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| 02:09.58 | Hunding | anyone ever use ddrescue? |
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| 02:27.20 | rennen01 | atoponce, ping |
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| 02:49.44 | atoponce | rennen01: pong |
| 02:49.59 | atoponce | rennen01: /j #launchpad |
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| 03:02.59 | atoponce | rennen01: still waiting for a reply from mark neilson on launchpad |
| 03:03.15 | atoponce | rennen01: i thought of going into #launchpad, and asking directly, but no such luck |
| 03:03.35 | atoponce | rennen01: i'm sending another email to the mailing list admin for rights to the mailing list |
| 03:07.37 | rennen01 | atoponce, thanks for the update |
| 03:07.49 | rennen01 | added myself to CA Mailing List |
| 03:08.08 | rennen01 | I will post official announcement that I am heading up CA now |
| 03:08.10 | rennen01 | ok? |
| 03:09.35 | rennen01 | atoponce, modified LoCo Team List to current as well ... all I need to do there is modify CA Page...that might take time |
| 03:13.33 | atoponce | sounds good |
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| 14:44.14 | maquis | atoponce: you still need someone for WA, right? |
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| 14:51.18 | Hunding | can people really play a DVD using Mplayer? |
| 14:51.26 | Brizz | yes |
| 14:51.55 | Hunding | what did you have to do to it to make it play? |
| 14:52.14 | Brizz | I had to install some DVD codec, then I had to go into the MPlayer settings and make it use that for video playback |
| 14:52.38 | Hunding | all mine says is I don't have the file permissions, so I do a "sudo gmplayer" and then it just barfs all over itself |
| 14:52.48 | Brizz | heh yah |
| 14:52.56 | Brizz | you could try running it with gksudo just to see if it works |
| 14:53.11 | Hunding | what is gksudo? |
| 14:53.19 | atoponce | maquis: you thinking of starting a team? |
| 14:53.32 | Brizz | I dunno what it stands for, but it lets you run GUI apps as root |
| 14:53.39 | maquis | atoponce: it'll be a while before we're settled enough to do it... but we might be interested in a few months |
| 14:53.40 | atoponce | Hunding: gksudo is the command to launch gui apps as root |
| 14:53.49 | atoponce | maquis: sweet |
| 14:53.55 | maquis | Hunding: you could try chmodding the dvd device |
| 14:54.07 | maquis | atoponce: no promises still |
| 14:54.24 | maquis | we've been spending all of our time outside of work trying to get furnished and such |
| 14:54.27 | nurn | morning |
| 14:54.37 | atoponce | maquis: np. cool |
| 14:54.42 | maquis | atoponce: we get internet today, though :) |
| 14:54.51 | atoponce | nurn: moin |
| 14:55.12 | maquis | nurn: yup :) |
| 14:55.20 | atoponce | maquis: sweet. the first thing a geek needs! |
| 14:55.22 | Hunding | as in "chown -R lola /dev/hdc" |
| 14:55.45 | maquis | Hunding: nah... chmod -R 777 /dev/hdc (or /dev/dvd in some distros) |
| 14:56.14 | nurn | i would not chown a dev file if i were you |
| 14:56.15 | maquis | you'll need to sudo with the chmod, though |
| 14:56.39 | maquis | nurn: why? i've always done it, but i'm known for doing things in really bad ways on occasion |
| 14:57.19 | nurn | what is the pourpose for you wanting to chmod a device file? |
| 14:57.45 | maquis | nurn: to let some apps access it as non-root users |
| 14:58.10 | maquis | without having to expend the effort to mess with /etc/fstab or with groups :) |
| 14:58.10 | Hunding | well dang...your pretty good maquis :) |
| 14:58.14 | nurn | then make that user apart of the mount group. |
| 14:58.22 | maquis | Hunding: did that work? |
| 14:58.33 | Hunding | it did... |
| 14:58.41 | maquis | nurn: that would probably work as well |
| 14:58.43 | maquis | i'm just lazy :) |
| 14:58.56 | Hunding | I am so happy...my kids are going to be so happy this weekend when they can watcha movie in the car ride to Moab |
| 14:59.00 | nurn | ok then. |
| 14:59.23 | maquis | nurn: i was just wondering if there's a particular reason not to chmod device-files |
| 14:59.29 | maquis | does it do bad things sometimes? |
| 15:00.06 | nurn | well now any user can cat that dev file onto a device or even more scarry /dev/null |
| 15:01.11 | Hunding | what does that mean nurn? |
| 15:02.23 | nurn | sending a file to /dev/null is like taking its content and throwing it into a black hole. |
| 15:02.27 | nurn | of no return. |
| 15:02.48 | maquis | nurn: not exactly |
| 15:03.03 | maquis | catting a file onto /dev/null does nothing to the file |
| 15:03.21 | maquis | catting /dev/null onto a file throws the file into a black hole |
| 15:03.42 | nurn | err yeah |
| 15:03.48 | nurn | not enough coffee this morning |
| 15:03.55 | maquis | nurn: so, the truth is, you can give everyone read permisison without any difficulties whatsoever |
| 15:04.30 | maquis | i'll agree that write/execute are probably not the wisest thing in the world, but when i have permissions problems on my personal machine, i usually chmod 777 at least temporarily to determine whether permissions are the problem or not |
| 15:04.49 | maquis | then i can decrease permissions as needed |
| 15:05.11 | maquis | personally, on a write-only device like a dvd, i don't really see a major problem with giving write permissions, but that's just me |
| 15:05.33 | Hunding | maquis: I know y0ou covered this the other day..but where is there a tutorial on chmod and the numbers associted with it? |
| 15:05.48 | maquis | granted, i've never tried catting /dev/null over /dev/dvd... that's an interesting idea |
| 15:06.02 | maquis | Hunding: there's probably a lot of tutorials, but the easiest way to remember it is: |
| 15:06.11 | maquis | rwx |
| 15:06.20 | maquis | those are bits |
| 15:06.47 | maquis | so, if you want read, write and execute, then you get 111 which is binary for 7 |
| 15:06.54 | Hunding | gonna copy and paste this in to a txt file this time |
| 15:07.01 | maquis | if you only want read and execute, you get 101 which is binary for 5 |
| 15:07.13 | maquis | and it's user, group, world |
| 15:07.28 | maquis | so, you get rwxrwxrwx, which could be 111101101 |
| 15:07.39 | maquis | you break it into chunks of 3 (one for each type of user) |
| 15:07.44 | maquis | and you get 755 |
| 15:08.05 | maquis | of you have 110101001, then you have a really weird set of permissions |
| 15:08.13 | maquis | but it's 651 |
| 15:08.29 | maquis | (no, i have no idea why you'd want that, but hey... who knows |
| 15:08.29 | maquis | ) |
| 15:08.42 | Hunding | really do you do this off the top of your head or do you have some kind of conversion utility? |
| 15:08.55 | maquis | that gives the owner of the file read/write, the people in the right group gets read/execute, and the world ca execute |
| 15:09.07 | maquis | Hunding: i'm doing this off the top of my head, personally... |
| 15:09.13 | maquis | do you understand how binary works? |
| 15:09.19 | maquis | because if not, i can back up and explain that :) |
| 15:09.24 | Hunding | not even close... |
| 15:09.29 | Hunding | 101=5 |
| 15:09.30 | Hunding | LOL |
| 15:09.37 | maquis | ok |
| 15:09.38 | Hunding | sounds like the math my 6 yr old does |
| 15:09.45 | maquis | we'll back up for that, then |
| 15:10.05 | maquis | it's kind of like normal numbers except that you're restricted to 1 and 0 for each digit |
| 15:10.13 | maquis | so, you start out with 0, then 1 |
| 15:10.33 | maquis | now, think for a moment |
| 15:10.46 | maquis | when you're working in decimal, and you are incrementing what happens when you hit 9? |
| 15:11.20 | maquis | you try to add 1 to 9, but you don't have another digit that goes after 9, right? |
| 15:11.29 | Hunding | right |
| 15:12.03 | maquis | so, you roll the ones-digit back to the beginning (0), and increment the digit next to it |
| 15:12.25 | maquis | so instead of 09 (which is what 9 actually is), you have 10 |
| 15:12.48 | maquis | just like when you're watching the numbers on the little tracker at the gas station go up infinitely high :) |
| 15:13.02 | maquis | so, in this case, we have 0, then 1, then we run out of numbers for the first digit |
| 15:13.27 | maquis | so, we roll the first digit back to the beginning (0), and increment the digit one over |
| 15:13.37 | maquis | and we end up with 10 (decimal 2) |
| 15:13.46 | maquis | add 1 more, and we have 11 |
| 15:13.59 | maquis | (3) |
| 15:14.03 | maquis | now, we add another |
| 15:14.25 | maquis | the 1 rolls over to a 0, and we increment the digit to the left |
| 15:14.34 | maquis | that rolls over, and we increment to the left again |
| 15:14.38 | maquis | now we have 100 |
| 15:14.42 | maquis | that's 4 |
| 15:15.10 | maquis | so, that's the basics behind how binary works... but there are some tricks to solving what a number is |
| 15:16.08 | maquis | let's take the numbe 2365 |
| 15:16.20 | maquis | that number is actually: |
| 15:17.10 | maquis | ((10^0)*5) + ((10^1)*6) + ((10^2)*3) + ((10^3)*2) |
| 15:17.14 | maquis | right? |
| 15:18.00 | Hunding | oh...hold on |
| 15:18.01 | maquis | ok |
| 15:18.09 | maquis | (if you're lost, tell me and i'll go back and explain better) |
| 15:18.12 | Hunding | so you work from left to right? |
| 15:18.15 | maquis | yeah |
| 15:18.25 | Hunding | ok...getting the picture now..little dim |
| 15:18.31 | maquis | because you want to work from the least significant digit on |
| 15:18.45 | maquis | did my explanation of how it works in normal numbers make sense? |
| 15:19.07 | Hunding | it did... |
| 15:19.11 | maquis | ok |
| 15:19.24 | maquis | do you understand why i'm using 10 as the base of the exponent? |
| 15:20.10 | Hunding | because we work in a base 10 in this culture |
| 15:20.19 | Hunding | and not a base 2 or 5 |
| 15:20.30 | maquis | k |
| 15:20.41 | maquis | so, let's switch over to base 2 now |
| 15:20.59 | maquis | let's take the number 1011010110 |
| 15:21.22 | maquis | do you have an idea of how to transfer that to decimal |
| 15:21.29 | maquis | or do you want me to show on the first one |
| 15:21.40 | maquis | (hint: it's really similar to what we did above with the base-10 number) |
| 15:21.55 | Hunding | hold on...get my pencil out |
| 15:22.22 | maquis | you don't have to get the whole answer |
| 15:22.26 | maquis | just how would you go about it |
| 15:22.27 | atoponce | ~boo |
| 15:22.29 | jbot | for heaven's sake, atoponce, don't do that! |
| 15:22.34 | maquis | similar to how i did it above |
| 15:23.09 | Hunding | ok so I don't have a clue |
| 15:23.18 | Hunding | my page is almost filled, and I'm lost |
| 15:24.13 | maquis | :) |
| 15:24.19 | maquis | so, let's start from the right |
| 15:24.26 | maquis | (least-significant digit) |
| 15:24.30 | Hunding | right?? |
| 15:24.37 | Hunding | I thought we worked from left to right |
| 15:24.44 | maquis | uh... no... sorry... |
| 15:24.49 | maquis | least-significant to most |
| 15:24.54 | maquis | i get my left and right mixed up |
| 15:25.02 | Hunding | me too... |
| 15:25.17 | Hunding | cept my wedding ring is on left...only way I keep em straight |
| 15:26.16 | maquis | so, we've got ((2^0)*0) + ((2^1)*1 + ((2^2)*1) + ((2^3)*0) + ((2^4)*1) + ((2^5)*0 |
| 15:26.19 | maquis | ) |
| 15:26.28 | maquis | sorry... hit enter incorrectly |
| 15:26.39 | maquis | it goes on a bit from there, but i think that'll get us started a bit |
| 15:27.02 | Hunding | allright, then I was on the right path... |
| 15:27.22 | maquis | so, in the previous one, where we were working with decimal, i had started at the right-most digit, and said ((10^0)*<digit>) + ((10^1)*<next digit>), etc |
| 15:27.35 | maquis | now, the nice thing with binary is that it's either there or it's not there |
| 15:27.56 | maquis | in the example i gave, about half of the terms that we add in are getting multiplied by 0, so we don't even need them |
| 15:28.10 | maquis | and the other half are being multiplied by 1, which is very easy |
| 15:28.18 | Yorokobi | wow, this is the most convoluted explaination of binary I've ever seen. :) |
| 15:28.41 | maquis | sorry... there's a reason why i'm not a teacher |
| 15:28.42 | maquis | :) |
| 15:28.45 | Yorokobi | heh |
| 15:28.50 | Hunding | hey your doing fine |
| 15:29.22 | maquis | i think i could explain the simple "how to get a decimal # from binary" in less time, but i don't think you'd understand *why* that works necessarily |
| 15:31.35 | maquis | Hunding: is that starting to make sense? |
| 15:31.38 | Yorokobi | r|w|x == 4|2|1 |
| 15:31.39 | Brizz | it's all about shifting bits |
| 15:31.47 | maquis | it takes a bit of practice to get used to it |
| 15:31.55 | Yorokobi | r-x == 4|-|1 == 5 |
| 15:32.07 | maquis | but for the sake of permissions, you only need to understand up to 111 |
| 15:32.09 | maquis | which is easy |
| 15:32.24 | maquis | if you want to go beyond that, though, the full understanding of how it works is pretty useful |
| 15:32.26 | Yorokobi | but you still need to convert it to octal ... |
| 15:32.32 | Hunding | so a 777 is every one get permissions |
| 15:32.36 | Yorokobi | anyway, gotta go :) |
| 15:32.38 | maquis | Hunding: yup |
| 15:32.41 | maquis | everyone has everything |
| 15:32.47 | maquis | because it's 111 111 111 |
| 15:33.01 | Hunding | and a 007 is only the last group...whomever that is |
| 15:33.12 | Hunding | get rwx |
| 15:34.23 | Hunding | ok...so what is the divsion of the three groups..owner/user/world? |
| 15:34.34 | maquis | Hunding: 007 is pretty much the same as 777 because the groups are: owner, group, world |
| 15:34.46 | Hunding | ahhh...group kewl |
| 15:34.56 | Hunding | and a 0=7? |
| 15:35.03 | maquis | groupp is the people in the group that owns the item |
| 15:35.31 | maquis | 007 means that the world (anybody with access to the box) has rwx, which means that the first two 0s are rather useless |
| 15:35.39 | Brizz | chmod g+w |
| 15:35.41 | Hunding | so a 744 and only the owner can make the changes and everyone else just gets to read it? |
| 15:35.48 | maquis | yup |
| 15:36.05 | maquis | the owner can also execute it if they want, although for most things that's kinda silly :) |
| 15:37.11 | Hunding | why would executing being silly? |
| 15:37.23 | Hunding | Usually if I write something I also wanna be able to use it |
| 15:37.25 | Hunding | no? |
| 15:46.10 | Zelut | morning |
| 15:50.32 | maquis | Hunding: executing a file that's not a script or something wouldn't make a lot of sense |
| 15:50.47 | maquis | so, for example, you create a document in open-office |
| 15:50.54 | maquis | it's really not useful to have that executable |
| 15:51.19 | maquis | or, you have an mp3, or a text-file with data... |
| 15:51.33 | maquis | none of those are really something you'd want to execute |
| 15:55.31 | Hunding | oh...ic |
| 15:56.08 | baens | Zelut: did you ever get your phone to be a internet device? |
| 15:57.00 | Hunding | maquis: thanks a million for your help |
| 16:01.11 | maquis | Hunding: np... |
| 16:01.12 | maquis | :) |
| 16:01.16 | maquis | glad it helped a bit |
| 16:01.27 | Zelut | baens: I haven't yet. Apparently the 700p is much more difficult than the 650 |
| 16:01.30 | maquis | if you play with it a bit, it'll start making more sense |
| 16:12.32 | Hunding | so when I first boot up my laptop I come to a screen that asks me to connect to a host. I can see all the linux boxes in my house with this, however the laptop alone has three different IPs associated with it. One makes sense 192.168.***.** but the other two are out to lunch. I have one that is 172.16.254.1 ad another at 192.168.147.1 |
| 16:19.37 | Zelut | atoponce: ping |
| 16:33.32 | Yorokobi | Hunding: what's wrong with the other two IPs? They're both RFC1918 |
| 16:34.40 | Hunding | Yorokobi: I just found that they are coming from the VM machine in the basement |
| 16:35.48 | Hunding | did an ifconfig. Not sure why it is listening as one is a tomcat server and the other is running my subversion as well as QA and ant |
| 16:39.11 | herlo | Zelut: ping |
| 16:41.15 | Zelut | herlo: pong |
| 16:42.39 | atoponce | Zelut: pong |
| 16:42.45 | atoponce | herlo: pang |
| 16:56.38 | herlo | atoponce: why? |
| 16:56.57 | atoponce | herlo: it seemed like the thing to do atm |
| 16:57.05 | herlo | Zelut: so we need to announce the UTOS Meeting on Wednesday after PLUG. Will you be attending? |
| 16:57.19 | herlo | Zelut: could you do it both to the mailing list and to the blog? |
| 16:58.04 | herlo | Zelut: in addition, we need to start promoting ourselves more. Giving out details of the conference more and more...letting people know the conference is getting close... |
| 16:58.23 | herlo | atoponce: okay, be a punk! |
| 16:58.26 | Zelut | herlo: tomorrow wednesday? |
| 16:58.31 | herlo | yeah |
| 16:58.37 | herlo | at least I believe so... |
| 16:58.41 | Zelut | I should be able to come, yeah.. |
| 17:00.57 | herlo | Zelut: can you also post to the list and blog? We need to start being more visible again |
| 17:01.22 | findlay | herlo: only if you blog about it in no less than 5000 words |
| 17:03.17 | herlo | Zelut: and I am planning on having a discussion on making subcommittees and such... |
| 17:04.05 | herlo | findlay: that's up to Zelut |
| 17:06.48 | Zelut | herlo: uhm, you want just a basic meeting reminder on the blog? any other big news we should know about? |
| 17:08.24 | Zelut | I believe I should be able to attend PLUG tomorrow, yeah. Assuming I get all moved by meeting time. |
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| 17:17.07 | opapo | Zelut: Are you still free tomorrow for lunch with my boss? |
| 17:18.26 | Zelut | opapo: I was meaning to email you about that. I shoul be. I was just waiting on more details from you. |
| 17:31.19 | opapo | Zelut: I set up the appointment with his secretary, but I had to verify this would work with him. |
| 17:31.35 | opapo | Sometimes he doesn't tell his secretary everything |
| 17:31.58 | opapo | I have scheduled 1:00 for lunch |
| 17:32.11 | opapo | Is that ok? |
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| 17:33.05 | Zelut | opapo: yeah, that is probably fine. |
| 17:33.16 | Zelut | opapo: where? just the two of us? you coming? |
| 17:34.05 | opapo | It will be a threesome |
| 17:34.40 | Zelut | opapo: any idea what is on the ageda? he want to see I'm not an idiot? :) |
| 17:34.48 | opapo | I will meet him at the Lindon office at 1:00 he may be late |
| 17:35.07 | opapo | I think that is basically what it is |
| 17:35.10 | opapo | I guess |
| 17:35.38 | opapo | He is excited to meet you though so he may have other interests he would like to pass by you |
| 17:35.43 | Zelut | opapo: so we're wanting to teach these guys basic linux usage in just a day? |
| 17:36.13 | opapo | Zelut: ok... |
| 17:36.35 | opapo | as far as the linux training we are just introducing Linux to them. |
| 17:36.52 | Zelut | opapo: that could be a lot to cover in a day.. but we'll do what we can. |
| 17:37.11 | Zelut | I'd love to see the school district start using linux more and stop wasting our tax dollars. |
| 17:38.07 | opapo | I noticed the PG Library is using windows for internet activity and word processing |
| 17:38.30 | opapo | I wonder how a thin/thick client would work for them. |
| 17:38.42 | opapo | There tech will be leaving soon |
| 17:38.58 | opapo | They are lost without her |
| 17:39.55 | Zelut | sounds like a good opportunity for us to try and step in. |
| 17:41.29 | opapo | You have been using a collective first person for a while |
| 17:41.48 | opapo | Who is the "WE" and "US" you are referring to? |
| 17:42.51 | maquis | opapo: naturally, he's including you in it... |
| 17:43.37 | Zelut | opapo: you and I mainly is what I'm referring to. |
| 17:44.08 | Zelut | opapo: I figure you have some participation in the teaching later down the road.. |
| 17:45.19 | sontek | Ö |
| 17:46.13 | opapo | That would be fine, I don't know much. |
| 17:46.29 | opapo | I am the organizer |
| 17:46.54 | opapo | I have no problems teaching the limited knowledge I have. |
| 17:51.31 | opapo | Zelut: I will prepare a lesson on some basic operations/commands/programs. |
| 17:51.46 | opapo | I think I should stretch myself. |
| 17:52.03 | Zelut | opapo: I'm sure you know quite a bit. I'm sure you could teach much of the class yourself. |
| 17:52.38 | opapo | Zelut: I'm nervous because I have never done this before. |
| 17:56.37 | Zelut | opapo: well we can all chat about it tomorrow over lunch and figure out all the details. |
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| 18:11.39 | baens | Zelut: what do you like about mutt? |
| 18:14.30 | Zelut | baens: its really customizable and super liteweight. |
| 18:15.18 | baens | Zelut: aah, well if you didn't have the liteweight I would say TB 2.0 |
| 18:19.56 | Zelut | I tried TB 1.5 for a while and didn't really love it. |
| 18:19.57 | Zelut | I agree with Mutts slogan. "all mail clients suck. this one just sucks less" |
| 18:19.57 | baens | lol |
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| 18:19.58 | baens | ya I haven't really tried all of the mail clients, but I've grown to love TB |
| 18:19.58 | baens | but id probably love anything that just works |
| 18:20.28 | Zelut | I prefer evolution to TB.. maybe I'll try claws again. |
| 18:21.40 | baens | I've been meaning to give evolution a try again, didn't like it a few years back and I've seen some of the nice features it has now |
| 18:22.16 | baens | my only problem is im foreced to use a windows box at work for now and I like how I can use TB on both platforms |
| 18:22.34 | Zelut | yeah I guess that helps |
| 18:23.08 | baens | the thing i would really like about evolution is the calendar intergration |
| 18:23.43 | Zelut | and I guess you can do that now with the TB lightning plugin |
| 18:24.15 | baens | yup, but its still lacking there, its kinda a ugly plugin |
| 18:24.16 | redbeard1 | Zelut: salt lake roasting company, eh? |
| 18:25.43 | Zelut | redbeard1: yeah, heard that suggestion from someone.. :) |
| 18:25.57 | redbeard1 | Zelut: you been there yet? |
| 18:26.02 | Zelut | once |
| 18:26.11 | redbeard1 | what did you think? |
| 18:26.46 | Zelut | i think it'll work for a relaxed atmosphere.. I just wonder about trying to present something |
| 18:27.04 | Zelut | we can't really reserve the top floor completely, but we can use an area.. |
| 18:27.12 | redbeard1 | did you reserve space upstairs or something? |
| 18:28.41 | Zelut | pretty much. |
| 18:29.01 | Zelut | again, I woder how it'll work to present something without a board / projector there.. but we'll give it a shot. |
| 18:32.46 | Hunding | I did a gddrescue /dev/dvd home |
| 18:32.56 | Hunding | anyone know where the image went? |
| 18:33.33 | Yorokobi | Hunding: is ^^^ the exact command you used? |
| 18:34.21 | Hunding | yes |
| 18:34.43 | Yorokobi | the image is probably called 'home' in your current dir, then ... (just a guess) |
| 18:35.19 | Hunding | ohhhh...it makes a file called the second word then... |
| 18:35.21 | Hunding | OK |
| 18:37.01 | Hunding | Yorokobi: your were right...thanks :) |
| 18:37.31 | Yorokobi | np |
| 18:49.03 | Zelut | sweet. looks like madwifi has released an upgrade. I may be able to stop using ndiswrapper :) |
| 19:04.07 | Hunding | what is the disadvantage to using NDISwrapper? |
| 19:04.12 | maquis | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007QKMQY/ref=noref/002-1396729-0522440?ie=UTF8&s=photo |
| 19:04.17 | maquis | camera envy... |
| 19:04.29 | maquis | Hunding: you can't do a lot of stuff you can with some open-source drivers |
| 19:05.19 | maquis | for example, with my wireless card, i can use it with sniffers and things like that |
| 19:05.36 | Zelut | Hunding: the only real disadvantage in my case is that its not open.. but that is a personal thing. |
| 19:05.42 | Zelut | Hunding: without it I'd have no wireless at all. |
| 19:05.54 | Hunding | that is what I was thinking Zelut |
| 19:05.57 | maquis | i can also edit my MAC address if i find networks that are mac-address limited |
| 19:06.08 | Hunding | no kidding maquis |
| 19:06.12 | Hunding | that would be fun |
| 19:06.25 | maquis | i can also find wireless networks that aren't broadcasting their existence to the world |
| 19:06.35 | Brizz | h4xx0r |
| 19:06.53 | Zelut | maquis: I can do that with ndiswrapper as far as I can tell. |
| 19:06.57 | Hunding | you can do that?? I turned my broadcast off, and now I don't get my neighbors on both side hammering away at it |
| 19:07.16 | maquis | Zelut: ndiswrapper is supported by kismet? |
| 19:07.36 | maquis | or is there another network scanner that detects non-broadcasting networks? |
| 19:07.55 | Hunding | how can you detect if there is nothing being broadcast? |
| 19:08.02 | Zelut | maquis: sudo iwlist scan shows me " " networks.. |
| 19:08.02 | Brizz | I put a lame wpa protection key on my wireless because people were haxxing it |
| 19:08.33 | Zelut | I don't broadcast a name and have MAC filtering on |
| 19:08.36 | maquis | Zelut: i thought iwlist scann only showed the ones that are broadcasting their ssid? |
| 19:08.43 | Hunding | WPA is lame? I know WEP is, but I thought WPA was much better? |
| 19:08.51 | Brizz | oh sorry, I meant WEP |
| 19:08.54 | Zelut | ..although I'm thinking about opening it up for plausible deniability ;) |
| 19:09.04 | Zelut | WPA is much better than WEP. |
| 19:09.15 | Brizz | a five character wep key |
| 19:09.16 | Zelut | maquis: I can see nameless networks with iwlist scan |
| 19:09.21 | Brizz | bet you can't figure out what it is... lol |
| 19:09.26 | Hunding | WEP...I read last week can be hacked in under a min with very little skill |
| 19:09.35 | maquis | Zelut: not sure if that's the same thing... |
| 19:09.43 | maquis | i can get the names of the non-broadcasting networks |
| 19:09.50 | maquis | Hunding: very true |
| 19:10.02 | maquis | there's a couple apps you can find for linux that can do that |
| 19:10.18 | Brizz | I think it takes a little skill |
| 19:10.20 | Zelut | I'm not sure I understand what non-broadcasting networks means then.. |
| 19:10.27 | Hunding | I wanna find out how to find networks without them broadcasting... |
| 19:10.48 | maquis | Zelut: they have an ssid, and in order to connect to them, you have to already know their ssid |
| 19:10.57 | Zelut | I need to have a crash course on wireshark and mac sniffing for those damned hotels that don't offer free wifi |
| 19:11.04 | Hunding | your router does not send out signals with the name and encription scheme attached |
| 19:11.18 | maquis | Zelut: haven't any of the GL guys taught you about that? |
| 19:11.37 | Zelut | maquis: yeah but I don't know that its in any of the text books :) |
| 19:11.47 | maquis | Zelut: certainly isn't |
| 19:11.58 | Hunding | maquis: you should offer a lunch and learn... |
| 19:12.02 | Zelut | my router does not broadcast its name and I have to know the name to connect.. but it shows in a scan as " ". |
| 19:12.05 | Hunding | I would so go!! |
| 19:12.05 | Brizz | so turning off ssid broadcast is worthless then? |
| 19:12.14 | maquis | but 1 or 2 of the GL guys are the ones that taught me how to do it |
| 19:12.19 | Zelut | maquis: are you saying with your app you can even find the non-broadcast name? |
| 19:12.21 | maquis | Hunding: you'd come all the way to seattle for that? |
| 19:12.25 | maquis | Zelut: sure |
| 19:12.28 | maquis | kismet rocks |
| 19:12.37 | Hunding | seattle?? |
| 19:12.39 | Zelut | maquis: I'll be in Seattle in two weeks. teach me :) |
| 19:12.42 | maquis | Hunding: yup |
| 19:12.49 | maquis | Zelut: ask one of the gl guys to teach you :) |
| 19:12.53 | Hunding | why #ubuntu-utah then? |
| 19:12.54 | Hunding | LOL |
| 19:12.58 | maquis | emcnabb taught me |
| 19:13.04 | maquis | Hunding: because i used to be in utah |
| 19:13.13 | Brizz | he loves us |
| 19:13.19 | Zelut | maquis: it'll be another month before I'm back here with bryan and we can sit down and do that. |
| 19:13.20 | maquis | Hunding: i really don't belong in #ubuntu-utah |
| 19:13.29 | Zelut | Brizz: he who? |
| 19:13.35 | Brizz | maquis |
| 19:13.38 | maquis | i'm not in utah, and ubuntu isn't my preferred distro |
| 19:13.38 | Hunding | if you offer it, I will make some appt. in Seattle...always can find a reason to go to Seattle |
| 19:13.46 | Zelut | Brizz: she :) |
| 19:13.51 | Brizz | doh! |
| 19:13.54 | maquis | :) |
| 19:13.56 | maquis | lol |
| 19:14.00 | Brizz | well don't blame me I have the memory of a kumquat |
| 19:14.02 | Brizz | :) |
| 19:14.08 | Brizz | because I DID know that |
| 19:14.20 | maquis | Brizz: no worries |
| 19:14.40 | Hunding | so you live in Seattle and work on Slackware...yet hang out in #ubuntu-utah...you a funny girl |
| 19:14.48 | Brizz | lol |
| 19:14.52 | Brizz | I hate slackware :( |
| 19:15.17 | maquis | Hunding: i've never actually used slack... i enjoyed gentoo when i ran it though... |
| 19:15.26 | Zelut | from what I understand she hangs out in here because its almost #utah, just without whats-his-name |
| 19:15.40 | Brizz | who? |
| 19:15.52 | Hunding | oh that militay dude...he is trippy |
| 19:15.53 | maquis | Zelut: it's almost #utah, and most of my #utah friends are in here |
| 19:15.55 | Zelut | ...I actually forget his name since he's been on /ignore for so long :) |
| 19:15.59 | maquis | lol |
| 19:16.11 | maquis | i still am signed in to #utah, but i don't follow it much |
| 19:16.18 | Brizz | is it Migs?! |
| 19:16.28 | Hunding | no that is not his name |
| 19:16.31 | maquis | Brizz: no, but he's about equivalent |
| 19:16.32 | Zelut | it's odd to watch #utah conversations when you only get one half of it :) |
| 19:16.35 | Brizz | lol |
| 19:16.35 | maquis | mheath |
| 19:16.36 | Hunding | Ahhh |
| 19:16.40 | Zelut | there you go |
| 19:16.41 | Brizz | Migs is funny I've known that guy for ages |
| 19:16.41 | Hunding | yea mheath!! |
| 19:16.49 | Hunding | guys is a spaz! |
| 19:16.57 | Brizz | mheath lol |
| 19:17.07 | maquis | i haven't given up hope |
| 19:17.09 | Zelut | Hunding: ..and that is why the good lord invented /ignore :) |
| 19:17.18 | Hunding | he makes me laugh... |
| 19:17.19 | maquis | when xbmodder first joined the channel, he was worse than mheath |
| 19:17.37 | Hunding | he asks the same question all over the place, then ARGUES the answer |
| 19:17.44 | Brizz | lol |
| 19:17.49 | Brizz | sounds like a moron |
| 19:17.59 | Hunding | ahh...I think in reality he is just a kid |
| 19:18.00 | maquis | xb eventually changed his nick |
| 19:18.13 | maquis | and thus got his clean slate |
| 19:18.26 | maquis | and most people actually have a reasonable amount of respect for him now |
| 19:18.33 | Hunding | mheath I think spends a lot of time in the "head" still |
| 19:19.28 | Hunding | never seen xbmodder |
| 19:20.49 | Hunding | the only thing that makes my lappie's fan come on is the screen saver...LOL |
| 19:51.15 | *** part/#ubuntu-utah Yorokobi (n=Yorokobi@mail.yorokobi.us) |
| 20:07.42 | atoponce | did mheath get fired from the military? |
| 20:08.40 | Zelut | i thought so |
| 20:10.03 | [phoenyx] | atoponce: he had a medical condition that caused him to be discharged |
| 20:10.14 | atoponce | figured |
| 20:10.16 | atoponce | wimp |
| 20:11.32 | [phoenyx] | lol |
| 20:28.35 | atoponce | question: how do you hash a string as an argument in the terminal? |
| 20:28.50 | atoponce | i want to return an md5sum of a string |
| 20:36.15 | baens | atoponce: why dont you just put that sting into a file and then get the md5sum of that? |
| 20:37.05 | baens | or you can try `echo STING | md5sum --text` |
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| 20:41.30 | atoponce | baens: that's what i needed |
| 20:42.34 | baens | coolies |
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| 21:24.05 | Zelut | ahh the joys of compiling from svn :) |
| 21:24.19 | Hunding | so what do you people use to backup a copy writed DVD? |
| 21:25.08 | Hunding | er rather a copy protected DVD |
| 21:26.39 | Hunding | my NAS NV+ server came in over the weekend. Works so very beautifully, but I want to put all my DVD's on it rather than having to keep the disks |
| 21:27.08 | Zelut | brb |
| 21:27.29 | Yorokobi | Hunding: http://www.linuxeq.com/ has several DVDShrink-like options |
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| 21:56.52 | Hunding | Yorokobi: your just a wealth of knowledge...thanks again. |
| 21:57.10 | Yorokobi | Can I trade my knowlegde for money? |
| 21:57.25 | Hunding | as a matter of fact you can |
| 21:57.31 | Hunding | it is called a JOB |
| 21:57.54 | Yorokobi | I need a higher exchange rate than a job :) |
| 21:57.57 | Hunding | Just Over Broke-JOB |
| 22:01.34 | Zelut | hmm.. madwifi now works, but I can't get the supported encryption working |
| 22:37.42 | Zelut | with a line like this in dmesg would you assume WEP is supported? |
| 22:37.42 | Zelut | [ 20.696000] wifi0: H/W encryption support: WEP AES AES_CCM TKIP |
| 22:43.24 | Hunding | "...support: WEP ..." kinda gives it away no? |
| 22:44.44 | Zelut | you would think.. but it won't connect to WEP for whatever reason. |
| 22:45.18 | Hunding | WEP= no security anyway |
| 22:45.42 | Zelut | I'm trying to troubleshoot the madwifi driver I just built from subversion that is supposed to support encryption including WEP,WPA,etc. |
| 22:46.05 | Zelut | so far I can see the networks in a scan but can't connect to anything encrypted. |
| 22:46.12 | Hunding | I noticed that on the web site |
| 22:46.26 | Hunding | no dice huh... |
| 22:46.47 | Hunding | that is too bad...I been checking out that Kismat that marquis was talking about earlier today |
| 22:47.15 | Hunding | I was hoping you would get the MADwifi working and post a howto |
| 22:47.23 | Hunding | ;) |
| 22:50.53 | Zelut | do you know what chipset you have? |
| 22:53.51 | Zelut | I'm 99% I could help get you setup on ndiswrapper without problems, but until I get this figured out madwifi might be more tricky |
| 22:57.46 | Hunding | I have a broadcom |
| 22:57.52 | Hunding | I have NDIS wrapper working |
| 22:58.00 | Hunding | actaully no issues with it at all |
| 22:58.39 | Hunding | but being able to use kismat would be oh so delightful |
| 22:59.10 | Zelut | you could try the bcm43xx-fwcutter package. that is a a more native-ish driver than ndiswrapper. |
| 22:59.45 | Zelut | It technically uses the windows driver but cuts the firmware information out to build itself.. from what I understand. |
| 23:01.21 | Hunding | I used that at first but I could not get a connection higher than 11mb |
| 23:01.36 | Hunding | that is when I switched over to ndis....as now I get 54 |
| 23:04.30 | Zelut | yeah, that is one of the limitations of that driver yet. |
| 23:06.24 | Zelut | I'm not sure what else to try on this.. I don't actually even *need* encryption as I don't use it at home, but it would be nice to have supported. |
| 23:13.27 | Zelut | this is awesome:http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/115179006/article.pl |
| 23:23.44 | Hunding | how do you mount an ISO without having to burn it? |
| 23:27.31 | Zelut | Hunding: mount -o loop file.iso /mnt/destination |
| 23:43.24 | Zelut | atoponce: ping |
| 23:43.24 | Hunding | what would be a suitable mount point? |
| 23:43.31 | Hunding | as everything I have tried says it does not exist |
| 23:43.33 | Zelut | Hunding: /mnt would be fine temporarily. |
| 23:43.40 | Hunding | o |
| 23:43.42 | Hunding | kewl |
| 23:43.52 | Zelut | right, you'll have to create the mountpoint first or use an existing directory. |
| 23:44.02 | Zelut | ./mnt should be empty so you could use that for now.. |
| 23:49.40 | Hunding | works like a charm :) |
| 23:50.01 | Zelut | perfect. |
| 23:50.22 | Zelut | it's nice to be able to mount a bunch of .isos like that. |
| 23:50.31 | Hunding | much better than spending the money to buy dvd to burn and throw away |
| 23:50.56 | Zelut | definitely. |
| 23:51.00 | Hunding | especially when there is only a 45k file on the entire 4.7G dvd...lol |
| 23:51.19 | Zelut | if you just need to see some of the contents the archive manager should be able to open an .iso as well. |
| 23:51.38 | Hunding | no kidding? |
| 23:52.06 | Hunding | well hot dam it works! |
| 23:52.18 | Zelut | I believe so.. don't have an .iso on me to test but I'm 95% |
| 23:52.30 | Hunding | your right it does work Zelut |
| 23:52.59 | Hunding | everyday I use my windows less and less...about the only thing I use it for now is LMI |
| 23:53.05 | Zelut | I love being able to open, mount and burn .iso files without any 3rd party software |
| 23:53.51 | Zelut | I used to have nero for burning, some other app to crack them open on XP. |
| 23:53.51 | Zelut | burning an .iso with 'right-click > write to disk' is awesome |
| 23:54.00 | Hunding | yea it is :) |
| 23:59.30 | Zelut | well time to head home. ttyl |
| 23:59.30 | Zelut | glad to hear you're making a lot of progress in Ubuntu. |
| 23:59.30 | Zelut | the next thing on your list should be to attend a meeting. this weekend :) |