| 00:00.13 | Lurking_Grue | Bastards put nascar back! |
| 00:00.13 | doodums | Rick__: got a link to how to do it? |
| 00:00.13 | raeb | hah |
| 00:00.13 | rwhitby | can we move the complaining about what Sprint told Palm to install on the Sprint version of the Pre to #webos? |
| 00:00.13 | HattCzech | hahhhhaaha |
| 00:00.13 | PreGame | i'm tired of having to hack my pre because palm sucks at life |
| 00:00.18 | raeb | c'monnnnnnn luna |
| 00:00.20 | Rick__ | and I'll bet that they are still arguing about how to implement it in terms of gestures.... |
| 00:00.25 | raeb | yep its 1.1, the glowy palm glows more |
| 00:00.25 | raeb | hehe |
| 00:00.37 | raeb | i can tell its 1.1, my pre feels heavier |
| 00:00.38 | Rick__ | it's being installed by palm PreGame but palm didn't write it any more than they wrote sprint tv |
| 00:00.39 | linuxkidd | I'm up to the left side of the 'D' in 'Downloading...' |
| 00:00.53 | doodums | i'm at the i in Downloading |
| 00:00.57 | PreGame | enable wifi |
| 00:00.58 | Rick__ | rebooting |
| 00:01.00 | PreGame | downloads faster |
| 00:01.02 | destinal | is contemplating reverse tethering to download over fast wired network |
| 00:01.02 | doodums | yup |
| 00:01.05 | rwhitby | PreGame: what you have in your hands is a device who's application load is detemined by Sprint. The unlocked GSM version that I buy will not have a NASCAR app on it. |
| 00:01.07 | HattCzech | i think there are 2 pixels left in the update |
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| 00:01.13 | linuxkidd | did, but on a crappy network.. |
| 00:01.13 | PreGame | once you download you get to go through the slow process of validating |
| 00:01.15 | tmzt | is SprintTV ip only? |
| 00:01.18 | raeb | i wish all updates could be measured in pixels |
| 00:01.39 | raeb | oooooo AIM just otle me i signed on from a dif location |
| 00:01.41 | en0x | lol |
| 00:01.43 | raeb | luna should be here soooon |
| 00:01.45 | raeb | oop theres una |
| 00:01.51 | HattCzech | i wish these 2 pixels would hurry up |
| 00:01.55 | raeb | "Update Installed" |
| 00:01.56 | raeb | nice |
| 00:02.03 | linuxkidd | anybody have the updates download path handy? |
| 00:02.04 | destinal | HattCzech: those pixels may be dead |
| 00:02.04 | tmzt | what do you get, a collection of ipks? |
| 00:02.10 | Rick__ | pulsing |
| 00:02.10 | HattCzech | hahahah, i hope not |
| 00:02.10 | destinal | HattCzech: then you're hosed |
| 00:02.16 | tmzt | can't you just install the ones you want? |
| 00:02.16 | linuxkidd | I'm watch'n /var/spool/update, but nothing showing up there while d/l's |
| 00:02.20 | rwhitby | you'd think that US folks would know most of all that the set of applications on carrier-branded phones is completely determined by the carrier, not the phone hardware or operating system OEM |
| 00:02.25 | PuffTheMagic | mrvc: we should be able to use the gesture area for key up/down/left/right actions in the term shouldnt we |
| 00:02.27 | tmzt | lsof |
| 00:02.41 | raeb | uhhhh |
| 00:02.44 | PreGame | i could give a rats ass about the nfl app |
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| 00:02.47 | raeb | select favorite team |
| 00:02.55 | Rick__ | PreGame, go for a walk. |
| 00:02.56 | PreGame | i want some damn good copy/paste like in the iphone 3gs commercial |
| 00:02.57 | raeb | american or national league |
| 00:02.58 | raeb | hehe |
| 00:03.02 | rwhitby | PreGame: exactly - blame Sprint, not Palm. |
| 00:03.12 | raeb | i duno n e thing bout football |
| 00:03.14 | raeb | lol |
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| 00:03.22 | Rick__ | PreGame, really. Perhaps petting the dog.... |
| 00:03.29 | HattCzech | does the nfl app follow college football? |
| 00:03.30 | PreGame | have you guys seen the 3gs commercial? |
| 00:03.38 | HattCzech | (yes, i know they're not the nfl) |
| 00:03.40 | raeb | now, for whats REALLY important: |
| 00:03.45 | raeb | exchange EAS with advanced security |
| 00:03.54 | HattCzech | YAY! palm screen |
| 00:03.58 | Rick__ | PreGame, apple commercials are mean. |
| 00:04.06 | PuffTheMagic | PreGame: ithought the pre had cut-n-paste before the 3GS |
| 00:04.07 | PreGame | i wonder how much battery life is saved |
| 00:04.11 | Rick__ | HattCzech, it's going to be a long boot. 2 minutes before pulsing starts |
| 00:04.24 | HattCzech | yeah, i hoped they'd improve that with this version |
| 00:04.33 | HattCzech | not so much, huh? |
| 00:04.40 | PreGame | it only has copy/paste for text in a mojo textbox |
| 00:04.43 | mrvc | PuffTheMagic: you mean holding the gesture area while sliding your finger up/down/left/right? |
| 00:04.43 | Rick__ | still pulsing |
| 00:04.57 | PreGame | you cant highlight things in an email and copy/paste or on a webpage |
| 00:05.07 | rwhitby | seriously guys, please take this crap about official Palm features and official applications to #webos. It's off-topic for -internals. |
| 00:05.19 | PuffTheMagic | mrvc: well i mean make an up/down/left/right gesture in the gesture area |
| 00:05.24 | PreGame | wow |
| 00:05.25 | PuffTheMagic | i dont think i requires pressing the button |
| 00:05.28 | PreGame | ok guys just don't talk at all |
| 00:05.32 | PreGame | rwhitby will get mad |
| 00:05.34 | Rick__ | PreGame, it will be interesting to see if the kernel has been updated at all. If they updated to include the bits so that we can use processor speed control WITH voltage control then we can put in the patches to double or triple battery life. |
| 00:05.53 | HattCzech | that would be awesome |
| 00:06.02 | HattCzech | i definitely need better battery life |
| 00:06.07 | mrvc | PuffTheMagic: seems like up would conflict with minimizing the card |
| 00:06.08 | HattCzech | fo sho |
| 00:06.09 | PreGame | did you hear about the blackberry virus that drained the battery life |
| 00:06.14 | tmzt | gl? |
| 00:06.20 | Rick__ | HattCzech, the hardware is there, but the kernel lacked the appripriate tables. |
| 00:06.29 | HattCzech | ahhhh, sad |
| 00:06.30 | PuffTheMagic | Rick__: i doubt they implemented a cpufreq interface |
| 00:06.38 | doodums | 3/4 done downloading |
| 00:06.38 | PuffTheMagic | does arm even use acpi? |
| 00:06.42 | Rick__ | I doubt it too, but it wuld be cool. |
| 00:06.43 | tmzt | PreGame: I would like to know how it did that, if it required running machine code I'm really interested :) |
| 00:06.53 | raeb | woot |
| 00:06.56 | tmzt | no it doesn't use acpi |
| 00:06.59 | raeb | email from exchange in my inbox |
| 00:07.00 | raeb | huzzah |
| 00:07.01 | PuffTheMagic | infact i think all power control is done over i2c |
| 00:07.04 | PuffTheMagic | or gpio |
| 00:07.11 | PuffTheMagic | or something non standard like that |
| 00:07.11 | PreGame | tmzt the virus? |
| 00:07.17 | tmzt | it's done through twl I think |
| 00:07.19 | tmzt | PreGame: yes |
| 00:07.21 | raeb | and now my company can remote wipe my device XD |
| 00:07.21 | PuffTheMagic | they rejected my request for powerd docs |
| 00:07.29 | HattCzech | so how long does this pulsing last? |
| 00:07.38 | PreGame | blackberry didn't create it but the carrier oversees issued the patch |
| 00:07.46 | PreGame | i think it was an internal carrier job |
| 00:07.50 | HattCzech | DONE! |
| 00:07.52 | Rick__ | changes: Drag menus gone. Ability to add launcher pages - gone -- additional launcher pages -- still there. |
| 00:08.07 | PreGame | so the carrier sent out a text saying there was a blackberry update |
| 00:08.09 | tmzt | PreGame: patch? |
| 00:08.17 | PreGame | yea |
| 00:08.42 | tharris- | booo to palm for not mention all my security issues i found in the new release .... |
| 00:08.43 | Rick__ | fliashlight service - still works |
| 00:08.57 | HattCzech | AWESOME! EMOTICONS! |
| 00:09.03 | Rick__ | commander still works |
| 00:09.06 | PreGame | are they the same with treo? |
| 00:09.09 | HattCzech | i feel like i'm back in 1999 |
| 00:09.10 | raeb | hrrmmmmm but my emails have no body |
| 00:09.15 | PreGame | so if a treo emoticon is sent to a pre we will see it? |
| 00:09.18 | destinal | woot |
| 00:09.33 | tmzt | only if you have ascii support |
| 00:09.39 | HattCzech | we will now see it |
| 00:09.44 | PuffTheMagic | did anyone update to 1.1.0 yet |
| 00:09.45 | tmzt | if not you get these confusing little pictures |
| 00:09.48 | PuffTheMagic | what does it brealk? |
| 00:09.50 | destinal | reverse tunneling -- on pre: route delete default; route delete default; route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 00:10.01 | HattCzech | well, i think... :-) :-( and ;-) are in there |
| 00:10.08 | destinal | ipmasq on workstation |
| 00:10.08 | Rick__ | mods to clock themes gone |
| 00:10.09 | tmzt | see, you have ascii |
| 00:10.23 | HattCzech | it broke my character counter in the messaging app |
| 00:10.32 | PuffTheMagic | haha |
| 00:10.32 | raeb | oo exchange is still synching |
| 00:10.37 | PuffTheMagic | i didnt touch too many apps |
| 00:10.41 | raeb | guess i got too many emails in my inbox |
| 00:10.44 | PuffTheMagic | HattCzech: when you say broke |
| 00:10.48 | Rick__ | call duration in call log still there. |
| 00:10.48 | PuffTheMagic | does it overwrite everything? |
| 00:11.15 | HattCzech | new sound for text message, or at least it sounded like it |
| 00:11.20 | PuffTheMagic | hmm |
| 00:11.26 | PuffTheMagic | its validating |
| 00:11.30 | PuffTheMagic | awaits the carnage |
| 00:11.31 | linuxkidd | buddy of mine says he has some different sounds now too |
| 00:11.31 | HattCzech | it could have... yeah, it overwrote |
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| 00:11.43 | linuxkidd | I'm at the l in 'downloading...' |
| 00:11.43 | HattCzech | cuz i don't have the other mod in the app either... with always showing time |
| 00:11.46 | en0x | guys how do i restore my pre to the stage that it was before I bought it? only web doctor? |
| 00:12.02 | PuffTheMagic | en0x: yeah |
| 00:12.25 | en0x | well so i gotta wait for the webdoctor to be updated to 1.1 |
| 00:12.26 | Noahbody | mines in the process of installing after a reboot |
| 00:12.42 | PuffTheMagic | damn it takes a while to validate |
| 00:12.55 | HattCzech | same sound for e-mail |
| 00:13.05 | HattCzech | damnit, i was hoping they were different |
| 00:13.14 | Kaerey | Well shits. Update removed edits to the Sounds and Alerts App |
| 00:13.34 | Kaerey | "My Notification" still works just fine. |
| 00:13.35 | PuffTheMagic | HattCzech: i bet someone could amke a nice mojo app for changing the sounds |
| 00:13.37 | PreGame | can someone make me an icon for my new app of the Pre taking it in the backside from the 3GS? |
| 00:13.44 | PuffTheMagic | so it wasnt such a hack |
| 00:13.48 | PuffTheMagic | but more of an interface |
| 00:13.54 | en0x | palm.com/RESTORE ? thats the address for web doctor? |
| 00:14.00 | Rick__ | ok list in one... drag menus gone, launcher add pages gone, additional pages premade still there, call duration still there, mynotifications still works, flashlight still works, commander still works, nascar did not come back from the dead |
| 00:14.07 | HattCzech | yeah, i have my notification |
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| 00:14.21 | X1011 | Templarian: can i get your opinion on a cleanup of the wiki's sidebar? Rick_ has given it the ok. http://webos-internals.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Sidebar |
| 00:14.28 | linuxkidd | date/time stamp on texts gone |
| 00:14.29 | gordian | random wallpaper switcher doesn't work anymore |
| 00:14.31 | PuffTheMagic | Rick__: so if it needs to update something it overwrites it sounds like |
| 00:14.34 | PreGame | did anyone elses update get stuck in the updating process for the last 2 pixels |
| 00:14.35 | PuffTheMagic | like a rsync -u |
| 00:14.50 | Rick__ | PreGame, yes, for about 3 or 4 minutes |
| 00:14.59 | PuffTheMagic | ok |
| 00:15.03 | PuffTheMagic | goes to stores |
| 00:15.04 | PuffTheMagic | bbl |
| 00:15.05 | HattCzech | pregame, yeah, takes a while at that point |
| 00:15.11 | tmzt | I wonder if css generated content would work for some of those patches |
| 00:15.29 | tmzt | if there is a well-known id for a span you could use :before or :after |
| 00:15.36 | MLJones8 | Can anyone help me with a patch cannot remove cleaning error? (PuTTY) Trying to remove patches before OTA? |
| 00:15.47 | Zuchmir2 | in term, if/when alternate fonts get supported, wont CharBuffer be the object responsible for keeping font info? |
| 00:15.48 | linuxkidd | 37.1M of 87M downloaded |
| 00:15.50 | PreGame | patches? |
| 00:15.54 | MLJones8 | Yes. |
| 00:16.02 | HattCzech | yeah, i figured cronjobs would stop again |
| 00:16.05 | PreGame | what patches |
| 00:16.13 | tmzt | like the timestamps or chars remaining thing |
| 00:16.21 | PreGame | just update |
| 00:16.28 | HattCzech | damnit! friggin green phone color! i like my blue! |
| 00:16.28 | PreGame | it will take care of that for you |
| 00:16.31 | linuxkidd | Ya, don't worry about removing patches.. |
| 00:16.37 | MLJones8 | I'm trying to remove all of them... but the error only came up on rotate e-mail. (no other patches were mentioned) |
| 00:16.37 | linuxkidd | the downloaded udpates overwrite the files anyway |
| 00:16.40 | Templarian | X1011: looks fine. |
| 00:16.56 | PreGame | are you talking about hacks? |
| 00:17.27 | MLJones8 | Just patches from wiki... if you all just updated over them I suppose I can too... I'm just not fimilar |
| 00:17.31 | Zuchmir2 | mrvc: in term, if/when alternate fonts get supported, wont CharBuffer be the object responsible for keeping font info? |
| 00:17.48 | PreGame | just click updates andnstall |
| 00:17.56 | PreGame | the install will overwrite the files needed |
| 00:18.02 | plcTowlie | does the new version happen to allow the face button to wake up/unlock the device? |
| 00:18.11 | gordian | nope |
| 00:18.17 | tmzt | it would probably make sense to use fontconfig or something when the time comes |
| 00:18.31 | MLJones8 | Alright, thx. |
| 00:18.33 | tmzt | anyone using the terminal now? |
| 00:18.41 | gordian | i am |
| 00:18.48 | PreGame | terminal? |
| 00:18.53 | raeb | hmm exchange eas isn't the fast st thing around |
| 00:18.54 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: I would think pixelbuffer would be more correct |
| 00:18.59 | Zuchmir2 | ultimately, it should be in a "Settings" page, where the user can choose a font |
| 00:19.07 | tmzt | destinal: this has full pty and things like ctrl-c working? |
| 00:19.16 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: the pixelbuffer is more like a drawing surface that knows about details like fonts |
| 00:19.19 | destinal | tmzt: yes |
| 00:19.24 | tmzt | or mrvc |
| 00:19.31 | destinal | tmzt: it does |
| 00:19.38 | Rick__ | web pages use new fonts |
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| 00:19.40 | gordian | do you guys know any menus where the device uses radio selections? |
| 00:19.43 | Zuchmir2 | prvc: the problem is, if you have to diff size fonts, PixelBuffer gets created each draw |
| 00:19.45 | tmzt | cool |
| 00:19.56 | tmzt | and multiple cards, even with seperate instances? |
| 00:19.59 | gordian | i'm trying to think but can't come up with any |
| 00:20.01 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: although it could be something else -- some intermediate object that knows about moving charbuffer data into the pixelbuffer |
| 00:20.09 | Zuchmir2 | which means *someone* has to keep track of the font untill then |
| 00:20.38 | Zuchmir2 | is there any reason CharBuffer shouldnt do that? |
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| 00:21.14 | Zuchmir2 | ... even if it's an object whose parent is CharBuffer |
| 00:21.21 | tmzt | I guess CharBuffer is the low level terminal component, so it should certainly get font data for rendering |
| 00:21.39 | tmzt | but it's proably not the place to actaully configure it |
| 00:21.53 | HattCzech | yay! back to blue phone |
| 00:21.59 | HattCzech | other updates will come later |
| 00:22.00 | rwhitby | MLJones8: if a palm update overwrites one of the files that were patched, but not another, you're gonna get problems if you don't unapply the patches first. |
| 00:22.08 | HattCzech | i'm off to dinner, hopefully i'll bbl tonight |
| 00:22.10 | tmzt | if you have variable width fonts, there are libraries for that |
| 00:22.20 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: it would probably be some kind of rendering context object |
| 00:22.36 | tmzt | I think that's called a toolkit |
| 00:22.48 | destinal | tmzt: libfreetype? |
| 00:22.51 | rwhitby | MLJones8: it may not happen this time, but could happen on the next update. if you're happy to fix the mess if it does happen, go right ahead and just accept the OTA before removing your patches |
| 00:22.57 | doodums | installing update now |
| 00:22.58 | PullingJ | my validated update is only 48.2 Megs |
| 00:23.04 | tmzt | at some point a decision needs to be made to use an existing one or plan a new one |
| 00:23.17 | tmzt | destinal: I think that's just for reading ttf files |
| 00:23.18 | doodums | watches Serenity while phone updates |
| 00:23.30 | tmzt | it's more of a low level font library |
| 00:23.36 | tmzt | hold on, no |
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| 00:23.42 | Zuchmir2 | maybe we create an object FontBuffer, and all info stored there, and CharBuffer is the parent of that object? |
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| 00:23.56 | tmzt | but you usually use a wrapper with it I think |
| 00:23.57 | linuxkidd | my phone's update directory has been holding at 41.8meg for a while now... |
| 00:24.04 | linuxkidd | but download status is about 2/3 across |
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| 00:24.37 | tmzt | what does palm use for fonts, do we have any idea from the webkit patches? |
| 00:24.55 | destinal | tmzt: libfreetype |
| 00:25.03 | tmzt | just that? |
| 00:25.03 | destinal | and some ttf fotns |
| 00:25.04 | destinal | fonts |
| 00:25.05 | tmzt | okay |
| 00:25.14 | tmzt | but you need a few fixed-width fonts for terminal |
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| 00:25.22 | tmzt | it's almost unusable without them |
| 00:25.22 | destinal | I think they may include one |
| 00:25.40 | destinal | tmzt: you don't like the hard coded ones? :) |
| 00:25.48 | Zuchmir2 | i'm currently trying to deal with CharBuffer::resize, which is going to have to know what font is being used, so that it can resize accordingly |
| 00:25.52 | raeb | hard coded is fine, long as its monospace |
| 00:25.57 | destinal | it is monospace |
| 00:26.07 | tmzt | destinal: I mean terminal is unusable without a fixed width font |
| 00:26.11 | destinal | right, we have one |
| 00:26.12 | raeb | twould be nice to see some antialiasing |
| 00:26.14 | tmzt | in general |
| 00:26.21 | tmzt | yeah, so I said that wrong |
| 00:26.50 | raeb | which we would have had, had we implemented the gui in mojo |
| 00:27.00 | raeb | (what do u mean we, whiteman) |
| 00:27.19 | destinal | raeb: we can still do a gui in mojo |
| 00:27.38 | Quantsini | I've made one :) |
| 00:27.41 | tmzt | I mean if freetype is used and not a hardcoded font, then variable width fonts need to be provided |
| 00:27.48 | doodums | 2/3 done updating |
| 00:27.52 | tmzt | if Palm doesn't include usable ones |
| 00:27.56 | rwhitby | Quantsini: what is the licensing on your source code? |
| 00:28.43 | Quantsini | rwhitby: go ahead and use it, though it is under the license of http://www.masswerk.at/termlib/ |
| 00:28.48 | raeb | tmzt: variable width, eh ? |
| 00:28.57 | destinal | tmzt: I thought we needed monospace |
| 00:29.00 | tmzt | no |
| 00:29.03 | raeb | lol |
| 00:29.06 | raeb | tis what u said |
| 00:29.17 | tmzt | okay, I should stop talking then |
| 00:29.24 | raeb | heh |
| 00:29.30 | destinal | tmzt: we're using a hard coded xpm of a font right now |
| 00:29.40 | destinal | but a lib and standard ttf would be nicer |
| 00:29.43 | raeb | more like gpm |
| 00:29.52 | tmzt | right, that was the point |
| 00:30.08 | tmzt | however it's loaded there needs to be at least one fixed-width terminal font |
| 00:30.20 | rwhitby | Quantsini: is that URL resolvable for you? |
| 00:30.27 | tmzt | that works at the pre's dpi |
| 00:30.28 | destinal | tmzt: ok, and yes, we have that in source code :) |
| 00:30.29 | tmzt | of courese |
| 00:30.39 | raeb | gpm: gheto pix map |
| 00:30.42 | tmzt | destinal: yeah |
| 00:31.05 | destinal | I have no doubt it will be replaced soon enough once more pressing concerns are addressed |
| 00:31.13 | raeb | pressing |
| 00:31.14 | tmzt | like? |
| 00:31.17 | Quantsini | rwhitby: yes, let me pm you the license it has |
| 00:31.19 | destinal | drawing |
| 00:31.34 | raeb | need proper drawling libs, maybe the 1.1.0 source will have em |
| 00:31.34 | tmzt | well, that's why I was asking |
| 00:31.35 | destinal | we're doing it well enough to get by at the moment |
| 00:31.37 | raeb | watchu think bout that |
| 00:31.39 | destinal | but not quite proper |
| 00:31.48 | rwhitby | Quantsini: got it from google cache - it's restricted to private and academic use only |
| 00:31.52 | tmzt | since Palm doesn't use gl or other way of managing hardware glyphs they must be software |
| 00:32.08 | destinal | Quantsini: have you checked out anyterm? |
| 00:32.17 | destinal | it's fully open source and a very similar thing |
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| 00:32.44 | tmzt | doesn't freetype already have aa and hinting? |
| 00:32.45 | gordian | destinal: check pm |
| 00:32.58 | rwhitby | Quantsini: so the license on the code you've got there is not compatible with the org.webosinternals.term code license unfortunately |
| 00:32.59 | tmzt | so Palm must have some kind of glyph cache in luna I would think |
| 00:33.25 | tmzt | Quantsini: what exactly did you develop? is it javascript? |
| 00:33.34 | Quantsini | destinal: i have looked at an overview, but have not looked at any specifics. it looks to be the same but with a fully working backend |
| 00:34.13 | Quantsini | tmzt: i just ported termlib to mojo. http://svn.quantsini.com/PalmTerm/ |
| 00:34.59 | doodums | phone still updating. |
| 00:35.43 | rwhitby | Quantsini: you'll need to replicate those termlib license conditions on your code |
| 00:36.07 | tmzt | Quantsini: you said you had aa? |
| 00:36.15 | Quantsini | will do, i was putzing around with it |
| 00:36.17 | rwhitby | Quantsini: did you derive from the code, or you just use termlib as an unchanged library? |
| 00:36.28 | doodums | and reboot |
| 00:37.13 | Quantsini | rhwtby: i modified termlib to work with mojo, otherwise it is unchanged. there was an issue with the constructor and capturing the carrage return key |
| 00:37.46 | rwhitby | Quantsini: ok, cool. nice work, but unfortunately we won't be able to use that code in org.webosinternals.term due to that license |
| 00:37.59 | Quantsini | tmzt: since it is made in mojo/js/dom, it implicitly has aa |
| 00:38.10 | tmzt | ah |
| 00:38.12 | tmzt | okay |
| 00:38.22 | tmzt | so we need to see what LunaWebkitPlugin uses |
| 00:39.01 | Quantsini | rwhitby: understood, i was afraid the license would not work |
| 00:39.03 | rwhitby | Quantsini: want to help with the freely-licensed term app? |
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| 00:39.58 | rwhitby | Quantsini: if so, destinal is coordinating that ... |
| 00:41.25 | Quantsini | rwhitby: i would love to :) |
| 00:42.46 | rwhitby | X1011: just read your sidebar proposal. |
| 00:42.49 | destinal | Quantsini: two options.. if you want to work on the c++ version or the gui for it, termplugin is in our git applications repository. if you want to do a javascript / ajax conversion to mojo javascript / dbus, there may be a good use for that too. I don't think us having two terminal programs done different ways would be bad |
| 00:43.07 | destinal | for a javascript / ajax terminal to mojo / dbus I recommend snagging anyterm |
| 00:43.25 | tmzt | dbus is not designed for that though |
| 00:43.33 | raeb | says who |
| 00:43.36 | tmzt | things like curses will start to get slow |
| 00:43.38 | destinal | tmzt: no more than xmlhttprequest is |
| 00:43.58 | tmzt | I consider that a workaround until native or at least socket was supported |
| 00:44.21 | raeb | well, thats kinda what the plugin term is for |
| 00:44.27 | tmzt | yeah |
| 00:44.37 | tmzt | so what is gained from supporting ajax? |
| 00:44.58 | tmzt | maybe being able to execute command lines for maintainance tasks |
| 00:45.09 | tmzt | but it's not a terminal in the linux sense |
| 00:45.09 | raeb | i think writing the gui in mojo has benefit |
| 00:45.25 | raeb | could get pinch zoom without aliased text |
| 00:45.34 | destinal | raeb: well we could also do transport over javascript plugin methods |
| 00:45.40 | raeb | sure |
| 00:45.43 | raeb | plugin for comm |
| 00:45.43 | destinal | we don't *need* to use dbus |
| 00:45.44 | tmzt | that's true |
| 00:45.46 | tmzt | read/write |
| 00:46.08 | raeb | hmm |
| 00:46.09 | destinal | I agree that logic all in mojo may have some advantages |
| 00:46.12 | raeb | thats something to think about for other apps |
| 00:46.21 | raeb | plugin for comm rather than dbus |
| 00:47.06 | en0x | does twee work for anybody on 1.1? |
| 00:47.36 | doodums | only thing update touched was, yet again, crontab |
| 00:48.00 | doodums | time on call list still shows, cpu freq scaling works |
| 00:48.34 | gkatsev | doodums: which method are you using for cpu freq scaling? |
| 00:48.37 | flea | anyone seen a skin/theme for phone ? |
| 00:48.57 | tmzt | is webos skinned through css? |
| 00:49.16 | gkatsev | tmzt: i would assume so |
| 00:49.37 | doodums | gkatsev: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/CPU_Frequency_or_Voltage_Scaling |
| 00:49.42 | X1011 | rwhitby: good? i need an admin to implement it. |
| 00:50.53 | gkatsev | doodums: smartreflex or the event.d script? |
| 00:51.13 | doodums | event.d |
| 00:51.43 | gkatsev | ok, neither worked for me actually. ill try again, want to reset my phone |
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| 00:55.45 | tharris- | does anyone still have a "notifications" option for email any more? |
| 00:56.05 | destinal | exchange EAS FTW |
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| 00:56.35 | tharris- | yea but i had notifcations on my gmail that do not seem to exist |
| 01:09.35 | Zuchmir2 | ok, i'm working on abstracting "font", which is modifying CharBuffer as well as PixelBuffer |
| 01:10.29 | halula | Has anyone upgraded to 1.1.0 yet? Any known gotchas? |
| 01:10.39 | raeb | i have, and none thus far |
| 01:10.46 | czarphanguye | halula: no probs |
| 01:11.23 | halula | Did you back out all the patches or simply apply it on top ? |
| 01:13.38 | gkatsev | when did 1.1.0 come out? |
| 01:13.47 | halula | Today |
| 01:13.59 | gkatsev | im resetting phone now, would it automatically put 1.1.0 on there? |
| 01:14.07 | gkatsev | halula: ah, cool |
| 01:14.19 | halula | no you have to run upgrade mgr |
| 01:14.24 | gkatsev | ok |
| 01:14.31 | halula | update mgr |
| 01:14.38 | gkatsev | wouldve been cool if webOSdr can do that |
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| 01:15.56 | halula | raeb & czarphanguye: did you back out patches or update over the top of them? |
| 01:16.44 | destinal | drive home bbl |
| 01:16.50 | jwm | stay safe |
| 01:16.54 | jwm | I hate driving |
| 01:16.54 | jwm | heh |
| 01:17.06 | czarphanguye | halula: tbh I used webos dr and formatted, then rooted, then updated. idk about the patches |
| 01:17.06 | gkatsev | im learning right now |
| 01:17.07 | halula | easy on the road |
| 01:17.16 | gkatsev | need to get my license |
| 01:17.17 | destinal | jwm: I like teleporting better but ever since the reality patch I can't get it to work |
| 01:17.26 | jwm | heh |
| 01:17.27 | Wail | whats the scoop on the itunes fix? |
| 01:18.37 | gkatsev | is there an itunes fix? |
| 01:18.44 | halula | oh yeah!! |
| 01:18.46 | gkatsev | Wail: id just use doubletwist |
| 01:20.00 | jwm | yeah, don't use itunes |
| 01:20.02 | jwm | that fixes it |
| 01:20.39 | gkatsev | ooh, i forgot it palm profile restores apps. nice |
| 01:20.52 | rwhitby | plugs http://www.precentral.net/palmcast-episode-68 and http://media.libsyn.com/media/treocentral/palmcast68-5.mp3 (you get to hear the mellifluous tones of some guy talking about webos-internals ...) |
| 01:21.48 | Wail | it works, my question is what did palm "fix" |
| 01:22.00 | tharris- | does anyone still have a "notifications" option for email any more? |
| 01:22.35 | raeb | rofl |
| 01:22.37 | halula | http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/50607_en.html#11 |
| 01:22.40 | raeb | rofl @ rwhitby |
| 01:22.47 | raeb | entire interview in uncut form |
| 01:22.50 | raeb | extra nerdery lmao |
| 01:23.13 | raeb | this is awesome |
| 01:25.14 | tharris- | notifications for sms, aim, and chat still work though o.0 |
| 01:26.11 | AgentSmith | listens |
| 01:26.39 | Templarian | listens to podcast. |
| 01:26.45 | AgentSmith | listens to Templarian |
| 01:26.59 | Quantsini | is doing the crazy, compiling anyterm on his pre |
| 01:27.39 | raeb | rwhitby: do u play with all these various linux devices? nokia tablet, slugs, etc ? |
| 01:27.53 | rwhitby | raeb: i run the slug project. |
| 01:29.24 | rwhitby | raeb: I'm part of the openwrt core team, and have ported that to a number of ixp4xx-based devices |
| 01:29.34 | rwhitby | haven't done a whole lot on the n800, but I do own one. |
| 01:29.47 | rwhitby | worked on the openmoko project, doing the MokoMakefile build system for that |
| 01:30.27 | bpadalino | oh wow, 1.1 breaks google maps from universal search ? |
| 01:31.01 | Templarian | "sneaky, bittorrenty ways" |
| 01:32.10 | raeb | noooooo ur a root hayter on the podcast! |
| 01:33.05 | rwhitby | raeb: couldn't resist getting that one in ;-) |
| 01:33.55 | raeb | good stuff |
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| 01:36.08 | Templarian | Were are going to get a nice irc channel? |
| 01:36.12 | raeb | "bang! you've got a root prompt on the pre!" |
| 01:36.13 | Templarian | (hehe) |
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| 01:37.34 | psykoz | So |
| 01:37.42 | psykoz | am I seeing what I think I see |
| 01:37.52 | psykoz | 1.1 fixes iTunes sync and basically says Zark off apple? |
| 01:38.24 | Zuchmir2 | i would think that foreground and background should be members initialized in PixelBuffer::PixelBuffer, no? |
| 01:38.36 | raeb | "super duper developer" |
| 01:38.37 | raeb | classic |
| 01:39.10 | rwhitby | raeb: you wait until the very last sentences of the interview, you'll cringe ... |
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| 01:39.30 | raeb | i dont have a pre myself |
| 01:40.32 | raeb | rwhitby, do you have your email account attached to ur pre emulator and use it to send and receieeve emails? |
| 01:40.36 | raeb | cuz |
| 01:40.39 | raeb | i did before i got my pre |
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| 01:40.47 | rwhitby | raeb: I tested it, but don't use it regularly |
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| 01:42.05 | krische | hey everyone, I was hoping you could help me real quick. I am trying to run the optware-bootstrap script on my pre. however I get the following error. "optware-bootstrap.sh: line 1: syntax error: redirection unexpected" |
| 01:43.28 | krische | I hope it doesn't have anything to do with the new WebOS 1.1 update |
| 01:43.38 | rwhitby | krische: are you sure you downloaded the script, and not the web page that displays the script? the url must have 'raw' in it. |
| 01:44.29 | rwhitby | raeb: I also got definition of "bricking" and "webOS is not open source" in there too. |
| 01:44.50 | WillJitsu | how can I remove a homebrew app if using the "orange key + tap" doesn't give a "delete" option? |
| 01:44.53 | raeb | yeah i herd the bricking of the iphone bit, that was nice |
| 01:44.54 | krische | rwhitby I ran the command on the wiki page: wget http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/optware-bootstrap.sh |
| 01:45.17 | raeb | layman translation: "you can smash your iphone with a brick! but it wont hurt a pre!!" |
| 01:45.31 | krische | so that went into my /tmp directory and then I tried to execute the script. |
| 01:46.16 | raeb | YEAH! new browser plugins! |
| 01:46.21 | rwhitby | krische: is the first line of the script "#!/bin/sh" ? |
| 01:46.26 | Templarian | "Bunch of guys"... "and gals"... really? |
| 01:46.37 | krische | yeah. That's what it shows when I go to read the script |
| 01:46.43 | rwhitby | Templarian: there are gals in this channel, yes. |
| 01:46.53 | Templarian | Nice. |
| 01:46.54 | psykoz | is it just me or is someone at palm stoned? |
| 01:47.13 | psykoz | * After you enter search text, you can tap the Search Search icon icon to perform a search. You still have the option of pressing Enter Enter key to perform the search. |
| 01:47.21 | Templarian | rwhitby: you should of plugged Komodo when he mentioend using terminal. lol. |
| 01:47.34 | AgentSmith | search search search |
| 01:47.35 | psykoz | * A new gesture is now available that works the same as the onscreen Forward Web Forward button button. To move forward through open web pages, make a short swipe left to right in the gesture area. |
| 01:47.58 | psykoz | * If you have a page open at a certain zoom level, leave the page, and use the onscreen Back Web Back button button or the back gesture to return to the page, the zoom level is restored right away. |
| 01:48.31 | raeb | "you really really have to work hard to brick a pre" |
| 01:48.42 | psykoz | :) |
| 01:49.05 | psykoz | I personally think Palm is giving us fatality key sequences in the latest mortal kombat |
| 01:49.18 | psykoz | "if you want to kill someone with this move, he forward forward button button" |
| 01:49.31 | psykoz | "do back web back button button to remove their head" |
| 01:49.36 | raeb | its true |
| 01:49.41 | raeb | thats the konami code or something |
| 01:49.46 | halula | krische: is there a chance it has crlf as opposed to simply lf? |
| 01:49.50 | psykoz | grins |
| 01:49.52 | raeb | (i thought the konami code was different, but whatever) |
| 01:50.01 | AgentSmith | lol psykoz or the documentation was outsourced to India |
| 01:50.07 | psykoz | AgentSmith ;) |
| 01:50.33 | raeb | when i first heard it im like |
| 01:50.34 | raeb | uh |
| 01:50.36 | raeb | i dont have an up arrow |
| 01:50.43 | AgentSmith | hahaha |
| 01:50.55 | psykoz | Oh nevermind |
| 01:50.59 | psykoz | Gizmodo fails |
| 01:51.11 | raeb | bill gates guest wrote for gizmodo this afternoon |
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| 01:51.19 | AgentSmith | ha! |
| 01:51.25 | psykoz | they copy/pasted from Palm's site so really it's "Search 'Search Icon [tooltip for image]' icon" |
| 01:51.50 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v mrvc] by ChanServ |
| 01:52.02 | psykoz | and the "Forward 'Forward Button[image w/ tooltip]' button" |
| 01:52.11 | psykoz | Okay so they're not stoned, darn ;( |
| 01:52.14 | tharris- | i want my email notificaitons back :( |
| 01:52.25 | psykoz | tharris-, they broked your email notifications? |
| 01:52.30 | AgentSmith | changed them |
| 01:52.39 | AgentSmith | that's the frown of releasing essentially a beta to the public |
| 01:52.45 | AgentSmith | stuff will change change change constantly for a while |
| 01:53.05 | psykoz | What did they change? |
| 01:53.17 | psykoz | how they work, or just how the code is which breaks the homebrew email notification hacks? |
| 01:53.27 | tharris- | they seemed ot have removed them to fix a security issue i had found in them instead of fixing the issue.... |
| 01:53.43 | tharris- | but you wouldnt know that cause they didnt give me the credit =p |
| 01:53.52 | AgentSmith | lol tharris- |
| 01:53.54 | raeb | wierd touchy subject..... |
| 01:53.56 | psykoz | So they outright removed email notifications? |
| 01:53.58 | AgentSmith | no |
| 01:54.00 | AgentSmith | they changed them |
| 01:54.03 | AgentSmith | it used to be, you'd get an email |
| 01:54.05 | AgentSmith | bottom of screen would go |
| 01:54.10 | AgentSmith | "6 new messages on account satan@hell.com" |
| 01:54.16 | AgentSmith | then swoop down to a mail icon |
| 01:54.19 | AgentSmith | now it just dings and shows the mail icon |
| 01:54.27 | AgentSmith | no 10-second alert showing how many and what account etc. |
| 01:54.52 | psykoz | Ahh |
| 01:55.00 | psykoz | I actually didn't like the "6 emails in blah@blah account" |
| 01:55.04 | psykoz | I prefered just a ding and the email icon |
| 01:55.21 | AgentSmith | yeah it's a difference is all, i can probably adapt to the envelope only |
| 01:55.29 | AgentSmith | it's still more informative than the darn iphone |
| 01:55.30 | psykoz | why did they consider that a big security issue? |
| 01:55.37 | psykoz | because it showed the account name? |
| 01:55.38 | AgentSmith | "my phone vibrated, i wonder why? could it be email? app alert?" |
| 01:55.40 | tharris- | no |
| 01:55.49 | tharris- | cause you could do dirty things with it =p |
| 01:55.55 | krische | oh I figured out my problem. I think the downloaded script must have got corrupted or something. I redownloaded it and now it's working. |
| 01:55.57 | psykoz | tharris-, like? |
| 01:56.11 | tharris- | execute arbitrary html code on anyone phone =p |
| 01:56.22 | psykoz | Gotcha |
| 01:58.09 | psykoz | So i'm confused about the iTunes war |
| 01:58.21 | psykoz | at this point is Palm saying "screw you apple, we know your devices just as well as you do" |
| 01:58.55 | psykoz | or does Palm secretly pay apple royalties and the apple fix was just a big media stunt to relenquish them from litigation against bluwiki but then said in the backgroudn to Palm "here's the fix" for gayTunes |
| 01:59.04 | Templarian | psykoz: Palm knows they can win the battle. iTunes updates are annoying to their users. |
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| 01:59.29 | HebrewzHammer | should I pop all my patches beofre doing the OTA upgrade? |
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| 02:00.52 | Rick__ | ******************** TA DAH ********************** |
| 02:00.58 | HebrewzHammer | ??? |
| 02:01.06 | Rick__ | the conversion of pages from the old to the new wiki is done. |
| 02:01.12 | Rick__ | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:01.13 | HebrewzHammer | CONGRATS! |
| 02:01.15 | HebrewzHammer | and THANX! |
| 02:01.19 | Rick__ | none left. |
| 02:01.26 | Rick__ | Now only sorting and renaming and un-rooting |
| 02:01.43 | HebrewzHammer | Rick_: Should I pop all my patches before doing the OTA upgrade? |
| 02:01.45 | Rick__ | What's the webos-internals equivalent of a barn-star |
| 02:01.56 | Rick__ | 'cause hopspitfire gets one. |
| 02:02.01 | Rick__ | whatever the hell it is. |
| 02:05.47 | raeb | ROFLMAO we're the real heroes guys and gals |
| 02:05.56 | raeb | heeeeerrroooooeeeesssssss |
| 02:06.00 | raeb | right rwhitby ? |
| 02:06.00 | rwhitby | raeb: I warned you :-) |
| 02:06.32 | raeb | very nice |
| 02:06.36 | Lurking_Grue | Hmmm the bookmarking in the media player stopped working. |
| 02:07.52 | HebrewzHammer | anyone? should I pop all my patches before doing the OTA upgrade? |
| 02:08.07 | rwhitby | HebrewzHammer: yes, you should. |
| 02:08.08 | drnull_ | Lurking_Grue: have you only lost old bookmarks or new ones not working either? |
| 02:08.22 | HebrewzHammer | thank you |
| 02:08.30 | rwhitby | HebrewzHammer: then you will know which ones don't apply cleanly after the new update |
| 02:08.43 | WillJitsu | does anyone here know how to remove a homebrew app that does not give you the option to delete it on the Pre? |
| 02:09.01 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: you need to go into the Pre command line and ipkg uninstall it |
| 02:09.43 | Lurking_Grue | dr: looks like the media player was reverted so the bookmarks are gone and it isn't making them. |
| 02:09.49 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: where can I pull up a list of the exact names of the apps so I can use the correct command? |
| 02:10.05 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: ipkg list |
| 02:10.17 | Lurking_Grue | ipkg remove com.handson.app.nfl |
| 02:10.20 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: or ipkg -o /var list (but if it's in there then you should be able to remove it) |
| 02:10.27 | drnull_ | Lurking_Grue: I'll try to rollback the patches, upgrade tomorrow and reapply and see what needs fixing. |
| 02:10.27 | Lurking_Grue | wrong window ;) |
| 02:10.39 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: or ipkg-opt list if you've gone and used ipkg-opt to install a normal webos app for some reason |
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| 02:10.56 | joesmith | hey yall |
| 02:11.10 | Lurking_Grue | Dr: I didn't roll back the patches before... they may have updated the app. |
| 02:11.39 | joesmith | does anyone know how long my phone will go before it forces me to update |
| 02:11.52 | Lurking_Grue | Music player has jul 17 dates on it. |
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| 02:13.38 | Rick__ | joe - probably a week |
| 02:14.06 | Zuchmir2 | i've implemented an "FontInfo" to term, would like a 2nd pair of eyes to look it over before commit |
| 02:14.29 | joesmith | thanks rick |
| 02:14.37 | Rick__ | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/User_talk:Hopspitfire |
| 02:14.51 | Rick__ | Matt did MASSIVE work on the conversion effort. as in over 100 pages. |
| 02:15.02 | Rick__ | Please stop by his user page and thank him if yu have a moment. |
| 02:15.16 | joesmith | has anyone been able to re-aply the fwd of email and text msg mod |
| 02:15.32 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: I tried "sudo ipkg remove com.ctladvance.prebrewfarts" and it returns: "No packages removed. Nothing to be done" |
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| 02:17.55 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: find the app files and just delete them, then reboot |
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| 02:19.00 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: do you know where most app files are installed? or at least a hint where to start looking? |
| 02:19.56 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: /var/usr/palm/applications, or /usr/palm/applications |
| 02:20.08 | rwhitby | if in the former, you should be able to delete them |
| 02:20.48 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: so I can just do a "rm -rf directory" and then reboot and that should cleanly remove all traces of the app? |
| 02:20.58 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: yes |
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| 02:22.37 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: hmm looks like prebrewfarts is in the /usr/palm/applications dir. anyway to delete from there? |
| 02:23.01 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: same deal, just make the rootfs rw first |
| 02:23.06 | WillJitsu | gotcha |
| 02:23.07 | WillJitsu | thanks |
| 02:23.21 | Speeder2k | i need some assistance getting the pre connected to vista 64 |
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| 02:23.44 | Speeder2k | everything is up and running but palm-install -d usb -l gives me no devices found |
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| 02:24.59 | Speeder2k | novacom is running (amd64 version), pre is detected with 'palm novacom' |
| 02:25.59 | Speeder2k | pre is in the dev mode... |
| 02:26.33 | Templarian | podcast, hehe "palm is perfect" |
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| 02:28.25 | destinal | rwhitby: good interview |
| 02:29.46 | rwhitby | destinal: thx |
| 02:31.47 | destinal | I love this device -- just a simple thing like someone being able to IM me a link and that clicking it and listening in the background works, you'd think that would be common on smartphones, but not really |
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| 02:32.26 | destinal | see: iphone's background application restrictions, etc |
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| 02:34.09 | Speeder2k | am i the only one having issues with novacom & vista 64? |
| 02:34.25 | joesmith | hey yall, I just plugged my pre into my windows xp laptop and I cant find the connection under "network connections" any ideas? |
| 02:34.54 | destinal | they re-enabled itunes? |
| 02:35.00 | destinal | interesting |
| 02:35.24 | joesmith | palm literally bitch smacked apple with that one |
| 02:35.29 | joesmith | LOVED IT |
| 02:35.42 | destinal | anyone know yet what they did? |
| 02:36.05 | destinal | ie was it changing root usb vendor name, or.. |
| 02:36.19 | X1011 | joesmith: i don't think that's what 'literally' means |
| 02:37.31 | joesmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.41 | joesmith | In a literal or strict sense: Don't take my remarks literally. |
| 02:37.59 | psykoz | destinal, it's funny whatever they did, they forgot to say "yeah apple, take that you bitches" :) |
| 02:38.00 | destinal | joesmith: literally as opposed to figuratively. they figuratively smacked apple with that one |
| 02:38.05 | Lurking_Grue | You mean figuratively i think. |
| 02:38.09 | joesmith | I guess I am wrong :) |
| 02:38.34 | destinal | palm has no palms and cannot smack, but a large palm smacking a large apple is an amusing image |
| 02:38.55 | X1011 | xD |
| 02:38.56 | james_ | what is the term for adding text to scripts that a user can read but the computer ignores them? |
| 02:39.06 | psykoz | love this article: http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10013277o-2000334309b,00.htm titled - "Palm now open themselves up to be sued by Apple" |
| 02:39.17 | X1011 | james_: comment |
| 02:39.22 | james_ | thank you |
| 02:39.55 | psykoz | Such a apple fanboy the writer is |
| 02:40.13 | joesmith | yep |
| 02:40.39 | psykoz | Palm has basically by doing this put themselves on Google News' front page, they're going to in this battle with Apple get more press attention than they could have ever paid for ;) |
| 02:40.42 | joesmith | he sounds like a whiney little B1Tch |
| 02:40.44 | james_ | if i wanted to edit the .js file to add/remove launcher pages, could i make the commands that i am supposed to delete into a "comment" so that if i go back i know exactly what i editted, and the script would still work? |
| 02:41.33 | joesmith | any ideas why my pre wont show up under network connections? |
| 02:42.39 | destinal | psykoz: I think that apple is more opening themselves to lawsuit than palm is |
| 02:42.44 | destinal | if they block again |
| 02:42.56 | Lurking_Grue | Looks like the amazon down loader was updated as well. |
| 02:43.13 | psykoz | destinal, nah DMCA holds its weight in the US |
| 02:43.20 | psykoz | see HP and generic toner cartridges for precedent |
| 02:43.41 | destinal | psykoz: DMCA has an exception for interoperability actually, doesn't it? |
| 02:43.44 | X1011 | joesmith: did you install USBnet? |
| 02:43.58 | psykoz | but it will however bring light of the issue publicly of apple's obsession with monopolising the music and player industry ;) |
| 02:43.58 | joesmith | yeah it was working an hour agoa |
| 02:44.40 | joesmith | I just checked and somehow usbnet was disabled on my pre, wierd |
| 02:44.50 | joesmith | now it shows up |
| 02:45.40 | james_ | did apple block the pre's ipod spoof? |
| 02:45.57 | psykoz | they did in 8.2.1, but Palm's latest update fixes it again and says f'you apple |
| 02:46.09 | Lurking_Grue | I thought the DMCA was only a problem when encryption was involved. |
| 02:46.34 | psykoz | lurking_grue, which is why cracking the iPodHash has been a problem, because it's attempting to crack encryption |
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| 02:47.42 | james_ | did apple block the pre's ipod spoof? |
| 02:47.50 | Eguy | woohoo Rod ftw! |
| 02:48.03 | joesmith | all I know is I am a fan of anyone who dares to poke the apple dragon |
| 02:48.10 | psykoz | 21:45 < james_> did apple block the pre's ipod spoof? |
| 02:48.10 | psykoz | 21:45 < psykoz> they did in 8.2.1, but Palm's latest update fixes it again and says f'you apple |
| 02:48.12 | Eguy | amen |
| 02:48.20 | james_ | it doesn't seem like they could win a lawsuit to me |
| 02:49.19 | james_ | psykoz, sorry, hit a button in my terminal and couldn't read the channel |
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| 02:49.29 | psykoz | james_, np |
| 02:49.38 | DarthPooh | WOOT! Borked my phone with 1.1.0!!!!!! |
| 02:49.47 | Lurking_Grue | Yaaaaaaay! |
| 02:49.48 | Zuchmir2 | destinal: i've implemented an "FontInfo" to term, would like a 2nd pair of eyes to look it over before commit |
| 02:49.49 | DarthPooh | def bricked... |
| 02:49.55 | X1011 | 'grats |
| 02:50.04 | Zuchmir2 | it's work-in-progress |
| 02:50.05 | destinal | Zuchmir2: can you pastebin a patch and post URL? |
| 02:50.07 | DarthPooh | on my second go around with the doctor... failed the first time |
| 02:50.08 | Eguy | Ouch |
| 02:50.11 | Eguy | DP |
| 02:50.14 | destinal | mrvc: you around? |
| 02:50.27 | mrvc | yep |
| 02:50.29 | Eguy | Mine is halfway through installing |
| 02:50.39 | mrvc | just pushed some changes |
| 02:50.43 | destinal | Zuchmir2's hacking on the term lib too |
| 02:50.45 | DarthPooh | I am the first to have borked theirs... according to this rep |
| 02:51.07 | DarthPooh | he said engineers said it was Rare but not impossible. I am like a rare pokemon card... |
| 02:51.13 | DarthPooh | very valuable |
| 02:51.16 | Eguy | haha |
| 02:51.20 | mrvc | Hi Zuchmir2 |
| 02:51.49 | Zuchmir2 | hi, am abstractinf the fontinfo... |
| 02:51.50 | DarthPooh | Rod said you would have to light it on fire to have bricked it... well, I say nay nay... |
| 02:51.52 | destinal | Zuchmir2: does that sound good? ie just make a diff against git HEAD and pastebin it? |
| 02:52.07 | destinal | then I and maybe mrvc can check it out |
| 02:52.07 | Zuchmir2 | yeah, doing it now |
| 02:52.12 | X1011 | DarthPooh: no, you're like a shiny pokemon, rare but not valuable |
| 02:52.20 | mrvc | i want to test handling of side scrolling |
| 02:52.25 | mrvc | anyone know how to enable that? |
| 02:52.26 | DarthPooh | but dont worry eguy... I am like the only one whose done it with 1.1.0 |
| 02:52.38 | Eguy | Oh ok |
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| 02:52.45 | destinal | mrvc: Zuchmir2 had vertical scrolling going by changing the height |
| 02:52.45 | Eguy | you had me going there ;) |
| 02:52.47 | psykoz | destinal, the court's ruling on Lexmark Toner cartridges just says that a manufacturer can't use lockout chips to disable interoperability from competitive aftermarket replacement parts |
| 02:52.51 | destinal | I imagine you could change the width |
| 02:52.56 | Eguy | ~80% :) |
| 02:53.17 | psykoz | destinal, I don't know how this would apply to software and hardware interoperability ie: itunes and ipod, as neither have aftermarket replacement parts |
| 02:53.18 | Eguy | I hate having to restore my mods after updates :( |
| 02:53.20 | mrvc | I tried making it wider than 320, but no luck |
| 02:53.23 | DarthPooh | nah, don't be worried, only someone with my skillz could bork a Pre with an update. |
| 02:53.31 | mrvc | seems like side scrolling is a special feature that has to be enabled |
| 02:53.42 | Zuchmir2 | http://pastebin.com/d3fd3d199 |
| 02:53.42 | destinal | mrvc: obviously it _can_ work as the web browser is a plugin too |
| 02:53.48 | mrvc | yep |
| 02:54.00 | mrvc | vertical scrolling seems to be enabled by default, but not horizontal |
| 02:54.05 | mrvc | I can look it up |
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| 02:54.20 | psykoz | destinal, so this would only apply to like if apple said "you can't use a generic charger, we're putting licensed chips in all of our chargers, you have to buy our chargers, not theirs" |
| 02:54.46 | jwm | hmm |
| 02:54.52 | jwm | kvm and virtualbox don't like each other |
| 02:54.53 | jwm | heh |
| 02:54.57 | destinal | Zuchmir2 mrvc: with diff highlighting http://pastebin.com/m628e80ad |
| 02:55.35 | Zuchmir2 | mrvc: these mods are a prelude to scrolling... |
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| 02:55.46 | Eguy | Any way to get landscape rotation in the AP news app? same deal as the email app? |
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| 02:57.25 | rwhitby | DarthPooh: volume-up restore didn't fix it? |
| 02:57.29 | Zuchmir2 | esp look over the alloc/free stuuf (as i'm pretty new to C++) |
| 02:58.13 | Eguy | Oh my Rod, I envisioned your voice a lot different haha! I forgot you were an Aussie |
| 02:58.44 | HebrewzHammer | :( None of my patches work with the new OTS update :( :( :( |
| 02:58.53 | Zuchmir2 | currently reset the screen to use 56 lines (that's calculated) |
| 02:59.26 | Zuchmir2 | also didn't understand the mutext stuff, so that has to be fixed |
| 02:59.44 | rwhitby | Eguy: I had a cold too, so it sounds slightly muffled |
| 03:00.08 | tmzt | Eguy: assuming it's js |
| 03:00.32 | Eguy | I have a cold now as well, coincidence? nah... |
| 03:01.19 | tmzt | rwhitby: you were interviewed? |
| 03:01.31 | Eguy | PalmCast :) |
| 03:01.33 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: I think it looks pretty good -- what is the fontinfo? |
| 03:01.33 | rwhitby | Eguy: yeah, but it's not winter where you are I bet. |
| 03:01.48 | rwhitby | tmzt: http://media.libsyn.com/media/treocentral/palmcast68-5.mp3 |
| 03:01.49 | Eguy | Nope :) A nice 90 degree day here |
| 03:02.09 | tmzt | has there been any news on the terminal stuff, I guess it's early |
| 03:02.10 | Eguy | Boot time certainly did not get minimized :D |
| 03:02.17 | HebrewzHammer | lol, yea |
| 03:02.24 | Eguy | Man it is painful |
| 03:02.34 | HebrewzHammer | ? |
| 03:02.37 | rwhitby | tmzt: terminal alpha works well enough for me to run "ipkg -o /var upgrade" :-) |
| 03:02.39 | Eguy | Better than a crackberry though |
| 03:02.52 | Zuchmir2 | the FontInfo is an abstract layer which can be modifed w/o messing with any fixed sizes (which you all over the place * 8 / 8, % 8, etc) |
| 03:03.08 | d03boy | webos update!!!!!! |
| 03:03.13 | Zuchmir2 | they are all hinged on the FontInfo now |
| 03:03.36 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: sounds good. I didn't see the file though |
| 03:03.41 | destinal | Zuchmir2: I think we'll eventually replace with a font library, but this is still a good step towards that |
| 03:03.47 | tmzt | url doesn't work |
| 03:04.05 | tmzt | rwhitby: cool, does links2 or similar work yet |
| 03:04.08 | destinal | and abstracts in a needed way |
| 03:04.10 | tmzt | or maybe irssi? |
| 03:04.16 | rwhitby | tmzt: haven't tested |
| 03:04.24 | Eguy | OH MY GOD the phone is so much faster |
| 03:04.57 | Zuchmir2 | http://pastebin.com/d2a3fb158 |
| 03:05.28 | Zuchmir2 | that's the FontInfo files (I thought they went into the diffs) |
| 03:06.38 | Eguy | anyone notice that novaterm is WAY slow? |
| 03:07.24 | joesmith | hopes when he wakes up all the hacks will magically work |
| 03:07.39 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: I hadn't patched it in, maybe I missed it |
| 03:07.52 | d03boy | Do not remove the battery. |
| 03:08.01 | destinal | ~battery |
| 03:08.02 | infobot | [battery] made by Danionics http://www.danionics.com/products/icphh02.asp, or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/questions.html#AEN744 |
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| 03:08.22 | destinal | ipaq, wow |
| 03:08.32 | Zuchmir2 | mrvc: i thought that a git diff would show the new files as well, but now i realiase i have to add them |
| 03:12.44 | Firefishe | splitsville |
| 03:12.44 | AgentSmith | booooo |
| 03:12.44 | AgentSmith | ah IRC |
| 03:12.44 | AgentSmith | you're so old |
| 03:12.44 | Firefishe | heh |
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| 03:13.14 | Zuchmir2 | mrvc: can you please look over specifically the new/delete/mutex stuff, as i am not clear in that area |
| 03:13.31 | Firefishe | Where would I find out information on writing gps software for the pre? I'm looking to write a general gps navigation application with the usual satellite, compass, and map pages. |
| 03:13.35 | destinal | Zuchmir2: you want to try committing and pushing if you've got everything square away? assuming you were working in the directory and have tracked files the whole time... |
| 03:14.22 | joesmith | hopes when he wakes up all the hacks will magically work |
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| 03:15.08 | rwhitby | joesmith: that's the intent of quilt ... |
| 03:15.09 | Quantsini | finally, I've successfully built anyterm on the pre |
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| 03:17.09 | joesmith | thinks pre fairies are the smartest fairies there are, after they are done with an iphone fairy they leave them crying in a corner, wondering why they even exist, wishing the could be pre fairies too |
| 03:17.29 | AgentSmith | lol wtf joesmith |
| 03:17.36 | joesmith | at least thats how I like to imagine it |
| 03:17.45 | d03boy | i wonder if apple will update itunes tomorrow |
| 03:17.50 | AgentSmith | this iphone fairy bailed on them all! |
| 03:17.58 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: sorry. how do I apply your patch? |
| 03:17.59 | bpadalino | i believe the iphone and pre can coexist ... i like both phones a lot |
| 03:18.07 | AgentSmith | bpadalino: me too |
| 03:18.14 | AgentSmith | and it's part of the free market whatzit |
| 03:18.16 | joesmith | I dont mind the iphones at all |
| 03:18.20 | AgentSmith | i'm glad the pre is here to kick iphone in the pants |
| 03:18.24 | AgentSmith | (UK pants) |
| 03:18.34 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: I'm pretty new to git |
| 03:18.55 | joesmith | I am just anti iphone fanboy, nothing against the phone |
| 03:19.02 | d03boy | ditto |
| 03:19.10 | d03boy | this update is taking a while to install... ugh |
| 03:19.28 | Pre101 | Yes, patience is required. |
| 03:19.56 | joesmith | does anyone know if msg fwd still works post update? |
| 03:20.25 | destinal | mrvc: I'm having him try to commit and push it |
| 03:20.30 | destinal | mrvc: so you can just pull |
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| 03:22.36 | AgentSmith | joesmith: that's fine, i hate fanboys too |
| 03:22.41 | AgentSmith | which sucks, because i do like some aspects of iphone quite a bit, i have to , i helped make it rule |
| 03:22.51 | AgentSmith | but i hate fanboys in general, and also equally hate all phones |
| 03:22.55 | AgentSmith | i can criticize anything heavily |
| 03:23.05 | AgentSmith | like the iphone's pathetic implementation of A2DP |
| 03:23.11 | AgentSmith | one of my friends there gets pissed at my rantings |
| 03:24.39 | d03boy | can you SSH from the pre to another computer? |
| 03:24.50 | joesmith | I cant wait to go back to school and shove my palm pre into my classmates iphone 3g face. |
| 03:24.58 | d03boy | i'm listening to a podcast of someone from this channel. Who is it? |
| 03:25.07 | Eguy | Anyone else notice how FAST webos is now or was mine just SO slow before? |
| 03:25.07 | joesmith | rod |
| 03:25.16 | Eguy | rhwitby |
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| 03:25.29 | d03boy | cool. nic ework rwhitby |
| 03:25.44 | Eguy | Ie: boss of webos-internals ;) |
| 03:25.55 | d03boy | i might have to go into a fantasy football league this year with this new app |
| 03:26.23 | italiano | question - rebooting speeds up almost any device on the planet.....is entering the command <pkill LunaSysMgr> the same and will it speed up my pre? |
| 03:26.47 | joesmith | rod = UB3R H4XZOR P0WN4GE with lots of sugar |
| 03:26.49 | d03boy | now if only there was a Big 12 app |
| 03:26.56 | Eguy | lol joe |
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| 03:29.31 | joesmith | ok I have just offically loaded most LOTR extrended, spiderman trilogy, xmen 1-4, iron man, superman, and the hulk onto my pre |
| 03:29.47 | joesmith | :D |
| 03:30.23 | DarthPooh | webOS doctor = uber FAIL |
| 03:30.25 | DarthPooh | damn it |
| 03:30.30 | DarthPooh | 4 times |
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| 03:30.56 | joesmith | what made your phone brick darthpooh? |
| 03:30.59 | d03boy | I found dumb thing #1: When adding an email account you must first try to "sign in" before it lets you manually set up |
| 03:31.08 | DarthPooh | 1.1.0 |
| 03:31.24 | joesmith | really, just downloading it |
| 03:31.27 | joesmith | scary |
| 03:31.31 | DarthPooh | i am apparently the only one |
| 03:31.49 | psykoz | d03boy, you think that's dumb, you should play with blackberry's services for att/verizon which do the same and worse |
| 03:31.53 | joesmith | now I am scared |
| 03:31.56 | psykoz | d03boy, in some cases they won't even offer you manual configuration ;) |
| 03:32.14 | DarthPooh | nah... i think I am the only one it happened to |
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| 03:33.42 | d03boy | psykoz, i have a bb with att righ tnext to me. Maybe I will try! |
| 03:33.48 | joesmith | well I am downloading now and saying good bye to my mods, some of which wont work yet :( |
| 03:34.07 | d03boy | d03boy Tip #1: When the keyboard is out and the screen turns off, use spacebar to turn screen back on |
| 03:34.52 | psykoz | d03boy, unless it's changed recently if you go to att.blackberry.net and try to add gmail in and then manually configure it, it won't let you, it also forces you to use pop3, you then had to make up fake email address, fake server, choose manual configuration and then reconfigure for gmail + imap |
| 03:34.55 | Eguy | Uber Ouch DP |
| 03:35.06 | Eguy | Mine is fine and i am LOVING the speed increase |
| 03:35.25 | DarthPooh | eff you... ;) i'll get a new one tomorro |
| 03:35.26 | DarthPooh | w |
| 03:36.06 | d03boy | thats crazy |
| 03:36.22 | d03boy | is testing the sending email with encryption.. will it work? |
| 03:36.51 | d03boy | works on wifi! |
| 03:36.54 | d03boy | yay they fixed it |
| 03:37.12 | psykoz | the UI speed increase is nice |
| 03:37.17 | joesmith | what do u mean email with encryption |
| 03:37.30 | d03boy | i could not send emails with imap+tls before |
| 03:37.45 | joesmith | wow half way done with dl and its only been a minute |
| 03:38.15 | psykoz | my download was severla minutes ;) |
| 03:38.16 | Rick__ | ok |
| 03:38.31 | Rick__ | I now have to re-write the windows linux access page. |
| 03:38.39 | Eguy | crap |
| 03:38.42 | Rick__ | since it is confirmed that there is no novaterm for windows. |
| 03:38.47 | Eguy | it broke my other clock theme |
| 03:38.52 | joesmith | rick how is that chess coming :) |
| 03:38.59 | Rick__ | since nicoya was nice enough to confirm it |
| 03:39.07 | Rick__ | joesmith -- good and bad. |
| 03:39.27 | d03boy | I can't believe it works! I can be 100% happy with this phone now (minus the fact that I want more apps) |
| 03:39.33 | Rick__ | the EXISTING app will never have a take a move back. There's no move stack and the arcitechure sucks for it. |
| 03:39.39 | Rick__ | but I found a DIFFERENT one that is good. |
| 03:39.42 | Eguy | I love this phone now even more as well |
| 03:40.00 | PreGame | don't get me started guys |
| 03:40.01 | Rick__ | AND I am working with the nice guys at ajaxchess.com to port their FICS and GNU CHESS web clients to the pre |
| 03:40.18 | PreGame | Rick_ |
| 03:40.22 | psykoz | freechess++ |
| 03:40.22 | Rick__ | which will allow you to play on the internet at fics servers via the cloud and against gnuchess via the cloud |
| 03:40.24 | PreGame | you need to fix your chess game |
| 03:40.32 | Rick__ | PreGame -- it's not mine. |
| 03:40.36 | Rick__ | but I'm fixing it anyway. |
| 03:40.36 | d03boy | did the button turn on the screen before when the screen was open? |
| 03:40.39 | d03boy | because it does now... |
| 03:40.48 | d03boy | thats a good upgrade |
| 03:40.53 | PreGame | if you select player 1 and player 2 then it freezes and wont let you uncheck |
| 03:41.10 | Rick__ | PreGame, huh, it doesn't do that for me. |
| 03:41.13 | Eguy | PreGame, I am happy your flashlight still works :D |
| 03:41.16 | Rick__ | but I will try it again. |
| 03:41.18 | joesmith | what I really would like to see is an undo/ maybe save/resume game/ two player/ save game log |
| 03:41.30 | Rick__ | joesmith. I found one for you. |
| 03:41.30 | joesmith | I am happy to play against the cloud |
| 03:41.32 | psykoz | I want blind chess |
| 03:41.35 | psykoz | please gimme blind |
| 03:41.35 | Rick__ | I will be porting it |
| 03:41.41 | joesmith | YAY |
| 03:41.41 | psykoz | kthx bai |
| 03:41.43 | joesmith | TY |
| 03:41.51 | Rick__ | joesmith, go look at the games area at brothercake.com |
| 03:42.07 | Rick__ | he has a chess two player or noting system with import and export and multiple types of notation |
| 03:42.13 | Rick__ | You'll be getting that eventually |
| 03:42.16 | Rick__ | it's cool |
| 03:42.31 | joesmith | my tournament directors will be so happy they can get a legible notation! |
| 03:42.34 | Eguy | damn this UI speed is incredible, I knew they would fix it at some point |
| 03:42.44 | Rick__ | http://brothercake.com/site/resources/games/chess/ |
| 03:42.44 | joesmith | I can just email it to them |
| 03:43.20 | Rick__ | go read that, and tell me what you think. |
| 03:43.23 | Rick__ | Try playing it. |
| 03:43.31 | joesmith | woah does it save pgn files |
| 03:43.33 | Rick__ | ((( no computer opponent )) |
| 03:43.48 | joesmith | it looks like it saves pgn files |
| 03:43.56 | Rick__ | yes it does joesmith |
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| 03:44.02 | joesmith | !!!!!!! |
| 03:44.04 | joesmith | YAYA |
| 03:44.15 | Rick__ | note: You will not have this "tommorow" |
| 03:44.19 | joesmith | THIS IS AMAZING |
| 03:44.26 | d03boy | can you open PDF in a browser yet? |
| 03:44.30 | Rick__ | it's probably something like 18 hours of work to port it to the pre. |
| 03:44.37 | joesmith | TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY |
| 03:44.43 | Rick__ | not yet joe |
| 03:44.44 | james_ | yay i successfully edited the options to add/delete launcher pages and changed Sprint at the top left to James! |
| 03:44.53 | Rick__ | unless YOU want to try porting it. |
| 03:44.56 | Rick__ | it's not hard. |
| 03:45.00 | Rick__ | just tedious |
| 03:45.07 | rwhitby | Eguy: not the boss, just a facilitator :-) |
| 03:45.15 | joesmith | I CAN EMAIL MYSELF GAMES AND LOAD THEM INTO CHESSBASE10 |
| 03:45.21 | Rick__ | yes joe. |
| 03:45.24 | Lacutis | man 1.1 takes forever |
| 03:45.25 | Rick__ | calm down.... |
| 03:45.28 | Rick__ | go take a walk. |
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| 03:45.50 | Rick__ | can I talk about webos-internals for a moment. |
| 03:45.59 | Rick__ | I need some help with a decison about how to write this. |
| 03:46.08 | Rick__ | there is no "novaterm" for windows. |
| 03:46.22 | Rick__ | But, novacom can talk to the pre just fine all by itself from a windows command window |
| 03:46.25 | james_ | novaterm is so convenient :) |
| 03:46.35 | Rick__ | you can't run vi from there, but you can get a root@castle prompt |
| 03:46.49 | jwm | vi works for me hehe |
| 03:46.51 | Rick__ | at which point, it's 3 lines to get the optware script running. and ssh into the pre. |
| 03:47.16 | Rick__ | The ALTERNATIVE is to install cygwin. :-/ which is huge and a pita. |
| 03:47.19 | Rick__ | but it works, |
| 03:47.23 | AgentSmith | cygwin |
| 03:47.27 | d03boy | Cannot find an application which can open this file. |
| 03:47.30 | d03boy | still didnt fix PDF :( |
| 03:47.31 | AgentSmith | it's like a genetically engineered goat |
| 03:47.42 | Rick__ | AgentSmith, doesn't matter |
| 03:47.50 | AgentSmith | :) |
| 03:47.53 | Rick__ | I've got a problem to solve and a limited tool set |
| 03:48.02 | rwhitby | Rick__: run optware-bootstrap.sh, then use PuTTY after that |
| 03:48.02 | Rick__ | here's the question: |
| 03:48.08 | Rick__ | that's the answer |
| 03:48.15 | rwhitby | don't force people to install cygwin |
| 03:48.19 | Rick__ | thank you Rod. |
| 03:48.24 | Rick__ | rwhitby, I understand that |
| 03:48.27 | james_ | putty worked fine when i was on windows |
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| 03:48.53 | Rick__ | the question is, do we want to give them the CHOICE... in other words, do I write an "but if you don't want to install ssh on your pre, here's the other choice..." page. |
| 03:48.59 | Rick__ | which will be a huge pain in the ass. |
| 03:49.07 | jwm | cygwin is pretty small if you just install the dll and shell |
| 03:49.10 | Rick__ | or do I just shut up and say --- type 4 lines. |
| 03:49.17 | james_ | type 4 lines |
| 03:49.21 | jwm | hehe |
| 03:49.25 | Rick__ | yep |
| 03:50.04 | rwhitby | Rick__: less choices |
| 03:50.07 | lmorchard | Type 4 lines - if you knew what to do with the choice, you probably could figure it out yourself :) |
| 03:51.00 | Rick__ | got it. \ |
| 03:51.04 | Rick__ | page coming up |
| 03:51.09 | Rick__ | will request review in a minute |
| 03:53.20 | psykoz | hate cygwin |
| 03:53.33 | psykoz | vote just write 3 lines option |
| 03:53.45 | psykoz | at this point if the user is going through this much effort, they're either crazy, or know what they're doing-ish |
| 03:53.57 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: are you pushing your changes? |
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| 03:55.30 | jwm | why do people hate cygwin |
| 03:55.32 | jwm | heh |
| 03:56.09 | gkatsev | jwm: cuz its horrible, lol |
| 03:56.13 | d03boy | its bloaty |
| 03:56.22 | d03boy | you might as well just use lunix |
| 03:56.23 | gkatsev | is there a changelog for 1.1.0 somewhere? |
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| 03:56.33 | jwm | hehe |
| 03:56.35 | gkatsev | if you must use windows, i recommend andLinux |
| 03:56.36 | psykoz | it's bloaty, they dont' offer a "all things we offer" download to just install |
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| 03:56.44 | psykoz | you have to go through their stupid installer app and choose individually what you want |
| 03:56.47 | psykoz | it's the worst design ever |
| 03:56.49 | jwm | well |
| 03:56.54 | jwm | you just choose what you want |
| 03:56.58 | jwm | it pulls depends auto |
| 03:57.05 | jwm | if you want ssh you just go choose openssh |
| 03:57.13 | psykoz | it's still horrible ;) |
| 03:57.18 | psykoz | worst interface evar |
| 03:57.18 | jwm | and it will pull all neeeded depends |
| 03:57.25 | jwm | well, it still works |
| 03:57.28 | jwm | works great imo |
| 03:57.39 | jwm | only free fully working X server for windows I know of :) |
| 03:57.52 | gkatsev | xming is the best xserver |
| 03:58.04 | psykoz | So you're saying by proxy just offering crap for windows that it's the best? :) |
| 03:58.27 | psykoz | "bob is the only guy selling poop in a bag, therefore his poop in the bag is the best" :) |
| 03:58.41 | gkatsev | psykoz: well, that is kind of true |
| 03:58.46 | gkatsev | but, no, there is minGW |
| 03:59.39 | gkatsev | but i like andlinux (andlinux.org) which unfortunately, doesnt work with win7 atm, because it offers an actual term since it is just ubuntu |
| 03:59.41 | rwhitby | jwm: cygwin is way to complex for the userbase for which this howto is targetted |
| 03:59.44 | Zuchmir2 | how do i add the files tothe git tree? |
| 03:59.54 | rwhitby | Zuchmir2: git add |
| 04:00.06 | seige | whattup psykoz ... |
| 04:00.14 | jwm | I'm not arguing to add it to the howto |
| 04:00.24 | jwm | but you could have a little link with if you want to do this.. |
| 04:00.27 | seige | any beer homebrewers in here? |
| 04:00.42 | jwm | but the people who want to use cygwin and already know about it don't need a howto |
| 04:00.48 | jwm | so I'm not arguing to put it in |
| 04:00.53 | jwm | just defending it |
| 04:01.04 | jwm | I like cygwin if you're stuck with windows hehe |
| 04:01.13 | jwm | it's saved me in a few sticky situations |
| 04:01.20 | Zuchmir2 | +rwhitby: thanks |
| 04:01.43 | gkatsev | so... anyone know where i could find a changelog for updates? |
| 04:01.51 | rwhitby | jwm: sure, cygwin is a nice way to survive in windows. a linux vm is easier :-) |
| 04:01.54 | Zuchmir2 | what is the difference between add vs. commit? |
| 04:02.03 | rwhitby | Zuchmir2: add just lets git track it |
| 04:02.13 | Zuchmir2 | ah, ok |
| 04:02.23 | destinal | rwhitby: I switched back from windows to ubuntu and life is so much easier |
| 04:02.32 | gkatsev | i guess here: http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/50607_en.html#11 |
| 04:02.35 | rwhitby | Zuchmir2: git status shows the difference |
| 04:02.50 | destinal | I was running windows for games, now I have to dual boot. I can deal though |
| 04:03.13 | james_ | i switched to ubuntu from windows after i rooted my pre |
| 04:03.14 | Zuchmir2 | after add, do i *also* have to commit? |
| 04:03.16 | rwhitby | destinal: I switched to macosx and it's even easier still. linux has too many disparate UIs. I run ubuntu headless in my VMs. |
| 04:03.21 | rwhitby | Zuchmir2: yes, then push. |
| 04:03.31 | james_ | typing all the commands in the pre was fun so i tried linux |
| 04:03.33 | destinal | rwhitby: I might go back to hackintosh |
| 04:03.43 | destinal | rwhitby: OSX is good, even if their security sucks |
| 04:05.49 | destinal | mostly they need to keep up on upstream patches, see the latest java vuln, months old with remote code execution |
| 04:06.13 | destinal | (patched now) |
| 04:08.05 | gkatsev | w00t, they enabled the forward gesture, also, have people noticed that in landscape view, back/forward gestures scroll the page? |
| 04:08.24 | Zuchmir2 | fatal: protocol error: expected sha/ref, got ' |
| 04:08.24 | Zuchmir2 | ---------------------------------------------- |
| 04:08.24 | Zuchmir2 | The git:// url is read-only. Please see http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications for the push url, if you're a committer. |
| 04:08.42 | Zuchmir2 | oh whoops, did it wrong |
| 04:09.14 | Zuchmir2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.14 | Zuchmir2 | error: failed to push some refs to 'git@gitorious.org:webos-internals/applications.git' |
| 04:10.07 | Zuchmir2 | should we just "revert" last mod, as this update has that code (put in manually) |
| 04:11.11 | destinal | Zuchmir2: ugh |
| 04:12.06 | destinal | gkatsev: the scrolling via gesture in landscape was in 104 too |
| 04:12.07 | rwhitby | Zuchmir2: you need to rebase, then push |
| 04:12.18 | rwhitby | *never* --force on a push |
| 04:12.31 | rwhitby | (that rewrites history, and causes everyone's clones to break) |
| 04:13.20 | Zuchmir2 | how do i rebase |
| 04:13.44 | Zuchmir2 | clone, copy modified files, then push? |
| 04:13.49 | destinal | rwhitby: the encounter could create a time paradox, the result of which could cause a chain reaction that would unravel the very fabric of the space-time continuum and destroy the entire universe! Granted that's a worst case scenario. The destruction might in fact be very localized, limited to merely our own galaxy. |
| 04:14.01 | rwhitby | Zuchmir2: yeah, that's the easiest |
| 04:14.14 | Zuchmir2 | ok |
| 04:14.41 | rwhitby | otherwise you need to learn merge in git, and I haven't mastered that yet |
| 04:15.02 | seige | ah who needs this galaxy, there are so many more |
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| 04:24.29 | lmorchard | Anyone happen to know what novaterm -d {??} expects? Tried {tcp,usb} but neither works for me |
| 04:25.27 | lmorchard | (where not working means "unable to find device" error when I have both emu running and device plugged in, and I'm trying to select the emu) |
| 04:26.48 | Zuchmir2 | ok, bh just pushed the updates! |
| 04:27.54 | Zuchmir2 | it's now giving 56 lines, although the Spawn_Stty() still thinks it's 40x40 |
| 04:30.31 | destinal | Zuchmir2: cool, will pull |
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| 04:33.43 | Zuchmir2 | ok, just fixed a typo, and pushed again |
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| 04:37.20 | destinal | Zuchmir2: ok builds cleanly |
| 04:37.22 | destinal | testing |
| 04:40.35 | destinal | Zuchmir2: are you on windows? |
| 04:41.33 | destinal | doh, bug |
| 04:41.34 | Zuchmir2 | yeah, i use devstudio for editiing |
| 04:41.48 | destinal | Zuchmir2: anyway you can dos2unix before commit? |
| 04:42.04 | Zuchmir2 | ok |
| 04:42.04 | destinal | CRLF = evil |
| 04:42.13 | destinal | :) |
| 04:42.25 | destinal | got your code working, found a problem when flicking |
| 04:42.49 | destinal | not sure if it's yours or from before |
| 04:43.00 | Zuchmir2 | ok, didn't test that :-( |
| 04:43.04 | destinal | try flicking the window downward |
| 04:43.09 | destinal | the top will duplicate |
| 04:43.20 | destinal | oh wait |
| 04:43.29 | destinal | maybe it's just pen clicking at all |
| 04:43.43 | destinal | every time I click the screen I get a permission denied message |
| 04:43.56 | destinal | diskcache:permission denied |
| 04:44.19 | CIA-79 | bzhou * r10485 optware/trunk/make/py-mercurial.mk: py-mercurial: 1.3 -> 1.3.1 |
| 04:44.27 | destinal | and its gone now |
| 04:44.29 | destinal | bizarre |
| 04:44.32 | Zuchmir2 | i'm seeing ** Message: Card Window Manager defocused .... /bin/sh: /bin: not found |
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| 04:44.58 | destinal | seems to be fine for me |
| 04:44.59 | destinal | nevermind |
| 04:45.21 | destinal | Zuchmir2: looks like you fixed some very nasty drawing problems |
| 04:45.30 | destinal | or mrvc did |
| 04:45.37 | mrvc | I fixed some drawing problems a bit ago |
| 04:45.48 | Zuchmir2 | did not yet do the scrolling, had to get the font layer adjusted, so i can resize etc. |
| 04:46.01 | destinal | so you can resize? |
| 04:46.07 | destinal | I mean, it works? |
| 04:46.17 | Zuchmir2 | in theory .... |
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| 04:46.54 | Zuchmir2 | in fact the resize is called each NPP_SetWindow() - which is the wrong place, with the screen dimensions |
| 04:47.08 | destinal | Zuchmir2: I think setwindow is bogus |
| 04:47.14 | destinal | I think it sets the same static values every time |
| 04:47.19 | Eguy | cheeky bastards they removed the roam only patch in 1.1 |
| 04:47.23 | Zuchmir2 | but after the 1st resize, it doesn't have to, as it's the same size again and again |
| 04:47.38 | destinal | look at the webcore code to see what I mean |
| 04:47.46 | destinal | there are // FIXME's next to palm's code |
| 04:48.11 | destinal | every time, it basically sends 320x480,32bpp |
| 04:48.14 | destinal | regardless of what's going on |
| 04:49.01 | mrvc | yeah, that doesn't make sense to me, since we set the plugin size in the term-assistant.js |
| 04:49.06 | mrvc | how would it change? |
| 04:49.22 | destinal | mrvc: Zuchmir2's got code to change it from inside the plugin |
| 04:49.35 | james_ | anyone know if the "RocknRollHax" for e-mail can be enabled by deleting a few lines like the add/remove launcher page script? |
| 04:49.43 | Zuchmir2 | yeah, and in setWindow it's reflected |
| 04:49.58 | destinal | Zuchmir2: ok, so I guess I was wrong about the static values? |
| 04:50.18 | destinal | they exist in the code but there may be multiple places it gets set |
| 04:50.19 | Eguy | Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo roam only does not work anymore |
| 04:50.31 | Eguy | this is a major fail |
| 04:50.37 | destinal | Eguy: so hack it |
| 04:50.45 | Eguy | I just tried |
| 04:50.47 | destinal | figure out what was using it and change it |
| 04:50.48 | Eguy | didn't work |
| 04:50.52 | destinal | go lower |
| 04:50.59 | Eguy | that's what she said |
| 04:51.03 | destinal | lol |
| 04:51.08 | Zuchmir2 | have a look at the basicplugin output to see i think the value changes after setSize |
| 04:51.20 | Eguy | argh I just undid dev mode |
| 04:53.25 | mrvc | our formatting styles a very different, this could be tricky |
| 04:53.25 | destinal | mrvc: freetype seems to be great for getting glyph images from a font file, I just need to learn how to use it |
| 04:54.07 | CIA-79 | bzhou * r10486 optware/trunk/make/py-quixote.mk: py-quixote: 2.5 -> 2.6, py2[45] -> py2[56] |
| 04:54.32 | destinal | mrvc: there definitely need to be some standards |
| 04:54.41 | destinal | for formatting code |
| 04:56.56 | SirWill | Quilt, I'm trying to remove all patches before 1.1 but it's giving me errors. |
| 04:57.01 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: are you trying to get it where it handles switching to landscape? |
| 04:59.32 | Zuchmir2 | no, don't know ehere that comes in, but i guess setwindow would inform the prog |
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| 05:00.30 | Zuchmir2 | i would guess the direction is handled by the os, and the co-oridnates 0,0 are always top-left relative to what the user sees |
| 05:02.07 | destinal | Zuchmir2, mrvc: so why does stty still think 40,40? |
| 05:02.44 | mrvc | the ioctl has to be sent to change the window size |
| 05:03.16 | Zuchmir2 | because i didn't adjust, i assume i need a Spawn_Stty_Resize() |
| 05:03.21 | HattCzech | AGH! palm broke my character counter... |
| 05:03.25 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: yep |
| 05:04.18 | Zuchmir2 | oh, look like Spawn_Stty() would do it |
| 05:05.47 | Zuchmir2 | is there's a prob doing that after Spawn_Exec()? |
| 05:06.30 | mrvc | no, should be fine |
| 05:06.34 | mrvc | where does the debug output go? |
| 05:09.11 | Zuchmir2 | if it's not on stderr, you got my first commit which sends it to: /tmp/termPluginOutput.log |
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| 05:10.39 | mrvc | it looks like it is supposed to go to stderr |
| 05:10.55 | mrvc | but I only get it initially, then it stops |
| 05:11.08 | mrvc | and I'm getting some debug output sent to the terminal |
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| 05:11.42 | Zuchmir2 | hmm, dunno about that stuff, didn't touch that stuff |
| 05:12.32 | destinal | yeah, gone for me too |
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| 05:14.02 | mrvc | oh, it is closing stderr |
| 05:14.23 | destinal | and do we need |
| 05:14.28 | destinal | termplugin.cpp: FILE *out = stderr; |
| 05:14.32 | destinal | it could be conflicting |
| 05:14.57 | destinal | I don't think we can hold it open and fprintf to it at once |
| 05:15.11 | Zuchmir2 | ouch, i fclose() |
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| 05:15.39 | mrvc | yeah, if I comment out the fclose it is good |
| 05:16.01 | destinal | mrvc: can you push that, I know it's minor but may as well |
| 05:16.22 | destinal | or just remove the line and push |
| 05:16.45 | paz00kie | hey all..quick ? im about to exchange my pre (yet again) but really dont want to reset up how many launcher pages i have/order/bookmark kauncher isoncs ive created using an image and inserted the url...can i back this up (is it stored in files i can grab off the device via ssh? |
| 05:17.17 | mrvc | ok |
| 05:17.17 | paz00kie | re setup* |
| 05:17.26 | destinal | paz00kie: I don't know |
| 05:17.40 | Zuchmir2 | i'm about to push a few more minor changes |
| 05:17.45 | mrvc | pushed |
| 05:17.48 | destinal | paz00kie: I don't think anyone has researched it.. if you do, you could post to the wiki and hel pthe next person |
| 05:18.00 | Zuchmir2 | what do i do, pull |
| 05:18.02 | destinal | ok, then both of you should be able to pull, I'd hope |
| 05:18.07 | destinal | since the changes shouldn't overlap |
| 05:18.16 | paz00kie | im asuming it would be in usr/lib/luna/system somewhere but i looked and couldnt find but didnt look very thouroughly..figured someone here would know |
| 05:18.46 | destinal | paz00kie: You can search the wiki but I've never heard of it and i've heard of most of the major techniques |
| 05:18.51 | paz00kie | slright..off to walmart..will investigate later |
| 05:18.59 | Zuchmir2 | error: Entry 'termplugin/fontinfo.cpp' not uptodate. Cannot merge. |
| 05:19.01 | paz00kie | yah thats why im here lol |
| 05:19.07 | Zuchmir2 | did u only mod that line? |
| 05:19.09 | paz00kie | i posted on the forums and got nothin |
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| 05:19.16 | destinal | gah, git sucks |
| 05:19.31 | paz00kie | be back |
| 05:19.31 | destinal | I'm thinking of going svn just from all these headaches |
| 05:19.34 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: you need to commit your changes first |
| 05:19.44 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: then when you pull it will merge |
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| 05:20.20 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: I find that a bit odd, coming from cvs |
| 05:21.11 | destinal | mrvc: this is my first project with git, I have used subversion in the past and never seen issues like this. now maybe one or more of us is using it wrong |
| 05:21.31 | destinal | but it shouldn't be this ahrd |
| 05:21.32 | destinal | hard |
| 05:21.42 | mrvc | destinal: it is very different |
| 05:22.02 | mrvc | destinal: I think it is a better way to go, but it takes getting used to new concepts |
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| 05:25.11 | Zuchmir2 | Auto-merged termplugin/fontinfo.hpp |
| 05:25.12 | Zuchmir2 | CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in termplugin/fontinfo.hpp |
| 05:25.12 | Zuchmir2 | Auto-merged termplugin/termplugin.cpp |
| 05:25.12 | Zuchmir2 | CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in termplugin/termplugin.cpp |
| 05:25.12 | Zuchmir2 | Automatic merge failed; fix conflicts and then commit the result. |
| 05:25.25 | Zuchmir2 | ... does that mean another manual merge? |
| 05:25.38 | rwhitby | same thing would happen in svn, right? two people working on the same piece of code. |
| 05:26.06 | rwhitby | Zuchmir2: I think it gives conflict markers just like svn update conflicts |
| 05:27.30 | destinal | rwhitby: so far we seem to be seeing a lot more than I'm used to |
| 05:27.50 | destinal | svn operates very granularly so unless changes actually overlap it should merge |
| 05:28.04 | rwhitby | destinal: git does the same I believe |
| 05:28.06 | destinal | ie just same file isn't enough to cause a problem |
| 05:28.16 | rwhitby | same three way merge with ancestor |
| 05:28.16 | destinal | I would assume git as well but.. |
| 05:28.53 | mrvc | destinal: I'm pretty sure we modified a couple of the same lines |
| 05:29.02 | destinal | mrvc: ok, well there's no help for that |
| 05:29.03 | mrvc | but it should have conflict markers |
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| 05:29.57 | xTKxhom3r | anyone in here? |
| 05:30.12 | mrvc | destinal, Zuchmir2: so, I want to support multiple instances |
| 05:30.21 | mrvc | any idea how that works? |
| 05:31.12 | mrvc | right now, if you minimize the card, and start term again, it just brings back the original card instead of opening a new one |
| 05:31.20 | SirWill | rwhitby: you might want to update the quilt instructions to mention you need to go to read/write on the pre before you can pop the patches. ;) |
| 05:31.39 | destinal | mrvc: that's a property in moj, I think |
| 05:31.41 | rwhitby | SirWill: go for it - you can edit the page. |
| 05:31.45 | destinal | mojo |
| 05:32.03 | xTKxhom3r | quick question you guys.... |
| 05:32.30 | Zuchmir2 | so what do i put in those modified files? |
| 05:32.40 | Zuchmir2 | i choose which one i want? |
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| 05:33.15 | xTKxhom3r | when i try to run the novaproxy.py file i keep getting a novacomd is not running... iv rooted into the pre with my desktop no problem and now on my laptop im having problems... |
| 05:33.32 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: yeah |
| 05:33.45 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: you just modify the code to be how you want it |
| 05:35.53 | xTKxhom3r | any idea? |
| 05:39.35 | rwhitby | SirWill: thx for the wiki update |
| 05:39.36 | Zuchmir2 | Changed but not updated: do i have to "add" them again? |
| 05:39.49 | SirWill | Yep. |
| 05:39.51 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: no, just commit -a |
| 05:40.02 | SirWill | discovered that when I went to pop -a tonight. |
| 05:40.15 | rwhitby | Zuchmir2: or git add -u |
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| 05:40.26 | SirWill | downloaded the update, but havn't clicked on install yet. Will probably do that in the morning. Need to head to bed now. |
| 05:40.37 | rwhitby | Zuchmir2: (if you want a second chance to check before you commit) |
| 05:40.40 | Zuchmir2 | the file it want to edit says: |
| 05:40.43 | mrvc | Zuchmir2, destinal: tried landscape mode -- basically works |
| 05:40.44 | Zuchmir2 | Merge branch 'master' of git://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications |
| 05:40.44 | Zuchmir2 | Conflicts: |
| 05:40.44 | Zuchmir2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.44 | Zuchmir2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.05 | trueluck3 | anyone not getting activesync policys, as said, with new update? |
| 05:42.03 | Zuchmir2 | mrvc: great! it changed dimentions? |
| 05:42.03 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: no, just orientation |
| 05:42.04 | tmzt | still 40x40? |
| 05:42.17 | Zuchmir2 | :-( what does setScreen say for width/height? |
| 05:42.46 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: I imagine the javascript code will have to listen for an orientation change event and then resize the plugin |
| 05:42.59 | Zuchmir2 | do i just finish the commit with the message: conflicts (above)? |
| 05:43.04 | destinal | mrvc: he has been able to resize the plugin inside the plugin. odd, I know, but it works |
| 05:43.11 | tmzt | does npapi already provide for that? |
| 05:43.43 | mrvc | destinal: not sure what that means... resize it to what? |
| 05:43.57 | destinal | set width and height values on the embed |
| 05:43.58 | Zuchmir2 | all it takes is termPlugin.width = newwidth, in the JS |
| 05:45.41 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: right, I expect it would be done in the JS code, not in the plugin |
| 05:45.50 | tmzt | does Palm use setAttribute or dom0 stuff? |
| 05:47.30 | CIA-79 | bzhou * r10487 optware/trunk/sources/kernel-modules/kirkwood/ (Makefile defconfig): sheevaplug kernel: 2.6.30.1 -> 2.6.30.2 |
| 05:47.52 | Zuchmir2 | ok, just pushed the updated version with Spawn_Stty() to fix the width |
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| 05:48.36 | Zuchmir2 | it's gonna habe to be done by the plugin is scrolling is going to be implemented the native way |
| 05:49.01 | Zuchmir2 | ie, when user presses "enter" gonna want to "add" to the screen height |
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| 05:49.27 | destinal | Zuchmir2: but do we have to forse a scroll down also, and how? |
| 05:51.26 | mrvc | destinal, Zuchmir2: I've seen some calls to scrollTo in some of the apps |
| 05:51.52 | tmzt | why does this one need that? |
| 05:52.00 | tmzt | you aren't scrolling the html page |
| 05:52.13 | tmzt | wait |
| 05:52.20 | destinal | Zuchmir2: uh, wrong, I now have 60 cols 40 rows |
| 05:52.20 | tmzt | is this the ajax one? |
| 05:52.35 | destinal | tmzt: no, graphics, they're just expanding the view window |
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| 05:52.45 | mrvc | but ultimately, to be correct, I think the scrollback would have to be handled by the plugin |
| 05:52.51 | destinal | Zuchmir2: in portrait mode |
| 05:52.56 | destinal | mrvc: I agree |
| 05:53.03 | destinal | it really should be native |
| 05:53.06 | tmzt | yeah |
| 05:53.48 | tmzt | and you probably need to force the update only on the changed part of the screen and scroll the rest with an accel function, though I guess pixmap is fast enough for now |
| 05:54.10 | tmzt | just saying it's best to design the code for that functionality to be added |
| 05:54.24 | Zuchmir2 | what's the debug output of resizeToPixels()? |
| 05:54.25 | destinal | mrvc: actually, when you think about it, the browser window gets really large |
| 05:54.35 | destinal | you can scroll very long text files in it |
| 05:54.39 | tmzt | actually, you want to do that now even when rendering to pixmap |
| 05:55.04 | tmzt | I think this will break curses completely |
| 05:55.04 | tmzt | 12:10 < k4r1m_> when i ever i try mv /sdcard/userinit.sh /system/sd/ i get a failed on '/sdcard/userinit.sh' - Cross-device link |
| 05:55.05 | destinal | not sure if that's done transparently natively or done by luna |
| 05:55.08 | tmzt | sorry |
| 05:55.17 | christefano3 | is anyone getting self-signed certificates to work with the mail program? |
| 05:55.28 | Zuchmir2 | the idea is, to expand the "viewport" to accomodate how many lines in the scroll buffer, so the suer can flick up/down |
| 05:56.01 | christefano3 | with the 1.1 update, I mean. (is anyone getting self-signed certificates to work with the mail program?) |
| 05:56.02 | destinal | yeah, I do think that should work actually, although graphics takes more memory than text as a buffer |
| 05:56.12 | Zuchmir2 | think of it this way, the only memory consumption is, the amount of text in the scroll back buffer |
| 05:56.29 | destinal | well stored as pixels |
| 05:56.36 | Zuchmir2 | you don't buffer images, u buffer text |
| 05:56.39 | tmzt | you can't handle gestures as events? |
| 05:56.40 | destinal | oh |
| 05:56.46 | tmzt | you have to use the browser for that |
| 05:56.47 | destinal | Zuchmir2: ok, I think I get it then |
| 05:57.04 | destinal | Zuchmir2: using the buffer locations you rerender from scrollback to video |
| 05:57.12 | Zuchmir2 | i have it formulated in my mind how to do it |
| 05:57.18 | tmzt | right, but rerendering the enter screen when a linefeed comes is going to be slow |
| 05:57.23 | destinal | just one really long virtual port |
| 05:57.32 | Zuchmir2 | the os tells you which "line" it's upto, and you simply draw that area |
| 05:57.42 | destinal | right, ok |
| 05:58.00 | Zuchmir2 | tmzt: every time you press a button the entire screen is being redrawn! |
| 05:58.09 | destinal | it's fast so far |
| 05:58.17 | tmzt | what happens if it goes to a fractional offset? |
| 05:58.22 | christefano3 | I've imported my server's root certificate with the Certificate Manager and I keep getting the "Unable to validate incoming mail server settings" error. |
| 05:58.33 | christefano3 | has anyone had the same problem? |
| 05:58.33 | tmzt | or not fractional, but not divisble by line height |
| 05:58.39 | destinal | christefano3: check the logs |
| 05:58.56 | destinal | christefano3: someone had this problem some weeks ago and reported it if I recall correctly |
| 05:59.09 | christefano3 | destinal: where are the logs? |
| 05:59.10 | destinal | don't know if Palm is looking into it or not |
| 05:59.20 | destinal | christefano3: topic |
| 05:59.28 | christefano3 | destinal: right, thanks |
| 05:59.31 | Zuchmir2 | destinal: what was the debug output of resizeToPixels(), when it's 40x60? |
| 05:59.42 | mrvc | destinal, Zuchmir2: ok orientation switching is working |
| 05:59.51 | destinal | Zuchmir2: I think you're setting colums and rows backwards |
| 05:59.53 | destinal | in stty |
| 05:59.59 | Zuchmir2 | oh, i changed the .JS as well to reflect 452 as the height for now |
| 06:00.10 | destinal | it should be 40x60 not 60x40 |
| 06:00.17 | christefano3 | destinal: the 1.1 update release notes say that the update adds support for self-signed certificates, but I haven't seen any change |
| 06:00.52 | destinal | christefano3: interesting -- I haven't tried, sorry |
| 06:01.10 | destinal | but that does sound like their fix doesn't work as expected |
| 06:01.40 | christefano3 | destinal: yup, seems that way :( |
| 06:01.54 | christefano3 | destinal: I'll check the logs once I find where they are |
| 06:01.56 | destinal | 2009-07-23 23:01:551013term: pbuf:0xb5ad1540 |
| 06:01.56 | destinal | 2009-07-23 23:01:551021term: width:40, height:60 |
| 06:02.22 | destinal | stty -a says rows 40 columns 60 |
| 06:02.28 | destinal | so it's reversed |
| 06:04.33 | mrvc | I pushed the landscape changes |
| 06:04.50 | destinal | mrvc: does it fix row / col reversal? |
| 06:05.22 | destinal | no, does not |
| 06:05.31 | destinal | I'll find it |
| 06:06.59 | mrvc | yeah, Spawn_Stty takes rows and cols, not width and height |
| 06:07.55 | Zuchmir2 | ok, i followed the code in the Spawn_Stty(), and there it was ok as it was 40x40, lemme |
| 06:08.10 | Zuchmir2 | i've fixed that, i'll commit |
| 06:10.09 | rwhitby | X1011: please keep the Accessing Linux link in the sidebar. even though users may only use it once, us new-user-helpers need to refer to it often. |
| 06:10.58 | destinal | Zuchmir2: no good |
| 06:11.10 | destinal | rows=40, columns=60 still in portrait |
| 06:11.33 | destinal | should be rows=60 cols=40 |
| 06:11.36 | Zuchmir2 | just commited, also update the JS, mrvc changed that as well |
| 06:12.55 | Zuchmir2 | btw how do u type in landscape mode :-) |
| 06:13.11 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: I don't! |
| 06:13.20 | mrvc | but it is handy to view the output of top |
| 06:13.27 | Zuchmir2 | the rotation also "looses" the columns |
| 06:14.13 | Zuchmir2 | ie type cat file, durring landscape, then rotate to portrait, everything past column 40 is gone |
| 06:14.27 | destinal | lol re: scary black screen |
| 06:14.49 | destinal | guess i was using old js |
| 06:14.51 | destinal | all is well now |
| 06:15.16 | Zuchmir2 | ok, now got to get down to the scrolling fun |
| 06:15.51 | destinal | mrvc: implemented any arrow key stuff yet? |
| 06:16.04 | mrvc | destinal: no, good point |
| 06:16.23 | X1011 | rwhitby: are the majority of the wiki's users new-user-helpers? couldn't you just bookmark it or something? |
| 06:16.33 | Zuchmir2 | mrvc: can you please doule check the new()/delete that i've added, as well as look into mutex arund the flip orientation |
| 06:17.03 | rwhitby | X1011: the other thing is that getting access to Linux is a lot about what webos-internals is all about, so it should hold a pride of place in the sidebar |
| 06:17.31 | rwhitby | X1011: I fully agree with all your other sidebar proposed changes |
| 06:17.45 | X1011 | rwhitby: well it is still on the main page, i think more people look there than the sidebar |
| 06:18.43 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: the new/delete of the fontinfo? |
| 06:19.20 | Zuchmir2 | yes |
| 06:19.59 | Zuchmir2 | and CharBuffer::resize |
| 06:21.09 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: the new/delete looks fine |
| 06:22.28 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: doesn't seem like any mutex is necessary in NPP_SetWindow |
| 06:22.56 | mrvc | the mutex is just there to support pthread conditions |
| 06:23.33 | mrvc | which are necessary to make the reading thread wait until the drawing is complete |
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| 06:24.19 | mrvc | destinal: what did we decide for arrow keys? |
| 06:24.44 | Zuchmir2 | what readin thread? |
| 06:24.45 | mrvc | destinal: gesture-area-hold and 2/4/6/8 was one option |
| 06:25.09 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: there is a thread that waits for data from the master pty and when it gets it forces a redraw |
| 06:25.24 | Zuchmir2 | oh, ok |
| 06:25.58 | Zuchmir2 | but that thread could be called durring rotation |
| 06:26.07 | destinal | mrvc: why not symbol + 2/4/6/8 , or does symbol-hold not hold? |
| 06:26.22 | Zuchmir2 | which does a resize / which alloc/frees stuff |
| 06:26.42 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: yeah, but all the NPP calls are done in the same thread, so it can't switch orientation while it is redrawing |
| 06:26.46 | destinal | er nevermind symbol is control and we don't want to confuse things |
| 06:27.24 | Zuchmir2 | but it can swicth orientartion and the key reading function is stoing the key in the wrng buffer |
| 06:28.09 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: the reading thread doesn't actually read, it just waits in a select |
| 06:28.25 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: the reading is actually done during the draw |
| 06:30.12 | Zuchmir2 | if user presses an 'A' durring rotation, where does the 'A' go? it goes to the tty and end of story? |
| 06:32.16 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: the A stays in the operating system's buffer until the draw reads it out |
| 06:32.27 | mrvc | well, not even that |
| 06:32.55 | mrvc | if it is a keypress, the keypress event won't get processed until the orientation change is done |
| 06:33.32 | mrvc | then the JS code will send the key to the plugin through a function call |
| 06:33.39 | mrvc | that function will send it to the master pty |
| 06:33.59 | Zuchmir2 | aha, ok so i guess it is thread safe |
| 06:34.01 | mrvc | the character will shortly come back |
| 06:34.21 | mrvc | the reading thread will see new data, and force a redraw, etc. |
| 06:34.35 | Zuchmir2 | ok |
| 06:35.22 | Zuchmir2 | trying to figure out what is the best way to deal with losing data past col 40 when orientation chages... |
| 06:35.26 | Eguy | I can't believe there is more activity in the watercooler than in here... official win! |
| 06:35.30 | Eguy | haha! |
| 06:35.31 | christefano3 | destinal: where did you say the mail logs are? I followed http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/SSL_Certificate_Authorities to the letter and I'm still getting the same error |
| 06:35.39 | Eguy | ok back to work |
| 06:35.42 | Zuchmir2 | do we just use max(width, _width)? |
| 06:35.46 | christefano3 | destinal: I'm happy to check the mail logs but I don't know where they are |
| 06:35.56 | Zuchmir2 | ... in CharBuffer::resize() |
| 06:36.31 | Firefishe | is Pre slated for a video camera upgrade in the future? |
| 06:36.52 | destinal | christefano3: check here |
| 06:36.53 | destinal | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Decrypt_SSL_(trusted_man-in-the-middle_technique) |
| 06:37.17 | destinal | I wrote an article on how to MITM your own SSL connections to trace palm updates, and it includes adding a cert |
| 06:37.22 | Zuchmir2 | ... and store a currentWidth which is returned by width() |
| 06:37.25 | destinal | I know this works at least |
| 06:37.49 | christefano3 | destinal: I added my server's root certificate to /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt and rebooted. no effect |
| 06:38.10 | destinal | the CA cert's there? |
| 06:38.22 | destinal | the format is odd |
| 06:38.24 | Eguy | Video recording by the end of the yes, yes |
| 06:38.31 | destinal | notice my openssl x509 -in ca_cert.pem -text -noout|grep Subject:|sed 's/.*Subject: /subject= \//;s/, /\//g' >> $CERTSTORE |
| 06:38.43 | christefano3 | destinal: allrighty I'll give that a go |
| 06:38.45 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: looks like you are trying to preserve the characters that are common between the new and old sizes, which would be min() like you have it |
| 06:38.48 | Eguy | wtf did I just write |
| 06:39.27 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: there is a problem in FontVal. I think you assumed that one of those 8s was the char width |
| 06:39.37 | destinal | christefano3: go through the whole part of the wiki article I linked |
| 06:39.41 | destinal | it's a bit more than I just pasted |
| 06:39.45 | mrvc | Zuchmir2: when it is actually the number of characters per row in the xpm |
| 06:39.51 | destinal | under Make the pre trust your CA certificate |
| 06:40.11 | Zuchmir2 | yeah rows, is font_height |
| 06:40.36 | Zuchmir2 | oh, i see what u mean... |
| 06:40.45 | Zuchmir2 | good point |
| 06:40.55 | christefano3 | destinal: will do |
| 06:41.44 | christefano3 | destinal: can I skip to the "Make the pre trust your CA certificate" step? |
| 06:41.52 | destinal | yes |
| 06:42.26 | christefano3 | destinal: right-o, thanks |
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| 06:42.38 | destinal | christefano3: so this is not your server's certificate but the certificate of your company's CA certificate that signed the server cert, correct? |
| 06:43.05 | destinal | ie an internal CA |
| 06:43.06 | christefano3 | this is the certificate that my server uses to sign its own certificates |
| 06:43.11 | destinal | ok cool |
| 06:43.35 | christefano3 | destinal: I got it by exporting the certificate when Thunderbird and Firefox freak out |
| 06:43.44 | destinal | :) yeah, that works |
| 06:43.53 | christefano3 | destinal: okay, here goes nothing :) |
| 06:44.17 | christefano3 | the 1.1 update seems to have prevented the SSH sessions from disconnecting when the screen goes off. nice |
| 06:47.53 | christefano3 | it seems to have added my root certificate to the ca-certificates.crt file again |
| 06:48.08 | destinal | yes |
| 06:48.18 | destinal | it just looks different and the difference may be important |
| 06:48.38 | destinal | I formatted my sed script carefully to make the lines look like what palm already had in there. |
| 06:48.40 | destinal | it may not matter |
| 06:48.45 | destinal | but at least I know it has worked |
| 06:48.52 | destinal | (since I sniffed the service trace) |
| 06:48.59 | christefano3 | I don't know if it matters but I'm rebooting the Pre |
| 06:49.52 | Zuchmir2 | ok, the glyps per line can be fixed |
| 06:49.58 | Zuchmir2 | glyphs |
| 06:50.53 | destinal | Zuchmir2: did you push anything? I'm not sure if what you just said means you changed something or now |
| 06:50.54 | destinal | not |
| 06:53.23 | rwhitby | will try and set up gitosis and CIA reporting over the weekend ... |
| 06:53.50 | christefano3 | same error, destinal. |
| 06:54.29 | christefano3 | destinal: it looks like my server's root certificate needs to be replaced with a "legit" one :( |
| 06:55.29 | christefano3 | damn this sucks. |
| 06:56.19 | destinal | christefano3: I've used this method for the update service |
| 06:56.26 | destinal | with a self signed CA cert |
| 06:56.36 | destinal | so I don't understand what's wrong |
| 06:56.42 | christefano | yeah, neither do I |
| 06:57.10 | Zuchmir2 | not yet, i'm about to |
| 06:57.10 | christefano | the mail program is worthless to meif it can't deal with self-signed certificates |
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| 07:01.12 | scyrus | I got a quick question - when you go into phone prefs and do a prl update, do the service bars completely disappear for a second and then come back. -for clarification, I'm talking about the icon completely being gone from the top right |
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| 07:07.38 | destinal | christefano: well it wouldn't be dealing with a self signed cert |
| 07:07.46 | destinal | your cert is CA signed as good as any verisign makes |
| 07:07.56 | destinal | your OS just has to trust your CA's / root cert |
| 07:08.05 | destinal | which is what my lines should have given you |
| 07:09.13 | christefano | destinal: right, I understand |
| 07:09.34 | destinal | self signed server certs have no signer cert so whole different thing |
| 07:09.50 | destinal | christefano: is this mail server you have publically accessible? |
| 07:10.11 | destinal | ie can I connect to it to look at its presented cert chain? |
| 07:10.16 | christefano | destinal: don't self-signed certificates have themselves as the signer? |
| 07:10.18 | christefano | destinal: yes, it's at tachyon.spaceti.me |
| 07:10.56 | destinal | christefano: yes, but that's different from ones being signed be a second (CA) cert which is what i think we're doing |
| 07:11.25 | destinal | christefano: is it IMAPS? what port for mail |
| 07:11.34 | christefano | uhmm, I don't understand. if it's signed by a second authority, then it's not self-signed, right? |
| 07:11.55 | christefano | try IMAP on port 143 |
| 07:11.57 | destinal | right, my doc is about having your own CA, signing it |
| 07:12.04 | destinal | then adding the CA to your certificates file |
| 07:12.28 | destinal | the server cert is signed by the ca cert- two different certs there |
| 07:12.36 | destinal | the ca cert is self signed |
| 07:12.50 | destinal | so the chain is CA cert -> server cert |
| 07:13.25 | christefano | ah, I think I got it. my self-signed certificate for a domain is actually not signed by a certificate authority. it's signed by a server certificate that isn't signed by a CA. |
| 07:13.33 | destinal | ah |
| 07:13.40 | destinal | yeah webos will reject that |
| 07:13.53 | destinal | make your own root cert and sign your server cert with it |
| 07:14.00 | destinal | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Decrypt_SSL_(trusted_man-in-the-middle_technique) |
| 07:14.13 | destinal | the script at the beginning sets it all up in one for a sample |
| 07:15.16 | christefano | do I run that script on my server that's running my mail server? |
| 07:15.35 | destinal | sure, whichever server you want to be your certificate authority |
| 07:15.50 | destinal | it just needs openssl |
| 07:16.27 | christefano | weird, I was under the impression that my server (running Virtualmin) was it's own CA signing certificates for all of the domains that it creates |
| 07:16.43 | destinal | no, it's making self signed certs which are different |
| 07:16.47 | destinal | the chain length is 1 |
| 07:18.23 | christefano | hmm. I guess the line about "Support for self-signed certificates with multiple common names" in the 1.1 update release notes is misleading to say the least |
| 07:20.10 | destinal | christefano: right, this is a workaround, nothing more |
| 07:20.49 | christefano | well, it's worth a try. I got this device for mobile email among other things and I'm going to do what I can to make it work |
| 07:22.17 | christefano | destinal: will I need to run the second command as "sh cert.sh tachyon.spaceti.me" or "sh cert.sh xxx" for every domain that my server hosts mail for? |
| 07:23.08 | destinal | ssh cert.sh CN |
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| 07:23.16 | destinal | so whatever the hostname is is the last |
| 07:25.40 | destinal | christefano: as a bonus having a CA certificate will protect you from actual man in the middle attacks whereas an attacker could spoof your self-signed ones |
| 07:26.16 | destinal | christefano: you're deliberately using IMAP over SSL for security? |
| 07:26.25 | destinal | because you have a regular IMAP port too |
| 07:28.13 | christefano | destinal: yes, IMAP and TLS for security |
| 07:28.49 | destinal | ok, so yeah, you'd want your own CA to help security, anyone can make a self signed cert that looks similar to yours, but nobody can make your CA's private key |
| 07:29.11 | christefano | hmm, that's interesting. I hadn't heard of that before |
| 07:29.22 | christefano | you're a fount of information! |
| 07:29.40 | destinal | christefano: thanks. I do security for a living so it's my thing, as it were :) |
| 07:30.16 | christefano | we all need it |
| 07:30.18 | christefano | and yet not all of us can understand it |
| 07:30.54 | christefano | and even fewer of us want to |
| 07:31.01 | destinal | yeah, well, some products have nice point and click CA's, microsoft for instance, but not everyone wants to pay for that either |
| 07:31.13 | destinal | or sometimes one prefers not to do things their way |
| 07:32.18 | destinal | if you want to learn about setting up an SSL ca with openssl, there's lots of good information, this is just the bare minimum to get things working.. once you know it works you can always fine tune |
| 07:32.33 | destinal | or just edit the names in the scripts that my article has you get |
| 07:32.34 | christefano | sounds good |
| 07:33.35 | destinal | christefano: wait, something just rang a bell in my mind |
| 07:33.52 | destinal | Jamie Zawinski is the one who had the same problem you did, and he got it working |
| 07:33.54 | destinal | http://jwz.livejournal.com/1055120.html |
| 07:33.57 | christefano | I ran the script on my server, downloaded the sslcerts folder to my local machine, combined the pems to one file and imported it to the Pre |
| 07:34.06 | destinal | so if you want self-signed, that might be the ticket |
| 07:34.11 | christefano | yahoo! |
| 07:34.21 | destinal | no idea what jarred that one loose |
| 07:35.18 | christefano | I'll check that out |
| 07:35.31 | james_ | will the webOS 1.1.0 update erase my custom icon.png for phone and my .js edits in the add/delete page launcher? |
| 07:35.49 | destinal | someday you may want openssl CA of your own to improve security, but that day doesn't have to be today if you just need to get it working |
| 07:35.51 | christefano | I did what the "Decrypt SSL" article laid out for generating a CA and server certificate but the mail program is still freaking out. I guess I'll reboot it |
| 07:36.15 | destinal | christefano: you'd have to copy the certs over to the phone after that |
| 07:36.28 | christefano | destinal: all of the or myhostname.pem? |
| 07:36.29 | destinal | and install them with that procedure that's further down |
| 07:36.33 | christefano | s/the/them |
| 07:36.35 | destinal | the CA one |
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| 07:38.51 | destinal | only the CA one goes in your certs file on the pre, anything signed BY it will just work |
| 07:38.51 | christefano | will the tachyon.pem (created with cat sslcerts/tachyon.spaceti.me-cert.pem sslcerts/private/tachyon.spaceti.me-key.pem) do? |
| 07:38.52 | destinal | christefano: no thats for the server |
| 07:38.52 | christefano | destinal: ahh, I need to regenerate all of my domain certificates using this new CA certificate, don't I |
| 07:38.53 | jauderho | anyone still running 1.0.4 by any chance? |
| 07:38.53 | destinal | right |
| 07:38.59 | destinal | but the tacyon.pem IS one |
| 07:39.01 | destinal | a domain cert |
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| 07:39.08 | destinal | the SSL CA cert is a different one |
| 07:39.30 | destinal | it's sslcerts/ca_cert.pem |
| 07:39.34 | destinal | on the server |
| 07:39.46 | destinal | copy sslcerts/ca_cert.pem from the server to your pre |
| 07:40.04 | destinal | then run the commands to add it to /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt in the correct format |
| 07:40.21 | jauderho | gaks CAs make my head hurt =) running away |
| 07:40.28 | destinal | (again, you don't have to do this if you just want to use the selfsigned certs you have now, you could just go to Jamie's fix) |
| 07:41.00 | christefano | destinal: I'll check out Jamie's fix in a sec. it sounds like I need my server to be its own CA anyway |
| 07:41.17 | christefano | jauderho: it helps to go through the pain :) |
| 07:41.30 | jauderho | not if I can avoid it =) |
| 07:44.02 | christefano | okay, ca_cert.pem is on the Pre. now I need to regenerate all of my domain certificates |
| 07:44.12 | destinal | christefano: well you already generated one |
| 07:44.21 | destinal | that tachyon.pem |
| 07:45.32 | Zuchmir2 | destinal: just pushed those mods |
| 07:45.36 | christefano | destinal: yeah, but tachyon is just the hostname. the server hosts mail for about a dozen different domains |
| 07:45.47 | destinal | ah, ok |
| 07:46.20 | destinal | well you can just keep running the command again for every domain name, at least thats fast. unfortunately, the CA cert you're using may have a generic name if you didn't edit the script |
| 07:46.23 | Zuchmir2 | now when you rotate back/forth it should keep the sttuff |
| 07:46.39 | destinal | I think it says "WebScarab" or something by default |
| 07:46.43 | destinal | Zuchmir2: cool |
| 07:47.44 | Tilton53 | LOL destinal |
| 07:48.00 | Tilton53 | http://jwz.livejournal.com/1055120.html < this missing sync section is awesome |
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| 07:49.46 | destinal | christefano: so it looks like the pre is smart and won't be insecure for using a self signed cert -- it requires you copy it to the device by hand |
| 07:50.14 | destinal | most browsers, where you have to click accept the first time, you have no idea whether it's the real one or not, again, unless you copied it by hand with a secure mechanism |
| 07:50.39 | destinal | a CA cert nicely fixed that problem and means you only have to install the single CA cert instead of all the self signed ones |
| 07:50.46 | destinal | on the client |
| 07:52.57 | destinal | Zuchmir2, mrvc: note that org.webosinternals.term is changing to org.webosinternals.terminal so look out next pull... consensus seemed to be terminal as a name, so there we go. |
| 07:54.10 | mrvc | ok |
| 07:55.32 | christefano | destinal: I actually did that. I've copied the certificate to the Pre by hand and trusted it with the Certificate Manager |
| 07:56.10 | destinal | christefano: ok, so the CA may be the only reasonable way to fix all your problems also.. |
| 07:56.15 | destinal | that's weird that it doesn't accept |
| 07:56.39 | christefano | yeah, looks lke it. I'm trying jwz' fix to see if it works. |
| 07:56.50 | christefano | if it doesn't then I know what I'll need to do |
| 07:57.15 | christefano | didn't work. |
| 07:59.40 | jauderho | ugh |
| 08:00.10 | jauderho | wth does upgrading eclipse mean having to reinstall everything from scratch? ARGH |
| 08:00.16 | christefano | destinal: does the cert.sh script create certificates for domains I specify using the CA certificate that it just generated? |
| 08:00.16 | Zuchmir2 | ok |
| 08:00.57 | james_ | i hate that the phone updates erase all of my edits |
| 08:01.01 | destinal | christefano: yeah, the first time you run it it makes the CA cert AND the server / host cert. but if it detects that it already made the CA cert (it exists) it skips creating it and moves on |
| 08:01.07 | destinal | then makes server / host cert |
| 08:01.48 | destinal | so you can use it once with each hostname and should be good |
| 08:02.01 | christefano | cool, here we go |
| 08:04.30 | destinal | mrvc: btw do we really want Scary Black Screen at the top, or is that meant to be temporary? |
| 08:04.41 | christefano | destinal: do you know off hand where Debian keeps its default CA certificate? |
| 08:06.02 | destinal | -- /etc/ssl/certs probably, why? on debian you can just install it in your client usually depending |
| 08:06.15 | destinal | in firefox it's easy, for instance |
| 08:06.51 | destinal | although that would only be if you used that same client for mail I gues |
| 08:07.01 | christefano | destinal: yes, I thought it was in /etc/ssl/certs but I'm wondering if I should replace one of those (/etc/ssl/certs/ca.pem perhaps?) with the ca_cert.pem that the cert.sh script just generated |
| 08:09.26 | destinal | christefano: that should probably work, just back it up. debian may have some documentation on how to install it for that client |
| 08:09.30 | destinal | did it work on the pre? |
| 08:10.23 | christefano | destinal: oh, wait a sec. I suppose I should have tried importing the ca.pem file on the Pre |
| 08:10.46 | christefano | destinal: is that the root CA certificate that it's been using, do you think? |
| 08:11.07 | destinal | which it? |
| 08:11.29 | christefano | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:11.35 | destinal | there are dozens |
| 08:11.48 | christefano | 254 to be exact :) |
| 08:11.54 | destinal | oh, hundreds, sorry |
| 08:11.59 | rwhitby | destinal: what is the ipkg arch for packages in the Pre? |
| 08:12.10 | destinal | sec |
| 08:12.24 | rwhitby | (not "all", but for binary packages) |
| 08:13.22 | oc80z | yup yup |
| 08:13.37 | mrvc | destinal: I think something probably needs to be at the top to take care of the rounded corners, but it can certainly be somethin else |
| 08:13.52 | rwhitby | destinal: since I'll want to be building the plugin for both Pre and Emulator |
| 08:14.09 | rwhitby | mrvc: term app package has moved in git |
| 08:14.17 | destinal | mrvc: can't we just put a border around it in the plugin? |
| 08:14.38 | destinal | we could certainly just frame it in the scene html or whatever |
| 08:14.43 | destinal | or div tag |
| 08:15.16 | christefano | destinal: okay, I'm copying root.pem, dovecot.pem, ca.pem and ca-certificates.crt to the Pre and will see which one (if any) works |
| 08:15.19 | mrvc | yeah, seems like it would be handled through the scene.html |
| 08:15.39 | destinal | christefano: I think that's horribly wrong, but ok |
| 08:15.59 | mrvc | destinal: I just made another build of the pre .so, want a copy? |
| 08:16.07 | destinal | sure |
| 08:16.15 | christefano | horribly wrong because it still allows for others to spoof my self-signed certificates? |
| 08:16.18 | destinal | I really need to get my arm compiler working |
| 08:16.22 | destinal | christefano: I think it won't work |
| 08:16.50 | destinal | the pre already has a good ca-certificates.crt file you just want to add your new ca cert to the end with the commands on my wiki article |
| 08:17.07 | rwhitby | mrvc: which toolchain and host OS are you using for cross-compilation? |
| 08:17.19 | christefano | is that what the Certificate Manager does or would you manually do it instead? |
| 08:17.23 | rwhitby | mrvc: (so I can replicate it in the preware.org build) |
| 08:17.49 | destinal | christefano: manually with the commands in my wiki article I sent |
| 08:19.09 | destinal | rwhitby: |
| 08:19.10 | destinal | Architecture: armv7 |
| 08:20.11 | rwhitby | and qemux86 for the emulator? |
| 08:20.20 | destinal | i686 for the emulator |
| 08:20.43 | rwhitby | checks the ipkg status file on the emulator .... |
| 08:21.07 | destinal | root@qemux86:/usr/lib/ipkg/info# ipkg status pdfadapter|grep -i arch |
| 08:21.07 | destinal | Architecture: i686 |
| 08:21.14 | rwhitby | sweet - thx |
| 08:22.02 | destinal | ok, have to get sleep |
| 08:22.10 | destinal | will be dead tired in the morning ,alas |
| 08:22.32 | mrvc | destinal: I sent the .so -- it still has the old name though |
| 08:22.51 | rwhitby | mrvc: plugin name hasn't changed has it? |
| 08:22.51 | destinal | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.07 | rwhitby | still x-webosinternals-termplugin ? and termplugin.so ? |
| 08:23.11 | destinal | rwhitby: no, termplugin is fine I suppose |
| 08:23.17 | destinal | hasn't changed |
| 08:23.58 | mrvc | destinal: yep, I'm building on my pre |
| 08:24.02 | destinal | mrvc: only the mojo app is called terminal, termplugin is fine for the plugin as most people won't even see it |
| 08:24.11 | mrvc | destinal: ok |
| 08:24.20 | destinal | call it for hysterical reasons |
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| 08:24.27 | destinal | s/hysterical/historical/ |
| 08:24.38 | jauderho | hysterical LOL =) |
| 08:25.20 | destinal | don't want to break everyone with an existing mojo app or who's working on enhancing the plugin right now |
| 08:25.23 | destinal | for no good reason |
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| 08:25.53 | mrvc | rwhitby: I installed the debian jail, and then installed the compiler and such inside there -- works great |
| 08:26.17 | rwhitby | PRE_DEV_DIR=/pre/optware/cs08q1armel/toolchain/arm-2008q1 ? |
| 08:26.35 | rwhitby | that's the same toolchain as optware, so I'll just use that. |
| 08:26.35 | jauderho | i'll ask again. does someone have the uname -a string from webos 1.0.4? |
| 08:26.50 | jauderho | i'm trying to figure out if the kernel code has changed. |
| 08:27.09 | jauderho | and need to wait for the patches to show up on opensource.palm.com |
| 08:28.48 | oc80z | yea |
| 08:29.26 | oc80z | sorry i just upgraded :/ |
| 08:30.43 | jauderho | doh |
| 08:30.57 | jauderho | I was going to try out the conservative governor |
| 08:31.11 | jauderho | but I guess I'll wait for the new patches to show up |
| 08:31.17 | oc80z | whats that |
| 08:31.36 | jauderho | there are different powersaving governors available on linux |
| 08:31.46 | jauderho | only 2 are compiled into the stock palm kernel |
| 08:31.52 | jauderho | ondemand and userspace |
| 08:32.07 | jauderho | ondemand is pretty aggressive about stepping up to max speed. |
| 08:32.12 | oc80z | whats the binary posted on precentral's forom.. |
| 08:32.26 | jauderho | that's a userspace binary. |
| 08:32.36 | jauderho | i'm talking about inside the kernel |
| 08:32.42 | oc80z | yea |
| 08:33.08 | jauderho | conservative is yet another governor. it slowly works its way up to higher speeds as opposed to ondemand. |
| 08:33.15 | jauderho | I wanted to see if it works better/more stable |
| 08:33.56 | oc80z | yea |
| 08:35.15 | oc80z | ive noticed instability, im eager to test the on eposted out , if i do not see any fried pres |
| 08:36.25 | rwhitby | Packaged contents of i686 into /srv/preware/plugins/termplugin/build/x-webosinternals-termplugin_0.1.1_i686.ipk |
| 08:37.03 | oc80z | score |
| 08:37.03 | cdm | jauderho: You will have some odd side effects if you enable DVFS, just FYI. |
| 08:37.12 | jauderho | dvfs? |
| 08:37.19 | oc80z | that file system |
| 08:37.21 | cdm | dynamic frequency and voltage scaling |
| 08:37.27 | oc80z | :P |
| 08:37.29 | jauderho | ah |
| 08:37.33 | cdm | ie: the CPUFreq goveners |
| 08:38.18 | jauderho | what are you seeing? |
| 08:39.02 | jauderho | hmm just found an interesting message http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-omap@vger.kernel.org/msg11898.html |
| 08:39.05 | cdm | There will issues -- otherwise, it would be turned on by default. |
| 08:40.44 | jauderho | well yeah. |
| 08:41.25 | jauderho | I havent looked at kernel code in 10 years. lots changed =) |
| 08:43.13 | rwhitby | mrvc: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/preware/i686/ |
| 08:43.42 | cdm | it's not so much the kernel proper, but specific drivers and subsystems have some issues. |
| 08:46.20 | rwhitby | waves to cdm and wonders if he's heard the PreCentral interview about webos-internals yet: http://media.libsyn.com/media/treocentral/palmcast68-5.mp3 |
| 08:47.05 | cdm | I have gotten a link to it from a few folks -- not listened yet... |
| 08:47.10 | james_ | night all |
| 08:47.11 | cdm | wayyyy to busy this week!!! |
| 08:47.34 | rwhitby | hopes that's due to doing release preparation for an unlocked GSM device in Australia ... |
| 08:48.00 | rwhitby | cdm: I'll be interested in your feedback, if you're happy to give it. |
| 08:51.42 | jauderho | wgetting the mp3 directly onto the pre makes it stall =) |
| 08:51.48 | jauderho | oops |
| 08:52.01 | jauderho | dang that's a long mp3 |
| 08:54.04 | rwhitby | it's a long interview. |
| 08:54.17 | rwhitby | definitely a bay area commute candidate ... |
| 08:54.27 | jauderho | well downloaded... |
| 08:54.39 | jauderho | I'll play the next time I'm stuck in traffic |
| 08:54.45 | rwhitby | worked in Santa Clara for a year back in 1990. |
| 08:55.03 | jauderho | ah |
| 08:55.32 | rwhitby | the decided .au was a much better place to live :-) |
| 08:55.37 | rwhitby | s/the/then/ |
| 08:55.47 | jauderho | I'm loving the fact that deleting a mail on gmail removes the notification on the pre |
| 08:55.54 | jauderho | I prefer new zealand =) |
| 08:55.59 | jauderho | cooler landscape =) |
| 08:56.20 | rwhitby | jauderho: yes, much more interesting landscape. too many sheep for my liking ;-) |
| 08:56.28 | jauderho | well there's that |
| 08:57.39 | rwhitby | people with an emulator and who know what they are doing should be able to alpha-test the native terminal all from http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/preware/ now ... |
| 08:57.53 | jauderho | does the 1.1 update let the music app remember where the app stopped? |
| 08:58.39 | rwhitby | jauderho: dunno if Palm accepted our MIT licensed bookmark patch or not ... |
| 08:58.54 | jauderho | hmm. |
| 08:58.58 | jauderho | I'll ask next week. |
| 08:59.04 | rwhitby | we licensed it that way specifically so they could just patch it in and run with it ... |
| 08:59.05 | jauderho | going to that palm thing down at palm |
| 08:59.16 | jauderho | I havent even seen that patch yet |
| 09:00.19 | jauderho | the ui really is sucky for the player |
| 09:01.02 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 09:01.04 | jauderho | well the patch was not applied |
| 09:01.09 | jauderho | i'm out too |
| 09:01.34 | jauderho | but btw the javascript did get fixed up |
| 09:01.44 | jauderho | sunspider reports better results on my pre |
| 09:01.55 | jauderho | 30s vs 40s previously |
| 09:17.48 | Zuchmir2 | have the scroll back working with some minor bugs... |
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| 09:35.04 | jauderho | lol it is possible to run the distributed.net client on the pre |
| 09:38.09 | oc80z | hmm |
| 09:38.26 | oc80z | yeah |
| 09:38.41 | oc80z | but you really dont want to do that. |
| 09:38.42 | oc80z | :) |
| 09:39.43 | jauderho | heh |
| 09:39.50 | jauderho | runs at about the speed of a pentium II |
| 09:40.05 | oc80z | yeah |
| 09:40.14 | oc80z | id rather just run it on my quad server for you |
| 09:40.15 | oc80z | :P |
| 09:42.42 | jauderho | hahah. was just doing it for run |
| 09:42.42 | jauderho | what would be funny would be to get this running on all the palm pres... |
| 09:42.42 | jauderho | a pre cluster. lol |
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| 09:52.11 | oc80z | yeah, denial of service our pres |
| 09:52.12 | oc80z | :P |
| 10:15.00 | Zuchmir2 | just uploaded term w/scroll |
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| 10:23.31 | oc80z | ok |
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| 11:21.34 | rwhitby | Zuchmir2: latest version of termplugin and org.webosinternals.terminal uploaded to http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/preware/ |
| 11:22.04 | rwhitby | now to make the terminal package depend on the termplugin ... |
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| 11:25.43 | jcrawford | rwhitby, nice checking out now |
| 11:25.52 | jcrawford | hah nice domain preware :D |
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| 11:26.57 | jcrawford | rwhitby, any instructions on how to install? |
| 11:32.05 | rwhitby | jcrawford: for termplugin, unsure yet. try wget <file> ; ipkg install <file> |
| 11:32.29 | rwhitby | for terminal, try wget <file> ; ipkg -o /var install <file> |
| 11:32.45 | jcrawford | ok will try installing now :) |
| 11:33.20 | rwhitby | my compilation is completely untested on the Pre, so be prepared for it to delete all your data and eat your children. |
| 11:33.40 | jcrawford | oh hell then i wont do it :D |
| 11:33.54 | jcrawford | you tested on what the emulator? |
| 11:34.11 | jcrawford | i don't care about it eating my children but losing data i cannot have lol |
| 11:34.58 | rwhitby | I haven't tested this latest version anywhere yet. In the words of Linus Torvalds: "Testing is for users" |
| 11:36.11 | jcrawford | for the termplugin should i use the -o switch? |
| 11:36.17 | jcrawford | will be a lab rat |
| 11:36.40 | rwhitby | jcrawford: dunno about -o /var for termplugin, since that will install the files under /var/usr/lib/Plugins which is not the right place. |
| 11:36.52 | jcrawford | what is the right place? |
| 11:37.05 | rwhitby | on the other hand, not puttin -o /var will cause ipkg to mess with the built-in ipkg database |
| 11:37.20 | jcrawford | not putting it makes ipkg output a ton of options |
| 11:37.22 | jcrawford | the help ;) |
| 11:37.45 | rwhitby | if you want to manually unpack the .ipkg, you can put the termplugin.so in /usr/lib/Plugins (I think) |
| 11:37.57 | jcrawford | how do you manually unpack? |
| 11:38.02 | jcrawford | this is all new to me heh |
| 11:38.16 | rwhitby | maybe you should wait a bit then :-) |
| 11:38.38 | jcrawford | ok well i have terminal installed, can you tell me how to remove it since i dont have the termplugin installed? |
| 11:38.55 | rwhitby | ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.terminal |
| 11:39.07 | jcrawford | thanks |
| 11:39.17 | rwhitby | ipkg -o /var ... is the same as using palm-install |
| 11:39.48 | jcrawford | cool |
| 11:39.57 | jcrawford | do you have any ss of the terminal client in action? |
| 11:40.08 | jcrawford | my boss and I are waiting for this type of application :) |
| 11:40.13 | en0x | hehe |
| 11:40.18 | en0x | i just installed the terminal thing |
| 11:40.27 | en0x | "Scary Black Screen" |
| 11:40.28 | rwhitby | need to see if I can trick ipkg -o /var by putting a rogue symlink from /usr/lib/Plugins to /var/usr/lib/Plugins |
| 11:40.36 | rwhitby | en0x: does it work? |
| 11:40.43 | jcrawford | notes to rwhitby that he should not ever mention the terminal app if he does not want everyone jumping on him lol |
| 11:40.46 | en0x | it just says scary black screen rwhitby |
| 11:40.56 | rwhitby | en0x: did you install the termplugin? |
| 11:41.01 | en0x | oh no |
| 11:41.15 | en0x | let me do it |
| 11:41.18 | rwhitby | you need that for the functionality, since it's a browser plugin like Classic |
| 11:43.17 | en0x | i still have scary black screen do i need to reboot? |
| 11:44.10 | en0x | well i will reboot |
| 11:45.06 | rwhitby | en0x: you need to confirm the plugin has gone in /usr/lib/Plugins/termplugin.so |
| 11:45.12 | en0x | its there |
| 11:45.13 | rwhitby | if it went in /var/... it won't work. |
| 11:45.31 | en0x | root@castle:/usr/lib/Plugins# ls |
| 11:45.31 | en0x | termplugin.so |
| 11:45.46 | rwhitby | en0x: what command did you use to install it? |
| 11:45.54 | en0x | ipkg install package |
| 11:46.12 | en0x | i dont use ipkg-opt |
| 11:46.40 | rwhitby | that's fine. |
| 11:47.05 | rwhitby | just realise that the termplugin is now registered in palm's built-in ipkg database, instead of the one in /var or the one in /opt |
| 11:47.43 | en0x | even reboot didnt help still scary black screen |
| 11:47.44 | rwhitby | ok, the terminal and termplugin just worked for me on the emulator |
| 11:47.56 | rwhitby | en0x: did you hit return to see if you got a prompt? |
| 11:48.14 | en0x | yap and nada |
| 11:48.40 | rwhitby | ok, my cross-compilation for the Pre must be stuffed then |
| 11:48.48 | rwhitby | anything in any log files? |
| 11:49.45 | rwhitby | en0x: is "file" a valid command on the Pre? |
| 11:49.55 | rwhitby | if so, tell me the output from file termplugin.so |
| 11:51.33 | en0x | i hace to install file wait a sec |
| 11:52.15 | rwhitby | may have to wait for mrvc to see how to debug my cross-compilation of the plugin |
| 11:52.38 | en0x | oot@castle:/usr/lib/Plugins# file termplugin.so |
| 11:52.39 | en0x | termplugin.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, not stripped |
| 11:53.09 | rwhitby | en0x: can you run the same command on one of the other plugins from Palm? |
| 11:53.14 | en0x | sure |
| 11:53.28 | en0x | in /usr/lib/Plugins there is only termplugin.so hmm |
| 11:53.40 | rwhitby | hmm - maybe I have the wrong directory |
| 11:54.03 | en0x | libxtables.so.0.0.0: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, not stripped |
| 11:54.08 | en0x | just an .so |
| 11:54.17 | rwhitby | oops, should be /usr/lib/BrowserPlugins. |
| 11:54.25 | rwhitby | move it over and see if it works then |
| 11:55.07 | en0x | ok |
| 11:56.36 | en0x | work |
| 11:56.38 | en0x | s |
| 11:57.15 | rwhitby | ok, the packages have been updated with the right paths |
| 11:57.42 | rwhitby | no announcement outside this IRC channel yet please |
| 11:57.49 | en0x | ok |
| 11:58.14 | rwhitby | bbiab |
| 11:58.18 | jcrawford | sweet so i can try it? |
| 11:58.23 | jcrawford | goes to do this |
| 11:58.50 | en0x | the font sucks a little |
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| 11:58.59 | en0x | is there a way to use it with the pre font nicer? |
| 11:59.07 | en0x | it looks a little too boldish |
| 11:59.12 | rwhitby | en0x: it's pre-alpha, you don't get to criticise it. be thankful it works at all. |
| 11:59.18 | blau-mikeDG | lol |
| 11:59.28 | en0x | i didnt criticize it |
| 11:59.33 | en0x | :( |
| 11:59.48 | en0x | oh and it even works in landscape :) |
| 12:00.22 | jcrawford | i get this |
| 12:00.23 | jcrawford | Collected errors: |
| 12:00.23 | jcrawford | Cannot find package x-webosinternals-termplugin. |
| 12:00.23 | jcrawford | Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update' |
| 12:01.36 | en0x | did u downloaded it? |
| 12:01.50 | jcrawford | yes |
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| 12:03.09 | jcrawford | http://pastebin.com/m7b901fa1 |
| 12:05.03 | en0x | try ipkg-opt install x--..... |
| 12:05.15 | drnull | jauderho: (1.0.4) uname -a: Linux castle 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 175.1.15 armv7l unknown (not sure if you ever got your answer) |
| 12:05.23 | jcrawford | same error |
| 12:06.06 | en0x | jcrawford: so it looks like the term app is not for u |
| 12:06.07 | en0x | :p |
| 12:06.14 | jcrawford | damnnit |
| 12:06.23 | jcrawford | how is it going to work for you but not me :( |
| 12:06.25 | jcrawford | blows lol |
| 12:06.42 | blau-mikeDG | anyone in jersey and wanna take a party bus to a mets game on aug 1 :) |
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| 12:07.37 | Guest64942 | hi |
| 12:07.46 | Guest64942 | from termapp and irssi |
| 12:07.46 | jcrawford | all i have in my messages log file is this |
| 12:07.50 | jcrawford | 2009-07-24T12:05:04.592926Z [1532] castle local2.notice sudo: jcrawford : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/var/home/jcrawford ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/opt/bin/ipkg install /var/home/jcrawford/x-webosinternals-termplugin_0.1.1_armv7.ipk |
| 12:07.55 | jcrawford | Guest64942, you suck haha |
| 12:08.01 | jcrawford | i want IRC on my pre :( |
| 12:08.08 | en0x2 | hehehe |
| 12:08.13 | jcrawford | kicks u |
| 12:09.35 | jcrawford | is this the correct file/size et? |
| 12:09.36 | jcrawford | -rw-r--r-- 1 jcrawford jcrawford 70K Jul 24 08:01 x-webosinternals-termplugin_0.1.1_armv7.ipk |
| 12:09.56 | en0x | should be |
| 12:10.43 | en0x | 1b4e9b12dfd2f59c518351743928b91b x-webosinternals-termplugin_0.1.1_armv7.ipk |
| 12:10.47 | en0x | thats mine checksum |
| 12:13.28 | jcrawford | how do i check the checksum? |
| 12:14.01 | jcrawford | and did you use the i686 or the other one? |
| 12:14.19 | en0x | other one |
| 12:14.30 | en0x | do /opt/bin/ipkg-opt install x-webosinternals.... |
| 12:17.26 | jcrawford | hmm still same error |
| 12:17.34 | jcrawford | rwhitby, when you updated the paths did you break it? |
| 12:17.52 | jcrawford | http://pastebin.com/m435259e9 |
| 12:18.01 | jcrawford | says it cannot find the file when clearly the file is there |
| 12:18.02 | jcrawford | :( |
| 12:18.06 | jcrawford | guess it is not for me |
| 12:18.23 | en0x | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:18.24 | Rick__ | jcrawford, patience |
| 12:18.24 | en0x | Cannot find package x-webosinternals-termplugin. |
| 12:18.33 | en0x | jcrawford: do : sudo su - |
| 12:18.39 | rwhitby | sudo -i |
| 12:18.44 | en0x | then cd ~jcrawford |
| 12:18.45 | jcrawford | ok trying that |
| 12:18.45 | rwhitby | cd <where the ipkg is> |
| 12:18.52 | en0x | and ipkg-opt install package |
| 12:19.20 | rwhitby | wonders whether using ipkg-opt or ipkg is better ... |
| 12:19.34 | en0x | no idea |
| 12:19.37 | jcrawford | ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.terminal |
| 12:19.42 | jcrawford | woops |
| 12:19.47 | jcrawford | root@castle:/var/home/jcrawford# ipkg-opt install x-webosinternals-termplugin_0.1.1_armv7.ipk |
| 12:19.54 | jcrawford | Cannot find package x-webosinternals-termplugin. |
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| 12:21.08 | jcrawford | guess it just does not like me :( |
| 12:21.12 | en0x | yap |
| 12:21.46 | Rick__ | rwhitby, I have the ipk in /tmp |
| 12:21.50 | jcrawford | en0x, are you using the latest os on the pre? |
| 12:22.00 | en0x | jcrawford: yes |
| 12:22.11 | jcrawford | 1.0.4 |
| 12:22.12 | Rick__ | I do ipkg-opt install x-webosinternals-termplugin_0.1.1_armv7.ipk |
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| 12:22.36 | Rick__ | and I get cannot find package -- that thing |
| 12:22.46 | jcrawford | Rick_, glad i am not the only one :) |
| 12:22.48 | Rick__ | same as jc |
| 12:22.52 | en0x | maybe u need 1.1.0 |
| 12:23.12 | en0x | idk works for me |
| 12:23.42 | Rick__ | I'm sudo su - and I'm in the /tmp dir and my prompt is root. I also tried ipkg-opt install ./thatthing |
| 12:24.17 | Rick__ | going to try straight ipkg |
| 12:24.23 | rwhitby | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal |
| 12:24.53 | Rick__ | rwhitby, straight ipk works ipkg-opt does not work. |
| 12:25.15 | Rick__ | rather ipkg |
| 12:25.15 | rwhitby | Rick__: see the new wiki page for installation instructions |
| 12:25.45 | Rick__ | ok |
| 12:26.30 | jcrawford | wtf |
| 12:26.34 | jcrawford | ipkg does not work for me ;( |
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| 12:26.57 | Rick__ | jcrawford, delete the file |
| 12:27.04 | Rick__ | now, go to the wiki and follow that step by step |
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| 12:27.23 | jcrawford | i am already trying that :) |
| 12:29.40 | rwhitby | now to work out how to remove that 'mv' step |
| 12:30.24 | jcrawford | i am still getting this |
| 12:30.24 | jcrawford | Cannot find package x-webosinternals-termplugin. |
| 12:30.46 | en0x | rwhitby: whouldn't it be easeier to just link it? |
| 12:31.04 | rwhitby | en0x: yeah, probably |
| 12:31.15 | Rick__ | jcrawford, are you on 1.1? |
| 12:32.01 | en0x | i think he is on 1.0.4 |
| 12:32.12 | jcrawford | http://pastebin.ca/1505711 |
| 12:32.18 | jcrawford | oh i am on 1.0.4 |
| 12:32.20 | Rick__ | there's some tiny chance it might make a differenc? |
| 12:32.27 | jcrawford | how do i get 1.1? |
| 12:32.40 | Rick__ | go to update on your pre and tell it to update.... |
| 12:32.41 | jcrawford | checking for updates now |
| 12:32.54 | Rick__ | warning: Takes 20 minutes |
| 12:33.23 | rwhitby | jcrawford: type "which ipkg" |
| 12:33.34 | rwhitby | webOS version is not the problem |
| 12:33.48 | Rick__ | rwhitby, why is the install in the instructions twice? |
| 12:33.56 | rwhitby | jcrawford: your ipkg is pointing to optware feeds for some reason instead of preware |
| 12:34.30 | rwhitby | Rick__: which install? |
| 12:34.32 | jcrawford | updating now |
| 12:34.37 | jcrawford | did not know there was a new update :D |
| 12:34.40 | Rick__ | the wiki page |
| 12:34.54 | rwhitby | jcrawford: you'll be waiting a long time for this update you realise |
| 12:35.00 | jcrawford | /opt/bin/ipkg |
| 12:35.00 | Rick__ | nevermind |
| 12:35.04 | Rick__ | one installs terminal |
| 12:35.08 | Rick__ | the other installs the plugin |
| 12:35.10 | Rick__ | got it |
| 12:35.11 | jcrawford | yea i see it will take forever even over wifi heh |
| 12:35.23 | rwhitby | jcrawford: ah, have you modified /etc/profile.d/optware to put /opt first in the path by chance? |
| 12:35.23 | Rick__ | 20 minutes through the whole process. |
| 12:35.36 | jcrawford | rwhitby, nope |
| 12:35.45 | rwhitby | jcrawford: cat /etc/profile.d/optware |
| 12:36.19 | Rick__ | PATH=$PATH:/opt/bin |
| 12:36.19 | Rick__ | if [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ]; then |
| 12:36.19 | Rick__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.19 | Rick__ | fi |
| 12:36.31 | rwhitby | jcrawford: echo $PATH |
| 12:36.41 | jcrawford | http://pastebin.ca/1505714 |
| 12:36.52 | Rick__ | I have the same probvlem rwhitby can't install the plugin. |
| 12:37.05 | jcrawford | /usr/local/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/opt/sbin |
| 12:37.23 | rwhitby | now I know why we use webos.pastebin.com, cause there's no soft porn ads on it |
| 12:37.32 | jcrawford | are there a lot of differences between 1.0.4 and 1.1.0 |
| 12:37.33 | rwhitby | jcrawford: that path is *wrong* |
| 12:37.50 | jcrawford | rwhitby, that is how my pre came, i have not altered my paths at all |
| 12:38.03 | rwhitby | Rick__: echo $PATH |
| 12:38.26 | Rick__ | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin::/opt/bin:/opt/sbin |
| 12:38.37 | rwhitby | en0x: echo $PATH |
| 12:38.38 | Rick__ | which is the result of the next-steps script |
| 12:39.09 | Rick__ | except I have that double :: in there for some reason... |
| 12:39.19 | en0x | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin::/opt/bin:/opt/sbin |
| 12:39.20 | rwhitby | jcrawford: when your path is correct, it will work. |
| 12:39.22 | en0x | :) |
| 12:39.34 | rwhitby | Rick__, en0x: thx |
| 12:39.50 | Rick__ | rwhitby, mine is the same as en0x and it doesn't work |
| 12:39.54 | Rick__ | same error as jv |
| 12:39.55 | Rick__ | jc |
| 12:39.59 | jcrawford | rwhitby, how would i change that? |
| 12:39.59 | en0x | [; |
| 12:40.03 | rwhitby | Rick__: which ipkg |
| 12:40.08 | Rick__ | termplyugin |
| 12:40.20 | rwhitby | Rick__: "which ipkg" |
| 12:40.36 | Rick__ | straight ipkg off the wiki page cut and paste |
| 12:40.51 | Rick__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.02 | Rick__ | "cannot find..." same as jc |
| 12:41.23 | Rick__ | but the second one -- the mojo part installed fine |
| 12:41.29 | Rick__ | so I HAVE to be looking at the feed. |
| 12:41.37 | rwhitby | the instructions are now path-independent. |
| 12:42.03 | rwhitby | Rick__: did you miss the armv7 feed? |
| 12:42.28 | Rick__ | echo "src/gz all http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/preware/armv7" >> /var/etc/ipkg/preware.conf |
| 12:42.30 | Rick__ | that? |
| 12:42.34 | rwhitby | yep |
| 12:42.46 | rwhitby | Rick__: /usr/bin/ipkg -o /var list | grep termplugin |
| 12:43.06 | Rick__ | nothing |
| 12:43.16 | rwhitby | Rick__: /usr/bin/ipkg -o /var update, then repeat |
| 12:43.19 | bpadalino | using ipkg or ipkg-opt ? |
| 12:43.31 | rwhitby | bpadalino: /usr/bin/ipkg -o /var |
| 12:43.45 | rwhitby | simulating palm-install |
| 12:43.57 | bpadalino | ah |
| 12:44.31 | Rick__ | infflating http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/preware/all/Packages.gz |
| 12:44.35 | bpadalino | i haven't been around much the last week or so :( |
| 12:44.37 | Rick__ | updated list |
| 12:45.08 | Rick__ | ipkg -o /var list | grep term ====> nohting |
| 12:45.27 | jcrawford | installing 1.1.0 now |
| 12:45.34 | jcrawford | when was 1.1.0 released? |
| 12:45.34 | Rick__ | sorry |
| 12:45.36 | Rick__ | liked |
| 12:45.42 | jcrawford | and where can i see the changelog :) |
| 12:45.45 | en0x | jcrawford: yesterday |
| 12:45.49 | jcrawford | nice |
| 12:45.50 | Rick__ | jcrawford, last night about 7 pm eastern |
| 12:45.50 | en0x | omg man where u live? |
| 12:46.01 | jcrawford | i live in the Boston area |
| 12:46.09 | en0x | me too and i got it yesterday |
| 12:46.47 | Rick__ | rwhitby, if I do the full list without the grep, I see org.webosinternals.kaery.app.mynotifications and org.webosinternals.terminal but NOT the plugin |
| 12:47.20 | jcrawford | en0x, you are in the boston area? |
| 12:47.41 | rwhitby | Rick__: are you *sure* you're running /usr/bin/ipkg ? |
| 12:47.47 | en0x | jcrawford: yes |
| 12:47.58 | jcrawford | nice you lived here long? |
| 12:48.14 | jcrawford | i moved here about 18 mos ago, currently living in lynn which blows |
| 12:48.43 | en0x | 8yrs |
| 12:49.15 | en0x | moved in from poland |
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| 12:49.46 | Rick__ | rwhitby, followed your instructions on the wiki by cut and paste with the /usr/bin at the front (pth independent) |
| 12:49.49 | Rick__ | and no diff |
| 12:49.57 | Rick__ | error 4 |
| 12:50.00 | Rick__ | not found |
| 12:50.27 | rwhitby | do the instructions work for anyone else? |
| 12:50.34 | en0x | i havent tested |
| 12:50.35 | en0x | :p |
| 12:50.44 | en0x | let me remove terminal and install it again |
| 12:50.53 | rwhitby | en0x: thx |
| 12:50.56 | Rick__ | so far, rwhitby we're two for two fail. |
| 12:51.24 | bpadalino | where are the instructions ? |
| 12:51.35 | Rick__ | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal |
| 12:52.30 | en0x | rwhitby: ok here is the thing |
| 12:53.20 | en0x | somehow it doesnt download info from http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/preware/armv7 when u do /usr/bin/ipkg -o /var update |
| 12:53.37 | Rick__ | nodnod |
| 12:53.45 | Rick__ | yep that's the effect that I'm seeing |
| 12:54.12 | Rick__ | but it's listed in /var/etc/ipkg/preware.conf |
| 12:54.13 | en0x | rwhitby: http://wklej.org/id/125509/ |
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| 12:55.34 | rwhitby | instructions are now fixed. edit your armv7 line in preware.conf |
| 12:55.40 | Rick__ | mine is the same, except on my preware.conf the arm7 line is FIRST and the all is SECOND and I get the result. |
| 12:56.00 | bpadalino | see- i switched |
| 12:56.02 | bpadalino | then updated |
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| 12:56.05 | bpadalino | and it downloaded the other one |
| 12:56.07 | en0x_ | ha! i found the bug |
| 12:56.08 | bpadalino | and now i see it |
| 12:56.14 | bpadalino | but i don't see the other feed |
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| 12:56.40 | en0x | ha! |
| 12:56.40 | en0x | found the bug |
| 12:56.53 | Rick__ | what? |
| 12:57.02 | rwhitby | bpadalino: you have two lines, one for all and one for armv7 ? |
| 12:57.17 | bpadalino | yes |
| 12:57.30 | rwhitby | and the second word on each is all and armv7 respectively, not all and all |
| 12:57.37 | bpadalino | root@castle:/var/etc/ipkg# cat preware.conf |
| 12:57.37 | bpadalino | src/gz all http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/preware/armv7 |
| 12:57.39 | bpadalino | src/gz all http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/preware/all |
| 12:57.50 | rwhitby | change the second word on first line to armv7 |
| 12:58.02 | en0x | yap thats what i found |
| 12:58.07 | en0x | but stuill no go |
| 12:58.27 | en0x | http://wklej.org/id/125510/ |
| 12:58.37 | bpadalino | now it seemed to download both |
| 12:58.41 | bpadalino | when doing the update |
| 12:58.47 | Rick__ | update now gets both |
| 12:58.53 | rwhitby | en0x: second line needs >> not > |
| 12:58.57 | Rick__ | trying the install |
| 12:58.58 | bpadalino | org.webosinternals.terminal - 0.1.1 - Terminal |
| 12:58.58 | bpadalino | x-webosinternals-termplugin - 0.1.1 - Terminal Service Plugin |
| 12:59.01 | bpadalino | shows both |
| 12:59.33 | bpadalino | ... hrm |
| 13:00.10 | bpadalino | http://webos.pastebin.com/m2300fb7c |
| 13:00.21 | rwhitby | don't you love how the two names just line up :-) |
| 13:00.22 | bpadalino | the first two lines are from the previous ipkg -o /var list |
| 13:00.31 | jcrawford | any progress Rick_ ? |
| 13:00.34 | bpadalino | then the install seems to fail ? |
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| 13:01.13 | Rick__ | list lists them both |
| 13:01.14 | rwhitby | could still be an arch problem if Palm's ipkg doesn't have armv7 encoded in the binary |
| 13:01.17 | Rick__ | now to try installing |
| 13:01.53 | rwhitby | can someone do strings on /usr/bin/ipkg and look for something like armv7 (or a similar architecture identifier) ? |
| 13:01.55 | Rick__ | CRAP |
| 13:02.02 | bpadalino | nothing rwhitby |
| 13:02.04 | Rick__ | rwhitby, same thing return value 4 |
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| 13:02.15 | rwhitby | can someone do strings on /usr/bin/ipkg and look for something like armv7 (or a similar architecture identifier) ? |
| 13:02.22 | bpadalino | rwhitby, nothing |
| 13:02.32 | rwhitby | hmm |
| 13:03.04 | Rick__ | strings /usr/bin/ipkg | grep arm |
| 13:03.04 | Rick__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.17 | bpadalino | oh, libipkg it looks like it links against |
| 13:03.27 | PuffTheMagic | morning |
| 13:03.30 | rwhitby | yeah, try that |
| 13:03.33 | Rick__ | morning puff |
| 13:03.39 | bpadalino | no arm .. |
| 13:03.53 | Rick__ | MOST ANNOYING -- hate it when you have something that works and you can't INSTALL it. |
| 13:04.05 | Rick__ | I'm starting to know how the vista64 folks feel. |
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| 13:04.12 | rwhitby | cat /etc/ipkg/arch.conf |
| 13:04.27 | Rick__ | cat /etc/ipkg/arch.conf |
| 13:04.28 | bpadalino | arch all 1 |
| 13:04.28 | bpadalino | arch any 6 |
| 13:04.29 | bpadalino | arch noarch 11 |
| 13:04.31 | bpadalino | arch arm 16 |
| 13:04.33 | bpadalino | arch armv7 21 |
| 13:04.35 | bpadalino | arch castle 26 |
| 13:05.01 | Rick__ | oops wrongwindow same here |
| 13:05.15 | rwhitby | ln -s /etc/ipkg/arch.conf /var/etc/ipkg/ |
| 13:05.20 | rwhitby | then try again |
| 13:05.52 | Rick__ | bingo |
| 13:05.56 | bpadalino | yeppers |
| 13:06.26 | bpadalino | rebooting now |
| 13:06.30 | Rick__ | ditto |
| 13:06.50 | Rick__ | rwhitby, why not put the reboot line in the instructions as "now, reboot by typing "reboot" .... |
| 13:06.56 | Rick__ | windows users... noobs. |
| 13:07.03 | Rick__ | that way they don't have to do a full power off |
| 13:07.09 | rwhitby | Rick__: sure |
| 13:07.22 | Rick__ | I hate how slow this boot is |
| 13:07.39 | bpadalino | blame the fileindexer |
| 13:07.42 | Rick__ | wish we had a character mode boot so at least I could see the crud going by on eht screen. |
| 13:07.44 | rwhitby | just a rescan may well be enough - someone should test |
| 13:07.52 | jcrawford | going to try the terminal on 1.1.0 now |
| 13:07.59 | Rick__ | jc |
| 13:08.02 | Rick__ | new instructions. |
| 13:08.07 | rwhitby | jcrawford: instructions should be good enough now |
| 13:08.08 | jcrawford | will check the wiki :) |
| 13:08.11 | jcrawford | same url? |
| 13:08.14 | rwhitby | yep |
| 13:08.39 | Rick__ | start all the way at the top jcrawford the new part is line 2 |
| 13:09.12 | Rick__ | still pulsing |
| 13:09.35 | bpadalino | works |
| 13:09.48 | Rick__ | HOT DAMN!!! |
| 13:09.50 | Rick__ | works |
| 13:10.01 | Rick__ | aspect switching works |
| 13:10.05 | bpadalino | haha |
| 13:10.05 | Rick__ | rotate works |
| 13:10.09 | bpadalino | scrolling needs some help |
| 13:10.14 | Rick__ | YIPPY SKIPPY |
| 13:10.31 | jcrawford | rebooting |
| 13:10.34 | jcrawford | seems to have worked now |
| 13:10.37 | jcrawford | you guys are great :) |
| 13:10.45 | jcrawford | so who wrote this rwhitby ? |
| 13:10.52 | en0x | he did |
| 13:10.55 | en0x | :) |
| 13:10.56 | rwhitby | not me |
| 13:10.59 | jcrawford | ty for all the work rwhitby |
| 13:11.07 | rwhitby | I just packaged the work of others |
| 13:11.08 | jcrawford | oh? |
| 13:11.18 | jcrawford | well thank you to all who have contributed to this application |
| 13:11.19 | en0x | it looks promising |
| 13:11.27 | jcrawford | it is going to make my life much easier :D |
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| 13:11.47 | rwhitby | destinal-zzzz, PuffTheMagic, mrvc, and some others too .... |
| 13:11.59 | Rick__ | uh |
| 13:12.14 | Rick__ | what's the terminfo for this, 'cause apparently it's not ansi... |
| 13:12.39 | rwhitby | it's a dumb terminal, which we are very lucky works at all. |
| 13:12.52 | bpadalino | profiler definitely needs to be run on it .. as it's very very slow to respond and uses 90% CPU when scrolling |
| 13:12.54 | Rick__ | ahhh |
| 13:12.56 | Rick__ | good to know |
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| 13:13.17 | Rick__ | and we had better put that on the wiki before some idiot tries to run nano and gets a screen full of ansi gibberish |
| 13:13.25 | jcrawford | ut oh |
| 13:13.28 | jcrawford | followed the instructiuons |
| 13:13.33 | jcrawford | just get Scary Black Screen |
| 13:13.42 | Rick__ | so, it's the pre equivalent of novacom -t open tty:// :-) |
| 13:13.42 | PuffTheMagic | hmmm 90% |
| 13:13.49 | rwhitby | Rick__: indeed |
| 13:13.49 | PuffTheMagic | it didnt use 90% in the mu |
| 13:13.51 | Rick__ | jcrawford, hit enter several times |
| 13:13.53 | PuffTheMagic | emu |
| 13:13.58 | PuffTheMagic | i ran top and checked |
| 13:14.07 | PuffTheMagic | and i had 95% idle |
| 13:14.10 | bpadalino | oohh, it's 90% when scrolling |
| 13:14.24 | PuffTheMagic | the terminal scrolls now? |
| 13:14.28 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: scrolling is hot off the press I believe |
| 13:15.18 | rwhitby | *this* is the example of why closed source single person projects always lose :-) 24x7 worldwide development. |
| 13:15.20 | Rick__ | mine doesn't scroll |
| 13:15.31 | bpadalino | oh, mine does |
| 13:15.44 | bpadalino | but i did an ipkg list |
| 13:15.45 | Rick__ | ls -all ran off the bottom of the screen... no scrolling |
| 13:15.54 | bpadalino | flick to scroll |
| 13:16.10 | Rick__ | oh duch preapp |
| 13:16.12 | Rick__ | gosh |
| 13:16.33 | rwhitby | duch? |
| 13:16.35 | Rick__ | that's going to be - uh - blitting the pixbuff and transfering to mojo . wow. amazing that it works at all |
| 13:16.42 | Rick__ | duh typo |
| 13:17.29 | en0x | wtf my pre just rebooted byitself |
| 13:17.30 | bpadalino | yeah, that was spectacular |
| 13:17.31 | Rick__ | does scroll on flick |
| 13:17.34 | bpadalino | good job |
| 13:17.40 | Rick__ | amazing |
| 13:17.47 | Rick__ | heheheh |
| 13:18.05 | Rick__ | ON TO X-WINDOWS! hehehehehe .l... |
| 13:18.06 | en0x | oh wait |
| 13:18.10 | rwhitby | To see who to thank, look at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications/commits/master |
| 13:18.10 | en0x | luna crashed |
| 13:18.28 | rwhitby | I forgot Zuchmir2 as well |
| 13:18.44 | Rick__ | no offense to you floss sensibilities, but I think a credits line at the bottom of the wiki page is appropriate.... |
| 13:19.22 | jcrawford | all working |
| 13:19.26 | jcrawford | hah could not get out of the top command |
| 13:19.29 | jcrawford | hitting q did nothing |
| 13:19.32 | jcrawford | had to close the app :D |
| 13:20.02 | Rick__ | jc - the sym key is control |
| 13:20.20 | bpadalino | which key is escape ? |
| 13:20.36 | Rick__ | good GOD I'm impressed. |
| 13:20.39 | en0x | maybe no escape yet |
| 13:20.42 | en0x | who know |
| 13:20.51 | bpadalino | sure - emacs can work but vi gets screwed :( |
| 13:21.33 | en0x | ok smoke time |
| 13:21.38 | bpadalino | i like the terminal icon too |
| 13:21.38 | joesmith | WOW I cant believe my wish came true, the pre fairies did fix all the mods! |
| 13:21.46 | PuffTheMagic | bpadalino: :D |
| 13:21.52 | bpadalino | yay |
| 13:21.53 | PuffTheMagic | thats like my only contrib to term |
| 13:21.57 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 13:22.07 | Rick__ | 24/7 worldwide programming -- open source wins again |
| 13:22.32 | Rick__ | PuffTheMagic, they also serve.... |
| 13:22.53 | Rick__ | term now depricates commander. which is a DAMN GOOD THING |
| 13:23.36 | Rick__ | it's pre-alpha software... but I don't think we can keep it secret. It's going to leak. rwhitby someone ought to make an official announcement |
| 13:23.46 | Rick__ | peple read these logs |
| 13:25.07 | summatusmentis | k, reading backlogs.... you people are my heroes |
| 13:25.16 | PuffTheMagic | did anyone figure out how to install the .so fileyet |
| 13:25.20 | PuffTheMagic | in a ipk file |
| 13:26.24 | Rick__ | yes |
| 13:26.30 | Rick__ | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal |
| 13:26.42 | jcrawford | now we just need a terminal service |
| 13:26.50 | jcrawford | so that other apps can talk to the terminal and execute commands |
| 13:27.00 | jcrawford | so that we can get things like directory listings, files etc. |
| 13:27.04 | jcrawford | then a file manager could be done :) |
| 13:27.16 | Rick__ | jcrawford, that's dead simple now. |
| 13:27.36 | jcrawford | Rick__, how so? You still need a service that you could call from the app |
| 13:27.45 | Rick__ | modify commander service to ONLY accept dir commands, and write your file browser against it. |
| 13:28.03 | jcrawford | i'm not even sure what commander service is lol |
| 13:28.21 | PuffTheMagic | ok i am missing something |
| 13:28.27 | PuffTheMagic | oh nm |
| 13:28.27 | Rick__ | oh jcrawford you're WEEKS behing.... :-) |
| 13:28.33 | jcrawford | rofl guess so |
| 13:28.33 | Rick__ | behind |
| 13:28.35 | PuffTheMagic | symlink |
| 13:28.40 | Rick__ | right |
| 13:28.41 | jcrawford | been too busy with work to really dive into the internal stuff |
| 13:28.49 | Rick__ | without the symlink PuffTheMagic install failed |
| 13:28.51 | jcrawford | also been trying to read books to get up to speed on JS |
| 13:29.07 | Rick__ | commander and flashlight were the first services written |
| 13:29.18 | Rick__ | against public dbus |
| 13:29.46 | Rick__ | and no one has managed to do an ipkg of a service... |
| 13:29.56 | blau-mikeDG | ipkg this! |
| 13:30.08 | Rick__ | :-) |
| 13:30.15 | Rick__ | slightly giddy with amazement |
| 13:30.21 | rwhitby | Rick__: it could be done just like this plugin |
| 13:30.22 | bpadalino | i think we're not leveraging novacom enough for this terminal/execution stuff |
| 13:30.29 | Rick__ | yep, it could |
| 13:30.57 | bpadalino | novacom runs inherently on the pre .. why not use it and get the text/binary it spits back ? |
| 13:31.00 | rwhitby | bpadalino: yeah, I'm sneaking getting the preware feed onto people's devices using Terminal as the hook. |
| 13:31.02 | Rick__ | bpadalino if you want to write a novaterm for windows I'm all for it |
| 13:31.40 | bpadalino | rick, i am thinking to get rid of the pixel buffer stuff ... |
| 13:31.49 | Rick__ | ??? |
| 13:31.55 | rwhitby | bpadalino: tell me more about localhost novacom on the Pre ? |
| 13:32.01 | Rick__ | call novacom _from_ the pre? |
| 13:32.06 | bpadalino | rick, yeah |
| 13:32.12 | bpadalino | rwhitby, it opens the same tcp port i am pretty sure |
| 13:32.20 | Rick__ | that's uh er -- twisted. |
| 13:32.21 | rwhitby | bpadalino: but how does it help here? |
| 13:32.33 | PuffTheMagic | i made a ipk for DevTools |
| 13:32.35 | PuffTheMagic | but never pushed it |
| 13:32.36 | PuffTheMagic | doh |
| 13:32.39 | bpadalino | from the browser, all we get are AJAX calls for getting data, right ? |
| 13:32.40 | Rick__ | because ajaxterm could talk to the underlying os through the novacom protocal with a tiny plugin |
| 13:32.45 | bpadalino | so we're limited to http |
| 13:32.53 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: I can package that now into the preware feed |
| 13:32.55 | bpadalino | write a small layer which opens a socket, and translates |
| 13:32.57 | Rick__ | it's an alternate method |
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| 13:33.28 | bpadalino | but the web page gets the text ... so you aren't doing any of the display problems yourself .. |
| 13:33.33 | Rick__ | but they NEEDED to do the pixbuff term, 'cause they NEEDED to learn how to do low level graphics to write a doc for game porters |
| 13:33.36 | bpadalino | you also get copy/paste kind of for free |
| 13:33.45 | bpadalino | rick, that's understandable |
| 13:33.54 | WillJitsu | I already have dropbear working and accepting connections over wifi. What exactly do I change to get it to accept ssh connections over EVDO? |
| 13:34.02 | bpadalino | i am not saying the efforts thus far are no good |
| 13:34.03 | Rick__ | bpadalino yes, we run ajaxterm on the mojo.... and a tiny plugin to call novacom to pass info back and forth |
| 13:34.14 | bpadalino | oh you already do that ? |
| 13:34.21 | Rick__ | it's like a tiny tiny plugin and a few line mod to ajaxterm |
| 13:34.38 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: there's a wiki page for that |
| 13:34.48 | Rick__ | bpadalino no we' don't already to that |
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| 13:34.52 | bpadalino | oh |
| 13:34.59 | Rick__ | we've been talking about what the backend for ajaxterm should be |
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| 13:35.10 | Rick__ | 'cause installing php or pythin seems massive for just that |
| 13:35.12 | Rick__ | but nova |
| 13:35.16 | Rick__ | that's BRILLIANT |
| 13:35.59 | Rick__ | rwhitby, who was it that was working on the ajaxterm last night ???? |
| 13:36.18 | rwhitby | dunno |
| 13:36.23 | Rick__ | destinal pointed out that he should keep going because muyltiple solutosn were a good idea. |
| 13:36.25 | Rick__ | Darn darn darn. |
| 13:36.49 | rwhitby | Quantsini: |
| 13:36.59 | rwhitby | Rick__: ^^ |
| 13:37.22 | Rick__ | thanks rwhitby |
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| 13:37.38 | PuffTheMagic | is disapointed 1.1.0 is not out on o.p.c yet |
| 13:37.56 | Rick__ | Quantsini, contact bpadalino |
| 13:38.02 | bpadalino | hi |
| 13:38.30 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: I'm looking at this page: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Dropbear_Install. Do I use vi to edit the optware-dropbear file and reboot or is that just a script that edits another file? |
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| 13:39.20 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: that page is obsoleted by the optware-bootstrap.sh script |
| 13:39.47 | Rick__ | you need to find the line in the optware-dropbear script that opens the etho and edit that line to the other port |
| 13:39.53 | Rick__ | and then execute that line from the command line |
| 13:39.59 | Rick__ | which opens the SECOND port. |
| 13:40.21 | Rick__ | and if you get it done, edit the wiki page to make the process crystal clear |
| 13:40.29 | Rick__ | (((pay it forward. ))) |
| 13:40.41 | WillJitsu | ok I'm running late for work, so I'll tackle it tonight. thanks guys |
| 13:40.44 | Rick__ | pff to work now -- skipping -- happy |
| 13:40.44 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: didn't the optware-bootstrap.sh script ask you about evdo? |
| 13:40.52 | Rick__ | rwhitby, no |
| 13:41.32 | Rick__ | rwhitby, are you going to contact dieter with a release? 'cause I don't think we want to let dieter get beat by engaget to this. |
| 13:41.35 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: I've had my Pre rooted for quite some time now. the optware-bootstrap.sh didn't exist when I set all this up |
| 13:41.50 | Rick__ | infobot |
| 13:41.55 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: ah, ok - read the optware-bootstrap.sh script then |
| 13:42.08 | WillJitsu | ok cool |
| 13:42.14 | rwhitby | Rick__: already pinged him, but he's not around |
| 13:42.18 | Rick__ | ok |
| 13:44.57 | en0x | i wonder how hard it would be to add different IM services |
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| 13:46.53 | rwhitby | We need JackieRipper to write a terminal-bootstrap.sh script ... |
| 13:47.05 | Rick__ | ow ow ow -- good idea |
| 13:47.39 | Rick__ | he's on- you could pm him so he sees it when he gets back to the irc window |
| 13:48.59 | destinal-zzzz | rwhitby: good progress! |
| 13:50.25 | rwhitby | destinal: I did nothing other than some packaging |
| 13:50.52 | rwhitby | "you guys are the real heroes" ;-) |
| 13:56.38 | blau-mikeDG | im a hero |
| 13:56.41 | blau-mikeDG | pm me money |
| 13:57.48 | en0x | :> |
| 13:58.39 | blau-mikeDG | OFX for you momma! |
| 13:58.43 | destinal | Rick__: I think it's worth at least alpha now, pre-alpha was sooo yesterday |
| 13:58.48 | destinal | :P |
| 13:59.32 | destinal | runs off to work. |
| 13:59.34 | destinal | bbl |
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| 14:10.39 | J0sH | hey, does anyone have tethering working since 1.1.0, i hadnt tried it before and im trying it now but its not exactly working out |
| 14:11.01 | Rick__ | some techniques work, others require re-patching |
| 14:11.20 | en0x | we not allowed to talk about tethering here |
| 14:11.34 | Rick__ | right |
| 14:11.36 | J0sH | are you sure? cause the instructions are on this web site |
| 14:11.36 | Rick__ | that's what I ment |
| 14:11.44 | Rick__ | not on THIS web site they didn't |
| 14:11.53 | Rick__ | you were on precentral |
| 14:11.56 | Rick__ | this is webos-internals |
| 14:11.56 | J0sH | oh, the usbnet instructions are |
| 14:12.05 | Rick__ | yes those are on here |
| 14:12.08 | J0sH | thats only half of it |
| 14:12.09 | J0sH | whoops |
| 14:12.14 | Rick__ | as you say. |
| 14:12.22 | Rick__ | but still... off to precentral with you |
| 14:12.24 | J0sH | yeah |
| 14:12.27 | J0sH | no more of that talk |
| 14:12.32 | Rick__ | hehehehe |
| 14:12.47 | Rick__ | Ok, I edited the accessing linux page again. |
| 14:12.53 | J0sH | at least the usbnet part works |
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| 14:13.09 | Rick__ | someone go look in the nice blue box and check that what I wrote makes sense. |
| 14:13.10 | Rick__ | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux |
| 14:14.05 | PuffTheMagic | J0sH: there are a few ways to Teather |
| 14:14.09 | PuffTheMagic | idk which way you are doing it |
| 14:14.14 | J0sH | ill tell you |
| 14:14.25 | Rick__ | PuffTheMagic, move to private message please |
| 14:14.26 | J0sH | i edited pmconnectionmanager |
| 14:14.33 | Rick__ | J0sH, |
| 14:14.37 | Rick__ | we just said.... |
| 14:14.39 | J0sH | yeah |
| 14:14.50 | J0sH | lips sealed |
| 14:14.57 | Rick__ | jeeeeeeez kids these days...... :-) |
| 14:15.28 | PuffTheMagic | this that talk thats not allowed? didnt realize |
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| 14:15.35 | Rick__ | ((looks over the curve of name popularity for the last few decades... guesses that j0sh is 22.)) |
| 14:15.36 | PuffTheMagic | s/this/is/ |
| 14:15.40 | FreeTim31 | looks good, can we link to the /putty page from there |
| 14:16.13 | Rick__ | you could put a link to the /putty page in the next steps section. |
| 14:16.16 | Guest68889 | Does anybody know how to use webos doctor that can help me out? |
| 14:16.20 | Rick__ | the Detailed walk through uses putty |
| 14:16.29 | Rick__ | Guest68889, go. |
| 14:16.39 | Rick__ | what do you need Guest68889 |
| 14:16.44 | Guest68889 | ok |
| 14:16.49 | J0sH | puff, i detailed it in PM |
| 14:17.14 | Guest68889 | after the update i lost my roam ability so i re did and lost my prefences page |
| 14:17.25 | Guest68889 | so i restored using the webos doctor |
| 14:17.32 | Guest68889 | now i have no data |
| 14:17.44 | J0sH | yeah, it does that =[ |
| 14:17.50 | Guest68889 | and i cant get past the sign for the palm pre profile |
| 14:17.55 | Guest68889 | any ideas? |
| 14:17.58 | Guest68889 | ohh man.... |
| 14:17.59 | Rick__ | as in the things you uploaded to the usb drive are gone? |
| 14:18.10 | Rick__ | webos docctor deletes EVERYTHING |
| 14:18.15 | Rick__ | it's a re-format of the machine |
| 14:18.18 | Guest68889 | yes i am aware of that |
| 14:18.33 | Rick__ | ok |
| 14:18.33 | Guest68889 | i can even use the phone |
| 14:18.33 | Guest68889 | cant* |
| 14:18.33 | Rick__ | ok |
| 14:18.37 | Rick__ | so what's up on the screen? |
| 14:19.02 | Guest68889 | sign in failed, you need to be connected to your wireless service provider to sign in |
| 14:19.14 | Rick__ | by the way, you didn't need to do the dr. you could have fixed the changes you made to the re-do |
| 14:19.19 | Guest68889 | yes |
| 14:19.30 | Guest68889 | i learned of that after i already started the process |
| 14:19.32 | Rick__ | but anyway.... |
| 14:19.39 | Guest68889 | im a noob :( |
| 14:19.41 | Rick__ | you're going to have to get to a sprint service area |
| 14:19.46 | Guest68889 | i am |
| 14:19.56 | Rick__ | that's not what it says.... |
| 14:20.06 | Guest68889 | im out of houston |
| 14:20.08 | Rick__ | it says you are not connected to your wireless service provider. |
| 14:20.20 | Guest68889 | i drove alll over the place last night and this morning |
| 14:20.27 | Rick__ | you do NOT have the roaming logo up? |
| 14:20.29 | Guest68889 | everywhere that i always get a signal |
| 14:20.32 | Rick__ | and you have bars of service |
| 14:20.33 | Guest68889 | no |
| 14:20.34 | Guest68889 | yes |
| 14:20.36 | Rick__ | ok |
| 14:20.37 | Guest68889 | but no evdo |
| 14:20.42 | Guest68889 | its like its not working |
| 14:20.45 | Rick__ | ahhhhh |
| 14:20.46 | PuffTheMagic | Guest68889: i didnt something like that to my phone too |
| 14:20.48 | Rick__ | no evdo |
| 14:20.55 | PuffTheMagic | i had to turn on airplane mode |
| 14:20.58 | Rick__ | righty |
| 14:21.00 | PuffTheMagic | and reboot |
| 14:21.01 | Rick__ | do that |
| 14:21.05 | PuffTheMagic | then turn airplane mode off |
| 14:21.06 | Guest68889 | i cant even do that |
| 14:21.08 | PuffTheMagic | and it was working agian |
| 14:21.13 | Rick__ | ok |
| 14:21.21 | Rick__ | you may have a failed doctor. |
| 14:21.27 | Rick__ | which version of doctor did you install. |
| 14:21.34 | PuffTheMagic | peptec error |
| 14:21.39 | Guest68889 | yeah, i thought so to, but i re did it twice |
| 14:21.45 | Rick__ | huh |
| 14:21.47 | PuffTheMagic | s/e/a/ |
| 14:22.01 | Rick__ | you may be reduced to the "visit the sprint store" method. |
| 14:22.01 | Guest68889 | a fresh download from the palm site |
| 14:22.03 | PuffTheMagic | grrr |
| 14:22.05 | PuffTheMagic | wrong e |
| 14:22.06 | Guest68889 | lol |
| 14:22.18 | Guest68889 | yeahh, i was hoping to not have to do taht.... |
| 14:22.28 | PuffTheMagic | Guest68889: what do u mean you cant switch airplane mode |
| 14:22.43 | Guest68889 | the point i am at in the restore |
| 14:22.48 | Rick__ | Guest68889, you can not press the battery icon to get a menu to choose airplane mode? |
| 14:22.54 | Guest68889 | no |
| 14:22.57 | Guest68889 | it does nothing |
| 14:23.02 | Rick__ | so what is on your screen? |
| 14:23.17 | Rick__ | does launcher do nothing? |
| 14:23.25 | Guest68889 | i have no launcher |
| 14:23.29 | Guest68889 | i cant even get that far |
| 14:23.32 | Rick__ | do you have a photo of coral? |
| 14:23.39 | Rick__ | what do you have? |
| 14:23.46 | Guest68889 | after the restore, you go and set your language |
| 14:23.50 | Rick__ | nodnod |
| 14:23.53 | Rick__ | en |
| 14:23.57 | Guest68889 | i did that and it says activation ok |
| 14:24.00 | Rick__ | ok |
| 14:24.13 | Guest68889 | then it goes to the palm profile asking you to login or create an account |
| 14:24.17 | Guest68889 | and i cant get past that |
| 14:24.23 | Rick__ | which you absolutely have to have done |
| 14:24.33 | Rick__ | when you got the pre, you HAD to create a palm profile. |
| 14:24.37 | Guest68889 | yes |
| 14:24.41 | rawdr_ | he tries to connect to it, but it says no service |
| 14:24.44 | Guest68889 | yes |
| 14:24.45 | Rick__ | and it isn't talking it |
| 14:24.48 | Guest68889 | but i have service |
| 14:24.51 | Guest68889 | just no evdo |
| 14:24.54 | Guest68889 | for some reason |
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| 14:24.59 | Rick__ | you're screwed. |
| 14:25.03 | Guest68889 | awwwwww |
| 14:25.14 | rawdr_ | you've rebooted multiple times already? pulled battery? |
| 14:25.18 | Guest68889 | ohh yeahhhhhh |
| 14:25.25 | Guest68889 | i spent 4 hours on this last night |
| 14:25.28 | Rick__ | if you've tried it 3 times.... and re-doctored multiple times, and it does this every time, you're done. |
| 14:25.47 | Guest68889 | thats that i was afraid of |
| 14:25.56 | Rick__ | I have no idea what went wrong. |
| 14:25.59 | PuffTheMagic | i think i know |
| 14:26.06 | PuffTheMagic | did you not accept the TOS |
| 14:26.08 | Champ | me either |
| 14:26.08 | Rick__ | what what what? |
| 14:26.17 | Champ | i did |
| 14:26.17 | PuffTheMagic | i heard if you dont accept that it will get locked |
| 14:26.20 | Rick__ | aha!!!! |
| 14:27.03 | Champ | Here im gonna doctor it one more time |
| 14:27.10 | Champ | and list the process that i take |
| 14:27.21 | Champ | and i did accept the TOS |
| 14:28.04 | Champ | im wondering if i need to reactivate the phone with sprint or something |
| 14:28.24 | rawdr_ | Champ, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Bypassing_Activation |
| 14:29.03 | Champ | ehhh |
| 14:29.29 | Champ | personally i would rather it just work like it supposed to know you... |
| 14:29.40 | rawdr_ | yeah |
| 14:29.43 | Champ | but worst case, I will do that if i have to |
| 14:29.54 | Champ | im not the best at linux |
| 14:30.25 | Champ | but thank you |
| 14:30.48 | Rick__ | sprint store champ |
| 14:30.54 | Champ | yeahhh |
| 14:31.17 | Rick__ | don't tell them about the linux part |
| 14:31.23 | Champ | i know |
| 14:31.28 | Champ | im gonna play dumb |
| 14:31.32 | Rick__ | nodnod |
| 14:31.37 | Champ | phone reset during update |
| 14:31.39 | Champ | and hosed it |
| 14:31.40 | Rick__ | nodnod |
| 14:31.44 | Rick__ | nodnod |
| 14:32.08 | Champ | boy did i learn a lesson out of this.... |
| 14:32.37 | rawdr_ | interestingly there is a "Bypassing modem errors" section in that wiki as well |
| 14:32.50 | rawdr_ | maybe it's happened to a few others |
| 14:33.35 | Champ | its like the physical chip isnt working |
| 14:33.38 | Champ | its weird |
| 14:34.03 | Champ | think calling CS and asking for a reactivation might help? |
| 14:34.16 | rawdr_ | suppose it couldn't hurt |
| 14:34.34 | jwm | I don't like the pre hardware too much |
| 14:34.40 | jwm | but I love webos |
| 14:34.51 | jwm | I can't wait for more webos running hardware |
| 14:34.52 | jwm | heh |
| 14:35.07 | Champ | well, the local store opens up in 30 min. ill just have them do it |
| 14:37.33 | rawdr_ | anyone have experience with quilt, getting the "package needs to be refreshed" error? |
| 14:38.35 | drnull | Anyone interested in playing with a podcatcher/player application? http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications/trees/master/com.palm.drnull.prepod |
| 14:39.20 | raeb | this app can't be done in just mojo ? |
| 14:41.13 | drnull | raeb, yeah, it is. I just wanted a place to share it. the applications folder seemed like a good place to do that. |
| 14:41.59 | raeb | well, web-internals is generally for anything above linux kernel and below mojo (unless said linux app requires a mojo piece) but what do i know |
| 14:42.05 | drnull | I'll throw it up on precentral eventually (hopefully later today) |
| 14:42.06 | raeb | s/web/webos |
| 14:42.21 | Rick__ | drnull |
| 14:42.32 | Rick__ | we have a place on webos-internals wiki for you to post apps |
| 14:42.37 | drnull | gotcha, I read the applications project as "Simple example(s) for getting started with webOS / Mojo application development" meaning applications as well |
| 14:42.47 | Rick__ | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:webOS_Applications |
| 14:43.03 | Rick__ | no, we have a portal for APPS. |
| 14:43.11 | raeb | so if u need any native bits required, let me know |
| 14:43.18 | Rick__ | and we have a feed for an alternate on machine install stream |
| 14:43.33 | Rick__ | we will have a submissions page for that feed tonight or tommorow |
| 14:43.51 | Rick__ | visit http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:webOS_Applications and look around |
| 14:43.58 | Rick__ | drnull, |
| 14:44.09 | drnull | Rick__: can I continue using girorious as the source repo? |
| 14:45.00 | Rick__ | yes |
| 14:46.11 | Rick__ | OFF TO WORK |
| 14:46.20 | Rick__ | gaaaa 45 minutrs late NOW |
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| 15:09.26 | psykoz | palm/iTunes sync has pushed up to top sci/tech article on google news |
| 15:09.45 | FreeTim31 | DrNull : thank you very much... I'll try out the podcast |
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| 15:12.53 | imop45 | Hi everyone, ive completed a complete noob page |
| 15:14.21 | blau-mikeDG | ura noob |
| 15:15.05 | imop45 | Pretty much. I had everything down b4 the SDK came out, now im relearning |
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| 15:16.11 | imop45 | So, does anyone want to review it |
| 15:16.37 | imop45 | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/NOOB_Friendly_Getting_Started |
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| 15:20.34 | imop45 | Who should i talk to to approve the change |
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| 15:29.08 | imop45 | Please review this for a getting started page replace http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/NOOB_Friendly_Getting_Started |
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| 15:40.40 | BlitzK | Good morning, everyone! |
| 15:41.17 | rwhitby | imop45: specifically which existing wiki page is that intended to replace? |
| 15:41.32 | imop45 | The getting started page |
| 15:41.38 | imop45 | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:_Where_to_Get_Started |
| 15:42.00 | rwhitby | drnull: do you want to move that app to it's own repo under gitorious.org/webos-applications? |
| 15:42.53 | drnull | rwhitby: sure, that would probably be a good idea (why on earth aren't you sleeping?) |
| 15:43.16 | rwhitby | drnull: I was on a skype call with PreCentral, discussing homebrew app portals |
| 15:43.18 | drnull | I'll do that sometime this afternoon. |
| 15:43.37 | rwhitby | drnull: just 'prepod' for the repo name? |
| 15:43.38 | drnull | rwhitby: Gotcha, well, another fine podcast interview coming up featuring you, I'm sure. :) |
| 15:43.41 | drnull | sure |
| 15:44.49 | rwhitby | drnull: description for the repo? |
| 15:45.12 | drnull | Podcatcher/Podcast player (I'm not a real creative person...) |
| 15:45.30 | rwhitby | drnull: no, this was a convincing them to use standard ipkg feed format call, not an interview. |
| 15:45.40 | destinal | rwhitby: hmm, I wonder if we should create a new repo for the terminal now that it's bigger.. |
| 15:46.00 | rwhitby | drnull: Podcatcher/Podcast player is ready |
| 15:46.14 | drnull | thanks... and is there a nice one-liner to let me move it over there? :) |
| 15:46.34 | rwhitby | destinal: I was thinking webos-applications is for stuff that doesn't need internals support |
| 15:46.55 | rwhitby | destinal: but a new repo under webos-internals would be fine |
| 15:50.31 | imop45 | Did you review it? Seem good? Its like a prelink to sort out if someone wants to hack or just install some apps |
| 15:52.54 | drnull | is off to lunch, he'll get PrePod moved over this afternoon. |
| 15:54.23 | rwhitby | imop45: where does http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:_Where_to_Get_Started link from? |
| 15:54.42 | imop45 | I would like it to link from the main page |
| 15:55.07 | imop45 | The "getting started" to link to it |
| 15:55.16 | rwhitby | imop45: that's what I was asking, which existing page does it replace? |
| 15:55.59 | imop45 | No existing page. It just replaces a link. |
| 15:56.22 | imop45 | Its a portal page. |
| 15:56.23 | BlitzK | clear |
| 15:56.28 | BlitzK | meh, wrong window |
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| 15:56.38 | rwhitby | imop45: the installing a homebrew ipkg has to be cross-platform. that tutorial you link to that uses PreBrew is windows only |
| 15:57.30 | rwhitby | (that's why we point to the SDK, and also so that people side-loading apps fall under the "testing environment" clause of the EULA so the original app author doesn't get in trouble) |
| 15:57.46 | imop45 | Is there a turtorial on the site that is cross-platform? |
| 15:57.56 | rwhitby | imop45: yes, use palm-install from the SDK |
| 15:58.12 | rwhitby | imop45: two lines on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux |
| 15:58.24 | rwhitby | which point to documentation on Palm's official site |
| 15:58.30 | imop45 | Then why is the prebrew method listed on the site |
| 15:58.47 | rwhitby | imop45: cause someone wrote a tool and contributed a wiki page to match |
| 15:59.21 | imop45 | Hmm, ok, so i'll make a link page to this tool for windows, and the sdk for corss-platform |
| 15:59.44 | drnull | ok, it should be over there now. Thanks, rwhitby |
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| 16:00.15 | imop45 | The point of my portal page is just to help out those who might just want to install a few apps. Or those who get confused |
| 16:00.39 | imop45 | With the SDK it is still difficult |
| 16:03.33 | rwhitby | The SDK is a one-click install on all platforms, isn't it? |
| 16:03.42 | raeb | it was on linux |
| 16:03.48 | jcrawford | rwhitby, not on linux other than Debian |
| 16:03.56 | jcrawford | not one click on Fedora from what I have seen |
| 16:04.15 | raeb | yeah i guess i should qualify that as ubuntu |
| 16:04.20 | rwhitby | jcrawford: right, on all supported platforms |
| 16:04.44 | rwhitby | there are too many linux variants for anyone not using ubuntu to expect easy installation of anything ;-) |
| 16:05.00 | imop45 | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:_Where_to_Get_Started These, added information for windows OS |
| 16:05.05 | imop45 | there* |
| 16:05.34 | gkatsev | well, deb and rpm are the most popular, so, making both of those easy would be nice |
| 16:06.01 | rwhitby | imop45: the point is we want people to use the SDK, since then there is just *one* process, and it's documented and officially supported by Palm, so it will never go away |
| 16:06.18 | jcrawford | yea would love to have a one click install for fedora it uses rpm along with many other variants |
| 16:06.29 | rwhitby | gkatsev: would be nice, but a company that only has enough cash to support one will choose Ubuntu every time. |
| 16:06.40 | gkatsev | yeah, i guess |
| 16:06.49 | rwhitby | (or maybe RHEL if they are targetting the enterprise) |
| 16:06.55 | imop45 | No, the SDK for windows users is more complicated, especial if a non-tech savvy person just wants to install a few apps |
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| 16:07.08 | gkatsev | well, RHEL is rpm, so... |
| 16:07.28 | imop45 | Novaterm has to be modded for windows vista |
| 16:07.45 | raeb | sdk in windows 7 32 bit was ez, just had to install a different novacom service |
| 16:08.23 | gkatsev | i couldnt get sdk installed on my win7 install. it almost finished installing but then kept rolling back changed and deinstalling itself |
| 16:08.36 | raeb | i saw that behavior on x64 win7 |
| 16:08.44 | imop45 | I tried, didnt work. Rick ran into the same problem. I have to go back and do all the old instructions for it to work |
| 16:09.18 | imop45 | the point is, is that womeone who is not that computer literate probably couldnt do it. And probably wouldnt want to |
| 16:09.24 | rwhitby | imop45: we want to farm out support for side-loading applications back to palm. they have forums there were people can get help to use the SDK on the supported platforms. |
| 16:09.30 | gkatsev | thankfully, i have ubuntu, and that was really easy |
| 16:09.39 | rwhitby | we'd rather spend time creating stuff rather than supporting non-official app installation methods. |
| 16:10.10 | jcrawford | if someone is not computer literate they won't be developing apps, simple as that |
| 16:10.26 | jcrawford | if they cannot figure out how to install the SDK by following instructions they are not going to have a clue about developing an app |
| 16:10.32 | imop45 | Its not about dev apps. Its about people who ONLY want to install them |
| 16:10.46 | imop45 | Not talking about developing apps |
| 16:10.57 | jcrawford | what we need to do then is create an app kinda like the app catalog for homebrew apps |
| 16:11.20 | jcrawford | get that app into the app catalog when it goes public and then anyone can install that and then install any homebrew app they want |
| 16:11.23 | rwhitby | imop45: that's PreCentral's job, it's not the job of webos-internals. |
| 16:11.37 | jcrawford | but.. that would be pointless once the app catalog goes public as I am sure everyone will use that |
| 16:11.51 | jcrawford | but having an app that could download and install the ipk's would be cool |
| 16:11.55 | raeb | preware |
| 16:12.09 | rwhitby | jcrawford: there are at least 5 different people both inside and outside of webos-internals working on exactly that. |
| 16:12.15 | rwhitby | (5 different solutions) |
| 16:12.25 | imop45 | Where n how to install an app then? That link goes to Prebrew also |
| 16:12.51 | raeb | i like scp and ssh for installing apps :D |
| 16:13.06 | jcrawford | rwhitby, wouldn't it make more sense for you all to team together for the solution rather than make 5 different solutions? |
| 16:13.13 | rwhitby | I suggest palm-install, and use the doco on Palm's site. |
| 16:13.33 | rwhitby | jcrawford: at least 4 of the 5 are not open source. people are wanting to make money or fame. |
| 16:13.40 | jcrawford | pfft |
| 16:13.43 | jcrawford | they will bomb |
| 16:13.49 | raeb | more power to em if they do make money or get fame |
| 16:13.56 | raeb | personally, im an OSS fan |
| 16:13.57 | imop45 | But the webos-internals site is to hep people out. |
| 16:14.01 | jcrawford | i say that because the point of this app will be useless once the app catalog goes public |
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| 16:14.17 | rwhitby | what I've been doing in making sure that all those 5 solutions use a standard ipkg feed as the interchange format |
| 16:14.22 | rwhitby | then it doesn't matter which app wins |
| 16:14.34 | jcrawford | everyone will go there and sell their apps and since every palm user would use the app catalog that is pre-installed they would be less likely to buy an app catalog |
| 16:14.48 | jcrawford | rwhitby, good idea :) |
| 16:15.02 | rwhitby | jcrawford: most of the people doing it as doing it cause the app catalog is not there yet. |
| 16:15.17 | jcrawford | rwhitby, right but it is on the way rather soon isn't it? |
| 16:15.39 | rwhitby | preware.org is the "demonstration site" of how to do packaging and feeds the right way |
| 16:15.42 | jcrawford | even if it is only 2 months out they are not going to make *that* much money they would be better off making something that we can use faster by teaming up |
| 16:15.48 | imop45 | Ok, theres no link at all to hep someone know how to download a homebrew app |
| 16:15.57 | rwhitby | any of the 5 GUI installer apps will be able to use preware.org as one of their feeds |
| 16:15.59 | jcrawford | IT WORKS! |
| 16:16.27 | imop45 | You wouldnt need an app catalog on the pre as badly if it was easy to install from the comp |
| 16:17.47 | imop45 | "Our goal is to provide the simplest, most consumer friendly method to install homebrew apps on a stock Pre." |
| 16:18.31 | rwhitby | imop45: the person who wrote that page doesn't come to this channel, so has never discussed any of it with us here. |
| 16:19.42 | imop45 | Ok, then we need a page thats easier to understand or at least the link on how to install an ipk to direct to something useful and remove the PreBrew method off the site |
| 16:20.21 | rwhitby | imop45: I'm not about to remove any method that someone contributes off the site. |
| 16:20.37 | rwhitby | this is not a dictatorship |
| 16:20.37 | jcrawford | imop45, sure you would. Once the app catalog goes public you are going to see fewer and fewer free applications |
| 16:20.49 | jwm | do you use novaterm on windows? |
| 16:20.49 | jcrawford | and the secondary app installers would just allow for piracy |
| 16:20.58 | jwm | or is that just linux |
| 16:21.16 | rwhitby | jwm: you use novaterm or novacom tty on all three of mac, linux, windows. |
| 16:21.22 | imop45 | But the one and only link that tels someone how to install an app goes to an unsupport unrecommended way |
| 16:21.33 | rwhitby | jwm: it's all documented on Palm's site |
| 16:21.39 | imop45 | I cant find novaterm on windows! grr |
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| 16:22.11 | rwhitby | imop45: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux, Procedure, step 3. points to Palm doco. |
| 16:22.15 | jwm | rwhitby: are you telling me to rtfm? |
| 16:22.15 | jwm | heh |
| 16:22.25 | rwhitby | imop45: same page, step 4. |
| 16:22.27 | jwm | I just needed a quick intel on it that is all |
| 16:22.35 | jwm | I could of looked it up on the web or just asked here |
| 16:22.39 | imop45 | jcrawford-yeah, so true. Palm os had freeware everywhere |
| 16:22.44 | rwhitby | jwm: same page, step 4. |
| 16:22.55 | jwm | heh |
| 16:23.30 | jwm | I've even used novaterm before |
| 16:23.33 | jwm | to access my pre |
| 16:23.39 | imop45 | Novaterm doesnt work. Its not included in the SDK. Me and Rick discussed this yesterday |
| 16:23.44 | rwhitby | if palm's professionally written SDK documentation is not good enough for people to use to install apps, then ... |
| 16:23.54 | rwhitby | imop45: have you read step 4? |
| 16:24.10 | imop45 | Yeah. Novaterm isn't on my system |
| 16:24.17 | imop45 | oo |
| 16:24.27 | imop45 | Sorry, it has been revised. Go rick |
| 16:24.34 | Rick_ | imop45 |
| 16:24.46 | Rick_ | imop45 we fixed that problem |
| 16:25.04 | Rick_ | imop45 if you have installed the sdk |
| 16:25.10 | Rick_ | go to sdk/bin |
| 16:25.15 | imop45 | Yes i saw. I went through the change pages log and didnt see it |
| 16:25.22 | Rick_ | type novacom -t open tty:// |
| 16:25.28 | Rick_ | and bingo root@castle. |
| 16:25.41 | jwm | ahh, see |
| 16:25.52 | jwm | all I needed to know was novacom -t open tty:// |
| 16:25.57 | rwhitby | bbt. 2am |
| 16:25.59 | imop45 | Not many windows users here, eh? |
| 16:26.02 | jwm | that was less to type than the above |
| 16:26.16 | jwm | well, I run the emu on linux but since virtualbox and kvm hate each other |
| 16:26.26 | rwhitby | jwm: ah, but then you'd keep asking questions that are answered on the wiki :-) |
| 16:26.32 | jwm | I am just running the emu on a windows laptop now |
| 16:26.43 | jwm | no, I just asked that one question |
| 16:26.45 | imop45 | WEll, those instructions were up for weeks b4 anybody caught that they didnt work ltm |
| 16:26.51 | jwm | that is all I had planned to ask heh |
| 16:26.56 | jwm | well, not planned, improv |
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| 16:27.33 | Rick_ | I just updated the accessing linux page |
| 16:27.49 | Rick_ | and I marked all the "old" pages as depricated at the top with pointers to "accessing linux" |
| 16:27.55 | jwm | I don't ask a lot of questions hhe |
| 16:27.57 | Rick_ | and we have "long versions" for mac and windows. |
| 16:28.05 | Rick_ | it should be all good now. |
| 16:28.21 | Rick_ | imop45 was yours the suggestion for the starter page and the new sidebar? |
| 16:29.07 | imop45 | Yeah, this-b |
| 16:29.09 | imop45 | v |
| 16:29.13 | imop45 | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:_Where_to_Get_Started sory |
| 16:29.38 | imop45 | But need to revise i guess b/c prebrew isn't a recommended way |
| 16:30.18 | Rick_ | right |
| 16:30.22 | Rick_ | it's not |
| 16:30.27 | Rick_ | we're using the sdk for now. |
| 16:30.38 | Rick_ | We will have "something better" tonight or tommorow. |
| 16:30.44 | raeb | grrrr our IT security guy says that they may block pre on EAS cuz it doesn't support 6 digit pins |
| 16:31.11 | Rick_ | how many does it support? |
| 16:31.17 | raeb | 4 |
| 16:31.35 | imop45 | Haha, wow. 1,1 and soooo many improv and then. Nope, 6 digits. |
| 16:31.57 | summatusmentis | are you sure it doesn't? |
| 16:32.04 | summatusmentis | or does the interface just not? |
| 16:32.10 | summatusmentis | there may be a way to change that cap |
| 16:32.13 | imop45 | Hmm, my chatzilla just randomnly WHOIS'ed Rick |
| 16:32.19 | raeb | sure i could modify the app |
| 16:32.36 | Quantsini | sargun: you attend ISU? |
| 16:32.39 | raeb | but i can't modify all pre in the company |
| 16:32.41 | imop45 | So Rick, what should i do about my page? |
| 16:32.45 | Sargun | Quantsini, No. |
| 16:32.47 | jwm | the optware script doesn't work? |
| 16:33.26 | Quantsini | sargun: ah, just curious, as your debian tutorial included an iowa state link |
| 16:34.01 | blau-mikeDG | so i got ofx working with jp morgan chase |
| 16:34.10 | blau-mikeDG | but it hates me with american express :( |
| 16:34.15 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v eno] by ChanServ |
| 16:34.45 | summatusmentis | raeb: you can create a patch, and require "software updates" |
| 16:35.15 | blau-mikeDG | 1.1 ruined the alert sound :( |
| 16:35.19 | blau-mikeDG | i can barely here it now |
| 16:35.30 | blau-mikeDG | hear |
| 16:36.12 | raeb | or, i could modify the mechanism in which pre reports its capabilities |
| 16:36.20 | raeb | and lie to exchange say that it supports 6 digit pins |
| 16:36.30 | jwm | does the optware script try to mount hdb |
| 16:36.32 | jwm | ? |
| 16:37.24 | imop45 | restarted comp tty |
| 16:37.24 | blau-mikeDG | anyone know of a tool where i can specify post data and have it post to a server and show me what comes back? |
| 16:37.40 | blau-mikeDG | i feel like its an obvious tool but cant find anything |
| 16:37.50 | raeb | webscarab |
| 16:37.53 | raeb | burp |
| 16:39.52 | Templarian | blau-mikeDG: just make a test.html with a JS function postIt("url", {param1:"value",param2:"value"}); and use firebug's console. |
| 16:40.09 | Templarian | I use to have a file like that... useful. |
| 16:40.12 | raeb | ya firebug is good |
| 16:41.29 | Templarian | is in the contributors section of the about screen so hes entitled to plug it |
| 16:41.40 | blau-mikeDG | temp: i thought js could only post url encoded stuff? |
| 16:41.56 | blau-mikeDG | im not a web dev guy |
| 16:42.14 | raeb | nah, ajaxclient can do POST as well as GET |
| 16:42.16 | Templarian | It can, the function would url encode the obj in a for loop. |
| 16:42.24 | raeb | or javascript can take your stuff, and spit out a html form and submit it |
| 16:42.25 | raeb | etc |
| 16:42.44 | jwm | so you turn on wifi in the emulator to get an ip to ssh to? |
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| 16:43.09 | blau-mikeDG | no |
| 16:43.14 | blau-mikeDG | you ssh to localhost at port 5522 i think |
| 16:43.59 | blau-mikeDG | like how do i do postdata where its just data, no named parameters |
| 16:44.06 | blau-mikeDG | im a nub |
| 16:44.18 | jwm | sweet, you're run |
| 16:44.20 | jwm | right |
| 16:44.20 | jwm | hah |
| 16:44.27 | raeb | like when you upload a file? |
| 16:44.33 | jwm | do you want a php script to tell you what your POST data is? |
| 16:44.36 | blau-mikeDG | oh ok yeah i guess so |
| 16:44.39 | CIA-79 | bzhou * r10488 optware/trunk/make/nmap.mk: nmap: stage and depend on libpcap |
| 16:44.56 | blau-mikeDG | i want to post some arbitrary data to a server i dont own and see what it sends back |
| 16:45.10 | jwm | ohh |
| 16:45.17 | jwm | hehe |
| 16:45.34 | jwm | you could do a man in the middle attack |
| 16:45.37 | blau-mikeDG | i kinda have it working, but it seems to be failing for a different server :/ |
| 16:45.54 | raeb | i'd burp it and watch the traffic go by |
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| 16:45.58 | Templarian | blau-mikeDG: what browser are you using? |
| 16:46.10 | jwm | I don't get it it sounds like you need that server to contain some script to output the data you're sending |
| 16:46.33 | imop45 | Note, on the wiki the novacom -t open tty:// the slashes do not BOLD |
| 16:46.37 | blau-mikeDG | temp: whatever browser will help |
| 16:46.43 | jwm | I found out |
| 16:46.50 | jwm | with the emulator you connect to localhost port 5522 |
| 16:46.55 | jwm | that worked great |
| 16:47.09 | Templarian | blau-mikeDG: (just making sure, because FF 3.5 upgraded to requiring cross domain policy headers). |
| 16:47.11 | blau-mikeDG | the server has that script |
| 16:47.40 | blau-mikeDG | if worse comes to worse i guess i can just put a quick tool together for myself |
| 16:48.36 | jwm | I don't quite understand what you want to do :( |
| 16:48.46 | Binary_Tech | anyone else notice after the update you can make a change to a stock application and it does not require a refresh of luna or restart? a made a few changes and they were immediately available. no restarts |
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| 16:49.15 | blau-mikeDG | i just want to treat the https connection as though its any plain old tcp server |
| 16:49.22 | blau-mikeDG | send data to it and get stuff back |
| 16:49.45 | imop45 | Yes and in the update ORANGE button and scroll scrolls sooo much better |
| 16:50.21 | Templarian | blau-mikeDG: one sec i'll go write up a really simple test case. |
| 16:50.28 | imop45 | Hey got a problem. I put in a wrong username in vreating a username in the CMD, and im on the new password page. Anyway to undo it? |
| 16:52.08 | raeb | delete him from your /etc/passwd file |
| 16:52.14 | raeb | and delete his folder from the /home directory |
| 16:52.46 | imop45 | i hit CTRL + C and restarted it |
| 16:53.43 | raeb | as soon as you add user |
| 16:53.45 | raeb | he is added |
| 16:53.49 | raeb | even if you ctrl-c at the password prompt |
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| 16:54.58 | imop45 | Hmm. oh well |
| 16:55.02 | PreMan | I have a Mojo question! |
| 16:55.15 | imop45 | Id he has no password he cant do anything right? |
| 16:55.19 | Templarian | PreMan: #webos (hehe) |
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| 16:58.04 | raeb | uhh |
| 16:58.07 | raeb | i'd think so |
| 16:58.20 | raeb | but not sure |
| 16:59.46 | imop45 | Wow... this CMD script is amazing. |
| 17:04.36 | Rick_ | thank JackieRipper it's mostly his work |
| 17:09.23 | blau-mikeDG | L( |
| 17:11.22 | imop45 | Revised to show PreBrew isnt recommended: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:_Where_to_Get_Started |
| 17:12.20 | imop45 | Which is better, quilt or optware? |
| 17:14.32 | imop45 | NVM last post |
| 17:15.28 | imop45 | Is it really neccessary to remove a patch b4 downloading an OTA update |
| 17:16.37 | Rick_ | imop45 you have to have optware in order to install quilt. |
| 17:16.45 | Rick_ | Optware is the source of all goodness |
| 17:16.57 | Rick_ | Optware is the center of our zen. |
| 17:17.07 | Rick_ | and no, it isn't |
| 17:18.00 | imop45 | Yeah ive used it in Linux b4. Its Ah-mazing. Ok, the wiki says you need to "be removed before each OTA update" |
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| 17:23.46 | destinal | Rick_: regarding the terminfo of the terminal file, if you export TERM=vt100 life becomes happy at this point |
| 17:23.55 | destinal | the default TERM=linux is all wrong |
| 17:24.22 | destinal | s/terminal file/terminal app/ |
| 17:25.42 | imop45 | el fin i believe untill an easier method is created http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:_Where_to_Get_Started |
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| 17:28.27 | imop45 | Do we have to do all of the setup steps, like making the quilt directory, etc if we ran the quilt patch? |
| 17:28.30 | imop45 | No right? |
| 17:31.10 | destinal | you can actually run full screen apps, and escape should be "orange, space" -- unfortunately one of the issues with the current version of terminal is as it scrolls it adds rows, eventually becoming a hundreds-or-thousands-of-lines terminal, which can't be a good thing :P |
| 17:31.18 | imop45 | Update on "Applying Patches" delete this "need to be removed before each OTA update" b/c it doesn't apply? |
| 17:31.41 | imop45 | Is that right? "need to be removed before each OTA update" doesn't apply to patches? |
| 17:32.07 | Templarian | imop45: You can just remove the word hacking from your article. |
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| 17:32.34 | destinal | lunch bbl |
| 17:33.05 | imop45 | I know, but those that don't know what "acessing linux" means will be useful, at the beginning at least. I'll remove all others except the first |
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| 17:34.16 | Templarian | imop45: also that is correct what it says in Apply Patches. |
| 17:34.40 | Templarian | s/apply patches/applying patches/ |
| 17:35.17 | imop45 | Oh, so you do have to reomve all of your patches b4 an OTA update? |
| 17:35.17 | Templarian | thinks so the bot is case sensitive, meh. |
| 17:35.55 | Templarian | imop45: Yea, probably due to the way that Palm Patches itself. They expect the code to be exactly how they left it. |
| 17:36.30 | Rick_ | Palm doesn't appear to patch anything |
| 17:36.36 | Rick_ | Palm appears to OVERWRITE eveyrthing |
| 17:36.40 | Rick_ | overwrite |
| 17:36.54 | Templarian | Yea, thats what I thought... meh, so what's the reasoning? |
| 17:36.58 | Rick_ | my fear is "partially left patches." |
| 17:37.05 | djk | imop45: the text in 1. Easiest is unclear. There is reference to Current method that seems to be assumed you know about it. Would it be better to simply state 'under development for Windows OS only. Mac and Linux OS use option 2.' |
| 17:37.09 | Rick_ | the patch that involved 2 files, and only one got overwritten |
| 17:37.17 | imop45 | Ah ok, a few others said you didnt have to. Also, After installing the optware/quilt patch, do you have to follow the setup steps in Applying Patches? |
| 17:38.32 | Rick_ | destinal -- did you change the terminal wiki page or do I need to???? |
| 17:38.33 | imop45 | So Rick, should that line be removed in Applying Patches that states you have to remove them all be an update? |
| 17:39.14 | imop45 | Hmm, partially left patches. ok, ill leave it :) |
| 17:43.41 | Zuchmir2 | thers'e no '|' on the pre, that also has to be dealt with in term |
| 17:44.20 | Rick_ | Zuchmir2 |
| 17:44.43 | Rick_ | Zuchmir2 destinal said that I needed to export TERM=vt100 to get the terminal to work better. |
| 17:44.46 | Rick_ | uh. |
| 17:44.49 | Rick_ | from the terminal? |
| 17:45.39 | Zuchmir2 | yeah, how to get '|'? |
| 17:46.33 | Rick_ | orange - period ? |
| 17:46.53 | Rick_ | export TERM=VT100 doesn't appear to do anything |
| 17:49.10 | en0x | right |
| 17:49.18 | Rick_ | uh |
| 17:49.23 | Rick_ | orange is control |
| 17:49.28 | Rick_ | orange + space is esc |
| 17:49.47 | Rick_ | export TERM=vt100 with vt100 lower case is better. |
| 17:49.58 | Rick_ | but nano still doesn't run right. No menu |
| 17:50.01 | Rick_ | oh well. |
| 17:50.17 | Rick_ | and my path isn't set. |
| 17:52.03 | en0x | its an early releasde |
| 17:52.07 | en0x | just be patient |
| 17:52.21 | Rick_ | trying to understand en)x |
| 17:52.23 | imop45 | Ok, so PreBrew isn't recommended right? SHould we add that to the prebrew site? |
| 17:52.25 | Rick_ | not complaining |
| 17:52.41 | Rick_ | imop45 Nothing WRONG with prebrew. |
| 17:52.43 | Rick_ | its fine. |
| 17:52.55 | Rick_ | it's just that TODAY we're still using the sdk install. |
| 17:53.03 | Rick_ | If people want to use prebrew that's fine. |
| 17:53.20 | imop45 | Oh.. rwhitby said its not recommended and to edit my page to exclude it |
| 17:53.29 | Rick_ | but _OUR_ next step is to have an installer ON THE PRE that picks up packages from the web-os-internals package feed. |
| 17:53.34 | Rick_ | Just like terminal does. |
| 17:53.50 | Rick_ | so, we would prefer that you edit your page to use the sdk install for NOW. |
| 17:54.01 | imop45 | Ah ok, i see. |
| 17:54.05 | Rick_ | recognizing that this is a VERY FLUID ENVIRONMENT |
| 17:54.07 | en0x | hhe the comic app is nice |
| 17:54.13 | Rick_ | it is yes. |
| 17:54.40 | en0x | after my request they added john and john :) aka sick comic |
| 17:54.41 | en0x | ;] |
| 17:54.56 | Rick_ | did they add schlockmercenary? |
| 17:55.31 | en0x | nah |
| 17:55.35 | Rick_ | too bad |
| 17:55.47 | en0x | i;m waiting for explosm.net to be added |
| 17:59.27 | blau-mikeDG | i hate you american express |
| 17:59.43 | imop45 | Yeah, american express sucks |
| 18:00.05 | blau-mikeDG | i cant figure out why thir server keeps giving me a 400 error |
| 18:00.08 | en0x | never had one |
| 18:00.20 | en0x | visa ftw! |
| 18:11.20 | imop45 | American express and mastercard changed their bill due dates to a few days earlier also. Wonder how many millions they made on that! |
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| 18:13.32 | imop45 | You dont have to follow hardly any setup instruction for the Applying patches if you did the quilt manager |
| 18:14.39 | en0x | imop45: my chase card extended due days by 5 days |
| 18:14.40 | en0x | :) |
| 18:14.57 | imop45 | hey i have chase! didnt notice! |
| 18:15.10 | en0x | chase ftw! |
| 18:15.15 | en0x | 7.99% fixed |
| 18:15.16 | en0x | ;] |
| 18:16.47 | Rick_ | en0x they DID add schlock |
| 18:16.49 | Rick_ | :-) |
| 18:16.51 | Rick_ | Happy feet dance |
| 18:17.27 | en0x | ;D |
| 18:18.33 | en0x | never read schlock |
| 18:18.53 | Rick_ | THE BEST sf cartoon EVER |
| 18:19.03 | Rick_ | www.schlockmercenary.com |
| 18:19.22 | Rick_ | written by the guy who used to be the head of the groupwise project at novell before he became a full time web cartoonist. |
| 18:19.36 | Rick_ | Never EVER missed a day of posting 7 days a week since 2001 |
| 18:19.48 | en0x | :) |
| 18:19.51 | en0x | not my type of comic |
| 18:19.55 | en0x | i like www.sickcomic.com |
| 18:19.56 | en0x | :) |
| 18:20.01 | en0x | tits++ |
| 18:20.58 | raeb | waaaaaterrcoooooolier |
| 18:21.11 | raeb | is there a network level access RDP client for linux, n e body know |
| 18:22.57 | imop45 | whats the hidden clock patch? |
| 18:24.23 | imop45 | And whats the purpose of not showing the true batt levels?? dont get it |
| 18:24.56 | en0x | because the battery doesnt charge 100%? |
| 18:24.57 | en0x | :> |
| 18:24.57 | en0x | only up to 97% |
| 18:25.03 | imop45 | well then thats a crappi battery! |
| 18:25.52 | imop45 | Hmm.. so will the battery patch make my phone try to charge to 100% all the time, and the damage my battery? |
| 18:26.00 | blau-mikeDG | yes |
| 18:26.48 | en0x | lol |
| 18:26.52 | en0x | it will blow |
| 18:26.53 | en0x | :p |
| 18:27.31 | imop45 | Seriously? ok, well i'm removing that patch. |
| 18:27.40 | en0x | he was joking |
| 18:27.40 | en0x | :} |
| 18:27.48 | imop45 | ok, great! phew! |
| 18:28.14 | en0x | i dont even bother to apply patches after this update |
| 18:28.19 | en0x | patches are so old school |
| 18:28.20 | en0x | :p |
| 18:28.25 | imop45 | ltm, i got a battery next to me from an old dell dj mp3 player thats blown up like a ballon |
| 18:28.43 | en0x | anyone got the amazer batt? |
| 18:28.46 | en0x | 1400mAh? |
| 18:28.51 | imop45 | ha, not for me! landscape for email without RocknRoll |
| 18:29.00 | imop45 | no, want to though |
| 18:29.09 | destinal | raeb: rdesktop |
| 18:29.16 | en0x | the other one 2800mAh is too big |
| 18:29.23 | en0x | it adds 4mm thickness to ur pre |
| 18:30.05 | imop45 | You know, some phones are too thin theyre uncomfortable |
| 18:30.06 | raeb | i dont think rdesktop supports rdpv5 |
| 18:30.09 | raeb | tsclient does tho |
| 18:30.18 | raeb | (ts client may just be a front end to rdesktop for all i know, though) |
| 18:30.39 | destinal | ah |
| 18:30.44 | destinal | tsclient = new on me |
| 18:31.23 | *** join/#webos-internals wee (i=retry@cpe-66-91-78-74.hawaii.res.rr.com) |
| 18:31.31 | psykoz | destinal, are you still doing stuff with browser plugin development at this time? |
| 18:31.37 | imop45 | hmm, not that many patches yet |
| 18:31.49 | retry | anybody upgrade to 1.1.0 yet? |
| 18:31.57 | en0x | everybody did! |
| 18:32.00 | retry | i just did and my phone is sitting forever on the palm logo screen |
| 18:32.09 | retry | which is not animated :/ |
| 18:32.10 | raeb | yeah it takes a while |
| 18:32.11 | en0x | for mine it took 5 minutes |
| 18:32.17 | retry | i'm way past 5 minutes |
| 18:32.32 | retry | more like 15 now |
| 18:32.49 | imop45 | so the BADD flashlight is a joke? |
| 18:33.06 | raeb | yeah get outta here |
| 18:33.33 | *** join/#webos-internals raeb1 (n=i7@c-67-176-112-120.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 18:33.42 | raeb | heeeyyyyyyy |
| 18:33.49 | imop45 | ok ok bye bye |
| 18:33.55 | retry | ok well if everybody else has upgraded and has optware stuff installed |
| 18:34.05 | retry | I have to assume there's nothing conflicting there |
| 18:34.10 | raeb | yep |
| 18:34.18 | raeb | i upgraded with optware installed |
| 18:34.23 | raeb | i did not have any stockmods tho |
| 18:34.35 | destinal | psykoz: yes |
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| 18:34.48 | retry | the only thing I can try to do now is pull the battery |
| 18:35.01 | psykoz | destinal, 10 word or less summary on how plugin development is going? |
| 18:35.13 | tilted | raeb: tsclient uses rdesktop as front end like you said. and rdesktop does support RDP5. |
| 18:35.24 | raeb | hey thanks tilted |
| 18:35.28 | raeb | good info |
| 18:35.31 | destinal | psykoz: I've been involved in the basicplugin / sample plugin development and then libterminal which is the core of the new native graphical terminal client (alpha version out now on preware) |
| 18:35.47 | raeb | 19 words too many |
| 18:36.01 | destinal | raeb: lol |
| 18:36.31 | retry | well that did not work |
| 18:36.37 | destinal | psykoz: we talk plugin to javascript and draw to native screenbuffer |
| 18:36.45 | destinal | that's 10 |
| 18:36.52 | tilted | raeb: had that backwards, but you know what i meant -- tsclient uses rdesktop as backend (i said frontend) |
| 18:37.09 | *** join/#webos-internals Xerran (n=MaX@ool-457e0ed6.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 18:37.25 | raeb | its a love-hate relationship |
| 18:37.34 | psykoz | destinal, cool :) sound awesome |
| 18:37.42 | psykoz | curious, becuase I've been sorta distracted past few days, what's preware? |
| 18:37.58 | Xerran | Any of you guys notice severe battery drain after the 1.1 update? |
| 18:38.09 | destinal | psykoz: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal |
| 18:38.22 | raeb | xerran: no, exact opposite in fact, i'm still above half cap |
| 18:38.25 | destinal | psykoz: it's got the installing preware steps |
| 18:38.31 | raeb | whe before the update, at this time of the day, i'd be at 1/4th left |
| 18:38.37 | PuffTheMagic | psykoz: preware is palm pre applications |
| 18:38.50 | raeb | preware is an ipkg package feed |
| 18:39.00 | en0x | Xerran: my pre was running half a day with screen on and wifi |
| 18:39.07 | en0x | on webos 1.1.0 |
| 18:39.09 | psykoz | destinal, thanks |
| 18:39.09 | destinal | psykoz: the source code for all our work is on the webos-internals applications gitorious repository also |
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| 18:39.36 | Xerran | maybe i will do the web Doctor |
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| 18:40.21 | raeb | web doc installs 1.0.3 rite? |
| 18:40.25 | en0x | .4 |
| 18:40.28 | raeb | or did they update the doc to 1.1.0 ? |
| 18:40.29 | raeb | ah |
| 18:40.42 | en0x | idk if they updated it yet |
| 18:40.43 | Rick_ | not updated yet |
| 18:41.07 | en0x | anyway i havent used the web doctor yet |
| 18:41.07 | en0x | ;) |
| 18:41.25 | destinal | en0x: get your factory test image first then |
| 18:41.30 | destinal | picture |
| 18:41.38 | en0x | oh i should |
| 18:41.45 | en0x | always forgot about it |
| 18:41.46 | en0x | ;} |
| 18:41.56 | raeb | :( |
| 18:42.07 | destinal | I doctored mine before realizing it was there |
| 18:42.17 | destinal | alas |
| 18:42.20 | raeb | dito |
| 18:42.24 | raeb | on your advice tho |
| 18:42.26 | raeb | :p |
| 18:42.37 | blau-mikeDG | i did that to mine too |
| 18:42.38 | blau-mikeDG | lol |
| 18:43.14 | tilted | what's the factory test image? |
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| 18:44.14 | raeb | i wish there was a cute pre girl like the cute iphone girl |
| 18:44.19 | psykoz | tilted, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Pictures_from_Self-Test |
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| 18:44.35 | en0x | hmm |
| 18:44.44 | en0x | -sh: cd: can't cd to /var/log/hwtest |
| 18:44.50 | en0x | :( no hwtest directory :( |
| 18:44.53 | Xerran | sucks that i need a serial number to download the Doctor |
| 18:44.54 | Xerran | lol |
| 18:45.02 | en0x | Xerran: info app |
| 18:45.05 | en0x | and there u have it |
| 18:45.09 | destinal | en0x: I wonder if one of the updates nuked it then |
| 18:45.28 | en0x | probably did |
| 18:45.29 | blau-mikeDG | haha yeah |
| 18:45.36 | Xerran | good point |
| 18:45.38 | blau-mikeDG | i need to write my serial down |
| 18:45.38 | raeb | or palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre_p100eww/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar |
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| 18:45.48 | raeb | (unless its a violtation to give that link?) |
| 18:46.14 | en0x | lol |
| 18:46.15 | destinal | raeb: no violation, its fine, but I tend to give out: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions |
| 18:46.16 | en0x | Thu Jul 2 21:10:30 EDT 2009 |
| 18:46.20 | en0x | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.23 | en0x | nice palm! |
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| 18:46.53 | raeb | rofl |
| 18:46.55 | raeb | old palm |
| 18:47.04 | destinal | en0x: so they've kept the pre secret, all these years, never fsck'ing it either |
| 18:47.05 | raeb | epoch palm |
| 18:47.20 | destinal | really impressive |
| 18:47.33 | en0x | destinal: hbehehe thats what it says in logs :P |
| 18:47.48 | raeb | actually epoch was 3492 days ago i think |
| 18:48.01 | en0x | 3471 days gives you 9 yrs? |
| 18:48.12 | raeb | hmm |
| 18:48.20 | raeb | unless my epoch is 2000 |
| 18:48.47 | en0x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:49.22 | destinal | $ echo "scale=3; `date +%s` / 60 / 60 / 24 / 365"|bc |
| 18:49.22 | destinal | 39.588 |
| 18:49.33 | destinal | a lot more years since epoch |
| 18:49.42 | destinal | 1248461329 seconds |
| 18:49.56 | psykoz | destinal, wow, I am impressed with the terminal app so far, that's nice |
| 18:49.57 | raeb | 3471 days ago was jan 22, 2000 |
| 18:49.58 | en0x | few months back it was 1234567890 seconds |
| 18:49.59 | en0x | :) |
| 18:50.35 | raeb | couple of weeks ago it as 12:34:56 7/8/9 |
| 18:50.42 | en0x | :) |
| 18:51.21 | destinal | psykoz: yeah, we have a few different people contributing to it, though it still has some bugs and needed features.. early alpha quality |
| 18:52.23 | psykoz | any official task lists or bug tracking for it yet? |
| 18:52.32 | en0x | can i tweet about terminal app? |
| 18:52.33 | en0x | :) |
| 18:52.35 | destinal | psykoz: all needed if you know a good way to do it |
| 18:53.02 | destinal | en0x: this is all public info, shout it from the rooftops. :) nobody said term is stable, but the more the merrier |
| 18:53.17 | en0x | destinal: rwhitby said to not tell anyopne :( |
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| 18:53.26 | destinal | en0x: really, when? |
| 18:54.22 | destinal | he put it on preware and the wiki this morning and talked about it in this channel , so I doubt it's meant to be a secret |
| 18:54.22 | psykoz | well I prefer things like JIRA for project/task/bug management but it's obvious enterprise grade stuff, but there's things like bugzilla I suppose which are opensource/free, not quite as good as fogbugz (but that costs money) |
| 18:54.22 | raeb | information wants to be free |
| 18:54.45 | destinal | and all the source code is in our public repository |
| 18:54.49 | raeb | ya |
| 18:55.08 | en0x | destinal: today |
| 18:55.30 | psykoz | who owns preware.org? |
| 18:55.56 | destinal | psykoz: it's for this group, rod registered it |
| 18:56.00 | raeb | rwhitby said that we're the real heroes |
| 18:56.06 | destinal | :) |
| 18:56.14 | randallagordon | has anyone tinkered with bumping up the accelerometer's polling interval yet? |
| 18:56.22 | ka6sox | yup, he just facilitates. |
| 18:56.35 | raeb | mmmmm |
| 18:56.43 | raeb | he optware guy |
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| 18:57.25 | randallagordon | changing the value of /sys/class/input/input5/poll_interval doesn't seem to do a damn thing...at least at the mojo level |
| 18:58.13 | destinal | en0x: it's on the wiki, I can't see any harm talking about it |
| 18:58.39 | destinal | we released it publicly on purpose |
| 18:58.49 | destinal | it's an alpha, but a release nonetheless |
| 18:59.16 | raeb | i agree |
| 18:59.20 | en0x | :P |
| 18:59.41 | ka6sox | eno works tirelessly on Optware. He is the unsung hero keeping it working. |
| 18:59.51 | destinal | ~eno |
| 18:59.52 | infobot | i heard eno is like, the coolest |
| 19:00.00 | raeb | lol |
| 19:00.04 | raeb | lies |
| 19:00.06 | summatusmentis | infobot is a valley girl? |
| 19:00.11 | summatusmentis | :-/ |
| 19:00.13 | destinal | ~no, eno works tirelessly on Optware. He is the unsung hero keeping it working. |
| 19:00.20 | raeb | ~infobot |
| 19:00.21 | infobot | infobot is, like, a hack!, or known to have only said one useful thing. a tool, or dating the fembots, or [TK]D-Fender's b*tch, or suck, or a pain in the ass |
| 19:00.24 | destinal | ~eno |
| 19:00.25 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, eno is like, the coolest |
| 19:00.32 | destinal | needs to rtfm |
| 19:00.41 | ka6sox | sigh |
| 19:00.52 | raeb | lmao |
| 19:01.07 | summatusmentis | infobot: forget eno |
| 19:01.07 | infobot | summatusmentis: i forgot eno |
| 19:01.26 | summatusmentis | infobot: learn eno as works tirelessly on Optware. He is the unsung hero keeping it working |
| 19:01.27 | infobot | summatusmentis: I think you lost me on that one |
| 19:01.45 | summatusmentis | infobot: learn eno works tirelessly on Optware. He is the unsung hero keeping it working |
| 19:01.46 | infobot | summatusmentis: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 19:01.52 | summatusmentis | I quit, someone fix it |
| 19:02.05 | psykoz | destinal, is terminal running as root or another unprivileged user? |
| 19:02.12 | destinal | psykoz: root |
| 19:02.20 | destinal | everything runs as root |
| 19:03.36 | destinal | ~terminal |
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| 19:03.45 | summatusmentis | ~eno |
| 19:03.46 | infobot | i guess eno is works tirelessly on Optware. He is the unsung hero keeping it working |
| 19:03.50 | summatusmentis | there |
| 19:03.51 | destinal | heh |
| 19:03.52 | raeb | lol |
| 19:03.59 | summatusmentis | except, not quite |
| 19:03.59 | raeb | yay for eno |
| 19:04.09 | destinal | ~terminal |
| 19:04.17 | raeb | although |
| 19:04.20 | raeb | by putting him in infobot |
| 19:04.20 | summatusmentis | you have to assign something to the trigger |
| 19:04.22 | psykoz | saying hello from not colored irssi |
| 19:04.27 | raeb | you're kinda invalidating the 'unsung' part |
| 19:04.34 | destinal | psykoz: awesome |
| 19:04.48 | destinal | raeb: nah, cause nobody will ever ask |
| 19:04.52 | destinal | :P |
| 19:04.54 | psykoz | okay couldn't take that anymore ;) |
| 19:04.58 | raeb | hah |
| 19:05.07 | destinal | psykoz: alpha, very alpha |
| 19:05.12 | psykoz | nod |
| 19:05.22 | destinal | did you export TERM=vt100 ? |
| 19:05.31 | summatusmentis | infobot: terminal is very, very alpha, but can be found at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal |
| 19:05.32 | infobot | okay, summatusmentis |
| 19:05.35 | summatusmentis | ~terminal |
| 19:05.36 | infobot | it has been said that terminal is very, very alpha, but can be found at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal |
| 19:05.45 | Xerran | brb..runnign the Doctor |
| 19:05.46 | summatusmentis | destinal: good enough? |
| 19:05.51 | destinal | summatusmentis: cool |
| 19:05.56 | Xerran | *running |
| 19:06.08 | destinal | ~irc |
| 19:06.09 | infobot | rumour has it, irc is a protocol, aka "Internet Relay Chat". It consisists of IRC servers, and clients. The clients send messages to the servers, which in turn relay the messages to other clients as it sees fit (via a private message, open channel,RAW commands to the server directly). |
| 19:06.20 | destinal | ~freenode |
| 19:06.21 | infobot | http://freenode.net/ |
| 19:06.23 | raeb | bah thats just a rumor |
| 19:06.32 | destinal | raeb: lol |
| 19:06.52 | destinal | infobot: freenode is also the bomb. |
| 19:06.53 | infobot | destinal: okay |
| 19:07.00 | destinal | ~freenode |
| 19:07.01 | infobot | http://freenode.net/, or the bomb. |
| 19:07.14 | raeb | kaboom |
| 19:07.54 | summatusmentis | isn't sure how much longer he can hold out without a webos device |
| 19:08.00 | summatusmentis | I want pixie to be announced |
| 19:08.09 | summatusmentis | at the very least |
| 19:08.10 | psykoz | testting vt100 now |
| 19:08.21 | destinal | infobot: freenode is also where you are, man. |
| 19:08.22 | infobot | okay, destinal |
| 19:08.22 | psykoz | seems okay :) |
| 19:08.41 | psykoz | is there a key for escape or alt meta |
| 19:08.43 | psykoz | ? |
| 19:08.52 | destinal | escape is orange then space |
| 19:09.07 | destinal | sym is control |
| 19:10.18 | destinal | I have no alt / meta or other random modifier key |
| 19:10.31 | destinal | with apologies to emacs |
| 19:10.32 | summatusmentis | have we figured out how to capture gestures yet? |
| 19:10.50 | raeb | summasomthing: that should be ez |
| 19:10.57 | psykoz | well escape is fine since it works the same in irssi ;) |
| 19:11.01 | en0x | http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/194662-gdial-0-1-beta-google-voice-dialer.html seen it? :> |
| 19:11.09 | raeb | WAT! |
| 19:11.12 | raeb | gvoice dialier!!! |
| 19:11.19 | summatusmentis | raeb: well do it :) |
| 19:11.19 | destinal | ~emacs |
| 19:11.20 | infobot | methinks emacs is as useless as vim if you don't wanna learn it |
| 19:11.20 | raeb | *click* |
| 19:11.49 | Xerran | with WebOS Doctor you use the just charge option right? |
| 19:11.55 | destinal | infobot: emacs is also an excellent reason to grow a third hand. |
| 19:11.55 | infobot | ACTION C-M-<Shift>-^[-nuke's is also an excellent reason to grow a third hand. |
| 19:12.07 | raeb | en0x: im guessing this isn't mod to existing gvoice |
| 19:12.18 | raeb | i was hoping to have buttons for like 'listenin' and 'send to voicemail' |
| 19:12.34 | raeb | s/existing gvoice/existing dialer/ |
| 19:13.11 | destinal | infobot: no botsnack, work on memory enhancement. |
| 19:13.11 | infobot | destinal: aw, gee |
| 19:14.05 | raeb | destinal: im |
| 19:14.27 | tilted | Is there a public photo album somewhere that everyone could post their factory test image? Might be cool |
| 19:15.16 | psykoz | think there was a thread on precentral forums already for this |
| 19:15.51 | tilted | good call, i'll look there |
| 19:16.38 | raeb | says palm about apple breaking itunes sync: "palm believes that openness and interoperability offer better experiences for users......on behalf of conumsers, we have notified the USB Implementers Form of what we believe is improper use [by apple] of the Vendor ID" |
| 19:16.57 | raeb | talk about pokin the bear |
| 19:17.13 | en0x | apple will sue |
| 19:17.33 | psykoz | Apple won't sue |
| 19:17.34 | psykoz | bad PR |
| 19:17.41 | raeb | aren't they already threatening to sue because of multitouch on the pre |
| 19:17.49 | psykoz | and could be a bad turn around for them in terms of interoperability/DMCA precedent |
| 19:18.05 | en0x | multitouch been there since 80s |
| 19:18.19 | psykoz | raeb, Apple and Palm have a variety of patents covering issues both companies could unload on each other |
| 19:18.24 | en0x | anyway how can u patent a fking gesture |
| 19:18.24 | en0x | :S |
| 19:18.26 | psykoz | raeb, it seems to be mutual self destruction in that war |
| 19:18.31 | raeb | indeed |
| 19:18.37 | en0x | usa patenting law suck |
| 19:18.42 | psykoz | en0x, you should see Gemstar's patent on rectangular display of tv guide data |
| 19:20.08 | en0x | i dont get one thing with the mods of apps and stylesheet |
| 19:20.44 | en0x | why they are saying that you need to add some css code at this and this line? the whole css is loading at once so you can add your css code at the bottom |
| 19:20.54 | en0x | it doesnt matter where u add it \ |
| 19:20.55 | en0x | hmm |
| 19:21.01 | raeb | unless you're overriding a rule |
| 19:21.05 | raeb | but putting it at the bottom is safe |
| 19:21.44 | Xerran | Palm needs to fix their steps |
| 19:21.57 | en0x | overriging is a different thing adding custom css rules is different |
| 19:22.20 | Xerran | Does the WebOS Doctor tell you when to plug in via USB? |
| 19:22.50 | czarphanguye | Xerran: don't think so |
| 19:23.20 | Xerran | so just plug it in and hit next? or do i have to hit charge only also? |
| 19:23.50 | czarphanguye | plug it in, set to charge, then press next |
| 19:23.56 | Xerran | thx |
| 19:24.13 | psykoz | en0x, Gemstar basically has the tvguide format patented through several hundred pages of patents, literally you can not publish television guide data, or display it on a screen (ie: tivo/sage tv/beyond btv/microsoft media center) unless you pay a royalty to Gemstar |
| 19:24.25 | psykoz | en0x, effectively they've patented the spreadsheet display of television guide information |
| 19:24.57 | en0x | lol |
| 19:25.03 | en0x | this can only happen in USA! |
| 19:25.08 | psykoz | en0x, nod |
| 19:27.09 | Rick_ | that can only last 15 years. It has to be almost expired. |
| 19:28.22 | scsinutz | Anyone know where I can get an unlocked Pre? |
| 19:28.30 | en0x | u cant ;( |
| 19:28.32 | Eguy | Really? |
| 19:28.37 | Eguy | Was the question a joke |
| 19:28.40 | Eguy | that* |
| 19:29.05 | Xerran | You guys want to see something a little off topic but extremely cool? |
| 19:29.19 | Eguy | watercooler channel |
| 19:29.36 | en0x | jhehe |
| 19:29.55 | Xerran | http://gizmodo.com/5322100/this-is-exactly-what-touchscreen-surfaces-were-invented-for |
| 19:30.50 | en0x | Xerran: cool stuff |
| 19:31.10 | Xerran | hell ya, a new way to play RTS :P |
| 19:31.14 | en0x | i thought that they will release flash with 1.1.0 :( |
| 19:31.24 | Eguy | Nah |
| 19:31.29 | Xerran | I heard Flash beta willbe in October |
| 19:31.29 | Eguy | They said end of the year |
| 19:31.45 | en0x | yes but there is never enough suprises |
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| 19:32.06 | Eguy | haha |
| 19:32.19 | Eguy | The release date was a surprise for me ;) |
| 19:32.26 | en0x | hehe |
| 19:33.07 | Xerran | Flash = HULU happy times on Pre |
| 19:33.13 | Eguy | yep |
| 19:33.14 | en0x | yap yap |
| 19:34.12 | Xerran | Also we will be able to go to YouTube via the browser instead of the workaround app |
| 19:34.28 | scsinutz | Will it be a lite version of Flash? |
| 19:34.48 | Xerran | not sure |
| 19:34.54 | Eguy | From what we heard it is full flash 10 |
| 19:35.08 | Xerran | wowzers, are you serious? |
| 19:35.27 | Eguy | That's what I have read |
| 19:35.37 | scsinutz | Thats awesome if its the FULL version |
| 19:36.04 | scsinutz | That would really kill the iPhone |
| 19:36.13 | Xerran | Actually, i dunno why i said wowzers. Flash exe is only 1.97MB |
| 19:36.14 | Xerran | lol |
| 19:37.38 | Eguy | Apple stuff dies from flash anyway ;) |
| 19:37.50 | sepisultrum | flash sucks |
| 19:38.02 | sepisultrum | html5 video ftw |
| 19:38.23 | Xerran | I prefer flash video to WMV or quicktime |
| 19:38.46 | sepisultrum | lol, wmv or quicktime are so 2000 ;) |
| 19:38.48 | Xerran | html5 is the open source video right? |
| 19:39.01 | jwm | umm |
| 19:39.04 | Xerran | the one th ejust integrated into FF? |
| 19:39.06 | jwm | it's in html 5 spec |
| 19:39.18 | jwm | as are other things like sql database |
| 19:39.27 | Xerran | the one they just integrated in Firefox 3.5 |
| 19:40.39 | sepisultrum | actually video does not specify a codec nor container format |
| 19:40.42 | sepisultrum | unfortuately |
| 19:40.53 | sepisultrum | because apple did not like ogg therora |
| 19:40.58 | sepisultrum | bastards |
| 19:41.04 | Xerran | http://www.precentral.net/how-about-command-line-terminal-your-pre |
| 19:41.08 | asedeno_work | ! |
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| 19:41.58 | sepisultrum | Xerran: I like ! |
| 19:42.00 | sepisultrum | nice |
| 19:43.10 | Zuchmir2 | just fixed the cursor in term |
| 19:43.11 | retry | yes apple/google ruined html5 video |
| 19:43.16 | retry | by embracing h.264 |
| 19:43.21 | Zuchmir2 | ... and uploaded |
| 19:43.23 | retry | so it's png vs gif all over again |
| 19:43.59 | destinal | Zuchmir2: oh, the scrolling cursor detachment issue |
| 19:44.10 | czarphanguye | Real terminal on pre? Awesome |
| 19:44.38 | Xerran | It's been my week this week, Catalyst 9.7 and WebOS 1.1 all in the same day. |
| 19:45.00 | sepisultrum | catalyst form linux? |
| 19:45.02 | sepisultrum | for |
| 19:45.04 | Zuchmir2 | destinal: yeah! |
| 19:45.07 | Xerran | Linux too |
| 19:45.25 | Xerran | I have Catalyst 9.7 installed in Vista x64 and Ubuntu x64 |
| 19:45.36 | sepisultrum | I wonder if it fixes that issue with ge graphics card not working after detaching the power of my laptop |
| 19:45.47 | destinal | hmm, the commit list for the applications repo isn't very accurate to say who worked on term. |
| 19:45.49 | Xerran | could not tell you that |
| 19:45.59 | destinal | lost of stuff in the applications repo that has nothing to do with us |
| 19:46.07 | destinal | s/lost/lots/ |
| 19:46.51 | destinal | their scary black screen screenshot is cute though. |
| 19:47.00 | Xerran | AMD sources say they will be shipping DirectX 11 GPU's within 7 weeks |
| 19:47.28 | Eguy | ewww ati |
| 19:47.30 | Eguy | fail |
| 19:47.39 | Xerran | hey hey hey |
| 19:47.40 | Xerran | lol |
| 19:47.58 | Eguy | Their hardware is so lousy |
| 19:48.04 | Eguy | and drivers are worse |
| 19:48.05 | Xerran | My wife picked it up for me to replace my old 8800GT's |
| 19:48.19 | Xerran | Drivers are no issue now |
| 19:48.53 | Xerran | they fixed the driver issues back in 2005 |
| 19:49.03 | Eguy | Nah |
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| 19:49.09 | Eguy | I have ATI drivers on my laptop |
| 19:49.13 | Eguy | They are horrible |
| 19:49.30 | Xerran | I have two boxes here, one is nVidia based and th eother is AMD/ATi |
| 19:49.42 | Xerran | how old is th elaptop? |
| 19:49.47 | Xerran | *the |
| 19:49.51 | Eguy | 08 |
| 19:49.57 | Xerran | ok |
| 19:50.07 | jwm | hehe |
| 19:50.15 | jwm | drivers are still an issue with ati |
| 19:50.15 | Xerran | I know they kicked legacy support to the curb |
| 19:50.19 | jwm | Ihate how people keep saying they aren't |
| 19:50.25 | Zuchmir2 | destinal: the pixbuf stuff has to be fixed to get better speed when "flicking" / scrolling |
| 19:50.35 | Xerran | Well for me, I have no issues |
| 19:50.39 | Eguy | Is there any difference in pdf landscape |
| 19:50.42 | Eguy | in 1.l1 |
| 19:50.48 | Eguy | My broke |
| 19:50.55 | Zuchmir2 | also have to figure out how to get the viewport in sync with where you type |
| 19:51.25 | Zuchmir2 | ie when user types, it should make sure the cursor is in focus |
| 19:51.54 | Eguy | I am so happy windows 7 rtm'd |
| 19:52.15 | Xerran | i git mine mine pre-ordered for the $99 deal |
| 19:52.23 | raeb | im getting mine for 250 |
| 19:52.42 | Xerran | Pro? |
| 19:52.56 | raeb | tech net plus :D |
| 19:53.09 | raeb | so all microsoft software (except visual studio) |
| 19:53.16 | Xerran | heh |
| 19:53.31 | Xerran | mine is th eupgrade version though |
| 19:53.37 | Xerran | *the |
| 19:55.22 | Xerran | As of right now i have 22 games on my Vista installation and have no issues with radeon drivers |
| 19:55.36 | Xerran | quite a few DX10 titles too |
| 19:58.56 | Xerran | wth?..they say it can take 15 mintes to load drivers for WebOS Doctor. |
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| 19:59.25 | Zuchmir2 | gtg |
| 19:59.30 | Xerran | bye |
| 20:00.45 | Xerran | rebooting bbl |
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| 20:31.23 | raeb | anbody interested in developing .net applications for the pre ? |
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| 20:33.38 | tmzt | with mono? |
| 20:33.49 | raeb | yeah, but probably without requiring mono to be installed on the device |
| 20:34.03 | raeb | (aot compilation) |
| 20:34.51 | raeb | it seems pretty straightforward, i've gotten dbus libraries in .net, so u can communicate with mojo apps |
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| 20:41.40 | tmzt | raeb: how will ui work? |
| 20:42.16 | gkatsev | cool, we could port gnome-do to the pre, lol |
| 20:42.45 | tmzt | can't you do that with mojo, work it in to "universal search" |
| 20:43.04 | tmzt | that's what I was hoping from webos anyway, a keyboard driver mobile os |
| 20:43.33 | gkatsev | yeah, except if you open the keyboard one time too many, the screen falls off |
| 20:43.37 | gkatsev | lol |
| 20:46.13 | tmzt | oh? |
| 20:46.29 | Templarian | raeb: I would be very. |
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| 20:47.30 | Templarian | raeb: (javascripts awesome, but it's no c# for ease of use and development). |
| 20:47.47 | destinal | javascript + c# = win> |
| 20:47.48 | destinal | ? |
| 20:48.01 | Templarian | no c# syntax not actual .net |
| 20:48.12 | Templarian | destinal: mono is awesome! |
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| 20:48.20 | destinal | So I hear |
| 20:48.23 | tmzt | so you would have to add it to webkit |
| 20:48.46 | joesmith | you know what I would like to see on my pre squid |
| 20:48.48 | joesmith | http://www.squid-cache.org/ |
| 20:49.00 | Templarian | tmzt: technically, but I think treating the widgets as controls could work. |
| 20:49.00 | joesmith | I have no idea how to do it though |
| 20:49.24 | destinal | joesmith: I'm sure you could just install it |
| 20:49.28 | destinal | from optware |
| 20:49.45 | destinal | but then you'd have to set up creative iptables rules to redirect your traffic to it transparently |
| 20:50.13 | joesmith | which I have no idea how to do |
| 20:50.16 | destinal | and why, really? squid is a caching proxy, but your browser has its own cache |
| 20:50.45 | joesmith | I would like it, to monnitor and log web access if my phone were to be used as a M0d3m |
| 20:51.00 | joesmith | oops I said a taboo |
| 20:51.39 | destinal | joesmith: using your PC as a pre router is even better, I need to write up that reverse tethering article soon. |
| 20:51.44 | destinal | :P |
| 20:51.49 | joesmith | lol |
| 20:52.04 | joesmith | well you understand what I mean |
| 20:52.09 | tmzt | joesmith: you could probably use iptables targets to count |
| 20:52.25 | destinal | or you could put a netflow agent on your local machine |
| 20:52.26 | tmzt | so you wouldn't even need squid for that |
| 20:52.29 | destinal | on the pre |
| 20:52.46 | destinal | or maybe just something to pull the kernel traffic counters |
| 20:52.59 | joesmith | I want it if someone is using my pre, on thier laptop |
| 20:53.19 | joesmith | I just dont want my pre doing bad things |
| 20:53.34 | joesmith | and I like to share |
| 20:53.51 | joesmith | I just want a handle on it, and quid would be cool |
| 20:56.34 | joesmith | or maybe something like nufw |
| 21:00.53 | joesmith | also squid would be nice to monitor bandwidth |
| 21:04.41 | joesmith | I think a proxy/acl app like squid would be kickass, for instance log sites visited, block naughty sites (ie www.apple.com) and monitor bandwidth consumed |
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| 21:09.12 | tmzt | you wouldn't have webos without Apple's investment in webkit |
| 21:10.07 | joesmith | :D only joking |
| 21:10.41 | joesmith | I semi <3 apple, but I like to make fun of them more |
| 21:13.49 | tmzt | they just reported half of Macs are to new customers, interesting |
| 21:14.35 | tmzt | hey, okay. there's a lot of irrational statments around this area though, but it's really offtopic |
| 21:15.18 | hemna | anyone install 1.1.0 yet? |
| 21:15.36 | tmzt | a few people here |
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| 21:16.44 | PreCat | I have a question about the LIST widget |
| 21:17.23 | PreCat | can anyone answer? |
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| 21:22.27 | oc80z | hmm? |
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| 21:24.35 | Garrett92 | hello, I saw a post on Precentral about running the SDK on Vista 64-bit and it said to come here if it was working |
| 21:25.07 | oc80z | ..yea |
| 21:25.17 | oc80z | its real easy, follow the site in teh topic |
| 21:25.23 | Garrett92 | I have a Vista 64-bit laptop and it's working fine. I even did that little test on the post and I got root@castle |
| 21:25.27 | CIA-35 | bzhou * r10489 optware/trunk/ (Makefile make/werc.mk sources/werc/ sources/werc/path.patch): werc: a sane web anti-framework. Added & promoted |
| 21:25.47 | oc80z | yea follow up w/ the wiki site, if u have any q |
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| 21:27.19 | DarthPooh | ello all |
| 21:27.39 | joesmith | heya |
| 21:27.42 | Garrett92 | i dont have any questions about it, Rick_ said to come here if I had the SDK working fine on Vista 64bit |
| 21:27.53 | DarthPooh | Does the download from browser quilt work? |
| 21:28.06 | joesmith | pooh did 1.1.0 ever work for you |
| 21:28.19 | oc80z | yeah u should hang out here. |
| 21:28.23 | DarthPooh | lol... got a new pre this morning... with 1.1.0 perfect |
| 21:28.31 | joesmith | sweet |
| 21:28.31 | DarthPooh | less oreo effect too |
| 21:28.45 | oc80z | naaice. |
| 21:28.50 | joesmith | what is the orea effect anyway? |
| 21:29.21 | DarthPooh | none of my computers could get past 84% with the webOS doc, I believe I am the first person to ever really BORK a pre beyond repair :) |
| 21:29.27 | DarthPooh | oreo effect is when the top half moves side to side or twists a lil too much |
| 21:29.47 | tmzt | interesting |
| 21:30.02 | tmzt | but doctor is a little more than bootloader, if you can still boot you should be able to recover |
| 21:30.18 | joesmith | does 1 mm count as too much |
| 21:30.24 | joesmith | should I be worried |
| 21:31.21 | oc80z | dont worry |
| 21:32.41 | oc80z | worry about overclocking the silicon over a hundred degrees. |
| 21:33.23 | joesmith | I am digging the new notification sound (I dont want to stab my eardrums with a pencil now) |
| 21:34.28 | Rick_ | Garrett92 |
| 21:34.33 | Rick_ | you still here>? |
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| 21:34.38 | Rick_ | Garrett92 |
| 21:34.48 | Garrett92 | yes? |
| 21:35.02 | Rick_ | so, what did you do to install the sdk for vista64?> |
| 21:35.22 | Garrett92 | nothing special, everything worked perfectly |
| 21:35.35 | Rick_ | oh geee... that helps not so much. |
| 21:35.45 | Garrett92 | it wasnt working right until i installed the JDK 64bit tho |
| 21:35.52 | Garrett92 | im sorry... |
| 21:35.56 | Rick_ | Garrett92 you just dowloaded the sdk, ran the install, and it worked? |
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| 21:36.07 | Rick_ | ok, you had to install 64 bit java... |
| 21:36.22 | Garrett92 | yea, before i did that it wouldnt work at all |
| 21:36.27 | Rick_ | ok |
| 21:36.34 | Rick_ | and the novacom just works for you? |
| 21:36.48 | Rick_ | had you had any version of the sdk prior to the original release? |
| 21:36.49 | Garrett92 | yea, i did that little test on your post and got root@castle |
| 21:36.58 | Rick_ | cool beans Garrett92 |
| 21:37.08 | joesmith | HOT DOG! |
| 21:37.21 | Rick_ | Garrett92 let me double double check one thing. |
| 21:37.29 | Garrett92 | no, i was in the process of downloading the leaked one when i saw that it was officially reeleased by Palm |
| 21:37.38 | Rick_ | right. |
| 21:37.42 | Rick_ | that's what I wanted to know. |
| 21:37.47 | Garrett92 | so i canceled the dl of the leaked one and got the official version |
| 21:37.48 | Rick_ | oky dokey. |
| 21:38.17 | Garrett92 | need to know anything else? |
| 21:38.30 | Rick_ | joesmith what? |
| 21:38.49 | Kaerey | Rick_ I just saw your post as well I've got it at home running just fine |
| 21:39.35 | joesmith | argh I cant make sprint say failzor on the carrier string :( |
| 21:39.57 | joesmith | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Change_Carrier_String |
| 21:41.42 | Garrett92 | also I installed my SDK to C:\Palm instead of Program Files(x86), in case that matters or not |
| 21:41.54 | destinal | for those of you who have tried the new terminal program, what are the most important problems you've encountered, and also what keys do you really need that aren't enterable at the moment? |
| 21:42.20 | Kaerey | destinal: typing exit doesnt' close the app, it does something else that confused me |
| 21:42.34 | Rick_ | Garrett92 it might. |
| 21:42.34 | tmzt | "they're running multiple appliations at the same time", wow what a feature! |
| 21:42.38 | joesmith | I would like a terminal to log into my pf |
| 21:42.40 | Rick_ | I'll put that in the instructions. |
| 21:42.46 | destinal | Kaerey: that will probably stay the same, you need to hit center button and flick it away to close |
| 21:42.49 | tmzt | joesmith: pf? |
| 21:43.44 | Kaerey | destinal: yeah I figured that out |
| 21:43.44 | tmzt | destinal: what is that? |
| 21:43.44 | Kaerey | Rick_ I have it installed to Program Files (x86) and it works fine |
| 21:43.44 | joesmith | to ssh into my packet filter |
| 21:43.44 | Rick_ | Kaerey -- did you install to program files or to c:\palm? |
| 21:43.48 | Kaerey | Program Files (x86) |
| 21:44.04 | JackieRipper | Hello |
| 21:44.09 | Rick_ | Kaerey, and you're on vista 64??? |
| 21:44.13 | Kaerey | Yep |
| 21:44.15 | tmzt | destinal: I'm not sure I agree, I know windows does that when you run an application in terminal, but I expect the terminal to exit when exiting the shell |
| 21:44.20 | Rick_ | weird. |
| 21:44.26 | tmzt | I guess if not other card does that it makes sense |
| 21:44.33 | Rick_ | Kaerey had you had a copy of the old leaked sdk? |
| 21:44.34 | JackieRipper | the terminal app is awsome! Kudos to all who worked on it |
| 21:44.41 | Kaerey | Rick: Nope. |
| 21:44.55 | Rick_ | Kaerey I'm starting to think that may be key. |
| 21:44.57 | tmzt | or if it reinforces the ui/interface of the Pre/Webos it makes sense |
| 21:45.19 | Rick_ | JackieRipper if you would consider scripting the terminal install, that would be a good thing..... |
| 21:45.24 | JackieRipper | sure |
| 21:45.26 | joesmith | amy chance of getting the terminal to morph into a ssh client |
| 21:45.26 | Kaerey | Don't know why it would be key any smart person would uninstall the old one first |
| 21:45.29 | Rick_ | the installation process is "kind of a lot of typing." |
| 21:45.43 | Rick_ | Kaerey -- think about what you just said..... |
| 21:45.52 | joesmith | btw awesome work |
| 21:45.57 | Kaerey | ..... IR SMURT |
| 21:46.36 | Rick_ | Kaerey and that often results in mapping the thinking processes of others .... poorly. |
| 21:46.40 | Kaerey | I did have safari already installed, and 32bit and 64bit Java |
| 21:46.51 | Kaerey | So I just installed virtual box and the SDK |
| 21:47.03 | Garrett92 | I installed Safari before instaling the SDK as well |
| 21:47.12 | Rick_ | ok |
| 21:47.19 | Rick_ | I'm going to try a write up. |
| 21:47.19 | Garrett92 | since the Palm page said todo it lol |
| 21:47.22 | JackieRipper | I was wondering... is there any way to do special characters in the terminal? i.e. {}[]<>\`~ Some of those are rather useful |
| 21:47.33 | JackieRipper | or is that on the to-do list? |
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| 21:48.18 | Rick_ | Which is going to involve uninstalling the sdk, uninstalling novacomm, runing a regedit and checking that novacom does not appear anywhere, installing safari 4, java 32, java64, virtualbox and then rebooting and then install the sdk. |
| 21:48.22 | Rick_ | sound right? |
| 21:48.26 | DarthPooh | has anyone tried the download from browser patch on 1.1.0? |
| 21:48.36 | Rick_ | we werejust discussing that. |
| 21:48.44 | Garrett92 | sounds good to me |
| 21:48.45 | Rick_ | in particular | |
| 21:49.13 | Rick_ | DarthPooh not that I know of. |
| 21:49.13 | Kaerey | Rick: I didn't uninstall novacomm when installing the SDK |
| 21:49.24 | Rick_ | Kaerey, did you HAVE novacom before? |
| 21:49.35 | JackieRipper | Rick_: I'll see if I can get something out there for review in a few minutes |
| 21:49.38 | Rick_ | because if you did, it might have stayed in from a previous install. |
| 21:49.40 | DarthPooh | Rick_, its a big one to try... wonder if I should give it a go? |
| 21:49.42 | Kaerey | Yeah from gaining root access from the webOSDr |
| 21:49.51 | Rick_ | well.... |
| 21:50.11 | Rick_ | then Kaerey, how do we tell which novacom is there now? |
| 21:50.13 | DarthPooh | maybe I should apply it on the SDK :) |
| 21:50.14 | Kaerey | But during install of the SDK you clearly see it stop the previous version |
| 21:50.21 | Rick_ | ok |
| 21:50.24 | Rick_ | well |
| 21:50.41 | Rick_ | I'm trying tofigure out why so many people can't get nova to run on vista64. |
| 21:50.56 | Rick_ | it doesn't make sense. |
| 21:51.05 | Rick_ | It wouldn't be some weird 3rd party firewall would it? |
| 21:51.17 | JackieRipper | I was just thinking firewall |
| 21:51.18 | Rick_ | bpadalino -- firewalls aren't going to interfere with novacom are they? |
| 21:52.04 | FreeTim31 | Should I wait or try the 1.1.0 that is out now |
| 21:52.31 | joesmith | nova may be a pebcac issue, 4 of my friends have installed 64bit sdk |
| 21:52.41 | joesmith | with no issure |
| 21:52.53 | Rick_ | terminal now on the front page of precentral |
| 21:53.11 | Rick_ | credited to _me_ for the tag, but rwhitby did the tag. Why did I get credit? |
| 21:53.12 | Rick_ | weird. |
| 21:53.43 | Rick_ | Rod talked to Dieter ON THE PHONE. |
| 21:53.46 | Rick_ | really weird. |
| 21:54.18 | DarthPooh | i'll let dieter kno if you want |
| 21:54.21 | rwhitby | Rick_: you sent him the email first |
| 21:54.23 | Rick_ | pebcak you mean? |
| 21:54.28 | Rick_ | oh |
| 21:54.33 | Rick_ | I didn't mean to scoop you Rod. |
| 21:54.47 | Rick_ | I ment it as a backup. You said you had pinged him BEFORE i sent it. |
| 21:54.51 | Rick_ | It's ok |
| 21:54.57 | Rick_ | oh, and good morning rwhitby |
| 21:55.01 | DarthPooh | i'll let dieter know he sucks |
| 21:55.03 | Rick_ | it just struck me as odd..... |
| 21:55.13 | DarthPooh | and that you said so |
| 21:55.17 | Rick_ | DarthPooh -- don't do that. We _like_ Deiter. |
| 21:55.29 | Rick_ | I'll cut this out and sent it to him.. :-) |
| 21:55.36 | Rick_ | so he sees what you think... :-) |
| 21:55.48 | rwhitby | DarthPooh: deiter has called it correctly. Rick let him know and enox sent the screenshot |
| 21:56.07 | DarthPooh | fuck him, I'll tell him to his face ;) |
| 21:56.14 | Rick_ | rwhitby being the power in the background again..... |
| 21:56.22 | Rick_ | retiring in to the wilds of au |
| 21:56.41 | DarthPooh | rwhitby, :) kk... had to get a new pre this morning. diagnosis: possibly fried the ram during update |
| 21:57.05 | rwhitby | Linking to the commit log was a good move by Dieter |
| 21:57.24 | rwhitby | DarthPooh: so unrelated to homebrew or webos-internals? |
| 21:57.36 | Eguy | holy crap batman...a terminal! |
| 21:57.46 | DarthPooh | Rick_, I can see him attacking kowala bears with his bear hands |
| 21:58.00 | Rick_ | I sent him the link to the commit log. |
| 21:58.04 | DarthPooh | rwhitby, yah, the Palm tech says they've fried units with previous updates. |
| 21:58.21 | Rick_ | There was someone else in here with the same problem earlier |
| 21:58.26 | DarthPooh | rwhitby, it just happens on rewrite of the ROM and then the RAM get |
| 21:58.29 | Rick_ | changed his name to Chump |
| 21:58.30 | DarthPooh | gets burnt out |
| 21:59.02 | DarthPooh | nothing to do with my quilts or mods... |
| 21:59.19 | DarthPooh | since they've repoduced this before. |
| 22:00.04 | DarthPooh | I might go ahead with the download from browser quilt... not sure yet. or try it on the SDK at least. |
| 22:00.23 | FreeTim31 | Well I'm going to go chmod & kill the daemon that does the Pre updates, until I know more about this one. |
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| 22:02.00 | rwhitby | DarthPooh: interesting |
| 22:02.25 | rwhitby | DarthPooh: how high up the supervisor chain did you need to go to get someone to admit that? |
| 22:03.05 | DarthPooh | rwhitby: to say the least... I wasn't alone either, the thread you posted in has others with similar experiences. not very far, I went to tech support 2 I think, and it wasn't even a supervisor, she just said they've reproduced it with demo units |
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| 22:04.34 | warren | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal Anyone successfully using this? I installed it, run it, Scary Black Screen title is shown, but the screen is only white with no apparent terminal. |
| 22:04.52 | Kaerey | did you try to start typing? |
| 22:05.05 | Rick_ | shouldnot be white |
| 22:05.07 | rwhitby | interesting. that's completely awful. in four years of nslu2-linux.org and custom firmware we were never had a known broken flash except for cases whether the power was pulled. |
| 22:05.07 | Rick_ | should be black |
| 22:05.35 | rwhitby | warren: which step of the instructions did you miss? |
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| 22:05.36 | warren | yes, tried typing |
| 22:05.37 | rwhitby | ;-) |
| 22:05.46 | Rick_ | warren you missed a step |
| 22:05.57 | Rick_ | specifically, you did not get the plugin installed right. |
| 22:06.02 | warren | rwhitby: I bypassed adding the preware ipkg repo and just did wget of that ipkg, then ipkg install <that ipkg> |
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| 22:06.17 | DarthPooh | well I asked if it could have been a surge in power or something, she said she didn't know enough about all of that. |
| 22:06.23 | Rick_ | ummmm |
| 22:06.27 | rwhitby | warren: ok, go back and fix your error then. |
| 22:06.41 | warren | you actually need the preware repo? |
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| 22:06.58 | Eguy | oops |
| 22:07.02 | Rick_ | did you also bypass adding the ln-s /etc/ipkg/arch.conf /var/etc/ipkg |
| 22:07.15 | Rick_ | because that's critical without it the arm7 stuff doesn't get installed. |
| 22:07.33 | Eguy | good thing I saw that link lol |
| 22:07.39 | rwhitby | Rick_: warren said "that ipkg" which means only one for a start. |
| 22:07.39 | destinal | rwhitby: I don't think the commit log was the best thing |
| 22:07.42 | Eguy | I just put the folder on me Pre |
| 22:08.01 | destinal | rwhitby: the applications repo is a lot of other stuff which I don't think was what he intended |
| 22:08.28 | rwhitby | destinal: meh - there's plenty of credit to spread around anyone who commited to our repo lately :-) |
| 22:08.41 | destinal | rwhitby: heh, fair enough |
| 22:09.02 | Rick_ | warren it is possible to install without the repository, but the ipkg from palm out of the box does not do arm7 binaries. |
| 22:09.16 | Rick_ | and the process as produced on the web page step by step fixes all of that |
| 22:09.38 | Rick_ | PLUS it makes it so that as destinal and crew update the terminal you can update yours over-the-air with just ipkg update. |
| 22:09.40 | Rick_ | which is cool |
| 22:09.43 | Rick_ | so do the whole thing. |
| 22:09.57 | rwhitby | Rick_: ipkg -o /var update ;-) |
| 22:10.07 | Rick_ | ok ok ok rod's fussy that way. |
| 22:10.19 | warren | why is reboot necesssary? |
| 22:10.30 | Eguy | Freakin long reboot times |
| 22:10.32 | Eguy | suck |
| 22:10.37 | rwhitby | we need to add a script for that. the preware-bootstrap.sh script will drop a new command in /usr/sbin ... |
| 22:10.41 | destinal | I don't think a reboot IS necessary, is it? |
| 22:10.53 | rwhitby | warren: it may not be - what's your experience? |
| 22:10.54 | warren | the page says reboot |
| 22:10.59 | Eguy | Just a luna restart I think no? |
| 22:11.12 | Rick_ | JackieRipper is working on scripting the terminal install as we speak |
| 22:11.15 | rwhitby | Eguy: if you update a .so file, when will it get picked up? |
| 22:11.29 | Eguy | hmm |
| 22:11.31 | Eguy | I am not sure |
| 22:11.42 | rwhitby | too many people right now are only thinking about initial installation of homebrew and not about maintenance, updates, dependencies and removal. |
| 22:11.50 | Eguy | I know it picks up folders |
| 22:11.55 | destinal | yeah, rebooting will be important when you update |
| 22:12.11 | rwhitby | destinal: so we train people to do that from the start :-) |
| 22:12.12 | destinal | if the module is loaded and you overwrite it, Luna will usually crash when it tries to use it |
| 22:12.16 | Eguy | It is annoying to manually have to update ipks, rwhitby, your right |
| 22:12.37 | FreeTim31 | did we already start a wiki page on the 1.1.0 update ? |
| 22:12.39 | destinal | rebooting forces reload, so good. |
| 22:12.39 | rwhitby | Eguy: it's completely unnecessary. Palm used ipkg for a good reason. |
| 22:12.45 | warren | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal the commands of this page does not mention the make filesystem writable step right? |
| 22:12.52 | destinal | pkill LunaSysMgr would work too but it takes almost as long as a reboot |
| 22:13.04 | rwhitby | warren: sure it does. |
| 22:13.19 | rwhitby | "You need to be logged in as root with a writeable filesystem. Instructions for both those things can be found elsewhere on this wiki." |
| 22:13.44 | destinal | rwhitby: about the symlink step, was a postinst tried also? it would seem to be easier |
| 22:14.00 | rwhitby | destinal: didn't try it. |
| 22:14.13 | destinal | just have a postinst mv the .so where it goes |
| 22:14.30 | destinal | for me the symlink broke since I already had a .so out there, had to remove |
| 22:14.49 | rwhitby | destinal: yeah, I was thinking that this is good webos-internals where the installer finds out about a /usr/lib/BrowserPlugins directory, and maybe has their interest piqued to join us. |
| 22:15.20 | rwhitby | destinal: the postinst would symlink anyway, otherwise removal is not clean. |
| 22:15.33 | Eguy | alright |
| 22:15.37 | destinal | rwhitby: ah, good point |
| 22:15.37 | Eguy | phew |
| 22:15.43 | Eguy | got the terminal up |
| 22:15.50 | Eguy | this is fantastic work fellas |
| 22:15.57 | rwhitby | ipkg -o /var install ; ipkg -o /var remove ; *must* leave no residue. |
| 22:16.11 | destinal | rwhitby: well an mv on install wouldn't leave residue |
| 22:16.34 | destinal | it's just probably a bad practice to not leave files where the control file thinks they are |
| 22:16.36 | rwhitby | destinal: sure it would, cause ipkg -o /var remove would be trying to remove the file that you've moved away behind it's back |
| 22:16.56 | destinal | ie not hurt anything in practice, just not a good state to be in |
| 22:17.23 | rwhitby | destinal: we need to be the packaging benchmark |
| 22:17.55 | destinal | rwhitby: by the way it does work for full screen apps, and escape is orange + space |
| 22:18.11 | destinal | this was true last night but I didn't have a chance to edit the wiki article today |
| 22:18.36 | destinal | export TERM=vt100 is key |
| 22:19.14 | Rick_ | destinal can you give me a quick run down on the special key strokes and I will go edit the wiki now. |
| 22:19.40 | Rick_ | and do you have to do export TERM=vt100 every time you run it? |
| 22:19.50 | destinal | sym is control, control-I should work for tab, and orange, space is escape I think that's it for now. |
| 22:19.53 | Rick_ | and is there some what that the mojo app could do that when it initializes the plugin? |
| 22:20.07 | Rick_ | destinal? |
| 22:20.09 | destinal | Rick_: It is something that I think we can set in the terminal |
| 22:20.21 | Rick_ | ok -- future enhancement got it. |
| 22:20.22 | destinal | in the plugin |
| 22:20.30 | Rick_ | Edit coming in a moment. |
| 22:20.41 | destinal | for now you have to type if since "linux" uses ansi codes that will look very ugly and ruin your usability |
| 22:20.50 | destinal | s/if/it/ |
| 22:20.53 | Eguy | omg this Terminal is fantastic! |
| 22:20.57 | Eguy | good bye dev mode |
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| 22:21.06 | warren | hmm, why does the , button not work in terminal |
| 22:21.43 | destinal | warren: that's a bug, thanks for reporting it :) |
| 22:21.49 | destinal | I didn't realize that |
| 22:21.57 | Eguy | tsk tsk destinal |
| 22:22.02 | Eguy | unacceptable |
| 22:22.03 | warren | I was trying to type the dash character |
| 22:22.31 | destinal | dash is orange, s |
| 22:22.51 | destinal | orange and comma is underscore, also broken |
| 22:23.02 | destinal | we DID say early alpha at least :P |
| 22:23.05 | warren | destinal: is typing the @ sign broken? |
| 22:23.11 | Eguy | HAHA |
| 22:23.23 | destinal | warren: yes, thanks. please find more! |
| 22:23.32 | warren | destinal: I can't find the Any Key |
| 22:23.34 | warren | =) |
| 22:23.52 | destinal | lmao |
| 22:24.00 | destinal | all this computer hacking is making me thirsty |
| 22:24.33 | destinal | that reminds me we need a tab. control-I is probably not something most will think of |
| 22:24.47 | destinal | and it may not work right now at that, have to check |
| 22:24.52 | Eguy | is there a ctrl+alt+del key for the Terminal? |
| 22:25.09 | Eguy | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Precentralnet/~3/k7Y1dGGQC8g/hey-jim-cramer-let-us-google-you :( |
| 22:25.35 | destinal | Eguy: it's a secret key you can activate by typing rm .. |
| 22:25.42 | Eguy | :D |
| 22:25.43 | destinal | I won't just in case someone takes me seriously |
| 22:25.46 | warren | destinal: whoa nice, rotate works |
| 22:25.47 | Eguy | Good idea |
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| 22:26.23 | cpuguy06 | sup everyone? |
| 22:26.36 | Eguy | Jim Cramer just lost my respect |
| 22:26.40 | tmzt | destinal: what about a transitional page that mentions that? |
| 22:26.49 | tmzt | it's perfectly usable once you know it |
| 22:26.49 | asedeno_work | ctrl-i is one I use all the time on my n810 |
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| 22:27.04 | tmzt | I used it on the q |
| 22:27.07 | tmzt | save a key |
| 22:27.11 | destinal | ok |
| 22:27.11 | tmzt | saved |
| 22:27.49 | destinal | ooh I let my pre fall asleep and came back to see broadcast messages from powerd on my screen |
| 22:27.59 | destinal | (in terminal) |
| 22:28.20 | warren | destinal: so the Scary Black Screen title is cute, but might we be able to get rid of that for more screen space later? |
| 22:28.23 | Eguy | Terminal works great |
| 22:28.34 | destinal | warren: the scary black title is a temporary placeholder |
| 22:28.48 | Eguy | ....for iPhone can't do this |
| 22:29.01 | destinal | we need to put a proper border around the top to get 90 angled corners |
| 22:29.34 | destinal | otherwise when the browser composites our window it chops part off by rounding the card edges |
| 22:30.02 | tmzt | how many pixels does that come out to? |
| 22:30.16 | warren | 2x2 or more |
| 22:30.29 | destinal | I have it somewhere in bascplugin, I don't recall off the top of my head |
| 22:30.30 | rwhitby | en0x: re telling people - I only meant that until we had three alpha testers get the wiki instructions right. shout it from the rooftops now :-) |
| 22:30.45 | Eguy | rubbish |
| 22:30.50 | Eguy | apple is better |
| 22:30.53 | warren | destinal: so i'm guessing one ipkg is the card, and the plugin runs it as a native app (not javascript?) |
| 22:30.53 | Eguy | pah |
| 22:30.57 | rwhitby | en0x: since in this group we put up reproducible instructions before screenshots and youtube videos ;-) |
| 22:31.11 | warren | destinal: this gives me hope that not all apps will be limited by javascript |
| 22:31.31 | destinal | warren: there's a mojo app that embeds a plugin, the two are in seperate ipkg files, yes |
| 22:31.53 | destinal | just about everything is in c++ on the plugin |
| 22:32.30 | tmzt | destinal: does it have to be two ipk's? |
| 22:32.49 | tmzt | I guess if you consider it a component or shared widget |
| 22:33.04 | warren | destinal: is there a tab button so we can autocomplete? |
| 22:33.13 | destinal | tmzt: it enables that but I am concerned that updating one and not the other could be problematic |
| 22:33.26 | warren | terminal and IRC client are the two things that I'm missing now |
| 22:33.37 | destinal | if we make a change that crosses the mojo boundary and needs a new object or function from the plugin |
| 22:33.52 | tmzt | warren: use irssi, if the curses stuff will work |
| 22:34.05 | warren | it'd be nice to have an IRC client as a card |
| 22:34.36 | warren | destinal: could the code on the javascript side detect if the plugin across the boundary is updated and print an error message? |
| 22:34.45 | tmzt | destinal: I guess you could allow configuring certain cards to run certain commands |
| 22:34.58 | tmzt | or maybe mikedg's anycut could help |
| 22:35.44 | destinal | Rick_: if you're adding stuff to the wiki page, a major bug right now is that enlarging the window for the scrollback also enlarges the entire terminal (stty opts) so eventually you'll have hundreds or thousands of rows in the terminal and while it works, that is a huge virtual space to deal with |
| 22:36.35 | destinal | I'll check it when I get home or maybe mrvc or zuchmir2 will get to it before I do |
| 22:37.27 | warren | can't type , and _ both necessary to make filessytem writable |
| 22:39.22 | warren | destinal: will we have any shortcuts to press Up, Down, Left, Right? |
| 22:39.52 | Eguy | what is the command to show space left again? |
| 22:39.54 | destinal | warren: our current plan is to let you hold your finger down on the gesture area and have the numeric keypad area become up down left right, etc |
| 22:40.01 | Eguy | I forgot |
| 22:40.09 | warren | destinal: that's pretty cool |
| 22:41.23 | warren | destinal: oh, terminal emulation codes are showing now, furhter plans there? |
| 22:41.34 | destinal | warren: did you try |
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| 22:41.39 | destinal | warren: export TERM=vt100 |
| 22:41.40 | destinal | ? |
| 22:42.12 | destinal | the case is important, make sure you match |
| 22:42.41 | Rick_ | destinal I got thoe instructions up in the wiki now. |
| 22:42.43 | warren | thanks, that's working for top at least |
| 22:42.53 | Rick_ | our power's been flashing on and off |
| 22:43.22 | rwhitby | destinal: have you ever run pssh on a Treo? |
| 22:44.35 | rwhitby | destinal: ipkg -o /var update will handle dependencies between the app and the plugin. That's why we put the preware feed in the instructions, not just wget like warren did |
| 22:45.03 | bpadalino | Rick_: i think localhost -> localhost connections are all allowed by default on the pre |
| 22:45.09 | bpadalino | but it's a good thing to doublecheck |
| 22:48.09 | jwm | anyone know how to change login settings in the email? |
| 22:48.13 | jwm | it grays out |
| 22:48.24 | Eguy | detinal: a note for you, don't do du in the terminal app |
| 22:48.35 | Eguy | used up my entire Pre's ram and it is slow as hell |
| 22:48.43 | Eguy | lol |
| 22:48.52 | rwhitby | Eguy: don't du above /dev/kmem |
| 22:49.16 | Eguy | I did du /var and it was quite intensive |
| 22:49.23 | rwhitby | does grep -R from / still crash the Pre? |
| 22:50.04 | Eguy | looks at someone else :P |
| 22:50.05 | jwm | what are you trying to do? |
| 22:50.31 | Rick_ | bpadalino what I'm wondering about is the folks trying to use novacom with vista64 who have so many problems |
| 22:50.40 | Rick_ | could a firewall on the PC bescrewing them up? |
| 22:51.01 | destinal | rwhitby: I haven't ever used a Treo before, I left palm when moving off my Palm Vx and didn't come back until now |
| 22:51.13 | warren | hmm, my phone running no apps is using 210MB of the 256MB RAM |
| 22:51.27 | Eguy | How did you see the ram usage? |
| 22:51.33 | Rick_ | destinal can you check the wiki page on the terminal quicly? |
| 22:51.47 | bcombee | warren: webkit on the Pre caches a lot of recently used pages |
| 22:51.47 | rwhitby | destinal: pssh has a little bar where you can hit special characters with your finger instead of holding down three keys |
| 22:52.19 | rwhitby | http://handheld.softpedia.com/images/software/screens/pssh-2.gif |
| 22:52.23 | warren | sigh, optware irssi has a lot of deps that I don't want |
| 22:52.30 | Rick_ | sideways scrollable special keys mojo item on the bottom of the screen? |
| 22:52.45 | bpadalino | oh - you mean novacom on the host pc being blocked by a firewall ? |
| 22:52.48 | bpadalino | quite possible |
| 22:52.52 | Rick_ | yes bpadalino |
| 22:52.52 | destinal | rwhitby: ah, so touchscreen keys. |
| 22:53.03 | Rick_ | right |
| 22:53.04 | rwhitby | warren: repackaging contributions welcome :-) |
| 22:53.18 | Rick_ | we have a lot of people who come in here and can't get novacom to work on Vista 64. |
| 22:53.29 | Rick_ | I'm wondering if there's a possibility it's some security app or other. |
| 22:53.53 | jwm | heh |
| 22:54.03 | rwhitby | destinal: so, we need multiple cards for independent terminals, right? ;-) so you can run top in one .... |
| 22:54.12 | asedeno_work | what was that about pssh? |
| 22:54.35 | warren | when the screen turns off, it kills the wifi, does it kill the EVDO too? |
| 22:54.35 | rwhitby | asedeno_work: an example of putting hard-to-hit-on-the-keyboard characters on the touchscreen |
| 22:54.36 | destinal | rwhitby: yes, we need to make it a multi-stage app and have it spawn a new card on launch |
| 22:54.48 | warren | might be a challenge to use an IRC client when its network disappears often |
| 22:54.54 | rwhitby | destinal: is the backend architected for multiple terms? |
| 22:54.59 | destinal | rwhitby: yes |
| 22:55.11 | rwhitby | warren: use an irc bouncer, like bip. |
| 22:55.13 | destinal | rwhitby: all state variables are stored as properties of the embed |
| 22:55.23 | asedeno_work | I used pssh all the time. I had a modified version that used the alt key as another shift key with a different keymap |
| 22:55.24 | rwhitby | destinal: nicely done. you guys thought ahead. |
| 22:55.27 | destinal | rwhitby: so another embed should have its own, even on the same card |
| 22:55.54 | destinal | which admittedly would be hard to do on the same card with the event handler :) |
| 22:56.13 | destinal | but another card should be cool |
| 22:56.26 | rwhitby | destinal: or just run optware screen in the first card :-) |
| 22:56.28 | Eguy | anyone got a fix on the PDF rotation? |
| 22:56.37 | Eguy | 1.1 broke it |
| 22:56.53 | jwm | am I missing something |
| 22:57.01 | jwm | why run an irc client on your pre? |
| 22:57.01 | asedeno_work | where by had, I mean I have the source, and working binaries, and can still build it. I was considering getting it working better with Classic at some point. |
| 22:57.07 | jwm | is there a working terminal app already? |
| 22:57.08 | jwm | heh |
| 22:58.19 | raeb | jwm: why not? |
| 22:58.30 | jwm | nah, just curious |
| 22:58.40 | raeb | but yeah, theres a terminal app, or so i've heard ;) |
| 22:58.41 | jwm | you have to have a computer to access it |
| 22:59.04 | raeb | http://www.precentral.net/ |
| 22:59.09 | *** join/#webos-internals asedeno_home (i=stealth@JABUN.MIT.EDU) |
| 22:59.29 | raeb | wtf is a 'goodly folks' |
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| 23:00.29 | raeb | goodly means pleasantly attractive, or significantly large |
| 23:00.40 | raeb | so either he's hittin on us, or makin a fat joke |
| 23:00.49 | destinal | jwm: you have to have access to linux on your pre to install it at the moment, but it's a gui terminal in a card. |
| 23:01.02 | warren1 | I'm using weechat on my Pre, although I ssh'ed in from my laptop to do so. |
| 23:02.14 | warren | hmm, what is a good ssh client? |
| 23:02.18 | warren | I'm using dropbear for sshd |
| 23:02.32 | jwm | http://www.pcworld.com/article/169039/palm_pre_is_the_most_open_mobile_platform_on_the_market.html |
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| 23:02.56 | raeb | warren: for which platform |
| 23:03.41 | jauderho | quick question. has anyone figured out how to take a picture from the command line yet? |
| 23:03.50 | FreeTim31 | I use dropbear too... to get the the pre I use puTTY |
| 23:04.44 | tlz | damn |
| 23:04.49 | tlz | cant ssh to my pre anymore for some reason |
| 23:04.59 | warren | raeb: to run ssh client on the pre itself to login to other machines |
| 23:05.11 | warren | "Oh crap, I'm at the airport and need to do something on my server." |
| 23:05.17 | jauderho | dropbear ships with ssh client |
| 23:05.22 | jauderho | same bin. |
| 23:05.25 | warren1 | oh |
| 23:05.30 | jauderho | it's a little lame but works |
| 23:05.30 | Eguy | what is the luna resend command again? |
| 23:05.37 | Eguy | I am too lazy to look it up :P |
| 23:06.34 | Eguy | nevermind, looks like the terminal app reset my phone ;) |
| 23:06.41 | rwhitby | warren1: you can also run dropbear for server and openssh for client |
| 23:06.55 | warren | I'll see how lame it is as a client first. |
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| 23:07.11 | rwhitby | then you get the best of both worlds. small server ram footprint, and good agent forwarding support for best-practice private key protection |
| 23:07.44 | raeb | "Pre is invulnerable to remote access unless its owner follows a somewhat tedious process to activate Developer Mode, and Palm made locking the phone back down a one-touch operation." yeah, one button: upupdowndownleftright.... |
| 23:08.03 | Eguy | Good news everyone: I just installed an ipk from precentral using destinals terminal app :) |
| 23:08.07 | rwhitby | raeb: where is that from? |
| 23:08.11 | Eguy | no dev mode needed |
| 23:08.12 | warren | raeb: you don't have that button your pre? It is big and red with that text written on it. |
| 23:08.22 | rwhitby | Eguy: yeah, ipkg -o /var <url> should work fine. |
| 23:08.25 | raeb | http://www.pcworld.com/article/169039/palm_pre_is_the_most_open_mobile_platform_on_the_market.html |
| 23:08.38 | Eguy | worked perfectly |
| 23:08.45 | warren | ok, dropbear is a lame client |
| 23:08.51 | Eguy | yep, rwhitby that is what I used |
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| 23:10.17 | jauderho | rwhitby how do you run dropbear and openssh again? I keep forgetting to try this out |
| 23:10.42 | rwhitby | jauderho: just install them both, and choose the upstart script for the one you want as server (which will be dropbear) |
| 23:10.53 | rwhitby | jauderho: our optware-bootstrap script does this automatically for everyone |
| 23:11.11 | thatdude | Hey everyone, hope all is well. |
| 23:11.23 | jauderho | hmm I have not tried the optware-bootstrap script. will have to check it out. |
| 23:11.35 | thatdude | Great job webos-internals! thanks! |
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| 23:13.45 | destinal | Eguy: how did you get the ipk though to install? |
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| 23:13.58 | destinal | oh copy paste URL? |
| 23:14.08 | Eguy | nah I typed out the full url |
| 23:14.08 | destinal | wait |
| 23:14.14 | destinal | that doesn't work yet :) |
| 23:14.15 | Eguy | took a while |
| 23:14.16 | thatdude | Brb |
| 23:14.52 | Eguy | Is there a hack to get around the "out of free space" error with var |
| 23:15.02 | warren | sweet, now I have real ssh client and terminal on my phone, thanks! |
| 23:15.53 | JackieRipper | Rick_: still here? |
| 23:16.18 | Eguy | I fixed my var error but a lot of people have it |
| 23:16.22 | Eguy | from optware |
| 23:16.41 | tmzt | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/wuGLC7ciwOA/Palm-Pre-iTunes-Syncing-Back-With-WebOS-11-Update |
| 23:16.48 | tmzt | anyone looking for some glue? |
| 23:17.04 | Eguy | lo iTunes 8.2.2 out next week |
| 23:17.07 | Eguy | lol* |
| 23:17.23 | warren | hmm |
| 23:17.31 | warren | when I try to run terimnal now, it says I have too many open cards |
| 23:17.37 | warren | but I have no other cards |
| 23:17.41 | Eguy | It is going to go back and forth |
| 23:18.04 | Eguy | Sync will break, palm will change, apple will respond back with a new iTunes version |
| 23:18.09 | Eguy | Apple is just stupid |
| 23:18.33 | warren | Eguy: apple fanboys on the forums seem to think palm is stupid |
| 23:18.44 | Eguy | hehe |
| 23:18.48 | Eguy | Apple fanboys.... |
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| 23:19.01 | Eguy | Their brains are very teeny :) |
| 23:19.06 | tmzt | http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/ |
| 23:19.10 | tmzt | and it gets better |
| 23:19.26 | Eguy | I know I love that one |
| 23:19.27 | Eguy | Palm went to the USB government HAHAH |
| 23:19.42 | destinal | iTunes, defective by design |
| 23:19.47 | Eguy | nods |
| 23:20.01 | tmzt | it could be an emulator from my perspective |
| 23:20.14 | destinal | I consider not being able to talk to a device that speaks your protocol because of manufacturer discrimination a defect. |
| 23:20.14 | tmzt | maybe if this is "illegal" so is VMWare? |
| 23:20.22 | tmzt | or the other way around |
| 23:20.40 | Eguy | I love that smilies are back in 1.1 :) |
| 23:20.48 | tmzt | since a components of VMWare (or Virtual Box or qemu or kvm, etc.) |
| 23:20.57 | tmzt | emulates the device connected to your system |
| 23:21.24 | tmzt | destinal: it's not even a protocol, it's a file system layout |
| 23:21.51 | rwhitby | posts http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1777188 to have a dig at all these secretive installer app development groups ... |
| 23:22.50 | Eguy | the game is on! |
| 23:23.15 | thatdude | :) |
| 23:23.35 | Eguy | We will win anyway... |
| 23:23.44 | Eguy | our people are too awesome |
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| 23:24.29 | warren | "To send a tab use SYM-I" |
| 23:24.34 | warren | this doesn't seem to be working |
| 23:24.40 | Eguy | underscore works fine |
| 23:24.49 | Eguy | and dash works fine |
| 23:24.51 | destinal | warren: ok then it's a bug on sending tab, I'll check it |
| 23:25.29 | destinal | rwhitby: way to point out that ipkg -o /var from a term already got there first :) |
| 23:26.02 | raeb | can ipkg install optware so u can ipkg-opt ? |
| 23:26.10 | Eguy | yes |
| 23:26.13 | raeb | nice! |
| 23:26.26 | rwhitby | raeb: we're using ipkg -o /var, since that emulates exactly what palm-install does |
| 23:26.49 | raeb | right |
| 23:26.57 | Eguy | I was using ipkg-opt until I found that out ... oops :P |
| 23:27.10 | raeb | ipkg-opt is for a different set of tools than ipkg |
| 23:27.13 | raeb | or so i thought |
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| 23:27.50 | warren1 | test |
| 23:27.57 | JackieRipper | I think I have the terminal app installation pretty well scripted |
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| 23:28.12 | warren | sometimes the terminal stops displaying any text |
| 23:28.17 | Eguy | I think it is pretty easy now |
| 23:28.27 | JackieRipper | Rick pointed out that it's "a lot of typing" |
| 23:28.27 | warren | I'm running weechat in terminal, I can type in it and it appears in this channel, but I can't see anything |
| 23:28.34 | Eguy | but a sh script would be the easiest I guess :P |
| 23:28.49 | warren1 | i cant see what i am typing |
| 23:28.55 | JackieRipper | I can't use vi in it. Anyone have any hints? |
| 23:28.57 | rwhitby | JackieRipper: nice - same repo? |
| 23:29.11 | JackieRipper | rwhitby: I /just/ finished it |
| 23:29.11 | Eguy | I don't know about using vi while on the pre |
| 23:29.20 | JackieRipper | :) |
| 23:29.36 | alphakamp | is there a terminal app yet? |
| 23:29.40 | Eguy | I wouldn't use vi on it |
| 23:29.43 | thatdude | Jack: I prefer using nano |
| 23:30.01 | warren | OK, I tried the terminal that was no longer able to see what I am running. |
| 23:30.21 | warren | The weechat process is still running despite the terminal being gone. |
| 23:33.55 | rwhitby | ~terminal |
| 23:33.55 | infobot | hmm... terminal is very, very alpha, but can be found at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal |
| 23:34.04 | rwhitby | alphakamp: ^^ |
| 23:34.34 | JackieRipper | looks like the vi that came with the pre works better than vim |
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| 23:34.54 | JackieRipper | still can't seem to exit a file, though |
| 23:35.08 | Eguy | terminal |
| 23:35.22 | Eguy | there is a terminal app? |
| 23:35.46 | destinal | warren: worth checking whether processes are cascade-killed properly when the terminal goes away. I haven't checked |
| 23:35.51 | destinal | very very alph |
| 23:35.57 | destinal | s/lph/lpha/ |
| 23:36.05 | Eguy | dest: everytime I run the terminal app my phone resets when I quit it |
| 23:36.17 | destinal | Eguy: wow, congratulations |
| 23:36.19 | raeb | alf ? |
| 23:36.27 | Eguy | is that on purpose? |
| 23:36.34 | JackieRipper | thatdude: with all respect to my buddy Chris who wrote nano... it's lacking |
| 23:36.35 | raeb | feature or bug |
| 23:36.39 | destinal | Eguy: it checks to see if it's you and then does that |
| 23:36.44 | Eguy | hahaha |
| 23:36.49 | raeb | name dropper |
| 23:36.50 | Eguy | thanks for that |
| 23:37.07 | destinal | Eguy: I have never seen a reset on quit |
| 23:37.15 | Eguy | werid |
| 23:37.26 | destinal | Eguy: did you reboot after installing the plugin? |
| 23:37.31 | Eguy | I mean, I don't mind it since I would probably have to reboot anyway |
| 23:37.39 | Eguy | after doing stuff in it |
| 23:37.42 | Eguy | yes i did |
| 23:37.47 | destinal | hmmm |
| 23:37.48 | thatdude | JackieRipper: I have 3 years with linux and I don't understand using VI :/ - I am spoiled with nano :P |
| 23:37.54 | destinal | ~nano |
| 23:37.55 | infobot | somebody said nano was at http://www.nano-editor.org/, or a DFSG-free alternative to pico, or 10^-9 |
| 23:38.00 | Eguy | lol |
| 23:38.03 | Eguy | ~pico |
| 23:38.04 | infobot | somebody said pico was a non-free text editor. Try nano as a GPL'ed alternative, or if you insist on pico, download the source for pine from non-free, build it, and install the resulting pico_something.deb |
| 23:38.14 | Eguy | ~destinal |
| 23:38.22 | Eguy | awww |
| 23:38.28 | alphakamp | rwhitby: cool hope that gets better |
| 23:38.30 | raeb | ~vi |
| 23:38.31 | infobot | it has been said that vi is the best text editor in the world. |
| 23:38.32 | destinal | Eguy: it knows me not. |
| 23:38.35 | raeb | agree |
| 23:38.40 | Eguy | infobot does not know the awesomness of destinal |
| 23:38.51 | JackieRipper | thatdude: the main thing I would do with a terminal app on my phone is ssh into work when I get paged because something broke... and most of our boxes don't have nano |
| 23:38.51 | Eguy | ~Pre |
| 23:38.53 | destinal | ~eguy |
| 23:38.59 | Eguy | :( |
| 23:39.03 | Eguy | :'( |
| 23:39.14 | Eguy | +k inofbot |
| 23:39.15 | rwhitby | ~eno |
| 23:39.16 | infobot | eno is probably works tirelessly on Optware. He is the unsung hero keeping it working |
| 23:39.17 | Eguy | infobot* |
| 23:39.30 | Eguy | is probably works? |
| 23:39.35 | Eguy | eh? |
| 23:39.38 | warren | destinal: it seems killing all child processes would be a good thing |
| 23:39.39 | thatdude | JackieRipper: Make it happen, your slacking ;) |
| 23:39.51 | Eguy | ~rwhitby |
| 23:39.52 | infobot | i guess rwhitby is the owner of the nslu2-linux mailing list and IRC channel. He tries to provide some order to the burgeoning development around the NSLU2. You can find his website at http://www.rwhitby.net (where in particular, you will find information on Serial Port modifications for the Linksys WRT54G and NSLU2 devices). |
| 23:40.08 | Eguy | Oh you cheeky... |
| 23:40.08 | tmzt | esc is definately required |
| 23:40.17 | warren | destinal: because the apps using up resources that aren't killed are otherwise invisible |
| 23:40.17 | destinal | tmzt: orance space |
| 23:40.25 | destinal | s/nce/nge/ |
| 23:40.26 | warren | destinal: might be a support problem |
| 23:40.57 | destinal | warren: well, killing the exec'd shell should do the job |
| 23:40.59 | tmzt | destinal: okay, cool |
| 23:41.01 | rwhitby | infobot: no, eno is <reply> Eno works tirelessly on Optware. He is the unsung hero keeping it all working. |
| 23:41.02 | infobot | okay, rwhitby |
| 23:41.02 | tmzt | | ? |
| 23:41.03 | destinal | cascade kill |
| 23:41.04 | thatdude | I am proud that we have some hardcore linux users here. I also though the G1 was going to be that amazing linux mobile device but the Pre is the one. |
| 23:41.23 | Eguy | lol |
| 23:41.28 | Eguy | good infobot |
| 23:41.33 | rwhitby | ~botsnack |
| 23:41.33 | infobot | rwhitby: aw, gee |
| 23:41.35 | destinal | thatdude: I totally agree |
| 23:41.59 | warren | If Palm is smart, they would be watching this community so they know who to hire. |
| 23:41.59 | Eguy | I just wish the build quality was solid |
| 23:42.10 | Eguy | I mean really really solid |
| 23:42.14 | Eguy | like a 90's nokia |
| 23:42.14 | warren | Like Red Hat knows who to hire by watching the most productive Fedora contributors. |
| 23:42.17 | destinal | tmzt: sorry, | is lacking as are , and _ and @. I consider this a bug that I will fix as soon as I get home if mrvc doesn't magically get there first (he tends to fix things before I get there) :) |
| 23:42.20 | thatdude | warren: You never know. They might have a scout in here. |
| 23:42.39 | Eguy | Palm does watch this channel |
| 23:42.40 | warren | I can't ssh without the @ sign =) |
| 23:42.47 | Eguy | Say Hi Palm! |
| 23:42.52 | tmzt | destinal: though of it since zaurus used fn-space for it I think |
| 23:43.12 | destinal | what do people want for | |
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| 23:43.29 | destinal | orange + . ? |
| 23:43.43 | Eguy | orange is evil |
| 23:44.16 | destinal | and what about \ , where can we put that? |
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| 23:44.45 | warren | btw (different topic), I guess there's no way to put text into the clipboard that is outside of a text entry field? |
| 23:44.52 | Eguy | orange q |
| 23:45.14 | Eguy | so shift q for / orange q for \ |
| 23:45.31 | warren | shift q is Q |
| 23:45.32 | destinal | Eguy: shift q is Q |
| 23:45.43 | Eguy | ah, yes |
| 23:45.44 | raeb | "not because i was scared of root or anything (15+ years unix admin) but because i'm going to want to load it so full of crazy hacks I'll get sucked in and never get any real work done!" |
| 23:45.47 | Eguy | sorry about that |
| 23:45.53 | destinal | raeb: :) |
| 23:45.56 | Eguy | It has been a long and and long week ;) |
| 23:46.07 | Eguy | long day* |
| 23:46.23 | Eguy | what about orange shift q |
| 23:46.29 | warren | I've also not managed to get any of the "touch gesture area + key" shortcuts to work in any app, I might be doing it wrong or misunderstanding the docs. |
| 23:46.54 | warren | Eguy: difficult to press three buttons at once |
| 23:47.00 | destinal | we need to do gesture area + key for numpad to arrow keys and maybe some other things that make sense |
| 23:47.06 | Eguy | You just need 2 hands |
| 23:47.15 | raeb | destinal: so what about shrinking the plugin a little, and using mojo buttons for esc key, etc |
| 23:47.16 | destinal | maybe gesture area + q i= \ |
| 23:47.24 | Eguy | yeah |
| 23:47.27 | Eguy | if possible |
| 23:47.36 | warren | more screen space is better |
| 23:47.45 | raeb | can always make it a pop-over too |
| 23:47.48 | destinal | raeb: good point, we already have to give up the lines with the rounded edges |
| 23:47.55 | destinal | stupid rounded edges |
| 23:48.00 | warren | OTOH the top of the screen needs to be curved, so might as well put buttons up there |
| 23:48.01 | raeb | hit key combo to bring up pop over with many buttons that aren't on keyboard |
| 23:48.02 | tmzt | I would suggest keeping the most useful characters most acessible |
| 23:48.07 | Eguy | what about using the sym button to call up the symbols and just click those |
| 23:48.21 | tmzt | although fn+qwerty is quite usable once you et used to it |
| 23:48.22 | destinal | Eguy: we need symbol for control, but maybe sym+sym |
| 23:48.29 | destinal | since we don't need a control-lock |
| 23:48.40 | Eguy | ah |
| 23:48.54 | Eguy | what about plugging a keyboard into the pre and using that? |
| 23:48.56 | Eguy | :P |
| 23:49.01 | warren | btw, is there anything you can run at the commandline to turn off the screen power off ? (prevent wifi from turning off temporarily) |
| 23:49.15 | Eguy | there is a mod |
| 23:49.26 | Eguy | to have wifi stay on |
| 23:49.33 | destinal | Eguy: I have a palm bluetooth keyboard at home just waiting to be used, once BT HID devices can be made to work on the pre |
| 23:49.45 | Eguy | I remember |
| 23:49.48 | destinal | it was designed for palmos/winmo palm devices but the cradle fits the pre perfectly |
| 23:50.03 | Eguy | I want obex already |
| 23:50.03 | warren | has anyone managed to use the USB plug on this in host mode? |
| 23:50.14 | destinal | warren: I mean to try this weekend |
| 23:50.38 | destinal | I have a micro A male to full size female cable |
| 23:50.47 | destinal | which with the right driver should do it, I'm told |
| 23:50.54 | warren | sitting on an airplane with a tiny phone plugged into a full sized keyboard |
| 23:50.57 | warren | people will look at you funny |
| 23:51.05 | Eguy | lol |
| 23:51.12 | Eguy | people look at us funny anyways |
| 23:51.25 | Eguy | what is that? oh it is not an iphone... not interested |
| 23:51.28 | destinal | plugging in flash drives and mounting them under /media is the killer app |
| 23:52.10 | warren | My friend with an iphone was playing Katamari Damacy, using the iphone's tilt sensor to control where the katamari rolls, running a PS1 emulator on his phone. |
| 23:52.13 | warren | that was pretty cool |
| 23:52.24 | Eguy | not as cool as the magic 8 ball pre app |
| 23:52.32 | Eguy | with shake control |
| 23:52.37 | warren | URL? |
| 23:52.49 | Eguy | lazy :P |
| 23:52.53 | Eguy | you are |
| 23:53.00 | Eguy | http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/194675-magic-8-ball-v0-1-0-7-24-a.html |
| 23:53.03 | tlz | YES |
| 23:53.06 | tlz | IM DOWNLOADING THAT RIGHT NOW |
| 23:53.10 | destinal | hehe |
| 23:53.24 | Eguy | I would buy a Pre just for that are you kidding |
| 23:53.33 | destinal | ipkg -o /var install http://forums.precentral.net/attachments/homebrew-apps/23516d1248466572-magic-8-ball-v0-1-0-7-24-com.orbsix.app.magic8ball_0.1.0_all.ipk |
| 23:53.37 | destinal | :P |
| 23:53.48 | Eguy | you can't |
| 23:53.52 | Eguy | you have to be logged in :P |
| 23:53.55 | destinal | aw |
| 23:53.56 | destinal | lame |
| 23:54.09 | Eguy | I uploaded it elsewhere and used that direct link |
| 23:54.15 | tlz | ooo |
| 23:54.20 | tlz | genius |
| 23:54.36 | Eguy | I am gonna show it off to my friends tonight |
| 23:54.40 | Eguy | they will want it |
| 23:54.53 | Eguy | does the iPhone have a magic 8 ball? |
| 23:55.02 | tlz | im uploading it to my website as we speak |
| 23:55.42 | JackieRipper | Does palm have a linux version of the webos doctor? |
| 23:55.50 | tlz | www.suxx0r.com/com.orbsix.app.magic8ball_0.1.0_all.ipk |
| 23:55.50 | tlz | lol |
| 23:55.58 | destinal | JackieRipper: no, but you can use the standard one if you have the SDK's novacomd running |
| 23:56.00 | rwhitby | destinal: I have already spoken to PreCentral guys about publishing a real ipkg feed |
| 23:56.05 | destinal | just java -jar it |
| 23:56.10 | Eguy | yeah |
| 23:56.13 | Eguy | thanks dest |
| 23:56.14 | rwhitby | what's the redistribution license on the magic8ball app? |
| 23:56.25 | Eguy | I have no idea |
| 23:56.27 | JackieRipper | rwhitby: it says gpl |
| 23:56.31 | warren | I wonder if motion sensor granularity like the iphone is possible on pre |
| 23:56.38 | rwhitby | JackieRipper: ok, we can add it to preware.org feed then. |
| 23:56.38 | Eguy | It is |
| 23:56.47 | Eguy | in 1.1 |
| 23:56.51 | JackieRipper | destinal: can you elaborate? |
| 23:57.05 | JackieRipper | how do I lauch it? |
| 23:57.17 | Eguy | java -jar webosdoctor.jar |
| 23:57.28 | Eguy | well |
| 23:57.37 | Eguy | what linux distro are you using |
| 23:57.43 | rwhitby | anyone want to learn how to add an app to preware.org? anyone with git commit access can do it. |
| 23:58.01 | Eguy | I don't have commit access |
| 23:58.02 | JackieRipper | Eguy: gentoo |
| 23:58.21 | tlz | ah damn |
| 23:58.27 | tlz | cant do _ in terminal app |
| 23:58.28 | thatdude | Eguy: Ubuntu |
| 23:58.36 | Eguy | gentoo? |
| 23:58.40 | Eguy | never heard of it |
| 23:58.58 | JackieRipper | Eguy: orange key and , doesn't work? |
| 23:59.07 | destinal | JackieRipper: do you have novacomd running? |
| 23:59.12 | Kaerey | did anyone add My Notification up there? |
| 23:59.19 | warren | amazing how long it takes to restart luna |
| 23:59.24 | Eguy | it's on there Kaerey |
| 23:59.29 | rwhitby | Eguy: if you do the work to get magic8ball into preware, you get commit access |
| 23:59.32 | destinal | JackieRipper: if so just java -jar filename |
| 23:59.37 | JackieRipper | cool |
| 23:59.42 | JackieRipper | yes, I have it running |
| 23:59.49 | rwhitby | Kaerey: are you going to move that app to gitorious.org/webos-applications? |
