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| 00:07.26 | MikeB | is anyone coming, we did have two people show up |
| 00:08.00 | Zelut | MikeB: my pregnant wife is not up for it :( |
| 00:08.17 | MikeB | Zelut: That make sense:) |
| 00:08.24 | Zelut | MikeB: I hate to not show up to any of our events, but I'm sure you know how a pregnant wife can be. |
| 00:08.29 | mheath | sorry rain == not excited about the idea |
| 00:08.52 | MikeB | no problem, I'm going to head out |
| 00:09.10 | mheath | MikeB: Have fun. |
| 00:09.14 | MikeB | laters |
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| 00:51.38 | mheath | Yah! That is absolutely friggin outstanding! |
| 00:51.48 | mheath | My laptop just decided to arbitrarily turn itself into a brick. |
| 00:54.07 | Zelut | mheath: trying suspend on my emachines does that. a have to pull the power, pull the battery, wait and try again. |
| 00:54.33 | mheath | Zelut: Uh, tried all of that. |
| 00:54.46 | mheath | Zelut: How long do you have the wait? |
| 00:55.09 | mheath | I've pulled out the battery and held down the power button which is HP/COmpaq's approved method of clearing everything |
| 00:55.43 | Zelut | mheath: ohh I've thought I bricked it for good before. I've let it sit for a few hours on occasion before it'd come back on |
| 00:55.56 | Zelut | after that I just stopped messing with suspend on that machine and filed a bug |
| 00:56.03 | mheath | Zelut: What did it behave like? |
| 00:56.07 | mheath | Mine powers on.... |
| 00:56.09 | mheath | but no display |
| 00:56.15 | mheath | CD spins around a bit |
| 00:56.21 | Zelut | mheath: poweron, no display (no bios, etc) and just sits. |
| 00:56.43 | mheath | Zelut: Thanks for the advice |
| 00:56.43 | Zelut | mheath: pulled all power and let it sit for a few hours and tried again. it eventually came back. |
| 00:56.52 | mheath | You've made me slightly less worried-and-pissed off |
| 00:57.06 | mheath | Loosing a $1,000 randomly would not be cool. |
| 00:57.30 | mheath | Problem, though...this isn't a suspend. This was a hibernate |
| 00:57.41 | mheath | Which, as far as the BIOS and physical hardware is concerned, is the same as shutting the machine down. |
| 01:15.57 | herlo | email's are fun! |
| 01:16.11 | herlo | s/'//g |
| 01:16.18 | herlo | I hate bears! |
| 01:16.31 | herlo | they keep killing Otis |
| 01:20.02 | mheath | Eh? O.o |
| 01:21.04 | Zelut | man, dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdb bs=4096 for 6G sure does take a while |
| 01:28.38 | mheath | Zelut: Hah, yeah. |
| 01:29.07 | mheath | You could write a program that could do that much faster if you really wanted to. |
| 01:29.30 | mheath | erm, nevermind. I misread /dev/urandom as /dev/zero for some reason. |
| 02:08.56 | herlo | Zelut: I wonder if the BBQ happened? I apologize I couldn't come, my roommate and I were stupid and forgot our housekeys. Had to wait for the other roommate to get home... |
| 02:09.16 | herlo | Zelut: did you know that you don't have a count? |
| 02:09.20 | herlo | in your dd statement |
| 02:48.41 | herlo | Zelut: ping |
| 02:59.04 | Heartsbane | herlo: there were like 7 of us, everyone else whoose'd out because of the weather |
| 02:59.15 | herlo | I didn't. |
| 02:59.31 | herlo | did you BBQ? Or go to the pub? |
| 02:59.42 | Heartsbane | after we choose a place to go eat it dwindled down to 4 us and we went down to the pub |
| 03:00.04 | Heartsbane | I had phun |
| 03:00.15 | Heartsbane | We came up with a new idea |
| 03:00.24 | atoponce | phun? |
| 03:00.59 | Heartsbane | ya phun... its likes fun but gnu |
| 03:01.00 | atoponce | jbot: phun $heartsbane is <action> has "phun" with $heartsbane |
| 03:01.00 | jbot | atoponce: okay |
| 03:01.05 | atoponce | heh |
| 03:01.17 | atoponce | ~phun Heartsbane |
| 03:01.18 | jbot | ACTION has "phun" with Heartsbane |
| 03:01.26 | Heartsbane | werqs for me |
| 03:01.47 | herlo | Heartsbane: what's the new idar |
| 03:01.54 | herlo | s/ar/ear/g |
| 03:02.07 | Heartsbane | herlo: the new proposed geeklunch |
| 03:02.26 | herlo | Heartsbane: cool. I'm glad that's coming through. Other groups are latching onto it too. |
| 03:02.37 | Heartsbane | just getting together for lunch downtown SLC to eat lunch and talk ideas |
| 03:03.10 | herlo | Heartsbane: yeah, its lots of fun. I've been to quite a few. I'd like to get a list up that covers all of these types of events. |
| 03:03.14 | Heartsbane | cause occasionally we are all could get together on occassion for lunch |
| 03:03.19 | herlo | yeah! |
| 03:03.59 | herlo | UPHPU has them once a month, looks like PLUG is trying to join up. Its cool that we've decided to grow as a community and do more.... :P |
| 03:04.07 | Heartsbane | it was phun talking to MikeB most I have ever heard him talk...we talked alot about Gutsy |
| 03:04.19 | Heartsbane | The new Printer interface |
| 03:04.21 | herlo | Heartsbane: he seems quite reserved... |
| 03:04.38 | herlo | but I think he's a very bright guy the little that I've talked with him... |
| 03:05.15 | Heartsbane | herlo: did you enjoy your wait in the rain |
| 03:06.29 | Heartsbane | <place dramatic pause here> |
| 03:12.26 | herlo | Heartsbane: nah, no rain. Just went to the mall |
| 03:12.49 | Heartsbane | herlo: you must know Pat at Games People Play |
| 03:13.17 | herlo | Heartsbane: nope |
| 03:13.24 | herlo | though I've been there a few times |
| 03:13.32 | herlo | I was at the provo mall, game den |
| 03:13.39 | Heartsbane | Oh, he is the owner |
| 03:13.41 | herlo | but only went in there for a few... |
| 03:13.58 | herlo | I actually go to BlackFyre Games in Orem most of the time... |
| 03:14.05 | herlo | Heartsbane: also, I got my haircut too |
| 03:14.14 | Heartsbane | Mohawk? |
| 03:14.15 | herlo | well all of them anyway |
| 03:14.22 | herlo | Heartsbane: not this time. |
| 03:15.30 | herlo | Heartsbane: you do it and I'll consider it |
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| 03:16.05 | herlo | s/oad/aod/g |
| 03:18.21 | Heartsbane | the Mohawk Extraordinaire is here to be referred as the Glen Plake |
| 03:21.01 | herlo | Heartsbane: very nice |
| 03:23.08 | undertakingyou | Heartsbane: wow. . . just wow |
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| 03:23.44 | Heartsbane | undertakingyou: ya its is because I watch too much IFC |
| 03:24.04 | Heartsbane | I wouldn't know who he was without it |
| 03:24.16 | undertakingyou | I have never heard of that guy till now, and what a mohawk. |
| 03:25.03 | Heartsbane | Imagine him skiing down a mountain in a Warren Miller movie catching big air |
| 03:25.38 | Heartsbane | undertakingyou: do you know how to see how many actually bytes an appliance is using? |
| 03:25.44 | herlo | I've seen him skiing in a warren miller movie too, just didn't know his name. |
| 03:25.45 | Heartsbane | well anyone really |
| 03:25.52 | undertakingyou | No, I don't |
| 03:26.10 | Heartsbane | its not ps aux | grep <appliance> |
| 03:26.28 | Heartsbane | I want to know actual bytes, not a percentage |
| 03:27.20 | atoponce | number_of_bytes_in_ram * % |
| 03:28.06 | Heartsbane | yes |
| 03:29.31 | Heartsbane | atoponce: there is no way to get it so spit out the actual # of bytes it is currently using? |
| 03:29.51 | Heartsbane | I guess i will just do it on a calculator |
| 03:30.45 | herlo | Heartsbane: possibly, you could use the -o switch with ps |
| 03:34.54 | Heartsbane | got it thx |
| 03:37.08 | herlo | Heartsbane: did that actually work? |
| 03:38.29 | Heartsbane | well it pointed me in the right direction ps -eF | grep <appliance> |
| 03:39.51 | herlo | oh, you were using aux weren't you |
| 03:40.04 | Heartsbane | originally |
| 03:42.05 | Heartsbane | undertakingyou: MikeB: Ya I think I am going to backup the last of the info off my machine and try the Gutsy |
| 03:42.26 | undertakingyou | You should man. It is really good |
| 03:44.20 | herlo | Heartsbane: w00t! |
| 03:44.25 | Zelut | 7.10 gtw! |
| 03:44.33 | Zelut | *ftw |
| 03:44.37 | Heartsbane | hehehe |
| 03:44.50 | MikeB | Heartsbane:woot |
| 03:45.28 | Heartsbane | it just sounds better |
| 03:46.04 | MikeB | Heartsbane: the beta will be out in five days if that make you more comfortable |
| 03:53.36 | Heartsbane | MikeB: Zelut: undertakingyou: Tribe5 is the new current? |
| 03:53.47 | undertakingyou | yeah |
| 03:54.01 | undertakingyou | They were going to do 6 but they canned it. |
| 03:54.33 | Zelut | Heartsbane: yes |
| 03:54.45 | Zelut | Heartsbane: beta release is in 5 days (27th) |
| 03:55.04 | Heartsbane | Zelut: I will be in Canuckistan in 5 days |
| 03:55.08 | Zelut | Heartsbane: post beta, RC on the 11th, final on the 18th. |
| 03:55.23 | Zelut | Heartsbane: they have the interweb in canukistan too you know |
| 03:55.34 | herlo | Zelut: someone mentioned that Ubuntu, Fedora and OpenSUSE will be releasing within one month of each other this time. |
| 03:55.34 | Heartsbane | Zelut: not where I am |
| 03:55.50 | herlo | Zelut: and that we should do a three pronged release party as the result. What do you think? |
| 03:56.20 | Zelut | herlo: well we're trying to plan one for the 20th but we'll be happy to participate in a community party as well. |
| 03:56.30 | herlo | Zelut: Oct 20? |
| 03:56.41 | Zelut | herlo: yes, its the saturday post-release |
| 03:56.51 | Zelut | release parties midweek are difficult |
| 03:57.03 | herlo | but doesn't want to miss the release parties |
| 03:57.08 | Zelut | ..plus, who knows where in the country I'll be that week |
| 03:57.31 | Heartsbane | herlo: as long as we don't have Steve shouting over people about the nature of how SuSe will rule all, and how SLEZ <sp?> is great because it prompts you for the root password to shutdown at the console |
| 03:57.42 | herlo | Zelut: lets plan on doing both then. I think it'll be awesome. We could set up a network install server that will install any/all of the distros over a network |
| 03:58.01 | herlo | Heartsbane: SLES (Suse Linux Enterprise Server) |
| 03:58.53 | Heartsbane | I didn't say any of that... in fact .. forget that happened |
| 03:59.03 | herlo | Heartsbane: I think its good for the community to compare. I won't *ban* anyone. If you feel threatened (which you shouldn't), I'd be surprised... |
| 03:59.24 | herlo | Zelut: thank you, that's a good approach |
| 03:59.48 | Heartsbane | Come on... its still worth a chuckle... just a little one. |
| 03:59.51 | Zelut | the three SUSE users in the state might get offended ;) |
| 03:59.57 | herlo | LOL |
| 04:00.07 | herlo | Zelut: I know of four, don't forget sontek |
| 04:00.35 | Heartsbane | Linux Torvalds will not endorse your blog. |
| 04:02.07 | Heartsbane | Zelut: so since I am going to Canuckistan, will Tribe 5 update to Gutsy release candidate 1 when I get back or will I have to re-install? |
| 04:02.29 | undertakingyou | What is avahi-daemon? |
| 04:03.48 | Zelut | Heartsbane: it'll update to beta, RC and final all just fine |
| 04:03.49 | MikeB | Heartsbane: you can sudo aptitude dist-upgrade to rc |
| 04:04.04 | Zelut | MikeB: dist-upgrade is now full-upgrade.. and upgrade is now safe-upgrade |
| 04:04.20 | Heartsbane | what is the difference? |
| 04:05.15 | Zelut | Heartsbane: just minor changes in the commands to do the same thing. |
| 04:05.48 | Zelut | used to be update ; upgrade ; dist-upgrade. now is update ; safe-upgrade ; full-upgrade. same result, altered commands |
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| 04:16.44 | Zelut | http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/09/22/ubuntu-human-gnome-screensaver-lock-dialog-theme/ |
| 04:17.59 | undertakingyou | Zelut: that is pretty nice |
| 04:21.18 | Zelut | undertakingyou: digg it? my friend that put it together is hoping for enough positive response to get it merged |
| 04:21.29 | sontek | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 04:21.33 | sontek | nonononononono |
| 04:21.34 | sontek | no! |
| 04:21.40 | sontek | NO! |
| 04:21.47 | sontek | grr |
| 04:21.49 | sontek | >:| |
| 04:21.50 | Heartsbane | Do it now! |
| 04:21.53 | Zelut | wow |
| 04:22.04 | Zelut | that's a lot of nos |
| 04:22.10 | sontek | Zelut: herlo told me you guys called me a suse user in here earlier |
| 04:22.15 | sontek | Zelut: had to fight it |
| 04:22.23 | Zelut | sontek: herlo called you a suse user, not me |
| 04:22.31 | sontek | Zelut: he shall die! |
| 04:22.35 | Zelut | sontek: all I said was I wasn't going to badmouth suse.. the three users in utah might cry. |
| 04:22.36 | sontek | ~runwithscissors herlo |
| 04:22.40 | Heartsbane | I was a witness |
| 04:22.41 | herlo | ~herlo sontek |
| 04:22.41 | jbot | ACTION pokes sontek in they eye with a sharp needle |
| 04:23.14 | herlo | sontek: this is true, I did call you a suse user and I did a good job luring you here too ! |
| 04:23.18 | herlo | quite the nice trap! |
| 04:23.20 | sontek | if suse had more stable packages and provided better upgrade paths it'd be my favorite distro |
| 04:23.34 | sontek | herlo: you are a crafty fellow |
| 04:23.35 | herlo | sontek: you say things liek that about *every* distro |
| 04:23.44 | sontek | herlo: except for gentoo :D |
| 04:23.47 | sontek | herlo: gentoo is perfect |
| 04:23.48 | herlo | sontek: nope |
| 04:24.05 | herlo | sontek: you said if Gentoo could build packages in half the time, it'd be your favorite distro |
| 04:24.08 | herlo | I remember |
| 04:24.28 | sontek | no, it *is* my favorite distro, If it had binary packages it would be the one I ran on my laptop ;) |
| 04:24.45 | sontek | my laptop needs to do things fast |
| 04:24.46 | herlo | Just like with Fedora, you said if Fedora could get its repositories (albeit third party repos) straightened out, itd be your favorite distro |
| 04:24.48 | sontek | since I do all my work on it |
| 04:25.08 | herlo | sontek: for Ubuntu, I'm sure you can find something, maybe |
| 04:25.21 | herlo | if Ubuntu didn't use sudo for every command it would be my favorite distro? |
| 04:25.30 | herlo | :) |
| 04:25.31 | sontek | herlo: in order of sontek distro love: Gentoo -> SUSE -> Fedora -> Ubuntu |
| 04:25.32 | Heartsbane | herlo: has sontek ever said anything criticizing MickeySoft? |
| 04:25.34 | herlo | oh, and what about slackware? |
| 04:25.43 | herlo | Heartsbane: unknown |
| 04:25.50 | sontek | herlo: slackware needs a package manager and needs to support gnome |
| 04:25.54 | herlo | Heartsbane: is MickeySoft disney? |
| 04:25.58 | sontek | herlo: and then it would be my favorite! |
| 04:26.05 | herlo | sontek: I was just gonna ask that |
| 04:26.59 | sontek | 1. Suse isn't stable and doesn't provide a good upgrade path. 2. Fedora doesn't provide enough packages (although suse build service is actually helping with that). 3. Ubuntu makes to many decisions just to be different |
| 04:27.45 | herlo | sontek: what about dsl, slax and LFS |
| 04:28.13 | sontek | herlo: dsl is to damn small ;) |
| 04:30.12 | undertakingyou | Zelut: I dugg it. That really is smooth |
| 04:31.18 | herlo | undertakingyou: link please |
| 04:31.52 | undertakingyou | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Human_Gnome_Screensaver_Lock_Dialog_Theme |
| 04:32.02 | undertakingyou | Sorry, it is long |
| 04:34.27 | sontek | I think fedoras/suses both look better |
| 04:34.46 | herlo | undertakingyou: not that long |
| 04:36.06 | herlo | sontek: fedora's is nice, but this one isn't bad... |
| 04:37.21 | sontek | its not bad |
| 04:37.29 | sontek | I just think fedora and suse have a cleaner look |
| 04:37.48 | sontek | suse is better at pretty than any of the other distros |
| 04:37.55 | sontek | it just sucks at stability :P |
| 04:42.16 | sontek | when I try to mount the iso i'm getting "mount: not a directory" even though it is |
| 04:42.22 | sontek | has full permissions and everything |
| 04:54.35 | herlo | sontek: agreed. SUSE is *very* pretty |
| 04:54.51 | herlo | how are you mounting it? |
| 04:55.08 | herlo | sontek: is this inside the fedora install? |
| 04:55.12 | sontek | I think the iso is bad |
| 04:55.26 | *** part/#ubuntu-utah undertakingyou (n=will@71-219-84-186.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 04:55.34 | sontek | I did mkisofs on some files and mounted it on loop |
| 04:55.36 | sontek | and it worked |
| 04:55.50 | sontek | I didn't test it after I downloaded it |
| 04:57.33 | herlo | sontek: which reminds me. I asked you about that recently |
| 04:58.05 | sontek | herlo: about? |
| 04:58.12 | herlo | I need to make an iso. Its not a bootable one, but its going to do autorun on windows and needs to support long filenames, etc. |
| 04:58.24 | herlo | sontek: ^^ that |
| 04:59.23 | sontek | ahh, yeah, you just have to pass your isolevel as 4 |
| 05:00.30 | sontek | herlo: theres also something like -max-filenames |
| 05:00.37 | sontek | its in the man |
| 05:00.58 | sontek | yeah, max-iso9660-filenames |
| 05:04.13 | sontek | so mkisofs /home/ > /test.iso -max-iso9660-filenamaes |
| 05:04.31 | sontek | 3mb/sec download from tds =) |
| 05:04.44 | sontek | 2gbs in less than 15 minutes |
| 05:07.33 | herlo | sontek: yeah, saw that |
| 05:07.43 | herlo | sontek: I did something like that, so it should work yo usay |
| 05:07.47 | herlo | ? |
| 05:08.02 | sontek | yeah, I do it for katie with image cds |
| 05:08.47 | herlo | sontek: and now with genisoimage you can make mac based ones too... |
| 05:08.54 | herlo | dunno if you could do that before... |
| 05:09.20 | sontek | I dunno, apple is the devil |
| 05:13.11 | sontek | i'm gonna raid the uofu surplus when I get back and snag up a cheap mac if they have any just so I can test our iris stuff on one |
| 05:13.16 | sontek | only problem is it has to run osx |
| 05:14.06 | Heartsbane | Night all |
| 05:14.20 | sontek | Heartsbane: gnight! |
| 05:14.26 | sontek | Heartsbane: i'm gonna own ya at p42! |
| 05:14.31 | sontek | i'm bringing ut2k4 |
| 05:14.34 | sontek | and q3 |
| 05:15.12 | sontek | I was hoping they'd release a quake wars binary |
| 05:15.13 | Heartsbane | sontek: I won't be playing games anyway... being staff @ p42 is a lot like being a game warden at the time of hunting season |
| 05:17.20 | sontek | Heartsbane: but then how am I supposed to own you? |
| 05:17.41 | sontek | Heartsbane: when we ran mpcon we just rotated shifts so everyone could get games in |
| 05:17.46 | sontek | Heartsbane: but we also had an age limit |
| 05:18.00 | sontek | so we didn't have to worry about to much immaturity |
| 05:18.11 | sontek | it was more of worrying which cs clan was going to key the others first |
| 05:18.15 | sontek | :P |
| 05:18.23 | Heartsbane | ya I know... |
| 05:19.26 | Heartsbane | I will work something out ... so you can feel superior |
| 05:20.39 | Heartsbane | night |
| 05:21.34 | sontek | gnight! |
| 05:41.25 | herlo | damn it! I keep getting interrupted with phone calls |
| 05:41.28 | herlo | oops |
| 05:41.33 | herlo | ~language herlo |
| 05:41.33 | jbot | ACTION grabs herlo by the ear and washes herlo's mouth out with soap |
| 05:42.16 | herlo | sontek: okay, so I didn't see how do to the isolevel 4 thing, but I'll figure it out... |
| 05:42.39 | sontek | you might not need isolevel 4 |
| 05:42.58 | sontek | but its just -iso-level 4 |
| 05:43.16 | herlo | k, I'm looking for it now in the man page |
| 05:43.53 | sontek | I don't remember the differences between the levels |
| 05:44.04 | sontek | ok, so I finally have everything backed up |
| 05:44.08 | sontek | and have a real fedora iso |
| 05:44.27 | herlo | sontek: it appears that I need it |
| 05:44.35 | herlo | in the man page, they describe all the levels |
| 05:44.44 | herlo | sontek: sweet! |
| 05:45.19 | sontek | and I have an ftp server setup on windows box |
| 05:46.44 | herlo | cool |
| 05:46.51 | herlo | should be simple enough then |
| 05:46.55 | sontek | herlo: so what file do I need to dd to the usb drive? |
| 05:47.15 | sontek | I don't see bootdisk.img on the dvd |
| 05:47.34 | sontek | or do they provide a seperate download for it |
| 05:48.02 | herlo | sontek: its in images |
| 05:48.07 | herlo | called diskboot.img IIRC |
| 05:48.21 | herlo | ends in .img for sure and it doesn't say *net* in it |
| 05:49.06 | sontek | whats the syntax for a recursive find for all files with .img |
| 05:49.31 | herlo | sontek: its in the image directory off the root of the cd |
| 05:49.33 | sontek | is it just find . -name "*.img" |
| 05:49.41 | herlo | sontek: you don't even need the . |
| 05:49.51 | sontek | theres the isolinux folder |
| 05:49.51 | herlo | find assumes current dir if one isn't provided |
| 05:49.57 | herlo | same level |
| 05:50.00 | sontek | oh, images |
| 05:50.03 | herlo | should be an images dir |
| 05:50.04 | sontek | I didn't see that the first time |
| 05:50.08 | sontek | yeah its there |
| 05:50.10 | herlo | okay |
| 05:50.11 | sontek | I just missed it |
| 05:50.17 | herlo | yeah, I now |
| 05:50.20 | herlo | *know |
| 05:50.22 | herlo | :) |
| 05:50.56 | sontek | and should the filesystem be ext2 on the partition? |
| 05:51.04 | herlo | for? |
| 05:51.08 | sontek | the usb stick |
| 05:51.14 | sontek | or will dd take care of it all |
| 05:51.16 | herlo | ext2/3 or vfat will work |
| 05:51.21 | herlo | dd will take care of it |
| 05:51.41 | herlo | dd if=diskboot.img of=/dev/sdb (full disk) |
| 05:51.47 | herlo | your sd may vary |
| 05:52.56 | sontek | ok |
| 05:53.00 | sontek | brb, gonna try to boot |
| 05:53.19 | herlo | k |
| 05:54.07 | sontek | so at the boot prompt "linux askmethod" ? |
| 05:54.52 | sontek | herlo: you should give me another novell usb stick so I can have a dedicated booter :P |
| 05:55.06 | sontek | I can see how having it would be convenient :P |
| 05:55.19 | herlo | sontek: come to dinner Oct 13... |
| 05:55.39 | sontek | as far as I know all be there |
| 05:58.19 | sontek | after this onsite i'm at we are done for the year |
| 05:58.39 | sontek | and as long as dax accepts my terms, I wont be working here much longer anyways |
| 05:59.07 | sontek | w00t, installer is working |
| 05:59.17 | sontek | i'll have fedora in no time |
| 05:59.57 | sontek | found a bug in the installer |
| 06:00.01 | sontek | it checks disks twice |
| 06:00.02 | sontek | :P |
| 06:00.13 | sontek | its like oh noes sdb is loop! |
| 06:00.16 | sontek | i'm like ignore! |
| 06:00.21 | sontek | its like oh noes sdb is loop! |
| 06:00.24 | sontek | i'm like ignore! |
| 06:00.27 | sontek | and then all was good |
| 06:07.46 | herlo | sontek: isn't the network install cool? or did you do the hd one? |
| 06:08.04 | herlo | btw, you should probably start the install over and pull the usb disk as you see the first blue screen |
| 06:08.22 | sontek | herlo: I did network via ftp |
| 06:08.31 | herlo | otherwise Fedora will try to install parts of the os/bootloader on your usb drive |
| 06:08.32 | sontek | herlo: why? |
| 06:08.40 | sontek | herlo: but I told it to ignore it |
| 06:08.44 | herlo | even if you pulled it after the ignore |
| 06:08.46 | herlo | I now |
| 06:08.48 | herlo | I know |
| 06:09.15 | herlo | Its dumb, but the rationale is that anything you have in your drive will still be considered available by the bootloader |
| 06:09.24 | herlo | You can try it if you like...it won't hurt to continue |
| 06:09.27 | herlo | except time |
| 06:09.44 | herlo | if it doesn't work, just install again |
| 06:10.14 | sontek | I don't have much time :P, its 2am here already |
| 06:10.32 | sontek | I wanna sleep atleast 2 hours, thats usually good enough |
| 06:10.39 | herlo | Yeah, I know. I've been on the east coast a bunch. I know how it gets late easily enough |
| 06:10.58 | sontek | yeah it sucks |
| 06:11.06 | herlo | I'd say it can't hurt to start over now. It literally will only take 30-40 minutes at most to install |
| 06:11.17 | sontek | yeah, I already restarted |
| 06:11.19 | herlo | assuming you are fast at partitioning and choosing packages |
| 06:11.34 | herlo | so when you see the "English" choice, just pull the USB |
| 06:11.52 | sontek | i'm just going to have 500mb boot, and then rest on an lvm |
| 06:12.37 | sontek | gnats are a waste |
| 06:12.49 | sontek | but they are better than mosquitos |
| 06:14.35 | herlo | 500mb boot? wow, that's big |
| 06:15.28 | sontek | herlo: I give it 500mb just because I have a 100gb drive and I have to use it somewhere :P |
| 06:15.39 | sontek | and I used to play with a bunch of bootloader images and stuff |
| 06:15.41 | herlo | yeah |
| 06:15.42 | sontek | i'm to lazy to do that now |
| 06:15.49 | herlo | too lazy you mean |
| 06:15.56 | herlo | hehe |
| 06:16.06 | sontek | to lazy to type the extra o |
| 06:16.10 | sontek | :D |
| 06:16.53 | herlo | logging into my windersxp now to test my iso |
| 06:19.31 | herlo | w00t! |
| 06:25.29 | herlo | sontek: I'm transferring the iso now... |
| 06:28.46 | sontek | yaaay |
| 06:29.07 | sontek | Fedora 7.91 is installing right now |
| 06:29.34 | sontek | then I need to brush my teeth because i'm on my 5th code |
| 06:29.35 | sontek | coke* |
| 06:29.40 | sontek | I hate coke |
| 06:30.47 | sontek | its fun to watch the file transfers on the ftp server |
| 06:31.55 | sontek | you can raid lvms can't you? |
| 06:32.05 | sontek | i'm picking up 4 750gbs from newegg |
| 06:32.35 | sontek | so i'm thinking 2 lvm pvs (each 1500gb) and then raid those |
| 06:32.41 | sontek | raid/mirror |
| 06:33.14 | sontek | well, thats wrong |
| 06:33.24 | sontek | it'd be 4 pvs, at 750gb |
| 06:35.02 | herlo | doood! I works! |
| 06:35.27 | herlo | sontek: you can lvm raids is a better way |
| 06:36.01 | herlo | so you make a big raid 1 or something and then use LVM as the volume type. then make lvs from that... |
| 06:36.03 | sontek | herlo: w00t, you are teh leet |
| 06:36.14 | sontek | herlo: that makes sense |
| 06:36.23 | herlo | sontek: I made my S4 cd all automated and it pretty much works! |
| 06:36.33 | sontek | I just want a redundant 1.5tb |
| 06:36.50 | sontek | We just lost 600gb's of tv shows because a drive died |
| 06:37.31 | sontek | so I don't want that to happen anymore |
| 06:37.43 | herlo | raid 1 |
| 06:37.52 | herlo | although raid5 could be better |
| 06:37.59 | herlo | or rather raid6 |
| 06:38.38 | herlo | sontek: I'd suggest you do two separate disks though. If you don't have that, RAID isn't gonna help you much |
| 06:39.14 | sontek | herlo: i'm doing 4 disks |
| 06:39.18 | sontek | herlo: 4 750gbs |
| 06:39.30 | sontek | herlo: so each disk will have a mirror |
| 06:40.04 | sontek | and then I just want lvm for convenience |
| 06:42.50 | sontek | I really should've told dax I didn't want to start until november |
| 06:43.00 | sontek | then I could take the last 2 weeks of october off and relax |
| 06:43.28 | herlo | woot |
| 06:43.59 | herlo | yeah, LVM is very convenient on a laptop actually. I use it a lot to move my volumes around |
| 06:44.20 | herlo | and with Grub 2 coming out soon, you'll be able to have boot on lvm too |
| 06:44.30 | herlo | sontek: yeah, it'd be nice to have some down time... |
| 06:44.35 | sontek | how do you have your laptop partitioned? |
| 06:44.41 | sontek | I just have /home and / on LVM |
| 06:44.45 | sontek | so I can share the space where needed |
| 06:44.47 | sontek | and swap |
| 06:45.40 | sontek | I don't mind not having boot on lvm |
| 06:46.03 | sontek | but it'd be nice if I was running *really* low on space and could snagup a few 100mbs from it |
| 06:46.21 | sontek | but I don't torrent on my lappy anymore its not a problem |
| 06:46.59 | herlo | I have 10 - 10G partitions and one small boot partition |
| 06:47.09 | sontek | for? |
| 06:47.11 | herlo | I use everything on LVM except boot |
| 06:47.30 | sontek | so you have like /var /etc and all that on seperate partitions? |
| 06:47.39 | herlo | and I have /home, /, /var and /data (where I keep my data) there |
| 06:47.48 | sontek | I keep data in /home |
| 06:47.56 | herlo | I do as well, except its all in links |
| 06:48.01 | sontek | but my lappy isn't multi user |
| 06:48.05 | herlo | that way I don't have to backup my /home dir |
| 06:48.10 | herlo | neither is mine really |
| 06:48.34 | sontek | so home/herlo is actually /data/home/herlo ? |
| 06:48.46 | sontek | or /home/herlo/code is /data/code |
| 06:48.46 | herlo | anyway, so I then use the others for increasing/decreasing my /data and using it else where |
| 06:48.54 | herlo | the latter |
| 06:49.26 | sontek | that actually makes sense because I was thinking about creating a 'demo' user for when I do talks |
| 06:49.40 | sontek | so it'd be nice to have all my scripts in a central place both users can share |
| 06:50.42 | herlo | yeah, so I have all my *data* in /data |
| 06:50.50 | herlo | and my configs are all separated out that way |
| 06:51.15 | herlo | I have like 65G of data in /data and then the rest is configs/extra space/etc |
| 06:52.45 | sontek | I've gots me a fedora lappy now |
| 06:52.51 | sontek | flappy as I like to call it |
| 06:53.23 | sontek | xen kernel still doesn't booth though |
| 06:53.35 | sontek | I should probably figure out why and submit a bug |
| 06:53.40 | sontek | but I don't understand xen at all |
| 06:53.49 | sontek | maybe stephen can help debug it |
| 06:58.00 | herlo | you need to run kvm instead |
| 06:58.03 | herlo | it rocks! |
| 07:07.55 | sontek | well, I need to go to sleep for 3 hours, w00t, more than I expected |
| 07:08.00 | sontek | now that I have my fedora |
| 07:08.27 | sontek | and I ported blogengine.net to mono on the plane |
| 07:08.32 | sontek | so i'll have a blog pretty soon |
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| 14:26.24 | mheath | Sigh |
| 14:26.31 | mheath | SO, yeah, letting it sit with the battery out didn't help |
| 14:26.41 | mheath | My laptop spontaneously turned into a brick :( |
| 14:27.09 | sontek | don't think of it as a brick |
| 14:27.27 | sontek | think of it as a very nice plate |
| 14:27.38 | mheath | Heh |
| 14:28.05 | mheath | I'm in a pretty good mood, actually, but it sucks when something worth $1,000 suddenly breaks for no explainable reason |
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| 15:04.56 | synic | ok... in compiz in Gutsy, how do I get the settings I change in the "Advanced Desktop Effects" dialog to actually take effect? |
| 15:06.52 | Zelut | synic: on my box changes in there have been immediate |
| 15:07.14 | synic | I get nothing, even if I restart X |
| 15:07.23 | synic | the cube doesn't work, no hotkeys for switching workspaces |
| 15:13.13 | synic | Zelut: doe any of your hotkeys work? What about changing desktops? Can you rotate the cube, and if so, how? |
| 15:16.55 | sontek | synic: are you sure compiz is running? |
| 15:17.04 | synic | yeah, I get all the effects |
| 15:17.15 | synic | but just the basic ones, like wobbly windows and etc. |
| 15:17.49 | Zelut | i usually turn the effects off so I haven't tried but I can poke around in a bit |
| 15:18.51 | sontek | thats weird, are they still running compiz or is it compiz-fusion now? |
| 15:19.10 | sontek | they might have the configuration options for beryl and compiz installed |
| 15:19.17 | sontek | and the setting you are looking at might be for beryl |
| 15:19.27 | sontek | they should be instantaneous |
| 15:19.57 | synic | nah, the window title says compiz |
| 15:20.48 | sontek | I've got nothing then, you can try configuring it from console |
| 15:21.43 | Heartsbane | synic: just blame cyclone |
| 15:22.02 | sontek | do something like compiz --replace to make sure its actually compiz running and not beryl |
| 15:22.06 | sontek | and then change the settings |
| 15:22.17 | synic | yeah, tried that. |
| 16:25.59 | Zelut | 2.6.22-12-generic kernel upgrade this morning. |
| 16:26.03 | Zelut | the updates just keep pouring in |
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| 17:41.09 | atoponce | !coc |
| 17:41.10 | UtahBot | atoponce: "coc" is 1) Be considerate 2) Be respectful 3) Be collaborative 4) When you disagree, consult others 5) When you are unsure, ask for help 6) Step down considerately |
| 17:41.15 | atoponce | hmmm |
| 17:41.18 | atoponce | !debian |
| 17:41.20 | UtahBot | atoponce: Error: "debian" is not a valid command. |
| 17:41.30 | atoponce | i need to fix that, i think |
| 18:00.46 | Heartsbane | No I think it is fine just the way it is |
| 18:16.05 | sontek | :D |
| 18:16.23 | atoponce | heh |
| 18:16.52 | atoponce | problem is that i want to have !learn not be channel specific, so anyone who adds a factoid can benefit from all channels |
| 18:27.14 | atoponce | !debian |
| 18:27.15 | UtahBot | atoponce: Error: "debian" is not a valid command. |
| 18:27.22 | atoponce | !utahbot |
| 18:27.23 | UtahBot | atoponce: Error: "utahbot" is not a valid command. |
| 18:27.31 | atoponce | !learn UtahBot as me |
| 18:27.31 | UtahBot | atoponce: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:46.51 | mheath | !UtahBot |
| 18:46.52 | UtahBot | mheath: Error: "UtahBot" is not a valid command. |
| 18:47.12 | mheath | jbot: You are a much better bot. |
| 18:47.12 | jbot | I think you lost me on that one, mheath |
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| 20:33.44 | undertakingyou | ~w00t! |
| 20:33.44 | jbot | There it is! |
| 20:34.08 | undertakingyou | I just got VMWare server up and running on gutsy! |
| 20:54.18 | undertakingyou | thanks peno. I was looking for some kudos |
| 20:54.39 | undertakingyou | Hearts|laptop: I am trying out your utorrent now. |
| 20:54.59 | peno | i *heart* utorrent. |
| 20:55.14 | peno | I need to finish getting it setup under wine. |
| 20:55.51 | undertakingyou | It was easy to setup |
| 20:56.08 | Hearts|laptop | undertakingyou: you will find that it expands and contracts in memory as it needs it, the memory model I quoted last night was on startup.. |
| 20:56.22 | Hearts|laptop | undertakingyou: now you just need to ditch Qwest |
| 20:56.40 | undertakingyou | yes, yes I do |
| 20:56.47 | peno | Yeah, I've got the basics setup. I need to get linux to read+write to my external hard drive that I use for torrent storage. |
| 20:58.37 | peno | I can't wait to ditch qwest 100%. |
| 20:58.46 | Hearts|laptop | neither can I |
| 20:59.11 | peno | Hearts|laptop: you stand a better chance of getting Utopia before I do. |
| 20:59.27 | Hearts|laptop | peno: its cause god loves me more |
| 20:59.55 | peno | Hearts|laptop: no, it's because you're closer to the last fiber pull in Murray. |
| 21:00.41 | Hearts|laptop | peno: fiber pull = god's love |
| 21:01.04 | peno | Hearts|laptop: be nice, or you're walking to the airport. |
| 21:01.11 | Hearts|laptop | :) |
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| 21:10.14 | MikeB | Zelut: Dude, you got dug |
| 21:10.14 | mheath | So, this isn't cool. |
| 21:10.25 | mheath | This is why we make backups, people :( |
| 21:25.10 | Gate | mheath: :( |
| 21:25.23 | mheath | It just spontaneously stopped working, too |
| 21:25.30 | mheath | No reason or explanation |
| 21:25.44 | mheath | Goes to hibernate (testing hibernate in Ubuntu), won't power on after it shuts down |
| 21:25.51 | Gate | I suddenly have flashes of the various ways my lappie could die, the fountain, the window, that rainstorm yesterday |
| 21:26.00 | Gate | :o |
| 21:26.28 | Gate | Try killing all power and removing the battery+ holding the power button for a sec, then trying it? |
| 21:27.17 | Gate | wait, won't power on? ouch (was thinking won't boot) |
| 21:27.33 | Gate | then again that doesn't make sense either |
| 21:37.05 | mheath | Gate: It powers on, sorry. |
| 21:37.11 | mheath | Yeah, tried all that |
| 21:37.26 | Gate | ok, it does power on but not boot? |
| 21:37.30 | mheath | Sat for like 12 hours with main and BIOS non-volatile memory batteries out |
| 21:37.46 | mheath | Gate: Powers on == The power light turns on, and the CD-ROM drive has irradic behavior. |
| 21:37.50 | mheath | And the HDD too |
| 21:37.53 | Zelut | looks like bluehost can't keep up with my blog |
| 21:38.11 | mheath | I'm never purchasing a Compaq laptop again |
| 21:38.12 | Gate | mheath: so this happens before BIOS menu? |
| 21:38.18 | mheath | Gate: Before anything |
| 21:38.29 | mheath | The screen backlight doesn't even turn on |
| 21:38.52 | Gate | I would remove the HDD and the CD drive and see if you can get into BIOS then |
| 21:39.04 | Gate | How old is the laptop? still under warranty? |
| 21:39.22 | mheath | Gate: Nope, not under warranty |
| 21:39.28 | mheath | same thing happened to it before when it was under warranty |
| 21:39.32 | mheath | They had to replace the mainboard in it |
| 21:39.36 | Gate | *ouch* |
| 21:39.46 | mheath | Gate: I've tried booting with different RAM... |
| 21:39.57 | mheath | MInus HDD, CD-ROM, and Wireless |
| 21:40.17 | Gate | what if you strip everything out, including the ram? do you get the no-ram beeps? |
| 21:40.36 | mheath | Haven't tried that. Hmm. |
| 21:41.02 | mheath | Not like it will help me much if it does beep, though :P |
| 21:41.19 | mheath | I had a fair amount of work on there that I hadn't backed up |
| 21:41.40 | mheath | I had it setup to give a presentation next week at OALUG, too :( |
| 21:42.24 | Gate | mheath: I highly doubt the HDD is dead |
| 21:42.36 | mheath | Gate: Yeah, I know |
| 21:42.37 | Gate | all you have to do is use one of those external HDD kits |
| 21:42.41 | mheath | But I have nothing to hook it up to |
| 21:42.47 | mheath | And no money to get anything to hook it up to with :P |
| 21:43.01 | mheath | At least for a while. |
| 21:43.08 | Gate | yeah..... That's one of those tools you need so rarely.... |
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