IRC log for #ubuntu-utah on 20071107

00:13.33Heartsbaneundertakingyou: ping
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00:17.39Yorokobimheath, lyx (LaTeX)
00:19.09YorokobiThough, technically speaking Lyx/LaTeX isn't a word processor.
00:23.32mheathYorokobi: Could you point me to a god primer on using that?
00:23.36mheathI could never get into the syntax
00:26.45YorokobiLyx has a really good tutorial and user guide built in
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04:51.24TechnoVikinghey Zelut
04:51.33Zelutheya
04:51.41TechnoVikinghows Dallas
04:51.52ZelutTexasy
04:51.57TechnoVikinglol
04:52.29Zelutbeen spending my evenings trying to figure out packaging still..
04:52.32Zelutwhat a pain in the butt
04:53.51TechnoVikingme too, trying to get Liberations fonts into Hardy
04:54.49TechnoVikingmy flight to SLC got cancelled, ended up riding back in 737, and two lay overs
04:55.04Zelutglad I didn't push my flight back then!
04:55.23ZelutI ended up on a flight, in first class, sitting next to my dad!
04:55.36TechnoVikingreally?
04:55.37ZelutHe had been in Nova Scotia the previous week and we just happened to be on the same plane
04:55.53herloZelut: that's pretty cool
04:56.14TechnoVikingwow, don't buy any  lottery ticket in the near future
04:56.37Zelutpretty cool coincidence
04:57.20ZelutTechnoViking: anything cool happen after I left Fri?
04:57.28TechnoVikingnah
04:57.55TechnoVikingi missed moost of the Canonical sponsor dinner talking to the airline
04:59.07ZelutI think UDS was way better than any conference even.
04:59.39TechnoVikingi always love  going to them
05:00.18ZelutI just hope I can get enough done to warrant being invited again.
05:00.56TechnoVikingthey did not announce where the next one is at yet
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05:03.00TechnoVikingstupid X-Chat, need to find a guide to irssi
05:03.24herloTechnoViking: irssi.org :)
05:40.52herloHeartsbane: ping
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15:15.44Zelutmorning
15:23.32sontekmorning
15:26.56atoponce'night
15:48.45herloHeartsbane: ping
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16:14.06sontekherlo: ping
16:14.56sontekherlo: that email you forwarded this morning about the Family Search API says "Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited"
16:14.57herlosontek: pong
16:15.12sontekI don't think you were supposed to distribute :P
16:15.15herlosontek: I don't know anything about it
16:15.56herlosontek: I'm sure they put that on *all* of their emails...
16:16.11herlosontek: to me it seems they'd want more input.  They're sending it to me...
16:16.35sontekBut specifically to you, they didn't send it to any of the mailing lists
16:16.45sontekyou might want to clear it up with them :p
16:18.06sontekand your signature still says utos.org / utosc.org  not sure if you wanna add utosf too
16:18.16herlosent them an email
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16:19.52maquishttp://gizmodo.com/gadgets/science/tesla-coils-playing-the-mario-bros-theme-are-unsurprisingly-awesome-319384.php?autoplay=true
16:27.15Heartsbaneherlo: pong
16:27.22herloHeartsbane: lunch?
16:27.32herloI wanted to announce it to friends...
16:27.39herloa few anyway
16:27.52Heartsbaneabsolutely you got a place in mind
16:30.06herloHeartsbane: was thinking either Rodizio Grill or Spaghetti Factory at Trolley Square
16:30.38HeartsbaneSounds good to me
16:31.17Heartsbanesorry I been running errands/paying bills all morning I meant to get a hold of you sooner
16:33.16herlono worries
16:33.23herloI tried pinging you yesterday, but no responce...
16:34.45HeartsbaneYa big wig cooperate clown in from Denver
16:34.56Heartsbane10.5 hour day
16:34.57herloHeartsbane: ahh, where do you work again?
16:35.12|phoenyx|maquis: groovy
16:38.52maquis:)
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17:18.08herlochilton: welcome
17:18.29|phoenyx|GL?
17:18.29mheathAh
17:18.34mheathchilton: welcome :)
17:18.43chiltonthanks
17:18.50chiltonI'm a newbie
17:19.32herlomheath: hard!
17:19.42synichow hard is hard?
17:19.59|phoenyx|ah, gurulabs!!
17:20.03chiltonI'm a sales guy forced into IRC by the evil herlo
17:20.21mheathI'm thinking about taking a semester off school and just working. Getting a second job, etc.
17:20.37mheathHelp pay for the wedding, apartment/house, etc.
17:21.30mheathherlo: yes? :P
17:21.33herloand points out to chilton that he's gonna learn a ton if he continues to stay here...
17:23.38herlomheath: I'm not anti mheath, just anti young'ns
17:24.47mheathheh, fair enough
17:25.57herlomheath: and even better than that, I'm interested in helping people learn.  if you don't have the experience, you can gain it.  Once you do, GL is the place to make it even better
17:26.50herlobut you've gotta have some of your own experimentation under your belt and/or be really good at what you do with regard to Linux/Training/Technical Writing.  I will say its fun though...
17:27.02herloand its a great job to have if you feel up to it
17:42.05sontekor you just have to be really sexy
17:42.13sontekherlo got the job purely on looks
17:42.28herlosontek: exactly!
17:42.37herlosontek: that's how I get all of my jobs
17:42.42cycloneLooks like I might be able to be CEO then.
17:43.43herlocyclone: of?
17:44.10synicof the lonely hearts club
17:44.18sontekcan we do a Geek Swimsuit Calendar for UTOSF?
17:44.21sontekI call June
17:44.41herlosontek: you can't have june
17:44.47herlosontek: june is my month
17:44.50herloI shine in June!
17:44.56sontekI glisten in June!
17:45.10sontekwe can sumo wrestle for it
17:45.17herlosontek: in suits?
17:45.50sontekyeap
17:46.09sontekSome dude's playground used to have them, not sure of any other place that we can get them
17:47.20herloyeah, there are others...
17:48.04nearnwow, if this happens I am so going to take pictures.
17:51.02sontekbut if I win you have to be December
17:51.08sontekand wear a Santa Hat
17:51.09herlosontek: no, june
17:51.27herlosontek: or I can be August, but I won't be December
17:51.28sontekWinner gets June, and gets to assign the loser a month and outfit
17:51.39nearndibs on october!
17:51.41herlosontek: I don't wanna play anymore
17:51.46sontek:(
17:51.51sontekquitter!
17:51.54herloyup
17:52.04sontekdon't you want to show off your new physique after winning lard wars?
17:52.53sontekok, we'll just play for June!
17:53.08sontekWe'll get harley to do December
17:53.16synicI'm december, idiots.
17:53.17synicgeez.
17:53.33synicI got my A cup manboobs to show off
17:54.27herlosontek: harley would be March, green beard and all
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18:09.53kkubasikhey!
18:10.13sontekkkubasik: sup =)
18:10.15sontekkkubasik: hows life?
18:10.21kkubasikalright, yourself?
18:10.39kkubasikjust been following the ubuntu-ut mailing list
18:10.49Zeluthey
18:10.49kkubasikand the user group out here is really active
18:10.54kkubasikso i wanted to start getting involved
18:10.56Zelutkkubasik: we try to be
18:11.21kkubasikyeah, its pretty cool
18:11.28kkubasikand the novell open source thing in provo
18:11.31kkubasikthats awesome
18:11.33HeartsbaneZelut: hehe people might never know from looking at our LoCo Forums
18:11.39Zelutkkubasik: are you new to the area?
18:11.45kkubasiki didn't realize that open source was so big out here
18:11.51kkubasikZelut, yeah
18:12.01kkubasikim at school now, moved from the DC area
18:12.01ZelutHeartsbane: yeah, our LoCo forums are a bit pathetic.. and so is the website until TechnoViking gets it fixed.
18:12.27HeartsbaneZelut: you in town or on the road?
18:12.36Zelutkkubasik: well it'd be great to see you on saturday if you want to get involved.
18:12.39kkubasikbut i've been working with/on beagle for about 2 years now and ubuntu a year an half
18:12.44ZelutHeartsbane: in Dallas and then San Fran next week.
18:12.59HeartsbaneZelut: what is the status of a new meeting place?
18:13.04kkubasikZelut, yeah I plan to be there :)
18:13.11ZelutHeartsbane: no status
18:13.31HeartsbaneZelut: no word back from that one person?
18:13.41ZelutHeartsbane: the what now?
18:14.17HeartsbaneZelut: at the release party one individual (whose name escapes me) talked to you about using his classroom at his work
18:15.07kkubasikHeartsbane, care to elaborate?
18:15.13kkubasikwhat exactly does that mean?
18:15.40HeartsbaneWell I was just curious if there was any word from him about that so we could go back to regular meetings
18:16.10kkubasikahhh
18:16.15kkubasiki might be able to get us meeting space
18:16.19kkubasikif thats the issue
18:16.35kkubasiki don't wanna promise anything, but other groups use our project rooms all the time
18:16.42herlochilton: you still there?
18:17.08ZelutHeartsbane: ohh, yeah.  Omar did get that room that we can use if we need.
18:17.21HeartsbaneYa I had a idea too but I didn't want persue multiple ideas and then have a multiple decisions to make
18:17.25HeartsbaneCool
18:18.32Zelutthis team really seems to be growing this fall.  Seems like its past the "summer-time-I-have-better-things-to-do" phase and back to "we're-geeks-on-the-computer-because-its-cold-outside" phase :)
18:19.11kkubasikhahaha
18:19.28kkubasiki am a strong supporter of said mentality ;)
18:20.43Zelutsince publishing the meeting poll on LP I realize that the LP poll system isn't that great.  I'll do those on the forums from now on.
18:21.14kkubasik=/
18:21.16synicLP has some serious whackiness about it.
18:21.19kkubasikfile a blueprint?
18:21.39Heartsbane<hint>you know if we had a website</hint>
18:22.10ZelutHeartsbane: take it up with TechnoViking.  He asked to be in charge of that now.
18:22.34ZelutTechnoViking == MikeB
18:23.07HeartsbaneI know
18:23.27synicdoes the site have to be in drupal?
18:24.05Zelutsynic: it doesn't *have* to be, but I have to get the Canonical admins to change it if we do switch.
18:24.22kkubasiksynic, why, you aret a drupal guy?
18:25.02synicI'm just curious.  I know little to nothing about drupal.
18:25.24kkubasikits pretty easy to use
18:27.33chiltonherlo: yup still here
18:27.48Zelutchilton: welcome
18:27.51Zelut~w00t
18:27.51jbotw00t!!!
18:27.52herlochilton: sweet, just making sure you didn't need anything :)
18:28.07herlochilton: Zelut would be the Ubuntu guy that works at GL
18:28.18kkubasikwhats GL?
18:28.53thaddeusq~GL
18:28.53jbotextra, extra, read all about it, gl is Graphics Language or -Generation Language.(ask me about openGL), or good luck
18:28.58Zelutkkubasik: Guru Labs - the linux training company half the team works for lol
18:29.12kkubasikhahah, awesome!
18:29.36kkubasikhehehe
18:29.57Zelutkkubasik: myself, redbeard2, atoponce, tgelter and herlo all work there
18:30.02Zelutdid I miss anyone?
18:30.06kkubasikawesome, downtown slc?
18:30.08thaddeusqI used to
18:30.27Zelutkkubasik: we're in Bountiful.
18:30.36herloZelut: tene and sjansen, but they're in #utah only
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18:30.50Zelutyeah, they are not users of the true distro ;)
18:31.03kkubasikhehehe ;)
18:31.04synicI thought sjansen was
18:31.07synicfor at least a while anyway
18:31.12thaddeusqsinuhe is also there, no?
18:31.28herlothaddeusq: and sinuhe
18:36.00Yorokobiherlo, which rodizio's? Provo or SLC?
18:36.19herloYorokobi: there's only one Rodizio at Trolley Square
18:36.21herloSLC
18:36.42Yorokobiyour email doesn't specify Trolley Square :)
18:36.47herloYorokobi: The other one in Provo is called Tucano
18:36.55herloYorokobi: so you want to go to Denver?
18:37.03herloclicking the link should help with the location
18:37.07YorokobiDenver? not really. Why?
18:37.23herloYorokobi: click the link, that'll help
18:37.28YorokobiProvo had a Rodizio's Grill at University Mall
18:37.47herlo~seen herlo
18:37.55jbotherlo is currently on #utos #ubuntu-utah #utah #uphpu. Has said a total of 1523 messages. Is idling for 8s, last said: '~seen herlo'.
18:38.08Kemotahaherlo: trying to find yourself?
18:38.10herlo~seen Zelut
18:38.11jbotzelut is currently on #ubuntu-utah (3h 50m 57s). Has said a total of 22 messages. Is idling for 7m 21s, last said: 'yeah, they are not users of the true distro ;)'.
18:38.39sontekherlo you talk to much!
18:38.40Zelutbig brother is watching
18:38.42sontek~seen sontek
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18:39.08HeartsbaneYorokobi: it closed
18:39.13Gate~seen gate
18:39.14jbotgate is currently on #utos #ubuntu-utah. Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen gate'.
18:39.22sontekGate: don't talk so much!
18:39.25Gatehehe
18:39.56HeartsbaneZelut: Might I suggest if your in Dallas a restaurant on the shores of Lake Lewisville north of town, called Sneaky Pete's
18:40.27herloZelut: chilton still needs help wiht compiz, its b0rked
18:40.52Zelutherlo: I tried helping him before when I was there.. I don't know what is going on with it.
18:41.08herlohehe, I know
18:41.34herloZelut: I was just giving you a rash of crap because I tried similar things, but I don't know enough about Ubuntu to really help with X stuff
18:41.34Yorokobi~seen Yorokobi
18:41.35jbotyorokobi is currently on #ubuntu-utah (2d 19h 8m 42s). Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen Yorokobi '.
18:41.56Yorokobihuh, jbot's whois isn't very accurate
18:42.40herloYorokobi: yes it is.  He resets based upon since you logged in
18:43.29YorokobiI'm on more than #ubuntu-utah, though
18:44.10Yorokobiunless s/he's only concerned with rooms s/he is in as well
18:44.24thaddeusqYorokobi: jbot only shows rooms that she is in
18:44.24Kemotaha~notseen kemotaha
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18:50.07tonedevfi'm trying to cook a DVD-R using Gnome/Nautilus and it claims that i must use a DVD+R even though this drive supports both.  Any ideas?
18:50.12tonedevfalso, what's the best CD/DVD burning app?
18:51.00Zeluttonedevf: I always just use right-click, write to disk for .iso images.
18:51.14Zeluttonedevf: otherwise maybe gnomebaker or k3b (if you want KDE taint on your machine)
18:52.30tonedevfin this case i'm making an ad-hoc disc with various folders/files from all over the file system.  i have had luck doing the right-click burn to disc of .iso files you speak of... including having it work on the exact same media that Gnome is now complaining about
18:53.22Zelutits been a while since I've burned anything other than .iso images (does that make me a geek?), but the Places > CD/DVD Creator should work just fine too..
18:53.26Zelutnot sure..
18:54.03tonedevfah, the Places > CD/DVD Creator is what i'm using and having trouble with
18:54.31tonedevfnot sure why it would see a different drive/media compatibility than the burn .iso to disk function
18:55.00ZelutI wonder if gnome is just being difficult.. have you restarted the desktop?
18:55.22tonedevfi haven't.  think that'll help?
18:55.57Zelutsuppose its worth a shot.. or maybe restarting the things that communicate to the drive like hal/dbus or something.
18:58.51tonedevfi'll try that first... one main reason i switched to linux is to reduce the reboots ; )
18:59.35Zelutwe'll try to keep that option until last then :)
19:05.06Zelutjeez, 22 comments on my Epiphany post already.
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19:16.40tonedevfweird
19:18.12tonedevfsource of 4.4GB wouldn't fit on a disc of 4.7GB capacity...  i had to install gnomebaker in order to get an acurate error message.  
19:18.42tonedevfthe CD/DVD Creator is working fine now that i reduced the amount of data to cook to 4GB
19:21.33tonedevfi guess that's good news : )
19:22.03Zeluthmm
19:22.06tonedevfstrange though...  i don't want to do the math to figure exactly how many bytes i was over...  just surprised the 4.4 didn't fit on 4.7
19:22.17Zelutbut it didn't give you a proper error, just died?
19:22.24Zelutsounds like time for a bug submission
19:23.25tonedevfthe error message was very general, with the exception that the last sentence is "Compatible media types are:  DVD+R"
19:24.19tonedevf...which doesn't match was the system *knows* to be the capabilities of the drive as shown in System > Hardware Information
19:28.46tonedevfWrite to Disc:  Data Size: 4.4GB (click Write)
19:28.46tonedevf"Reload a rewriteable or Blank Disc.  Please replace the disc in the drive with a supported disc with at least 4.4 GiB free.  The following disc types are supported: DVD+R DL"
19:28.59tonedevfHence my confusion
19:30.30Zelutbut removing it to 4.0G works fine?
19:31.46tonedevfyep
19:32.06tonedevfsame media
19:32.42tonedevfi guess it's possible that the media is cheap or smaller than it claims to be?
19:32.54ZelutI wonder if its a difference in GB vs GiB. Notice the error reports one measurement and Nautilus is reporting in GB?
19:32.59tonedevfthat's a lot smaller than i thought they could get away with.
19:33.00Zelutor am I stretching on that one..
19:33.15tonedevfyeah, i don't want to do the math on that ; )  
19:33.36tonedevfusually i'm fine with a 0.3 GB or 0.3 GiB buffer
19:33.39Zelutbut I wonder if that is the issue.  someone with mad math skillz, what is the difference?
19:35.58Zeluttonedevf: I submitted a bug on it if you care to follow it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus-cd-burner/+bug/160793
19:36.56tonedevfah cool!  thank you
19:37.37ZelutI'm a bug-whore these days.  If *anything* doesn't work as expected, its a bug.
19:38.28tonedevf: )
19:42.08atoponcei have a student who was mantioning how great ubuntu is and how it's better than fedora
19:42.32atoponceall i could sit there and do was nod my head, and keep my mouth shut
19:42.35Zelutatoponce: careful about agreeing too loudly in class ;)
19:42.45tonedevfclass?
19:43.03atoponcei didn't say a thing. i just let hem have his moment. i didn't argue or agree
19:43.13atoponcetonedevf: RH fundamentals class in PA
19:43.17Zeluttonedevf: we teach linux and we're both teaching classes this week.
19:43.42tonedevffor a specific company?
19:43.48atoponceguru labs
19:43.58tonedevfhad a hunch ; )  good on ya
19:44.11Zelutwe had a whole discussion on this actually just before you logged in
19:44.37tonedevfi have guru labs to thank for giving me some clue and some traction in linux
19:46.19tonedevfw00t!  astronauts are doing their shuttle walk around
19:46.58tonedevfk, i gotta run to a meeting.  thanks Zelut
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20:25.39sontekgood lunch ladies!
20:28.56thaddeusqhmmm. they don't look like the lunch ladies that I remember from school
20:29.10sontekYeah, my school's lunch ladies were much better looking
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20:32.56atoponceheh
20:43.20Supaplexmine was awesome. but then she was my mom to. :-)
21:15.15Heartsbanesontek: yes it was
21:15.53Heartsbanesontek: you left out Yorokobi
21:20.06undertakingyouHeartsbane: how was the lunch man?
21:20.16herlo~lart undertakingyou for being a smartass
21:20.16jbotcuts undertakingyou into thin stripes for being a smartass
21:20.42undertakingyou~lart herlo for random violence
21:20.42jbotnukes herlo with a single large nuke for random violence
21:21.56*** part/#ubuntu-utah chilton (n=cody@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com)
21:22.16Heartsbane~lart herlo and undertakingyou for using gratuitous violence.
21:22.16jbotsays "boot to the head" and knocks herlo and undertakingyou over for using gratuitous violence.
21:22.51HeartsbaneWe should do that more often
21:23.00undertakingyou~whalepoop Heartsbane just because
21:23.01jbotACTION catapults a truckload of whale poop from a freakishly large killer whale named Hugh at Heartsbane just because
21:23.01Heartsbanelike every other month
21:24.03herloundertakingyou: its just more fun this way
21:24.39undertakingyouherlo: ok
21:24.50undertakingyouHeartsbane: I like the idea of a geek lunch.
21:24.57undertakingyouIt is just hard to go
21:25.01undertakingyou:-/
21:26.28Zelutthunderbird is really playing havoc with my gmail..
21:29.14Heartsbanehow?
21:36.45Zelutanytime I open it it starts moving mail into my spam folder from the archive for some reason
21:37.59sontekThats because gmail sucks at catching spam these days
21:38.01sontek;P
21:38.17sontekthe past few months I've been getting more and more spam in my inbox
21:38.31Zelutmine all gets in my spam box but I get hundreds a day
21:41.57*** join/#ubuntu-utah redbeard2 (n=route@c-76-27-49-184.hsd1.ut.comcast.net)
21:51.34nearnyeah, I think i should not get stuck at work next time.
21:56.00undertakingyouZelut: ping
21:57.51Heartsbanesontek: same I am receiving more and more spam on my gmail account
22:00.33HeartsbaneZelut: no idea why that would happen
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23:17.28*** join/#ubuntu-utah tristanbob (n=tristan@oalug/member/tristanbob)
23:18.05tristanbobok, I'm finally upgrading my work PC to 7.10 now...
23:18.53tonedevfclean or upgrade, tristanbob?
23:19.37tristanbobtonedevf: upgrade
23:19.47tristanbobI have upgraded this from 6.10 to 7.04 already
23:19.54tristanbobno problems last time
23:21.02tonedevfi'm mostly worried about having my wacky dual-screen-with-one-rotated-using-two-seperate-xservers config stomped on
23:21.09tristanbobit could happen
23:21.11tristanbob:)
23:21.20tristanbobbut there is bulletproof X
23:21.25tonedevf?
23:21.30tristanbobso save your xorg.conf file
23:21.51tristanbobbulletproof X is like a safe mode
23:23.07tristanbobwow! downloading updates at 3 Mbps
23:29.52tonedevfanyone have a favorite irssi tutorial and/or cheat sheet they'd like to share with teh n00b?
23:29.57sontekI need to get a VPS of Ubuntu setup, I haven't ran Ubuntu since 7.04 launch party
23:31.07sontektonedevf: /server connects you to a server, /j #chan joins a channel, /wc closes the current window
23:31.12sontekthats about all there is too it =)
23:31.39tonedevfthat's the shortest cheat sheet i've seen yet ; )
23:31.49tristanbobI am getting strange SSL errors on WSU websites now
23:31.53tristanbobbeen this way for about a week
23:32.16sontekif you get more than 10 channels, and need to switch to them, just use the qwerty row instead of alt+[0-9]
23:32.42tristanbobcan you try this website?
23:32.50sontekanything for you, tristanbob !
23:33.19tristanbobsontek: what a pal
23:33.20tristanbobwww.weber.edu
23:33.25tristanbobclick on current students
23:33.31tristanbobor faculty and staff
23:33.35tristanbobcan you get to the SSL login page?
23:33.42tristanbobor do you get a funky SSL error page
23:34.00sontekssl works fine for me
23:34.38tristanbobcrap! why is my PC broken, complaining about SSL
23:43.56herlotristanbob: your pc isnt broken
23:45.05herlotristanbob: odds are you are looking at a self-signed cert.  The browser is informing you that the site in question didn't pay the exorbitant amount of money to *guarantee* that a third party agrees that they are who they say they are
23:45.35herlotristanbob: in fact, if you know who created the site, you probafbly can trust them...probably
23:46.43tristanbobherlo: nope that is not it
23:46.52tristanbobwe have a wildcard cert here
23:46.59tristanbobI just installed it on one of my servers
23:47.06tristanbobbut it has been in use on dozens of servers
23:47.20tristanbobyou pay like $300/year for unlimited certs!
23:47.44tristanbobit is not a cert problem because I have visited these sites before, cert has not changed
23:47.57tristanbobfirefox has updated, that is only change I know of
23:48.02tristanbobanyone running 7.04?
23:49.08undertakingyoutristanbob: I thought that you updated to 7.10
23:49.33tonedevftristanbob i
23:49.48tristanbobundertakingyou: 18 minutes left
23:50.14tristanbobI'm upgrading to see if this fixed my problem
23:50.21sontekundertakingyou: you are our October spread for the geek calendar, so get ready!
23:50.32tristanbobhubba hubba!
23:51.13tristanbobI may have to reinstall Ubuntu if the upgrade doesn't fix this problem
23:51.45undertakingyousontek: ok, that is next your right?
23:52.06undertakingyous/our/ear/
23:54.35herlotristanbob: its a corrupted cert or ff, not Ubuntu
23:54.48tristanbobyes, it is FF probably
23:54.50herlotristanbob: my guess, the cert
23:54.53tristanbobI have deleted certs in FF
23:55.00herlotristanbob: not in ff
23:55.06herlotristanbob: the cert is on the site
23:55.12herloand ff downloads it
23:55.24herloyou can try to remove ff and reinstall it
23:55.33tristanbobthe cert has not changed
23:55.34herlobut I bet that won't solve it
23:55.39herlotristanbob: did you copy it?
23:55.49herlofrom somewhere else?
23:56.26sontekundertakingyou: I want to have it to sell at UTOSC2008
23:56.41sontekundertakingyou: so we'll probably start shooting in July next year
23:57.23undertakingyousontek: is the fall going to to be the hefty and geeky month?

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