that i'm playing with it |
| 19:55.26 | Zelut | are you back on gnome again or xfce? |
| 19:58.17 | atoponce | gnome |
| 19:58.29 | atoponce | xfce on debian etch is still a bit behind ubuntu. |
| 19:58.46 | atoponce | at least with the packages that they are putting in |
| 19:58.56 | atoponce | ubuntu is just much more mature with xfce |
| 19:59.32 | Zelut | I wonder if others are having the same trouble.. |
| 20:00.37 | [phoenyx] | is there anything equivalent to deskbar or katapult in xfce? |
| 20:03.39 | atoponce | what is katapult, or deskbar, for that matter? :) |
| 20:08.35 | [phoenyx] | quicksilver maybe? |
| 20:09.04 | [phoenyx] | quicklauncher/search |
| 20:09.08 | atoponce | quicksilver? |
| 20:09.18 | [phoenyx] | mac equivalent |
| 20:09.18 | atoponce | just searching? |
| 20:09.29 | atoponce | spotlight? |
| 20:09.54 | [phoenyx] | yeah, spotlight does that kind of stuff too, I think |
| 20:10.19 | atoponce | i'm not sure what you're asking, but beagle is a great search util |
| 20:11.02 | [phoenyx] | you set a keyboard shortcut, e.g. <ctrl>+space |
| 20:11.08 | [phoenyx] | anytime you hit that |
| 20:11.26 | [phoenyx] | it pops up, as as you type it searches or whatever |
| 20:11.40 | atoponce | hmm. not sure |
| 20:11.42 | [phoenyx] | hit return, and it launches the app or does the search |
| 20:15.01 | atoponce | ouch. the vim on dapper is only 6.4, thus, no tabs |
| 20:15.04 | atoponce | that sux hardcore |
| 20:17.06 | sontek | :O |
| 20:24.28 | *** part/#ubuntu-utah stuporglue (n=stuporgl@tmpserver-48-243.et.byu.edu) |
| 20:27.52 | sontek | anyone know a windows guy who is decent at networking? =) |
| 20:28.14 | sontek | we are looking to hire someone who is willing to maintain the servers and travel onsite and configure networks when required |
| 20:28.17 | [phoenyx] | how "windows guy" does he have to be? |
| 20:29.21 | sontek | well, they don't have to be a guy if they don't want to be. |
| 20:29.31 | sontek | ;p |
| 20:29.53 | sontek | But by windows guy I mean someone familiar with win2k3 administrator (mssql, active directory, etc) |
| 20:29.53 | Hunding | sontek: watcha looking for? |
| 20:29.54 | Hunding | full time? |
| 20:30.10 | sontek | but we also have a few linux boxes kicking around (a fax server and network monitor server) |
| 20:30.16 | Hunding | running a citrix enviro? Presentation or Metaframe? |
| 20:30.44 | sontek | The network position itself isn't full time (I manage to do it right now and I'm a developer) |
| 20:31.01 | sontek | so we are looking to offset the time left over with helping us in the development cycle |
| 20:31.11 | sontek | either through DBA work or actually getting dirty with the code |
| 20:31.17 | sontek | but yes the salary will be fulltime |
| 20:31.23 | sontek | no citrix ;p |
| 20:39.22 | Zelut | atoponce: three comments so far on readers saying it works so.. you must be lucky I guess |
| 20:52.46 | Hunding | maquis: friday cannot come soon enuff |
| 20:53.25 | maquis | Hunding: it can, and it can't |
| 20:53.31 | maquis | deadline friday... |
| 21:04.07 | atoponce | Zelut: i guess so |
| 21:06.32 | Zelut | atoponce: someone liked it. http://digg.com/linux_unix/How_To_Install_Audio_Preview_For_Nautilus |
| 21:09.06 | atoponce | Zelut: i bet people are just waiting for a post from you, so they can post it to digg |
| 21:09.21 | Zelut | sometimes it feels that way. |
| 21:19.38 | maquis | ~time gmt |
| 21:19.49 | maquis | jbot: please? |
| 21:19.50 | jbot | Do I look like an information bitch, maquis? |
| 21:20.00 | maquis | ~language jbot |
| 21:20.02 | jbot | ACTION grabs jbot by the ear and washes jbot's mouth out with soap |
| 21:24.30 | Zelut | lol |
| 21:24.38 | Zelut | that's hilarious |
| 21:26.56 | maquis | gah |
| 21:27.00 | maquis | what's the TZ string for japan? |
| 21:28.10 | maquis | nm, i can just use TZ=Japan |
| 21:40.30 | Zelut | hmm.. still can't get Wubi to work. |
| 21:43.37 | Zelut | "I would love to change the world, but they won't give me the source code" |
| 21:44.14 | Hunding | what language do you think that is written in? |
| 21:44.45 | Zelut | if you ask anyone in #utah I bet you'll get perl |
| 21:45.40 | Hunding | over rated. There are only three languages that you really NEED to know... |
| 21:46.07 | [phoenyx] | http://xkcd.com/c224.html |
| 21:46.53 | [phoenyx] | Hunding: and those would be? |
| 21:47.44 | Hunding | [phoenyx]: that is too funny!!! |
| 21:48.30 | Zelut | nice |
| 21:48.37 | Hunding | C (all the variations such as ++, #, etc are all similar enough to get by with), XML, and java. |
| 21:49.43 | Hunding | and XML being the first that I would recommend anyone learn! |
| 21:50.01 | Hunding | and Ruby on Rails is just plain good fun! :) |
| 21:56.49 | Hunding | although having said that PERL does have a place, and does make some tasks much more manageable, such as processing very large text files. |
| 22:01.30 | atoponce | Hunding: being a python programmer, and general scripter, i would disagree with your 3 language choices |
| 22:02.35 | atoponce | 1) C++ -- no C, as it lacks OO design, and is only around for legacy sake. C# only if you are willing to dive into mono, otherwise, don't bother |
| 22:03.51 | atoponce | 2) Python (with django/zope or ROR) as it's just the single most advanced scripting language around, it's flexible, powerful and easy |
| 22:04.24 | atoponce | 3) sh/bash/csh as *any* scripting language is an absolute MUST if you are going to work for a linux shop |
| 22:06.19 | [phoenyx] | Interesting |
| 22:07.53 | atoponce | thus, you have your choices of a solid language to build binary apps, a great language for scripting and web apps, and a good set of tools to automate your crap in the terminal |
| 22:08.47 | atoponce | ~bash Zelut |
| 22:08.49 | jbot | ACTION beats Zelut with ksh |
| 22:09.02 | maquis | Hunding: did you just say you'd recommend xml? |
| 22:09.05 | maquis | or were you just joking |
| 22:09.12 | Hunding | atoponce: C# has made me a lot of money so I would find it very hard to sit here and bash it...I am not sure what you mean by mono |
| 22:09.23 | Hunding | I live and breathe XML |
| 22:09.25 | atoponce | oh, i'm not here bashing it |
| 22:09.28 | maquis | Hunding: i'm sorry |
| 22:09.38 | maquis | as for mono, it's an open-source c# |
| 22:09.43 | atoponce | mono is the .NET environment in linux |
| 22:09.52 | Zelut | comparing languages with nerds is equivalent to getting into a land war in asia. |
| 22:09.55 | atoponce | monoproject.org, iirc |
| 22:10.12 | Hunding | ahhh...OK...everything I have done is .NET |
| 22:10.23 | atoponce | and xml is solid, but overused and misunderstood |
| 22:10.37 | atoponce | for example, config files should *not* be in xml |
| 22:10.46 | atoponce | just an opinion on that, though |
| 22:10.51 | Hunding | why is that? |
| 22:11.39 | atoponce | it's a pain. too hard to parse, wasted space, and unneccesary overhead |
| 22:11.54 | Hunding | just curious as I have about oh...70 or so config files written in XML |
| 22:12.05 | atoponce | :) |
| 22:13.53 | atoponce | there are just better choices to store data in that are easier to read, take up less space and are faster to parse |
| 22:14.11 | [phoenyx] | I'd probably choose three languages that exposed you to the widest set of paradigms, 'cause then you'd be able to pick up any other language or project. 1) C - because it's influenced so many other languages 2) Ruby - it has borrowed from so many other languages 3) Lisp perhaps? (although I don't know it) |
| 22:14.19 | [phoenyx] | atoponce: what format do you like? |
| 22:14.20 | Hunding | I would agree with the last point atoponce |
| 22:14.48 | atoponce | [phoenyx]: for config files? just depends on the application and deployment |
| 22:15.13 | maquis | key: value |
| 22:15.18 | maquis | or key = value |
| 22:15.18 | atoponce | generally plain text dictionaries |
| 22:15.22 | atoponce | maquis: exactly |
| 22:15.32 | [phoenyx] | I've been leaning toward yaml a lot more lately |
| 22:17.18 | atoponce | if using xml, Simple Outline XML would be my choice |
| 22:17.39 | atoponce | (SOX) |
| 22:18.14 | atoponce | even then, dictionaries just seem to make better sense, i think |
| 22:18.19 | [phoenyx] | hmm. kinda reminds me of haml |
| 22:20.38 | atoponce | yeah. same sort of concept |
| 22:28.38 | *** join/#ubuntu-utah tristanbob (n=tristan@oalug/member/tristanbob) |
| 22:29.37 | [phoenyx] | Hunding: If you're talking odds of finding a job (on, say, monster.com) I'd agree with you |
| 22:51.30 | Hunding | [phoenyx]: Well the three have done well by me. I may not be the best programmer out there, but I get the job done and thus far (knock on wood) my invoice always get paid in full :) |
| 22:52.50 | [phoenyx] | ~reboot maquis |
| 22:52.52 | jbot | ACTION pushes maquis's reset button |
| 22:57.05 | [phoenyx] | nothing |
| 22:57.15 | [phoenyx] | possibly hardware failure |
| 22:58.21 | atoponce | Hunding: ultimately, the job (and paycheck) determines your language. :) |
| 22:59.27 | Hunding | atoponce: you know that is true. |
| 22:59.34 | atoponce | yup |
| 23:00.32 | Hunding | atoponce: plus now I just accidentally hit the tab key and your name popped up...so that is how you people ALWAYS get the spelling right... |
| 23:00.53 | atoponce | :) |
| 23:00.54 | Hunding | niiiice |
| 23:01.28 | maquis | Hunding: unfortunately, it only works for nicks |
| 23:01.41 | maquis | i'm constantly trying to tab-complete other word |
| 23:02.12 | Tianon | I think there's a script or two to make it complete every word... |
| 23:02.36 | Tianon | OpenOffice has decent word completion... :) |
| 23:02.45 | Hunding | kinda like T9 texting on my cell phone...that would be sweet |
| 23:02.53 | Tianon | :) |
| 23:03.01 | maquis | i'm just used to vim |
| 23:03.19 | Hunding | oh don't be a wimp...us vi |
| 23:03.30 | Hunding | forget about arrow keys..who needs 'em? |
| 23:03.40 | Hunding | mouse...what the heck is that?? |
| 23:03.56 | Hunding | we got our IJKM.. |
| 23:04.13 | maquis | ijkm? |
| 23:04.28 | Hunding | whatever it is in vi...been many years sinced I used it |
| 23:04.47 | Hunding | actaully...I would have to say ohhh....NEVER...but I read about it once |
| 23:05.49 | Hunding | what do you use to move around inside vi? |
| 23:06.42 | atoponce | maquis: ahh, but you can use the irssi client, and create your own tab completes. :) |
| 23:07.04 | maquis | Hunding: hjkl |
| 23:07.17 | maquis | just like nethack |
| 23:07.25 | maquis | except without going diagonal |
| 23:10.57 | Hunding | don't know nethack...jeez you guys make me feel so OLD... |
| 23:12.16 | Tianon | *knowing* nethack and/or vi should make you feel old... |
| 23:12.25 | Tianon | not the other way around |
| 23:19.03 | [phoenyx] | knowing something that others don't == feeling smug and superior |
| 23:20.12 | [phoenyx] | e.g. short-bus simba |
| 23:27.53 | maquis | nethack and vi are old.. but lots of fun :) |
| 23:28.09 | maquis | it's better than all the new-fangled graphical games and such |
| 23:28.17 | maquis | although, the 3d nethack is pretty cool |
| 23:53.17 | atoponce | man, it's been years since i've played that game |