00:00.10 | atoponce | because it's 1337 |
00:00.10 | atoponce | ツ |
00:00.51 | atoponce | fine. leave. |
00:01.45 | Hunding | I still love the fact that I can install and remove software and not have to reboot... |
00:02.46 | atoponce | you have to reboot to add/remove software?? what a silly idea. who thought of that? |
00:02.46 | Hunding | <--old school...pre-DOS even :) |
00:02.49 | atoponce | :) |
00:02.55 | maquis | :) |
00:03.14 | sontek | I dare not reboot after installing something new ;p |
00:03.16 | maquis | <-- used macs before linux |
00:03.34 | sontek | I wait atleast a few days to see if an update comes out |
00:03.49 | sontek | I've had to many X installs broken by updates :P |
00:13.04 | atoponce | !g define:relish |
00:13.06 | UtahBot | gusto: vigorous and enthusiastic enjoyment @ http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=relish&usg=__EArbQVBLxZvCOAjf-7jOhT5sThU= ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=all&q=define:relish ) |
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01:23.04 | Zelut | atoponce: looks like my bot doesn't connect at startup. did you have to create a startup script? |
02:13.56 | atoponce | Zelut: no. i just lanch it manually |
02:17.54 | Zelut | ok |
02:27.11 | herlo | UTOSC planning meeting - 5 minutes #utos |
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04:02.16 | jett_ | hi |
04:02.39 | jett_ | hey yall |
04:03.27 | Zelut | hi |
04:03.41 | jett_ | where is everyone |
04:03.49 | jett_ | im actualy in washington right now |
04:03.58 | jett_ | im going to be moving to utah |
04:04.02 | Zelut | i see that |
04:04.22 | jett_ | im moving to west jordan |
04:04.26 | jett_ | i mean south jordan |
04:04.37 | jett_ | to go to neumont university |
04:04.41 | Zelut | cool. |
04:04.44 | jett_ | do you know the school? |
04:05.07 | jett_ | i was wondering if there is a lug in that area? |
04:05.30 | jett_ | where do you live zelut? |
04:07.08 | Zelut | orem. just a bit south of where you'll be |
04:09.00 | jett_ | is there a LUG around there? |
04:09.44 | Zelut | there are TONS of lugs around here :) |
04:09.49 | Zelut | you're coming down at a great time |
04:10.15 | Zelut | we've got a statewide ubuntu lug (this) and a utah open source conference planned for later this year |
04:11.10 | Zelut | utah is very tech freindly so you'll have plenty to do |
04:12.13 | herlo | jett_: I've been to neumont univ, very nice campus, didn't take classes though, just a tour |
04:17.07 | jett_ | oh sorry i just got back |
04:17.09 | jett_ | tell me more |
04:17.35 | jett_ | i would love to be apart of the lug and ubuntu confrenece |
04:17.44 | Zelut | are you an ubuntu user? |
04:17.46 | jett_ | infact i would love to join the ubuntu team |
04:17.49 | jett_ | yes |
04:17.50 | jett_ | i am |
04:18.01 | jett_ | i dont use windows anymore |
04:18.05 | Zelut | sweet :) |
04:18.23 | jett_ | infact ill be coming to utah in 2 weeks |
04:18.33 | Zelut | check out http://ubuntu-utah.org, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtahTeam & https://launchpad.net/~utahteam |
04:18.34 | jett_ | there is a intro thing at my school |
04:18.39 | jett_ | geek weekend |
04:19.31 | jett_ | are you on the team zelut? |
04:19.43 | Zelut | I am.. I founded it actually. |
04:19.55 | Zelut | I'm also marketing man for the open source conference this year |
04:20.11 | jett_ | oh this is so cool |
04:20.23 | jett_ | last year i went to oscon in oregon |
04:20.27 | jett_ | it was pretty cool |
04:20.51 | jett_ | zelut how is the weather man? |
04:22.39 | Zelut | not bad today.. ~60 |
04:25.06 | jett_ | it seems very similar to my side of washington minus the rain |
04:25.17 | jett_ | so what do you do? |
04:25.21 | jett_ | are you a programmer? |
04:26.04 | Zelut | jett_: I'm horrible with progamming.. I do all of this: |
04:26.45 | Zelut | I write the http://ubuntu-tutorials.com blog. I run this team, helped start the us-teams project for launching teams in each state. I do marketing for the utah open source conference.. and I work full time |
04:26.51 | jett_ | is there anything going on the third saturday of the month? cause thats the only time im here then i come back to washington till july 7 |
04:27.11 | jett_ | wat do you do full time? |
04:27.41 | Zelut | I'm an internet business consultant. go figure :) |
04:27.52 | Zelut | we have our meets the second saturdays and fourth over irc. |
04:27.53 | jett_ | hmm, sounds cool |
04:28.23 | Zelut | glad to see you're coming down this way. go ahead and get on our mailing list and LP if you like |
04:28.46 | jett_ | sure |
04:29.09 | jett_ | how far away is salt lake city from south jordan? |
04:29.21 | Zelut | you might want to chat with maquis. she lives up near seattle now I believe. |
04:29.23 | jett_ | dont know how ill do transportation, maybe if theres a bus route |
04:29.31 | Zelut | ...maybe twenty min. |
04:29.44 | Zelut | you could do trax.. public transportation. |
04:29.49 | jett_ | hey cool yeah i love 1 hour south of seattle |
04:29.54 | jett_ | olympia |
04:30.04 | jett_ | oh yeah isnt that a train ? |
04:30.09 | Zelut | yeah |
04:30.38 | jett_ | how many active members do you have? |
04:31.21 | Zelut | 50+ on the mailing list. near ~20 at the meets, about that many at any time in here daily too |
04:31.56 | jett_ | very cool, finaly an active community |
04:32.15 | jett_ | im very happy to get involved with a commited team |
04:32.50 | Zelut | we were actually one of the first three teams in the country and one of the most active. |
04:32.55 | Zelut | you've come to the right place. |
04:37.19 | jett_ | sweet, ok im signed up on the mailing list and launch pad |
04:38.40 | Zelut | great. I'll approve it when I get the notice. |
04:38.44 | Zelut | glad to have you on board |
04:38.48 | maquis | atoponce: why would you switch caps and bspc? |
04:39.11 | atoponce | maquis: because i never use caps, but use backspace all the time |
04:39.14 | maquis | atoponce: and... do you know how to make them both the same thing? |
04:39.22 | maquis | ie, can you make both of them backspace? |
04:39.29 | atoponce | so, it makes sense to put the key i use the most closer |
04:39.31 | atoponce | maquis: yes |
04:39.36 | maquis | atoponce: how? |
04:39.43 | maquis | i've tried, and it always breaks stuff when i do it |
04:39.57 | maquis | i've been trying to make both caps and escape into escape |
04:40.09 | maquis | because i keep messing up all the vim users who use my computer |
04:40.36 | atoponce | well, i guess i've never tried, but it should just be: |
04:40.52 | atoponce | keycode 0x16 = Backspace |
04:40.59 | atoponce | keycode 0x42 = Backspace |
04:41.04 | atoponce | that *should* work |
04:41.11 | maquis | atoponce: that's what i thought too |
04:41.13 | atoponce | i guess i would just need to test it |
04:41.21 | atoponce | and it breaks X? |
04:41.22 | maquis | but i've had problems making that work |
04:41.24 | maquis | not X |
04:41.30 | maquis | but it breaks the keymap |
04:41.38 | atoponce | how do you fix it? |
04:41.45 | maquis | so, then sometimes one is caps, and the other's escape, and vice versa |
04:41.52 | herlo | use xmodmap |
04:41.59 | maquis | i fix it by changing back my .xmodmap and sourcing it again |
04:42.04 | jett_ | hey theres no lugs around the west/south jordan area |
04:42.11 | jett_ | ill have to make one |
04:42.16 | maquis | jett_: my guess is that'd be sllug |
04:42.25 | Zelut | jett_: the salt lake lug is probably closest |
04:42.27 | atoponce | maquis: so, you're keyboard still is functional? |
04:42.51 | jett_ | hey maquis you live in seattle? |
04:42.53 | atoponce | i guess, looking at it, it could be: |
04:43.04 | atoponce | keycode 0x16 = Caps_lock |
04:43.13 | maquis | atoponce: sure... it's just that the caps and escape are both screwy after that |
04:43.14 | atoponce | keycode 0x16 = Backspace |
04:43.27 | maquis | jett_: approximately... y? |
04:43.32 | atoponce | maquis: have you tried that? |
04:43.43 | jett_ | i live 1 hour south of you |
04:43.50 | jett_ | im moving to utah |
04:43.58 | maquis | atoponce: i've tried similar |
04:44.27 | maquis | atoponce: here's my .xmodmap: |
04:44.32 | maquis | remove Lock = Caps_Lock |
04:44.32 | maquis | keycode 9 = Caps_Lock |
04:44.32 | maquis | keycode 66 = Escape |
04:44.33 | maquis | add Lock = Caps_Lock |
04:45.15 | maquis | i tried using remove Lock, and then 9=escape, 66=escape... |
04:45.21 | maquis | and i also tried it with adding the lock at the end |
04:45.22 | maquis | neither worked |
04:45.57 | atoponce | hmmm |
04:53.44 | Zelut | any suggestions for a bot name? |
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05:24.52 | maquis | Zelut: hmmm |
05:25.12 | maquis | Zelut: male, female or neither |
05:25.13 | maquis | ? |
05:26.03 | Zelut | undecided |
05:26.09 | Zelut | asexual |
05:28.09 | maquis | hmmm |
05:28.19 | maquis | zonk |
05:28.26 | maquis | boing |
05:28.27 | maquis | meep |
05:28.38 | maquis | (i'm partial to meep, actually) |
05:29.19 | Zelut | hard to find something not-taken on irc |
05:29.39 | meep | not really :) |
05:29.54 | nolokai | this one's not taken either |
05:30.05 | nolokai | i've always liked this name... it'd be a good name for a husky |
05:30.06 | Zelut | not owned by someone else? |
05:30.10 | nolokai | nope |
05:30.17 | sontek | changing your name again? |
05:30.23 | Zelut | would you mind if I used it? |
05:30.27 | kerplunk | Zelut: go for it |
05:30.30 | Zelut | cool |
05:31.56 | maquis | at keast u don't think so |
05:31.59 | maquis | it's not telling me that it's taken |
05:32.06 | sontek | Kuyaedz isn't taken =) |
05:32.10 | maquis | but it did complain that i changed my nick too many times |
05:33.40 | Zelut | hmm |
05:33.56 | Zelut | says the nick is alread in use..? |
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05:35.15 | Zelut | cripes. changing the bot name screws up all my config |
05:37.57 | dgoodwin1976 | Just wanted to ask a quick question. How many people show up to the meeting that are held once a month? |
05:38.26 | Zelut | I'd say I'm planning on about 20 this week |
05:39.37 | dgoodwin1976 | Is it more for power users or for beginners or both? |
05:40.00 | Zelut | we try to hit both. |
05:40.09 | Zelut | 2-3 is for beginners and general support |
05:40.19 | Zelut | 3-5 (this month) is a presentation on gaming |
05:40.36 | Zelut | 5-6, for those that can stay, is team goals and discussion. |
05:41.03 | dgoodwin1976 | How do you join a team? |
05:41.04 | Zelut | if that's a long day for you the 3-5 would be the suggested time |
05:41.27 | Zelut | if you'd like to join in with us check out http://ubuntu-utah.org |
05:41.57 | Zelut | link to our mailing list there, the team news site and you also might want to check out http://launchpad.net/~utahteam |
05:42.49 | dgoodwin1976 | I am looking forward to Sat. I receive the mailing list messages already, thanks :) |
05:43.05 | Zelut | great. |
05:43.15 | Zelut | would you say you're a beginner or power user? |
05:43.20 | dgoodwin1976 | Do they have wifi? |
05:43.27 | dgoodwin1976 | Intermediate |
05:43.43 | Zelut | they have wifi, yes |
05:44.24 | dgoodwin1976 | great, just loaded Ubuntu on my laptop beside Vista |
05:47.14 | dgoodwin1976 | Thanks, look forward to meeting you guys. |
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06:44.43 | Zelut | hmm |
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07:06.30 | sontek | anyone awake and have ideas why an installation of ubuntu-minimal would lock up on setting up ubuntu-minimal (1.30) ... |
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16:21.41 | atoponce | http://digg.com/business_finance/An_Open_Letter_To_Centon_Electronics |
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17:05.00 | [phoenyx] | !geek |
17:05.00 | UtahBot | You might be a geek if you've ever written a useless program just for the "fun" of it. |
17:05.12 | redbeard1 | define "useless" |
17:06.15 | redbeard1 | atoponce: dugg. |
17:16.14 | sontek_ | theres no such thing as a useless program! |
17:19.27 | [phoenyx] | if the program is fun, isn't its *use* to entertain you? |
17:21.17 | atoponce | redbeard1: thx |
17:22.47 | Zelut | what is the command to find your current path / location? |
17:23.13 | atoponce | pwd |
17:23.25 | atoponce | 'present workting directory' |
17:25.21 | sontek_ | I always thought p was print, everyone has to be so fancy |
17:25.22 | atoponce | could be that |
17:28.19 | atoponce | going through 2200 comments in a db is no fun... :) |
17:30.51 | atoponce | hmmm |
17:31.10 | atoponce | thinking out loud, i bet i could make this much more streamlined |
17:32.14 | atoponce | i could write a script that executes the sql i need on a daily basis, and email the results to me, or spit them out in a text file |
17:32.23 | atoponce | then, i wouldn't have to wade through so many |
17:40.32 | Zelut | why are you wading thru 2200 comments in the first place? |
17:40.51 | atoponce | i am getting some good comments caught as spam |
17:41.04 | atoponce | i've loosened up the filters, and it's still happening |
17:41.28 | atoponce | thing that's funny, is i have caught over 18K messages |
17:42.52 | Zelut | i've left my spam filters at default settings and I don't have to filter anything. |
17:42.52 | atoponce | the db only keeps 10 days worth |
17:43.11 | maquis | pwd is useful if you're cd'd into a symbolic link and somebody (or something) changes the link, you can use cd `pwd` |
17:43.16 | Zelut | I have it email me upon comments and spam karma even tells me if its pending approval so I can do it daily as they come in. |
17:43.22 | maquis | it'll take you to where the link is *now* pointing |
17:43.43 | Zelut | maquis: yeah, I was just in a fedora box & the shell didn't show the path so I had to remember the command.. |
17:43.50 | maquis | Zelut: ah |
17:44.06 | maquis | i usually have my prompt show the name of the current directory, but none of the rest of the path |
17:44.18 | maquis | otherwise it shows too much and it's annoying |
17:46.25 | Zelut | yeah but this didn't show anything more than user@domain |
17:46.41 | maquis | Zelut: change it :) |
17:46.56 | Zelut | ...I'm not sure I've ever done that lol |
17:47.03 | maquis | lol |
17:47.09 | maquis | i always set my prompt |
17:48.18 | maquis | i don't remember everything for bash prompts (although it's an easy google search away), but i have my own prompt that i keep around for zsh |
17:48.32 | atoponce | Zelut: http://www.pthree.org/2006/06/11/bash-scripting-and-prompts/ |
17:49.25 | atoponce | mainly, just concern yourself with the last 1/2 of the post about setting the prompt through the PS1 variable |
17:50.18 | atoponce | http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-tip-prompt/ |
17:50.20 | atoponce | works too |
17:51.10 | atoponce | /u@/h:/w$ is usually what i am using |
17:51.19 | atoponce | i don't need anymore info than that |
17:51.34 | atoponce | i guess really, /w is all the info i *really* need |
17:52.09 | sontek_ | <PROTECTED> |
17:52.14 | Zelut | I am used to the ubuntu default. when I used bsd for a while that really threw me off. |
17:52.32 | Zelut | color highlights really help me, which wasn't default on FreeBSD when I tried. |
17:56.58 | [phoenyx] | atoponce: I just dugg your anti-centon letter |
18:06.10 | atoponce | [phoenyx]: sweet. thx |
18:06.20 | atoponce | how many is it up to now? |
18:30.28 | [phoenyx] | looks like it is at 11 |
18:31.49 | [phoenyx] | http://digg.com/business_finance/An_Open_Letter_To_Centon_Electronics/ |
18:32.00 | [phoenyx] | (if anyone else here wants to give it a digg) |
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20:23.39 | Zelut | so I'm tempted to write another series "my week with thunderbird".. I'm not loving it |
20:24.11 | sontek_ | Thats because its not evolution =) |
20:24.15 | sontek_ | Evolution > * |
20:24.20 | sontek_ | well.. besides mutt |
20:24.32 | sontek_ | mutt owns everything |
20:24.48 | Zelut | I am beginning to think that.. although I haven't passed the mutt learning curve yet |
20:27.45 | atoponce | thunderbird ftw |
20:28.31 | Zelut | I'm not loving it but I think I can make some decent blog content out of it :) |
20:28.44 | Zelut | sontek_: any tips on getting in too deep with mutt? |
20:32.07 | sontek_ | Its kind of like vi, everytime you wish it had a feature, its probably there :p its hard to learn all of it though |
20:32.11 | sontek_ | I could send you my muttrc |
20:32.15 | sontek_ | to get you started |
20:32.50 | sontek_ | or wait.. I think Tom has his commented, that might help you |
20:33.01 | sontek_ | http://linuxbrit.co.uk/mutt/ |
20:33.08 | sontek_ | His config is pretty nice |
20:33.19 | Zelut | I think I tried it but, as with vim, the learning curve is pretty intense. |
20:33.34 | Zelut | eventually I'll end up as a CLI only person like maquis |
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20:36.40 | sontek_ | its easy to get the initial keystrokes down and be able to move around |
20:38.14 | Zelut | so do I mainly just want to start with his .muttrc? |
20:38.40 | sontek_ | his is nice to see the power of mutt |
20:38.54 | sontek_ | but after you get used to his I'd strip it out and start from scratch |
20:39.02 | sontek_ | Its hard knowing what you want from mutt |
20:39.12 | sontek_ | but after using his you'll know what you like and don't |
20:39.41 | sontek_ | I think thats why its hard to learn |
20:39.47 | sontek_ | You don't know exactly what you want from it |
20:45.04 | Zelut | I'm going to have to look over that .muttrc and make some sense of it. as of yet I'm over my head |
20:46.01 | sontek_ | Yeah, his comments are pretty good and the man page is very detailed |
20:46.33 | Zelut | suggestions on this? |
20:46.34 | Zelut | Error in /home/christer/.muttrc, line 10: /home/christer/.mutt.aliases: No such file or directory |
20:46.38 | Zelut | cd: 1: can't cd to /home/christer/mail/lists |
20:46.40 | Zelut | cd: 1: can't cd to /home/christer/mail/lists |
20:46.42 | Zelut | source: errors in /home/christer/.muttrc |
20:50.27 | sontek_ | in his config he has a directory ~/mail/lists for his mailing lists to be redirected to |
20:50.58 | sontek_ | you just have to define where you want your mail stored |
20:51.26 | sontek_ | if you look for the 'set folder=...' command in the config that'll define where all mail will go |
20:51.42 | Zelut | looks like I have a /Mail & /mail now.. |
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20:57.06 | Zelut | sontek_: just tried a test email to you.. |
21:06.44 | sontek_ | I didn't get anything =) |
21:09.03 | sontek_ | are you just trying pop3? |
21:09.47 | Zelut | i have no idea what i'm trying lol |
21:10.35 | Zelut | I think I've got the mailbox paths fixed is about as far as I've gone |
21:21.34 | Zelut | sontek_: looks like he's using procmail which I don't have setup |
21:22.04 | sontek_ | yeah he uses procmail to sort his mail |
21:23.27 | Zelut | so how would I update it to use postfix or..? |
21:25.58 | sontek_ | postfix and procmail work together, postfix is the for sending mail |
21:26.58 | sontek_ | and then procmail will do the local stuff |
21:29.33 | Zelut | tried sending another message but I don't think this is connected to any mail server at all |
21:29.42 | Zelut | ...and I'm not sure where that config goes to set that up |
21:32.04 | sontek_ | mutt will use whatever mta is installed |
21:36.30 | Zelut | sontek_: I take it you haven't seen anything from me then.. |
21:39.48 | sontek_ | not yet |
21:40.45 | Zelut | looks like my postfix is having trouble with my relayhost setting. |
21:54.12 | Zelut | <PROTECTED> |
21:56.36 | Zelut | not sure what I'm missing for smtp auth in relayhost now.. it was working before. |
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22:47.21 | Zelut | erg. when I get this figured out I'm blogging it so I never forget |
22:50.54 | tristanbob | comcast uses source IP based authentication |
22:51.03 | tristanbob | meaning I didn't have to setup anything |
22:51.57 | tristanbob | Zelut: I noticed you are only providing a snippett in RSS |
22:52.05 | tristanbob | what do people think of that? good or bad? |
22:52.29 | tristanbob | I thought I read somewhere that it was spam, but it would also be a good idea if you have a long post (like mine) |
22:52.51 | Zelut | tristanbob: I'm trying it out this week to see what the reception is.. |
22:53.51 | tristanbob | let me know |
22:54.05 | tristanbob | cause I might want to do it |