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00:00.10atoponcebecause it's 1337
00:00.10atoponce
00:00.51atoponcefine. leave.
00:01.45HundingI still love the fact that I can install and remove software and not have to reboot...
00:02.46atoponceyou have to reboot to add/remove software??  what a silly idea. who thought of that?
00:02.46Hunding<--old school...pre-DOS even :)
00:02.49atoponce:)
00:02.55maquis:)
00:03.14sontekI dare not reboot after installing something new ;p
00:03.16maquis<-- used macs before linux
00:03.34sontekI wait atleast a few days to see if an update comes out
00:03.49sontekI've had to many X installs broken by updates :P
00:13.04atoponce!g define:relish
00:13.06UtahBotgusto: vigorous and enthusiastic enjoyment @ http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=relish&usg=__EArbQVBLxZvCOAjf-7jOhT5sThU= ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=all&q=define:relish )
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01:23.04Zelutatoponce: looks like my bot doesn't connect at startup.  did you have to create a startup script?
02:13.56atoponceZelut: no. i just lanch it manually
02:17.54Zelutok
02:27.11herloUTOSC planning meeting - 5 minutes #utos
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04:02.16jett_hi
04:02.39jett_hey yall
04:03.27Zeluthi
04:03.41jett_where is everyone
04:03.49jett_im actualy in washington right now
04:03.58jett_im going to be moving to utah
04:04.02Zeluti see that
04:04.22jett_im moving to west jordan
04:04.26jett_i mean south jordan
04:04.37jett_to go to neumont university
04:04.41Zelutcool.
04:04.44jett_do you know the school?
04:05.07jett_i was wondering if there is a lug in that area?
04:05.30jett_where do you live zelut?
04:07.08Zelutorem. just a bit south of where you'll be
04:09.00jett_is there a LUG around there?
04:09.44Zelutthere are TONS of lugs around here :)
04:09.49Zelutyou're coming down at a great time
04:10.15Zelutwe've got a statewide ubuntu lug (this) and a utah open source conference planned for later this year
04:11.10Zelututah is very tech freindly so you'll have plenty to do
04:12.13herlojett_: I've been to neumont univ, very nice campus, didn't take classes though, just a tour
04:17.07jett_oh sorry i just got back
04:17.09jett_tell me more
04:17.35jett_i would love to be apart of the lug and ubuntu confrenece
04:17.44Zelutare you an ubuntu user?
04:17.46jett_infact i would love to join the ubuntu team
04:17.49jett_yes
04:17.50jett_i am
04:18.01jett_i dont use windows anymore
04:18.05Zelutsweet :)
04:18.23jett_infact ill be coming to utah in 2 weeks
04:18.33Zelutcheck out http://ubuntu-utah.org, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtahTeam & https://launchpad.net/~utahteam
04:18.34jett_there is a intro thing at my school
04:18.39jett_geek weekend
04:19.31jett_are you on the team zelut?
04:19.43ZelutI am.. I founded it actually.
04:19.55ZelutI'm also marketing man for the open source conference this year
04:20.11jett_oh this is so cool
04:20.23jett_last year i went to oscon in oregon
04:20.27jett_it was pretty cool
04:20.51jett_zelut how is the weather man?
04:22.39Zelutnot bad today.. ~60
04:25.06jett_it seems very similar to my side of washington minus the rain
04:25.17jett_so what do you do?
04:25.21jett_are you a programmer?
04:26.04Zelutjett_: I'm horrible with progamming.. I do all of this:
04:26.45ZelutI write the http://ubuntu-tutorials.com blog.  I run this team, helped start the us-teams project for launching teams in each state.  I do marketing for the utah open source conference.. and I work full time
04:26.51jett_is there anything going on the third saturday of the month? cause thats the only time im here then i come back to washington till july 7
04:27.11jett_wat do you do full time?
04:27.41ZelutI'm an internet business consultant. go figure :)
04:27.52Zelutwe have our meets the second saturdays and fourth over irc.
04:27.53jett_hmm, sounds cool
04:28.23Zelutglad to see you're coming down this way.  go ahead and get on our mailing list and LP if you like
04:28.46jett_sure
04:29.09jett_how far away is salt lake city from south jordan?
04:29.21Zelutyou might want to chat with maquis.  she lives up near seattle now I believe.
04:29.23jett_dont know how ill do transportation, maybe if theres a bus route
04:29.31Zelut...maybe twenty min.
04:29.44Zelutyou could do trax.. public transportation.
04:29.49jett_hey cool yeah i love 1 hour south of seattle
04:29.54jett_olympia
04:30.04jett_oh yeah isnt that a train ?
04:30.09Zelutyeah
04:30.38jett_how many active members do you have?
04:31.21Zelut50+ on the mailing list.  near ~20 at the meets, about that many at any time in here daily too
04:31.56jett_very cool, finaly an active community
04:32.15jett_im very happy to get involved with a commited team
04:32.50Zelutwe were actually one of the first three teams in the country and one of the most active.
04:32.55Zelutyou've come to the right place.
04:37.19jett_sweet, ok im signed up on the mailing list and launch pad
04:38.40Zelutgreat. I'll approve it when I get the notice.
04:38.44Zelutglad to have you on board
04:38.48maquisatoponce: why would you switch caps and bspc?
04:39.11atoponcemaquis: because i never use caps, but use backspace all the time
04:39.14maquisatoponce: and... do you know how to make them both the same thing?
04:39.22maquisie, can you make both of them backspace?
04:39.29atoponceso, it makes sense to put the key i use the most closer
04:39.31atoponcemaquis: yes
04:39.36maquisatoponce: how?
04:39.43maquisi've tried, and it always breaks stuff when i do it
04:39.57maquisi've been trying to make both caps and escape into escape
04:40.09maquisbecause i keep messing up all the vim users who use my computer
04:40.36atoponcewell, i guess i've never tried, but it should just be:
04:40.52atoponcekeycode 0x16 = Backspace
04:40.59atoponcekeycode 0x42 = Backspace
04:41.04atoponcethat *should* work
04:41.11maquisatoponce: that's what i thought too
04:41.13atoponcei guess i would just need to test it
04:41.21atoponceand it breaks X?
04:41.22maquisbut i've had problems making that work
04:41.24maquisnot X
04:41.30maquisbut it breaks the keymap
04:41.38atoponcehow do you fix it?
04:41.45maquisso, then sometimes one is caps, and the other's escape, and vice versa
04:41.52herlouse xmodmap
04:41.59maquisi fix it by changing back my .xmodmap and sourcing it again
04:42.04jett_hey theres no lugs around the west/south jordan area
04:42.11jett_ill have to make one
04:42.16maquisjett_: my guess is that'd be sllug
04:42.25Zelutjett_: the salt lake lug is probably closest
04:42.27atoponcemaquis: so, you're keyboard still is functional?
04:42.51jett_hey maquis you live in seattle?
04:42.53atoponcei guess, looking at it, it could be:
04:43.04atoponcekeycode 0x16 = Caps_lock
04:43.13maquisatoponce: sure... it's just that the caps and escape are both screwy after that
04:43.14atoponcekeycode 0x16 = Backspace
04:43.27maquisjett_: approximately... y?
04:43.32atoponcemaquis: have you tried that?
04:43.43jett_i live 1 hour south of you
04:43.50jett_im moving to utah
04:43.58maquisatoponce: i've tried similar
04:44.27maquisatoponce: here's my .xmodmap:
04:44.32maquisremove Lock = Caps_Lock
04:44.32maquiskeycode   9 = Caps_Lock
04:44.32maquiskeycode  66 = Escape
04:44.33maquisadd Lock = Caps_Lock
04:45.15maquisi tried using remove Lock, and then 9=escape, 66=escape...
04:45.21maquisand i also tried it with adding the lock at the end
04:45.22maquisneither worked
04:45.57atoponcehmmm
04:53.44Zelutany suggestions for a bot name?
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05:24.52maquisZelut: hmmm
05:25.12maquisZelut: male, female or neither
05:25.13maquis?
05:26.03Zelutundecided
05:26.09Zelutasexual
05:28.09maquishmmm
05:28.19maquiszonk
05:28.26maquisboing
05:28.27maquismeep
05:28.38maquis(i'm partial to meep, actually)
05:29.19Zeluthard to find something not-taken on irc
05:29.39meepnot really :)
05:29.54nolokaithis one's not taken either
05:30.05nolokaii've always liked this name... it'd be a good name for a husky
05:30.06Zelutnot owned by someone else?
05:30.10nolokainope
05:30.17sontekchanging your name again?
05:30.23Zelutwould you mind if I used it?
05:30.27kerplunkZelut: go for it
05:30.30Zelutcool
05:31.56maquisat keast u don't think so
05:31.59maquisit's not telling me that it's taken
05:32.06sontekKuyaedz isn't taken =)
05:32.10maquisbut it did complain that i changed my nick too many times
05:33.40Zeluthmm
05:33.56Zelutsays the nick is alread in use..?
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05:35.15Zelutcripes. changing the bot name screws up all my config
05:37.57dgoodwin1976Just wanted to ask a quick question. How many people show up to the meeting that are held once a month?
05:38.26ZelutI'd say I'm planning on about 20 this week
05:39.37dgoodwin1976Is it more for power users or for beginners or both?
05:40.00Zelutwe try to hit both.
05:40.09Zelut2-3 is for beginners and general support
05:40.19Zelut3-5 (this month) is a presentation on gaming
05:40.36Zelut5-6, for those that can stay, is team goals and discussion.
05:41.03dgoodwin1976How do you join a team?
05:41.04Zelutif that's a long day for you the 3-5 would be the suggested time
05:41.27Zelutif you'd like to join in with us check out http://ubuntu-utah.org
05:41.57Zelutlink to our mailing list there, the team news site and you also might want to check out http://launchpad.net/~utahteam
05:42.49dgoodwin1976I am looking forward to Sat. I receive the mailing list messages already, thanks :)
05:43.05Zelutgreat.
05:43.15Zelutwould you say you're a beginner or power user?
05:43.20dgoodwin1976Do they have wifi?
05:43.27dgoodwin1976Intermediate
05:43.43Zelutthey have wifi, yes
05:44.24dgoodwin1976great, just loaded Ubuntu on my laptop beside Vista
05:47.14dgoodwin1976Thanks, look forward to meeting you guys.
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06:44.43Zeluthmm
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07:06.30sontekanyone awake and have ideas why an installation of ubuntu-minimal would lock up on setting up ubuntu-minimal (1.30) ...
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16:21.41atoponcehttp://digg.com/business_finance/An_Open_Letter_To_Centon_Electronics
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17:05.00[phoenyx]!geek
17:05.00UtahBotYou might be a geek if you've ever written a useless program just for the "fun" of it.
17:05.12redbeard1define "useless"
17:06.15redbeard1atoponce: dugg.
17:16.14sontek_theres no such thing as a useless program!
17:19.27[phoenyx]if the program is fun, isn't its *use* to entertain you?
17:21.17atoponceredbeard1: thx
17:22.47Zelutwhat is the command to find your current path / location?
17:23.13atoponcepwd
17:23.25atoponce'present workting directory'
17:25.21sontek_I always thought p was print, everyone has to be so fancy
17:25.22atoponcecould be that
17:28.19atoponcegoing through 2200 comments in a db is no fun... :)
17:30.51atoponcehmmm
17:31.10atoponcethinking out loud, i bet i could make this much more streamlined
17:32.14atoponcei could write a script that executes the sql i need on a daily basis, and email the results to me, or spit them out in a text file
17:32.23atoponcethen, i wouldn't have to wade through so many
17:40.32Zelutwhy are you wading thru 2200 comments in the first place?
17:40.51atoponcei am getting some good comments caught as spam
17:41.04atoponcei've loosened up the filters, and it's still happening
17:41.28atoponcething that's funny, is i have caught over 18K messages
17:42.52Zeluti've left my spam filters at default settings and I don't have to filter anything.
17:42.52atoponcethe db only keeps 10 days worth
17:43.11maquispwd is useful if you're cd'd into a symbolic link and somebody (or something) changes the link, you can use cd `pwd`
17:43.16ZelutI have it email me upon comments and spam karma even tells me if its pending approval so I can do it daily as they come in.
17:43.22maquisit'll take you to where the link is *now* pointing
17:43.43Zelutmaquis: yeah, I was just in a fedora box & the shell didn't show the path so I had to remember the command..
17:43.50maquisZelut: ah
17:44.06maquisi usually have my prompt show the name of the current directory, but none of the rest of the path
17:44.18maquisotherwise it shows too much and it's annoying
17:46.25Zelutyeah but this didn't show anything more than user@domain
17:46.41maquisZelut: change it :)
17:46.56Zelut...I'm not sure I've ever done that lol
17:47.03maquislol
17:47.09maquisi always set my prompt
17:48.18maquisi don't remember everything for bash prompts (although it's an easy google search away), but i have my own prompt that i keep around for zsh
17:48.32atoponceZelut: http://www.pthree.org/2006/06/11/bash-scripting-and-prompts/
17:49.25atoponcemainly, just concern yourself with the last 1/2 of the post about setting the prompt through the PS1 variable
17:50.18atoponcehttp://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-tip-prompt/
17:50.20atoponceworks too
17:51.10atoponce/u@/h:/w$ is usually what i am using
17:51.19atoponcei don't need anymore info than that
17:51.34atoponcei guess really, /w is all the info i *really* need
17:52.09sontek_<PROTECTED>
17:52.14ZelutI am used to the ubuntu default.  when I used bsd for a while that really threw me off.
17:52.32Zelutcolor highlights really help me, which wasn't default on FreeBSD when I tried.
17:56.58[phoenyx]atoponce: I just dugg your anti-centon letter
18:06.10atoponce[phoenyx]: sweet. thx
18:06.20atoponcehow many is it up to now?
18:30.28[phoenyx]looks like it is at 11
18:31.49[phoenyx]http://digg.com/business_finance/An_Open_Letter_To_Centon_Electronics/
18:32.00[phoenyx](if anyone else here wants to give it a digg)
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20:23.39Zelutso I'm tempted to write another series "my week with thunderbird".. I'm not loving it
20:24.11sontek_Thats because its not evolution =)
20:24.15sontek_Evolution > *
20:24.20sontek_well.. besides mutt
20:24.32sontek_mutt owns everything
20:24.48ZelutI am beginning to think that.. although I haven't passed the mutt learning curve yet
20:27.45atoponcethunderbird ftw
20:28.31ZelutI'm not loving it but I think I can make some decent blog content out of it :)
20:28.44Zelutsontek_: any tips on getting in too deep with mutt?
20:32.07sontek_Its kind of like vi, everytime you wish it had a feature, its probably there :p  its hard to learn all of it though
20:32.11sontek_I could send you my muttrc
20:32.15sontek_to get you started
20:32.50sontek_or wait.. I think Tom has his commented, that might help you
20:33.01sontek_http://linuxbrit.co.uk/mutt/
20:33.08sontek_His config is pretty nice
20:33.19ZelutI think I tried it but, as with vim, the learning curve is pretty intense.
20:33.34Zeluteventually I'll end up as a CLI only person like maquis
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20:36.40sontek_its easy to get the initial keystrokes down and be able to move around
20:38.14Zelutso do I mainly just want to start with his .muttrc?
20:38.40sontek_his is nice to see the power of mutt
20:38.54sontek_but after you get used to his I'd strip it out and start from scratch
20:39.02sontek_Its hard knowing what you want from mutt
20:39.12sontek_but after using his you'll know what you like and don't
20:39.41sontek_I think thats why its hard to learn
20:39.47sontek_You don't know exactly what you want from it
20:45.04ZelutI'm going to have to look over that .muttrc and make some sense of it.  as of yet I'm over my head
20:46.01sontek_Yeah, his comments are pretty good and the man page is very detailed
20:46.33Zelutsuggestions on this?
20:46.34ZelutError in /home/christer/.muttrc, line 10: /home/christer/.mutt.aliases: No such file or directory
20:46.38Zelutcd: 1: can't cd to /home/christer/mail/lists
20:46.40Zelutcd: 1: can't cd to /home/christer/mail/lists
20:46.42Zelutsource: errors in /home/christer/.muttrc
20:50.27sontek_in his config he has a directory ~/mail/lists for his mailing lists to be redirected to
20:50.58sontek_you just have to define where you want your mail stored
20:51.26sontek_if you look for the 'set folder=...' command in the config that'll define where all mail will go
20:51.42Zelutlooks like I have a /Mail & /mail now..
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20:57.06Zelutsontek_: just tried a test email to you..
21:06.44sontek_I didn't get anything =)
21:09.03sontek_are you just trying pop3?
21:09.47Zeluti have no idea what i'm trying lol
21:10.35ZelutI think I've got the mailbox paths fixed is about as far as I've gone
21:21.34Zelutsontek_: looks like he's using procmail which I don't have setup
21:22.04sontek_yeah he uses procmail to sort his mail
21:23.27Zelutso how would I update it to use postfix or..?
21:25.58sontek_postfix and procmail work together, postfix is the for sending mail
21:26.58sontek_and then procmail will do the local stuff
21:29.33Zeluttried sending another message but I don't think this is connected to any mail server at all
21:29.42Zelut...and I'm not sure where that config goes to set that up
21:32.04sontek_mutt will use whatever mta is installed
21:36.30Zelutsontek_: I take it you haven't seen anything from me then..
21:39.48sontek_not yet
21:40.45Zelutlooks like my postfix is having trouble with my relayhost setting.
21:54.12Zelut<PROTECTED>
21:56.36Zelutnot sure what I'm missing for smtp auth in relayhost now.. it was working before.
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22:47.21Zeluterg. when I get this figured out I'm blogging it so I never forget
22:50.54tristanbobcomcast uses source IP based authentication
22:51.03tristanbobmeaning I didn't have to setup anything
22:51.57tristanbobZelut: I noticed you are only providing a snippett in RSS
22:52.05tristanbobwhat do people think of that?  good or bad?
22:52.29tristanbobI thought I read somewhere that it was spam, but it would also be a good idea if you have a long post (like mine)
22:52.51Zeluttristanbob: I'm trying it out this week to see what the reception is..
22:53.51tristanboblet me know
22:54.05tristanbobcause I might want to do it

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