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02:26.48atoponceherlo: ping
02:26.57atoponcei forgot the real reason why i needed you earlier
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03:01.14RoundyT1lol
03:01.37RoundyT1Ever heard of Jamendo?
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04:57.35sontek:D
04:57.40sontekwhats everyone up to?
04:59.34Sir_Brizzgoing to bed :)
04:59.36Sir_Brizzhehe
05:09.04herlosontek: building an lvm on my 500GB drive
05:17.47sontekherlo: nice =)
05:20.32sontekherlo: you doing it in fedora or ubuntu?
05:20.57herlosontek: moving 200G of data between two lvm'd devices
05:20.59herlofedora
05:26.47herlosontek: why?
05:26.50sontekmove some of your data to my lvm!
05:26.57sontekI need more data :D
05:26.58herlosontek: how much you go?
05:27.00herlogot
05:27.04sontek1.2tb
05:27.09herlosontek: 2.2tb
05:27.15herlobut not on this drive
05:27.22herlothat's another file server
05:27.22sontekoh noes, I'm gonna have to go shopping tomorrow
05:27.28herlosontek: haha
05:28.02herlowe've got 7 400GB drives hardware raid5 with lvm on top, total 2.2TB (remember its 2.4TiB
05:28.05herlo)
05:28.16herlostupid marketing people
05:29.53sonteklol
05:29.54herlosontek: is this a penis contest or something?
05:29.58sontekHave anything good? =)
05:30.05herlosontek: plenty
05:30.10sontekherlo: not yet, let me go shopping tomorrow then we'll measure
05:30.19sontek:D
05:37.04herlosontek: pump it up baby, mine is all natural!
05:37.08herlo:-P
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05:43.28thenetduckboom baby
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14:03.53RoundyT1Anyone ever load up PCLinuxOS?
14:04.40RoundyT1holy crap its pretty
14:05.02RoundyT1i almost like the "prettiness" more than ubuntu's prettiness.
14:28.15atoponcefunction over form
14:28.35maquispeople are always saying they don't see how i like evilwm because it's ugly
14:28.53maquisi think it actually looks quite nice, and it does exactly what i need, nothing more, nothing less
14:29.31atoponceRoundyT1: pclinuxos looks just like a standard kde desktop
14:29.52atoponceRoundyT1: you may want to install kubuntu-desktop, and give that a whirl if you like kde
14:30.36atoponcemaquis: agreed. it's all about getting something done, not looking as cool as possible
14:31.07atoponcehowever, desktop effects are fun, as long as they don't get in my way, or take up valuable system resources
14:31.35atoponcethere needs to be balance. but i still prefer function over form
14:32.01atoponce~onjoin Zelut atoponce: ping
14:32.01jbotatoponce: ok
14:32.17atoponcei'm off to work
14:32.47maquisi like the look of the floppy windows, but at the same time, i know i'd never get anything done if i had them set up
14:42.26RoundyT1i don't think i do
14:43.17maquisi just think they're fun :)
14:44.30RoundyT1ya. i was just saying for a windows user if they came straight to KDE -- they would like it better than gnome
14:44.32RoundyT1i tihnk
14:46.08maquispossibly... i wouldn't know
14:46.50maquishttp://xkcd.com/  <-- lol!!!!
14:47.00RoundyT1it just seems extremely like Windows XP setup. I just think people would be like "oh I know what to do here" as apposed to how ubuntu is a bit different setup (though i've never loaded Kubuntu) so i'm not sure.
14:47.28RoundyT1lol
14:47.46RoundyT1"I wonder how it happens every time" duh lol that's great
14:47.58maquis:)
14:48.16maquisRoundyT1: that's what's so great about having options
14:48.23maquishonestly, gnome and kde both don't work for me
14:48.32maquisbut i have a choice, and i don't have to use them if i don't want to
14:50.14RoundyT1http://xkcd.com/c237.html
14:50.46RoundyT1and you use which?
14:54.02maquisRoundyT1: evilwm
14:54.34maquisit manages windows
14:54.47maquiswindows are rectangles with 1-pixel borders around them
14:54.58maquisthey can be moved, and focus can change between them
14:55.06maquiswindows can also be resized
14:55.12maquisother than that, evilwm doesn't do much
14:56.02RoundyT1lol
14:56.11RoundyT1but you like it better? and it runs just fine with Ubuntu?
14:56.59maquisi love evilwm
14:57.04RoundyT1http://xkcd.com/c42.html
14:57.06RoundyT1lol
14:57.13maquisand everything can work fine with ubuntu
14:57.30maquisubuntu is just another linux distro
14:58.24maquisif it can be made to work in gentoo, it can be made to work in ubuntu, and vice versa...
14:58.48maquisit just depends on how much effort you're willing to put in and whether you know how to get things working
14:59.33RoundyT1o
14:59.36RoundyT1kool
14:59.45RoundyT1you have it on a laptop?
15:00.22maquisevilwm?
15:00.22maquisyeah
15:00.29maquisall my boxes have evilwm set up
15:00.46maquisfirst thing i did my first day of work was to switch my work machine to use evilwm instead of gnome
15:00.49maquis:)
15:01.11maquismy laptop doesn't have gnome/kde installed (which is a massive pain to do in ubuntu, btw)
15:03.05maquisRoundyT1: i'm a bit of a hard-core geek...
15:03.32RoundyT1and you're how old?
15:03.33RoundyT1:-D
15:03.38maquisRoundyT1: 22
15:04.00RoundyT1cool cool
15:04.08RoundyT1you can never be too old or too young for computers
15:04.09maquisi just feel rather strongly that the most important thing about linux is the ability to choose
15:04.36maquisthe fact that you prefer kde, someone else prefers gnome, and i prefer evilwm is a great thing
15:04.52maquisbecause linux lets us each have exactly what we want
15:05.08maquiswe're not pigeon-holed into a box
15:05.32maquisRoundyT1: out of curiosity, what do you do? are you a dev, admin, non-computer-job, student, etc?
15:05.55maquisi've found that ubuntu tends to have all types of people more than many other distros do
15:06.39RoundyT1student/IT Manager
15:06.45maquiscool
15:06.52maquisIT manager meaning?
15:07.50RoundyT1Meaning I manage servers at a business take care of people that have CAPS lock on and can't login with their password, phone issues, printer trash, server issues, website design, etc.
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15:10.45maquisRoundyT1: cool
15:11.09RoundyT1<PROTECTED>
15:11.25RoundyT1I'm trying to learn about debian more now cause he has a debian server...
15:11.27maquisthe second half of that sounds more interesting to me, but it doesn't sound all too bad
15:11.27sontekdid you see vista got hacked by an animated cursor?
15:11.47maquissontek: i didn't, but i'm not overly surprised
15:11.53RoundyT1i can't get gnome running on another debian box though....it sucks, (though its probably easy im  a noob)
15:12.13maquisRoundyT1: nothing wrong with being a noob
15:12.23maquisis it giving a specific error? or what?
15:12.27RoundyT1lol just constantly trying to learn
15:12.28maquiswhat happens that it's not working?
15:12.30maquis:)
15:12.34maquisRoundyT1: that's how we all are
15:12.58RoundyT1i loaded gdm and gnome-desktop or something like that and when i type "gnome" nothing happens ... i supposed its not exactly like ubuntu.
15:13.59sontekdo sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
15:14.04sontekand then choose the session gnome
15:14.08sontekor run gnome-session
15:14.15RoundyT1k one sec
15:14.20RoundyT1have to hook up that system
15:19.28RoundyT1why isn't it like ubuntu where you just type "gnome"
15:19.58sontekyou can't do that in ubuntu either?
15:20.03maquisRoundyT1: i'm betting "gnome" is a script that does all the other stuff for you
15:20.18sontekmaquis: Its not, Ubuntu doesn't have 'gnome'
15:20.37RoundyT1oh
15:20.41RoundyT1i thought i have before
15:21.08RoundyT1what the heck, taking an hour to recognize IDE harddrive.
15:21.36maquissontek: ah
15:21.49maquiswell, it would work, if you did that, though
15:22.00maquisso you could hypothetically write a script that would do all the work
15:22.17RoundyT1dang pc its a piece
15:22.22RoundyT1lol
15:24.29RoundyT1there we go, some power issue. weird stuff
15:24.37RoundyT1this powersupply must suck
15:25.13RoundyT1what's an animated cursor? i feel dumb lo
15:27.25RoundyT1and just a note--  the sudo doesnt work, it only works with "su" and /etc/init.d/gdm start says there's no such file/dri
15:28.29RoundyT1weird it says that it wasn't installed...that's way weird...i installed it yesterday
15:30.02maquishmm... is sudo set up by default in debian?  i'm not remembering.  
15:30.17maquisi know ubuntu prefres sudo over su, but a lot of distros don't
15:30.30maquisRoundyT1: what wasn't installed?
15:30.38RoundyT1gdm
15:30.53RoundyT1now it says there's a problem with the X Server.
15:32.53RoundyT1lol guess there's alot more you have to install piece by piece with debian.
15:32.54RoundyT1lol
15:34.11maquisRoundyT1: yes
15:34.20maquisubuntu does everything for you
15:34.23maquiswhich has pros and cons
15:34.45maquisubuntu is designed/setup with the "average" user in mind
15:34.57RoundyT1o
15:35.05maquisso, if you're an average user, you can install ubuntu, and with minimal effort, you're up and running
15:35.25RoundyT1oh dear "please enter the video card's bus identifier...
15:35.26maquisif you aren't an average user (ie, you want to do things differently from ubuntu's expectations), it takes more work
15:35.37maquisRoundyT1: what are you doing?
15:35.40RoundyT1"AGP?"
15:35.47RoundyT1lol setting up Xserver?
15:35.48RoundyT1i think
15:35.52maquisRoundyT1: using what?
15:35.56RoundyT1idk
15:36.08maquiswhat command did you run to get to the tool that you're using?
15:36.31RoundyT1Debian Configuration -- Configuring xserver-xfree86 -- "Please enter...."
15:36.41maquisah
15:36.46RoundyT1i installed that "xserver-xfree86"
15:36.49RoundyT1apt-get
15:37.00RoundyT1lol
15:37.07maquissorry...  i don't generally use distro-specific tools for setup
15:37.57RoundyT1so...do you know what i should do?
15:38.42RoundyT1sontek, ping
15:40.52sontekRoundyT1: you don't have to input the bus number
15:40.53maquisRoundyT1: usually, i just edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file... or, more likely, copy the version that i saved from an earlier distro on that computer, because editing that file can be a massive pain
15:41.15RoundyT1...so just hit enter?
15:41.16maquisRoundyT1: does the repo have xfree and xorg?
15:42.17RoundyT1idk
15:42.26RoundyT1lol i hit enter and it seems like it setup ok
15:42.31RoundyT1im gonna try gdm now
15:43.09sontekRoundyT1: you just grab xorg instead of xfree, its supported in debian now
15:43.22UtahBot[Ubuntuforums] Uengineers - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=397198
15:43.23RoundyT1lol
15:43.25RoundyT1great
15:44.00RoundyT1negative.
15:44.06RoundyT1said it can't find the package.
15:44.06sontekRoundyT1: what version of debian are you running?
15:44.12RoundyT13.1r5
15:44.24RoundyT1that's the latest? right?
15:44.29sontekRoundyT1: did you try searching with aptitude search
15:44.32sontekor apt-get
15:45.25RoundyT1it loads then nothing is found
15:45.38RoundyT1i did "aptitude search xorg"
15:45.46RoundyT1and apt-cache search xorg
15:45.52RoundyT1nothing from boh
15:48.22sontekRoundyT1: is 3.1 "sarge" ?
15:48.55RoundyT1looks like it...though i am not sure
15:48.58sontekI forgot how long it takes debian to release
15:49.07sonteketch has xorg
15:49.25sontekSarge has been out for over 2 years
15:49.32sontekjust upgrade to etch
15:50.20RoundyT13.1r5 is the current release from what i've seen
15:50.22maquissontek: usually about 3 years between debian releases..
15:50.39maquiswhich means that debian released twice since win XP came out
15:52.29sontekmaquis: lol yeah, I'm not saying its a bad thing, I still have a woody server :P
15:53.12maquissontek: i am...
15:53.48sontekmaquis: having a well tested OS is important in production =)
15:53.49maquisi don't like the whole "release cycle" thing
15:53.56maquissontek: sure
15:53.59sontekmaquis: I refuse to run ubuntu on my servers at work
15:54.35maquisbut at the same time, it can be *really* frustrating when you go to the machine and the tools you're used to aren't available because the distro is too old
15:54.39{phoenyx}http://www.thegooglecache.com/rants-and-raves/new-digg-feature-friend-spamming-proof-of-concept/
15:54.53{phoenyx}something to add to your blogs
15:55.29{phoenyx};)
15:57.32sontekI think this whole Ubuntu joke this is ridiculous everyone is over reacting over a pretty funny joke
15:59.51RoundyT1ok so im trying to upgrade via sources and term
16:00.30RoundyT1sontek, why not ubuntu server?
16:01.38sontekRoundyT1: because their server packages are poorly supported
16:01.49RoundyT1what about 6.06
16:01.53RoundyT1? no?
16:01.58RoundyT1so what do you run?
16:02.16sontekRoundyT1: if the package works in 6.06 and they broke it in edgy, even better reason not to use them =)
16:02.26RoundyT1l0ol
16:02.44RoundyT1so do you use a debian server?
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16:03.21maquissontek: what joke?
16:03.49maquissontek: no kidding... ubuntu server can't get upgraded
16:05.10sontekmaquis: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2007-March/003698.html
16:05.25sontekPeople responded with "omgz against CoC!!!"
16:05.33sontekand even Jono Bacon blogged about it
16:05.39sontekI Laughed when I read it
16:06.14RoundyT1maquis, my home server is ubuntu 6.10...don't have any issues with it
16:07.17sontekRoundyT1: you probably don't do to much on it
16:07.27RoundyT1?
16:07.49maquisRoundyT1: did you use the server/minimal install cd?
16:08.04RoundyT1server install cd
16:08.09RoundyT1it has LAMP
16:08.12maquiswhenever i've tried to upgrade my installation on my laptop, it wants to install gnome, etc
16:08.24RoundyT1and that's where my wordpress is running from
16:08.30maquiseven though the reason i used that cd was that i didn't want gnome, open-office, etc., installed
16:08.38sontekLVM? Raid? Print Server? PXE Network install?  Local Source repo? DNS/DHCP/IPtables routing? OpenLDAP auth?
16:08.39maquisso, i haven't been able to use apt-get dist-upgrade
16:09.05RoundyT1sontek, i don't need a personal server to do any of that.
16:09.14sontekthe reason 6.10 works for you is because you probably did sudo aptitude install mysql php apache  and were done =)
16:09.15maquisprinting... *shudder*... why is cups so horridly painful
16:09.16RoundyT1however, i do understand what you're saying
16:09.37maquisRoundyT1: it's not an issue of whether you need your server to do those things
16:09.43maquisit's an issue of learning to do them
16:10.01RoundyT1cause at work debian runs our server...
16:10.10RoundyT1one of.
16:10.25sontekIt can all be done in ubuntu, and I have done it, don't get me wrong, its just painful to go through all the misconfigured packaging
16:10.29RoundyT1I guess there's 3 Windows servers and one debian machine server
16:10.42sontekI shouldn't have to strace half the packages to find out what the maintainers did wrong
16:10.44maquisi ran a webserver hosting a db-driven website for a number of months...
16:10.53sontekI should be able to trust them to give me something that'll work
16:10.53maquison a box that couldn't be seen outside of my dorm-building
16:10.55maquisjust because
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16:11.36RoundyT1have you tried downloading from the U of U?
16:11.41RoundyT1its freakin FAST
16:12.18RoundyT1fastest mirror around here (as its one of the so called "super computers" that started the internet)
16:15.13sontekI actually download faster off of ibilio and osuosl
16:15.29KemotahaRoundyT1, it depends on how you are connected to the internet
16:15.38RoundyT1o
16:15.51KemotahaIf you are connect via the same PNAP it will be fast then if it has to cross the internet
16:16.14RoundyT1well xmission mirrors seem slower to me than U of U and im using comcast
16:16.31KemotahaThat might be true
16:16.55KemotahaRun a traceroute on both connections and I bet the U of U connection with have less hops
16:17.16RoundyT1O i c what you're saying
16:17.42RoundyT1so there's a meeting tomorrow correct ? IRC meeting?
16:18.43RoundyT1guess so
16:23.47atoponceyeah
16:24.01atoponceZelut is leading it
16:24.09RoundyT1colo
16:25.02RoundyT1Is there a plugin that shows what music you're listening to with Amarok?
16:25.38{phoenyx}o
16:25.41{phoenyx}i c
16:25.48maquis~lart {phoenyx}
16:25.48jbotpries {phoenyx}'s back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to {phoenyx}
16:26.02{phoenyx}lol
16:26.33RoundyT1maquis, why?
16:26.45RoundyT1lol
16:26.52maquisRoundyT1: because
16:26.57RoundyT1nice reasoning
16:27.03maquisit's aol-speak
16:27.08RoundyT1or not
16:27.24RoundyT1sry i gtg i will bbl ttyl
16:27.33maquisit's the stuff that people use when they think they're oh-so-cool.
16:27.52{phoenyx}text messaging too
16:27.53atoponceRoundyT1: it's because, on irc, you have a full keyboard, so there is no reason to limit your typing, as opposed to texting on a cell phone
16:28.03RoundyT1or its just stuff to abbreviate cause we're fat americans
16:28.15RoundyT1ohj
16:28.25RoundyT1but LOL is ok?
16:28.27atoponceplus, 1337 speak is annoying anywhere anytime
16:28.35RoundyT1wait a seckond
16:29.14maquisi don't have a problem with lol...  but the rest of it just bugs me
16:29.24RoundyT1haha, that's funny
16:29.27maquis(and don't get me going on the use of "ur" for "your"....
16:29.31RoundyT1interesting to know of thiss
16:29.43RoundyT1i don't like that one.
16:29.52atoponcelol is o.k. *if* there is something *really* funny. abusing lol and omg, etc, is just as annoying
16:29.55RoundyT1i've always corrected people that us that.
16:30.00RoundyT1use that*
16:30.19atoponcebut then, there's 'ttyl', 'imho', 'afaik' that seem ok
16:30.22maquis1337 5pe4|< can be funny when used to make fun of the people who think it's cool
16:30.28atoponceso maybe that's hpyocracy
16:30.31maquisatoponce: agreed
16:30.41RoundyT1haha. nice
16:31.03RoundyT1now im afraid to type lol
16:31.22maquisttyl, i'm not a big fan of, imho and afaik are nice because they say something important, in the middle of a long sentence, without detracting from the important points in the sentence
16:31.33atoponcenah. just don't abuse it, like someone else in another channel that i hang out in
16:31.48RoundyT1oh ok.
16:31.58maquisalthough, since a large percentage of people i work with are not native english speakers, i tend to be careful with all of those things...
16:32.02RoundyT1i think i use it a lot. but i've tried to lay off it a bit
16:32.24atoponcei guess, it's just, type in the channel as you would speak in person.
16:32.36maquismy main vices in IM/IRC conversation are "lol" and "..."
16:32.38RoundyT1yeah, that makes more sense
16:32.43atoponceirc seems to be run by a bunch of 12 year-olds, so, tpying like them doesn't help
16:32.59RoundyT1makes sense
16:33.12maquisatoponce: true, although there are a lot of innocent typos... particularly when it's early morning
16:33.16RoundyT1Is there a plugin that shows what music you're listening to with Amarok?
16:33.19atoponcethe one thing that i absolutely can *NOT* stand is: ;)
16:33.23maquis(which, most of my teammates would probably consider this point in the day)
16:33.29maquisatoponce: :) or ;)?
16:33.33atoponce;)
16:33.37atoponcewhy wink?
16:33.40maquisi use :) a lot, but i only use ;) if i miss the shift key
16:33.48{phoenyx}like I did earlier?
16:33.48RoundyT1ha.
16:33.50{phoenyx}hmm
16:34.04atoponceto me, ;) says 'hey sexy', and that's not something that i want to see on irc. definitely coming from another guy
16:34.08RoundyT1what kind of music does everyone like?
16:34.33{phoenyx}RoundyT1: depends on the context
16:34.39RoundyT1really?
16:34.50{phoenyx}RoundyT1: I like stuff without words when I'm coding
16:34.56atoponceRoundyT1: mainly jazz. but i'm pretty versatile. country and rap/hiphop are flat out
16:35.35RoundyT1ha.
16:35.38atoponce*phew* :)
16:35.45RoundyT1I like everything but country i think
16:35.56RoundyT1Listening to Incubus right now...amazing stuff
16:36.15RoundyT1has anyone (asked this yesterday) ever heard of Jamendo?
16:36.20atoponceRoundyT1: a word of caution for xchat plugins:
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16:36.37atoponceRoundyT1: avoid anything that adds 'noise' to the channel. most irc channels don't like it
16:36.56RoundyT1ya, figured that out when i was posting my output or whatever in the channel
16:36.57RoundyT1lol
16:36.59findlaymikearagua: did you get my resume that I posted in a PM ate Tuesday evening?
16:37.13atoponceRoundyT1: this includes auto-away scripts, sysinfo scripts, listening-to scripts, etc
16:37.19RoundyT1ok
16:37.23RoundyT1cool
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16:38.24RoundyT1Today we have atoponce on the show with "Internet Etiquette"
16:38.48RoundyT1i dont know how to etiguettacy
16:38.50RoundyT1or whatever
16:38.52RoundyT1wow.
16:39.04RoundyT1etiquettacy*
16:39.17atoponcei'm just saying
16:39.25RoundyT1its cool, im learngin
16:40.14findlayintentionally flooding an IRC channel with information that is non essential is considered rude
16:40.21RoundyT1so i was bored last night and my girlfriend has some Albuterol ? and i sprayed it in my mouth, my gosh, i almost threw up
16:40.42findlayif you've ever been in a busy channel (150+ nics) that's always busy you know what I'm talking about
16:41.10RoundyT1ya.
16:41.14atoponcefindlay: just nics and not nicks?
16:41.28RoundyT1?
16:41.29findlayatoponce: heh, I guess I'm not spelling well this morning
16:41.31atoponcenics would probably produce the same results
16:41.39RoundyT1its cold.
16:41.48findlaytnetwork interface cards
16:42.10atoponceone nick is probably connected with one nic, so the result in the channel, would theoretically be the same
16:43.10findlayatoponce: if you had an irssi sidebar you could do away with join and part info
16:43.22findlayat least that's something I'd like to try out
16:43.25mikearaguafindlay: see PMs
16:43.42findlaymikearagua: which PMs?
16:44.04atoponcefindlay: you can redirect your joins/parts/quits to another window, like the status window, for example
16:44.24RoundyT1so does anyone own and ubuntu books?
16:45.39RoundyT1any*
16:49.17findlayatoponce: so do you not like the sidebar idea?
16:50.04atoponcethe sidebar works, but if you're going to implement something like that, then a functional nicklist should be the 1st priority
16:50.42findlaythat was the only thing I was thinking of using it for, kind of like the xchat interface
16:51.25atoponcei haven't used xchat in a *long* time
16:52.06findlayI guess all gui irc clients would have a nick list of some sort
16:53.04atoponcei think all do. it's the text-based ones that don't, except for weechat
16:53.16atoponcebrb
16:59.52sontekIt'd be easy to implement a decent nicklist interface with the nicklist.pl script and some ncurses
17:05.17burn_onerirsi with nicklist.pl is great.
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17:27.14atoponcenicklist is just too hackish
17:27.27atoponceweechat did it right building it in
17:29.28sontekas much as I'd love to hack on some c code and implement the nicklist, ncurses + nicklist.pl = easy =)
17:32.14burn_oneri agree.
17:34.19maquis*YAW*
17:34.21maquisN
17:35.33RoundyT1Gnomechat has one but i dont like it....its based off X-chat...and from what i loaded...its crap
17:36.02sontekRoundyT1: checkout x-chat or irssi's gtk version
17:36.20burn_onerbah. irssi in screen is best.
17:36.53maquisburn_oner: agreed
17:37.02sontekEverything should be developed as a daemon
17:37.18sontekso then we could run our CLI irssi in screen but also connect a gtk interface to it if we wanted
17:37.39burn_onerThat is a very good idea.
17:39.23{phoenyx}scottymuse: you can live in a tent in sugarhouse park.  Kim and I would feed you.
17:43.54sontek/bin/sh: cowsay: not found
17:43.59sontek:(
17:44.31sontekthat should be default on server install! ;)
17:45.25RoundyT1sontek, i use x-chat .... is irrssi"s gtk version better?
17:45.40sontekRoundyT1: never used it, but I bet it is =)
17:46.10RoundyT1why do you assume so?
17:47.17sontekRoundyT1: Because the irssi developers are good at what they do
17:47.23RoundyT1lkol
17:47.35RoundyT1what are they exactly? :(
18:17.16maquis?
18:18.55atoponcesontek: check out irssi_proxy
18:18.55atoponceuse irssi as a bouncer for other irc clients
18:18.55atoponceworks well
18:21.05atoponcebip is a great bouncer also
18:21.16atoponcefor any irc proxy/client setup
18:29.24atoponce<PROTECTED>
18:34.08RoundyT1what is irssi?
18:34.23atoponcethe irc client of the future
18:36.33burn_onerRoundyT1: say irc out loud while looking at the work irssi.
18:36.34maquisatoponce: :)
18:51.55RoundyT1omg
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18:57.05alex__hey cool
18:57.24RoundyT1That's weird
18:57.41RoundyT1i like irssi
18:58.42burn_onerso do I
18:58.59RoundyT1how do i switch between connected channels?
18:59.11burn_onermeta-#
18:59.20burn_oneraka alt-#
18:59.31burn_oneror esc-#
18:59.34maquisor escape #
19:00.32burn_oneri would get some pluging for it as well
19:00.41RoundyT1not working?
19:01.07burn_onerlike trackbar.pl nicklist.pl rainbow.pl wlstat.pl
19:01.10sontekatoponce: I don't want a bouncer, I want to connect to irc through a daemon, join the channels, and then be able to connect interfaces that read the daemons output =)
19:01.37burn_onersontek: is there such an applet?
19:01.43sontekburn_oner: not yet
19:02.15sonteki'm writing a torrent library like that right now (which is what made me think of it)
19:02.36sontekbut I just read that in the next version of irssi there will be vertical splits supported
19:02.40sontekthen the nicklist thing will be easy
19:02.46burn_oneryou know this channel is awesome. So much better then the other channel I hung out at.
19:53.51atoponceburn_oner: where you at? florida?
19:54.56atoponcewe rock as a team, even if maquis is in seattle (hint hint maquis), but i think there is a pretty rockin team in fl
19:57.01sontekyeah we are the bestest(tm) LoCo team
19:59.37burn_onerno slc, ut
19:59.44atoponceahh. cool
19:59.48atoponceeven better! :)
19:59.51burn_onerbah
20:00.13burn_onerwhere you at?
20:00.15atoponcei just noticed that your ip is in fl, so that's why i asked
20:00.48atoponcei live in ogden, but work in slc
20:00.57burn_onerthat is just the server i use for screen irssi
20:01.07burn_onerewwwwww
20:01.53atoponceso, i'm curious now, what other channel did you hang out in?
20:01.53burn_onerlolutah
20:02.03atoponce#utah?
20:02.36burn_onerno. #lolutah formarly know as #utrave
20:03.00atoponceoh. interesting
20:03.16atoponcewhat is that channel like?
20:03.52burn_onerjust a bunch of ex raves and techs with a little drama
20:03.59burn_onerexravers*
20:04.39atoponcei would imagine that it's run by a bunch of immature teens high on ectasy, no? :)
20:05.36burn_onernot really. We moved away from #utrave because people in there no longer rave.
20:05.53RoundyT1sontek, Ping
20:06.33RoundyT1nevermind.
20:06.42RoundyT1that's cool etch automatically installs gnome
20:07.01burn_oner0.o
20:07.29RoundyT13.1r5 doesnt
20:07.47atoponce?
20:07.53RoundyT1debian?
20:07.55atoponcedebian has always installed gnome
20:08.05atoponcewell,
20:08.16RoundyT13.1r5 doesnt auto install it
20:08.20atoponcethat is *if* you select the desktop environment when installing
20:08.36RoundyT1i did...and still didn't work
20:08.42atoponceif you select just server, or to select the packages you want installed, of course you wont get it
20:08.46RoundyT1maybe something went wrong. etch works fine though
20:10.16RoundyT1or maybe i accidentally hit something to change it on install? idk
20:10.18RoundyT1lol
20:10.36atoponcebut, if you select the 'desktop environment', you'll get it. if not, then something went wrong
20:12.22RoundyT1k i assume something did go wrong then
20:12.37atoponcejust 'sudo apt-get gnome' then
20:12.49atoponces/sudo apt-get/aptitude/
20:13.07atoponcei can't believe i told someone to apt-get. what's wrong with me?
20:15.03RoundyT1what's the difference between iceweasel and firefox?
20:15.12RoundyT1name?
20:15.16atoponceiceweasel is a firefox fork
20:15.30atoponcefor the gnuzilla suite
20:15.32RoundyT1better? worse?
20:15.40atoponcemeh. depends, i guess
20:15.52RoundyT1seems identical so far
20:16.01atoponcemozilla won't let debian have firefox unless they use the trademarked logo
20:16.10RoundyT1but i know the options are difference
20:16.13RoundyT1different*
20:16.18atoponcedebian won't use the trademarked logo, as it's non-free according to the dfsg
20:16.33RoundyT1Oh I see.
20:17.02atoponceso, they took the code, changed the name, created a new logo, and also forked it, making some patches that mozilla won't take
20:17.19atoponcemozilla won't take patches upstream
20:17.49RoundyT1*forked*?
20:18.59atoponceyeah. they changed the code-base
20:19.05RoundyT1o i c
20:19.07RoundyT1dangit
20:19.12RoundyT1I need to watch that
20:19.14atoponceit's now an entirely different app than firefox
20:19.27RoundyT1I see I see.
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20:44.50sontekis the max for micro sd 2gb?
20:50.00burn_oneri think so
20:50.28burn_onerno i am wrong
20:50.43burn_oner4gig is the current size
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21:34.10atoponceherlo: ping
21:40.23sontekatoponce: I tried that earlier! It doesn't work!
21:40.30sontekherlo is ignoring us!
21:40.43atoponceyeah. and zelut hasn't logged in once today
21:44.32sontekthey must be working them hard today =)
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21:45.42atoponcesomething.
21:46.02atoponcesontek: so, you ready for the league to start in 2 days?
21:48.30sontekatoponce: yeah, Katie and I are going to get 24 hour fitness memberships tonight =)
21:48.43atoponcesontek: sweet! where at?
21:48.58atoponcei mean, which location?
21:49.08sontekThe one on 7th downtown slc
21:49.13sonteknext to trolley
21:49.17atoponceahh. trolley corners?
21:49.18atoponcecool
21:49.23maquisleague?
21:49.54atoponcemaquis: yeah. we're members of a elite workout group of total fitness competition. :)
21:50.53sontek:D
21:51.11sonteki'm gonna eat nothing but mcdonalds until the league starts!
21:51.29atoponcei had wendy's today
21:51.33atoponceand i feel it
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22:20.50[phoenyx1the web looks kinda different when you've changed your useragent to "googlebot" :)
22:23.01maquis[phoenyx]: what changes?
22:24.44atoponce[phoenyx]: check pm
22:24.51atoponce[phoenyx1: check pm
22:26.06{phoenyx}less ads
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22:27.02dannybunkinsanybody therte?
22:27.06dannybunkinsthere?
22:27.09atoponceyeah
22:27.16dannybunkinscool
22:27.26dannybunkinsso what is this ubuntu utah team thing all about?
22:27.51atoponcespreading ubuntu througout the great state of utah
22:27.58dannybunkinshmm interesting
22:28.41atoponcedannybunkins: where are you located? slc?
22:28.56dannybunkinsright now i am in taylorsville but i usually am in orem
22:29.00atoponcecool
22:29.06dannybunkinswhere are you?
22:29.10atoponcehow long have you been at ubuntu?
22:29.13dannybunkinshmm
22:29.14atoponcei live in ogden
22:29.19dannybunkinsoh cool
22:29.41dannybunkinsive been using ubuntu for almost a year, but ive been using linux almost exclusively since 2003 i think
22:29.51atoponcecool. so windows
22:29.54atoponce-free, eh
22:29.56atoponcebah
22:30.05atoponcestupid <enter> key
22:30.27dannybunkinsim gonna say 95% windows free
22:30.28atoponceso, how did you find the channel
22:30.41dannybunkinslooking on the ubuntu-utah page
22:31.01atoponceahh. cool. so, you're aware of the mailing list, and launchpad page, and forums, and all tha crap? :)
22:31.01dannybunkinsalways on the lookout for my brothers in linux
22:31.06atoponcesweet
22:31.20dannybunkinsyeah i applied to be a member but the admins apparently have not check it for a while
22:31.23dannybunkinsnot been inducted yet
22:31.30dannybunkinsofficially anywa
22:31.32dannybunkinsy
22:31.59atoponceon the mailing list?
22:32.29dannybunkinsnot yet, i guess i should subscribe
22:33.00atoponceso what did you apply to be a member of?
22:33.12dannybunkinsutah ubuntu team on the launpad page
22:33.19atoponceahh
22:33.24atoponceok. cool
22:33.29atoponcei'll bug christer about that
22:33.39dannybunkinsk
22:33.49sontekI'm going to apply for membership when my karma gets to 200 on launchpad :P
22:33.55dannybunkinsso what do you do for work and what drew you to linux initially?
22:34.33dannybunkinshow do you increase your karma?
22:34.46atoponcesontek: take a look at my karma. you'll see that's a silly argument
22:35.02atoponcedannybunkins: i'm a web dev for a startup company
22:35.02sontekatoponce: yeah but you do other stuff! :P
22:35.18dannybunkinsah cool
22:35.30dannybunkinsany links to your stuff?
22:35.46dannybunkinsi like to consider myself a semi-skilled amateur
22:35.53dannybunkinslike to look at other peoples stuff
22:35.58atoponcehttp://introplay.com
22:36.03atoponcenot released yet, but working on it
22:36.11atoponceshould be in 1 month, actually. :)
22:36.39dannybunkinsah cool
22:36.57dannybunkinsfrom skimming the "about us" it looks like a pretty good idea
22:38.28maquisdannybunkins: hello
22:38.52dannybunkinshello
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23:00.34{phoenyx}time to head home
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23:04.00maquisno fair
23:05.16herlomaquis: you can go home anytime....
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23:06.09atoponceherlo: so, what's the plan for tomorrow for oalug?
23:06.16StkHey
23:06.22maquisherlo: kind-of...  but i've got work to get done
23:07.03atoponceStk: hey. what's up?
23:07.24atoponceStk: showing off with your blackberry again?
23:07.24herlomaquis: nice...
23:08.19StkHerlo i had to head put but u can talk to me on here or gtalk
23:08.30maquishrm...
23:08.37maquisnow that's an interesting idea...
23:08.53maquisi want to scroll on one window while typing into another
23:08.59maquisbut i can't have dual focus like that
23:09.48atoponcemaquis: you can in linux
23:09.54StkAtoponce my berry is amazing
23:10.01maquisatoponce: really? how?
23:10.17maquisatoponce: and i'm guessing doing it between linux and windows over synergy is probably out of the question
23:10.25atoponcemaquis: just have the one your typing in focused, and hover your mouse over the window you want to scroll and scroll
23:10.30atoponceahh
23:10.41maquisatoponce: oh
23:10.44maquisi do sloppy focus
23:10.54atoponceyeah. well, Windows isn't smart enough to know how to scroll an unfocused window-
23:14.24atoponceherlo: you there?
23:23.57StkWe should have biweekly meetings
23:26.10StkPeer killed herlo
23:32.25atoponceugh
23:32.36atoponcei *really* need herlo to get on board with this
23:32.49atoponcei need to know what is on the schedule for my meet tomorrow
23:36.02StkFor what?
23:41.47atoponceoalug
23:41.59atoponcehe said he'd be presenting, but then said he might not
23:42.04atoponcei need to know one way or the other
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23:45.23RoundyT1atoponce, PING!
23:45.49atoponceatoponce: pong
23:45.58atoponce:(
23:46.06atoponces/(/(/
23:46.10atoponceoh brother
23:46.15atoponcei can't type tonight
23:46.18atoponceRoundyT1: what's up?
23:47.48RoundyT1i got sudoaptget.com
23:47.49RoundyT1lol
23:47.58RoundyT1so i need to setup wordpress?
23:48.09RoundyT1and virt hosts
23:48.36RoundyT1don't laugh at the domain name
23:48.41RoundyT1i know, its bad
23:49.09atoponceyeah
23:49.13RoundyT1do i need to do some forwarding thing on godaddy.com? or how do i do this?
23:49.20RoundyT1how is it setup with my ip?
23:49.40atoponcein your /etc/apache2/sites-available/ files, you need to change the ip in your files to the domain, and restart apache2
23:49.46sontek:O
23:49.58atoponceyeah. and google too
23:50.05atoponceright now, though, i'm a bit busy
23:50.20atoponcei won't be able to walk you through it until later tonight
23:50.40RoundyT1sontek,  you busy?
23:52.34sontekRoundyT1: not especially, but I think you should do yourself a favor and _learn_ how to do things for yourself
23:52.41sontekwe can't hold your hand forever =)
23:54.16RoundyT1lol working on it
23:54.16RoundyT1is there anything i need to change at godaddy.com?
23:54.29sontekthe nameservers
23:55.02sontekunless godaddy is doing your dns
23:55.23maquismy eyes are sore
23:58.09RoundyT1i am not sure
23:58.18RoundyT1how can i tell?
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