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| 01:12.39 | mheath | Hmm |
| 01:13.14 | mheath | What does one do if their university isn't offering enough classes towards their major for them to even be a full time student off them? |
| 01:13.41 | mheath | There are exactly two classes, a total of 8 credit hours, that count towards my degree which the university is offering in spring |
| 01:32.25 | synic | get a job? |
| 01:32.28 | synic | heh |
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| 03:19.20 | mheath | Anyone here particularly skilled at writing Openoffice.org writer templates? |
| 03:19.49 | mheath | synic: I'd love one that doesn't suck as much as my current one. I was actually talking about taking a semester off of school to work and save up money for my wedding. |
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| 05:21.04 | findlay | hello |
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| 14:32.08 | kkubasik | morning |
| 14:32.23 | findlay | ~morning kkubasik |
| 14:32.24 | jbot | ACTION bends space and time, trapping kkubasik in a universe of eternal monday mornings |
| 14:32.42 | kkubasik | haha |
| 14:33.34 | kkubasik | does anyone know the format with which the meeting things (like the one this coming sat) are conducted? |
| 14:33.56 | mheath | Morning kkubasik |
| 14:34.20 | kkubasik | more specifically the presentations? I'm just trying to figure out, should I make slides or summin, or do people do more of a q & a thing? |
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| 15:33.43 | atoponce | kkubasi1: you are presenting at the next meeting? |
| 15:34.26 | kkubasi1 | atoponce: yeah, I believe I am |
| 15:34.51 | atoponce | what topic? |
| 15:34.58 | kkubasi1 | beagle and tracker |
| 15:35.12 | kkubasi1 | to kinda accompany find and locate |
| 15:35.53 | atoponce | usually, presentation are done with slides, but it's your presentation, so you can do as you please. :) |
| 15:36.49 | kkubasi1 | okieday, normally a projector, or should I plan on presenting on a different machine? |
| 15:38.23 | atoponce | we nomally have a projector. if not, herlo has one that he usually brings with him |
| 15:38.29 | atoponce | *normally |
| 15:38.42 | atoponce | where are we meeting for dec? |
| 15:56.27 | herlo | atoponce: my projector is b0rken |
| 15:56.46 | atoponce | what good is that? |
| 15:56.49 | redbeard2 | ~bork herlo |
| 15:56.50 | jbot | ACTION borks herlo |
| 15:56.51 | atoponce | what'd you do? |
| 16:02.41 | herlo | atoponce: nothing, I showed up to the MDRP on Saturday and it just didn't work |
| 16:07.29 | maquis | morning all |
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| 16:28.45 | findlay-w | herlo: it was art |
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| 17:02.54 | maquis | http://www.marksandspencer.com/gp/product/B000W16T3O |
| 17:04.12 | maquis | that looks tasty |
| 17:12.05 | herlo | findlay-w: true |
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| 18:53.09 | VeryHF | Wenn es ist M$ |
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| 19:23.43 | kkubasi1 | Zelut: ping |
| 19:23.54 | kkubasi1 | or anyone who knows what's up with the meeting |
| 19:24.03 | Zelut | kkubasi1: pong |
| 19:24.03 | kkubasi1 | what's a ballpark time |
| 19:24.15 | Zelut | 6:00pm. Did I forget to mention that in the email? |
| 19:24.18 | kkubasi1 | or length to present? |
| 19:24.27 | kkubasi1 | sorry, I see the time now |
| 19:24.35 | kkubasi1 | but about how long should I target the talk? |
| 19:24.47 | kkubasi1 | 20 min? |
| 19:24.52 | Zelut | kkubasi1: I figure half-hour for find & locate and the same for beagle-tracker if you can. |
| 19:25.08 | kkubasi1 | def |
| 19:25.48 | Zelut | I would like to see reasons to use tracker/beagle. As I mentioned before, so far I don't see benefits beyond what I can do with find/locate |
| 19:26.09 | kkubasi1 | definatly should I cover synatx/usage? |
| 19:27.00 | Zelut | sure.. I like to know why + how |
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| 19:32.13 | kkubasi1 | just an open question, im doing my slides now, so any questions anyone has about desktop indexers/searches let me know now |
| 19:32.16 | kkubasi1 | (includes metadata) |
| 19:33.02 | herlo | kkubasi1: I'd like to see the cpu usage of breadth vs depth searches using indexes vs full searches |
| 19:33.24 | kkubasi1 | ok, I'll see if I can't wrangle up some loose numbers |
| 19:34.05 | herlo | kkubasi1: cool |
| 19:34.09 | kkubasi1 | Ok, I think the big thing is indexers provide 0 time depth searches |
| 19:34.17 | kkubasi1 | correction '0' time |
| 19:35.50 | kkubasi1 | I'm really unfamiliar with find |
| 19:36.03 | herlo | kkubasi1: I'll take care of that! :) |
| 19:36.14 | herlo | kkubasi1: its not '0' time, however |
| 19:36.16 | kkubasi1 | how would I search all directories bellow the current one which have the word 'beagle' in the content |
| 19:36.26 | herlo | find -name beagle |
| 19:36.29 | kkubasi1 | and then search just filenames for 'beagle' |
| 19:36.35 | kkubasi1 | ohh.. that's awesomely easy |
| 19:36.36 | kkubasi1 | :) |
| 19:36.41 | herlo | kkubasi1: find can't search inside files |
| 19:36.45 | herlo | without help |
| 19:36.47 | kkubasi1 | ahhhhhh |
| 19:37.10 | sontek | you should discuss how tracker sucks because its not mono |
| 19:37.17 | herlo | the point of find is to look *at* the directory tree and identify some sort of attribute, name being one of them... |
| 19:37.19 | sontek | thats a very important subject that should be touched upon. |
| 19:37.38 | kkubasi1 | sontek: will do ;) |
| 19:37.52 | kkubasi1 | actually, trackers fault is a lack of real direction at the moment |
| 19:38.25 | sontek | I would definitely like to see some numbers on speed differences |
| 19:38.28 | kkubasi1 | lots of development, but its half a sqlite wrapper on crack and half an indexer |
| 19:38.32 | sontek | especially with mono 1.2.6 |
| 19:38.38 | kkubasi1 | yeah, im setting up a test environment |
| 19:38.41 | sontek | they've made *lots* of runtime speed enhancements |
| 19:38.48 | kkubasi1 | is mono 1.2.6 released? |
| 19:38.50 | sontek | and ofcourse memory usage |
| 19:38.53 | kkubasi1 | or still just trunk? |
| 19:38.53 | sontek | its tagged for release |
| 19:38.55 | sontek | its not released yet |
| 19:39.52 | sontek | But if you were going to do performance testing, I wouldn't use 1.2.5, it wouldn't be a valid comparison |
| 19:40.24 | sontek | can you also do a comparison of API's? |
| 19:40.35 | sontek | How easy is it to integrate tracker/beagle into your applications? |
| 19:40.43 | kkubasi1 | definatly |
| 19:41.02 | kkubasi1 | how interested would people be in sample apps for both directions? |
| 19:41.09 | kkubasi1 | like adding to the index and removing from? |
| 19:41.17 | sontek | I would be very interested, but i'm not going to be there :( |
| 19:41.38 | sontek | but if you record your screen, we'll have the stream going already |
| 19:41.56 | sontek | yeah, adding/removing indexes, and then even executing a search |
| 19:41.58 | clutchmm | sontek: you won't be there on Saturday? |
| 19:42.07 | sontek | clutchmm: no, I'm leaving for Michigan at 5am that day |
| 19:42.11 | sontek | clutchmm: vacation time =) |
| 19:42.33 | clutchmm | sontek: sweet! visit my dad while you are there:) |
| 19:42.42 | sontek | clutchmm: wheres he at? |
| 19:43.10 | sontek | kkubasi1: a nice integration search would be like in banshee, searching for files by artist in a library with thousands of files |
| 19:43.20 | clutchmm | sontek: He just bought a house in Lincoln Park |
| 19:43.44 | sontek | clutchmm: nice, I'll be in Southgate on Wednesday |
| 19:43.58 | clutchmm | cool |
| 19:44.00 | sontek | clutchmm: but my family is actually in Central MI |
| 19:44.25 | clutchmm | sontek: I was born in ypsilanti |
| 19:44.50 | sontek | clutchmm: thats where my dad lives, but we don't talk with him anymore :P |
| 19:45.11 | clutchmm | grew up between Provo, UT and Ann Arbor/Dearborn |
| 19:45.18 | clutchmm | MI |
| 19:45.41 | sontek | kkubasi1: I'd also like to see memory footrpint between tracker and beagle (beagle will also do much better with this in 1.2.6) |
| 19:46.32 | kkubasi1 | awesome, I'm checking out trunk now to build |
| 19:46.49 | opapo | Reblasting my machine for the Nth time |
| 19:47.32 | clutchmm | anyone know how long it takes for launchpad to respond to a bug submission? I reported one about 3 days ago and the only response I have gotten is from another user saying he had the same problem |
| 19:47.42 | atoponce | does rsync copy over the whole file, or the changes inside the file? |
| 19:47.43 | sontek | kkubasi1: and I'd also touch on the fact that gnome is including libbeagle by default now (which makes it a better choice for mono devs atleast) and that it *is* C, not mono |
| 19:47.53 | sontek | atoponce: rsync does delta's |
| 19:48.05 | kkubasi1 | yeah, I've already got a thing on libbeagle in the slides |
| 19:48.09 | atoponce | which means... |
| 19:48.12 | kkubasi1 | ITS C PEOPLE |
| 19:48.15 | kkubasi1 | NOT MONO! |
| 19:48.22 | kkubasi1 | ;) |
| 19:48.27 | sontek | clutchmm: depends on the bug/priority, and who maintains it |
| 19:48.31 | sontek | clutchmm: could take over a year :P |
| 19:49.26 | clutchmm | I might dump Gutsy before then :-/ |
| 19:49.47 | sontek | clutchmm: you could track down the maintainer and talk to him personally |
| 19:49.55 | clutchmm | and just go back to feisty |
| 19:50.18 | clutchmm | sontek: how do I find out who the maintainer is? |
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| 19:50.35 | atoponce | sontek: deltas meaning... |
| 19:50.48 | atoponce | chages like diff and patch? |
| 19:51.02 | atoponce | s/age/ange/ |
| 19:51.56 | clutchmm | butt |
| 19:52.07 | clutchmm | s/butt/ass/ |
| 19:52.15 | clutchmm | :) |
| 19:52.23 | clutchmm | sorry had to try that |
| 19:55.00 | clutchmm | sontek: my bug report page says no one is assigned to it yet |
| 19:56.04 | sontek | clutchmm: I mean the maintainer of the project that has the bug, not the bug maintainer |
| 19:56.07 | sontek | atoponce: oops sorry |
| 19:56.14 | sontek | atoponce: deltas are just diffs basicly |
| 19:57.27 | sontek | atoponce: as far as I know, they got the name from some math symbol that was called a delta and got the difference |
| 20:04.42 | atoponce | so, i can use rsync in place of diff and patch on my local machine? |
| 20:06.47 | herlo | atoponce: for single files? |
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| 21:31.34 | javamd | I get a run fsck with --rebuild-tree option. But could someone tell me what the complete command should be as I keep getting the options of fsck displayed or nothing happens |
| 21:31.58 | javamd | I am in the kernel recovery mode option of the grub boot menu |
| 21:32.11 | herlo | javamd: is it ext3? |
| 21:32.26 | herlo | javamd: if so, I suggest a quick read of man e2fsck |
| 21:32.43 | javamd | reiserfs |
| 21:33.04 | Yorokobi | man 8 fsck.reiserfs |
| 21:35.22 | javamd | I dont have another linux box so online the man pages of fsck does not show any --rebuild-tree option |
| 21:36.08 | herlo | javamd: you can search google for them |
| 21:36.17 | herlo | type exactly what Yorokobi said and it'll return results |
| 21:36.38 | Yorokobi | http://man-wiki.net/index.php/8:fsck.reiserfs |
| 21:37.39 | javamd | I ran reiserfsck -a --rebuild-tree /dev/sda it prompts yes or no and returns me back to the command prompt |
| 21:39.24 | javamd | it returns immediately isn't it supposed to take some time |
| 21:39.30 | javamd | thanks |
| 21:40.23 | Yorokobi | javamd, its unlikely that anyone here uses reiserfs; if so, they're either away or not speaking up |
| 21:41.43 | javamd | does everyone here recommend ext3 |
| 21:41.44 | herlo | javamd: I suggest you look for the reiserfs irc chanel |
| 21:41.48 | herlo | javamd: no |
| 21:42.04 | herlo | though ext3 does work well |
| 21:43.45 | javamd | thank you |
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| 23:29.55 | thenetduck | hey was there a map posted to the Saturday meeting? |