| 00:07.19 | *** part/#ubuntu-utah tonedevf (n=dave@155.100.73.249) |
| 00:08.38 | Zelut | too quiet around here |
| 00:10.02 | herlo | Zelut: lalalalalalal allaalalalalal al la l al al al allaala la la |
| 00:10.13 | herlo | laalal al al alalalala lala lala al al la la la la |
| 00:10.18 | herlo | better? |
| 00:10.27 | Zelut | uhh |
| 00:10.40 | Yorokobi | herlo, you're off pitch |
| 00:10.45 | Yorokobi | you sound horrible |
| 00:11.50 | herlo | Yorokobi: truE! |
| 00:12.04 | herlo | lal l al ala aaa aaaa llalalalalalalala lala |
| 00:12.24 | herlo | Yorokobi: not only am I off pitch, but my timing is off! |
| 00:12.34 | herlo | Zelut: will you be home for long? |
| 00:13.02 | Zelut | herlo: until i leave again on sunday.. and the sunday after that |
| 00:13.12 | herlo | Zelut: oh yeah |
| 00:13.13 | Zelut | herlo: houston, boston, tysons corner for me this month |
| 00:13.47 | herlo | Zelut: thanks for doing your presentation. I would suggest you talk to jsmith when you go to tyson's corner. You could go to dinner |
| 00:13.54 | Yorokobi | Tysons Corner? Virginia? |
| 00:13.57 | herlo | yup |
| 00:16.19 | Zelut | i had a good class this week.. except for one dude that probably should have been in the 033 |
| 00:16.25 | Zelut | ..and I'm doing the 300 |
| 00:28.40 | Zelut | man life is quiet only being in 3-4 channels again |
| 00:28.56 | etank | Zelut: kinda boring aint it |
| 00:29.10 | Zelut | etank: peaceful :) |
| 00:29.18 | etank | yeah that too |
| 00:29.36 | Zelut | i'm ready for some peace and quiet for once in a long time |
| 00:32.59 | herlo | Zelut: I'm doing the 300 as well. I have a couple really *cough* sick people. |
| 00:33.28 | Zelut | herlo: I've been getting sick this week |
| 00:33.56 | Zelut | herlo: I got all 5's except for one dude and his 4s. |
| 00:33.58 | herlo | A couple of the people taking the test (there are 3) have a good chance to pass. One opted out and another wasn't taking it in the first place |
| 00:34.14 | herlo | Zelut: I've not looked at my survey yet. |
| 00:35.15 | Zelut | I almost talked one out of it but he didn't want to spend more to take it again |
| 00:35.15 | Zelut | ...although its a waste of money either way because he's not going to pass anything |
| 00:35.40 | herlo | Zelut: I disagree that its a waste to take it. Think of it as an investment in the *next* test you take |
| 00:36.02 | Zelut | herlo: normally agreed, but he doesn't plan on taking it again |
| 00:36.04 | herlo | The benefit is that you'll know the format, and have an idea of how the test will be run, possibly what will be expected of you, etc... |
| 00:36.19 | herlo | Zelut: does he think he'll pass? |
| 00:36.39 | Zelut | herlo: i hope not.. don't think so |
| 00:37.12 | Zelut | I've got 5 people and I'm betting on 3 of 'em |
| 00:38.50 | Zelut | couple more weeks until Heroes comes back. w00t |
| 00:43.13 | Hearts|laptop | Heroes is good.. I am looking forward to House |
| 00:49.03 | Zelut | i like the character but every episode is the same |
| 00:49.29 | Zelut | someone gets sick. they can't figure it out. it gets worse. they fix it. yay. |
| 00:50.59 | herlo | Zelut: its a winning combination |
| 00:51.09 | herlo | Zelut: and don't forget the sex and intrigue! |
| 00:53.14 | Zelut | yeah i must have missed that part |
| 00:53.37 | Zelut | i can't seem to maintain an ssh connection for some reason |
| 00:54.37 | Hearts|laptop | what about BSG coming back in October |
| 00:54.56 | peno | house > BSG |
| 00:55.19 | Hearts|laptop | Whatever.... House never deliberately kills anyone |
| 00:55.33 | peno | jack bauer does. |
| 00:56.10 | Hearts|laptop | 24 is the best TV show to drink to |
| 00:56.27 | peno | drunkard |
| 00:57.14 | Hearts|laptop | Jack Bauer kills a terrorist take a shot, Jack Bauer disobeys a direct order take a shot, Jack Bauer screams "There isn't time!!!" take a shot |
| 00:57.20 | Zelut | 24 ftl |
| 00:57.26 | peno | : |
| 00:57.28 | peno | ( |
| 00:57.35 | Hearts|laptop | and that is a the only way 24 is fun |
| 00:57.55 | Hearts|laptop | s/a// |
| 00:58.07 | Hearts|laptop | oops |
| 00:58.48 | Zelut | i just hope heroes doesn't jump the shark from all their popularity |
| 01:00.44 | Zelut | i wish i had a presidential address filter on my TV |
| 01:01.30 | Hearts|laptop | I wish Comedy Central Daily show was do a simulcast commentary |
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| 01:02.00 | herlo | Hearts|laptop: BSG!! BSG!! |
| 01:02.23 | herlo | Hearts|laptop: when do we get to watch 24?! |
| 01:02.23 | Zelut | Lady in the Water is on HBO.. but that was about as dumb as the pres feeding us more BS |
| 01:02.39 | Yorokobi | When does BSG season 4 start? |
| 01:02.52 | Hearts|laptop | Greatest Ever... I love it when a skinjob toaster gets it |
| 01:03.05 | Hearts|laptop | October 20th something |
| 01:03.30 | Yorokobi | season 4 is the last one, yesno? |
| 01:03.36 | Hearts|laptop | yes |
| 01:03.57 | Hearts|laptop | They are losing veiwers since season 2 and want to go out on a high note |
| 01:04.21 | Yorokobi | Yeah, it got weird during 2.5 and 3 |
| 01:04.34 | Hearts|laptop | Yorokobi: I think its the 21st or 28th |
| 01:04.39 | mheath | Zelut: pong |
| 01:05.29 | peno | herlo: 24 starts in january. |
| 01:05.30 | Zelut | mheath: i found a kernel .config file on a gentoo site. Can I use that for a kernel-build? |
| 01:05.57 | Yorokobi | won't make menuconfig work for you Zelut ? |
| 01:06.02 | peno | bad juju to use someone else's .config, may not be the same setup as your hardware. |
| 01:06.12 | Zelut | Yorokobi: yes but I don't know what to configure is the problem |
| 01:06.25 | Hearts|laptop | peno: he could manually edit |
| 01:06.28 | Zelut | Yorokobi: the .config I found is supposed to be for a C2D macbook.. |
| 01:06.46 | Yorokobi | heh, <*> everything that matches your hardware |
| 01:07.02 | peno | Hearts|laptop: yah, but that's ugly to do by hand. |
| 01:07.03 | Zelut | Yorokobi: that's the thing, I guess I don't know my hardware that well |
| 01:07.08 | Yorokobi | hehe |
| 01:07.25 | Zelut | peno: but its for a second gen C2D macbook--should be the same hardware. |
| 01:07.39 | peno | Zelut: best way to learn, is try. you'll break a few kernels along the way. |
| 01:07.49 | Zelut | make menuconfig doesn't have a "check this box if you have a c2d, second gen macbook" |
| 01:07.58 | Yorokobi | lol, nope |
| 01:08.07 | peno | haha. as long as the hardware is the same, you *should* be fairly safe. |
| 01:08.24 | peno | Zelut: if heartsbane can recompile a kernel, you can do it. :) |
| 01:08.26 | Hearts|laptop | Zelut: still think the best way for your own kernel is still Debian |
| 01:08.56 | Zelut | Hearts|laptop: it seems no matter the distro I'm still going to need to know my hardware and the (cryptic) modules that go with it. |
| 01:09.05 | Hearts|laptop | peno: always gotta ripping the rug out from underneath me, don't you |
| 01:09.13 | Hearts|laptop | Zelut: ya good point |
| 01:09.15 | peno | Hearts|laptop: :) it's what I do. |
| 01:09.58 | peno | I would think that compiling on a mac would be similar to pc hardware. not having a mac, I can't say for sure. |
| 01:10.12 | Hearts|laptop | Zelut: hehehe |
| 01:10.13 | peno | probably a lot easier than configuring on sun. |
| 01:10.26 | Zelut | I understand the concept of customizing a kernel to just the hardware I have but if I miss something I don't want to recompile X number of times until I catch it all |
| 01:10.55 | Zelut | peno: mac is x86 c2d, shouldn't really be any different... just that our macs are prettier :) |
| 01:11.40 | Zelut | what is the real huge downside of having a "bloated" kernel? if the bloat is built as modules they wont be loaded anyway, right? |
| 01:11.51 | peno | in theory |
| 01:12.06 | peno | the kernel should match hardware if it's installed. |
| 01:12.14 | peno | if it's not loaded, it shouldn't load the module. |
| 01:12.16 | Zelut | maybe take up some disk space I guess, but disk space is cheap |
| 01:13.05 | peno | I haven't rolled a kernel in at least a year. |
| 01:13.41 | Zelut | again, this is why I asked if I could use the .config template that the gentoo folks posted for the same model/release I have. |
| 01:13.52 | peno | it probably would work. |
| 01:14.06 | Zelut | and you know how those gentoo nerds are :) |
| 01:14.15 | peno | just verify that the hardware you know is in your machine, is selected in the .config. |
| 01:14.16 | cyclone | They so crazy |
| 01:14.25 | peno | gentoo nerds do it 1% faster. |
| 01:14.32 | Zelut | w00t |
| 01:14.33 | cyclone | haha I loved that. |
| 01:15.06 | Hearts|laptop | gentoo nerds can do it 2% faster if they are using noatime for disk writes. |
| 01:15.13 | Zelut | noatime ftw |
| 01:15.30 | Hearts|laptop | :) |
| 01:16.24 | Yorokobi | then why bother? |
| 01:16.48 | cyclone | Just mark everything as a module like Hearts|laptop |
| 01:16.54 | Zelut | Yorokobi: is it worth bothering? am I going to notice? |
| 01:17.10 | Hearts|laptop | hehehe, I h8 you cyclone :) |
| 01:17.19 | cyclone | ;) |
| 01:18.02 | Yorokobi | Zelut, hard to say. I didn't start using packaged kernels until I switched from Debian to Kubuntu |
| 01:18.29 | cyclone | Yeah.. using old kernels is the way to go :D |
| 01:18.42 | cyclone | j/k j/k *zips it* |
| 01:21.05 | mheath | Zelut: You should customize the kernel .config. |
| 01:21.25 | cyclone | yeah.. like add echo "This is teh lame" |
| 01:21.36 | cyclone | DOH |
| 01:21.51 | mheath | Zelut: It sounds like there is a good chance I'll be presenting on kernel compilation at OALUG in a couple of weeks, if you're interested in attending. |
| 01:21.56 | Hearts|laptop | cyclone: what other solution is there |
| 01:22.02 | Zelut | mheath: if I'm in town.. |
| 01:22.40 | mheath | Oh, yeah, you're one of those traveling GL types |
| 01:22.41 | Zelut | Man this rep from RI is tearing the pres a new one |
| 01:23.03 | mheath | Yeah |
| 01:23.06 | Hearts|laptop | Zelut: good |
| 01:23.53 | Zelut | laws are bought. rep positions are bought. wars are bought. |
| 01:24.00 | mheath | rrr |
| 01:24.08 | mheath | Stupid comcast DNS going down again! |
| 01:25.12 | mheath | df/window 12 |
| 01:25.38 | cyclone | My comcast is the hosed. |
| 01:25.44 | cyclone | getting DSL next week YAY! |
| 01:26.29 | Zelut | get it with xmission |
| 01:26.37 | cyclone | OH yes.. that will be a forsure thing. |
| 01:26.45 | Zelut | xmission ftw |
| 01:26.49 | cyclone | ^_^ |
| 01:26.54 | Yorokobi | What does xm charge per month for DSL? |
| 01:26.59 | Hearts|laptop | 17 |
| 01:27.03 | Zelut | i think i pay $17 |
| 01:27.09 | cyclone | WOW.. they lowered it :D |
| 01:27.20 | Yorokobi | hmmm, $3/mo more than I pay my ISP |
| 01:27.23 | Zelut | i also have to bend over for qworst, but xmission is the only light in that tunnel. |
| 01:27.28 | Yorokobi | might be worth switching |
| 01:28.04 | cyclone | comcast is cheap and fast |
| 01:28.05 | Hearts|laptop | Yorokobi: who is your ISP? |
| 01:28.12 | cyclone | but NOT reliable |
| 01:28.13 | Zelut | comcast i hte suck |
| 01:28.15 | Yorokobi | Ikano/Sisna |
| 01:28.21 | cyclone | My comcast has been down almost a month |
| 01:28.22 | Zelut | *is |
| 01:28.29 | cyclone | 4 Engineer's assigned to come to my house and look. |
| 01:28.39 | cyclone | and they all claim (probably same one) That they come and see no problem. |
| 01:28.42 | cyclone | cept they never do. |
| 01:28.50 | mheath | As far as I know, you still can't get DSL at our house. |
| 01:29.05 | cyclone | and yet my internet is still hosed. Packets dropping like flys |
| 01:29.29 | Zelut | i love xmissions email setup. imaps, server-side filters, decent web interface |
| 01:29.42 | mheath | Well, for what its worth, turns out my problems a second ago weren't comcast, it was my router. |
| 01:29.47 | Hearts|laptop | 24 IRC support |
| 01:30.00 | mheath | My sill Linksys WRT54G runs Linux on it, but still has occasional hardware lockups |
| 01:30.12 | mheath | Where current connections continue to work fine, but can't get any new connections. |
| 01:30.14 | Hearts|laptop | 24 hour IRC Support, FTP, shell, etc.. |
| 01:30.20 | Zelut | if you sat in Pete's presentation at UTOSC you *have* to use xmission. that guy is the geekiest ceo ever :) |
| 01:30.39 | Zelut | Hearts|laptop: be careful throwing out that shell stuff. i don't have a shell |
| 01:30.51 | cyclone | Yeah you do |
| 01:30.55 | cyclone | if you have xm |
| 01:31.01 | cyclone | Just use the same login info's |
| 01:31.08 | mheath | Zelut: How does their bandwidth compare to Comcast, though? :) |
| 01:31.17 | cyclone | mheath: You can still get a 7 meg down. |
| 01:31.21 | Zelut | cyclone: i was told it was $10 more for a shell, which is ftl |
| 01:31.21 | cyclone | and a LOT better up |
| 01:31.23 | Yorokobi | Hearts|laptop, I have my ISP's NOC staff on IM, plus their phone number. |
| 01:31.26 | Hearts|laptop | cyclone: he hasn't talked to Justin ... I even talked to MP at lunch to get him the hookup |
| 01:31.35 | mheath | If I can't have Utopia, I gotta say, 10 megc Peaks down rock |
| 01:31.42 | cyclone | WOW I didn't know they charged extra.. that's new to me. |
| 01:32.06 | mheath | Zelut: About your kernel config, though... |
| 01:32.12 | Zelut | cyclone: i didn't know either.. until i asked in irc and they wanted to add it to my bill |
| 01:32.13 | mheath | Just menuconfig, and go through the otpions step-by-step |
| 01:32.17 | mheath | It will take some time, yeah. |
| 01:32.24 | cyclone | Zelut: that is ftl :( Sorry mate |
| 01:32.44 | mheath | But most of the options or the help for them is pretty straight forward |
| 01:32.50 | Hearts|laptop | cyclone: if you are not legacy, then they are pushing $10, but If someone talked to someone like MP or Justin he could swing it |
| 01:33.04 | Zelut | Hearts|laptop: what qualifies as legacy? |
| 01:33.06 | Hearts|laptop | Yorokobi: cool |
| 01:33.18 | cyclone | Hearts|laptop: kk I'll make sure I hit up Justin when I get my accnt |
| 01:33.32 | cyclone | Zelut: Let me see if our xm boyz can hookz ya up man. |
| 01:33.32 | mheath | I'd say at least 80% of the options, as long as you're pretty familiar with Linux, you'll have an easy time figuring out yes or no |
| 01:33.42 | Hearts|laptop | Zelut: MP said something about 3 years ago, running out of room for shells |
| 01:33.44 | mheath | And for a custom kernel, don't worry about Module / BUiltin. Just do it all builtin. |
| 01:33.58 | cyclone | Off to sushi.. talk to you guys tomorrow(since comcast SUCKS and I have no intrawebs). |
| 01:34.06 | Zelut | cyclone: I had xmission on utopia for a long time before i moved. a deactivated my account for a month or so and then reactivated on dsl. that makes me old-school :) |
| 01:34.16 | Zelut | Hearts|laptop: ..ok, I'm not *that* old school |
| 01:34.40 | cyclone | Didn't Pete show us the shells server? |
| 01:34.43 | cyclone | Was a P3 or something |
| 01:34.43 | cyclone | lol |
| 01:34.47 | peno | yes |
| 01:34.50 | peno | p3 600 |
| 01:34.50 | cyclone | I'll donate to xm a new server |
| 01:34.53 | cyclone | for more shells |
| 01:35.04 | cyclone | I'd totally open up antitech.org for it. |
| 01:35.14 | peno | pete also said they're putting a new shell server in place soon |
| 01:35.20 | cyclone | aahhh kewl |
| 01:35.30 | peno | yah |
| 01:35.31 | cyclone | Yeah he was saying how impressed he was at how popular it was. |
| 01:35.49 | cyclone | That Pete sure knows how to feed us geeks. :D |
| 01:36.18 | cyclone | ON a sorta similar note, antitech.org is getting new hardware Monday. WEEEEEE |
| 01:36.33 | Zelut | more than half the cost of the ISP connection just for a shell. that's ridiculous. |
| 01:36.40 | cyclone | peno: What's the most requested game to host that the fragfarm might want more of? |
| 01:37.01 | cyclone | Zelut: I agree.. I'll give ya a shell mate :D |
| 01:37.12 | cyclone | It's at xm to |
| 01:37.13 | cyclone | hehe |
| 01:37.31 | Hearts|laptop | Zelut: would you like a geek lunch with XM, I would really like to invite Mike Place to speak on Linux Performance Tuning at a LoCo |
| 01:37.46 | Hearts|laptop | Zelut: his presentation was very rushed, because of time |
| 01:37.57 | Hearts|laptop | not very interactive |
| 01:38.16 | cyclone | alright.. I'm out. Take care guys. |
| 01:38.21 | Zelut | that stuff is black magic voodoo |
| 01:38.22 | mheath | cyclone: Have fun. |
| 01:38.26 | cyclone | Zelut: Let me know forsure if you want. |
| 01:38.26 | Zelut | and I told him as much :) |
| 01:38.36 | cyclone | mheath: Thank ya mister ^_^ |
| 01:38.42 | Hearts|laptop | cyclone: later |
| 01:40.29 | Zelut | i'm going to try and go to bed. |
| 01:40.48 | peno | cyclone: don't know. |
| 01:41.34 | mheath | Zelut: Kinda early, or are you on another time zone from us? |
| 01:42.01 | Zelut | mheath: i'm in another time zone. i'm rarely in MDT these days :) |
| 01:42.11 | mheath | Heh |
| 01:42.14 | mheath | I'd love a job like that |
| 01:42.19 | mheath | Traveling around, teaching tech stuff |
| 01:42.49 | Zelut | i showed the class how to use their email powers for evil today. |
| 01:43.02 | Zelut | telnet localhost 25, send mail as other people. its fun |
| 01:43.03 | mheath | hah, how so? |
| 01:43.06 | mheath | oh, heh |
| 01:43.29 | Zelut | that is why gpg sigs should be used :) |
| 01:43.39 | herlo | Zelut: is that what you call it? email powers for evil! |
| 01:43.47 | mheath | Mmmhmm. :P |
| 01:44.02 | Zelut | herlo: i told them to always use their powers for good, of course. |
| 01:44.05 | Yorokobi | I always called it SMTP debugging :) |
| 01:44.34 | mheath | If they're taking these classes, chances are they're admining computers, aren't they? |
| 01:44.46 | Zelut | yeah |
| 01:44.50 | mheath | Seems like if they're admin / have root, they could do far more evil acts of impersonation than send an e-mail as someone else P |
| 01:46.08 | herlo | Zelut: oh good! |
| 01:46.31 | Zelut | herlo: we had fun this week |
| 01:46.56 | herlo | Zelut: I was completely wiped out on Monday. I need to start having more fun again |
| 01:47.51 | Zelut | herlo: i don't know if it was my network or what but my class can only pxe/nfs install 4 machines at a time |
| 01:49.04 | herlo | Zelut: was it dog slow? Or was it just not booting from pxe? |
| 01:49.24 | Zelut | herlo: couldn't mount directory from server, while the others were flying away installing. |
| 01:49.40 | Zelut | herlo: if I wait for one to finish and try again it'll start just fine |
| 01:52.39 | Zelut | i'm outta here |
| 01:53.36 | mheath | Zelut: Have a good night. |
| 02:01.03 | herlo | Zelut: strange. Gnight. I'm just starting my installs |
| 02:05.40 | Zelut | herlo: they booted me out. i have to setup in the morning :( |
| 02:08.34 | herlo | Zelut: where are you? |
| 02:08.48 | Zelut | herlo: houston |
| 02:09.37 | herlo | Zelut: what's up with that? They did that to me too... |
| 02:12.43 | Zelut | herlo: lamers. did you have any trouble getting to the airport? my flight out is at 6:00 |
| 02:14.12 | herlo | Zelut: no, it was pretty easy |
| 02:16.08 | Zelut | hope it is tomorrow |
| 02:16.27 | herlo | yeah, not too bad IIRC |
| 02:16.30 | Zelut | anyone know how to pull down the package source with aptitude? I only remember how with apt-get |
| 02:16.44 | Zelut | herlo: gmaps shows 30min. my students said two hours |
| 02:18.25 | Hearts|laptop | Zelut: is it not the same with aptitude |
| 02:20.00 | Zelut | Hearts|laptop: so can i do it without using apt-get? |
| 02:20.39 | Hearts|laptop | Zelut: should ... now I am curious |
| 02:21.03 | herlo | Zelut: I'd say gmaps is more correct. But it does depend on what time you leave the TC |
| 02:21.21 | herlo | As long as you leave by about 3:30-4pm you should be fine |
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| 02:28.22 | Hearts|laptop | Zelut: I thought most source for packages were liste as <package_name>-source? is that incorrect? |
| 02:29.04 | Zelut | Hearts|laptop: i used to use apt-source package i think? don't remember it having a new name |
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| 03:05.33 | Hearts|laptop | Night |
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| 04:12.24 | atoponce | Heartsbane: what happened to running irssi? |
| 04:13.09 | sontek | are you switching to zsh? |
| 04:13.31 | sontek | isn't zsh interactive only? |
| 04:14.33 | atoponce | not sure, actually |
| 04:14.43 | atoponce | it's 10x more powerful than bash |
| 04:14.45 | atoponce | that's for sure |
| 04:15.13 | sontek | pssh |
| 04:16.09 | atoponce | first off *everything* is configurable |
| 04:16.22 | atoponce | it's like the kde of shells |
| 04:17.17 | sontek | I prefer gnome =) |
| 04:17.59 | atoponce | second, floating point arithmatic |
| 04:18.06 | atoponce | third, hashtables |
| 04:18.12 | sontek | w00t |
| 04:18.14 | sontek | i'm sold |
| 04:18.17 | atoponce | fourth, better tab completion |
| 04:18.29 | atoponce | the list just goes on and on |
| 04:20.13 | SorenStoutner | atoponce: Gracias. |
| 04:20.22 | atoponce | de nada |
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| 04:22.00 | SorenStoutner | atoponce: so what does it mean that zsh does hashtables? |
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| 04:23.28 | atoponce | SorenStoutner: from a scripting standpoint. basically, setting up associative arrays, or dictionaries |
| 04:23.33 | atoponce | key/value pairs |
| 04:25.32 | atoponce | telephone books are a good example of hash tables |
| 04:26.34 | atoponce | each key (the person's name- must be unique) is assigned a phone number (the value- a one-to-one relationship) |
| 04:28.54 | SorenStoutner | So you can work with arrays with scripts. |
| 04:28.57 | SorenStoutner | That's pretty cool. |
| 04:29.07 | atoponce | well, arrays are different |
| 04:29.16 | SorenStoutner | What an example of how it does tab completion better. |
| 04:29.21 | atoponce | with an array, the 'key' is a number |
| 04:29.22 | SorenStoutner | An array with two columns. |
| 04:29.44 | atoponce | with a hash table, the key can be a string, an object, a number... |
| 04:29.55 | atoponce | they're quite a bit different |
| 04:30.22 | atoponce | arr[0]="apple" would be an array |
| 04:30.45 | atoponce | arr{"apple": "red"} would be a hash table |
| 04:31.10 | atoponce | for the tab completion, you're familiar with the double-tab in bash? |
| 04:31.44 | atoponce | well, you can change the behavior of the double-tab to cycle through results, rather than printing out them to stdout |
| 04:32.00 | atoponce | like the way irssi or vim behaves |
| 04:35.04 | SorenStoutner | That's cool. |
| 04:35.12 | SorenStoutner | Maybe I'll have to check out zsh. |
| 04:35.16 | SorenStoutner | Are there any downsides? |
| 04:35.29 | atoponce | sontek: to answer your question, zsh is a login shell too. not just interactive |
| 04:35.39 | atoponce | SorenStoutner: nope. that's why i'm switching. :) |
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| 05:09.46 | tgelter | hey all |
| 05:14.32 | sontek | hey |
| 05:14.45 | tgelter | alright, there is some action in here |
| 05:15.08 | sontek | there always is |
| 05:15.26 | tgelter | so do you have much experience with compiz-fusion? |
| 05:15.29 | tgelter | I'm having a weird problem |
| 05:15.40 | sontek | I used to run it |
| 05:15.48 | sontek | There is a compiz channel on here though |
| 05:16.08 | tgelter | yeah, I'll check there, I hadn't thought of that |
| 05:16.08 | sontek | #compiz-fusion |
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| 12:04.31 | Zelut | morning |
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| 13:52.08 | atoponce | |phoenyx|: good post about Al Gore |
| 13:52.26 | atoponce | i get tired of explaining it over and over and over to conservatives and people who don't listen |
| 13:52.52 | atoponce | |phoenyx|: btw- i notcied that you're publishing full feeds, versus summaries. what was the problem? |
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| 14:31.16 | Zelut | does putty support dynamic tunneling, like the -D option? |
| 14:33.28 | tonedevf | Zelut: it does |
| 14:33.53 | tonedevf | in the connection category, choose Connection > SSH > Tunnels |
| 14:33.58 | Zelut | tonedevf: happen to know how to config it? I'm trying to help my wife setup putty from memory, and its been a LONG time |
| 14:34.06 | herlo | Zelut: I was gonna say that I though it did. I think its with a putty friedn or something |
| 14:34.35 | herlo | Zelut: is your wife using a mac? |
| 14:34.42 | Zelut | herlo: XP at work |
| 14:34.52 | herlo | Zelut: ahh, rdp then :) |
| 14:34.56 | Zelut | herlo: she doesn't want IT spying on her |
| 14:35.14 | tonedevf | so subversive ; ) |
| 14:35.19 | Zelut | herlo: I just want to setup an ssh tunnel so she can use that for her browsing and whatever else she does. |
| 14:35.21 | herlo | Zelut: no, for you to help her, use rdp, once you get it up and running,... |
| 14:35.51 | Zelut | tonedevf: so the tunnels section just needs the local port and the destination and that's similar to -D? |
| 14:35.51 | tonedevf | http://www.google.com/search?q=ssh+tunnel+putty there's some fine how-tos in there |
| 14:37.11 | tonedevf | there's a Dynamic radio button in the Tunnels panel. i've not used it enough to tell you exactly what to do. i usually stumble through it enough to save a connection profile and then promptly forget how i did it ; ) |
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| 14:39.44 | Zelut | oh |
| 14:41.17 | tonedevf | you want the -D option so that all traffic gets tunneled? I would agree with herlo that the best option is rdp or vnc to a desktop back at home. |
| 14:42.24 | Zelut | I don't have a desktop machine to vnc to, just a server. |
| 14:42.43 | Zelut | should be able to dynamic tunnel and then tell FF to use localhost:port and tunnel the connections. |
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| 15:25.26 | Zelut | she's connecting through a proxy now which seems to be giving me problems. |
| 15:27.43 | Zelut | should i have to go through the current proxy port? |
| 15:33.53 | cyclone | heya Zelut |
| 15:34.02 | Zelut | heya |
| 15:34.05 | cyclone | What're ya up to? |
| 15:34.24 | cyclone | tunneling web traffic through an ssh tunnel? |
| 15:34.26 | Zelut | cyclone: trying to remotely help my wife setup an ssh tunnel via putty to bypass her office proxy |
| 15:34.43 | Zelut | but she keeps getting "connection timed out" errors when trying to open the connection. |
| 15:34.52 | cyclone | If she wants can have her hit my xmission box. Then she can use xmission's proxy. |
| 15:35.15 | Zelut | I have a box for her, she just can't seem to get the tunnel out |
| 15:35.22 | cyclone | hrmmm |
| 15:35.36 | cyclone | What proxy you using? Squid? |
| 15:35.45 | cyclone | And you thinking it's not the proxy? |
| 15:37.02 | Zelut | just realized I didn't have her in the AllowUsers list. that might be a problem :) |
| 15:37.09 | cyclone | hehe |
| 15:37.51 | cyclone | It's early ;) |
| 15:38.01 | Zelut | it is |
| 15:38.08 | Zelut | and I'm tired and I'm getting sick. |
| 15:38.14 | cyclone | UGH! |
| 15:38.28 | cyclone | you'll be home soon though eh? |
| 15:39.04 | Zelut | tonite.. pending any natural disasters or missed flights. |
| 15:39.17 | cyclone | OH nice. |
| 15:39.27 | cyclone | Well the weather is fantastic in Utah. |
| 15:39.37 | Zelut | and then sunday its off to boston |
| 15:39.42 | cyclone | ugh |
| 15:39.57 | cyclone | glad you got a wife that can handle that.. cause I sure don't |
| 15:39.58 | cyclone | heh |
| 15:40.46 | thaddeusq | Zelut: but if you're sick, you can just call in sick. I'm sure the students will understand. :) |
| 15:41.16 | Zelut | thaddeusq: ohh of course |
| 15:41.37 | Zelut | when I get home I'm drugging up and sleeping until I leave again |
| 15:41.56 | thaddeusq | That should make for a great weekend. |
| 15:42.09 | cyclone | That's pretty much all I do with my weekends. |
| 15:42.13 | cyclone | cept the drug up part |
| 15:42.30 | Zelut | thaddeusq: well its boston and then tyson's corner.. I've got to try to get un-sick at some point. |
| 15:43.34 | Zelut | thaddeusq: i was supposed to be home this week and it'd just be two, but we lost Clair so a few had to make up the weeks. |
| 15:44.18 | thaddeusq | "travel was supposed to slow down, but, then Thad left...." |
| 15:44.35 | Zelut | thaddeusq: yeah, its always the same excuse. it'll never slow down. |
| 15:44.47 | Zelut | its all lies at GL |
| 15:44.47 | thaddeusq | Zelut: Think they'll ever hire enough to truly meet the demand? |
| 15:45.20 | Zelut | thaddeusq: they'll just take more work. the demand will raise with the employees |
| 15:46.12 | thaddeusq | Zelut: I guess it's good that business is booming. Good for somebody |
| 15:46.25 | Zelut | thaddeusq: good for the owners I'm sure. |
| 15:46.33 | Zelut | good to have job security. i shouldn't complain |
| 15:46.33 | thaddeusq | Zelut: but hey, you'll get a bonus for the week in TC. |
| 15:47.12 | Zelut | thaddeusq: actually I had to waive the bonus (really stupid). requesting to be home the week of UTOSC means I "volunteered" for 3 weeks in a row vs the scheduled 1 on, off, 2 on. |
| 15:47.35 | Zelut | thaddeusq: so that disqualifies me. i think its BS |
| 15:48.38 | thaddeusq | Zelut: What? I thought GL didn't have PHB's |
| 15:48.59 | thaddeusq | Zelut: That certainly sounds like a stunt you'd get from a PHB. |
| 15:49.41 | Zelut | thaddeusq: I don't know what PHB is, but I know who Dax is and it sounds like a stunt you'd get from Dax. |
| 15:50.04 | thaddeusq | Zelut: PHB = Pointy Haired Boss |
| 15:50.07 | Zelut | but, as we always say, I like my job. its fun. theres just "those things" |
| 15:50.11 | Zelut | ahh |
| 15:50.57 | Zelut | I've referred two people to work now, one has been interviewed. lets get some people on board. |
| 15:51.12 | Zelut | sontek: start working there already :) |
| 15:51.51 | thaddeusq | Zelut: It sounds like some things have changed. Dax used to regularly ask me where my preference was to travel to. Maybe he knew if he pulled something like that on me, I would have quit on him on the spot. |
| 15:53.54 | thaddeusq | Zelut: regardless of what Dax thinks, continuous travel is not one of the positives of the job. |
| 15:57.20 | sontek | Zelut: they said they were going to send me the contract last saturday, still haven't got it =) |
| 15:57.27 | sontek | Zelut: its not me delaying the process ;) |
| 15:58.38 | thaddeusq | sontek: Maybe your spam filter ate it. :) |
| 15:59.34 | sontek | thaddeusq: gmail isn't that smart |
| 15:59.36 | sontek | :D |
| 16:00.24 | sontek | thaddeusq: they did the samething after my interview, they were like "we'll be calling with an offer soon!" and then 2 weeks later they called :P |
| 16:01.07 | sontek | but I can't put in my 2 weeks until I have a contract, and they wanted me to start Oct 1 :P |
| 16:02.29 | herlo | sontek: you should remind them of that. Dax and Bryan just get busy and need reminders from time to tome |
| 16:02.32 | herlo | time |
| 16:02.46 | Zelut | I just counted in the calendar. Starting from my first week out I've been home 8 of 26 weeks. |
| 16:03.01 | sontek | herlo: I think it'll be a good lesson for them ;p |
| 16:03.13 | herlo | nope, they don't learn like that |
| 16:03.22 | thaddeusq | sontek: You're believing they learn from their mistakes? |
| 16:03.41 | sontek | thaddeusq: if they don't I really don't want to work with them =) |
| 16:03.54 | herlo | sontek: you've not yet worked there. It'll make sense soon enough. They're great, but they run it their way |
| 16:03.55 | Zelut | yeah, they don't. how many people have left this year? |
| 16:03.57 | Zelut | ...they don't learn. |
| 16:04.27 | thaddeusq | Zelut: Hey only three instructors have left this year. |
| 16:04.41 | herlo | Zelut: I think thaddeusq is correct |
| 16:05.07 | herlo | Zelut: they are learning but they learn different lessons from it methinks |
| 16:05.46 | thaddeusq | herlo: screw all instructors because they're all going to jump at a better offer anyways? |
| 16:06.35 | herlo | thaddeusq: oh, if only that were true! |
| 16:06.48 | herlo | I would have already left three times over |
| 16:07.04 | Zelut | man we make GL sound like a horrible, horrible place to work. |
| 16:07.59 | thaddeusq | herlo: true, I turned down two offers (solid, written, offers) before accepting one. |
| 16:09.02 | Zelut | i see it as a great place to learn and catapult your career, but not a career |
| 16:09.10 | Zelut | ..unless you're lamont and can't work any place else :) |
| 16:09.16 | thaddeusq | Zelut: I don't think GL is a horrible place to work. I'll never regret working there, however, it's not as rosy as Dax and Bryan would like to think it is. |
| 16:09.30 | herlo | Zelut: thaddeusq: I love my job, or I would have left! |
| 16:09.45 | Zelut | thaddeusq: yeah, it has benefits but when gurus sit and talk its all bitching and moaning. |
| 16:10.04 | thaddeusq | Zelut: I'll never regret working there, however, I don't regret leaving when I did either. |
| 16:10.48 | thaddeusq | If I were single, without a steady girlfriend, I'd probably still be there. |
| 16:11.38 | Zelut | thaddeusq: so that explains stuart |
| 16:11.56 | thaddeusq | Zelut: :) |
| 16:12.11 | Zelut | ..but was the reason gooz left if i recall. he needed to get a date |
| 16:15.02 | thaddeusq | So maybe the job ads should match the pony express job ads? "Wanted. Young, skinny, wiry fellows not over 18. Must be expert riders, willing to risk death daily. Orphans preferred." |
| 16:15.28 | Zelut | perhaps |
| 16:23.02 | sontek | I've had my gf for 6 years |
| 16:23.07 | sontek | i'm not trying to impress her anymore ;) |
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| 17:27.00 | |phoenyx| | atoponce: (late response) thanks. I never did figure out how to get full feeds working with wordpress. I got so frustrated with wordpress that I switched to mephisto (a ruby-based blogging system). |
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| 17:41.47 | tapH20guru | how do I tell what verion of nfs i'm running? (Nasty SuSE box) |
| 17:44.59 | synic | ask the package manager? |
| 17:52.41 | Zelut | if you can find your way thru YaST you're a better man than I. |
| 17:53.00 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 17:53.50 | Zelut | maybe 'rug list nfs*' and find the installed package? |
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| 18:04.32 | herlo | tapH20guru: use rpm |
| 18:04.36 | herlo | tapH20guru: rpm -q nfs |
| 18:04.42 | tapH20guru | thx |
| 18:04.45 | herlo | rpm -qa | grep nfs |
| 18:06.14 | cyclone | herlo: Was you the guy that was helping me with that syslog problem at the UTOS convention? |
| 18:06.32 | cyclone | at the trouble shooting class |
| 18:06.36 | herlo | cyclone: could be... |
| 18:06.47 | cyclone | Where we were the last ones |
| 18:06.49 | herlo | cyclone: It was a big blur... |
| 18:06.58 | herlo | cyclone: refresh my memory |
| 18:07.10 | cyclone | The guy that was there went to go find Zelut cause we wasn't sure if we fixed the problem or not. |
| 18:07.12 | cyclone | hehe |
| 18:07.17 | cyclone | ended up we actually had it fixed in the first place. |
| 18:07.25 | cyclone | With a line in the /etc/syslong.conf |
| 18:07.34 | herlo | It wasn't me |
| 18:07.38 | cyclone | ahhh kk |
| 18:07.50 | cyclone | He showed me rpm -qa also |
| 18:07.54 | Zelut | i remember breaking it, but not helping you fix it. |
| 18:07.59 | herlo | Zelut and I know about the same when it comes to syslog probably.... |
| 18:08.02 | cyclone | oh.. it wasn't you Zelut |
| 18:08.08 | cyclone | Everone left |
| 18:08.16 | Zelut | I just found that aptitude has a minesweeper game built in. |
| 18:08.17 | herlo | cyclone: did we kcik you out? |
| 18:08.23 | cyclone | nope |
| 18:08.31 | herlo | okay. Must have been on Friday night? |
| 18:08.33 | cyclone | the Room was empty after I left. I tried to find people cause I was worried. |
| 18:08.34 | Zelut | but I still can't figure out how to pull down the source with aptitude vs apt-get source. |
| 18:08.39 | cyclone | nope was Saturday |
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| 18:09.24 | cyclone | That guy was awesome.. helped me out a ton. |
| 18:09.33 | cyclone | Couldn't find him either.. he went to go look for you Zelut. |
| 18:09.37 | cyclone | owell |
| 18:09.51 | cyclone | Maybe at the BBQ I can put faces to names ^_^ |
| 18:09.57 | herlo | ya |
| 18:10.09 | cyclone | Except I'll try to avoid Heartsbane's face. *ducks* |
| 18:10.18 | cyclone | j/k I know some folks in here. |
| 18:10.26 | cyclone | Heartsbane included. |
| 18:10.46 | synic | no you don't, you're just trying to feel loved. |
| 18:11.10 | herlo | ~lart synic |
| 18:11.10 | jbot | slaps synic upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 18:11.18 | herlo | synic: its about the community man :) |
| 18:11.44 | synic | hey, sure sure, but I am _required_ to harass cyclone |
| 18:11.53 | tapH20guru | what do you guys like? Zenoss, Zabbix, nagios? |
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| 18:12.13 | herlo | synic: true |
| 18:12.29 | cyclone | hehe |
| 18:12.31 | cyclone | yeah synic |
| 18:12.36 | cyclone | be nice ^_^ |
| 18:12.43 | mheath | When is this BBQ everyone mentions? |
| 18:13.06 | synic | cyclone: I'll be forwarding all 7:30 calls in the morning from paul to you. Just FYI. |
| 18:13.16 | cyclone | I just turn my phone off. |
| 18:13.18 | cyclone | hehe |
| 18:13.22 | cyclone | He called me the other day |
| 18:13.25 | cyclone | saying you wasn't picking up. |
| 18:13.29 | cyclone | Over something REALLY dumb. |
| 18:13.43 | synic | that's cause he always calls while I'm in the car about to get in an accident |
| 18:13.45 | mheath | Maybe people don't want me to come to said BBQ =P |
| 18:13.46 | cyclone | The guy needs to set his priorities a bit better. |
| 18:13.59 | cyclone | mheath: I've heard as much about it as you mate. |
| 18:14.00 | synic | about some crap that doesn't even matter |
| 18:14.06 | Yorokobi | tapH20guru, I've only ever used Nagios (PITA to set up) but I hear good things about Zabbix. Eventually, we'll be using it where I work. |
| 18:14.06 | synic | take this morning, for example |
| 18:14.13 | maquis | mheath: if i knew, i'd tell you |
| 18:14.17 | cyclone | haha he called you this mornign? |
| 18:14.17 | synic | trac was down. He was freaking out. |
| 18:14.31 | tapH20guru | i done plenty of nagions, but looing at zabbix / zenoss |
| 18:14.35 | mheath | maquis: cyclone: Yeah, I know, I'm just joking :) |
| 18:15.01 | cyclone | synic: hahaha |
| 18:18.37 | cyclone | synic: Maybe we can have a meeting with Paul and others and discuss what is of high priority and what is not. |
| 18:22.12 | fizz | high priority = him shutting up. |
| 18:22.45 | fizz | low priority = his priorities. |
| 18:23.05 | synic | highest priority = food |
| 18:24.00 | maquis | i'm with synic |
| 18:24.36 | maquis | food makes early-morning pages much better |
| 18:24.57 | Zelut | just submitted a really obscure bug |
| 18:25.02 | Zelut | launchpad ftw |
| 18:25.55 | mheath | Zelut: yeah, no kidding. |
| 18:26.15 | Zelut | i found another (maybe?) easter egg too. just posted it on my blog. |
| 18:26.17 | mheath | Launchpad is the single biggest reason Ubuntu is able to improve and thrive so much. |
| 18:26.37 | Zelut | not sure if its an easter egg or just something not many people know about, but i thought it was worth blogging. |
| 18:27.07 | Zelut | mheath: i have a dedicated saved tab for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu so I can submit them easily when I find them. |
| 18:27.32 | mheath | hey, anyone here use Ubuntu on a laptop? |
| 18:27.38 | Zelut | yes |
| 18:27.45 | fizz | indeed |
| 18:27.55 | mheath | Any chance you use NDISwrapper for wireless? |
| 18:28.03 | Zelut | yeah |
| 18:28.16 | Zelut | madwifi is still b0rken on the second gen macbook |
| 18:28.22 | mheath | How does NDISwrapper play with Hibernate? |
| 18:28.44 | cyclone | mheath: not having problems here. |
| 18:28.56 | cyclone | other then Linux doesn't play very nice with Hibernate |
| 18:28.58 | mheath | I'm currently using native drivers, but they get KILLED in hibernate. |
| 18:29.05 | cyclone | but that's the hardware companies fault. |
| 18:29.22 | mheath | Hibernating puts my wireless in a state where I can't even manually bring it back up |
| 18:29.28 | cyclone | I had to write a little hibernate sh script |
| 18:29.29 | mheath | Have to reset the machine before it will work again |
| 18:29.53 | cyclone | It would rmmmod and modprobe back my Wireless card on my IBM Thinkpad |
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| 18:30.05 | mheath | cyclone: where would you stick those scripts? |
| 18:30.11 | cyclone | on Ubuntu? |
| 18:30.14 | mheath | Yeah |
| 18:30.34 | cyclone | in /etc/acpi/resume.d |
| 18:30.58 | Zelut | i don't bother much with hibernate / suspend. |
| 18:31.11 | cyclone | I use it a lot.. I do a lot of reading of uhmmm Eboooks. |
| 18:31.23 | cyclone | and when I get home I'm totally wireless |
| 18:31.40 | cyclone | My Laptop > my desktops in my dusty office |
| 18:31.48 | mheath | Zelut: Ah, Ok |
| 18:32.44 | Zelut | i did suspend for a while and it works well enough on the macbook but I got out of the habit |
| 18:33.01 | cyclone | works ssooo good on macbooks |
| 18:33.19 | cyclone | and they work better on latter ThinkPads to |
| 18:33.31 | cyclone | I still have a hell of a time with it on my Compaq lappy though :-/ |
| 18:34.21 | Zelut | thats because its a compaq. never buy those or emachines garbage |
| 18:34.42 | mheath | my compaq laptop was cheap and works fine in windows, and normally works fine in Linux.. |
| 18:34.52 | cyclone | Zelut: your mindsweeper easter egg reminded me of this: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1770138 |
| 18:35.04 | mheath | But hibernate or suspend WRECK the wireless |
| 18:35.17 | mheath | I haven't figured out what they do to it |
| 18:36.41 | Yorokobi | minesweeper in aptitude isn't an easter egg, it is documented and available via the menu (Ctrl-T) |
| 18:37.20 | cyclone | Zelut: That one doesn't have any swearing.. and it's not to bad. |
| 18:38.06 | Zelut | Yorokobi: yeah, easter egg might not be the best term.. but "generally unknown time waster" |
| 18:38.52 | Yorokobi | yeah, similar to playing tetris during OS installs :) |
| 18:44.58 | Zelut | two bugs |
| 18:45.03 | Zelut | when i start submitting i can't stop |
| 18:45.48 | Zelut | yet i only have 315 karma. :( |
| 18:50.55 | maquis | *yawn* |
| 18:51.19 | thaddeusq | maquis: don't do that it's contagious |
| 18:51.25 | maquis | thaddeusq: sorry |
| 18:53.00 | maquis | *grumble* |
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| 19:10.47 | tristanbob | http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB118963540721725614-FnJzx_wcNlkRFOef4cgq74PBW3g_20080912.html |
| 19:11.21 | Zelut | is there an easy way to manage replies when using digest mode in mailing lists? |
| 19:43.10 | Zelut | ~headbutt Heartsbane |
| 19:43.20 | Zelut | ~lart jbot for being worthless |
| 19:43.20 | jbot | does a little 'dpkg -P zelut' action for being worthless |
| 19:43.28 | Zelut | d'oh! |
| 19:45.15 | Heartsbane | That would be funny if it were followed by a kick. |
| 19:45.23 | Heartsbane | well funnier |
| 19:45.35 | herlo | ~kick Heartsbane |
| 19:45.36 | jbot | ACTION kicks Heartsbane |
| 19:45.50 | Heartsbane | k now its funnier |
| 19:46.05 | herlo | Heartsbane: you *are* most welcome! |
| 19:47.26 | Zelut | ~whale Heartsbane |
| 19:47.43 | Heartsbane | FAIL |
| 19:48.13 | Heartsbane | Zelut: you don't need jbot, herlo can do that |
| 19:48.44 | Zelut | ~timebomb |
| 19:48.45 | jbot | ~timebomb5 |
| 19:48.50 | Zelut | err |
| 19:48.57 | Heartsbane | Everyone enjoying Friday? |
| 19:49.01 | peno | no |
| 19:49.04 | Heartsbane | !timebomb |
| 19:49.06 | UtahBot | Heartsbane: Error: "timebomb" is not a valid command. |
| 19:49.11 | Heartsbane | Dang |
| 19:49.14 | Zelut | b0rk3n |
| 19:49.16 | Yorokobi | I think atoponce disabled it |
| 19:49.52 | Heartsbane | Only because we were being disruptive during encryption as he showing off his fancy math cyphers |
| 19:50.12 | herlo | ~timebomb Heartsbane |
| 19:50.17 | Heartsbane | FAIL |
| 19:50.20 | herlo | ~bomb Heartsbane |
| 19:50.21 | jbot | ACTION drops a humongous exploding nuke on Heartsbane |
| 19:50.26 | Zelut | $1024 for a C2D, 2G DDR2, 160G HDD, CD/DVD burner in a 6"x6"x2" case. not bad.. |
| 19:50.44 | Heartsbane | you selling or buying? |
| 19:51.00 | Zelut | buying |
| 19:51.11 | Zelut | maybe I'll do $120G for $75 less. |
| 19:51.25 | Zelut | what I really want/need is a network-based file storage. |
| 19:51.40 | Zelut | I would love to get a TB or at least 500G and just plug it into the switch |
| 19:51.46 | herlo | Zelut: 120G? What happened to 500G? |
| 19:51.57 | herlo | Zelut: freeNAS |
| 19:52.07 | Zelut | herlo: 120/160 is what this vendor offers in that tiny case.. |
| 19:52.57 | herlo | ahh |
| 19:53.01 | Zelut | herlo: make your own NAS ehh? |
| 19:53.03 | herlo | Zelut: is it a lappy hdd? |
| 19:53.17 | Yorokobi | vendor url? |
| 19:53.26 | herlo | Zelut: yeah, I'm gonna be doing that soon. I apparently supports fake iSCSI too |
| 19:53.29 | herlo | so you can have a SAN |
| 19:53.39 | Zelut | Yorokobi: apple store, for the mac mini |
| 19:53.48 | Heartsbane | Zelut I have a Intel Inbusiness Storage Station, just for that, but it is hardly 500GB |
| 19:54.28 | Zelut | I'm thinking about doing a mac mini, cut into 3-4 VMs with openVZ and run my servers from there. |
| 19:54.48 | Zelut | mount my servers on the wall and all together they are smaller than the switch it plugs into lol |
| 19:55.10 | Zelut | then I can toss out these full size PC case servers that just take up room and power. |
| 19:56.04 | thaddeusq | Zelut: But what will heat your house in the winter time, then? |
| 19:56.45 | Zelut | thaddeusq: my gas bill I'm sure. I have a server-closet in the garage in the new house.. it'd only heat the garage anyway. |
| 19:59.42 | cyclone | Heartsbane: I remember that thing :D |
| 20:00.28 | Heartsbane | cyclone: hey it is still useful |
| 20:00.40 | cyclone | I totally believe it |
| 20:00.42 | peno | Heartsbane: as a door stop |
| 20:00.43 | cyclone | I almost got me one |
| 20:00.55 | cyclone | It was gonna host my DVD's. |
| 20:01.06 | cyclone | Since the kid likes to use em as slide pads across the wood floor. |
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| 20:01.32 | peno | cyclone: get him a stack of AOL cd's for that. |
| 20:01.42 | cyclone | AOL quit sending em |
| 20:01.52 | tapH20guru | which gunderson (jordan or gabe) has the postgres skillz? |
| 20:01.57 | cyclone | They decided I was actually making use of their garbage. |
| 20:02.07 | Heartsbane | cyclone: we will call Leper Messiah and get you a drop shipment |
| 20:02.12 | cyclone | lol |
| 20:02.28 | cyclone | He would be like "cyclone? who the !@# is that?" |
| 20:02.34 | Heartsbane | Tevyn would do just for you |
| 20:02.42 | Heartsbane | s/do/do it/ |
| 20:03.06 | cyclone | She wouldn't find the time. |
| 20:03.17 | cyclone | 2 kids plus working in the NOC at AOL with a jack ass who pretends to know what he is doing.. |
| 20:03.20 | cyclone | She has it tough atm |
| 20:03.24 | Yorokobi | tapH20guru, what sort of pgsql skillz are you looking for? |
| 20:03.34 | tapH20guru | my buddy is in need of an admin |
| 20:03.42 | Yorokobi | for hire? |
| 20:03.44 | tapH20guru | no sure if it's contract or not |
| 20:03.46 | tapH20guru | not |
| 20:04.03 | Yorokobi | ah, a pet project then? |
| 20:04.34 | tapH20guru | it's for his company |
| 20:05.14 | tapH20guru | Yorokobi: you interested? |
| 20:05.54 | tapH20guru | He's looking for a full time dude |
| 20:05.59 | Yorokobi | not full time |
| 20:06.09 | Yorokobi | He'd have to pay really well to interest me. |
| 20:06.12 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 20:10.43 | atoponce | ~boo |
| 20:10.44 | jbot | for heaven's sake, atoponce, don't do that! |
| 20:12.56 | tapH20guru | well if anyone can do postgres full time my buddy is looking for help: http://tinyurl.com/2oqfah |
| 20:14.39 | Yorokobi | eeeesh, it is in Provo |
| 20:15.58 | Zelut | yeck |
| 20:16.03 | cyclone | UGH |
| 20:16.24 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 20:16.24 | Yorokobi | I don't think I could be paid enough to work in "Happy Valley" |
| 20:16.31 | cyclone | could one digitally comute? |
| 20:16.49 | tapH20guru | not sure. |
| 20:17.44 | tapH20guru | when are your guy's meetings nowdays... the website isn't up yet |
| 20:18.06 | Zelut | that reminds me, I need to port the WP db to Drupal to get the blog updated |
| 20:18.49 | tapH20guru | do the ubuntu folks have a drupal them that you just modify? |
| 20:18.54 | tapH20guru | them = theme |
| 20:25.35 | atoponce | ~w00t! |
| 20:25.36 | jbot | There it is! |
| 20:27.19 | atoponce | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070914152904577 |
| 20:27.33 | Yorokobi | ~w00t |
| 20:27.34 | jbot | w00t!!! |
| 20:28.24 | atoponce | They say reorganization "ensures business as usual.". does that mean continued lawsuits? |
| 20:28.32 | atoponce | paying lawyers, and screwing customers? |
| 20:28.37 | atoponce | ~quote scox |
| 20:28.44 | atoponce | haha |
| 20:28.50 | atoponce | down 43%. nice |
| 20:29.05 | maquis | that's where it belongs |
| 20:29.09 | maquis | ~quote amzn |
| 20:29.18 | maquis | and that's where that one belongs too :) |
| 20:29.46 | maquis | ~hug amazon stock |
| 20:29.47 | jbot | ACTION hugs amazon stock tightly until amazon stock turns slightly blue |
| 20:29.53 | maquis | jbot: be careful! |
| 20:30.01 | Yorokobi | Chapter 11 isn't a "we're going out of business" type of bankruptcy |
| 20:30.30 | maquis | wait... they'Re not going out of business? |
| 20:30.31 | maquis | why not? |
| 20:30.40 | maquis | are they hoping someone will buy them or something? |
| 20:31.34 | Yorokobi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapter_11 |
| 20:32.42 | Yorokobi | When they file for chapter 7 is when the real celebrations can begin. |
| 20:37.21 | Yorokobi | did anyone notice that SCO's announcement still claims they own Unix? :O |
| 20:39.52 | Yorokobi | ~quote scoxq |
| 20:40.03 | Yorokobi | meh, haven't been delisted yet |
| 20:46.51 | Heartsbane | Yorokobi: well I guess they figure if they go down, best go down swinging |
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| 20:48.09 | jtanium | herlo: are you here? |
| 20:48.41 | atoponce | Yorokobi: yes, but chapter 11 requires a lot more work |
| 20:48.54 | atoponce | they have to walk a tight rope after that |
| 20:50.36 | atoponce | if they deviate at all from the courts orders, it defaults to a chapter 7, and all is over |
| 20:50.41 | Heartsbane | I just find it odd that SCO tried to get Novell to amend the APA in 2002, which is proof they didn't own the rights |
| 20:50.44 | atoponce | chapter 13 is the same |
| 20:50.56 | Heartsbane | but they still went ahead with the lawsuit |
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| 20:52.28 | herlo | jtanium: I am |
| 20:52.43 | herlo | jtanium: what's up? |
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| 21:08.20 | nurn | ~quote scox |
| 21:10.27 | nurn | wow, the after market trade is down .28 cents. |
| 21:11.24 | morianumcumer | Shame what Darl did to a good company, Caldera contributed greatly to OSS back in the day |
| 21:11.29 | nurn | that leaves them at a wooping .09 cents. |
| 21:16.45 | thaddeusq | nurn: where'd you see that after market trade is down .28? |
| 21:20.27 | thaddeusq | nurn: I show that no after hours trades have been reported. |
| 21:27.48 | nurn | http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SCOX&d=t |
| 21:28.15 | nurn | err wait, I read that completely wrong |
| 21:28.35 | nurn | that what just the days end. I forgot there is not afterhours on the weekend. |
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| 21:41.24 | Hearts|laptop | SorenStoutner: ping |
| 21:47.25 | maquis | wait... so, if they file for chapter 11, novell can't get money from them? |
| 21:47.29 | maquis | that's stupid |
| 21:47.52 | thaddeusq | maquis: Notice that they didn't mention Novell as a creditor |
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| 22:23.38 | atoponce | thaddeusq: yes they did. sco is now is debt to novell due to the court ruling, so that's probably why they filed |
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| 23:15.05 | Gate | :( my first problem since installing gutsy alpha, and it HAS to be kernel panic. |
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