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| 12:19.06 | qopi | olisb: phpwebsite does look pretty cool doesn't it? |
| 12:19.24 | olisb | yeah, mornin! |
| 12:19.55 | olisb | just having a crack at The Joseph Visionary form ;) |
| 12:20.43 | qopi | cool |
| 12:20.51 | qopi | any news about forum yet? |
| 12:21.03 | olisb | no |
| 12:21.13 | olisb | nor from shaun |
| 12:21.21 | qopi | :/ |
| 12:25.12 | olisb | qopi: it'd b cool if you could have a crack at the Vision form too, so we can swap without being prejudiced by seeing each others first.... |
| 12:25.24 | olisb | r u up 4 it? |
| 12:28.14 | qopi | olisb: i've started filling it in a few times, but haven't got very far |
| 12:28.35 | olisb | lol |
| 12:28.42 | olisb | yeah, it's not bloody easy! |
| 12:28.51 | olisb | but must be done. |
| 12:40.24 | qopi | you seen this olisb : http://nguild.org/Opinions |
| 12:40.43 | qopi | mose starting to use his ratable trackers |
| 12:40.53 | qopi | just like on vote.nornia |
| 12:43.29 | olisb | i dont have perms to view that page ;( |
| 12:44.17 | olisb | are u admin qopi? |
| 12:45.09 | olisb | can u crack up my perms? |
| 12:45.21 | olisb | s/crack/crank |
| 12:45.48 | qopi | are you reg'd? |
| 12:47.00 | qopi | olisb: nevermind, it is just a list of members of nguild in rateable trackers like the ideas in nornia |
| 12:47.20 | olisb | i just regd |
| 12:57.30 | qopi | have you noticed how it shows user info when you hover over usernames in online users mod? |
| 12:58.24 | qopi | olisb: what do you think? |
| 12:58.57 | olisb | qui? |
| 12:59.43 | olisb | oh yeah, the hover's quite nice, but could be annoying to some peoplpe, especially with small screens |
| 13:00.01 | olisb | what u mean 'uber tiki so we can share it'? |
| 13:00.07 | olisb | we are sharing it! |
| 13:00.14 | olisb | altho it may not be uber |
| 13:00.52 | olisb | but it would be better with more hackers on board |
| 13:08.13 | qopi | olisb: i mean be able to offer hosted uber tikis to everyone |
| 13:08.29 | qopi | olisb: why did you get rid of.. |
| 13:08.33 | qopi | "!!PlaNet: The Open Co-op communications system |
| 13:08.34 | qopi | - |
| 13:08.36 | qopi | -The purpose of the communications system is to make it easy for the members of the Open Co-op to coordinate their activities and trade with each other, creating an ethical trading network. It will be set up and supported by the Computer and Communications Co-ops (CCC) in each Open Co-op Community. |
| 13:08.37 | qopi | - |
| 13:08.38 | qopi | -It will be developed as Open Source software with the support of the open source community. It will be further developed, maintained and customised for local use by the linked network of CCCs. Wherever possible it will build on existing open source software systems and modules." |
| 13:09.04 | olisb | it sounded like a bit of a lie to me, missleading the punters... |
| 13:09.29 | olisb | why did The chap from CBN think we were *actually* making PLaNet? |
| 13:09.36 | olisb | He read it somewhere |
| 13:09.44 | qopi | why, it all says "will" |
| 13:09.54 | olisb | sure 'It will be developed..' |
| 13:09.57 | olisb | will it? |
| 13:10.01 | olisb | who by ? |
| 13:10.03 | olisb | when? |
| 13:10.09 | olisb | with what funds? |
| 13:10.45 | olisb | "It will be further developed, maintained and customised for local use by the linked network of CCCs." |
| 13:10.48 | olisb | Bollocks |
| 13:11.07 | olisb | The purpose of the communications system is to make it easy for the members of the Open Co-op to coordinate their activities and trade with each other, creating an ethical trading network. |
| 13:11.07 | qopi | lol |
| 13:11.20 | olisb | Thats makes it sound VERY MUCH like it works already |
| 13:11.34 | olisb | "It will be set up and supported by the Computer and Communications Co-ops (CCC) in each Open Co-op Community." |
| 13:11.38 | qopi | yeah, i guess that bit does |
| 13:11.39 | olisb | Bollocks again! |
| 13:11.57 | qopi | but I don't think the other stuff is bollocks |
| 13:12.10 | qopi | all communities should have a CCC |
| 13:12.18 | olisb | i think 'dream software' is enuf for me |
| 13:12.43 | olisb | should haves and might haves and may dos suck |
| 13:13.03 | olisb | right :) |
| 13:14.08 | qopi | olisb: you seem to have forgotten about wanting CSP etc. completely? |
| 13:14.28 | olisb | i want them alright |
| 13:14.40 | olisb | but see no way of making them hapen |
| 13:14.44 | olisb | yet |
| 13:15.02 | olisb | so dont think we should talk about them so flipantly |
| 13:15.15 | olisb | 'we're setting up CSPs" |
| 13:15.29 | olisb | er... right... lets see one then? |
| 13:16.18 | olisb | anne what? |
| 13:16.49 | qopi | we've got a long way to go, but we do have plans |
| 13:16.52 | olisb | yeah, i sort of agree |
| 13:17.17 | olisb | exactly, there's a big diff between 'trying to set up' and 'setting up' |
| 13:17.34 | qopi | guess so |
| 13:17.36 | olisb | that's what I'd like to work on with you and Gary, once we have a few real partners |
| 13:18.02 | qopi | what? actaully getting a CSP up and running? |
| 13:18.18 | olisb | yeah, i was thinking abouut aour 1st meet at Garys last night |
| 13:18.27 | qopi | go on... |
| 13:18.36 | olisb | and how we planned to partner ALL sorts of businesses in order to do this |
| 13:18.47 | olisb | they were going to deliver services |
| 13:18.51 | olisb | to members |
| 13:19.05 | olisb | it was a big part of the *business* |
| 13:19.37 | qopi | you mean how the CSPs we're going to re-sell services to members? |
| 13:19.39 | olisb | and as yet we haven't reallly followed that through |
| 13:19.53 | olisb | yeah, sort of |
| 13:20.15 | olisb | but before we could make CSPs we needed companies on board |
| 13:20.40 | qopi | right, and we need companies that want a CSP to exist |
| 13:21.06 | olisb | maybe, really all they have to want is to expand market share... |
| 13:21.14 | qopi | i.e. companies/orgs that would want to use the space |
| 13:21.26 | olisb | and understand the benfit of a network of CSP resellers... |
| 13:21.54 | olisb | i dont think they are to start with |
| 13:22.02 | olisb | although that would obviously help |
| 13:22.14 | olisb | right |
| 13:22.22 | qopi | i think we need to be clear about what a CSP is |
| 13:22.45 | qopi | to me, it is a One Planet Living Center, Synergy Centre, whatever you want to call it |
| 13:22.47 | olisb | still, my point is that without some (many) more business as service providers Open is a bit flawed |
| 13:23.05 | olisb | i agree with those terms |
| 13:23.21 | qopi | with ethical supermarket, eco-offices, housing, cafe, bar, club, all wirelessed up etc |
| 13:23.59 | qopi | i think we should be getting people together who want to collectively own and operate London's first CSP somewhere |
| 13:24.38 | olisb | don't u think we need more business behind us first? |
| 13:24.56 | olisb | e.g. dels with SUma |
| 13:25.05 | olisb | and that HUGE organic food importer |
| 13:25.10 | olisb | etc |
| 13:25.22 | olisb | also, leccy car people |
| 13:25.32 | olisb | and biogas conversion people |
| 13:25.43 | olisb | and bike shops etc |
| 13:26.35 | qopi | right, so what you're really saying is that we need to form an sustainable living solutions buyers group or something |
| 13:27.18 | olisb | yeah, if u like |
| 13:27.32 | olisb | perhaps talk to via 3 |
| 13:27.43 | olisb | and soil assoc |
| 13:27.48 | olisb | and bio-regional |
| 13:27.53 | olisb | about delivering it too |
| 13:28.13 | olisb | i.e do the *networking* the sust econ. not the buildiong of it |
| 13:29.04 | qopi | i don't think we need to sort out all those deals before we can move forward |
| 13:29.28 | olisb | what then, would be your plan? |
| 13:30.27 | qopi | we'll it will be easier to get deals if we can convince people we have a network of people ready to act as sales and marketing agents |
| 13:30.40 | olisb | chicken and egg |
| 13:30.51 | qopi | not really |
| 13:31.24 | olisb | so how do we get a 'network of people ready to act as sales and marketing agents'? |
| 13:31.38 | qopi | we just have to convince groups like synergy, 491 etc of our plans to make money by co-operative marketing and selling ethical goods, saving the money and buying a building |
| 13:31.43 | olisb | without any tangible prods or serives? |
| 13:32.19 | qopi | olisb: getting prod and services aint a problem in most cases |
| 13:32.32 | qopi | we just open a trade account and start ordering |
| 13:32.49 | olisb | ok, cool, but, dont u think we should work out how e will be 'marketing and selling ethical goods, saving the money ' first (in case we find we can't!? |
| 13:33.03 | qopi | and we have phone co-op and solar water straight away (plus via3) |
| 13:33.53 | qopi | olisb: i've thought about that quite a lot |
| 13:34.05 | olisb | i'm sure ;) |
| 13:34.12 | olisb | we do need to agree on a plan tho |
| 13:34.26 | olisb | where's Gary Dam it! |
| 13:34.48 | qopi | i think what is needed is all the cool event organisers to make an agreement to co-advertise each-other (and the shared shop/mail order service) |
| 13:35.04 | olisb | was he still planning to come to London Town to meet with us this week? |
| 13:35.19 | qopi | we sorta talked about that yes |
| 13:35.42 | olisb | who are'all the cool event organisers' and why would they? |
| 13:35.54 | qopi | but we can decide on a plan about how ud, as London's Open Co-op, intends to set-up a CSP |
| 13:36.46 | olisb | i dont agree that London as a whole should have 1 CSP, i think that is too big, i see CSPs as very ylocal things |
| 13:37.27 | qopi | all the cool event organisers are synergy, ud, ecf, peace not war, revolutionation, labofii, reason2b, etc. |
| 13:37.54 | qopi | they would because they share our values and understand the need for us to have a large community building |
| 13:37.56 | olisb | and I am not sure that UD should be aiming to set up CSPs anyway, but that's up pto it members ;) |
| 13:38.26 | qopi | olisb: i also think that every area should have a CSP, but think we need a flagship store |
| 13:38.59 | olisb | 'flagship store'? soun ds like John Lewis! |
| 13:39.18 | qopi | hopefully become as successful |
| 13:39.32 | qopi | but yes, flagship store/centre |
| 13:39.36 | olisb | define |
| 13:39.37 | qopi | ideally on potters field! |
| 13:40.19 | qopi | flagship store = large centre that proves the model |
| 13:40.47 | qopi | it needed even be large really, but it would be nice if it were |
| 13:41.21 | olisb | how did u get on blaggin us office space then? |
| 13:41.38 | qopi | not tried yet |
| 13:41.51 | olisb | ok |
| 13:42.03 | olisb | I'd like to continue this conversation in person |
| 13:42.08 | olisb | with Gary and others too |
| 13:42.10 | qopi | yes, so would i |
| 13:42.23 | olisb | perhaps we can convince him to come to town on fri? |
| 13:42.35 | qopi | perhaps, why fri? |
| 13:42.52 | olisb | he mentioned it, provisionally |
| 13:44.19 | qopi | olisb: what are you confused about? |
| 13:44.58 | olisb | pretty much everything! |
| 13:45.21 | lisppaste2 | olisb pasted "except this" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/5810 |
| 13:46.01 | qopi | 1. Convince like-minded event organisers or the need for community owned space and how we should be more effective at getting the news out about sustainable living solutions |
| 13:46.36 | olisb | that wont take long, but getting them to actually do anything might |
| 13:47.34 | qopi | 2. get them all to a) help raise profile of land fund b) advertise the co-op shop, all proceeds of which go to member groups and/or the fund |
| 13:48.11 | qopi | 3. get them to do this simply by agreeing to add 2 links to the footer of all their e-mail and on their websites |
| 13:48.41 | olisb | they might actuall do that :) |
| 13:49.11 | qopi | one link to the member event listings page (with downloadable weekly guide in pdf), the other to the shop |
| 13:49.34 | qopi | something like that anyway |
| 13:49.34 | olisb | this Land Fund needs some serious clout if it is to be taken seriously tho |
| 13:49.47 | olisb | like partnershpis with ec-building society |
| 13:49.53 | olisb | and London Heritage |
| 13:49.58 | olisb | or some other big players |
| 13:50.02 | qopi | and they should add the link to their flyers etc |
| 13:50.41 | olisb | I see the 'event listings page' as the OPen Webcal |
| 13:51.08 | qopi | really we want BioRegional and Ethical Property I think, but yes, also Ecology Building Society etc |
| 13:51.27 | olisb | right |
| 13:51.48 | qopi | so start with I think we'd get The London Rebuilding Society involved |
| 13:51.55 | qopi | to start with |
| 13:52.04 | olisb | right |
| 13:52.25 | olisb | there must be some land trusts that promote common ownership of land |
| 13:52.35 | olisb | for the peeps by the peeps etc |
| 13:52.43 | qopi | what you mean? |
| 13:52.55 | qopi | that is what community land trusts are, no? |
| 13:53.06 | olisb | isn't someone doing sort of what u aim to do already? |
| 13:53.23 | qopi | in london? |
| 13:53.32 | olisb | ok, so where are theexisting community land trusts? |
| 13:54.07 | qopi | all over the place. prob some links on http://ud.lir.be/CommunityLandTrust |
| 13:54.23 | olisb | then they are the first point of call |
| 13:54.33 | qopi | yes and no |
| 13:54.45 | qopi | we are the experts on the situation in london |
| 13:55.09 | olisb | shared beest practice tho? we need to know how they do etc. |
| 13:55.17 | qopi | and on new forms of effective collaborative organisational networks |
| 13:56.15 | qopi | best practice is largely having a standard charity with a board of trustees, which is not best practice imho |
| 13:56.27 | olisb | i like your Community Land trust idea |
| 13:56.37 | olisb | and think it is a vital part of Open etc |
| 13:56.45 | olisb | but it seems like such a large project |
| 13:57.01 | olisb | that it would detract from the core Open goals... |
| 13:57.13 | olisb | and functionality, initially |
| 13:57.31 | olisb | hence i say, do network the event ornanisrs |
| 13:57.40 | olisb | and get them working together |
| 13:57.51 | olisb | but leave the land trust till later |
| 13:58.12 | olisb | just mho |
| 13:58.14 | qopi | i think that the land trust idea is what will make them work together |
| 13:58.24 | qopi | you can't have a real community without a commons |
| 13:58.35 | olisb | so have a simpler commons |
| 13:58.41 | qopi | they are all already networked |
| 13:58.58 | olisb | if you say to them 'we aim to buy potters feild' it's so long termist they might not dig it |
| 13:59.11 | qopi | i wouldn't say that |
| 13:59.13 | olisb | they need more instant results |
| 13:59.49 | qopi | i would say - let's start a collective fund to buy land/make small revolving loans |
| 14:00.09 | qopi | they would get instant results through the shared marketing of member events |
| 14:00.48 | olisb | i see more productivity in other ventures |
| 14:00.58 | olisb | i.e partnering business |
| 14:01.09 | olisb | to deliver sust solutions |
| 14:01.35 | qopi | all we're agreeing is 1) more people should know about all these cool events 2) everyone should know about existing sustainable living solutions 3) we can't have a sustainable community without a commons |
| 14:02.40 | olisb | gotta go eat |
| 14:16.15 | qopi | means by |
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| 14:37.50 | olisb | hi gary |
| 14:37.59 | garyalex | hi olisb |
| 14:38.14 | olisb | did u seee that chat qopi and I were having b4 lunch? |
| 14:38.14 | garyalex | I'm in my office, just catching up on email. |
| 14:38.26 | garyalex | no I didn't. |
| 14:38.38 | garyalex | and I can't see the log until tomorrow, I believe! |
| 14:38.47 | olisb | well, we were discussing plans |
| 14:38.59 | garyalex | Ah! good. |
| 14:39.04 | olisb | and wondering if u were planning to come to town on friday to meet uup |
| 14:39.15 | garyalex | My first task today is to put up a revised version of the Strategic Plan. |
| 14:39.26 | olisb | cool |
| 14:40.18 | garyalex | Yes, OK (to friday) |
| 14:40.29 | olisb | great |
| 14:40.49 | garyalex | Can you email me any key things you were discussing this morning? |
| 14:40.51 | olisb | i'll work on an agenda ;) |
| 14:41.23 | garyalex | Good. I'll do the document now. The easiest way would be to attach it as a word document to a wiki page. |
| 14:41.40 | garyalex | Harder would be to try to turn it into a wiki page. |
| 14:42.06 | olisb | ok, but add a note to the page as otherwise it wont show up in changes |
| 14:42.35 | olisb | it was a fairly general chat RE Land trusts and othe rthings but i'l mail u the chat |
| 14:42.38 | garyalex | I don't think there is an existing page for this, is there? |
| 14:45.59 | olisb | not sure |
| 14:46.16 | qopi | hi garyalex |
| 14:46.29 | garyalex | hi qopi |
| 14:46.42 | qopi | i've gotta pop out now, but can you tell me when you were thinking of having an event at the OU garyalex ? |
| 14:47.29 | garyalex | I've just been talking to my secretary about it. Probably next spring. |
| 14:47.46 | garyalex | Well, it's a big campus but without any students!!! |
| 14:48.01 | garyalex | It has lecture theatres, meeting rooms |
| 14:48.25 | garyalex | The old lecture theatre is a good venue for live entertainment. |
| 14:48.34 | qopi | big campus, no students - sounds like a lot of space that could be put to good use |
| 14:48.43 | garyalex | If the weather is nice, there are outdoor spaces. |
| 14:48.52 | qopi | garyalex: could i come and have a visit? |
| 14:49.02 | garyalex | Big campus, lots of staff, no students., |
| 14:49.09 | garyalex | of course |
| 14:49.35 | garyalex | We can have a meeting here, and all admire Baldrick in the flesh(???) |
| 14:49.40 | garyalex | flesh/silicon |
| 14:49.54 | qopi | sounds like a plan |
| 14:50.41 | qopi | perhaps have the next open meeting after the one on friday there? |
| 14:51.03 | garyalex | sure |
| 14:52.07 | qopi | i.e. only us 4 (if tom can make it), plus evangineer if he wants to come too |
| 14:52.31 | olisb | and to discuss general plans for action |
| 14:52.40 | olisb | direction etc |
| 14:53.03 | olisb | a reflection and re-focus from our initial meet in Diss |
| 14:53.17 | olisb | s/from/on |
| 14:53.58 | qopi | got wireless now, so plenty of connectivity |
| 14:54.10 | qopi | 4 computers here anyway |
| 14:54.34 | qopi | what time we thinking? |
| 14:54.42 | qopi | from quite early until evening? |
| 14:55.06 | qopi | garyalex: when could you get to london? |
| 14:56.13 | garyalex | on the phone |
| 14:56.38 | qopi | ok |
| 14:57.42 | olisb | but yeah, from early... onwards |
| 14:58.05 | qopi | shall we say from 10am? |
| 14:58.17 | qopi | or is that too early |
| 14:58.27 | olisb | lol |
| 14:58.38 | olisb | no, that's a good time |
| 14:59.54 | qopi | ok, so assuming that is ok with garyalex and that i get clearance from the mother, 10am it is |
| 15:00.57 | qopi | evangineer: are you free friday? garyalex olisb and i are gonna have a general where are we what is our strategy meeting from 10am at my place |
| 15:01.06 | qopi | general meeting |
| 15:01.29 | garyalex | Sorry guys, I've been on the phone. |
| 15:01.55 | garyalex | Interesting guy named Moeen Yaseen, who seems very much on our wavelength and is well connected. |
| 15:02.12 | garyalex | He wants to meet us, and I suggested a short meeting at 5 pm on Friday! |
| 15:02.48 | garyalex | So, I'll catch the earliest train I can get on my senior railcard. I'll check that out now and let you know when it arrives. |
| 15:03.54 | qopi | we both attending the workshop held by NEPD |
| 15:04.01 | qopi | he is on the ball |
| 15:04.13 | qopi | but no so much that he realised who i was |
| 15:09.29 | garyalex | Sorry guys, I didn't quite manage to get the train times, and have just heard that Rick Nelson has arrived, so I'm off now to get him. Will check train times and put up the strategic plan later or tomorrow. |
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| 17:29.47 | garyalex | hi evangineer, olisb, qopi anyone around? |
| 17:30.06 | olisb | in, out, shake it alll about! |
| 17:30.45 | garyalex | OK, my visitors have just gone. All talk up in the stratosphere! Don't know if anything will come of it. |
| 17:31.04 | olisb | Solar Rouf gui? |
| 17:31.08 | garyalex | The man with the money seems to be Moeen, who we will see on Friday. |
| 17:31.31 | olisb | where? |
| 17:31.34 | garyalex | Solaroofguy yes, plus friend Jonathon from UK Psychological Socitey. |
| 17:31.42 | olisb | what's he do, where's his cash from? |
| 17:32.20 | evangineer | how is Rick? what's he up to these days? |
| 17:32.27 | garyalex | I'm not sure. I think it is from Muslim banks. He's organising a consortium to help with the tsunami disaster from Islamic sources. |
| 17:32.46 | garyalex | Rick is in very good form. And very enthusiastic about us. |
| 17:32.58 | garyalex | Talks a lot about getting funding for us. |
| 17:33.05 | evangineer | good to hear! |
| 17:33.06 | olisb | hmmmm methink the world has forgotten the Africans bcoz of that wave... |
| 17:33.10 | garyalex | That's a lot of why I keep seeing him! |
| 17:33.25 | garyalex | Yes, so I gather (about Africa). |
| 17:33.30 | evangineer | olisb, typical really |
| 17:33.41 | olisb | badly plannned i say |
| 17:33.53 | olisb | this year was supposed to be 'aid for africa year' |
| 17:33.54 | garyalex | Anyway, are we all on for Friday at Josef's? |
| 17:34.06 | olisb | which got sidetracked... |
| 17:34.12 | olisb | yeah |
| 17:34.29 | olisb | when and where is mooohem!?!?! |
| 17:34.30 | garyalex | Where does josef live? |
| 17:34.33 | garyalex | Near a tube station? |
| 17:34.51 | garyalex | Mooeem Yaseen. |
| 17:35.13 | olisb | West Hampstead |
| 17:35.20 | garyalex | We'll know more on Friday. I said it would just be a short introductory visit, because I think we'll have lots to get on with. |
| 17:36.17 | garyalex | My earliest cheap train is the 8:47 arriving at Liverpool St. at 10:24. |
| 17:36.45 | garyalex | So, I could probably get to Josef's in what? half an hour? 45 minutes? |
| 17:37.11 | garyalex | But you guys could start at 8:30 if you want! ;) |
| 17:38.01 | garyalex | Yes, we said about 5 pm. |
| 17:38.11 | garyalex | After his afternoon prayers. |
| 17:38.24 | olisb | when and where |
| 17:39.21 | garyalex | When he rang, I was in the middle of the IRC chat with you, discussing where we would meet on Friday, so I told Yaseen he could come to Josef's for a brief meeting with us all. |
| 17:39.30 | garyalex | Still to be confirmed. |
| 17:39.41 | garyalex | But he sounded like a real go-=ahead guy. |
| 17:39.45 | qopi | moeen is from global vision 2000, and is organising a conference on islamic banking and has managed to get bartercard to sponsor it |
| 17:39.53 | evangineer | ooh! |
| 17:39.55 | garyalex | Thanks qopi |
| 17:39.59 | olisb | wb qopi |
| 17:40.06 | qopi | and yes, he seems like a go-getter |
| 17:40.43 | garyalex | qopi, how would I get to your place from Liverpool St. station? |
| 17:40.49 | garyalex | and how long would it take/ |
| 17:41.15 | qopi | http://solaroof.org/pmwiki6/pmwiki.php/Profiles/MoeenYaseen |
| 17:43.55 | garyalex | But we are talking about just us, I presume: me, josef, oli, mamading and possibly tom if he can come for part of the time |
| 17:44.08 | garyalex | And then Moeen for a little while. |
| 17:44.09 | qopi | garyalex: you would catch the metropolitian line to finchley road, then go one stop on the jubilee line to west hampstead, turn left out the station, cross the road by the north london line station on the left, keep going until you get the the thameslink station, then walk down the alley next to the thameslink station until you come out the other end, at the end of my road. Go left and look for a red door with number 85 on it, P |
| 17:44.20 | qopi | .map nw6 1np |
| 17:44.26 | phenny | nw6 1np: http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=524902&y=184993&z=0&sv=nw6+1np&st=2&pc=nw6+1np&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf |
| 17:44.41 | garyalex | Great! Thanks qopi. I'll save that info. |
| 17:44.59 | qopi | garyalex: careful - it is wrong! |
| 17:45.02 | olisb | mind the pick pockets in the alley tho! |
| 17:45.10 | qopi | you turn right out of the station |
| 17:45.22 | olisb | DOH! |
| 17:45.32 | garyalex | What do the pickpockets look like? |
| 17:45.45 | olisb | hooded tops and trainers |
| 17:45.48 | olisb | lol |
| 17:45.55 | olisb | (like me) |
| 17:46.59 | olisb | it's safest to presume everyone's a pick pocket, that sems to work for most londoners... |
| 17:47.13 | olisb | creates a lovely vibe tooo! |
| 17:47.53 | garyalex | I've mostly sorted out the cards, etc. I lost at Oli's now. |
| 17:48.07 | garyalex | Still missing things like library card |
| 17:48.17 | olisb | :( |
| 17:48.38 | garyalex | I don't remember you asking, but of course. :D |
| 17:49.46 | garyalex | I'm off back to the tiki to do that Strategic Plan. Use my nick if you want me |
| 18:12.47 | olisb | qopi has mail |
| 18:30.15 | olisb | cool |
| 18:49.34 | olisb | lol |
| 18:49.37 | qopi | they didn't even teach me to write! |
| 18:49.40 | olisb | u can do better! |
| 18:49.56 | olisb | yeah, my mate jim was complaining of that too |
| 18:50.04 | olisb | no gramma, nothing |
| 18:50.09 | olisb | tehe |
| 18:53.06 | olisb | where's that vision u were working on? |
| 18:53.28 | qopi | it doesn't even have sentences yet olisb and is barely begun |
| 18:53.47 | qopi | i'll send out as is though if you like, just so you get the idea. |
| 18:53.59 | qopi | even though i feel a little embarrased by its lameness |
| 18:56.33 | olisb | oh, no i meant the paragraph for OPen |
| 18:56.50 | olisb | u were doing pre ramparts |
| 19:01.02 | qopi | olisb: Our Vision is a world of Quality One Planet Living. A world in which a high quality of life doesn't come at the expense of others, now or in the future. A world in which the Ecological Footprint of all human activities is no greater than the size of our Planet. A world where everyone can take part in any decision making process that affects them. A world in which communities are empowered to self-organise to provide fo |
| 19:02.12 | olisb | lob it on http://open.coop/tiki-index.php?page=vision+working+doc ;) |
| 19:02.42 | olisb | r their own needs? |
| 19:04.06 | qopi | yes, own needs, i guess :) |
| 19:06.07 | qopi | olisb: i lobbed it on there as a comment |
| 19:06.42 | olisb | bit worried by http://open.coop/tiki-index.php?page=strategic+plan |
| 19:06.52 | olisb | well, the english really! |
| 19:07.10 | olisb | I mean, a purpose is not a goal! a VISION is a goal! |
| 19:09.07 | qopi | olisb: are we The Open Co-op LLP of Open Co-op LLP, officially? |
| 19:09.14 | qopi | s/of/or |
| 19:09.29 | olisb | i forget |
| 19:11.39 | qopi | we're The Open Co-op LLP |
| 19:11.41 | qopi | http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/18edfdc8cde5ea98dceb988ea66f8497//compdetails |
| 19:13.51 | qopi | why on earth is a web search only available during certain times! |
| 19:13.53 | qopi | crazy |
| 19:17.37 | olisb | i've wondered that a few times |
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| 20:34.44 | garyalex | hi evangineer, olisb, qopi How are things? |
| 20:35.02 | olisb | just commented on your strat plan |
| 20:35.19 | garyalex | ok I'll take a look. What do you think of it? |
| 20:35.26 | olisb | qopi also pointed out we are The Open Co-op LLP |
| 20:35.38 | olisb | not Open Co-op LLp |
| 20:35.49 | olisb | it's ok! ;) |
| 20:36.32 | olisb | check out http://open.coop/tiki-index.php?page=18th+Feb+05+-+Agenda too and add stuff as u like |
| 20:36.36 | garyalex | I think I can make that correction! :) |
| 20:36.46 | garyalex | Yes, I've just looked at it. |
| 20:37.04 | olisb | u seem to have scared qopi off editing your wiki pages! |
| 20:37.09 | garyalex | I think it is a good review, which we badly need. |
| 20:39.04 | garyalex | That's good. How can other people react if it is edited before they see it? |
| 20:39.40 | olisb | they can look at the history! That's what it is for |
| 20:39.49 | olisb | and the page wont contain as many mistakes! |
| 20:39.56 | garyalex | Agenda: I was hoping we would go through the material that evangineer has developed, but it may be too soon for that. |
| 20:41.01 | garyalex | Well, I have no problem with minor corrections. And I think it is much easier to understand a document with attached comments than to have to check through a whole set of versions in the history to make sense of a discussion. |
| 20:41.17 | garyalex | What misteaks? |
| 20:41.40 | garyalex | ;) |
| 20:41.43 | olisb | the The for example, but whatever |
| 20:42.31 | garyalex | The 'visionary' thing. Is that for Rowntree? |
| 20:42.47 | olisb | yeah |
| 20:43.10 | garyalex | I'm happy to be a referee, but am also willing to help you polish it if you want. |
| 20:43.37 | olisb | cool :) shall i send u todays work? |
| 20:43.47 | garyalex | You once talked about doing it jointly with Josef. Is that still the plan? |
| 20:43.53 | garyalex | Yes, send it to me. |
| 20:44.06 | olisb | I need to get some answers to the questions I asked qopi really tho, they're in the mail... |
| 20:44.15 | olisb | i am not sure |
| 20:44.19 | olisb | sort of... |
| 20:44.27 | olisb | not sure if it is a good/bad idea |
| 20:44.52 | garyalex | I can't really comment until I see what you've written. |
| 20:45.04 | garyalex | Would `josef apply separately otherwise? |
| 20:46.01 | olisb | he should apply seperately anyway, that was the idea |
| 20:46.11 | olisb | but we were going to reference each other... |
| 20:48.29 | olisb | cool gary, i didnt realise you had mailed out the plan too |
| 20:48.38 | olisb | I wonder if you will hear anything from the cc's |
| 20:49.07 | olisb | I am very disaapointed not to have had a single reply from John, Angela or Stephen.. ;( |
| 20:49.19 | garyalex | The wiki page is just the doc in wiki format. |
| 20:49.37 | olisb | ok, delete or answer that coomment |
| 20:50.08 | garyalex | about jon, angela or stephen? I would be dissappointed too if I don't hear from any of them. |
| 21:07.44 | olisb | i meant the comment on Strat plan. |
| 21:15.45 | garyalex | olisb: firstly, comments on strat plan: I think your comments are sensible. I'll add a comment of my own saying that, and will take them into account when revising it. |
| 21:16.12 | olisb | :) |
| 21:16.24 | garyalex | secondly, I've just had a quick read of your visionary doc. It's good. I've made a few comments already on it, but want to think about it and add some more. |
| 21:16.53 | olisb | thanks a lot |
| 21:17.23 | olisb | as mentioned, it needs to be angled acording to 'groups/individual' applications |
| 21:17.29 | garyalex | It would be so good if either or both of you and josef didn't have to worry about supporting yourselves. |
| 21:17.30 | olisb | and with mention of Josef |
| 21:17.45 | olisb | it would be more than good! |
| 21:17.47 | garyalex | I don't understand that either. |
| 21:18.09 | garyalex | (groups/individuals) |
| 21:18.23 | garyalex | Yes, mate, I know! :D |
| 21:23.12 | olisb | from our stats it would apperar http://opencoop.org/tiki-calendar.php is a the 2nd most visited page this month! and I dont even know how it works! |
| 21:23.38 | olisb | hey damian, are u about? |
| 21:56.31 | olisb | WOW, i just discovered the mother of all comments http://open.coop/contact+us |
| 21:59.17 | olisb | he seems kinda rooted in old ways of thinking http://www.globalizationsak.cjb.net./ |
| 21:59.50 | olisb | check out his 9 classes in basic theory |
| 22:00.11 | olisb | I dont think thinking in classes like that really helps at alll |
| 22:00.33 | evangineer | caste system reinvented? |
| 22:03.46 | olisb | exactly, it's also worrying when individuals map out so much of the 'new world system' on their own |
| 22:03.56 | evangineer | yes |
| 22:04.05 | evangineer | just what I thought |
| 22:04.05 | olisb | doesnt seem to be much dialouge there |
| 22:19.49 | olisb | qopi: phpmultishop can not monitor click thru at all |
| 22:20.37 | olisb | it's only in OS so there doesn't seem much point in messing with multshop |
| 22:38.21 | olisb | evangineer, i'd like to set up an Open planetplanet (as in planetplanet.org) as soon as I can get at baldrick, will it run ok on the set up your planning? |
| 22:38.44 | evangineer | yes, it should be fine |
| 22:38.54 | olisb | groovy ;) |
| 22:38.59 | olisb | thanks |
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