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02:26.48 | atoponce | herlo: ping |
02:26.57 | atoponce | i forgot the real reason why i needed you earlier |
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03:01.14 | RoundyT1 | lol |
03:01.37 | RoundyT1 | Ever heard of Jamendo? |
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04:57.35 | sontek | :D |
04:57.40 | sontek | whats everyone up to? |
04:59.34 | Sir_Brizz | going to bed :) |
04:59.36 | Sir_Brizz | hehe |
05:09.04 | herlo | sontek: building an lvm on my 500GB drive |
05:17.47 | sontek | herlo: nice =) |
05:20.32 | sontek | herlo: you doing it in fedora or ubuntu? |
05:20.57 | herlo | sontek: moving 200G of data between two lvm'd devices |
05:20.59 | herlo | fedora |
05:26.47 | herlo | sontek: why? |
05:26.50 | sontek | move some of your data to my lvm! |
05:26.57 | sontek | I need more data :D |
05:26.58 | herlo | sontek: how much you go? |
05:27.00 | herlo | got |
05:27.04 | sontek | 1.2tb |
05:27.09 | herlo | sontek: 2.2tb |
05:27.15 | herlo | but not on this drive |
05:27.22 | herlo | that's another file server |
05:27.22 | sontek | oh noes, I'm gonna have to go shopping tomorrow |
05:27.28 | herlo | sontek: haha |
05:28.02 | herlo | we've got 7 400GB drives hardware raid5 with lvm on top, total 2.2TB (remember its 2.4TiB |
05:28.05 | herlo | ) |
05:28.16 | herlo | stupid marketing people |
05:29.53 | sontek | lol |
05:29.54 | herlo | sontek: is this a penis contest or something? |
05:29.58 | sontek | Have anything good? =) |
05:30.05 | herlo | sontek: plenty |
05:30.10 | sontek | herlo: not yet, let me go shopping tomorrow then we'll measure |
05:30.19 | sontek | :D |
05:37.04 | herlo | sontek: pump it up baby, mine is all natural! |
05:37.08 | herlo | :-P |
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05:43.28 | thenetduck | boom baby |
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14:03.53 | RoundyT1 | Anyone ever load up PCLinuxOS? |
14:04.40 | RoundyT1 | holy crap its pretty |
14:05.02 | RoundyT1 | i almost like the "prettiness" more than ubuntu's prettiness. |
14:28.15 | atoponce | function over form |
14:28.35 | maquis | people are always saying they don't see how i like evilwm because it's ugly |
14:28.53 | maquis | i think it actually looks quite nice, and it does exactly what i need, nothing more, nothing less |
14:29.31 | atoponce | RoundyT1: pclinuxos looks just like a standard kde desktop |
14:29.52 | atoponce | RoundyT1: you may want to install kubuntu-desktop, and give that a whirl if you like kde |
14:30.36 | atoponce | maquis: agreed. it's all about getting something done, not looking as cool as possible |
14:31.07 | atoponce | however, desktop effects are fun, as long as they don't get in my way, or take up valuable system resources |
14:31.35 | atoponce | there needs to be balance. but i still prefer function over form |
14:32.01 | atoponce | ~onjoin Zelut atoponce: ping |
14:32.01 | jbot | atoponce: ok |
14:32.17 | atoponce | i'm off to work |
14:32.47 | maquis | i like the look of the floppy windows, but at the same time, i know i'd never get anything done if i had them set up |
14:42.26 | RoundyT1 | i don't think i do |
14:43.17 | maquis | i just think they're fun :) |
14:44.30 | RoundyT1 | ya. i was just saying for a windows user if they came straight to KDE -- they would like it better than gnome |
14:44.32 | RoundyT1 | i tihnk |
14:46.08 | maquis | possibly... i wouldn't know |
14:46.50 | maquis | http://xkcd.com/ <-- lol!!!! |
14:47.00 | RoundyT1 | it just seems extremely like Windows XP setup. I just think people would be like "oh I know what to do here" as apposed to how ubuntu is a bit different setup (though i've never loaded Kubuntu) so i'm not sure. |
14:47.28 | RoundyT1 | lol |
14:47.46 | RoundyT1 | "I wonder how it happens every time" duh lol that's great |
14:47.58 | maquis | :) |
14:48.16 | maquis | RoundyT1: that's what's so great about having options |
14:48.23 | maquis | honestly, gnome and kde both don't work for me |
14:48.32 | maquis | but i have a choice, and i don't have to use them if i don't want to |
14:50.14 | RoundyT1 | http://xkcd.com/c237.html |
14:50.46 | RoundyT1 | and you use which? |
14:54.02 | maquis | RoundyT1: evilwm |
14:54.34 | maquis | it manages windows |
14:54.47 | maquis | windows are rectangles with 1-pixel borders around them |
14:54.58 | maquis | they can be moved, and focus can change between them |
14:55.06 | maquis | windows can also be resized |
14:55.12 | maquis | other than that, evilwm doesn't do much |
14:56.02 | RoundyT1 | lol |
14:56.11 | RoundyT1 | but you like it better? and it runs just fine with Ubuntu? |
14:56.59 | maquis | i love evilwm |
14:57.04 | RoundyT1 | http://xkcd.com/c42.html |
14:57.06 | RoundyT1 | lol |
14:57.13 | maquis | and everything can work fine with ubuntu |
14:57.30 | maquis | ubuntu is just another linux distro |
14:58.24 | maquis | if it can be made to work in gentoo, it can be made to work in ubuntu, and vice versa... |
14:58.48 | maquis | it just depends on how much effort you're willing to put in and whether you know how to get things working |
14:59.33 | RoundyT1 | o |
14:59.36 | RoundyT1 | kool |
14:59.45 | RoundyT1 | you have it on a laptop? |
15:00.22 | maquis | evilwm? |
15:00.22 | maquis | yeah |
15:00.29 | maquis | all my boxes have evilwm set up |
15:00.46 | maquis | first thing i did my first day of work was to switch my work machine to use evilwm instead of gnome |
15:00.49 | maquis | :) |
15:01.11 | maquis | my laptop doesn't have gnome/kde installed (which is a massive pain to do in ubuntu, btw) |
15:03.05 | maquis | RoundyT1: i'm a bit of a hard-core geek... |
15:03.32 | RoundyT1 | and you're how old? |
15:03.33 | RoundyT1 | :-D |
15:03.38 | maquis | RoundyT1: 22 |
15:04.00 | RoundyT1 | cool cool |
15:04.08 | RoundyT1 | you can never be too old or too young for computers |
15:04.09 | maquis | i just feel rather strongly that the most important thing about linux is the ability to choose |
15:04.36 | maquis | the fact that you prefer kde, someone else prefers gnome, and i prefer evilwm is a great thing |
15:04.52 | maquis | because linux lets us each have exactly what we want |
15:05.08 | maquis | we're not pigeon-holed into a box |
15:05.32 | maquis | RoundyT1: out of curiosity, what do you do? are you a dev, admin, non-computer-job, student, etc? |
15:05.55 | maquis | i've found that ubuntu tends to have all types of people more than many other distros do |
15:06.39 | RoundyT1 | student/IT Manager |
15:06.45 | maquis | cool |
15:06.52 | maquis | IT manager meaning? |
15:07.50 | RoundyT1 | Meaning I manage servers at a business take care of people that have CAPS lock on and can't login with their password, phone issues, printer trash, server issues, website design, etc. |
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15:10.45 | maquis | RoundyT1: cool |
15:11.09 | RoundyT1 | <PROTECTED> |
15:11.25 | RoundyT1 | I'm trying to learn about debian more now cause he has a debian server... |
15:11.27 | maquis | the second half of that sounds more interesting to me, but it doesn't sound all too bad |
15:11.27 | sontek | did you see vista got hacked by an animated cursor? |
15:11.47 | maquis | sontek: i didn't, but i'm not overly surprised |
15:11.53 | RoundyT1 | i can't get gnome running on another debian box though....it sucks, (though its probably easy im a noob) |
15:12.13 | maquis | RoundyT1: nothing wrong with being a noob |
15:12.23 | maquis | is it giving a specific error? or what? |
15:12.27 | RoundyT1 | lol just constantly trying to learn |
15:12.28 | maquis | what happens that it's not working? |
15:12.30 | maquis | :) |
15:12.34 | maquis | RoundyT1: that's how we all are |
15:12.58 | RoundyT1 | i loaded gdm and gnome-desktop or something like that and when i type "gnome" nothing happens ... i supposed its not exactly like ubuntu. |
15:13.59 | sontek | do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start |
15:14.04 | sontek | and then choose the session gnome |
15:14.08 | sontek | or run gnome-session |
15:14.15 | RoundyT1 | k one sec |
15:14.20 | RoundyT1 | have to hook up that system |
15:19.28 | RoundyT1 | why isn't it like ubuntu where you just type "gnome" |
15:19.58 | sontek | you can't do that in ubuntu either? |
15:20.03 | maquis | RoundyT1: i'm betting "gnome" is a script that does all the other stuff for you |
15:20.18 | sontek | maquis: Its not, Ubuntu doesn't have 'gnome' |
15:20.37 | RoundyT1 | oh |
15:20.41 | RoundyT1 | i thought i have before |
15:21.08 | RoundyT1 | what the heck, taking an hour to recognize IDE harddrive. |
15:21.36 | maquis | sontek: ah |
15:21.49 | maquis | well, it would work, if you did that, though |
15:22.00 | maquis | so you could hypothetically write a script that would do all the work |
15:22.17 | RoundyT1 | dang pc its a piece |
15:22.22 | RoundyT1 | lol |
15:24.29 | RoundyT1 | there we go, some power issue. weird stuff |
15:24.37 | RoundyT1 | this powersupply must suck |
15:25.13 | RoundyT1 | what's an animated cursor? i feel dumb lo |
15:27.25 | RoundyT1 | and just a note-- the sudo doesnt work, it only works with "su" and /etc/init.d/gdm start says there's no such file/dri |
15:28.29 | RoundyT1 | weird it says that it wasn't installed...that's way weird...i installed it yesterday |
15:30.02 | maquis | hmm... is sudo set up by default in debian? i'm not remembering. |
15:30.17 | maquis | i know ubuntu prefres sudo over su, but a lot of distros don't |
15:30.30 | maquis | RoundyT1: what wasn't installed? |
15:30.38 | RoundyT1 | gdm |
15:30.53 | RoundyT1 | now it says there's a problem with the X Server. |
15:32.53 | RoundyT1 | lol guess there's alot more you have to install piece by piece with debian. |
15:32.54 | RoundyT1 | lol |
15:34.11 | maquis | RoundyT1: yes |
15:34.20 | maquis | ubuntu does everything for you |
15:34.23 | maquis | which has pros and cons |
15:34.45 | maquis | ubuntu is designed/setup with the "average" user in mind |
15:34.57 | RoundyT1 | o |
15:35.05 | maquis | so, if you're an average user, you can install ubuntu, and with minimal effort, you're up and running |
15:35.25 | RoundyT1 | oh dear "please enter the video card's bus identifier... |
15:35.26 | maquis | if you aren't an average user (ie, you want to do things differently from ubuntu's expectations), it takes more work |
15:35.37 | maquis | RoundyT1: what are you doing? |
15:35.40 | RoundyT1 | "AGP?" |
15:35.47 | RoundyT1 | lol setting up Xserver? |
15:35.48 | RoundyT1 | i think |
15:35.52 | maquis | RoundyT1: using what? |
15:35.56 | RoundyT1 | idk |
15:36.08 | maquis | what command did you run to get to the tool that you're using? |
15:36.31 | RoundyT1 | Debian Configuration -- Configuring xserver-xfree86 -- "Please enter...." |
15:36.41 | maquis | ah |
15:36.46 | RoundyT1 | i installed that "xserver-xfree86" |
15:36.49 | RoundyT1 | apt-get |
15:37.00 | RoundyT1 | lol |
15:37.07 | maquis | sorry... i don't generally use distro-specific tools for setup |
15:37.57 | RoundyT1 | so...do you know what i should do? |
15:38.42 | RoundyT1 | sontek, ping |
15:40.52 | sontek | RoundyT1: you don't have to input the bus number |
15:40.53 | maquis | RoundyT1: usually, i just edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file... or, more likely, copy the version that i saved from an earlier distro on that computer, because editing that file can be a massive pain |
15:41.15 | RoundyT1 | ...so just hit enter? |
15:41.16 | maquis | RoundyT1: does the repo have xfree and xorg? |
15:42.17 | RoundyT1 | idk |
15:42.26 | RoundyT1 | lol i hit enter and it seems like it setup ok |
15:42.31 | RoundyT1 | im gonna try gdm now |
15:43.09 | sontek | RoundyT1: you just grab xorg instead of xfree, its supported in debian now |
15:43.22 | UtahBot | [Ubuntuforums] Uengineers - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=397198 |
15:43.23 | RoundyT1 | lol |
15:43.25 | RoundyT1 | great |
15:44.00 | RoundyT1 | negative. |
15:44.06 | RoundyT1 | said it can't find the package. |
15:44.06 | sontek | RoundyT1: what version of debian are you running? |
15:44.12 | RoundyT1 | 3.1r5 |
15:44.24 | RoundyT1 | that's the latest? right? |
15:44.29 | sontek | RoundyT1: did you try searching with aptitude search |
15:44.32 | sontek | or apt-get |
15:45.25 | RoundyT1 | it loads then nothing is found |
15:45.38 | RoundyT1 | i did "aptitude search xorg" |
15:45.46 | RoundyT1 | and apt-cache search xorg |
15:45.52 | RoundyT1 | nothing from boh |
15:48.22 | sontek | RoundyT1: is 3.1 "sarge" ? |
15:48.55 | RoundyT1 | looks like it...though i am not sure |
15:48.58 | sontek | I forgot how long it takes debian to release |
15:49.07 | sontek | etch has xorg |
15:49.25 | sontek | Sarge has been out for over 2 years |
15:49.32 | sontek | just upgrade to etch |
15:50.20 | RoundyT1 | 3.1r5 is the current release from what i've seen |
15:50.22 | maquis | sontek: usually about 3 years between debian releases.. |
15:50.39 | maquis | which means that debian released twice since win XP came out |
15:52.29 | sontek | maquis: lol yeah, I'm not saying its a bad thing, I still have a woody server :P |
15:53.12 | maquis | sontek: i am... |
15:53.48 | sontek | maquis: having a well tested OS is important in production =) |
15:53.49 | maquis | i don't like the whole "release cycle" thing |
15:53.56 | maquis | sontek: sure |
15:53.59 | sontek | maquis: I refuse to run ubuntu on my servers at work |
15:54.35 | maquis | but at the same time, it can be *really* frustrating when you go to the machine and the tools you're used to aren't available because the distro is too old |
15:54.39 | {phoenyx} | http://www.thegooglecache.com/rants-and-raves/new-digg-feature-friend-spamming-proof-of-concept/ |
15:54.53 | {phoenyx} | something to add to your blogs |
15:55.29 | {phoenyx} | ;) |
15:57.32 | sontek | I think this whole Ubuntu joke this is ridiculous everyone is over reacting over a pretty funny joke |
15:59.51 | RoundyT1 | ok so im trying to upgrade via sources and term |
16:00.30 | RoundyT1 | sontek, why not ubuntu server? |
16:01.38 | sontek | RoundyT1: because their server packages are poorly supported |
16:01.49 | RoundyT1 | what about 6.06 |
16:01.53 | RoundyT1 | ? no? |
16:01.58 | RoundyT1 | so what do you run? |
16:02.16 | sontek | RoundyT1: if the package works in 6.06 and they broke it in edgy, even better reason not to use them =) |
16:02.26 | RoundyT1 | l0ol |
16:02.44 | RoundyT1 | so do you use a debian server? |
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16:03.21 | maquis | sontek: what joke? |
16:03.49 | maquis | sontek: no kidding... ubuntu server can't get upgraded |
16:05.10 | sontek | maquis: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2007-March/003698.html |
16:05.25 | sontek | People responded with "omgz against CoC!!!" |
16:05.33 | sontek | and even Jono Bacon blogged about it |
16:05.39 | sontek | I Laughed when I read it |
16:06.14 | RoundyT1 | maquis, my home server is ubuntu 6.10...don't have any issues with it |
16:07.17 | sontek | RoundyT1: you probably don't do to much on it |
16:07.27 | RoundyT1 | ? |
16:07.49 | maquis | RoundyT1: did you use the server/minimal install cd? |
16:08.04 | RoundyT1 | server install cd |
16:08.09 | RoundyT1 | it has LAMP |
16:08.12 | maquis | whenever i've tried to upgrade my installation on my laptop, it wants to install gnome, etc |
16:08.24 | RoundyT1 | and that's where my wordpress is running from |
16:08.30 | maquis | even though the reason i used that cd was that i didn't want gnome, open-office, etc., installed |
16:08.38 | sontek | LVM? Raid? Print Server? PXE Network install? Local Source repo? DNS/DHCP/IPtables routing? OpenLDAP auth? |
16:08.39 | maquis | so, i haven't been able to use apt-get dist-upgrade |
16:09.05 | RoundyT1 | sontek, i don't need a personal server to do any of that. |
16:09.14 | sontek | the reason 6.10 works for you is because you probably did sudo aptitude install mysql php apache and were done =) |
16:09.15 | maquis | printing... *shudder*... why is cups so horridly painful |
16:09.16 | RoundyT1 | however, i do understand what you're saying |
16:09.37 | maquis | RoundyT1: it's not an issue of whether you need your server to do those things |
16:09.43 | maquis | it's an issue of learning to do them |
16:10.01 | RoundyT1 | cause at work debian runs our server... |
16:10.10 | RoundyT1 | one of. |
16:10.25 | sontek | It can all be done in ubuntu, and I have done it, don't get me wrong, its just painful to go through all the misconfigured packaging |
16:10.29 | RoundyT1 | I guess there's 3 Windows servers and one debian machine server |
16:10.42 | sontek | I shouldn't have to strace half the packages to find out what the maintainers did wrong |
16:10.44 | maquis | i ran a webserver hosting a db-driven website for a number of months... |
16:10.53 | sontek | I should be able to trust them to give me something that'll work |
16:10.53 | maquis | on a box that couldn't be seen outside of my dorm-building |
16:10.55 | maquis | just because |
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16:11.36 | RoundyT1 | have you tried downloading from the U of U? |
16:11.41 | RoundyT1 | its freakin FAST |
16:12.18 | RoundyT1 | fastest mirror around here (as its one of the so called "super computers" that started the internet) |
16:15.13 | sontek | I actually download faster off of ibilio and osuosl |
16:15.29 | Kemotaha | RoundyT1, it depends on how you are connected to the internet |
16:15.38 | RoundyT1 | o |
16:15.51 | Kemotaha | If you are connect via the same PNAP it will be fast then if it has to cross the internet |
16:16.14 | RoundyT1 | well xmission mirrors seem slower to me than U of U and im using comcast |
16:16.31 | Kemotaha | That might be true |
16:16.55 | Kemotaha | Run a traceroute on both connections and I bet the U of U connection with have less hops |
16:17.16 | RoundyT1 | O i c what you're saying |
16:17.42 | RoundyT1 | so there's a meeting tomorrow correct ? IRC meeting? |
16:18.43 | RoundyT1 | guess so |
16:23.47 | atoponce | yeah |
16:24.01 | atoponce | Zelut is leading it |
16:24.09 | RoundyT1 | colo |
16:25.02 | RoundyT1 | Is there a plugin that shows what music you're listening to with Amarok? |
16:25.38 | {phoenyx} | o |
16:25.41 | {phoenyx} | i c |
16:25.48 | maquis | ~lart {phoenyx} |
16:25.48 | jbot | pries {phoenyx}'s back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to {phoenyx} |
16:26.02 | {phoenyx} | lol |
16:26.33 | RoundyT1 | maquis, why? |
16:26.45 | RoundyT1 | lol |
16:26.52 | maquis | RoundyT1: because |
16:26.57 | RoundyT1 | nice reasoning |
16:27.03 | maquis | it's aol-speak |
16:27.08 | RoundyT1 | or not |
16:27.24 | RoundyT1 | sry i gtg i will bbl ttyl |
16:27.33 | maquis | it's the stuff that people use when they think they're oh-so-cool. |
16:27.52 | {phoenyx} | text messaging too |
16:27.53 | atoponce | RoundyT1: it's because, on irc, you have a full keyboard, so there is no reason to limit your typing, as opposed to texting on a cell phone |
16:28.03 | RoundyT1 | or its just stuff to abbreviate cause we're fat americans |
16:28.15 | RoundyT1 | ohj |
16:28.25 | RoundyT1 | but LOL is ok? |
16:28.27 | atoponce | plus, 1337 speak is annoying anywhere anytime |
16:28.35 | RoundyT1 | wait a seckond |
16:29.14 | maquis | i don't have a problem with lol... but the rest of it just bugs me |
16:29.24 | RoundyT1 | haha, that's funny |
16:29.27 | maquis | (and don't get me going on the use of "ur" for "your".... |
16:29.31 | RoundyT1 | interesting to know of thiss |
16:29.43 | RoundyT1 | i don't like that one. |
16:29.52 | atoponce | lol is o.k. *if* there is something *really* funny. abusing lol and omg, etc, is just as annoying |
16:29.55 | RoundyT1 | i've always corrected people that us that. |
16:30.00 | RoundyT1 | use that* |
16:30.19 | atoponce | but then, there's 'ttyl', 'imho', 'afaik' that seem ok |
16:30.22 | maquis | 1337 5pe4|< can be funny when used to make fun of the people who think it's cool |
16:30.28 | atoponce | so maybe that's hpyocracy |
16:30.31 | maquis | atoponce: agreed |
16:30.41 | RoundyT1 | haha. nice |
16:31.03 | RoundyT1 | now im afraid to type lol |
16:31.22 | maquis | ttyl, i'm not a big fan of, imho and afaik are nice because they say something important, in the middle of a long sentence, without detracting from the important points in the sentence |
16:31.33 | atoponce | nah. just don't abuse it, like someone else in another channel that i hang out in |
16:31.48 | RoundyT1 | oh ok. |
16:31.58 | maquis | although, since a large percentage of people i work with are not native english speakers, i tend to be careful with all of those things... |
16:32.02 | RoundyT1 | i think i use it a lot. but i've tried to lay off it a bit |
16:32.24 | atoponce | i guess, it's just, type in the channel as you would speak in person. |
16:32.36 | maquis | my main vices in IM/IRC conversation are "lol" and "..." |
16:32.38 | RoundyT1 | yeah, that makes more sense |
16:32.43 | atoponce | irc seems to be run by a bunch of 12 year-olds, so, tpying like them doesn't help |
16:32.59 | RoundyT1 | makes sense |
16:33.12 | maquis | atoponce: true, although there are a lot of innocent typos... particularly when it's early morning |
16:33.16 | RoundyT1 | Is there a plugin that shows what music you're listening to with Amarok? |
16:33.19 | atoponce | the one thing that i absolutely can *NOT* stand is: ;) |
16:33.23 | maquis | (which, most of my teammates would probably consider this point in the day) |
16:33.29 | maquis | atoponce: :) or ;)? |
16:33.33 | atoponce | ;) |
16:33.37 | atoponce | why wink? |
16:33.40 | maquis | i use :) a lot, but i only use ;) if i miss the shift key |
16:33.48 | {phoenyx} | like I did earlier? |
16:33.48 | RoundyT1 | ha. |
16:33.50 | {phoenyx} | hmm |
16:34.04 | atoponce | to me, ;) says 'hey sexy', and that's not something that i want to see on irc. definitely coming from another guy |
16:34.08 | RoundyT1 | what kind of music does everyone like? |
16:34.33 | {phoenyx} | RoundyT1: depends on the context |
16:34.39 | RoundyT1 | really? |
16:34.50 | {phoenyx} | RoundyT1: I like stuff without words when I'm coding |
16:34.56 | atoponce | RoundyT1: mainly jazz. but i'm pretty versatile. country and rap/hiphop are flat out |
16:35.35 | RoundyT1 | ha. |
16:35.38 | atoponce | *phew* :) |
16:35.45 | RoundyT1 | I like everything but country i think |
16:35.56 | RoundyT1 | Listening to Incubus right now...amazing stuff |
16:36.15 | RoundyT1 | has anyone (asked this yesterday) ever heard of Jamendo? |
16:36.20 | atoponce | RoundyT1: a word of caution for xchat plugins: |
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16:36.37 | atoponce | RoundyT1: avoid anything that adds 'noise' to the channel. most irc channels don't like it |
16:36.56 | RoundyT1 | ya, figured that out when i was posting my output or whatever in the channel |
16:36.57 | RoundyT1 | lol |
16:36.59 | findlay | mikearagua: did you get my resume that I posted in a PM ate Tuesday evening? |
16:37.13 | atoponce | RoundyT1: this includes auto-away scripts, sysinfo scripts, listening-to scripts, etc |
16:37.19 | RoundyT1 | ok |
16:37.23 | RoundyT1 | cool |
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16:38.24 | RoundyT1 | Today we have atoponce on the show with "Internet Etiquette" |
16:38.48 | RoundyT1 | i dont know how to etiguettacy |
16:38.50 | RoundyT1 | or whatever |
16:38.52 | RoundyT1 | wow. |
16:39.04 | RoundyT1 | etiquettacy* |
16:39.17 | atoponce | i'm just saying |
16:39.25 | RoundyT1 | its cool, im learngin |
16:40.14 | findlay | intentionally flooding an IRC channel with information that is non essential is considered rude |
16:40.21 | RoundyT1 | so i was bored last night and my girlfriend has some Albuterol ? and i sprayed it in my mouth, my gosh, i almost threw up |
16:40.42 | findlay | if you've ever been in a busy channel (150+ nics) that's always busy you know what I'm talking about |
16:41.10 | RoundyT1 | ya. |
16:41.14 | atoponce | findlay: just nics and not nicks? |
16:41.28 | RoundyT1 | ? |
16:41.29 | findlay | atoponce: heh, I guess I'm not spelling well this morning |
16:41.31 | atoponce | nics would probably produce the same results |
16:41.39 | RoundyT1 | its cold. |
16:41.48 | findlay | tnetwork interface cards |
16:42.10 | atoponce | one nick is probably connected with one nic, so the result in the channel, would theoretically be the same |
16:43.10 | findlay | atoponce: if you had an irssi sidebar you could do away with join and part info |
16:43.22 | findlay | at least that's something I'd like to try out |
16:43.25 | mikearagua | findlay: see PMs |
16:43.42 | findlay | mikearagua: which PMs? |
16:44.04 | atoponce | findlay: you can redirect your joins/parts/quits to another window, like the status window, for example |
16:44.24 | RoundyT1 | so does anyone own and ubuntu books? |
16:45.39 | RoundyT1 | any* |
16:49.17 | findlay | atoponce: so do you not like the sidebar idea? |
16:50.04 | atoponce | the sidebar works, but if you're going to implement something like that, then a functional nicklist should be the 1st priority |
16:50.42 | findlay | that was the only thing I was thinking of using it for, kind of like the xchat interface |
16:51.25 | atoponce | i haven't used xchat in a *long* time |
16:52.06 | findlay | I guess all gui irc clients would have a nick list of some sort |
16:53.04 | atoponce | i think all do. it's the text-based ones that don't, except for weechat |
16:53.16 | atoponce | brb |
16:59.52 | sontek | It'd be easy to implement a decent nicklist interface with the nicklist.pl script and some ncurses |
17:05.17 | burn_oner | irsi with nicklist.pl is great. |
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17:27.14 | atoponce | nicklist is just too hackish |
17:27.27 | atoponce | weechat did it right building it in |
17:29.28 | sontek | as much as I'd love to hack on some c code and implement the nicklist, ncurses + nicklist.pl = easy =) |
17:32.14 | burn_oner | i agree. |
17:34.19 | maquis | *YAW* |
17:34.21 | maquis | N |
17:35.33 | RoundyT1 | Gnomechat has one but i dont like it....its based off X-chat...and from what i loaded...its crap |
17:36.02 | sontek | RoundyT1: checkout x-chat or irssi's gtk version |
17:36.20 | burn_oner | bah. irssi in screen is best. |
17:36.53 | maquis | burn_oner: agreed |
17:37.02 | sontek | Everything should be developed as a daemon |
17:37.18 | sontek | so then we could run our CLI irssi in screen but also connect a gtk interface to it if we wanted |
17:37.39 | burn_oner | That is a very good idea. |
17:39.23 | {phoenyx} | scottymuse: you can live in a tent in sugarhouse park. Kim and I would feed you. |
17:43.54 | sontek | /bin/sh: cowsay: not found |
17:43.59 | sontek | :( |
17:44.31 | sontek | that should be default on server install! ;) |
17:45.25 | RoundyT1 | sontek, i use x-chat .... is irrssi"s gtk version better? |
17:45.40 | sontek | RoundyT1: never used it, but I bet it is =) |
17:46.10 | RoundyT1 | why do you assume so? |
17:47.17 | sontek | RoundyT1: Because the irssi developers are good at what they do |
17:47.23 | RoundyT1 | lkol |
17:47.35 | RoundyT1 | what are they exactly? :( |
18:17.16 | maquis | ? |
18:18.55 | atoponce | sontek: check out irssi_proxy |
18:18.55 | atoponce | use irssi as a bouncer for other irc clients |
18:18.55 | atoponce | works well |
18:21.05 | atoponce | bip is a great bouncer also |
18:21.16 | atoponce | for any irc proxy/client setup |
18:29.24 | atoponce | <PROTECTED> |
18:34.08 | RoundyT1 | what is irssi? |
18:34.23 | atoponce | the irc client of the future |
18:36.33 | burn_oner | RoundyT1: say irc out loud while looking at the work irssi. |
18:36.34 | maquis | atoponce: :) |
18:51.55 | RoundyT1 | omg |
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18:57.05 | alex__ | hey cool |
18:57.24 | RoundyT1 | That's weird |
18:57.41 | RoundyT1 | i like irssi |
18:58.42 | burn_oner | so do I |
18:58.59 | RoundyT1 | how do i switch between connected channels? |
18:59.11 | burn_oner | meta-# |
18:59.20 | burn_oner | aka alt-# |
18:59.31 | burn_oner | or esc-# |
18:59.34 | maquis | or escape # |
19:00.32 | burn_oner | i would get some pluging for it as well |
19:00.41 | RoundyT1 | not working? |
19:01.07 | burn_oner | like trackbar.pl nicklist.pl rainbow.pl wlstat.pl |
19:01.10 | sontek | atoponce: I don't want a bouncer, I want to connect to irc through a daemon, join the channels, and then be able to connect interfaces that read the daemons output =) |
19:01.37 | burn_oner | sontek: is there such an applet? |
19:01.43 | sontek | burn_oner: not yet |
19:02.15 | sontek | i'm writing a torrent library like that right now (which is what made me think of it) |
19:02.36 | sontek | but I just read that in the next version of irssi there will be vertical splits supported |
19:02.40 | sontek | then the nicklist thing will be easy |
19:02.46 | burn_oner | you know this channel is awesome. So much better then the other channel I hung out at. |
19:53.51 | atoponce | burn_oner: where you at? florida? |
19:54.56 | atoponce | we rock as a team, even if maquis is in seattle (hint hint maquis), but i think there is a pretty rockin team in fl |
19:57.01 | sontek | yeah we are the bestest(tm) LoCo team |
19:59.37 | burn_oner | no slc, ut |
19:59.44 | atoponce | ahh. cool |
19:59.48 | atoponce | even better! :) |
19:59.51 | burn_oner | bah |
20:00.13 | burn_oner | where you at? |
20:00.15 | atoponce | i just noticed that your ip is in fl, so that's why i asked |
20:00.48 | atoponce | i live in ogden, but work in slc |
20:00.57 | burn_oner | that is just the server i use for screen irssi |
20:01.07 | burn_oner | ewwwwww |
20:01.53 | atoponce | so, i'm curious now, what other channel did you hang out in? |
20:01.53 | burn_oner | lolutah |
20:02.03 | atoponce | #utah? |
20:02.36 | burn_oner | no. #lolutah formarly know as #utrave |
20:03.00 | atoponce | oh. interesting |
20:03.16 | atoponce | what is that channel like? |
20:03.52 | burn_oner | just a bunch of ex raves and techs with a little drama |
20:03.59 | burn_oner | exravers* |
20:04.39 | atoponce | i would imagine that it's run by a bunch of immature teens high on ectasy, no? :) |
20:05.36 | burn_oner | not really. We moved away from #utrave because people in there no longer rave. |
20:05.53 | RoundyT1 | sontek, Ping |
20:06.33 | RoundyT1 | nevermind. |
20:06.42 | RoundyT1 | that's cool etch automatically installs gnome |
20:07.01 | burn_oner | 0.o |
20:07.29 | RoundyT1 | 3.1r5 doesnt |
20:07.47 | atoponce | ? |
20:07.53 | RoundyT1 | debian? |
20:07.55 | atoponce | debian has always installed gnome |
20:08.05 | atoponce | well, |
20:08.16 | RoundyT1 | 3.1r5 doesnt auto install it |
20:08.20 | atoponce | that is *if* you select the desktop environment when installing |
20:08.36 | RoundyT1 | i did...and still didn't work |
20:08.42 | atoponce | if you select just server, or to select the packages you want installed, of course you wont get it |
20:08.46 | RoundyT1 | maybe something went wrong. etch works fine though |
20:10.16 | RoundyT1 | or maybe i accidentally hit something to change it on install? idk |
20:10.18 | RoundyT1 | lol |
20:10.36 | atoponce | but, if you select the 'desktop environment', you'll get it. if not, then something went wrong |
20:12.22 | RoundyT1 | k i assume something did go wrong then |
20:12.37 | atoponce | just 'sudo apt-get gnome' then |
20:12.49 | atoponce | s/sudo apt-get/aptitude/ |
20:13.07 | atoponce | i can't believe i told someone to apt-get. what's wrong with me? |
20:15.03 | RoundyT1 | what's the difference between iceweasel and firefox? |
20:15.12 | RoundyT1 | name? |
20:15.16 | atoponce | iceweasel is a firefox fork |
20:15.30 | atoponce | for the gnuzilla suite |
20:15.32 | RoundyT1 | better? worse? |
20:15.40 | atoponce | meh. depends, i guess |
20:15.52 | RoundyT1 | seems identical so far |
20:16.01 | atoponce | mozilla won't let debian have firefox unless they use the trademarked logo |
20:16.10 | RoundyT1 | but i know the options are difference |
20:16.13 | RoundyT1 | different* |
20:16.18 | atoponce | debian won't use the trademarked logo, as it's non-free according to the dfsg |
20:16.33 | RoundyT1 | Oh I see. |
20:17.02 | atoponce | so, they took the code, changed the name, created a new logo, and also forked it, making some patches that mozilla won't take |
20:17.19 | atoponce | mozilla won't take patches upstream |
20:17.49 | RoundyT1 | *forked*? |
20:18.59 | atoponce | yeah. they changed the code-base |
20:19.05 | RoundyT1 | o i c |
20:19.07 | RoundyT1 | dangit |
20:19.12 | RoundyT1 | I need to watch that |
20:19.14 | atoponce | it's now an entirely different app than firefox |
20:19.27 | RoundyT1 | I see I see. |
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20:44.50 | sontek | is the max for micro sd 2gb? |
20:50.00 | burn_oner | i think so |
20:50.28 | burn_oner | no i am wrong |
20:50.43 | burn_oner | 4gig is the current size |
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21:34.10 | atoponce | herlo: ping |
21:40.23 | sontek | atoponce: I tried that earlier! It doesn't work! |
21:40.30 | sontek | herlo is ignoring us! |
21:40.43 | atoponce | yeah. and zelut hasn't logged in once today |
21:44.32 | sontek | they must be working them hard today =) |
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21:45.42 | atoponce | something. |
21:46.02 | atoponce | sontek: so, you ready for the league to start in 2 days? |
21:48.30 | sontek | atoponce: yeah, Katie and I are going to get 24 hour fitness memberships tonight =) |
21:48.43 | atoponce | sontek: sweet! where at? |
21:48.58 | atoponce | i mean, which location? |
21:49.08 | sontek | The one on 7th downtown slc |
21:49.13 | sontek | next to trolley |
21:49.17 | atoponce | ahh. trolley corners? |
21:49.18 | atoponce | cool |
21:49.23 | maquis | league? |
21:49.54 | atoponce | maquis: yeah. we're members of a elite workout group of total fitness competition. :) |
21:50.53 | sontek | :D |
21:51.11 | sontek | i'm gonna eat nothing but mcdonalds until the league starts! |
21:51.29 | atoponce | i had wendy's today |
21:51.33 | atoponce | and i feel it |
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22:20.50 | [phoenyx1 | the web looks kinda different when you've changed your useragent to "googlebot" :) |
22:23.01 | maquis | [phoenyx]: what changes? |
22:24.44 | atoponce | [phoenyx]: check pm |
22:24.51 | atoponce | [phoenyx1: check pm |
22:26.06 | {phoenyx} | less ads |
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22:27.02 | dannybunkins | anybody therte? |
22:27.06 | dannybunkins | there? |
22:27.09 | atoponce | yeah |
22:27.16 | dannybunkins | cool |
22:27.26 | dannybunkins | so what is this ubuntu utah team thing all about? |
22:27.51 | atoponce | spreading ubuntu througout the great state of utah |
22:27.58 | dannybunkins | hmm interesting |
22:28.41 | atoponce | dannybunkins: where are you located? slc? |
22:28.56 | dannybunkins | right now i am in taylorsville but i usually am in orem |
22:29.00 | atoponce | cool |
22:29.06 | dannybunkins | where are you? |
22:29.10 | atoponce | how long have you been at ubuntu? |
22:29.13 | dannybunkins | hmm |
22:29.14 | atoponce | i live in ogden |
22:29.19 | dannybunkins | oh cool |
22:29.41 | dannybunkins | ive been using ubuntu for almost a year, but ive been using linux almost exclusively since 2003 i think |
22:29.51 | atoponce | cool. so windows |
22:29.54 | atoponce | -free, eh |
22:29.56 | atoponce | bah |
22:30.05 | atoponce | stupid <enter> key |
22:30.27 | dannybunkins | im gonna say 95% windows free |
22:30.28 | atoponce | so, how did you find the channel |
22:30.41 | dannybunkins | looking on the ubuntu-utah page |
22:31.01 | atoponce | ahh. cool. so, you're aware of the mailing list, and launchpad page, and forums, and all tha crap? :) |
22:31.01 | dannybunkins | always on the lookout for my brothers in linux |
22:31.06 | atoponce | sweet |
22:31.20 | dannybunkins | yeah i applied to be a member but the admins apparently have not check it for a while |
22:31.23 | dannybunkins | not been inducted yet |
22:31.30 | dannybunkins | officially anywa |
22:31.32 | dannybunkins | y |
22:31.59 | atoponce | on the mailing list? |
22:32.29 | dannybunkins | not yet, i guess i should subscribe |
22:33.00 | atoponce | so what did you apply to be a member of? |
22:33.12 | dannybunkins | utah ubuntu team on the launpad page |
22:33.19 | atoponce | ahh |
22:33.24 | atoponce | ok. cool |
22:33.29 | atoponce | i'll bug christer about that |
22:33.39 | dannybunkins | k |
22:33.49 | sontek | I'm going to apply for membership when my karma gets to 200 on launchpad :P |
22:33.55 | dannybunkins | so what do you do for work and what drew you to linux initially? |
22:34.33 | dannybunkins | how do you increase your karma? |
22:34.46 | atoponce | sontek: take a look at my karma. you'll see that's a silly argument |
22:35.02 | atoponce | dannybunkins: i'm a web dev for a startup company |
22:35.02 | sontek | atoponce: yeah but you do other stuff! :P |
22:35.18 | dannybunkins | ah cool |
22:35.30 | dannybunkins | any links to your stuff? |
22:35.46 | dannybunkins | i like to consider myself a semi-skilled amateur |
22:35.53 | dannybunkins | like to look at other peoples stuff |
22:35.58 | atoponce | http://introplay.com |
22:36.03 | atoponce | not released yet, but working on it |
22:36.11 | atoponce | should be in 1 month, actually. :) |
22:36.39 | dannybunkins | ah cool |
22:36.57 | dannybunkins | from skimming the "about us" it looks like a pretty good idea |
22:38.28 | maquis | dannybunkins: hello |
22:38.52 | dannybunkins | hello |
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23:00.34 | {phoenyx} | time to head home |
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23:04.00 | maquis | no fair |
23:05.16 | herlo | maquis: you can go home anytime.... |
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23:06.09 | atoponce | herlo: so, what's the plan for tomorrow for oalug? |
23:06.16 | Stk | Hey |
23:06.22 | maquis | herlo: kind-of... but i've got work to get done |
23:07.03 | atoponce | Stk: hey. what's up? |
23:07.24 | atoponce | Stk: showing off with your blackberry again? |
23:07.24 | herlo | maquis: nice... |
23:08.19 | Stk | Herlo i had to head put but u can talk to me on here or gtalk |
23:08.30 | maquis | hrm... |
23:08.37 | maquis | now that's an interesting idea... |
23:08.53 | maquis | i want to scroll on one window while typing into another |
23:08.59 | maquis | but i can't have dual focus like that |
23:09.48 | atoponce | maquis: you can in linux |
23:09.54 | Stk | Atoponce my berry is amazing |
23:10.01 | maquis | atoponce: really? how? |
23:10.17 | maquis | atoponce: and i'm guessing doing it between linux and windows over synergy is probably out of the question |
23:10.25 | atoponce | maquis: just have the one your typing in focused, and hover your mouse over the window you want to scroll and scroll |
23:10.30 | atoponce | ahh |
23:10.41 | maquis | atoponce: oh |
23:10.44 | maquis | i do sloppy focus |
23:10.54 | atoponce | yeah. well, Windows isn't smart enough to know how to scroll an unfocused window- |
23:14.24 | atoponce | herlo: you there? |
23:23.57 | Stk | We should have biweekly meetings |
23:26.10 | Stk | Peer killed herlo |
23:32.25 | atoponce | ugh |
23:32.36 | atoponce | i *really* need herlo to get on board with this |
23:32.49 | atoponce | i need to know what is on the schedule for my meet tomorrow |
23:36.02 | Stk | For what? |
23:41.47 | atoponce | oalug |
23:41.59 | atoponce | he said he'd be presenting, but then said he might not |
23:42.04 | atoponce | i need to know one way or the other |
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23:45.23 | RoundyT1 | atoponce, PING! |
23:45.49 | atoponce | atoponce: pong |
23:45.58 | atoponce | :( |
23:46.06 | atoponce | s/(/(/ |
23:46.10 | atoponce | oh brother |
23:46.15 | atoponce | i can't type tonight |
23:46.18 | atoponce | RoundyT1: what's up? |
23:47.48 | RoundyT1 | i got sudoaptget.com |
23:47.49 | RoundyT1 | lol |
23:47.58 | RoundyT1 | so i need to setup wordpress? |
23:48.09 | RoundyT1 | and virt hosts |
23:48.36 | RoundyT1 | don't laugh at the domain name |
23:48.41 | RoundyT1 | i know, its bad |
23:49.09 | atoponce | yeah |
23:49.13 | RoundyT1 | do i need to do some forwarding thing on godaddy.com? or how do i do this? |
23:49.20 | RoundyT1 | how is it setup with my ip? |
23:49.40 | atoponce | in your /etc/apache2/sites-available/ files, you need to change the ip in your files to the domain, and restart apache2 |
23:49.46 | sontek | :O |
23:49.58 | atoponce | yeah. and google too |
23:50.05 | atoponce | right now, though, i'm a bit busy |
23:50.20 | atoponce | i won't be able to walk you through it until later tonight |
23:50.40 | RoundyT1 | sontek, you busy? |
23:52.34 | sontek | RoundyT1: not especially, but I think you should do yourself a favor and _learn_ how to do things for yourself |
23:52.41 | sontek | we can't hold your hand forever =) |
23:54.16 | RoundyT1 | lol working on it |
23:54.16 | RoundyT1 | is there anything i need to change at godaddy.com? |
23:54.29 | sontek | the nameservers |
23:55.02 | sontek | unless godaddy is doing your dns |
23:55.23 | maquis | my eyes are sore |
23:58.09 | RoundyT1 | i am not sure |
23:58.18 | RoundyT1 | how can i tell? |
23:58.39 | RoundyT1 | Name Servers: (Last Update 3/30/2007) |
23:58.39 | RoundyT1 | NS39.DOMAINCONTROL.COM |
23:58.40 | RoundyT1 | NS40.DOMAINCONTROL.COM |