| 00:02.54 | atoponce | nice |
| 00:05.43 | Zelut | I'm tempted to try that out.. |
| 00:10.33 | Zelut | man I never know what to say when writing up my two-week notice with a company |
| 00:12.31 | atoponce | you have to write it up? |
| 00:14.11 | Zelut | I've always given some kind of written notice... |
| 00:14.19 | atoponce | hmm |
| 00:14.38 | atoponce | i just went in to by boss, and said 'you now have my 2 week notice. i'm leaving for another company' |
| 00:14.41 | atoponce | and that was it |
| 00:15.48 | atoponce | of course, i was hoping for a counter offer, like they've given everyone else, but didn't get it |
| 00:15.55 | atoponce | rather, i was escorted out of the building |
| 00:15.58 | atoponce | kinda weird |
| 00:16.02 | Zelut | wow.. right then huh? |
| 00:16.13 | atoponce | about 2 hours later |
| 00:16.19 | atoponce | but yeah, odd |
| 00:16.23 | Zelut | man.. that is harsh |
| 00:16.57 | Zelut | everyone knows those toponce's are office theives though :) |
| 00:17.07 | Zelut | they *had* to escort you out. |
| 00:17.12 | atoponce | well, i know what it is. |
| 00:17.48 | atoponce | 1) they are facing a pretty nasty sexual harassment lawsuit, and with that going on, the ceo was overly worried, and just overreacted |
| 00:18.29 | atoponce | 2) i'm a linux nerd, and just about everone there is a windows user, so i was considered a threat; might bring down the servers or something |
| 00:18.47 | Zelut | hack the planet! |
| 00:19.21 | atoponce | 3) i am close friends with the system admin, who is also a linux nerd, so worries i might steal passwords |
| 00:19.37 | atoponce | needless to say, i was treated with no trust, after 18 months of working for them |
| 00:19.51 | Zelut | that's lame |
| 00:20.16 | atoponce | tell me about it |
| 00:20.50 | atoponce | i've debated submitting their corporate emails to spam harvesters, just because of my last 2 days, which should have been last 14 days... |
| 00:21.20 | atoponce | i guess |
| 00:21.29 | atoponce | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.42 | atoponce | oh well |
| 00:22.47 | atoponce | water beneath the bridge |
| 00:23.04 | atoponce | i still have good friends there, even if the ceo treated my like dirt |
| 00:23.07 | Zelut | yeah.. man, that does seem pretty lame |
| 00:28.33 | Zelut | I'm so stoked that I got the wireless working on this macbook. I was getting a little tired of OSX honestly |
| 00:32.51 | atoponce | :) |
| 00:35.34 | Zelut | I also have the remote working and the iSight Camera :) |
| 00:35.43 | atoponce | yeah. i'm not much of a fan of OS X. it's beautiful, and all, but lacks many of the tools i'm used to, and the keyboard drives me nuts |
| 00:36.30 | Zelut | I'm figuring out the keyboard now.. lack of a delete key bugs me a bit |
| 00:36.49 | atoponce | yeah. that's #1 |
| 00:37.20 | atoponce | #2 is the lack of insert and end |
| 00:38.37 | Zelut | I figured out home & end |
| 00:39.04 | Zelut | ..in ubuntu anyway |
| 00:41.16 | atoponce | that's good |
| 00:41.54 | Zelut | and one feature that jumps to the end of each word.. which I haven't seen before. |
| 00:42.13 | Zelut | I'm sure I could map the few keys I miss. |
| 00:44.29 | Zelut | so are you going to find a machine under $9000 that you like? :) |
| 00:47.50 | atoponce | probably not |
| 00:49.45 | atoponce | there's just too many options... |
| 00:51.06 | Zelut | too bad it's too hard to customize a laptop like you can a desktop |
| 00:51.55 | atoponce | crap. so bruce perens is speaking tomorrow, and my wife washed my minidisc player in the wash |
| 00:52.12 | atoponce | so, how am i supposed to record audio now? |
| 00:52.20 | Zelut | oops |
| 00:55.43 | atoponce | grrr |
| 00:55.54 | atoponce | i have all these minidiscs, and nothing to use thim with now |
| 00:56.04 | atoponce | and i certainly can't afford to purchase a new one |
| 00:57.08 | atoponce | i'm really not in a good mood right no |
| 01:56.22 | twysted | uh use a tape recorder? :P |
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| 01:57.55 | inerspaceone | 6.10 6.06 best? |
| 01:59.32 | twysted | i like 6.10 |
| 02:00.12 | twysted | most people will tell you to upgrade to 6.10 unless you are running it on a server though most would anyways =) |
| 02:00.17 | inerspaceone | any big dif |
| 02:00.35 | twysted | well, 6.10 would have better support in #ubuntu |
| 02:00.48 | inerspaceone | k thanks |
| 02:00.51 | twysted | 6.06 would be better for servers because its "stable" but updated |
| 02:01.01 | Zelut | I prefer 6.06 |
| 02:01.42 | Zelut | on a few of my machines 6.10 introduced bugs that weren't there in 6.06 and aren't there in 7.04 |
| 02:02.14 | twysted | what kind of bugs? |
| 02:02.38 | inerspaceone | is 7.04 going to release next mo or can i get it now |
| 02:03.00 | Zelut | you can get it now but it's not officially supported until next month. |
| 02:03.10 | Zelut | I'm running it now. beta release is this week |
| 02:03.24 | twysted | best not if you dont know your way around linux / ubuntu though |
| 02:04.14 | Zelut | there are chances that it might break before official release, yeah. |
| 02:04.41 | twysted | exactly |
| 02:05.36 | inerspaceone | just built a new machine for the harbor just to play with and see if i can get al my biz apps running |
| 02:06.04 | twysted | they linux based apps? |
| 02:06.06 | inerspaceone | ill go with 6.10 |
| 02:06.37 | twysted | yea you can always install 6.06 if you change your mind but ive been pretty happy with 6.10 though i dont do much with the gui anymore =P |
| 02:06.39 | inerspaceone | auto cad is what im most worried about |
| 02:07.02 | twysted | that should be doable via wine |
| 02:07.35 | inerspaceone | we'l know soon |
| 02:10.05 | twysted | it would be the same across the board though for any linux |
| 02:10.38 | inerspaceone | what if we handed out discs at pc club with a invite to our next meting |
| 02:11.18 | twysted | huh? |
| 02:13.35 | inerspaceone | ubuntu distros as an alterntive to windows |
| 02:13.41 | twysted | oh |
| 02:14.05 | twysted | ive always just given out cds to friends |
| 02:14.13 | twysted | most go to #ubuntu for help or google |
| 02:14.55 | inerspaceone | i'm doing that just wanted to do more |
| 02:15.21 | twysted | thats good |
| 02:16.12 | twysted | if its networking i help them, usually if its anything else its the wiki for them most of them wouldnt know where to start with irc ;) and then they wouldnt understand the concept of the meets |
| 02:16.36 | Zelut | just send everyone to my blog :) |
| 02:16.45 | twysted | that works too |
| 02:16.49 | twysted | or the channel site |
| 02:28.56 | inerspaceone | i installed the lamp package for a http server Apache is running great but does'nt see php files or at least cant see phpmyadmin |
| 02:30.19 | inerspaceone | doesnt it start as a service |
| 02:30.53 | inerspaceone | mysql/php |
| 02:31.16 | Zelut | php doesn't run as a standalone service but mysql and apache do. |
| 02:31.51 | Zelut | you can 'sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart' or 'sudo /etc/init.d/mysql-server restart' to make sure they are running |
| 02:35.13 | twysted | ^+5 to Zelut |
| 02:35.48 | twysted | ive noticed sometimes i have to restart apache or im missing the apache2-mod-php or w/e the hell it is ;) |
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| 02:46.34 | redbeard2 | sontek: you around? |
| 02:57.52 | sontek | redbeard2: yeah |
| 02:57.55 | sontek | redbeard2: whats up? |
| 02:58.54 | redbeard2 | sontek: weren't you the one that took photos of the beastie cake? |
| 02:59.31 | sontek | yeah |
| 02:59.35 | sontek | http://www.sontek.net/beastie |
| 03:00.14 | redbeard2 | thanks man |
| 03:00.28 | redbeard2 | the guy in charge of the copyright wanted to know if i had any more photos |
| 03:00.37 | redbeard2 | but the one i posted is really the best one i have |
| 03:00.41 | sontek | np |
| 03:01.02 | sontek | I have larger copies if you want them |
| 03:01.09 | sontek | I didn't get very many angles |
| 03:01.43 | redbeard2 | i think you may have gotten more than me |
| 03:02.56 | sontek | I wanted to get pictures of him decapitated but I forgot :P |
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| 04:15.39 | atoponce | you know you've been on irc too long when you see screenshots of irc clients, and think 'hey! i recognize that nick' |
| 04:20.39 | Zelut | lol |
| 04:23.43 | Zelut | d'oh. I just realized I've been using aptitude a bit wrong lately |
| 04:24.00 | Zelut | instead of aptitude remove --purge I shoul just be using aptitude purge. |
| 05:11.04 | sontek | so any of you guys going to that bruce parens thing? |
| 05:11.17 | sontek | I'm thinking about swinging by there after I attend a few brainshare sessions |
| 05:11.21 | Zelut | sontek: I think atoponce wanted to. |
| 05:12.35 | Zelut | I won't be able to go, but it sounds interesting. |
| 05:14.02 | sontek | Yeah, I think it'll be interesting |
| 05:16.46 | Zelut | well switching from apt to rpm is quite different so far. |
| 05:17.50 | sontek | Zelut: yeah, using rug and smart gives you a better feeling |
| 05:18.03 | sontek | Zelut: but you can also install apt if you want |
| 05:18.24 | Zelut | I think part of the trouble is not knowing the packages names by memory, which I do for ubuntu. |
| 05:18.40 | Zelut | ...and its so weird that Fedora is not including FF 2, but waiting for FF 3. |
| 05:30.26 | sontek | haha |
| 05:30.33 | sontek | you should really checkout rug and smart first |
| 05:30.36 | sontek | smart really helps |
| 05:30.45 | Zelut | how is smart different? |
| 05:30.54 | sontek | haha, you ever misspelled your username on an install? =) |
| 05:31.08 | Zelut | don't think so, but I'll play along :) |
| 05:31.36 | sontek | I just spent the last 10 minutes trying to login with every password I use |
| 05:31.49 | sontek | then went into recovery mode to findout i was sotnek ;p |
| 05:31.57 | sontek | usermod is a wonderful thing :P |
| 05:32.00 | Zelut | lol |
| 05:32.40 | Zelut | maybe I should install Fedora 7. I've been on Feisty long enough now to be used to the later app versions. |
| 05:33.46 | sontek | yeah but its always nice to use a stable distro when learning |
| 05:34.07 | Zelut | yeah. that's how familiar I am with ubuntu I guess. |
| 05:34.27 | sontek | you don't want to be unfamiliar with a system and have to figure out why its crashing :P |
| 05:34.28 | Zelut | I could run a perpetual alpha/beta and be able to hack it into production. |
| 05:34.50 | Zelut | on fedora I'm having a hard time getting 3d setup still :) |
| 05:34.52 | sontek | I'd keep f6 for the machine and then vmware 7 just to see the differences |
| 05:36.41 | sontek | I finally figured out what was killing my installation, had nothing to do with grub or ubuntu |
| 05:36.48 | Zelut | yeah? |
| 05:36.58 | sontek | my hardware raid was taking over control of the boot order |
| 05:37.09 | sontek | and it was allowing my sata card to run its boot loader |
| 05:37.22 | sontek | and since grub was installed on the sata drive it was just blowing up |
| 05:37.51 | Zelut | and you spent the bulk of a nice spring day to figure that out? :) |
| 05:38.02 | sontek | haha yeah :( |
| 05:38.20 | sontek | Its always the easiest solution but I never look there first |
| 05:39.18 | Zelut | well sometimes we assume it's going to be something technical so that is where we look first. |
| 05:40.59 | sontek | Down to 1.2 tb though since I decided to go raid1 for 2 of the disks |
| 05:41.18 | Zelut | you know part of me hopes my work doesn't want me to stay for two weeks. :) |
| 05:41.30 | Zelut | the last guy who gave notice was told he could just leave anytime. |
| 05:42.00 | Zelut | I would like to buy a second 500G and raid it up.. I haven't done any raid setup yet :( |
| 05:45.45 | sontek | only reason I need the raid is because I run an svn server on it |
| 05:45.49 | sontek | so I don't want to lose my code =) |
| 05:47.56 | Zelut | yeah. I don't want to lose the 50.4Gb or .ogg I have :) |
| 05:51.19 | Zelut | is it really almost midnite. cripes |
| 05:52.01 | sontek | I have over 800 GB worth of movies and tv shows, no way I can mirror all of it |
| 05:52.07 | sontek | haha yeah |
| 05:52.25 | Zelut | I better get to bed I guess.. back to work after a four day weekend. |
| 05:52.43 | sontek | you putting in your 2 weeks tomorrow? |
| 05:52.57 | Zelut | sent an email today, yeah. |
| 05:53.45 | Zelut | I'm just ready to change jobs. I hate the two-week notice, ya know. |
| 05:55.15 | sontek | yeah |
| 05:55.29 | sontek | in your case, 2 weeks really doesn't matter to much does it? |
| 05:59.08 | Zelut | my caseL |
| 05:59.10 | Zelut | *? |
| 05:59.34 | sontek | well, usually 2 weeks is for knowledge transfer and training replacements |
| 05:59.53 | sontek | but it sounded like you were pretty much a consultant |
| 06:00.12 | Zelut | yeah, I wouldn't be training anyone to take my position. |
| 06:00.22 | Zelut | either they know how to consult or they don't :) |
| 06:01.22 | Zelut | they might want me to stay around and work with my clients until we can get them scheduled with someone else though. |
| 06:01.35 | Zelut | anyway, I'm going to get to bed. ttyl |
| 06:04.37 | sontek | goodnight! |
| 09:05.02 | sontek | =) |
| 13:26.48 | atoponce | blog comment spam is on the rise for me. i'd say it's doubled in the last week |
| 14:21.41 | Zelut | morning |
| 14:36.58 | maquis | hrm... |
| 14:47.58 | Zelut | time for me to head off to work |
| 14:51.45 | maquis | *yawn* |
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| 15:30.18 | Kemotaha | did you guys get the presentation I sent out to the list last week? |
| 15:35.39 | atoponce | yeah |
| 15:37.48 | Zelut | yeah. thanks |
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| 15:42.02 | sontek | I'm going to the Bruce Perens thing wearing an Evolution shirt =) |
| 15:42.49 | atoponce | i'm wearing my bloggers shirt |
| 15:43.05 | atoponce | and i ironed it this morning, and you would never know it |
| 15:43.13 | sontek | lol! |
| 15:43.15 | Zelut | you guys'll have to tell me how it goes |
| 15:43.22 | sontek | Just throw it in the dryer on high heat :P |
| 15:43.29 | atoponce | i'll have audio and photos of the event |
| 15:43.59 | Zelut | sontek: that's how I iron. dryer with a damp rag. |
| 15:44.36 | atoponce | i love how people think that hardware doesn't work in linux |
| 15:44.46 | Zelut | atoponce: but it doesn't.. |
| 15:45.12 | atoponce | i just bought and el-cheapo rca digital voice recorder with usb out, and debian testing recognizes it without a problem |
| 15:45.28 | atoponce | in fact, it automounts the device, and pulls up the folder |
| 15:45.49 | Zelut | In the last year I've had less trouble with hardware in Ubuntu than I have in XP. |
| 15:45.51 | atoponce | lo and behold, there are the mp3's that it records the voice in |
| 15:46.14 | Zelut | atoponce: it doesn't write as .ogg? it is el-cheapo! :) |
| 15:46.26 | atoponce | well, i'll convert. no problem there. :) |
| 15:46.44 | Zelut | hehe |
| 15:47.16 | Zelut | everyone that I've told about my new job here are giving me these jealous looks.. like they want to trade places. |
| 15:49.39 | atoponce | lol |
| 15:50.04 | atoponce | so, we found a great hose in that area that i like |
| 15:50.10 | atoponce | near the open house we went into |
| 15:50.13 | Zelut | yeah? |
| 15:50.19 | atoponce | 2600 sq feet, 189,900 |
| 15:50.36 | Zelut | where'd you find that? |
| 15:52.34 | Zelut | seems much cheaper than the rest. |
| 15:52.44 | atoponce | on the utah realestate site that she gave us |
| 15:53.02 | Zelut | how 'bout that. |
| 15:53.03 | atoponce | the houses in that area range from ~175 up to the mid 200's |
| 15:53.13 | atoponce | we didn't see 1/10th of what was there |
| 15:53.34 | Zelut | yeah, I found quite a bit more when I searched online but they all seemed to be similar prices. |
| 15:53.39 | atoponce | i'm probably going to head back there a few times this week, and see what is for sale by owner |
| 15:53.44 | Zelut | I guess I'll have to keep looking. |
| 15:57.53 | atoponce | http://tinyurl.com/yw6foa |
| 15:57.58 | atoponce | that's the area we were in |
| 15:58.52 | atoponce | close to a few parks, golf course and freeway |
| 16:00.31 | atoponce | http://tinyurl.com/yutcwg |
| 16:00.37 | atoponce | distance and time to the airport |
| 16:00.51 | atoponce | from the open house |
| 16:04.02 | Zelut | not bad.. |
| 16:04.15 | Zelut | I know I'm going to have to put some more time into looking.. |
| 16:09.56 | sontek | atoponce: you moving to SLC too? |
| 16:10.16 | sontek | oh, I read it wrong :P |
| 16:10.24 | atoponce | i would like too, but property is just too expensive |
| 16:10.29 | sontek | Yeah, that area has really nice houses for cheap |
| 16:10.32 | atoponce | probably going to move to layton |
| 16:10.42 | atoponce | layton/clearfield border |
| 16:10.47 | sontek | I was looking in syracuse and found a lot of brand new developments for under 200 |
| 16:11.39 | atoponce | north ogden has some great prices |
| 16:11.50 | atoponce | 3700-4000 sq ft, for 200 |
| 16:11.59 | atoponce | that's nice, but i don't want to go further north |
| 16:12.08 | Zelut | may as well just move to brigham city or something. |
| 16:12.13 | atoponce | exactly |
| 16:15.14 | Zelut | atoponce: herlo said he's looking in Murray. sounds like similar time / distance. |
| 16:15.23 | atoponce | another nice thing about that area, is it's location. close to the layton mall, and a bazillion and a half shops, stores, restaurants, etc |
| 16:15.23 | Zelut | I'm not really familiar with it though.. |
| 16:15.36 | Zelut | also murray has utopia :) |
| 16:15.41 | atoponce | hmmm... |
| 16:16.21 | Zelut | seems that it's either murray or centerville for utopia.. and utopia is a nice selling point for me :) |
| 16:16.26 | atoponce | http://www.utopianet.org/where/ |
| 16:16.37 | atoponce | layton will have it |
| 16:16.44 | Zelut | or layton :) |
| 16:16.47 | atoponce | :) |
| 16:17.07 | Zelut | construction hasn't started though it seems. |
| 16:17.17 | atoponce | yeah. it hasn't |
| 16:17.19 | Zelut | 77% of murray is laid. |
| 16:17.27 | atoponce | same with centerville |
| 16:17.33 | atoponce | (not started) |
| 16:18.03 | Zelut | high-speed is definitely a selling point for me.. and I don't consider qworst high-speed |
| 16:18.30 | atoponce | i'll stick with comcast cable until utopia comes around, one way or the other |
| 16:19.43 | Zelut | I don't know why I came in so early today.. I have nothing to do this morning |
| 16:22.57 | Zelut | I do not understand how it took virtual desktops on OSX before I got into the habit of using them. |
| 16:25.38 | atoponce | lol |
| 16:26.19 | atoponce | that block between s main st, antelope dr, 1000 e and gordon is split exactly in half between clearfield city and layton city |
| 16:26.35 | atoponce | better make sure to purchase a home in the layton area |
| 16:26.41 | atoponce | so i can get utopia |
| 16:27.22 | Zelut | hehe |
| 16:27.47 | atoponce | http://utahrealestate.com/667336 |
| 16:27.52 | atoponce | there's the house we're looking at |
| 16:28.06 | atoponce | the only thing that bugs me about it is the power pole in the side yard |
| 16:28.25 | sontek | Thats actually rather small when you consider the basement isn't finished and thats half the footage (unless you don't mind throwing up some drywall) |
| 16:28.29 | sontek | i'll help =) |
| 16:28.41 | atoponce | nope. not a prob |
| 16:28.47 | atoponce | sontek: you're hired |
| 16:28.58 | atoponce | still in clearfield, though |
| 16:29.05 | sontek | When I was younger my parents used to buy houses and remodel them :P |
| 16:29.07 | atoponce | by one street |
| 16:29.12 | sontek | I should've been a constructor worker! ;) |
| 16:29.16 | sontek | construction** |
| 16:29.20 | atoponce | yeah. my parents to |
| 16:29.22 | atoponce | *too |
| 16:29.38 | Zelut | can do pretty well flipping houses... |
| 16:29.51 | Zelut | I want an unfinished basement to create Zelut's laboratory |
| 16:31.04 | atoponce | i think i want unfinished as well |
| 16:31.13 | atoponce | it would be nice to customize it as i want |
| 16:31.29 | Kemotaha | zelut's laboratory? Wouldn't you rather have Zelut's data center? |
| 16:31.41 | atoponce | Kemotaha: now you're talking! :) |
| 16:32.01 | Kemotaha | That's whats my closet is |
| 16:32.14 | Kemotaha | I am looking to get a window airconditioner for that room |
| 16:34.34 | Kemotaha | man it quiet real fast |
| 16:34.41 | Kemotaha | it got * |
| 16:34.54 | Zelut | you scared us jumping out like that |
| 16:35.04 | Zelut | shouldn't you be up at brainshare? :) |
| 16:35.10 | atoponce | http://utahrealestate.com/670205 |
| 16:35.14 | atoponce | there's a nice one |
| 16:35.37 | atoponce | that's in city boundaries |
| 16:35.53 | Zelut | I think I'm narrowing close to a single level with basement. |
| 16:36.00 | Zelut | ...I think. |
| 16:36.20 | atoponce | i would prefer a rambler, but that's a nice house... |
| 16:38.19 | atoponce | small lot, though |
| 16:38.31 | Zelut | I like that second one, the look anyway, over the first. |
| 16:41.46 | atoponce | yeah |
| 16:41.49 | atoponce | i think i do too |
| 16:42.13 | Zelut | the first one even looks like they didn't tidy up the inside much. |
| 16:42.23 | atoponce | yeah |
| 16:42.33 | atoponce | and i don't like the entry way in the front room |
| 16:42.35 | atoponce | weird |
| 16:42.38 | Zelut | looks like blankets hanging from windows which of course doesn't affect you but it doesn't help the appal. |
| 16:44.57 | Kemotaha | Yeah I tried to get to brain share but they don't need my help |
| 16:45.07 | Kemotaha | Maybe later in the week |
| 16:45.12 | sontek | I can print badges if anyone needs ;) |
| 16:45.32 | sontek | I'm going to that Bruce Perens thing today |
| 16:45.41 | sontek | I think if anything it'll be entertaining |
| 16:46.07 | sontek | There wasn't any good sessions at Brainshare this year to make it worth going |
| 16:46.29 | sontek | I think Robert Love had one talk that I was interested in and that was it |
| 16:46.31 | Kemotaha | sontek, come on, Microsoft is giving a sesson |
| 16:46.38 | Kemotaha | ;P |
| 16:46.57 | sontek | I'm not an opensource biggot, I have nothing against MS :) |
| 16:47.08 | Kemotaha | So we got Microsoft to not have Windows Vista and Office at their booth |
| 16:47.15 | Kemotaha | for brainshare |
| 16:47.19 | atoponce | <cough>.net developer!</cough> |
| 16:47.22 | Zelut | so what do they have at their booth? |
| 16:47.33 | atoponce | :) |
| 16:47.46 | Kemotaha | Not sure. Maybe the SLES coupons they bought from us? |
| 16:47.48 | sontek | atoponce: Perl, Python, PHP, and C++ developer also =) |
| 16:47.54 | sontek | atoponce: I just prefer .net over all the rest |
| 16:48.59 | Zelut | just watch, someday M$ will fear visiting Utah. |
| 16:49.05 | sontek | but I'm gonna head out and snag up some lunch and head over to the shiloh |
| 16:49.11 | Kemotaha | I would probably use office if 1) it ran natively on Linux and 2) It didn't cost an arm and a leg. |
| 16:49.14 | sontek | They have an office hear, they have no fear! |
| 16:49.15 | Zelut | Open Source will win over ever man, woman and child! |
| 16:49.28 | sontek | here*** |
| 16:50.51 | sontek | I like office more than openoffice, I just like to know my document will look nice in all OS's |
| 16:50.51 | Zelut | Kemotaha: I've started using Google Docs / Spreadsheets.. and when I can't get online OOo is more than enough. |
| 16:50.51 | sontek | so I suck it up |
| 16:50.58 | Zelut | sontek: it would look good in every OS if M$ would just adopt odt like the rest of the freaking world |
| 16:51.15 | Kemotaha | Zelut, I know but office is a little more mature, so it is easier to do some things. Not saying I think OOo and Google docs aren't nice. I use them. They just could use some more polish |
| 16:51.25 | atoponce | Zelut: didn't you hear? they got ooxml on the fast track to possible iso approval |
| 16:52.06 | atoponce | despite the objections, concerns, discrepencies, contradictions and problems with their 6,000,000,000 page spec |
| 16:52.21 | atoponce | i guess money will buy your way into anything |
| 16:52.25 | atoponce | anyway, time to run |
| 16:52.29 | atoponce | catch ya'll later |
| 16:53.20 | Zelut | Kemotaha: so use them and help with the polish. help make them better |
| 16:53.59 | Zelut | I always wonder about that.. people like open apps but based on minor limitations, or because it isn't the defacto standard, they don't use it or help improve it. |
| 16:54.35 | Zelut | they'll never be improved if we leave it completely up to the developers alone. |
| 16:54.46 | Kemotaha | I try and help. |
| 16:55.35 | Kemotaha | BTW I haven't used anything in Office for 2 or 3 years. |
| 16:55.39 | Zelut | I think my views are a little more right-wing than most.. |
| 16:57.01 | Kemotaha | So is closed source left-wing or wrong-wing ;) |
| 16:57.33 | Zelut | it's definitly wrong-winged :) |
| 16:58.10 | Kemotaha | So I finally got Feisty installed on my Raid |
| 16:58.27 | Zelut | nice. |
| 16:58.42 | Zelut | I'm running Feisty on my macbook, with wireless now. w00t! |
| 16:58.45 | Kemotaha | It's not quite all setup yet but it is getting there |
| 16:59.27 | Kemotaha | I wish I had a mac book |
| 16:59.43 | Zelut | I wouldn't be surprised if I wipe OSX before the month is out. |
| 17:00.09 | Zelut | ...but I will like it for video chat over skype, which is yet unsupported in Linux. |
| 17:00.27 | Kemotaha | Can't it run in Wine with video support? |
| 17:02.26 | Zelut | haven't tried. the iSight camera works in Ekiga though. |
| 17:02.53 | Zelut | I could try wine but I generally don't like to. wine is a crutch. |
| 17:03.05 | Zelut | see, again with the right-wing linux-only-ism. |
| 17:21.24 | maquis | :) |
| 17:21.26 | maquis | i've never used wine |
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| 17:24.20 | twysted | ive used wine, its well fun |
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| 17:53.37 | dac_ | Hello... just saw this channel, I live just north of Houston Texas |
| 17:55.18 | linuxalien | Cooll |
| 17:55.22 | linuxalien | er *cool |
| 17:55.28 | dac_ | I also just installed this ubuntu OS a couple days ago |
| 17:55.28 | linuxalien | I think everyone is asleep or doing work |
| 17:55.31 | linuxalien | or eating lunch |
| 17:59.54 | dac_ | I just finished a chick-fil a sandwich 1 hour ago,just 20 mins. from here |
| 18:00.38 | dac_ | where are you in Utah |
| 18:01.59 | linuxalien | Ogden |
| 18:02.15 | linuxalien | Hey, sorry to take off but my lunch is over and I gotta get back to work |
| 18:02.29 | dac_ | lifer? |
| 18:02.43 | linuxalien | Lifer? |
| 18:02.46 | linuxalien | I work fulltime |
| 18:02.48 | dac_ | cool |
| 18:03.25 | linuxalien | Well, gotta dash. Hopefully people in the channel will notice someone here hehe |
| 18:03.38 | Kemotaha | ahoy dac_ |
| 18:03.44 | dac_ | Ubuntu is great so far, |
| 18:03.52 | dac_ | was kanotix |
| 18:04.44 | dac_ | Hi kemotaha |
| 18:05.19 | dac_ | are you on a boat? |
| 18:05.53 | Kemotaha | nope |
| 18:06.00 | dac_ | k |
| 18:06.12 | Kemotaha | just like to get some excitement in my day |
| 18:06.33 | dac_ | we all need that |
| 18:07.14 | dac_ | how long have you done ubuntu? |
| 18:08.26 | Kemotaha | hold on |
| 18:08.34 | dac_ | k |
| 18:09.08 | dac_ | :-) |
| 18:11.49 | Zelut | dac_: you might want to check out #ubuntu-us. That is our project room for nationwide ubuntu support. |
| 18:15.05 | dac_ | ok, Zelut, I've written it down. Thank you. Can't go,still waiting for Kemotaha |
| 18:15.30 | Zelut | dac_: we've actually got a team in houston. We might want to line you up with them for some local support. |
| 18:16.01 | dac_ | ok |
| 18:16.17 | Kemotaha | go ahead, I am on a phone call that will take a while |
| 18:16.30 | Kemotaha | So I wasn't paying much attention to this' |
| 18:16.31 | redbeard1 | is there a perl 5.8.8 package for ubuntu 6.06? |
| 18:16.38 | Kemotaha | that is why I told you to wait |
| 18:16.46 | dac_ | bye to all, and thank you |
| 18:16.52 | Zelut | no problem |
| 18:17.47 | redbeard1 | Zelut: do you know where i can look? |
| 18:18.03 | Zelut | redbeard1: uhm, one sec |
| 18:32.05 | maquis | uh |
| 18:32.07 | maquis | that's scary |
| 18:32.24 | maquis | weird |
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| 18:33.14 | maquis | don't resize window while something's running or it might do something really weird |
| 18:40.03 | Zelut | redbeard1: take a look here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/ |
| 18:40.42 | redbeard1 | Zelut: that's exactly what i was looking for, and couldn't find |
| 18:41.10 | redbeard1 | unfortunately, that page tells me that 5.8.7 is the dapper version. |
| 18:43.42 | redbeard1 | should i just buck up and install edgy? |
| 18:52.14 | Zelut | redbeard1: you may be able to use the edgy version within dapper |
| 18:53.32 | redbeard1 | Zelut: that would be grand. how might i accomplish this? |
| 18:54.43 | Zelut | redbeard1: what version is available here? http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/ |
| 18:54.59 | Zelut | you could try to find the appropriate packages there & just manually install it. |
| 18:55.19 | Zelut | unless it has some other dependencies that'd screw up the box (which it'll tell you) that would be my suggestion. |
| 18:57.51 | redbeard1 | Zelut: that's the correct version. |
| 18:58.15 | redbeard1 | i did already install 5.8.8, but aptitude thinks that i'm still running 5.8.7 |
| 18:59.59 | Zelut | you installed 5.8.8 but it thinks you're still on 5.8.7? |
| 19:00.42 | redbeard1 | well, apt thinks it's on 5.8.7. perl thinks it's on 5.8.8 |
| 19:01.13 | redbeard1 | so anything i install from aptitude goes to the old 5.8.7 directories |
| 19:01.21 | redbeard1 | and i can't use it in 5.8.8 |
| 19:03.12 | Zelut | hmmm.. one min |
| 19:03.55 | redbeard1 | is this the curse of being in QA? the ability to hose things in ways nobody sane has ever thought of? |
| 19:34.36 | sontek | the bruce perens thing was interesting =) |
| 19:34.47 | atoponce | back |
| 19:35.00 | atoponce | looks like my audio came through okay |
| 19:36.18 | sontek | w00t |
| 19:36.28 | atoponce | i was nervous about that |
| 19:36.45 | atoponce | it takes about 5min before he gets into his richard stallman statement |
| 19:40.17 | atoponce | a little quiet, but that's okay |
| 19:53.46 | Zelut | going to post it somewhere? was it worth going to? |
| 19:57.47 | sontek | Bruce had some interesting points but he needed more time |
| 20:01.56 | sontek | http://www.sontek.net/bruceperensconf/ uploading images there now, full size and resized ones |
| 20:02.36 | sontek | The first one is of my dog though |
| 20:02.37 | sontek | lol |
| 20:03.24 | atoponce | Zelut: yeah. after work, i'll get it online |
| 20:03.39 | atoponce | it'll take some time, though, as i'm going to transcribe the presentation |
| 20:04.11 | sontek | yeah, you should run it through audacity, it can usually level it and make it louder |
| 20:04.28 | atoponce | yeah |
| 20:04.37 | atoponce | there are a few things that i need to do |
| 20:04.43 | atoponce | i need to cut off the first 5 min |
| 20:07.36 | sontek | well, the pictures I took are MIT take them and use them as you wish ;) |
| 20:07.43 | atoponce | mp3, ogg, png and txt will be the formats bz2'd and zipped |
| 20:07.53 | atoponce | cool |
| 20:07.56 | sontek | want me convert mine to png for ya? |
| 20:08.03 | atoponce | no |
| 20:08.08 | atoponce | that's ok |
| 20:08.16 | atoponce | i'm getting them all now, and just about done |
| 20:08.37 | sontek | Mine are still uploading |
| 20:09.09 | atoponce | on #35. how far do they go? |
| 20:09.38 | sontek | ok, they are done now |
| 20:09.41 | sontek | they go to 58 i believe |
| 20:09.49 | atoponce | ok |
| 20:09.51 | sontek | but I uploaded full size and smaller versions |
| 20:10.08 | atoponce | i'm grabbing full size |
| 20:11.04 | atoponce | why am i doing this one by one. jeez. wget! helloooo.... |
| 20:12.18 | sontek | lol! |
| 20:12.25 | sontek | yeah, that' |
| 20:12.30 | sontek | that'll take all did right clicking |
| 20:15.01 | sontek | day* |
| 20:15.05 | sontek | wow I need to learn to type |
| 20:16.30 | atoponce | dvorak ftw! |
| 20:29.35 | atoponce | what would be an adaquete image size for posting? 400x320? |
| 20:36.51 | sontek | if you look at the -small ones I just used convert -geometry 500x500 which came out to be a decent size |
| 20:37.29 | atoponce | ok |
| 20:37.32 | atoponce | i'll do that |
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| 20:39.54 | maquis | redbeard1: i can hose things in insane ways too |
| 20:41.06 | atoponce | sontek: what rez did you use to take those images? |
| 20:41.13 | atoponce | mined was 1024x768... |
| 20:44.30 | sontek | 3648x2736 |
| 20:45.02 | herlo | maquis: redbeard1: me too, I am a good fedorahoser |
| 21:37.04 | redbeard1 | oh man. finally got Net::TiVo working in perl. |
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| 22:00.25 | atoponce | sontek: are you familiar with audacity? |
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| 22:06.15 | sontek | atoponce: I used to use it in school |
| 22:06.18 | sontek | its been awhile though |
| 22:06.24 | sontek | what are you trying to do? |
| 22:06.54 | Zelut | stupid power outtage |
| 22:08.02 | atoponce | well, it's clipping at higher decibles, so i'd like to increase the volume, but minimize the clipping |
| 22:08.44 | herlo | atoponce: I used it before |
| 22:08.56 | herlo | I love it, what help do you need? |
| 22:09.02 | herlo | oh, I see |
| 22:09.50 | herlo | um, there's several things you can do, there's a noise reduction tool available, there's a tool to increase the amplitude...and a few others, let me look |
| 22:10.16 | atoponce | all of my plugins are greyed out |
| 22:10.25 | atoponce | don't know exactly how to enable them |
| 22:10.42 | herlo | hmm, let me look at that, mine are too but only because I don't have the sectoin where I want to affect |
| 22:11.13 | atoponce | nevermind- figured it out for the plugins, anyway... |
| 22:11.17 | herlo | atoponce: try "Select all" if you want tooo. |
| 22:11.47 | atoponce | yeah |
| 22:11.50 | herlo | atoponce: cool |
| 22:12.23 | atoponce | removing noise... let's see how it does |
| 22:14.06 | atoponce | ouch |
| 22:14.08 | atoponce | that's bad |
| 22:14.22 | atoponce | creates a really hollow, metallic sound on the voice |
| 22:14.32 | atoponce | almost like he's talking into a tin can :) |
| 22:16.18 | herlo | atoponce: try to amplify first, then remove noce |
| 22:16.21 | herlo | noise |
| 22:16.23 | herlo | man |
| 22:16.56 | atoponce | ok |
| 22:19.25 | herlo | atoponce: if that doesn't work, reduce amplification, remove noise, then re-amplify |
| 22:21.51 | atoponce | normalizing works pretty well. i'll just do that and call it good |
| 22:33.06 | Zelut | how difficult would it be to create a form to enter certain information which then ties into a paypal or google checkout button? |
| 22:33.26 | herlo | atoponce: cool |
| 22:33.41 | herlo | Zelut: that's pretty easy...why? |
| 22:36.55 | Zelut | herlo: I'm just having trouble doing it.. |
| 22:37.31 | Zelut | it's a simple registration form that a friend needs. He wants a form data, payment thru paypal (or google) and then he'll get an email with the registration and the cash. |
| 22:37.48 | Zelut | its for a non-profit that he does and I thought I'd help him, but now I'm getting stuck :) |
| 22:47.01 | herlo | Zelut: it might require a simple script (php, perl, etc) based upon what they want... |
| 23:26.22 | atoponce | sontek: what are you licensing your photos under? the mit license? |
| 23:26.51 | sontek | everything I release is MIT |
| 23:26.56 | atoponce | any chances to reconsider to CC GPL? |
| 23:27.24 | sontek | if you want, I always just do MIT because I don't care what people do with my stuff =) |
| 23:27.43 | atoponce | ok. does MIT give me the ability to relicense? |
| 23:28.00 | atoponce | yup. i guess so |
| 23:28.01 | atoponce | cool |
| 23:28.03 | atoponce | thx |
| 23:28.14 | sontek | yeah |
| 23:28.16 | sontek | np |
| 23:30.27 | sontek | atoponce: but if you just want to have them on your site as GPL I can take them down from mine once you get them up =) |
| 23:30.36 | sontek | As long as they are available for people to see I don't mind |
| 23:30.49 | atoponce | yeah. i have 88 png files in the archive |
| 23:31.06 | atoponce | all yours, plus mine |
| 23:31.38 | atoponce | it'll be released soon, as soon as i can transcribe the audio... |
| 23:32.02 | sontek | did you get the audio sounding decent? |
| 23:32.21 | sontek | The reporter that was next to me was also recording so if you can't we can probably get it from him |
| 23:32.31 | atoponce | yeah |
| 23:32.36 | atoponce | it turned out ok |
| 23:32.52 | atoponce | you might have to turn up your volume a little, but it's clear and distinguishable |
| 23:34.50 | sontek | yeah, he was quiet sometimes too though |