| 00:06.29 | Heartsbane | Shoot us the URL when your done Zelut I would be interested to read it |
| 00:07.48 | Zelut | Heartsbane: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/04/16/update-securing-synergy-over-the-wire/ |
| 00:11.49 | Zelut | It isn't really a huge deal as synergy doesn't go out over the WAN but its still not a bad idea on a LAN. |
| 00:11.58 | Zelut | who knows what snoopy sysadmins might be doing |
| 00:13.00 | Heartsbane | so then synergy would be encrypted? |
| 00:13.35 | Zelut | if you tunnel it over ssh as in the tutorial it will be encrypted, yes. |
| 00:13.47 | Heartsbane | interesting |
| 00:13.54 | Heartsbane | I think I would try this |
| 00:14.09 | Heartsbane | or will |
| 00:14.13 | Heartsbane | try this |
| 00:14.19 | Zelut | I've been using synergy for a year and never thought about doing that.. I'm glad I got that figured out today. |
| 00:23.46 | Zelut | mainly I'm glad I found something worthwhile to blog about. I've been in a dry spell. |
| 00:53.31 | Zelut | atoponce: do you happen to remember the command to squelch the root notices from bitlbee? |
| 00:56.30 | Zelut | brb |
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| 03:06.22 | atoponce | Zelut: you don't want to see the activity stuff in the root window? |
| 03:06.26 | atoponce | it's simple irssi |
| 03:06.31 | atoponce | just use /ignore |
| 03:06.35 | atoponce | /help ignore |
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| 05:54.59 | maquis | gah |
| 05:55.06 | maquis | http://www.tuxgirl.com/archive.php?id=31 <-- why so much spam???? |
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| 12:27.25 | atoponce | Zelut: see that ubuntu live registration is open? |
| 12:30.52 | atoponce | they have pricing, and i'm not so sure about going now... |
| 12:31.01 | atoponce | http://www.ubuntulive.com/pub/w/60/pricing.html |
| 12:32.01 | atoponce | 65% off with student ID and class schedule |
| 13:54.36 | Zelut | Hmm.. that'll put Cat's registration cheaper. |
| 14:03.31 | Zelut | apparently many people don't realize that you don't *have* to tunnel ssh through localhost. |
| 14:03.38 | Zelut | nobody is understanding my blog post. |
| 14:15.35 | Zelut | ..unless I'm just not understanding it, but that'd surprise me. |
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| 14:39.45 | maquis | hmm... my computer's lost |
| 14:39.49 | maquis | it can't find itself |
| 14:41.39 | Zelut | that sucks |
| 14:49.16 | Zelut | hmm |
| 14:52.33 | sontek | install snmp, that'll help! |
| 14:58.50 | maquis | wow... that rocks... dns is *hosed* |
| 14:59.41 | sontek | oh noes! |
| 14:59.52 | sontek | we use netbios here |
| 15:09.57 | maquis | ~seen redbeard1 |
| 15:10.41 | jbot | redbeard1 <n=redbeard@pollux.northsky.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu-utah, 5d 23h 31m 23s ago, saying: 'Zelut: usenet is the way to be.'. |
| 15:12.44 | maquis | ~seen redbeard2 |
| 15:12.54 | jbot | redbeard2 <n=redbeard@c-67-161-242-51.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 1d 45m 42s ago, saying: 'you can fart at ibot too if you want'. |
| 15:15.08 | Zelut | herlo: ping |
| 15:20.38 | maquis | Zelut: how's it going today? |
| 15:20.46 | Zelut | pretty good |
| 15:23.44 | herlo | Zelut: pong |
| 15:24.49 | Zelut | herlo: wondering why I could still keep up this ssh connection after you killed masquerade & even DROP'd me |
| 15:34.04 | herlo | Zelut: ssh doesn't send packets every second or anything, and I believe it will persist as long as you don't send too much data |
| 15:34.36 | Zelut | hmm.. that got me curious because this persisted even though web traffic did not. |
| 15:36.15 | herlo | because web traffic requires an immediate response, ssh doesn't |
| 15:48.35 | atoponce | hmmm. tomboy 0.6.3... |
| 15:48.36 | atoponce | nice |
| 15:49.02 | Zelut | atoponce: when're you going to upgrade? waiting for final again? |
| 15:49.22 | atoponce | i'll probably upgrade 2 weeks after release |
| 15:56.34 | Zelut | herlo: PM |
| 15:57.19 | herlo | Zelut: I don't see it |
| 16:04.34 | atoponce | Zelut: herlo: maquis: you're all getting an email from me here shortly (savenetradio.org) |
| 16:04.58 | herlo | atoponce: ok |
| 16:09.20 | maquis | atoponce: cool |
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| 16:35.05 | atoponce | herlo: would you mind unsubscribing me to the UTOS mailing list? the spam to mail ratio is too high |
| 16:49.30 | maquis | atoponce: does dilvie know about this? |
| 16:49.37 | atoponce | not sure |
| 16:49.48 | atoponce | is he in #utah? |
| 16:49.55 | atoponce | or do you know his email address? |
| 16:50.38 | maquis | atoponce: he should be in #utah (or is on occasion) |
| 16:50.57 | maquis | he's a music artist and has some pretty good work |
| 16:51.14 | maquis | he also runs knobtweakers.net |
| 16:51.54 | atoponce | yeah. i've listened to some of his stuff |
| 16:52.06 | atoponce | because he's in the industry, so to speak, i bet he is aware of it |
| 16:52.50 | burnthegreat | morning guys |
| 16:53.08 | [phoenyx] | morning |
| 17:00.52 | atoponce | why does debian have to make things to blasted difficult? |
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| 17:30.16 | [phoenyx] | atoponce: to keep the riffraff users away and preserve their distro purity? ;) |
| 17:30.34 | atoponce | well, here's my issue: |
| 17:31.01 | atoponce | i want to install mozialla-firefox, *not* iceweasel, as iceweasel is not compatible with an extension |
| 17:31.34 | atoponce | so, when i 'sudo aptitude purge iceweasel' and 'sudo aptidue install mozilla-firefox', even with the non-free repo, i expect to get it |
| 17:31.44 | atoponce | so, when iceweasel is installed, i get angry |
| 17:31.53 | atoponce | NO, I DO NOT WANT ICEWEASEL! |
| 17:31.58 | atoponce | i want firefox |
| 17:32.33 | atoponce | and it doesn't matter what i do, i can't get around their love for iceweasel |
| 17:32.38 | atoponce | so, screw em |
| 17:33.01 | atoponce | when feisty is released on thurs, i'm coming in early to backup everything, and remove debian, and install ubuntu |
| 17:33.29 | atoponce | debian is just becoming a thorn in my side |
| 17:39.26 | maquis | atoponce: :) |
| 17:41.05 | [phoenyx] | atoponce: iceweasel is the path of the righteous, firefox is the path of the sinner. |
| 17:41.45 | atoponce | [phoenyx]: well, i guess i'm a sinner. send me to hell. if increasing my productivity means sinning, then i'm a *very* wiked man. :) |
| 17:44.42 | [phoenyx] | herlo: we (my wife and I) want to get some new games to play with the in-laws when they come out to visit. any recommendations? |
| 17:48.06 | maquis | [phoenyx]: board games? |
| 17:48.21 | [phoenyx] | yeah |
| 17:48.28 | maquis | i know some people who have some really unusual/rare board games |
| 17:48.32 | maquis | i find those to be the most interesting |
| 17:49.34 | maquis | if you can find a store that specializes in board games and such, that's the place to go |
| 17:49.48 | maquis | we used to have a store out here in seattle called "turn off the tv"... |
| 17:50.01 | maquis | they were really great, but they shut down, unfortunately |
| 17:50.17 | maquis | iirc, the malls in provo had similar types of stores, though |
| 17:50.27 | maquis | they weren't quite as big, but they looked likely to have some cool games |
| 17:50.38 | maquis | or you could try someplace like *cough* amazon *cough* |
| 17:50.41 | [phoenyx] | there is a good one down the street from where I live, that specializes in european/strategy games |
| 17:54.56 | [phoenyx] | maquis: what games do you like? |
| 18:05.14 | maquis | [phoenyx]: there was some really good one i saw one night where everybody tries to answer a numeric question, then everybody bets on what they thing the closest answer that doesn't go over is |
| 18:05.21 | maquis | that was a lot of fun |
| 18:06.16 | maquis | there was also one where you are a penguin and you try to capture more fish than your opponents |
| 18:06.31 | maquis | (the guy who brought these games to a game night works for m$, so i gave him a hard time about having a penguin game... :) |
| 18:09.04 | Zelut | atoponce: I thought ubuntu wouldn't install for you |
| 18:09.29 | maquis | [phoenyx]: sorry... i don't remember the name of it :) |
| 18:09.32 | maquis | or the other one |
| 18:09.37 | maquis | but there are lots of really random games |
| 18:09.52 | maquis | ooh... the other good one is the MAD Magazine board game... but i think it's impossible to find |
| 18:10.03 | [phoenyx] | my parents have it |
| 18:10.20 | atoponce | Zelut: it's the sata drivers in edgy that don't work |
| 18:10.43 | atoponce | Zelut: if ubuntu grabs from testing, then feisty should have the ones that debian used to work |
| 18:23.57 | Zelut | that must be why my server went to crap when I upgraded to Feisty alpha.. it has the sata card & drive. |
| 18:26.45 | Zelut | if someone can point me to instructions on using TLS auth for relay_host in postfix I'll be really grateful. |
| 18:27.26 | maquis | Zelut: are you trying to get gmail to play nicely with postfix? |
| 18:27.41 | maquis | or something along those lines? |
| 18:28.17 | Zelut | maquis: I'm trying to get my local machine to use postfix for outgoing and use TLS auth so I can use them for a relay_host. |
| 18:33.36 | maquis | Zelut: dunno |
| 18:33.58 | maquis | i think gmail requires the same type of thing to connect with mutt |
| 18:34.11 | maquis | and i remember something about certain versions of postfix not supporting TLS |
| 18:34.28 | maquis | and you have to compile-in tls support, which isn't the default for some silly reason |
| 18:42.02 | Zelut | I've got mutt to work with gmail & imap simply enough, but outgoing still goes out of postfix which isn't AUTHing to xmission.. |
| 18:42.20 | Zelut | I'm not sure how to tell mutt to smtp thru another host such as gmail.. |
| 18:47.47 | Zelut | I mean I could just send out straight from my box but I've found without relay_host some domains won't accept it. |
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| 19:27.51 | bkingx | atoponce: Any chance you will be in the CC meeting today? The Team is up for Membership as well and we could sure use some cheerleaders! |
| 19:32.50 | herlo | [phoenyx]: do they like strategy games? |
| 19:45.59 | [phoenyx] | herlo: I do |
| 19:47.54 | [phoenyx] | herlo: err, they do |
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| 20:19.22 | [phoenyx] | ~poke scottymuse |
| 20:19.34 | jbot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind scottymuse, pokes scottymuse repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 20:22.46 | maquis | GAH!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:24.40 | maquis | [phoenyx]: sorry |
| 20:24.51 | maquis | just dealing with some annoyances at the moment |
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| 21:37.49 | opapo | I have umask set to 002 in the .profile file, but when users sftp files they have 644 as their permissions |
| 21:38.08 | opapo | How do I get sftp to umask the way I want it to? |
| 21:39.35 | tapH20guru | it's a non-interactive login... so it doesn't read your .profile |
| 21:40.10 | opapo | Is there a setting somewhere I can set the umask for ssh? |
| 21:40.18 | opapo | sftp? |
| 21:41.25 | tapH20guru | in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 21:41.34 | Zelut | are you using vsftpd? |
| 21:41.48 | Zelut | I should read the whole message first huh |
| 21:42.16 | Zelut | that service should have its own perm settings |
| 21:42.29 | tapH20guru | In the sshd_config use "UseLogin yes" so it will read the .profile |
| 21:42.41 | tapH20guru | it make it an interactive login |
| 21:43.27 | tapH20guru | or set SftpUmask |
| 21:43.46 | opapo | I have users using WinSCP and I don't want them to do anything different than they are currently doing. |
| 21:44.57 | opapo | I did man on sshd_config and can't find SftpUmask |
| 21:45.55 | tapH20guru | my bad.... that's a BSD config |
| 21:46.05 | opapo | ok |
| 21:46.24 | opapo | when you say interactive login how interactive is it? |
| 21:47.20 | opapo | They are putting in their credentials to WinSCP, would they need to put in their credentials any more with an interactive login? |
| 21:47.58 | opapo | Zelut: I have heard a lot about vsftpd and am interested in implementing that along with rssh |
| 21:48.33 | Zelut | vsftp takes about 2min to setup |
| 21:49.09 | opapo | Zelut: I am using openSSH on a Fedora box and have current users. If I change on them will they notice anything? |
| 21:49.16 | opapo | What about the ssh keys |
| 21:49.19 | tapH20guru | opapo: UseLogin yes didn't work? |
| 21:49.39 | opapo | tapH2Oguru: thanks |
| 21:49.40 | Zelut | well vsftp isn't the same as sftp or ssh. |
| 21:49.51 | opapo | ok |
| 21:50.15 | Zelut | its more secure than ftp but it still isn't ssh encrypted secure |
| 21:51.02 | opapo | so is openssh better for encrypted file transfers? |
| 21:52.34 | tapH20guru | it's a different protocol... not like SSH |
| 21:52.53 | tapH20guru | i don't think your users keys would work in vsftp |
| 21:53.01 | Zelut | they wont |
| 21:53.04 | tapH20guru | it's encrypted FTP... not SSH |
| 21:54.38 | opapo | Thanks |
| 21:55.16 | opapo | Back to the original question is there a way for sftp to have a modified umask? |
| 21:56.40 | Zelut | man sftp does have a mention of umask setting. have you looked at that? |
| 21:56.49 | opapo | yes |
| 21:56.55 | opapo | and ssh_config |
| 21:57.08 | opapo | sorry, just ssh and sshd_config |
| 21:58.07 | opapo | Zelut: that is for the interactive mode. |
| 21:58.24 | opapo | will that work for WinSCP though? |
| 21:58.36 | tapH20guru | yeah it should |
| 21:58.59 | tapH20guru | edit the sshd_config and bounce the sshd daemon |
| 21:59.18 | opapo | ??? |
| 21:59.38 | tapH20guru | sorry... change it to interactive mode |
| 21:59.52 | tapH20guru | "UseLogin yes" |
| 22:00.00 | opapo | ok |
| 22:00.30 | opapo | lumask is the command for sftp in interactive mode |
| 22:00.50 | opapo | and that is the only mention of umask in sftp |
| 22:01.10 | opapo | I can't have my users have an interactive command line |
| 22:01.29 | opapo | They need to drag and drop local files to the server |
| 22:01.44 | tapH20guru | no... by switching to "UseLogin yes" in your conf... it will run your .profile and your umask command |
| 22:01.54 | tapH20guru | when you connect with WinSCP |
| 22:01.55 | opapo | oh |
| 22:02.08 | Heartsbane | Where is Roundy when you need a laugh |
| 22:02.15 | Zelut | lol |
| 22:03.01 | Heartsbane | I think my 2.4.30 Debian box is at the end of its life |
| 22:03.18 | Heartsbane | Yay Ubuntu 7.04 will put into use |
| 22:03.18 | opapo | tapH2Oguru: I'm sorry, your last post on UseLogin yes I thought was a statement not a question. |
| 22:03.36 | opapo | I will check "UseLogin yes" |
| 22:03.40 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 22:03.42 | tapH20guru | ok |
| 22:03.58 | tapH20guru | that will run anything you put in your shell's profile |
| 22:04.34 | opapo | and if there is no user profile it will grab information from the global profile right? |
| 22:05.32 | tapH20guru | right |
| 22:05.33 | tapH20guru | /etc/profile |
| 22:05.51 | opapo | I feel better now |
| 22:05.56 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 22:06.05 | opapo | Thanks for the help and sorry for the confusion |
| 22:06.37 | atoponce | Zelut: ping |
| 22:06.44 | Zelut | atoponce: pong |
| 22:06.44 | opapo | I did change sshd_config and checked it and I believe it worked. |
| 22:06.45 | tapH20guru | np |
| 22:07.10 | atoponce | Zelut: any rsvp for the feisty party? i have 3, excluding me and my wife, i think |
| 22:07.17 | atoponce | nothing on food, though |
| 22:07.28 | Zelut | we've got two others so far |
| 22:07.52 | Zelut | sounds like people are tentative considering final may not actually be released on time. |
| 22:08.10 | atoponce | the final might be late? where'd you hear that? |
| 22:08.39 | atoponce | that's not good |
| 22:13.59 | opapo | Someone I know might be coming up |
| 22:14.15 | opapo | I just told him about it today and I don't know if he can make it |
| 22:24.17 | Zelut | I've heard it a few places now.. |
| 22:24.29 | Zelut | notice RC1 was supposed to be released last thur and has yet to be. |
| 22:24.51 | Zelut | ..and I forwarded that email this morning to the list about helping squash some bugs found in the kernel. |
| 22:25.05 | Zelut | I'm keeping my fingers crossed but I'm not holding my breath. |
| 22:26.30 | tapH20guru | get testing :) http://www.ubuntunews.info/help-testing-feisty |
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| 22:27.23 | clutchm1 | can anyone help me out for a sec? |
| 22:28.13 | maquis | clutchm1: maybe |
| 22:28.15 | tapH20guru | clutchm1: shoot |
| 22:28.44 | clutchm1 | I am helping my dad over the phone with a 32bit install |
| 22:29.27 | clutchm1 | he has installed just fine but when he loads ubuntu his trackball won't work but it did with the live cd |
| 22:29.53 | clutchm1 | he also is using a kvm switch, could that be the problem |
| 22:30.27 | tapH20guru | it's be worth it to try and plug it in directly |
| 22:30.28 | Heartsbane | HAHAHA HA |
| 22:30.29 | Heartsbane | http://graphics.stanford.edu/~monzy/KillDashNine.mp3 |
| 22:30.47 | Heartsbane | http://www.monzy.com/intro/killdashnine_lyrics.html |
| 22:30.49 | Heartsbane | ROFL |
| 22:30.49 | tapH20guru | also... sometimes have issues using a usb keybord |
| 22:31.06 | Heartsbane | Click on that second link |
| 22:31.09 | Zelut | so I just accidentally figured out autofs. yay |
| 22:31.10 | Heartsbane | Damn that funny |
| 22:31.10 | tapH20guru | i have to unplug.. and plug it back in again after I switch to the computer on the KVM |
| 22:32.15 | clutchm1 | he is using ps2 |
| 22:32.34 | clutchm1 | has mouse movement at the login screen |
| 22:32.57 | tapH20guru | no keyboard? |
| 22:34.24 | clutchm1 | ps2 with the keyboard and it works fine but keeps shutting off num lock, can he set it to keep numlock on? |
| 22:35.00 | tapH20guru | yup... |
| 22:35.35 | clutchm1 | how does he set numlock to stay on? |
| 22:35.51 | tapH20guru | http://www.ubuntugeek.com/numlock-activate-at-startup-in-login-screen.html |
| 22:37.03 | tapH20guru | so his mouse works on the login screen... but no after he logs in? |
| 22:37.06 | tapH20guru | no - not |
| 22:39.45 | clutchm1 | he switched trackballs and now isn't using the trackball through the kvm switch but his keyboard is still running through the switch, how do you make sure the universal repository is on for the numlock update? |
| 22:42.49 | tapH20guru | there's a few ways... text or gui? |
| 22:43.16 | clutchm1 | gui |
| 22:43.26 | tapH20guru | gui... Applications -> Add / Remove |
| 22:43.35 | tapH20guru | then hit Preferences at the bottom |
| 22:44.05 | tapH20guru | I usually check em all :) |
| 22:44.58 | tapH20guru | now you should be able to install the numlock thingy |
| 22:45.43 | clutchm1 | i'm looking at the add/remove programs page and don't see and preferences |
| 22:45.53 | tapH20guru | feisty? |
| 22:45.57 | tapH20guru | edgy? |
| 22:46.25 | clutchm1 | still edgy |
| 22:46.47 | clutchm1 | waiting for the 19th to get feisty |
| 22:46.54 | tapH20guru | np |
| 22:47.44 | clutchm1 | so how do I do it in edgy? |
| 22:47.49 | tapH20guru | one sec |
| 22:48.38 | tapH20guru | let me boot up my edgy box :) |
| 22:48.48 | clutchm1 | ok |
| 22:49.31 | tapH20guru | ahh... it's in synaptic |
| 22:49.45 | tapH20guru | preferences |
| 22:50.41 | tapH20guru | feisty really makes it easy ... i think you'll like it |
| 22:50.45 | clutchm1 | alright, he is installing regular updates so it will be just a sec |
| 22:50.48 | tapH20guru | k |
| 22:55.35 | clutchm1 | he had to go eat dinner but I think I can figure out the numlock thing, his main concern is with the kvm switch because he has another machine that is dedicated to sound recording and mixing that he has setup to use the same keyboard and mouse |
| 22:58.29 | clutchm1 | in synaptic preferences where do I set it to use the universe repository? I'm looking at it now |
| 23:01.00 | clutchm1 | I think I found it under settings / repositorys |
| 23:18.46 | clutchm1 | here is another good question, last night I installed ubuntu 32bit on my moms dell and firefox and gaim won't connect to the internet and neither will add/remove programs but the default updates and synaptic both connect fine and I can ping websites fine |
| 23:39.37 | atoponce | lol: http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/pcs/silverlight-cracks-up-the-web-253116.php |
| 23:40.48 | tapH20guru | OT: favorite php framework? I'm trying to decide between cake vs symphony |
| 23:42.40 | atoponce | don't use one, actually. using django and python at work |
| 23:43.47 | tapH20guru | i can't use ruby / rails, it's php only |