IRC log for #ubuntu-utah on 20070810

00:22.34herloZelut: ping
00:23.02herloI figured out how to boot from cd rom via grub.
00:23.16herlobut it reqs a new version of grub
00:23.29Zelutohh yeah?
00:24.37herlogo to gnu's site for grub and read about grub 2
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00:50.25Zelutwell I am ready for bed and ready to get home tomorrow!
00:53.30ZelutI always forget how to use awk. awk /search/ '{ print $value }' ?
01:34.53herloMe too
01:35.01herloZelut: did you like my bash solution?
02:12.01Zelutherlo: ping
02:12.28herloZelut: pong
02:12.43Zelutherlo: do you still have server1 in VM on your machine?
02:12.53herloZelut: no
02:13.04herloZelut: did you *not* like my bash solution?
02:14.47ZelutI didn't try it but it looks good.
02:15.19herlookay, I saw your email to GL and thought it might not be good enough
02:20.02Zelutjust wondering about other revisions too
02:20.15herlocool
02:21.26herloin 45 mins, F8 Test 1 will be downloaded
02:40.10maquishrm...
02:40.14maquisthis perl line isn't working :(
03:24.37atoponcethinkpad t61, on it's way...
03:32.04Zioxherlo, F8??
03:33.26atoponceZiox: he's a fedora user. nevermind him. :)
03:33.32Zioxhaha.
03:34.15ZioxFedora 8..is he doing the bleeding edge version cause http://fedoraproject.org/index.html says fedora 7 "now available"
03:34.36Zioxi was watching Gnomedex
03:38.29Zioxatoponce, I've given it the name of Achilles, because its only weakness is it's lack of processing power -- still running breezy on this machine?
03:39.10atoponce?
03:39.32Zioxwhat?
03:39.51ZioxI am running Breezy 5.10 on my laptop, my main desktop and my production server. --
03:40.15atoponceoh
03:40.21heartsbanewhy?
03:40.21atoponcewhy such an old version?
03:40.33Zioxthat's what you have here.
03:40.38Zioxhttp://doc.gwos.org/index.php/User:Atoponce
03:40.46atoponceoh
03:40.46atoponceheh
03:40.58atoponcei forgot about that
03:41.05Zioxits not my setup lol its your (i assume old) setup lol
03:41.24Zioxhow do you pronounce your last name?
03:41.33ZioxToe-pon-say?
03:41.58Zioxor Toe-ponts
03:42.00atoponcetoe-paw-ns
03:42.04atoponceyeah
03:42.29Zioxoh.
03:42.32heartsbaneHey g' night guys
03:42.33atoponcei'm editing that now... that's old school
03:42.34Zioxok just wondering.
03:42.37atoponceheartsbane: g'night
03:42.39Zioxlater heartsbane
03:43.03Zioxatoponce, thought so. i just google'd you lol wanted to find ur blog, but forgot url. *sigh*
03:43.21atoponcepthree.org
03:43.31Zioxoh yeah.
03:43.32Zioxthat's it
03:44.48atoponcemeh
03:44.53atoponceit won't let me edit that page
03:44.59atoponceoh well. no biggie
03:45.42Zioxnice, is that a blue matrix?
03:46.42atoponce?
03:48.10Zioxur car?
03:48.18ZioxUBUNTU plates
03:48.19Zioxnice.
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03:48.38Zioxi wanted to get like LINUX on mine.
03:48.46atoponceit's a corolla
03:49.20Zioxdang i was way off
03:49.22atoponceyou know, referring to you subject matter with a bit more detail is helpful
03:49.30atoponcei'm not very good at reading minds. :)
03:49.41Zioxi have yet to see it though... (live up in slc)
03:50.07atoponcei work downtown everyday
03:55.53Zioxdang. im just blind lool
03:56.49atoponcei notice that you're also in #ubuntu-ohio?
03:58.22Zioxyeah.
03:58.42Zioxi know a guy there...kinda. splitpaw...
03:59.07Zioxwhat do i need to start programming C++?
04:00.01atoponcewhatever it takes. :)
04:00.48ZioxI guess a better question would be, I'm starting college on the 22nd and I'm getting an associates in programming ... they offer 2 different i guess "paths" "courses" and i can't decide if i should do C++ or Java... java sounds nice cause its multiplatform and stuff...but idk
04:01.29Zioxi don't know much about C++ though.
04:02.28atoponcec++
04:02.45atoponceyou'll hate java, almost out the gate
04:02.53atoponcec++ will take you farther
04:03.19Zioxlol wasn't that your first language?
04:03.32atoponceyup
04:03.38Zioxdid you hate it?
04:04.03atoponcenot at first. not until i started learning other languages
04:04.23atoponcethan i was wondering why i was dealing with a slow vm and poor language design
04:04.59Zioxlike i have tons of "here and there" experience like PHP, html, some basic python, etc. but its hard from a non-programmer stand point bringing it all together and understanding it with no "basic building block"
04:05.00Zioxi guess.
04:05.55Zioxcause i've read that once you learn one (usually C, C++, or Visual Basic) they say its really easy to understand the others.
04:06.18atoponcewell, to a degree, but not really
04:06.52atoponceyou learn algorithms and approaches to problems, but VB is worlds different from c++ which is worlds different from python etc
04:07.17Zioxi c
04:07.26Zioxso that's not all true per-say.
04:07.32Zioxwell that's stupid. lol.
04:07.33atoponcesome syntax and keywords/symantics are shared, but overall, learning one language does not guaruntee anything in the others
04:08.16Zioxso, if i want to start C++ can i without buying something?
04:08.32Zioxor idk i just know python came with IDLE or whatever..etc.
04:08.45Zioxsorry about the abbreviations.
04:08.49atoponceall depends on what your school wants
04:09.07atoponcebut yes, you can get Free Software tools for most languages, really
04:09.23Zioxoh.
04:10.13ZioxI've also heard Perl is nice.
04:10.28ZioxPerl,Python, and PHP is it?
04:10.32atoponceno. perl sux
04:10.35atoponceso does php
04:10.39atoponcepython is beautiful
04:10.43atoponceas is ruby
04:10.53atoponceand, i'll even say mono is decent
04:11.27Zioxhaha.
04:12.18Zioxi've heard so many mixed reviews on all programming languages...
04:12.30Zioxi assume its just what you like and what you work with that counts.
04:12.51atoponcenaturally
04:13.03atoponceit's what you can be most familiar and productive with
04:13.28atoponcetime is money, and there is no sense in wasting time fiddling with a language, for whatever reason
04:14.09atoponcehere's my advice, if you want to get into development:
04:14.18Ziox...just been searching in circles, haha, to find that pretty much that's the bottom line.
04:14.28atoponce1) choose a compiling language, like C++ or C#
04:14.40atoponce2) choose an interpreted language like python or perl
04:14.55atoponce3) choose a shell scripting language like bash or zsh
04:15.10atoponce4) learn html, css and javascript. period.
04:15.22atoponceget a good grasp on those, and you'll do fine
04:15.36ZioxI want to someday contribute to ubuntu/olpc/linux-based systems all around i guess.
04:18.43Zioxdid you hear about that guy in ohio?
04:18.59Zioxwho left some i think tape drives in his car over night....lol
04:19.57Zioxhe was an intern...i guess...and left them un-encrypted in his car with like 800 or some social security numbers on the drives.
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11:30.48herlomorning
11:59.20Zelutmorning
12:11.50Zelutatoponce: ping - dvorak irssi key binding question.
12:18.02atoponceZelut: pong
12:20.21Zelutatoponce: I'm looking at your irssi binding posts and wondering, in the /dvorak or /qwerty aliases why you delete the 'f' binding on each.
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12:21.25atoponcewell, the key is in different places on both layouts, so, it would produce different results if i didn't
12:21.40atoponceevery key that is mapped is deleted first, then bound
12:22.09Zelutbut going from qwerty to dvorak wouldn't have an f mapped, would it? we're just dealing with the top row here, right?
12:22.41atoponceoh. i see
12:22.50atoponcebecause it exists on the middle row
12:23.03ZelutI suppose it isn't hurting anything, just wondering if you had it there for some other reason.
12:23.19ZelutI see why we'd de-map it for dvorak back to qwerty, but not the reverse.
12:23.48atoponcethe reason being, is i just go through the entire qwerty layout, unbind, then rebind for dvorak
12:23.54atoponceit was just easiest that way
12:24.00atoponcethen the same doing the reverse
12:24.19Zelutwell you're just unbinding the top row keys, not the whole keyboard.
12:24.47atoponcetrue. but, what if you're someone who has the whole keyboard bound?
12:25.01atoponceand you want to switch
12:25.05ZelutI suppose.
12:25.08atoponceit covers all scenarios
12:25.38ZelutI'm kind of extending those aliases to bind the 1-80 extensions and just wanted to make sure I understood your thinking.
12:26.06Zelutunfortunately, again, I have to /qwerty when I'm on my phone so I need both.
12:26.18atoponceyeah
12:26.46Zelutthese are going to be two really long aliases :)
12:26.55Zelutunbind the entire keyboard and rebind
12:28.49atoponceyeah. if you use column mode in vim, then join the rows with 'J', you con get through it really quickly
12:30.41ZelutI'm not sure I have used either of those.  I'm listening :)
12:32.27atoponceok. here's what i would do
12:32.57atoponceyou need 80 lines, so you can do that with your enter key, or whatever
12:33.26atoponcethen '^v' to go into column mode, and stretch the cursor from top to bottom
12:33.37atoponcethis can be done, if at the top, with 'G'
12:34.02atoponcethen press 'I' to go into insert mode (capital 'i')
12:34.08Zelutok
12:34.38atoponcetype what you need to that will be the same on every row
12:35.46atoponcelike 'bind -delete meta- bind meta- change_window '
12:36.05atoponcethen press 'ESC', and it should fill all 80 rows with that text
12:36.31atoponce'bind -delete meta- ;bind meta- change_window '
12:36.34Zelutgot it. cool.
12:36.42atoponcewould probably be better (forgot the ';')
12:37.08atoponcethen you can just run down the line with your keypad and keyboard, filling in the letters and numbers
12:37.31atoponceif there is a quick shortcut way to do it, that would be cool, but i don't know of one
12:40.43Zelutthis does save a lot of typing though
12:41.53atoponcecolumn mode editing rocks
12:42.01atoponcei use it fairly regularly
13:01.58atoponcei think i'm settling on either 'kratos' or 'zagreus'
13:15.11atoponceok. some changes need to be made to my network, i think
13:15.11herloI guess mheath found a new outlet
13:15.20herlohttp://openclue.org/ut/
13:16.47Zelutand he sounds like a troll there too
13:16.54Zelut..or is that just me?
13:18.40herloyeah, he stole my idea
13:18.55herlokinda pisses me off.  Plus there's a better way
13:19.00herlooh well.
13:22.08atoponceherlo: what idea did he steal?
13:23.19herlogrub boot from CD
13:23.25atoponceahh
13:23.27herloits his latest post
13:23.33atoponcewell, you can expand on it
13:23.36herloI was talking about it on irc yesterday
13:23.53herloatoponce: I know, I'm prepping it right now, but I've got so much else on my mind
13:23.56herlo:)
13:24.14atoponceherlo: where in irc were you discussing it?
13:24.36herloatoponce: I thought it was in here, but I did ask in #utah too
13:25.24herlodamn! my history isn't that long
13:25.51atoponcelanguage language language
13:26.37Zelutherlo: he can't get into #utah though can he? wonder how he came up with it too
13:27.02herloatoponce: its up in #ubuntu-utah
13:27.15atoponcewell, he can if he uses a different nick and ip, which i've been wondering if he's done
13:27.35atoponcei've been suspicious of a couple nicks in this channel and #utah
13:31.35herloyeah, patience wil bring him out
13:32.13atoponce~lart Vorian
13:32.13jbotblasts Vorian with a huge firehose then strangles Vorian with it
13:32.45atoponceoooh. jbot was snappy this time. no waiting until tomorrow to see the execution
13:32.48atoponce~blast Vorian
13:32.50jbotACTION pulls her blaster and uses Vorian for target practice
13:32.57atoponce~smash Vorian
13:32.58jbotACTION flings an anvil in Vorian's general direction
13:33.05atoponce~w00t!
13:33.06jbotThere it is!
13:33.15Vorian:)
13:35.36herlo~simpsons atoponce
13:35.36jbotACTION sends atoponce chasing a rolling pink donut down the hill screaming, "its still good!, its still good!"
13:35.53atoponce~harleypig herlo
13:36.11atoponce~findlay herlo
13:36.12jbotACTION recreationally nmaps herlo.
13:36.18atoponcehah!
13:36.45herlo~wilt atoponce
13:36.50herlo~herlo atoponce
13:36.51jbotACTION pokes atoponce with a sharp needle
13:36.53herlo:)
13:36.55atoponce~atoponce herlo
13:36.56jbotACTION takes herlo out behind the woodshed for not using XMPP
13:37.07herlo~Zelut atoponce
13:37.08jbotACTION preaches to atoponce from the book of Zelut.  If atoponce doesn't get it, atoponce is beaten repeatedly over the head with a rubber chicken
13:37.14atoponce~maquis herlo
13:37.15jbotACTION breaks herlo just by looking in herlo's direction
13:37.25herlo~travolta atoponce
13:37.25jbotACTION replaces atoponce with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power
13:37.31atoponce~whalepoop herlo
13:37.31jbotACTION catapults a truckload of whale poop from a freakishly large killer whale named Hugh at herlo
13:37.35herlo~HoneyShiv atoponce
13:37.39herloah!
13:37.45atoponce~jbot herlo
13:37.46jbotherlo is, like, the best boardgamer ever, works for Guru Labs and generally reads good things his friends lend him
13:37.47herlo~heartsbane atoponce
13:37.57atoponceheh
13:38.04herlowe need to make ones for those guys
13:38.06atoponce!insult herlo
13:38.08UtahBotherlo: Your mamma's so fat, the recursive function computing her fatness causes a stack overflow!
13:38.13herlo~beat atoponce
13:38.13jbotACTION beats atoponce with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish
13:38.16atoponce!insult herlo
13:38.17UtahBotherlo: Your mamma's so stupid, that the integral from -5 to 3 of the equation (ln x)dx is equal to the volume in her head!
13:42.17atoponce??
13:42.18UtahBot??[x]: Usage: ?? <word> [> nick]
13:42.21atoponceugh
13:44.09tonedevfwhere is the meeting tomorrow?
13:44.52herloatoponce: I made a bunch of them
13:44.56atoponceit's off state just south of i-80, but i'm not sure the building
13:45.10atoponcesontek_: ping
13:45.27atoponce??
13:45.28UtahBot??[x]: Usage: ?? <word> [> nick]
13:45.31atoponcegrrr
13:45.42herlohttp://tinyurl.com/2pfbjz
13:45.49herlotonedevf: that's for you
13:46.00atoponce??
13:46.01UtahBot??[x]: Usage: ?? <word> [> nick]
13:46.05atoponce*sigh*
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13:46.28tonedevfcool, thanks!
13:47.11atoponce??
13:47.13tonedevfatoponce: i wish i had known the sound wasn't working for you. i would have fixed it before continuing.
13:47.16atoponcesweet
13:47.32atoponcetonedevf: no prob. i got most the slides. :)
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13:48.41tonedevfi hear August is a hard time to get people together...That, and december
13:48.44atoponceone more time. let's see if i can op him know without a bot war
13:49.09herloone, two, three, four.. let's have a bot war!
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13:49.55atoponcehere we go...
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13:50.13*** mode/#ubuntu-utah [-o UtahBot] by atoponce
13:50.22atoponceand, there it goes
13:50.25atoponcei don't get it
13:51.00herloits sure fun to watch, but I can never tell who wins
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13:56.07atoponcethere is nothing in the config file to tell the bot to set +c. anywhere
13:56.30atoponcei've even explicitly set -c, and it still refuses to notice it
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14:11.00atoponce...
14:11.06atoponceare we in the clear?
14:11.45atoponcei think we are. w00t
14:11.48atoponce!rr
14:12.36atoponce!w 84405
14:12.45atoponcei think i need to set some modes
14:14.21atoponce!rr
14:14.22UtahBot*CLICK* Close one, huh atoponce
14:14.29atoponce!rr herlo
14:14.31UtahBot*BANG*
14:14.32*** kick/#ubuntu-utah [herlo!n=UtahBot@oalug/bot/utahbot] by UtahBot (You're dead -1-)
14:14.34atoponcehah
14:14.43atoponce!rrstat
14:14.43UtahBotRussian Roulette Dead Count: 1
14:14.51atoponcesweet...
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14:16.26atoponce!w 84111
14:16.28UtahBotSalt Lake City, Utah; Updated: 07:56 (August 10, 2007); Conditions: Partly Cloudy; Temperature: 78°F (26°C); High/Low: 94/65°F (34/18°C); Humidity: 21%; Dew Point: 35°F (2°C); UV: 1/16; Wind: South at 16 MPH (26 KPH)
14:16.40atoponce!g scox
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14:16.41UtahBothttp://messages.yahoo.com/?action=q&board=SCOX
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14:30.00atoponce!quote scox
14:30.02UtahBotSCOX -> 1.64 +0.14 / Last Trade  N/A / Change  +9.33% / Volume  1.54 / 52 Week Range 1.59
14:30.17atoponce~quote scox
14:30.51atoponcecool
14:36.24atoponce!timebomb
14:36.29atoponce!timebomb atoponce
14:36.33atoponcehmmm
14:36.37atoponcetimebomb atoponce
14:36.39UtahBotDiffuse the bomb by cutting the correct wire. There are two wires. They are Turquoise and Magenta.
14:36.53atoponcecutwire Magenta
14:36.54*** kick/#ubuntu-utah [atoponce!n=UtahBot@oalug/bot/utahbot] by UtahBot (snip...*BOOM!*)
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14:36.59atoponceheh
14:37.40atoponce!timebomb atoponce
14:37.42UtahBotDiffuse the bomb by cutting the correct wire. There are three wires. They are Tan, Black and Aquamarine.
14:37.52atoponce!cutwire Tan
14:37.52*** kick/#ubuntu-utah [atoponce!n=UtahBot@oalug/bot/utahbot] by UtahBot (snip...*BOOM!*)
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14:38.06atoponcemaquis: there's your timebomb game
14:38.50Zeluttimebomb ehh?
14:38.52UtahBotDiffuse the bomb by cutting the correct wire. There are five wires. They are Grey, Fuchsia, White, Pink and Crimson.
14:38.54Zelut!timebomb
14:39.02Zelutlol
14:39.15YorokobiInteresting, it didn't require the !
14:39.24Zeluttimebomb Zelut
14:39.32ZelutI think I broke it lol
14:39.32atoponceZelut: 'cutwire'
14:39.41atoponcei need to fix it
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14:42.03atoponcetimebomb Yorokobi
14:42.10atoponce!timebomb Yorokobi
14:42.12ZelutI just heard Pres Faust died
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14:42.21UtahBotDiffuse the bomb by cutting the correct wire. There are five wires. They are Crimson, Indigo, Red, Blue and Turquoise.
14:42.30Yorokobi!cutwire Indigo
14:42.42atoponcehmmm
14:42.49Yorokobicutwire Indigo
14:42.51atoponceoh. heh
14:42.54atoponceit needs to be opd
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14:42.59{phoenyx}ooo, new utahbot behavior
14:43.10Yorokobi!timebomb
14:43.11UtahBotDiffuse the bomb by cutting the correct wire. There are six wires. They are Grey, Silver, Red, Mauve, Maroon and Orange.
14:43.14atoponce{phoenyx}: i thought i'd bring it to this channel
14:43.22Yorokobi!cutwire Mauve
14:43.23UtahBotYorokobi cut the Mauve wire.  This has defused the bomb!
14:43.27atoponceheh
14:43.28YorokobiSweet.
14:43.35atoponce!timebomb {phoenyx}
14:43.38UtahBotDiffuse the bomb by cutting the correct wire. There are two wires. They are Brown and Silver.
14:43.46{phoenyx}!cutwire Brown
14:43.46UtahBot{phoenyx} cut the Brown wire.  This has defused the bomb!
14:43.49{phoenyx}yay!
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14:47.25herlo!rr atoponce
14:47.25UtahBot*CLICK* Close one, huh herlo
14:47.29herlo!rr atoponce
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14:47.42herloUtahBot: that's not fair
14:47.47herlo!rr atoponce
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14:48.11UtahBot*CLICK* Close one, huh Zelut
14:48.12herlo!rr Zelut
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14:50.21herloZelut: don
14:50.26herlot play rr with UtahBot
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15:01.12sontek_atoponce: pong
15:05.38Zelutman what a morning
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15:15.27Zelutjbot: say Zelut
15:15.28jbotZelut
15:15.37Zelutjbot: say Zelut agin
15:15.37jbotZelut agin
15:15.42{phoenyx}bachisanerd: good morning
15:15.50Zeluthmm, notify isn't going..
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15:21.03bachisanerd{phoenyx}: good morning
15:21.28bachisanerdjbot: what are you?
15:21.29jbotACTION are you to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion
15:21.36undertakingyouI upgraded to feisty on my laptop and it keeps locking up.  Is there anything that I can do to debug this?
15:22.47herloundertakingyou: troubleshooting is 50% art, 50% beating the hell out of the box
15:22.54herloundertakingyou: make it submit!
15:23.13herloundertakingyou: seriously though, I'd shut down every service you don't need.  Eliminate all the possibilities
15:23.52Zelutundertakingyou: boot into (rescue mode) from grub
15:24.02herloundertakingyou: also, if you want us to *really* help you, be more specific.  When does it fail, what are you doing?  What services/programs are running? ad nauseum.  I'd rather have too much info than not enough
15:24.06Zelutmake sure ubuntu-desktop (k/x, etc) is completely installed.
15:24.34Zelutundertakingyou: I would, again, boot to rescue mode and make sure everything is properly installed via aptitude.
15:24.38undertakingyouHerlo:  any help how? I try doing <alt><SysRq><F1> but the thing is so locked that I can't even get the capslock to go on.
15:25.08undertakingyouZelut:  ok
15:25.16herloundertakingyou: but I get that sometimes too.  I can't help unless I know the circumstances.  Plus I'd suggest this is a good spot to suggest the mailing list
15:25.44Zelutundertakingyou: check for that, do a full aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade ; aptitude dist-upgrade
15:25.51Zelutundertakingyou: let me know if you see any errors in any of that.
15:26.14bachisanerdundertakingyou: I get frozen every now and again so hard I have to hold down the power button till the laptop turns off.  Beryl general seems to be at fault.
15:26.23herloundertakingyou: Zelut is correct, but it could be something beyond what aptitude can help with.  He does have a good starting point, but you'll actually never know whats wrong if you do that
15:26.27herloand it fixes the problem
15:26.34undertakingyouIt doesn't matter what DM I use,  what perifs I have attached,  nothing.  It just does it.
15:26.46herloundertakingyou: GUI?
15:26.59herlodoes it do it when you aren't using GNOME/KDE?
15:28.55undertakingyouIt doesn't lock in recovery mode.  But it does in xface.  And anytime during/ after x starts
15:29.34Zelutundertakingyou: replace ubuntu-desktop, of course, with whatever gui your running.
15:29.58Zelutundertakingyou: ubuntu-desktop, gnome. xubuntu-desktop, xfce. kubuntu-desktop, kde.
15:31.38undertakingyouWhen in recovery mode is there anyway to get output to display page at a time?
15:31.49Zelutundertakingyou: | less
15:32.51undertakingyouThanks
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15:37.32undertakingyouZelut: I just reinstalled x/k/unbuntu-desktop via aptitude in recovery mode.  Is there anything else that I should do.
15:37.52undertakingyouAlso, if I am being to vague let me know, I will be more specific.
15:38.22Zelutundertakingyou: try a full aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade ; aptitude dist-upgrade
15:38.31Zelutundertakingyou: if that works properly let me know..
15:40.00undertakingyouZelut: all that ran through fine with nothing to update, upgrade, and dist-upgrade returned 0's.
15:40.41herloundertakingyou: its gonna take more than that to determine it.  Can you boot to a non-gui level?
15:41.05undertakingyouherlo: you mean in recovery mode?
15:42.01Zelutok, go back to the gui
15:42.04tristanbobanyone running Gutsy want to confirm a bug?
15:42.14tristanbobPlaces > Search for files > Help
15:42.43herloundertakingyou: no
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15:42.53undertakingyouZelut: I am currently logged into kubuntu.  I can log into any you want.  I have xubuntu, unbuntu, and kubuntu installed
15:42.53herloundertakingyou: boot to a non-gui mode
15:43.33herloundertakingyou: without the pretty pictures, its kinda like recovery mode
15:43.46undertakingyouherlo: you mean to just command line while not in recovery mode.  I don't know how, can't say I've ever done that unless x hasn't started.
15:43.49herloZelut: is there not a "run level 3" equivalent in Ubuntu?
15:44.00undertakingyouherlo: I know what a non-gui is.
15:44.06herloundertakingyou: I know
15:44.18herloundertakingyou: I just noticed what you stated
15:44.49herloundertakingyou: but there is something wrong in the gui for sure.  Oh well, I guess I need to get better at troubleshooting in Ubuntu
15:50.18moriancumerundertakingyou: I agree with herlo. you need to boot to run level 3 and try stopping services one at a time. Let us know if you need help as to how to do that. Each time you shut down a service boot into a gui and see what happens.
15:51.20tristanbobwhat are some cool keystrokes with compiz fusion?
15:51.23herlomoriancumer: I just don't know if runlevel 3 is appropriate in Ubuntu.  They have a squirrelly set of runlevles
15:51.43herlotristanbob: <ctrl><alt><downarrow>
15:52.06moriancumerherlo: oh
15:52.28undertakingyoumoriancumer: I have no idea how to boot to runlevel 3 but am happy to do that.  If you can say how I will try.  I guess the truly annoying thing is that is does this lockup at different times.  Sometimes 5 minutes.  Sometimes 3 seconds, othertimes it doesn't do it at all.  So far I have been in a gui for 15 minutes and no lock up.  A record for the day.
15:52.59undertakingyouOn a side note, network manager is saying that it isn't managing my network.  Maybe I should pull that out of the startup.
15:53.03herloundertakingyou: you know how to boot to grub and interrupt it right?
15:53.33undertakingyouNo, actually I don't.  But that is why I love the chat.  I learn so much :)
15:54.32herloundertakingyou: boot your box, when you see it counting down, hit the space bar
15:54.39herlothat's grub
15:54.50herlogrub is your bootloader, its what lets you dual boot if you want to
15:54.54undertakingyouherlo: I don't hide the menu.  It shows it everytime.
15:55.11herloundertakingyou: still have to hit something to interrupt it no?
15:55.41undertakingyouIt does a countdown for 7 seconds and then it will select the default, so yes.  
15:55.56herloright, so hit spacebar
15:56.07herlothen you need to edit the default choice - choose 'e'
15:56.19herlothen choose the kernel line - again choose 'e'e
15:56.23herlowell, just one e
15:56.31undertakingyou:) ok
15:56.48herloat the end of that line, place the runlevel you'd like to go.  In this case hit the space bar and then press '3'
15:56.57herloundertakingyou: hit enter, and then 'b' to boot
15:57.13herloundertakingyou: all of this is in the help at the bottom of the grub screen too, or at least it should be
15:57.39{phoenyx}this might be interesting for some of you: http://www.instructables.com/id/EWO41A9F4MSZZS9/
15:58.34undertakingyouherlo: I don't think I have seen the help at the bottom, but I will do it.  I know doing that works on the live cd's, I use it to remove "quite".  I like to see what is going on.
15:59.29herloyou mean quiet right?  I do that all the time, quite, quiet
15:59.33herlo:)
15:59.44undertakingyouherlo: yeah :)
16:00.52undertakingyouherlo: I'm just looking at grub now.  in the kernel line, is it the "ro" after the root entry that I change to 3?  would I change is to r3 or ro3?
16:03.21herlono
16:03.26herloundertakingyou: just add a 3 at the end
16:03.34herlobut it is on the kernel line
16:05.19undertakingyouherlo: I understand
16:05.24herlo:)
16:20.48herloundertakingyou: did it help?
16:22.21undertakingyouI shutdown network manager and haven't hung up yet.  I think I should remove it permanently.
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16:39.49herloundertakingyou: interesting
16:40.08herloundertakingyou: sounds like a driver problem with your NIC and NM
16:42.40undertakingyouherlo: to get my wired nic to work I had to compile and install the driver from source, and then insert the module.  And I guess that could do it.  Because the other night I was using my wireless connection and everything worked fine.  Hmmm . . .
16:45.09herloundertakingyou: that actually makes total sense.  You should submit that as a bug to Ubuntu so they can integrate it into NM
16:45.47undertakingyouherlo: What would I say the package is, a bug with the driver, or a bug with Network Manager?
16:46.02herlojust that it doesn't work with your NIC
16:46.17herlomake sure to search the bug database first
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17:08.14Zelutundertakingyou: still having trouble?
17:11.06undertakingyouZelut: I haven't locked up for over an hour.  I shutdown NetworkManager and everything seems to be working.  herlo thinks that this could be a bug with my Agere et131x Wired NIC and NetworkManager.  I am searching for bugs now.
17:11.55Zeluthmm. you say it worked with Edgy but not now with Feisty?
17:13.08undertakingyouRight, edgy and dapper I never had this random locking problem.  But feisty is a pain.
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17:18.11Zeluthmm
17:18.30Zelutdid you say you're using a custom compiled module?  I wonder if that conflicts with something now in feisty
17:20.49undertakingyouZelut: yes, my wired NIC card has a project now on sourceforge, and I downloaded and compiled that.  The source forge project has a bunch of patches integrated into it.  In dapper and edgy I applied the patches myself and then complied it.  One thought though, I didn't use NetworkManager before.  And I don't think it is worth a poop now.  So I wonder if that is the issue.  
17:21.14undertakingyouas a side note, there is a request to have the driver packaged in launchpad.  I have joined that asking that it be done.
17:22.23Zeluthmm
17:22.37Zelutnormally I love network manager.  I remember life without it and it's not something I prefer :)
17:22.52Zelutso it does sound like its something hardware specific. weird.
17:23.09undertakingyouI have found that using Wireless Assistant is nice.
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17:59.37nearnafternoon guys.
17:59.52Zelut"be my linked in buddy", "give me a comment on linked in"..
17:59.55Zelutthey get old
18:00.03{phoenyx}is it just myspace for computer geeks?
18:00.16Zelutyeah
18:00.21Zelutor for "professionals"
18:01.28nearnhuh, I have never heard about that site.
18:01.47Gateneither have I. and for some reason I don't think I care....
18:02.11Zelutyeah, you don't care
18:02.23ZelutI don't care but someone suckered me into making an account once
18:02.38Zelutit lies dormant except for the buddy request spam I get regularly
18:02.59Zelut(if you have requested linked in buddy-ship from me I' not calling you a spammer, just tired of constant requests)
18:04.14undertakingyouZelut: did herlo sucker you in like he did me?  
18:06.33Zelutprobably
18:06.43ZelutI don't even remember everyone--I never log into the account
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18:07.28{phoenyx}hmm, most of my "professional contacts" are people I know on irc
18:08.08*** topic/#ubuntu-utah by Zelut -> | Ubuntu Utah LoCo team | http://utah-ubuntu-us.org | ** Team Meeting Tomorrow (sat), 6:00pm here: http://tinyurl.com/2v6mub | Ask Zelut about discounted registration for the Utah Open Source Conference |
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18:08.20Gatemyspace and the like: The perfect way to neutralize any Internet anonymity and privacy you have left.......
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18:49.05ZelutI need some vim help if anyone is up to it.
18:49.13syniclet's have it
18:49.27ZelutI wrapped a bunch of data I had laid out to one line with '81J'.  Things looked good so I saved the file.
18:49.50ZelutI realize I need it back in its previous form. How can I revert (u doesn't work after a save)..
18:50.01synictry :earlier 5m
18:50.25synicchange time accordingly, of course
18:50.35Zelutalready at oldest change
18:50.41Zelutbut that is a way cool feature I didn't know about..
18:50.54synicwelp.  I'm fresh out of ideas.
18:51.00synicyou can do :later too
18:51.04nearnthat is a cool vim tip.
18:51.11Zelutcrap, it's going to be a pain to get it back how it was..
18:51.12Zelutohh well
18:51.28synic~praise vim
18:51.29jbotAll hail vim!
18:51.35synicthanks jbot
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18:52.10Zelutmaybe some find/replace to \n? would that work?
18:52.48Zelutat each ; I want it to insert a new line.
18:52.57synicoh, that'll work
18:53.03synicyou want it after the ;?
18:53.07Zelutyes
18:53.46synicjust :%s/;/;\n/g should work
18:54.19synicer..
18:54.21synicyeah.
18:54.58Zelut..nope
18:55.01Yorokobi:%s/;/;\r/g
18:55.51Zelutboth of those are adding a g as well..
18:56.13Yorokobibrrr? Well, then, don't use the /g
18:56.49Zeluttried again.. must have mistyped it.
18:58.26Zelutok, how 'bout we make it even more complicated now.
18:58.50Zelut:%s/find/CUT/g ..to be pasted elsewhere.
18:59.13YorokobiThat sounds like a chore for a macro
18:59.52Yorokobi:g// is good for finding and removing but I don't think it saves anything to the buffer.
19:01.50Zeluthmm
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19:15.42herloopapo: tomorrow 9:30am?
19:17.00opapoherlo yes
19:17.09opapoThanks for the reminder
19:17.13opapoI forgot the time
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19:17.38herloopapo: I wasn't sure of the time either
19:17.43herlothat's why I asked
19:17.48opapo9:30 is perfect
19:18.02opapoI want to install lightning
19:18.09herlo:)
19:18.15opapoI have thunderbird, but no place to install addons
19:18.28herloopapo: what?!!
19:18.33opapoI can install extensions (sp?), but no addons
19:18.56herloopapo: what version are you running?
19:19.06herloopapo: you need tbird 2
19:19.21opapo1.5.0.12
19:19.21herloI have 2.0.0.5
19:19.27herloopapo: upgrade!
19:19.31opapoI did
19:19.34opapono dice
19:20.00herloopapo: aptitude is not the only way to upgrade you know
19:20.07herlogetthunderbird.com
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19:21.13opapoI try not to install programs this way, but if I have to I have to
19:22.42opapopanic
19:23.09Zeluti have a writeup of how to do it on my blog if you want.
19:23.26opapoI adjusted my terminal window and now I lost my status bar
19:23.46opapoThat was odd
19:23.49opapoSorry
19:24.05opapoProblem solved by changing the size around
19:25.06opapoZelut: I don't need a tutorial for how to install programs from tarballs, but I just prefer to install programs from aptitude or synaptic
19:25.23opapoI have had better luck of things
19:25.27opapo"just working"
19:25.38opapoif I use the Ubuntu repositories
19:25.46opapoor aptitude in general
19:28.33opapoWhen I install a program I am unfamiliar with I want someone to hold my hand through the installation.
19:28.50opapoThat is why I like aptitude.  
19:36.04herloopapo: yeah, use Zelut's blog.  It seemed pretty straightforward.  I think you are right in installing things from only the repos, but sometimes you just gotta have a certain piece of software
19:37.12Gateherlo: google earth for instance :)
19:37.34herloGate: no, hell no!
19:37.55Gateherlo: not a fan?
19:37.56herloGate: google earth is a weighted down version of something you can easily get for cartography in google maps
19:38.19herloGate: I like google earth, but its not worth installing for more than entertainment
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19:41.29Gateherlo: is there a any better reason?
19:41.46herloto not install it?
19:42.16findlay~install herlo
19:44.07herlofindlay: that'd be a nice macro
19:44.39herlojbot: install $1 is <action> runs rpm -Uvh $1
19:44.40jbotherlo: okay
19:44.44herlo~install findlay
19:44.44jbotACTION runs rpm -Uvh findlay
19:45.09herlojbot: no, install $1 is <action> runs yum -y localinstall $1.rpm
19:45.10jbotherlo: okay
19:45.13herlo~install findlay
19:45.14jbotACTION runs yum -y localinstall findlay.rpm
19:45.28herlojbot: no, install $1 is <action> runs yum -y localinstall $1..4.2-1.noarch.rpm
19:45.29jbotherlo: okay
19:45.32herlo~install findlay
19:45.32jbotACTION runs yum -y localinstall findlay..4.2-1.noarch.rpm
19:45.40herlojbot: no, install $1 is <action> runs yum -y localinstall $1.4.2-1.noarch.rpm
19:45.41jbotherlo: okay
19:45.43herlo~install findlay
19:45.44jbotACTION runs yum -y localinstall findlay.4.2-1.noarch.rpm
19:45.54herlojbot: no, install $1 is <action> runs yum -y localinstall $1-4.2-1.noarch.rpm
19:45.54jbotokay, herlo
19:45.57herlothere
19:45.58herlo~install findlay
19:45.58jbotACTION runs yum -y localinstall findlay-4.2-1.noarch.rpm
19:50.40undertakingyouherlo: ping
19:51.08opapoCan some one subscribe to a calendar for me to test it?
19:51.16opapoiCal calendar
19:51.29herloundertakingyou: here
19:51.44herloopapo: you can use google calendars and it'll work
19:52.14undertakingyouherlo: is this email that I recieved from "reginald leonard" through plan@utos.org spam?
19:52.35undertakingyouSomething about a job at Position Position.
19:53.47herloundertakingyou: yeah
19:53.56herloundertakingyou: we're working on solving that as you and I speak
19:54.04herloundertakingyou: google for domains mail sucks
19:54.12undertakingyouI thought the server had changed already.
19:54.22herloundertakingyou: but only after your email address becomes popular
19:54.24undertakingyouherlo: we use google for domains at work and we don't get anything really.
19:54.29herloundertakingyou: not yet, Gabe is doing it now...
19:54.34undertakingyounice
19:54.56opapoI can't get google calendar to do what I want
19:55.01herloundertakingyou: yeah, only when your mail address is popular do you get tons of spam.  This is the second domain I've moved off gdomains
19:55.08opapoI have a calendar on a server: http://www.alpine.k12.ut.us/privateComponents/iCal/242/PTA.ics
19:55.10herloopapo: what do you want it to do?
19:55.31opapoI get an error when I try to subscribe to it
19:55.59opapoI want to know if someone else will get an error when they subscribe to it or if there is a firewall issue?
19:56.41opapoI just installed a firewall yesterday and we just got this problem today.
20:01.18{phoenyx}roughly 45% of our customers use it :(
20:01.34undertakingyou{phoenyx}: where do you work?
20:01.39{phoenyx}Deseret Book
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20:51.29tonedevfatoponce: you're presenting on encryption tomorrow, right?
21:01.08atoponceyeah
21:09.50opapodoes anyone like Quest for internet?
21:10.35thaddeusqdoes anyone like Qwest?
21:10.39YorokobiQwest (Qworst) DSL blows.
21:10.54opapoMy in-laws live in North Salt Lake and want to know if Qwest is good
21:11.06opapoYorokobi: why do you say that?
21:11.23thaddeusqI can't get Qwest DSL where I live in Woods Cross, but, I love my Comcast.
21:11.27tonedevfatoponce: in what respect?  i'm personally interested in running ubuntu on a fully encrypted file system
21:11.32YorokobiA Qwest tech disconnected my dry line and gave it to my neighbor
21:11.40thaddeusqMuch faster than my bil's Qwest DSL line.
21:13.14YorokobiThat was almost a year ago; I've had Qworst dispatched out to my house 5 times since then and it appears that finally they got it back on track.
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21:18.22atoponcetonedevf: i won't be covering encrypted file systems, but rather, the technicalities behind encryption itself
21:18.37atoponceyou'll learn encryption like you've never learned it before
21:18.40opapoThanks for your responses about Qwest
21:19.08tonedevfi just heard a "Dun Duuuunnnnn" after that
21:19.35opapoIs the website for ubuntu utah down, or do only I have a problem?
21:19.48tonedevfso lotta theory and conceptual info, less how-to/demo ?
21:20.16atoponcehmmm
21:20.36atoponceprobably 70% thoery and 30% practical
21:23.15tonedevfok
21:23.46tonedevfdo you have any experience running on an encrypted filesystem?  
21:27.54opapois ubuntu utah down?
21:29.47opapoWhen is the meeting tomorrow?
21:29.48opapoWhere?
21:30.13thaddeusq6 - 8 pm
21:30.22Yorokobiopapo, aren't you on the mailing list?
21:31.21thaddeusqMorris building located at 240 Morris Ave, Salt Lake City, 84115
21:31.24opapoYorokobi: sorry, I have been busy with other things I forgot about my mail
21:31.59opapocan anyone get to the ubuntu utah website?
21:32.02opapoI can not?
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21:32.14thaddeusqcan't try atm
21:32.29thaddeusqhttp://tinyurl.com/2v6mub is a google map to the meeting location.
21:33.42steve8trackHello, I'm new to irc.  Is there anything that I should know about it other than not typing a slash commands I don't know...
21:33.55synicregister your nickname
21:34.15synictype /msg nickserv help
21:34.18steve8trackHow do I do that, and what does registering do for me?
21:34.24synicer.. /msg nickserv help register
21:34.26steve8track(or for you for that matter)
21:34.37Zelutthe site is down. known issue with canonical hosting right now.
21:34.41synicit keeps your nickname yours, and you can kill dead connections.
21:35.01steve8trackThat's good, but what do you mean by dead connections?
21:35.56opapoZelut: thanks for responding
21:36.10synicif your connection drops for whatever reason, you won't actually get disconnected for 300 seconds
21:36.21synicso if your connection comes back up and you reconnect to IRC, there'll be a "ghost"
21:36.29synictaking up your nickname.
21:36.59steve8trackThanks guys!
21:37.14*** part/#ubuntu-utah tonedevf (n=dave@155.100.73.251)
21:39.06Zelutsteve8track: I'm assuming you're local to utah as well?
21:39.11steve8trackYes
21:39.33Zelutwe'd love to see you at the meet tomorrow if you can make it. it's on encryption.
21:39.48steve8trackThat's what mike told me, do you know mike?
21:39.56steve8trackThat's how I found this irc channel
21:40.08Zelutsteve8track: which mike? mikeB?
21:40.16steve8trackI think so.
21:40.32steve8trackI know him, not from irc, but from work.
21:40.34thaddeusqZelut is excited about lots of things, that's why his nick is Zelut!
21:40.55ZelutZelut ftw!
21:41.14Zelutsteve8track: cool. if its Mike Basinger you're talking about he's a good guy.
21:41.51ZelutI'm out
21:42.02steve8trackYeah, he game me a Ubuntu CD today, I was excited to have an official CD rather than a downloaded burnt copy.  It's the first I've seen that said "you may distribute, modify, etc"
21:42.15steve8trackHave a nice day.
21:42.38steve8trackAnd thanks for the help, I've never had any luck on irc before.
21:42.46synicare you already using linux?
21:43.30steve8tracksynic: Did you just send something?
21:43.44synicyup.
21:43.48synicI checked your client version
21:44.07steve8trackWhy?
21:44.13steve8trackto see why I had problems?
21:44.22syniccuriousity.  I was trying to see if you were already running linux.
21:44.31steve8trackYeah, I'm using ubuntu
21:44.37synicgroovy
21:44.40steve8trackcould you tell?
21:44.48synicnope, I could only tell you are using gaim
21:45.06synictype this:  /ctcp synic version
21:45.38steve8trackYeah, I tried pidgin, the newer version of GAIM, but there were things I didn't like about it, so I want to stick with GAIM's interface
21:45.54thaddeusqpersonally I prefer xchat
21:46.03opapoI use irssi
21:46.12synicI like xchat.... but the screen+irssi combo is where it's at
21:46.26steve8trackit says no such command
21:46.36thaddeusqThere are definite advantages to screen+irssi
21:46.36synic*shrug*, maybe gaim doesn't support ctcp
21:47.07steve8tracklooks like it doesn't.  Typing /help doesn't show it
21:47.56steve8trackI tried to use Miranda Portable to connect onto irc before I made the switch to Ubuntu, and I could only connect to a irc server once, then I was booted
21:48.03steve8trackand couldn't log on again
21:48.09steve8trackso I gave up for a while
21:48.58steve8trackSo is everyone coming to the meeting physically, or just on irc?
21:50.51YorokobiIt is a meeting of persons face-to-face
21:50.54Zelutwe'll get you converted to irssi before you know it :)
21:51.53steve8trackI'm not sure about making the meeting either, but I'd like to.  I hope the meeting on encryption won't be too technical, because I haven't learned much about encryption yet.
21:52.49thaddeusqatoponce says it'll be 70% theory so I would imagine it would be pretty technical
21:53.45steve8trackIs it his house?
21:54.00Zelutit's at an office.
21:54.03steve8trackOk
21:54.06Yorokobisteve8track, it is at the Morris Murdock building in South SL
21:54.21thaddeusqatoponce is teaching it.
21:54.21steve8trackI got the map from Mike B
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21:54.33Zelutsteve8track: do you know if MikeB will make it?
21:54.55steve8trackI don't know, I would guess so, since he invited me.  I'll go see if he is at his desk and ask him.
21:55.14Zelutgood to see MikeB is doing some recruiting.
21:55.58thaddeusqZelut: give me some more cd's and I'll do some recruiting for you. :)
21:56.56steve8trackI checked, he's already left for the day.
21:56.59Zelutthaddeusq: I'll have a big stack tomorrow
21:57.20steve8trackI'm in another ubuntu channel, and no one answers me at all
21:57.42Zelutsteve8track: which one?
21:57.48steve8trackThose professional copies really make a better impression than a burnt one.
21:57.59steve8trackUbuntu-pt
21:58.01Zelutsteve8track: you might be interested in #ubuntu-us as well.
21:58.15Zelut-pt? what is that
21:58.25Zelutthaddeusq: make it a date. geek-date ftw!
21:58.29steve8trackPortuguese
21:58.40steve8trackor Portugal
21:58.42Zelutthaddeusq: or do it after. we don't go all nite.
21:58.46atoponcesteve8track: when i'm done, you'll know encryption like the back of your hand. :)
21:58.52thaddeusqZelut: my wife is not a geek
21:59.11Zelutthaddeusq: neither is mine but she's been to more meetings than probably anyone else
21:59.11steve8trackI thought it was Portuguese, but I was looking for Portuguese.
21:59.24atoponcetonedevf: i've never run an encrypted filesystem, actually, but i've had every intention and interest in doing so...
21:59.28steve8track*I thought it was portuguese, but it was portugal*
21:59.32thaddeusqshe tolerates it from me, but, we are going out to celebrate her b-day.
21:59.52Zelutatoponce: I'm doing an encrypted usb disk now, although it takes 3x as many steps to mount as normal.
22:00.16tonedevfatoponce: likewise
22:00.26Zelutsteve8track: they're probably asleep is my guess :)
22:00.34tonedevfencrypted home directory would be less interesting but still useful
22:00.49tonedevfTrueCrypt volumes take care of my needs for the time being
22:01.05steve8trackZelut: Good point, if it were Brazil, then they wouldn't, so I'll look for that room
22:01.52Zelutman am I ready to get home tonite.
22:01.53steve8trackatoponce: just use laman's terms, I hate acronyms (I guess I shouldn't have gone into computers)
22:02.24atoponceoh. heh. i won't be talking over my grandma's head, so no worries there
22:02.26steve8trackatoponce: what I meant is when you explain encription, please don't use acronyms
22:02.39atoponceare you coming to the meeting?
22:02.42tonedevfheheh
22:02.47thaddeusqtla's are a pita
22:03.10Zelutthaddeusq: hehe
22:03.31steve8trackatoponce: I hope to, but it's too early to tell, since I was just invited and I need to see if I will be available.
22:03.34thaddeusqZelut: where you been this week?
22:03.47atoponcesteve8track: sounds good
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22:04.13Zelutthaddeusq: MD
22:04.37thaddeusqZelut: fun. It's friday, and I'm leaving now. BYE!
22:04.49atoponce!timebomb thaddeusq
22:04.51UtahBotDiffuse the bomb by cutting the correct wire. There is one wire. It is White.
22:05.02atoponceoh brother
22:05.10atoponcelike that's tuff
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22:05.30*** kick/#ubuntu-utah [thaddeusq!n=UtahBot@oalug/bot/utahbot] by UtahBot (*BOOM!*)
22:05.50atoponceheh. wasn't that hard. :)
22:06.00synic!timebomb atoponce
22:06.02UtahBotDiffuse the bomb by cutting the correct wire. There are three wires. They are Indigo, Red and Yellow.
22:06.09atoponce!cutwire Red
22:06.11UtahBotatoponce cut the Red wire.  This has defused the bomb!
22:06.14synicpfft.
22:06.16atoponcehah!
22:06.20steve8trackWhat is this Utah bot?
22:06.23atoponce!timebomb synic
22:06.24UtahBotDiffuse the bomb by cutting the correct wire. There are four wires. They are Khaki, Fuchsia, Black and Crimson.
22:06.33synic!cutwire khaki
22:06.34*** kick/#ubuntu-utah [synic!n=UtahBot@oalug/bot/utahbot] by UtahBot (snip...*BOOM!*)
22:06.38*** join/#ubuntu-utah synic (n=squish@pdpc/supporter/student/synic)
22:06.40synicdammit
22:06.54atoponce~language synic
22:06.54jbotACTION grabs synic by the ear and washes synic's mouth out with soap
22:07.27synicer...
22:07.30atoponcesteve8track: it's my bot, for, whatever reasons
22:07.33syniche's a potty mouth
22:07.48atoponce!rr synic
22:07.48UtahBot*CLICK* Close one, huh atoponce
22:07.57steve8trackwhat is the bot for?
22:07.59steve8trackgames?
22:08.21atoponcethat and info stuff
22:08.34steve8trackBut why are people blowing each other up?
22:08.39steve8trackjust for fun?
22:08.42atoponceyeah
22:08.48steve8trackok... that's wierd
22:08.54atoponce!timebomb steve8track
22:08.56UtahBotDiffuse the bomb by cutting the correct wire. There are five wires. They are Bisque, Magenta, Fuchsia, Khaki and Brown.
22:08.58steve8trackno one stuff anything down my pants!
22:09.05atoponceget it wrong, and you're kicked. :)
22:09.11atoponceyou have 55 seconds
22:09.16steve8trackMagenta
22:09.20steve8trackhow?
22:09.21atoponceuse !cutwire
22:09.29steve8track!cutwire Magenta
22:09.30*** kick/#ubuntu-utah [steve8track!n=UtahBot@oalug/bot/utahbot] by UtahBot (snip...*BOOM!*)
22:09.32atoponceheh
22:09.51tonedevfquick, now you can use acronyms
22:10.05atoponcelolomgroflmao
22:10.13tonedevf: D
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22:10.30atoponcewelcome back. :)
22:10.31steve8trackAm I here now?
22:10.39steve8trackI was worried I wouldn't come back.. lol
22:11.01steve8trackbecause of the problems I have had with working with irc
22:12.01atoponce!timebomb
22:12.02UtahBotDiffuse the bomb by cutting the correct wire. There are two wires. They are Yellow and Beige.
22:12.09atoponce!cutwire Yellow
22:12.09*** kick/#ubuntu-utah [atoponce!n=UtahBot@oalug/bot/utahbot] by UtahBot (snip...*BOOM!*)
22:12.10*** join/#ubuntu-utah atoponce (n=aaron@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.bronze.atoponce)
22:12.22atoponce!rr
22:12.22UtahBot*CLICK* Close one, huh atoponce
22:12.24atoponce!rr
22:12.26UtahBot*BANG*
22:12.27*** kick/#ubuntu-utah [atoponce!n=UtahBot@oalug/bot/utahbot] by UtahBot (You're dead -3-)
22:12.28*** join/#ubuntu-utah atoponce (n=aaron@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.bronze.atoponce)
22:12.34atoponce:)
22:13.30{phoenyx}!timebomb atoponce
22:13.31UtahBotDiffuse the bomb by cutting the correct wire. There are five wires. They are Khaki, Lavender, Yellow, Olive and Mauve.
22:13.41atoponce!cutwire Lavender
22:13.42*** kick/#ubuntu-utah [atoponce!n=UtahBot@oalug/bot/utahbot] by UtahBot (snip...*BOOM!*)
22:13.43*** join/#ubuntu-utah atoponce (n=aaron@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.bronze.atoponce)
22:14.28atoponce!rr {phoenyx}
22:14.28UtahBot*CLICK* Close one, huh atoponce
22:14.31atoponce!rr {phoenyx}
22:14.32UtahBot*CLICK* Close one, huh atoponce
22:14.34atoponce!rr {phoenyx}
22:14.35UtahBot*BANG*
22:14.37*** kick/#ubuntu-utah [atoponce!n=UtahBot@oalug/bot/utahbot] by UtahBot (You're dead -4-)
22:14.37*** join/#ubuntu-utah atoponce (n=aaron@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.bronze.atoponce)
22:14.40{phoenyx}lol
22:14.49atoponcebah! point it at {phoenyx} for crying out loud
22:14.51atoponce!rr {phoenyx}
22:14.52UtahBot*CLICK* Close one, huh atoponce
22:14.54atoponce!rr {phoenyx}
22:14.56UtahBot*CLICK* Close one, huh atoponce
22:14.57atoponce!rr {phoenyx}
22:14.57UtahBot*CLICK* Close one, huh atoponce
22:14.59atoponce!rr {phoenyx}
22:15.01UtahBot*BANG*
22:15.01*** kick/#ubuntu-utah [atoponce!n=UtahBot@oalug/bot/utahbot] by UtahBot (You're dead -5-)
22:15.02*** join/#ubuntu-utah atoponce (n=aaron@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.bronze.atoponce)
22:15.05atoponcegrrr
22:15.10atoponceit's rigged
22:15.20heartsbaneWhat the hell is going on in here
22:15.33{phoenyx}violence
22:15.36atoponce!insult heartsbane
22:15.37{phoenyx}lots of violence
22:15.38UtahBotheartsbane: Your mamma's so stupid, she thinks square roots are vegetables!
22:15.58atoponcestupid geek jokes
22:16.29{phoenyx}!timebomb UtahBot
22:16.31*** kick/#ubuntu-utah [{phoenyx}!n=UtahBot@oalug/bot/utahbot] by UtahBot (I will not tollerate this!)
22:16.31heartsbaneYa well UtahBot, I don't even think you are qualified to run a door nob
22:16.38*** join/#ubuntu-utah {phoenyx} (n=tthorley@64.147.152.13)
22:16.43heartsbaneStupid bots
22:16.43{phoenyx}lol
22:17.39heartsbaneSee ya'll tomorrow
22:18.25{phoenyx}atoponce: have you prevented it from !timebombing ops?
22:18.37*** mode/#ubuntu-utah [+o atoponce] by ChanServ
22:18.38atoponcetry it
22:18.39*** join/#ubuntu-utah RoninX341 (n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank)
22:18.46{phoenyx}!timebomb atoponce
22:18.48UtahBotDiffuse the bomb by cutting the correct wire. There are four wires. They are Bisque, Green, Mauve and Brown.
22:18.55atoponce!cutwire Green
22:18.55*** kick/#ubuntu-utah [atoponce!n=UtahBot@oalug/bot/utahbot] by UtahBot (snip...*BOOM!*)
22:18.56*** join/#ubuntu-utah atoponce (n=aaron@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.bronze.atoponce)
22:18.59atoponceguess not
22:19.28{phoenyx}'cause you could !timebomb ChanServ
22:19.53synic!timebomb nearn
22:19.56UtahBotDiffuse the bomb by cutting the correct wire. There are five wires. They are Gold, Bisque, Indigo, Violet and White.
22:20.07synicmuahahaha.
22:20.30*** kick/#ubuntu-utah [nearn!n=UtahBot@oalug/bot/utahbot] by UtahBot (*BOOM!*)
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22:20.43synic!timebomb nearn
22:20.45UtahBotDiffuse the bomb by cutting the correct wire. There are two wires. They are Grey and Teal.
22:21.35*** kick/#ubuntu-utah [nearn!n=UtahBot@oalug/bot/utahbot] by UtahBot (*BOOM!*)
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22:21.52steve8track!timebomb
22:21.54UtahBotDiffuse the bomb by cutting the correct wire. There is one wire. It is Plum.
22:22.00steve8trackPlum
22:22.05synicuh oh.
22:22.06steve8track!timebomb Plum
22:22.12synichaha.
22:22.15*** kick/#ubuntu-utah [steve8track!n=UtahBot@oalug/bot/utahbot] by UtahBot (*BOOM!*)
22:22.21synicrofl.
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22:23.01{phoenyx}<PROTECTED>
22:23.18steve8track!timebomb synic
22:23.21UtahBotDiffuse the bomb by cutting the correct wire. There is one wire. It is Ivory.
22:23.27synic!cutwire ivory
22:23.27UtahBotsynic cut the Ivory wire.  This has defused the bomb!
22:23.31synicI win
22:23.46undertakingyounice
22:23.48steve8tracksynic: Why did you only get one wire to cut?
22:24.05synicI have no idea.
22:24.10{phoenyx}It's random
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22:24.35steve8trackI wonder if you can do two bombs...
22:24.41steve8track!timebomb synic undertakingyou
22:24.42UtahBotDiffuse the bomb by cutting the correct wire. There is one wire. It is Khaki.
22:24.56steve8track!cutewire Khaki
22:25.06synicgotta spell it correctly.
22:25.08{phoenyx}(cut)
22:25.12steve8track!cutwire Khaki
22:25.12*** kick/#ubuntu-utah [steve8track!n=UtahBot@oalug/bot/utahbot] by UtahBot (*BOOM!*)
22:25.24syniche's just not having a go of this
22:25.29*** join/#ubuntu-utah steve8track (n=steve@trapezewireless218.insecure.utah.edu)
22:25.47steve8track!timebomb synic
22:25.48steve8track!timebomb synic
22:25.48UtahBotDiffuse the bomb by cutting the correct wire. There are six wires. They are Chartreuse, Khaki, Violet, Tan, Pink and Fuchsia.
22:25.55steve8track!timebomb synic
22:25.57synic!cutwire tan
22:25.57*** kick/#ubuntu-utah [synic!n=UtahBot@oalug/bot/utahbot] by UtahBot (snip...*BOOM!*)
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22:26.04syniclame
22:26.09synic!timebomb nearn
22:26.11UtahBotDiffuse the bomb by cutting the correct wire. There are six wires. They are Lime, Indigo, Fuchsia, Blue, White and Red.
22:26.29{phoenyx}!timebomb
22:26.30*** kick/#ubuntu-utah [nearn!n=UtahBot@oalug/bot/utahbot] by UtahBot (*BOOM!*)
22:26.33UtahBotDiffuse the bomb by cutting the correct wire. There are five wires. They are Lime, Maroon, Navy, Mauve and Black.
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22:28.30steve8trackDo I have to register with each irc room that I join, or just once for this server?
22:28.43opapoping herlo
22:28.50synicsteve8track: just for the server
22:29.15steve8trackgood
22:29.33steve8trackwhat was the command, so I can do it on other servers too?
22:30.03synicnot all servers support it
22:30.14synicbut /msg nickserv help register
22:33.15steve8trackthanks
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22:39.16steve8trackWow, they don't seem to like me in the Brazillian chatroom
22:39.36nearnlol
22:39.40steve8trackWell, it's not that, it's that they don't chat, they said that it's better to just use e-mail
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22:40.34steve8trackAnd there were only 2 people in the chatroom at the time, only one responded me, and said that there would only ever be 8-9 people in the room.
22:41.16steve8trackHow often are these meetings anyway?
22:42.08steve8trackI have another Ubuntu friend who wants to know.
22:43.19[phoenyx]monthly
22:45.36steve8trackI've only known about the meeting for a few hours, and I've already invited 2 people, but neither can make it.
22:47.49steve8trackI wonder if Dan is in this group...
22:47.54steve8trackAnyone know a Dan?
22:48.09steve8trackThat uses Ubuntu..
22:49.00Hearts|Laptopno
22:49.11steve8trackok
22:51.13GateI am a Dan
22:51.25Gate.... wait.
22:51.43Gatesteve8track: you go to BYU?
22:52.10steve8tracknope, U of U
22:52.27Gatethen I probably don't know you :)
22:52.47steve8trackProbably not, unless... did you go to highschool in Utah?
22:52.52Gatehome schooled
22:53.02steve8trackok, lol, then not likely
22:53.06Gate:) k
22:53.24steve8trackDid you server an LDS mission in a foreign country?
22:53.27GateI know a Steve, but he's at BYU, I am in Washington CO.
22:53.29Gateno
22:54.36steve8trackok
22:55.05Gateunless you have been to Dixie College or in Washington CO.
22:56.00steve8trackhow do I get notices of future meetings?
22:57.08Gatehang out here works
22:57.16Gateits almost always in the subject line
22:57.21Hearts|Laptopubuntu-utah list server
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23:07.42steve8trackAnyone here ever play Nexuiz?
23:13.23steve8trackI take that as a no.
23:14.23etanksteve8track: i tried it once
23:14.30etankbut im not much of a gamer
23:25.36steve8trackI'm looking for a better video card for my desktop... I realize that many people who work on their computers have parts that just lie around, so I thought it is worth asking if anyone has a AGP 4x graphics card (preferably not ATI) that they don't want anymore.  I figure it doesn't hurt to ask (I hope).
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