| 00:39.01 | *** join/#ubuntu-utah MikeB (n=dbasinge@ubuntu/member/MikeB-) |
| 01:32.32 | maquis | ~spell hieroglyph |
| 01:35.53 | atoponce | Zelut: .... PING |
| 01:37.17 | atoponce | aoeu |
| 01:38.07 | atoponce | 2 days 9 hours later, i have used thus far 1.3 GB of internet |
| 01:38.44 | atoponce | maquis: recommendation: install the right printer drivers |
| 01:39.52 | maquis | atoponce: i did |
| 01:40.06 | maquis | i just was wrong about which printer was usb1 and which was usb2 |
| 01:40.33 | maquis | sweet! |
| 01:40.40 | maquis | now they're both printing correctly from the desktop |
| 01:40.50 | maquis | now i just need to get them visible to the laptop and i'll be happy |
| 01:41.02 | atoponce | w00t |
| 01:47.03 | maquis | curses... thist still doesn't work |
| 02:00.29 | atoponce | ~curse maquis |
| 02:00.30 | jbot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maquis ! |
| 02:04.42 | atoponce | ~bless maquis |
| 02:04.42 | jbot | maquis: Live long and prosper! \//, |
| 02:17.43 | synic | atoponce: yeah, so I'm not going to run anything but my websites on that box. thepurg irc is dead unless someone else wants to run it. I'd run it if I had another machine to dedicate it, but the stuff on there now is too important |
| 02:18.00 | atoponce | synic: np |
| 02:18.14 | atoponce | you don't plan on resurrecting the purg, eh? |
| 02:18.23 | synic | not on that machine I don't |
| 02:18.51 | atoponce | ok. i can pick it up and keep it going, if people are interested |
| 02:19.09 | atoponce | i've been running an irc server for a while with no real reason other than to figure it out |
| 02:19.40 | synic | groovy |
| 02:19.53 | synic | brb |
| 02:28.03 | atoponce | synic: well, the server is up. if you want to send everyone over, it's irc.pthree.org:8001 |
| 03:26.32 | Zelut | atoponce: pong |
| 03:26.43 | atoponce | Zelut: http://utah.ubuntu-us.org |
| 03:26.56 | Zelut | still not working? |
| 03:27.44 | atoponce | nope. just sits there |
| 03:27.53 | atoponce | eventually times out |
| 03:28.45 | Zelut | yeah, we were one of the domains on the "canonical servers got haxored" mess, or at least on the same box. |
| 03:29.12 | atoponce | heh |
| 03:29.18 | Zelut | its all been submitted at LP, security concerns hashed out, just waiting for them to get it going again. |
| 03:29.36 | atoponce | what eventually happened with that whole mess? |
| 03:29.49 | Zelut | I'm sure it wasn't us that got haxored though. since moving it there it got near-immediate WP updates and I only accessed it via ssh. |
| 03:30.17 | Zelut | ubuntu-us.org, planet.ubuntu-us.org and utah.ubnutu-us.org are all being moved to a canonical data center. utah is the last one to come back up yet. |
| 03:35.41 | atoponce | probably. i don't see why not |
| 03:40.19 | Zelut | I would think so |
| 03:46.33 | atoponce | it's not even 10 yet... |
| 03:48.40 | herlo | Zelut: what's the deal? |
| 03:56.30 | Zelut | the deal is its 10:00 and I have work in the morning |
| 03:57.00 | *** join/#ubuntu-utah heartsbane (n=ne1469@166-70-210-101.ip.xmission.com) |
| 03:59.53 | herlo | Zelut: me too |
| 04:02.49 | heartsbane | what shows? |
| 04:03.35 | heartsbane | most sites are only endorsing rtorrent 0.7.6 / libtorrent 0.11.6 |
| 04:03.43 | heartsbane | as the new standard |
| 04:04.39 | heartsbane | sorry to interject |
| 04:04.47 | atoponce | ~interject heartsbane |
| 04:04.56 | Zelut | I'm just seeding ubuntu .iso images. I wouldn't think those trackers would be that particular. |
| 04:04.57 | heartsbane | :( |
| 04:06.03 | Zelut | rtorrent 0.5.3 - libtorrent 0.9.3 is what I'm running but, again, I wouldn't think the iso tracker would care |
| 04:06.40 | Zelut | it's just weird. I was getting 4x the upload bandwidth last nite on my DSL than I am now on a much faster cable connection at another location. |
| 04:06.52 | heartsbane | I find people in the rtorrent community are pretty particular about the nature versions .... what kind of information are you getting from the tracker on the status |
| 04:07.08 | heartsbane | True, |
| 04:07.15 | heartsbane | want me to get the link |
| 04:07.28 | Zelut | I was just searching /. but maybe that wasn't it. |
| 04:07.54 | herlo | heartsbane: it was on digg and cnet iirc |
| 04:08.00 | herlo | er Zelut ^^ |
| 04:08.29 | heartsbane | ya original article was on torrentfreak.com |
| 04:09.10 | heartsbane | in fact its on a mailing list that Dax used to run and handed off to Warren Woodward |
| 04:10.39 | heartsbane | atoponce: Zelut: herlo: someone: updating stuff for the new box I seem to have broken something, I try to DL packages but they are not authenticating |
| 04:10.49 | heartsbane | and ideas before I google |
| 04:10.57 | heartsbane | s/and/any/ |
| 04:11.50 | atoponce | not authenticating? are you missing the gpg key for the server? |
| 04:11.59 | heartsbane | yes sorry |
| 04:12.12 | atoponce | s/wh/w/ |
| 04:12.40 | heartsbane | How do I restore the GPG key for the repo |
| 04:13.04 | heartsbane | I am still wondering how I broke it |
| 04:13.52 | atoponce | good question. it's been a while |
| 04:14.14 | herlo | shouldn't you just be albe to reimport it? |
| 04:15.11 | atoponce | yeah |
| 04:15.14 | atoponce | with apt-key iirc |
| 04:15.41 | Zelut | did you lose it or did your recent update just not get it properly? |
| 04:15.52 | Zelut | I've seen that a few times, running an update again seems to take care of it. |
| 04:16.06 | Zelut | but if you're actually missing the key... |
| 04:16.22 | atoponce | 437D05B5 is the ubuntu archive automatic signing key |
| 04:16.58 | Zelut | that article mentions tunneling the torrent connection over ssh. if I do that is the ssh-server going to take on the load of the remote torrents? |
| 04:17.17 | atoponce | Zelut: yes |
| 04:17.27 | heartsbane | Yes |
| 04:17.34 | Zelut | so that'll be just the same as running the torrent from here then.. no real point. |
| 04:18.15 | atoponce | you can't change the port of the torrents? wouldn't that bypass the comcast throttle? |
| 04:18.56 | heartsbane | Zelut: you were right thank you |
| 04:19.42 | heartsbane | Zelut: you mind if I pick your brain about iptable, iptables-save, and iptables-restore via e-mail |
| 04:19.54 | herlo | atoponce: probably not, my guess is they are inspecting TCP packet headers |
| 04:19.54 | heartsbane | sorry forgot the question mark |
| 04:19.58 | Zelut | heartsbane: via email sure. i probably wont be on irc much longer tonite. |
| 04:20.18 | heartsbane | ya and over IRC it would be 'spamtastic' |
| 04:20.29 | atoponce | heartsbane: not comcastic, eh? |
| 04:20.30 | herlo | atoponce: although if he is tunneling everything through ssh (which would slow it down some) those packet headers should come back as ssh |
| 04:20.56 | atoponce | herlo: so, he could tunnel it over ssh locally, and that would work then |
| 04:21.10 | Zelut | herlo: right, tunneling would do it but then my ssh server would be taking on the bandwidth of the torrents.. which I don't want. |
| 04:21.22 | herlo | atoponce: unknown. The problem is that rtorrent doesn't work with a http proxy |
| 04:21.28 | Zelut | herlo: if I were locally using comcast and could ssh to a server to hide the packets that'd work. |
| 04:21.34 | herlo | so it would be a bit more difficult... |
| 04:21.40 | atoponce | hmmm |
| 04:21.43 | herlo | Zelut: right |
| 04:21.56 | Zelut | in my situation I'm running an rtorrent server at a remote location and don't want to take on the bandwidth load here. |
| 04:22.12 | herlo | using a Local tunnel would probably work, but then you have a similar problem on that machine |
| 04:22.15 | Zelut | I wonder.. could I ssh -D localhost and tunnel to myself? |
| 04:22.18 | Zelut | would that even work? |
| 04:22.32 | herlo | Zelut: http_proxy is involved right? |
| 04:22.59 | heartsbane | herlo: rtorrent does not work with http proxy, but µtorrent under wine does |
| 04:22.59 | herlo | Zelut: last I checked it doesn't work with it |
| 04:22.59 | Zelut | hmm.. cripes. |
| 04:23.07 | herlo | heartsbane: true, but then you introduce the overhead of µtorrent |
| 04:23.10 | herlo | er wine |
| 04:23.24 | atoponce | Zelut: well, just let it run on the bandwidth it has |
| 04:23.27 | atoponce | better than nothing |
| 04:23.30 | herlo | which is a whole other ball of wax |
| 04:23.33 | Zelut | I had just expanded my network by two comcast connections and I wast going to drop in rtorrent boxen there |
| 04:23.36 | heartsbane | yes it is |
| 04:23.52 | herlo | Zelut: I say move to a place that just has UTOPIA! :) |
| 04:23.59 | Zelut | but if rtorrent wont support proxying... |
| 04:24.09 | Zelut | herlo: utopia still has a damn bandwidth limit |
| 04:24.11 | herlo | Zelut: yeah, not yet |
| 04:24.22 | herlo | Zelut: true except if you go with AT&T |
| 04:24.25 | atoponce | Zelut: keep it just under the limit |
| 04:24.52 | herlo | UTOPIA has absolutely no limit. Its the providers that impose ridiculous limits |
| 04:25.20 | heartsbane | herlo: UTOPIA does charge the providers for bandwidth used |
| 04:25.34 | herlo | heartsbane: I know |
| 04:25.39 | Zelut | +1 herlo |
| 04:25.42 | heartsbane | sorry, there I go interjecting again |
| 04:25.56 | herlo | heartsbane: however, its something that they could just pass on rather than limiting us by |
| 04:26.06 | heartsbane | herlo: true that |
| 04:26.07 | atoponce | herlo: this *is* irc. as such, it's muc |
| 04:26.19 | atoponce | s/herlo/heartsbane/ |
| 04:26.30 | herlo | heartsbane: if they just said "Hey, if you are gonna use that much more bandwidth we'll just offer you a plan that costs a *reasonable* bit more |
| 04:27.10 | atoponce | Zelut: did i leave anything behind yesterday? |
| 04:27.18 | atoponce | a vga-dvi adapter perhaps? |
| 04:27.25 | heartsbane | herlo: iProvo offers such plans |
| 04:27.31 | herlo | heartsbane: but instead they say: If you decided that you need that kind of bandwidth,and if you are gonna use a particular type of packet, we're gonna limit you |
| 04:27.35 | herlo | heartsbane: Provo sucks |
| 04:27.48 | herlo | heartsbane: nobody actually *wants* to live there |
| 04:27.58 | Zelut | atoponce: I haven't seen anything but I can look.. |
| 04:28.11 | herlo | heartsbane: except molly's and Peters' |
| 04:28.18 | heartsbane | hehe |
| 04:28.26 | heartsbane | Hey I used to live down there |
| 04:28.34 | atoponce | Zelut: thx |
| 04:28.39 | herlo | heartsbane: its very little to do with the religion actually |
| 04:28.51 | herlo | heartsbane: the city is inconvenient and poorly planned |
| 04:29.10 | herlo | heartsbane: they can't decide if they are a small town or a big city so they try to be both |
| 04:29.17 | herlo | its sad |
| 04:29.30 | heartsbane | herlo: I know and I am on your side and fought very hard for UTOPIA, but legislators have made it very hard |
| 04:30.40 | Zelut | I was just thinking that I could ssh tunnel my two comcast connections to each other and bypass this, but without proxy support in rtorrent I'm hosed. |
| 04:31.12 | heartsbane | atoponce: hey interesting devolopment remember the Via Rhine II ethernet controller under Debian, I was describing to you, non-existant under Ubuntu |
| 04:31.15 | herlo | heartsbane: that's because the businesses spend money and more or less bribe the government to get what they want. This is the USA, we have the ability to change that, so we shall |
| 04:31.56 | heartsbane | herlo: complete agreement |
| 04:32.27 | herlo | :) |
| 04:32.42 | herlo | heartsbane: I know I am preaching to the choir |
| 04:33.41 | heartsbane | herlo: did you ever read the link about Cedar City Centrum article about the city council vote at the time of deciding if they were going to become a participating city, ya this really is preaching to the choir .... but it sure makes you feel better, doesn't it? |
| 04:34.07 | Zelut | why do I have the feeling that "this is america, we can change that" doesn't apply anymore. |
| 04:34.20 | Zelut | "I have the money, I can buy the change" is more the american way |
| 04:34.36 | heartsbane | Zelut: its because of that mysterious 4th branch of goverment |
| 04:34.52 | heartsbane | Lobbyists |
| 04:36.26 | Zelut | the eff needs to get on this one. |
| 04:36.44 | herlo | heartsbane: no, didn't read it. Link? |
| 04:37.25 | herlo | heartsbane: Zelut: I plan to make our voices heard through Utah Open Source (Donations Accepted => ) |
| 04:37.53 | heartsbane | Zelut: ever since the Supreme Court ruling that money = free speech, on Oct 1999, its just been like someone set a course for the center of the sun |
| 04:38.03 | heartsbane | Zelut: please do I contributed |
| 04:39.45 | heartsbane | herlo: it was a long time ago, it was on Pete Ashdown, Utopia initiative list serv, basically 2 city councilmen accepted 'campaign contributions' for changing their vote Qwest/Comcast. 1 got Qwest the other got Comcast. |
| 04:39.52 | Zelut | this is ridiculous. I have no caps enforced on a box directly wired to the comcast modem and I have 7.3 upload speed. |
| 04:40.16 | heartsbane | Zelut: that is comcastic |
| 04:40.49 | Zelut | well I'm taking back everything good I ever had to say about Comcast. |
| 04:41.21 | heartsbane | Zelut: did you give up on XMission |
| 04:42.22 | Zelut | heartsbane: I'm happy with Xmission as an ISP but I sent a nastygram to qwest on saturday |
| 04:42.40 | herlo | heartsbane: its a dsl v cable question at this point. The bandwidth is definitely better on cable, but with rtorrent limits on Cable, I guess we'll all be screwed |
| 04:43.14 | heartsbane | Zelut: oh |
| 04:43.26 | Zelut | +1 herlo |
| 04:43.42 | herlo | Zelut: did you just get a "You're subscribed" email for plan@utos.org? |
| 04:43.50 | heartsbane | herlo: it is sad that it is that way that because no 3rd alternative has come into the mix |
| 04:43.56 | Zelut | herlo: es |
| 04:44.07 | herlo | Zelut: sweet |
| 04:44.35 | Zelut | herlo: I know I've been slackin on the planning stuff I've just been way overwhelmed with a lot of other things. |
| 04:44.38 | herlo | heartsbane: mostly because the other two are keeping them down. We need more say as consumers |
| 04:44.53 | Zelut | herlo: although I may have a group from colorado and *maybe* a few from AZ coming to the conference. |
| 04:45.02 | herlo | Zelut: its okay. You've been doing a great job of promotion from within |
| 04:45.14 | herlo | Zelut: we have at least one coming from Wyoming |
| 04:46.11 | heartsbane | herlo: for me it is no question, because I qualify for Qwest Megafast or Qwest Platinum or whatever it is called, I get 7mb down and 904kps up |
| 04:46.51 | Zelut | heartsbane: ..and I have access to two 6M/1.5M comcast connections and I can't do $h!7 with them. |
| 04:47.49 | Zelut | I'd really rather not install a desktop on these machines so I can run azureus or something just to support proxying so I can legally torrent. |
| 04:47.52 | heartsbane | Zelut: marketing at its finest, I bet somewhere in Europe, comcastic means packet shaping |
| 04:47.53 | herlo | heartsbane: but isn't that sad? You only get 7mb down and 904 up? |
| 04:48.40 | heartsbane | herlo: definately because bandwidth is cheap nowadays, but I am still better than some. |
| 04:48.44 | herlo | heartsbane: that's probably considered fast to someone, but since these same providers promised us 25Mb up/down by the 90s, to me this is a bunch of failed promises |
| 04:49.35 | herlo | heartsbane: also, you can get the speed you want if you ware willing to pay for it. Business accounts do have a good bandwidth, even at Qworst or Comast |
| 04:49.51 | herlo | bad herlo |
| 04:50.05 | Zelut | why do we put up with getting SCREWED anymore? This isn't right. |
| 04:50.16 | herlo | Zelut: in about 20-30 minutes, you should run "dig xm utos.org" and see what you get |
| 04:50.21 | heartsbane | herlo: what makes it worst is that the telecomm companies took tax breaks to help develop faster solutions to consumers and deliver'd nothing |
| 04:50.40 | herlo | heartsbane: I know, that's why I think its lame that our government doesn't hold them too it |
| 04:50.45 | herlo | s/oo/o/g |
| 04:50.48 | Zelut | I'm going to email/call/blog and tell comcast I am immediately ready to cancel my service unless they stop. |
| 04:50.59 | herlo | Zelut: where will you go? |
| 04:51.16 | herlo | Zelut: and that, my friend, is the heart of the problem |
| 04:51.17 | Zelut | herlo: qworst I guess.. its a slower internet but I can actually use it. |
| 04:51.40 | Zelut | the heart of the problem is that comcast could give a shit if I left. |
| 04:52.10 | Zelut | they made their trillions from what the fed gave them to build the network. they don't give a rats ass about it at this point. |
| 04:52.14 | herlo | last I heard we deregulated the phone/internet/cable/etc so we could have choice. <SARCASM> Wow, now we have two, SWEET </SARCASM> |
| 04:52.21 | heartsbane | Zelut: you know if you talk to pash nicely he will probably let you put a server in the data center @ XM for UTOS, that you can use to seed distros |
| 04:52.33 | herlo | heartsbane: he arleady would |
| 04:52.47 | heartsbane | is that English |
| 04:52.48 | herlo | heartsbane: in fact, I do that for SoftwareFor.org |
| 04:52.59 | Zelut | that would be very nice, but its just one machine. |
| 04:53.27 | Zelut | for the release of gutsy I wanted to have a bigger torrent storm coming out of utah than we've done before. |
| 04:53.35 | heartsbane | herlo: nice |
| 04:54.07 | herlo | Zelut: we could just overwhelm the comcast network anyway by having everyone we know put up rtorrent traffic :) |
| 04:54.13 | herlo | heartsbane: yeah, it is nice... |
| 04:54.26 | Zelut | herlo: according to these writeups it doesn't cut your torrents if its a comcast seed connection |
| 04:55.05 | herlo | comcast seed? |
| 04:55.17 | Zelut | seeding works between comcast connections |
| 04:55.29 | Zelut | but when it goes out of the comcast network is where they cut the torrent |
| 04:56.58 | herlo | as in "They're running the seeders"? |
| 04:57.08 | herlo | Zelut: oh |
| 04:57.19 | herlo | Zelut: run "dig mx utos.org" - I bet it works now... |
| 04:57.50 | heartsbane | Zelut: here is a thought setup µtorrent under wine, on your comcast connect and stream through XMission's proxy, shell acount or something but wrap SSH around it to XMission |
| 04:58.06 | heartsbane | Zelut: or try rtorrent |
| 04:58.49 | Zelut | heartsbane: well rtorrent wont support the proxy but that is a thought. |
| 04:59.20 | Zelut | heartsbane: if I tunnel to my xmission shell the bandwidth moves to them.. which I'm sure would apply to my traffic totals? |
| 04:59.42 | heartsbane | Um.... I don't think it does |
| 05:00.05 | heartsbane | because that traffic is metered from the Cisco 6509 to your home |
| 05:00.34 | Zelut | interesting. |
| 05:00.37 | herlo | Zelut: I just found an update about rtorrent - apparently it *does* support http_proxy - get_check_hash ¶ |
| 05:00.48 | herlo | http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/wiki/RTorrentCommands |
| 05:00.54 | herlo | search for proxy |
| 05:00.57 | Zelut | heartsbane: by the way, what do I need to do to get an xmission ssh shell setup? |
| 05:01.25 | heartsbane | Zelut: Do you have a existing XMission account already? |
| 05:03.22 | Zelut | heartsbane: xmission is my isp for this dsl connection, yes. |
| 05:03.23 | heartsbane | Zelut: I believe it $8/month last time someone needed just a shell, searching for you |
| 05:03.41 | heartsbane | Zelut: well then all you need to do is request it |
| 05:03.54 | Zelut | $8/mo for shell access? or that is for non-subscribers? |
| 05:04.09 | Zelut | herlo: have you used the proxy? let me see if I can get it to work. |
| 05:04.29 | heartsbane | Zelut: you can get a shell account, and 3 e-mail addresses, since your are a customer with a DSL account |
| 05:04.58 | Zelut | would those three email accounts support imaps by chance? |
| 05:05.12 | Zelut | ..and who do I ping for shell account activation? |
| 05:05.41 | heartsbane | Zelut: unknown, and the person I would ping is Justin Scherer |
| 05:05.52 | heartsbane | but uh? I think he has gone home |
| 05:10.35 | herlo | Zelut: no, I've not set it. I still struggle with the whole concept of proxying using ssh |
| 05:13.26 | Zelut | herlo: ssh -D port user@host. ssh -D -fN port user@host (no active shell, but proxy is established) |
| 05:13.46 | Zelut | the -D option is SOCKS compatible so anything can be forwarded that way.. |
| 05:14.05 | heartsbane | Zelut: 15cwj: 00i think its like $10 for a shell if its not included in the existing package01, but I know someone I can talk to swing you a deal |
| 05:14.26 | heartsbane | hahaha I bet the colors on that are messed up |
| 05:14.36 | Zelut | irc colors are fun |
| 05:16.33 | heartsbane | Zelut: I got someone that can look it up right now |
| 05:16.56 | Zelut | cool |
| 05:17.49 | heartsbane | Zelut: if you want to go to #xmlounge @ XMission or I could pass along your account name (not a good security practice) |
| 05:20.23 | Zelut | like that? :) |
| 05:21.24 | heartsbane | and if cam can not you hooked up, I can talk to someone that can |
| 05:22.01 | Zelut | heartsbane: have you been drinking again? :) |
| 05:24.07 | heartsbane | Zelut: NO, I don't intend to drink until after wednesday at least. |
| 05:24.24 | Zelut | it's just that your last sentence was a bit slurred is all :) |
| 05:24.45 | herlo | Zelut: I get the concept. I just need to see it in action (proxy over ssh) |
| 05:25.22 | Zelut | herlo: try it tomorrow. its super easy. I have it as a startup.sh at login actuall. |
| 05:25.52 | herlo | Zelut: plus I've had no real reason to use it. I guess I can't see why I'd need to do it |
| 05:26.53 | heartsbane | Zelut: [23:29] cwj: zelut: looks like your dsl package doesn't include the shell account so that will run $10/mo. nibilik can help you get that added to your account if you like as i am off to bed. |
| 05:26.57 | sontek | I do it whenever i'm at a coffee shop/airport where the wireless is wide open |
| 05:27.03 | Zelut | herlo: tunneling everything from your machine back to your ssh server. privacy. crappy TC firewalls/filters. etc. |
| 05:27.05 | herlo | Zelut: It seems I can't wrap my head around which direction the traffic is going. In or out of my box and how on the other end it acts, etc. Its really not important enough for me yet. I think the big thing is that I need to actually do it more than once in a short perioud of time |
| 05:27.08 | heartsbane | Zelut: I can pull a favor with his boss if you want |
| 05:27.18 | sontek | Because I've sat with wireshark and read peoples instant messaging, I don't want others doing that to me =) |
| 05:27.31 | Zelut | sontek: exactly. |
| 05:27.34 | herlo | I get the privacy concept |
| 05:27.39 | herlo | I understand why |
| 05:27.48 | Zelut | ssh -D port is going *OUT* $port and into your remote ssh conncetion. |
| 05:27.50 | heartsbane | Zelut: we can get all mafia, cause like a I know a guy, that knows a guy, that knows another guy. to get you a hookup |
| 05:28.29 | herlo | I just don't care that much. I don't mind if the conversation I am having right now is open. The thing I don't quite get is how the traffic is *completely* secure, private or otherwise unreadable by others. |
| 05:28.52 | herlo | It seems to me that at some point its gonna be sniffable even if you tunnel it |
| 05:28.56 | Zelut | between the machine you are on and the ssh server it is connecting to everything is encrypted. |
| 05:29.18 | herlo | Zelut: please don't try to explain it on IRC, it won't make sense. I need to probe more than that. How about you show me at the next meet or something? |
| 05:29.21 | Zelut | herlo: think of it this way. you can view your pr0n and nobody but your ssh server knows where you're going :) |
| 05:29.37 | herlo | Zelut: but I don't care if people know I am viewing my pr0n |
| 05:30.04 | Zelut | well if you don't care then i wont bother trying to explain |
| 05:30.09 | herlo | no, its not that |
| 05:30.23 | herlo | I don't want you to try to explain the commands to me on IRC |
| 05:30.32 | Zelut | sontek: I agree with you though. As easy as it is to pull up wireshark and read IM, web requests, email, etc I don't want it happening to me. |
| 05:30.51 | herlo | but again, that traffic is perfectly readable right now |
| 05:31.04 | herlo | I can see your irc, ims etc if I know where to look |
| 05:31.49 | Zelut | if you and I are sitting in the same room and I've tunneled my connection you can't see anything but garbage. |
| 05:34.28 | herlo | Zelut: I understand that. |
| 05:34.44 | herlo | Zelut: I guess its just to protect you from an internal threat then.. |
| 05:36.54 | heartsbane | Don't mess it up like last time. |
| 05:38.20 | herlo | hah |
| 05:38.45 | heartsbane | :) sorry I had to add one of those heartsbane comments |
| 05:38.51 | Zelut | cool. xmission supports imaps. Looks like I may forward my gmail there now. |
| 05:39.46 | herlo | Zelut: gnight |
| 05:39.50 | Zelut | nite |
| 05:40.00 | heartsbane | Zelut: I can also talk to grant and justin about getting you a shell account, I get one for free since I have been one of those loyal XM customer since 99 |
| 05:40.08 | heartsbane | Zelut: if you want |
| 05:40.15 | heartsbane | but G'night |
| 05:48.50 | sontek | lazy! |
| 05:49.18 | heartsbane | :( |
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| 10:42.02 | Spads | Hello there. I realize it's still the middle of the night in Utah, but I have just set up the utah.ubuntu-us.org planet within the canonical datacenter, as well as planet.ubuntu-us.org and would like to speak to christer about it when he gets in. |
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| 13:07.10 | *** topic/#ubuntu-utah is | Ubuntu Utah LoCo Team | http://utah.ubuntu-us.org | Ask Zelut about discounted registration for the Utah Open Source Conference | |
| 13:11.25 | Yorokobi | Spads, ping Zelut, I don't know if he has hilight set up for his given name. |
| 13:11.52 | Spads | ah, will do |
| 13:15.17 | Spads | Zelut: Let me know when you're available. I'm working on the ubuntu-us planet sites, and want to talk to you about them when you get a chance. |
| 13:28.08 | Zelut | morning |
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| 13:32.43 | Spads | ah, hello |
| 13:32.56 | Spads | so I notice that you seem to have brought up planet.ubuntu-us.org elsewhere |
| 13:33.07 | Spads | I've brought up a copy within the canonical data center |
| 13:33.46 | Spads | I have a copy of the utah planet running at http://neodymium.canonical.com/ (for the moment. that will stop working shortly) |
| 13:33.57 | Spads | and wondered what you wanted to do about the hosting of these two planets |
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| 13:36.41 | herlo | morning |
| 13:38.33 | Zelut | Spads: I'm not sure where else it would have come up. I submitted a bug in LP to have it put in the Canonical DC and it was resolved. |
| 13:39.05 | Spads | ah, that would explain it then |
| 13:39.05 | Zelut | Spads: I would like the utah.ubuntu-us.org to be hosted within the Canonical Data Center as well if possible. |
| 13:39.28 | Spads | all right, well in that case all you need to do is make the utah.ubuntu-us.org hostname resolve to the same IP as planet.ubuntu-us.org |
| 13:39.49 | Spads | sorry, I was confused about how far the DNS had come |
| 13:39.58 | Zelut | so all we are waiting on is DNS updates? |
| 13:40.21 | Spads | yes |
| 13:40.34 | Zelut | great. I'll get it done right away. |
| 13:40.38 | Spads | excellent |
| 13:40.59 | Spads | while you're doing that, take a look at http://neodymium.canonical.com/ and let me know if there's anything I got wrong |
| 13:41.32 | Zelut | Spads: lol, wrong config actually. :) |
| 13:41.54 | Zelut | Spads: I had an old config in there for a previous planet I setup that doesn't need to be hosted there. |
| 13:42.01 | Spads | aha |
| 13:42.03 | Zelut | Spads: the utah.ubuntu-us.org should be running a WP installation |
| 13:42.08 | Spads | oh |
| 13:42.20 | Spads | Well in that case delay that DNS change |
| 13:42.22 | Spads | you'll need a different IP |
| 13:42.36 | Zelut | ok. |
| 13:42.59 | Spads | 82.211.81.226 |
| 13:43.37 | Zelut | Ok. Do you have the WP installation to revive or will I need to dig up a backup someplace? |
| 13:43.58 | Spads | I have an installation to revive, and I'm working on another WP resurrection now |
| 13:44.13 | Spads | did you use any peculiar themes or anything? |
| 13:44.38 | Zelut | Spads: We did have a custom theme, yes. |
| 13:44.58 | Zelut | It should be in the themes folder called 'ubuntu' or 'ubuntuut' or something along those lines. |
| 13:45.34 | Spads | okay |
| 13:45.39 | Spads | I'll work on it |
| 13:45.57 | Spads | if you have a known good pristine copy of this theme, that would help |
| 13:46.31 | Zelut | I might have to dig around for that.. I don't have one readily available. |
| 13:48.23 | Spads | okay |
| 13:48.48 | Spads | anyway, pop into #canonical-sysadmin if you find it, and we can work out the rest of the details there |
| 13:48.53 | Zelut | ok |
| 13:51.39 | Zelut | I wonder if this is the right reason/time to switch over to drupal instead. |
| 13:52.32 | Spads | you wouldn't be alone |
| 13:52.56 | Spads | either way, the IP will be the same |
| 13:53.05 | Spads | the wordpress and drupal installations are on the same IP |
| 13:54.08 | Zelut | ok |
| 13:54.29 | Spads | ok |
| 13:55.09 | Spads | anyway, I'll let you know when I"m at a decision gate for your site |
| 13:55.18 | Zelut | thank you |
| 13:55.39 | Spads | think about what you'd want to do with the wordpress data if you moved to django |
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| 16:14.14 | Brizz | does anyone know of a terminal based download manager? |
| 16:14.23 | Spads | wget? |
| 16:14.30 | Zelut | wget ftw! |
| 16:15.08 | Brizz | it will work like FlashGet and whatnot? |
| 16:16.29 | Spads | never used FlashGet |
| 16:16.39 | Spads | you'll have to be more specific |
| 16:16.50 | Brizz | http://cs-people.bu.edu/dbera/activities/projects/mget/mget.php |
| 16:17.06 | Brizz | it downlaods specific parts of a file in tandem |
| 16:17.12 | sontek | Brizz: you can resume downloads with wget |
| 16:17.14 | Spads | oh no |
| 16:17.19 | Brizz | giving you a logically faster download speed |
| 16:17.19 | Spads | oh no oh no oh no |
| 16:17.21 | Spads | please don't do that |
| 16:19.08 | Brizz | I want to mirror a file but it is enormous |
| 16:19.15 | Brizz | and I need to downlaod it in order to mirror it |
| 16:19.50 | Spads | you will make server admins hate you |
| 16:19.54 | Spads | they rate limit downloads for a reason |
| 16:20.20 | Brizz | in this particular case, I don't care if they hate me :) |
| 16:20.44 | Zelut | well then. |
| 16:21.06 | Zelut | wget -c URL is the command line downloader (with recovery). |
| 16:21.15 | Zelut | I don't know anything like flashget for the CLI though. |
| 16:21.27 | Brizz | alright |
| 16:21.37 | Brizz | well this mget one looks like what I want but I doubt it's been updted in.... years |
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| 16:27.57 | Brizz | aget |
| 16:28.26 | Zelut | curl is really similar to wget. it might have more options |
| 16:32.46 | Brizz | guh I hate slackware :( |
| 16:35.04 | Spads | Zelut: okay, so if you want wordpress I can set you up now. If you want to just switch to drupal you can get in the queue and ask Ng about it in #canonical-sysadmin |
| 16:51.51 | Brizz | piece of crap |
| 16:51.56 | Brizz | aget won't work on this file for some reason |
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| 16:59.02 | Zelut | Brizz: sounds like you're going to spend the same amount of time finding a solution vs just downloading it normally :) |
| 17:01.14 | Brizz | lol |
| 17:01.23 | Brizz | well I found another one called ProZilla |
| 17:01.32 | Brizz | and it is working but it's not opening any additional connections |
| 17:02.35 | Yorokobi | Brizz, would setting it up as a torrent be a better solution? |
| 17:02.48 | Brizz | there is a torrent for this file already |
| 17:02.53 | Brizz | about 20 seeds and 2000 leechers |
| 17:03.41 | Yorokobi | Why are you trying to use a DL manager and mirror it then? |
| 17:04.46 | Brizz | because that Torrent is exactly why more mirros are needed |
| 17:04.50 | Brizz | it's going at like 3k/s |
| 17:05.31 | Yorokobi | sounds to me like you have 20 mirrors and 2000+ partial mirrors already. |
| 17:05.52 | Yorokobi | You're just not using them all :) |
| 17:06.39 | Brizz | lol |
| 17:08.16 | Yorokobi | Is anyone here good at calculating java garbage collection ratios? |
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| 17:33.18 | {phoenyx} | bachisaner1: greetings |
| 17:34.04 | bachisaner1 | phoenyx: greetings to you too |
| 17:42.19 | heartsbane | shouldn't it be bachisanerd? |
| 17:42.38 | bachisaner1 | yeah, I'm not sure what's going on |
| 17:42.43 | bachisaner1 | maybe I logged in twice |
| 17:42.49 | bachisaner1 | or need a new name |
| 17:43.04 | heartsbane | probably setup in alternate nick |
| 17:43.40 | bachisaner1 | I'm new to IRC |
| 17:44.01 | heartsbane | type /nick <your_new_nickname_here> |
| 17:44.28 | bachisanerd | thx |
| 17:44.35 | heartsbane | np |
| 18:09.02 | Hearts|Laptop | atoponce: go the new lappy yet? |
| 18:16.28 | Hearts|Laptop | s/go/got/ |
| 18:16.53 | atoponce | Hearts|Laptop: yup |
| 18:17.00 | atoponce | running lenny on it now, actually |
| 18:17.06 | atoponce | just about to install thinkfinger |
| 18:18.42 | Hearts|Laptop | Debian, I just left that place |
| 18:18.50 | Hearts|Laptop | hehehe |
| 18:22.12 | peno | Hearts|Laptop: how nice is it to be able to reboot without a rescue kernel? :) |
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| 18:26.44 | Hearts|Laptop | peno: it brings a tear to my eye |
| 18:27.46 | Hearts|Laptop | peno: and the driver issue with Via Rhine II Ethernet controller, doesn't appear to be a issue in Ubuntu |
| 18:28.57 | Hearts|Laptop | peno: so everytime I lose connect, I can no longer blame the Via Rhine II |
| 18:28.57 | Hearts|Laptop | bummer |
| 18:30.27 | peno | I'll blame the drinking when you lose connection. |
| 18:31.36 | Hearts|Laptop | peno: definately |
| 18:32.08 | synic | http://phonese.cx/comments.php?2813 |
| 18:32.48 | Hearts|Laptop | synic, can I snag your w00t.sh off your svn mirror? |
| 18:32.57 | synic | yeah |
| 18:33.03 | synic | svn://exaile.org/usr/local/svn/vim |
| 18:33.13 | linuxalien | Rhine has an issue? Damn. I have a Rhine but run Gentoo. |
| 18:33.23 | Hearts|Laptop | no longer jbother? |
| 18:33.27 | synic | that works too |
| 18:35.36 | Hearts|Laptop | synic: thank you |
| 18:35.43 | synic | np |
| 18:38.49 | fizz | synic: is you server still down? |
| 18:39.03 | synic | no |
| 18:39.05 | fizz | more specificly is thepurg still down. |
| 18:39.21 | synic | thepurg is still down. I could bring it up, but I probably won't. At least not on that box. |
| 18:40.16 | fizz | kk. |
| 18:40.37 | synic | I have all the configs and data to run it |
| 18:40.43 | synic | they just need a home |
| 18:40.51 | synic | or, atoponce has an irc server we can use |
| 18:41.29 | fizz | hrm. we could probably use gnuk as well. |
| 18:41.36 | fizz | whatever you want to do my friend. |
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| 18:42.12 | synic | it doesn't matter to me. exaile.org is now big enough to be a target. Kinda sucks. |
| 18:42.28 | Hearts|Laptop | a target? |
| 18:42.57 | synic | it keeps getting hacked |
| 18:43.16 | synic | and/or DoSed |
| 18:43.33 | Hearts|Laptop | Damn, that sucks |
| 18:43.52 | synic | tell me about it |
| 18:44.39 | Hearts|Laptop | synic: these plugins will transfer to gvim if I install it, right? |
| 18:44.47 | synic | yeah |
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| 20:55.07 | {phoenyx} | there is probably an obvious way to do this, but I can't seem to think of it |
| 20:55.32 | {phoenyx} | how do I remove all of the .svn folders from a project I'm working on? |
| 20:55.46 | {phoenyx} | (recursively down through the directory structure) |
| 20:56.28 | Zelut | I'm sure we could come up with a find command to do it, but I assume you're looking for an svn built-in? |
| 20:56.57 | {phoenyx} | either way |
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| 21:01.11 | Zelut | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.15 | Zelut | so try, "find /path/so/.svn/root -type d -name .svn -exec rm -rf '{}' \; |
| 21:02.21 | Zelut | ...or something along those lines |
| 21:02.28 | Zelut | I'd try it in /tmp or something first :) |
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| 21:08.06 | heartsbane | BRB |
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| 21:20.14 | Hearts|Laptop | my apologies I made that quit message before I read the code of conduct |
| 21:20.37 | Brizz | do you guys know anything about setting an LD_LIBRARY_PATH for all users? |
| 21:20.50 | Brizz | or more importantly, how to get the www-data user to have that? |
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| 21:33.45 | maquis | {phoenyx}: i've done that before |
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| 22:02.19 | sontek | Brizz: just put it in your /etc/profile if you want everyone to get it |
| 22:02.30 | Brizz | I put it in there |
| 22:02.37 | Brizz | bI need it to work in Apache |
| 22:02.42 | Brizz | but I* |
| 22:02.51 | Brizz | and it won't for some reason |
| 22:03.36 | sontek | Brizz: in apcahe you can do SetEnv LID_LIBRARY_PATH <directories here> |
| 22:03.48 | sontek | s/LID/LD/ |
| 22:03.55 | Brizz | in the httpd.conf? |
| 22:04.49 | sontek | Yes |
| 22:05.18 | sontek | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_env.html |
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| 22:10.03 | Brizz | didn't work :( |
| 22:10.22 | Brizz | oh wait |
| 22:11.07 | Brizz | nope :( |
| 22:12.24 | Brizz | all four mirrors are accepting the file |
| 22:12.32 | Brizz | and it's actually going a relatively good speed |
| 22:12.45 | Brizz | oops |
| 22:12.47 | Brizz | wrong window |
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| 23:25.30 | Hearts|Laptop | Hi |
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