| 00:01.27 | destinal1 | eddieck: also the pre probably has a serial port, at least pads on the board, but I'm not going to crack mine open to find out :) |
| 00:01.38 | eddieck | haha me neither |
| 00:01.56 | eddieck | that said, *hint* it's possible to get a new or refurbished Pre for $200 from Sprint (w/o a new contract) :) |
| 00:02.20 | destinal1 | eddieck: how? |
| 00:02.25 | eddieck | their advance replacement thing will let you order a new phone (you can say your current one is broken somehow), and if you don't return the old one, you get charged $200 |
| 00:02.31 | eddieck | so in other words, you'd get another pre for $200 |
| 00:02.36 | destinal1 | ah, I see |
| 00:02.41 | eddieck | there might also be a $30 fee for it unless you have TEP like I do |
| 00:05.25 | eddieck | I wonder if the Pre has a lower level than bootie like DFU on the iPhone |
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| 00:06.24 | destinal1 | eddieck: well I think they flash it via OMAP usb boot. (which is lower level) |
| 00:06.41 | eddieck | perfect; just don't want to permanently brick my device |
| 00:06.50 | eddieck | omapzoom has an omapbl - wonder if that's what palm based bootie on |
| 00:06.58 | destinal1 | it has USB jtag as well |
| 00:07.32 | destinal1 | which I guess is probably tied to the same thing |
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| 00:10.07 | eddieck | I'm just going to use 2.6.24 and slip in android patches |
| 00:10.24 | eddieck | and that's better because it'll work with the pesky proprietary kernel modules |
| 00:10.41 | destinal1 | eddieck: at least you're starting with something known to work on the platform which helps if you can't see the boot screen yet :P |
| 00:10.51 | eddieck | :) |
| 00:11.08 | eddieck | I actually tried starting android's app_process, but failed because of the hardware TLS issue |
| 00:11.45 | eddieck | hardware TLS has been an issue in Android since the early days - after a year, I wonder why G hasn't fixed it |
| 00:11.52 | destinal1 | I was thinking of getting a beagleboard for $150, but if it's possible to get a pre as a development board and lots of peripheral hardware built in for $200.. hmm |
| 00:11.53 | eddieck | Sean McNeil has a patch |
| 00:12.05 | eddieck | I'd go beagle |
| 00:12.13 | eddieck | unless it's confimed the Pre has serial/jtag |
| 00:12.17 | eddieck | proper |
| 00:12.33 | destinal1 | eddieck: I can't imagine it not having |
| 00:12.42 | eddieck | ya |
| 00:12.56 | eddieck | good question: how easy is the Pre to take apart? I destroyed several iPhones because of how hard they were to open' |
| 00:14.37 | eddieck | fyi to anyone kernel hacking: you don't need to restore w/ webOS Doctor if your kernel doesn't work, just go into bootie and setenv bootfile uImage-old |
| 00:17.49 | destinal1 | ah, bootie has a "help" command, cool |
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| 00:24.26 | thatdude | Hello everyone. |
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| 00:25.13 | destinal1 | thatdude: hey |
| 00:26.22 | thatdude | destinal1: Doing alright, how about yourself? |
| 00:27.32 | tharris- | sup |
| 00:28.10 | thatdude | destinal1: This post just pisses me off - http://alturl.com/uiqm |
| 00:28.44 | thatdude | Don't ask me why, just wanted to vent. |
| 00:29.03 | destinal1 | thatdude: post #1 on that thread? |
| 00:29.33 | thatdude | destinal1: Yeah |
| 00:29.44 | destinal1 | I haven't been following any of that stuff, so I don't get why |
| 00:30.26 | thatdude | destinal1: I made the mistake of posting my app thinking it was related to webos-internal at first |
| 00:30.41 | bpadalino | PuffTheMagic: there is a piece of software that gets installed that opens the USB interface and opens a tcp port (novacomd) ... all comms with the pre using the webos dr uses the novacom protocol - but still require the novacomd driver/daemon to be installed - sorry for the confusion earlier |
| 00:31.29 | thatdude | destinal1: I should have msg PuffTheMagic with the link, he would of curse me out. |
| 00:32.04 | egaudet | what port? |
| 00:32.12 | thatdude | PuffTheMagic: How is the Terminal going? Terminal + Eclipse + thatdude = failure. |
| 00:34.20 | destinal1 | bbl |
| 00:40.40 | egaudet | what port does novacomd use |
| 00:44.03 | bpadalino | 6968 for the decafbad protocol i am pretty sure |
| 00:44.36 | bpadalino | 6970 i think for debug info |
| 00:47.41 | tyler_wylie | If you root the pre, install optware and some homebrew apps, and then turn off dev mode... updates won't break it will it? |
| 00:48.07 | tyler_wylie | Or is WebOS picky about what goes on under the skin |
| 00:48.16 | rwhitby | tyler_wylie: nope. modifications are the only things that can break updates if you don't use quilt to manage them properly. |
| 00:48.31 | rwhitby | optware and homebrew specifically stays out of the way of webOS. |
| 00:49.01 | rwhitby | leaving dev mode on, or leaving the filesystem writable, will not affect updates either. |
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| 00:49.57 | tyler_wylie | rwhitby: nice, are there any downsides to leaving dev mode on? |
| 00:49.57 | rwhitby | tyler_wylie: it leaves some network ports open I believe. |
| 00:49.57 | rwhitby | doesn't have a Pre, and dev mode is permanently on in the emulator. |
| 00:50.33 | rwhitby | So I'm now optimistic that we will have a standard ipkg feed format, and GUI app installers that support it. |
| 00:51.03 | rwhitby | Both PreCentral and PimpMyPre have now publicly stated they will publish their feeds in the standard format. |
| 00:51.22 | psykoz | oh cool ;) |
| 00:51.40 | rwhitby | I'm hoping PreGame will make that pledge too for fileCoaster. |
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| 01:00.17 | thatdude | Anyone going to the preDev camp in New York? |
| 01:06.08 | rwhitby | posts http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/196977-towards-open-interoperable-homebrew-ecosystem.html |
| 01:07.06 | PuffTheMagic | thatdude: what link |
| 01:07.48 | thatdude | http://predevcamp.org/ |
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| 01:10.26 | kesne | Hey |
| 01:10.33 | thatdude | PuffTheMagic: See one close to you? |
| 01:10.33 | kesne | Anyone here want to Beta test a Checkers game? |
| 01:10.46 | tyler_wylie | will it kill my dog |
| 01:10.57 | thatdude | kesne: Sure, if it wont kill my cat. |
| 01:11.03 | tyler_wylie | thatdude: I win' |
| 01:11.07 | PuffTheMagic | thadood: why would i curse you out for that? |
| 01:11.23 | thatdude | PuffTheMagic: Hahaha wrong link |
| 01:11.39 | thatdude | PuffTheMagic: The one I said about you cursing me out is the following.... |
| 01:11.45 | kesne | thatdude: haha, just email me at jordangens@gmail.com |
| 01:12.03 | thatdude | http://alturl.com/uiqm |
| 01:12.14 | thatdude | Check that out Puf, lol. |
| 01:13.41 | PuffTheMagic | i am all for that stuff |
| 01:13.46 | PuffTheMagic | why would i curse you out? |
| 01:14.13 | thatdude | PuffTheMagic: Nevermind, you never got the inside joke. |
| 01:14.21 | PuffTheMagic | no i dont think so |
| 01:19.18 | thatdude | PuffTheMagic: Are you planning to go to the preDevCamp? |
| 01:20.18 | PuffTheMagic | lol no |
| 01:20.48 | PuffTheMagic | i dont really care about pre dev... i like the pre cause its a linux box that fits in my plam :D |
| 01:20.54 | PuffTheMagic | and i put linux on everything i own |
| 01:20.58 | PuffTheMagic | and this already has it |
| 01:20.59 | tyler_wylie | plams |
| 01:21.02 | PuffTheMagic | so i love it even more :D |
| 01:21.08 | PuffTheMagic | palm |
| 01:21.08 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 01:21.20 | thatdude | PuffTheMagic: :D |
| 01:21.27 | PuffTheMagic | and while i am at it i will hack around a little bit |
| 01:21.30 | PuffTheMagic | and write some stuff |
| 01:21.40 | PuffTheMagic | but i dont program for profession |
| 01:23.56 | thatdude | geez irssi and their commands /window close instead of just /close or /leave |
| 01:24.18 | gxti | thatdude: irssi has /leave, also /part |
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| 01:24.24 | gxti | and /wc as a shortcut for /window close |
| 01:25.01 | tyler_wylie | irssi also fits in gnu screen |
| 01:25.01 | tyler_wylie | ;) |
| 01:25.05 | thatdude | gxti: thanks for the heads up. When I read their 411 page a while back that's what they showed. |
| 01:25.30 | thatdude | I have irssi installed on a linux box |
| 01:25.52 | tyler_wylie | thatdude: irssi on a server with screen = just ssh into my server and reattach screen, and irssi stays connected 24/7 |
| 01:26.07 | thatdude | tyler_wylie: Yep, same setup I have. |
| 01:28.01 | thatdude | kesne: Ping |
| 01:28.11 | kesne | What? |
| 01:28.22 | thatdude | I am waiting for you. |
| 01:28.50 | thatdude | Unless you changed your mind. |
| 01:30.57 | mrvc-away | Hey all |
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| 01:33.38 | jcrawford | hey everyone |
| 01:33.47 | rwhitby | tyler_wylie: I use 'bip' and just connect to it from any IRC client that might be available ... |
| 01:34.41 | tyler_wylie | rwhitby: never heard of bip before.., I just like this because as long as I have a bash shell or if I'm unlucky, even just putty, I can get in |
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| 01:35.22 | rwhitby | tyler_wylie: yep, your solution may well be more cross-platform than mine - I need an IRC client on the local interface :-) |
| 01:36.42 | thatdude|coding | tyler_wylie: bip is an irc proxy. |
| 01:36.51 | tyler_wylie | rwhitby: just wait until there's an SSH client for WebOS |
| 01:37.08 | rwhitby | tyler_wylie: there already is. Terminal plus openssh |
| 01:37.20 | tyler_wylie | rwhitby: there's a terminal app? |
| 01:37.32 | thatdude|coding | tyler_wylie: Yes |
| 01:37.57 | thatdude|coding | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal |
| 01:38.06 | thatdude|coding | It's a sexy beast. |
| 01:38.54 | czarphanguye | <3 Webos terminal, yet prob don't use it as often as I should |
| 01:39.06 | tyler_wylie | pre alpha... nice haha |
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| 01:49.13 | tyler_wylie | irssi on my phone |
| 01:50.03 | tyler_wylie | and back to PC |
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| 02:00.10 | CIA-29 | Lclarkjr wiki * r3867 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Email_DeleteAll - New page: {{template:patch}} This will add a button at the bottom of the screen with a trashcan icon between the Compose and Refresh buttons. Selecting the button will delete all email items in the ... |
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| 02:14.42 | Technobabble | sup guys |
| 02:14.46 | Technobabble | what's the word filter file again? |
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| 02:21.38 | bpadalino | it's somewhere in /etc |
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| 02:26.03 | Technobabble | nm, found it |
| 02:26.13 | Technobabble | /etc/palm/autoreplace/en_us/text-edit-autoreplace |
| 02:26.18 | Technobabble | in case anyone was wondering |
| 02:26.30 | Technobabble | this ill to i'll is annoying as hell |
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| 03:01.44 | tharris- | sup |
| 03:02.07 | CIA-29 | Rboatright wiki * r3873 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Preware_Service - create |
| 03:04.27 | rwhitby | that's been renamed to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/IPKG_Service |
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| 03:15.25 | tyler_wylie | The best part about homebrew apps is when they use ugly ass styles/themes I can go in and fix it and make a new package and reinstall |
| 03:17.08 | tyler_wylie | thanks ipkg |
| 03:19.16 | emrys | I read the channel policy and am still unclear. Are questions about getting novacom/term working on-topic? |
| 03:19.33 | tyler_wylie | I'll help out with helping with novaterm |
| 03:19.34 | james_ | yes emrys that is ok |
| 03:19.43 | james_ | you can also find details on webos-internals.org |
| 03:20.30 | emrys | Ok. As far as I can tell novacomd isn't seeing my device over USB; I get no output to that effect anyway, and novaterm gives "unable to find device". |
| 03:20.37 | emrys | It can see the emulator fine. |
| 03:20.48 | james_ | emrys, do you have the mojo sdk installed? |
| 03:20.52 | emrys | I don't use udev/hotplug so I am assuming I'm missing some event that novacomd watches for to tell it something is there. |
| 03:21.06 | emrys | james_, yes, and I can connect novaterm to the simulator from the SDK fine. |
| 03:21.21 | tyler_wylie | emrys: are you seeing the device in dmesg? |
| 03:21.26 | emrys | yes |
| 03:21.53 | emrys | and I can mount it as usb storage fine, independently of trying to use novaterm (ie, I'm not tryin gto use novaterm while it's mounted) |
| 03:21.54 | james_ | can you install apps with palm-install or do you get the same error (no device found)? |
| 03:22.02 | tyler_wylie | maybe you can specify options to novaterm (the info you get from dmesg?) |
| 03:22.26 | emrys | from novaterm's help page it only knows about devices novacomd knows about |
| 03:22.50 | james_ | for me, i just installed the sdk and all i had to do was type novaterm in the terminal |
| 03:22.59 | james_ | i guess i can't help you :/ |
| 03:23.07 | emrys | is dev mode supposed to turn on telnet or anything? I'm scanning the device and not seeing anything but 113 open, dev mode or not dev mode |
| 03:23.11 | james_ | oh yes |
| 03:23.15 | james_ | dev mode must be on |
| 03:23.23 | james_ | infact, if it's not on it says no device found |
| 03:23.31 | james_ | lol, maybe that's it |
| 03:23.34 | tyler_wylie | emrys: dev mode needs to be on |
| 03:23.40 | emrys | dev mode is on...turned it on, it reset, now it shows it on in the toggle if I bring it up again |
| 03:23.40 | tyler_wylie | konami code that palm |
| 03:24.52 | emrys | should I be seeing any other ports open with dev mode on? |
| 03:25.01 | tyler_wylie | emrys: yes, in fact it should be a high port |
| 03:25.11 | emrys | what port? |
| 03:25.15 | tyler_wylie | I think it's random |
| 03:25.45 | tyler_wylie | copying /home/tyler/workspace/com.tylerm.tylershelloworld_1.0.0_all.ipk to /media/internal/developer/com.tylerm.tylershelloworld_1.0.0_all.ipk on device castle-linux (5DA9DFC6CF5DD4D1C327888E8D34481EB3620767:usb:40365) |
| 03:25.51 | tyler_wylie | That's what I got from a palm-install |
| 03:26.42 | emrys | novacomd is probably looking for some kind of kernel trigger I don't have running. |
| 03:26.53 | tyler_wylie | turn on udev/hotplug then ;) |
| 03:27.03 | emrys | easier said than done heh |
| 03:27.10 | tyler_wylie | using a 2.4 kernel? |
| 03:27.28 | emrys | no, just don't want to tweak that much |
| 03:28.08 | emrys | especially when worst case I can probably use an ubuntu live cd or something to just get in long enough to put ssh on it |
| 03:28.32 | tyler_wylie | I ended up dual booting ubuntu until I figured out how to install the sdk in my distro of choice |
| 03:28.41 | emrys | that part was fun at least |
| 03:28.47 | james_ | i have ubuntu and the sdk works fine |
| 03:28.48 | Technobabble | does sftp allow for root login? |
| 03:28.51 | emrys | ar is your friend |
| 03:29.02 | tyler_wylie | Technobabble: depends on the sshd_config |
| 03:29.29 | Technobabble | by default, i'm guessing the answer is no |
| 03:30.08 | tyler_wylie | Technobabble: I'm going to look at the config file, find the option, and then relay the information to you |
| 03:30.25 | Technobabble | oh, i was going to look, but that would be awesome, thank you |
| 03:30.34 | tyler_wylie | PermitRootLogin yes is commented out |
| 03:30.44 | tyler_wylie | on default configs |
| 03:30.46 | Technobabble | where's that file located? |
| 03:31.00 | tyler_wylie | find / -iname "sshd_config" |
| 03:31.19 | tyler_wylie | that'll tell you where it is |
| 03:31.29 | tyler_wylie | should be /var/opt/etc/sshd |
| 03:31.37 | tyler_wylie | er etc/openssh |
| 03:32.21 | Technobabble | hrm, there's 2 of them |
| 03:32.53 | Technobabble | if i'm not mistaken, it's under /opt |
| 03:33.01 | tyler_wylie | Mine is under /var/opt |
| 03:34.09 | Zuchmir2 | anyone know hot generate an event from plugin? |
| 03:34.41 | Zuchmir2 | in mojo, u can Mojo.Event.send(element, name{string}, mojoDetails, optionalBubbles, optionaCancel) |
| 03:38.18 | Technobabble | /opt/etc/openssh/ssh_config |
| 03:38.19 | Technobabble | /var/opt/etc/openssh/ssh_config |
| 03:38.31 | Technobabble | is it normal for me to have both of those? |
| 03:39.17 | rwhitby | Technobabble: /opt is a bind mount of /var/opt |
| 03:39.29 | rwhitby | (think symlink, but hidden from view) |
| 03:39.41 | Technobabble | oh, that makes sense |
| 03:39.58 | Technobabble | i remember something in the logic saying something about this chan's devels using /opt for their stuff |
| 03:40.07 | Technobabble | so i assumed /opt was the right one |
| 03:40.14 | rwhitby | only for optware stuff, not homebrew apps |
| 03:40.19 | Technobabble | okay, so here's the better question, i think |
| 03:40.38 | Technobabble | rather than sftping in as root, should i be changing the perms on the folders like wallpaper? |
| 03:40.41 | rwhitby | Technobabble: /opt and /var/opt are the *same* files, just mounted twice in different places |
| 03:41.18 | Technobabble | right, i gotcha |
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| 03:43.22 | Technobabble | so should i change the perms on /media/internal so i can create folders to sort my photos in? |
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| 03:43.34 | Technobabble | or what would be the advised way of handling that? |
| 03:47.57 | emrys | well I found half the problem, didn't even have usbfs mounted |
| 03:48.08 | tyler_wylie | emrys: haha |
| 03:48.13 | emrys | now I get "novacom_usb_rx_thread:326: error reading packet, shutting down, rc: -1" over and over again |
| 03:50.11 | eddieck | http://code.google.com/p/qemu-omap3/ |
| 03:50.26 | eddieck | maybe that's an alternative to a $150 Beagle |
| 03:51.56 | emrys | what version of libusb do y'all who have this working have in your distro? |
| 03:52.47 | bpadalino | emrys: geist would be interested in seeing that i think |
| 03:53.43 | Technobabble | does the pre not have chmod ? 'cause when i try to chmod my directory, it stays the same but the date changes to 1969 |
| 03:53.53 | tyler_wylie | emrys: libusb-0.1.12-21.fc11.i586 |
| 03:53.55 | Technobabble | drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 32768 Dec 31 1969 internal |
| 03:55.07 | emrys | that's...a really old libusb |
| 03:55.35 | tyler_wylie | emrys: oh, and libusb1-1.0.0-2.fc11.i586 |
| 03:56.03 | bpadalino | tyler_wylie: are you doing that to /media/internal ? |
| 03:56.18 | bpadalino | because chmod doesn't work too well with vfat partitions |
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| 03:56.31 | tyler_wylie | bpadalino: wrong person you're takling to |
| 03:56.42 | bpadalino | whoops |
| 03:56.43 | bpadalino | sorry |
| 03:56.47 | bpadalino | Technobabble: that was for you |
| 03:56.48 | bpadalino | :( |
| 03:57.49 | Technobabble | bpadalino, wait what? |
| 03:57.52 | Technobabble | this thing's vfat? |
| 03:57.57 | bpadalino | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.00 | tyler_wylie | Technobabble: how else would it work on any OS |
| 03:58.00 | destinal | bpadalino: tab completion strikes again |
| 03:58.15 | bpadalino | heh |
| 03:58.22 | Technobabble | well how are you guys sftping files onto it? |
| 03:58.43 | Technobabble | or am i the only confused one trying to do something that's ill advised |
| 04:00.27 | ark3qqq | Technobabble: I've been happy with rsync. |
| 04:02.50 | Technobabble | i've never used rsync |
| 04:02.50 | Technobabble | but i've always wanted to try it out on something |
| 04:03.02 | tyler_wylie | Technobabble: rsync is amazing |
| 04:03.05 | Technobabble | sounds like a good little project |
| 04:03.11 | tyler_wylie | Technobabble: rsynv -av :D |
| 04:03.26 | Technobabble | is it already installed? |
| 04:04.03 | Technobabble | whoa, yeah it is |
| 04:05.07 | ark3qqq | destinal: I've got 5x7 and 6x10 working on my Pre, but that's by checking out an older version of the tree. At least as of last night, head was segfaulting for me. |
| 04:05.37 | Technobabble | nice, there's even a page on it |
| 04:07.15 | Zuchmir2 | ark3qqq: did u take the latest term mojo section as well? |
| 04:07.53 | ark3qqq | Zuchmir2: Come to think of it, I may have forgotten to put that on the device. Wow, what a clever move on my part... |
| 04:08.55 | ark3qqq | Zuchmir2: It looks like some of the Mojo stuff is changing rapidly (again, as of yesterday). I'm not sure how I should integrate 5x7 and 6x10 into what's already there. On my Pre, I have them set up as small and normal, respectively. |
| 04:08.57 | Zuchmir2 | ... it's not supposed to segfault even w/the wrong mojo, ... was it a segfault, or white-screen? |
| 04:09.00 | emrys | tyler_wylie: what kernel version? |
| 04:09.14 | tyler_wylie | emrys: 2.6.29.6-217.2.3.fc11.i586 |
| 04:09.36 | emrys | bother |
| 04:09.38 | ark3qqq | Zuchmir2: Luna died and restarted. There was a mini-core file (really just a gdb backtrace) that said segmentation violation. I might still have it somewhere. |
| 04:09.48 | emrys | it's finding the device in the usb bus it just can't manage to open the thing |
| 04:10.07 | Zuchmir2 | did u restart lunabefore starting terminal? |
| 04:10.20 | ark3qqq | Zuchmir2: Yes. |
| 04:10.30 | Zuchmir2 | ... ie if u ran terminal, then upgraded the plugin it's known to segfault |
| 04:10.46 | ark3qqq | Zuchmir2: I've been restarting Luna after each build. Otherwise weird stuff happens. |
| 04:11.01 | ark3qqq | Zuchmir2: Yeah, I noticed that, but that's not what I mean in this case. |
| 04:11.25 | Zuchmir2 | hmm, have you been looking at the log output? |
| 04:11.51 | ark3qqq | Zuchmir2: I haven't tried to debug it at all. I figured I'd wait a day and try again. I'm about to do that. |
| 04:12.35 | ark3qqq | Zuchmir2: In any case I was able to get a version of the code similar to the last release and that ran fine. |
| 04:12.35 | ark3qqq | Zuchmir2: Don't you guys tag when you release? |
| 04:12.44 | Zuchmir2 | ok, for lots of debug output, in common.h, make sure DEBUG_OUTPUT is defined |
| 04:12.58 | ark3qqq | Where would the output wind up? |
| 04:13.32 | Zuchmir2 | are u logged in via ssh or novaterm? |
| 04:13.58 | ark3qqq | ssh |
| 04:14.08 | emrys | geist is the person who might have an idea on this? |
| 04:14.08 | ark3qqq | ssh over usbnet, in case that matters. |
| 04:14.43 | Zuchmir2 | initctl stop LunaSysMgr; LunaSysMgr |
| 04:14.53 | Zuchmir2 | and u will see it in that console |
| 04:15.04 | ark3qqq | Ah, that makes sense. |
| 04:15.20 | Zuchmir2 | u can redirect the outpt to file if u want |
| 04:15.27 | ark3qqq | I have screen. I'm good. :) |
| 04:15.33 | Zuchmir2 | ... for pastebin |
| 04:16.29 | ark3qqq | Anyhow, is there a vision for how more than two font choices ought to work in the near term? |
| 04:16.46 | Zuchmir2 | but for logs to be helpfull, please make sure to compile with DEBUG_OUTPUT |
| 04:17.18 | Zuchmir2 | u can manually change it (in mojo), but i'm not sure where |
| 04:17.42 | Zuchmir2 | the mojo keeps changing back and forth, that i can't keep track of where the mods should be |
| 04:17.55 | ark3qqq | Who else is working on this stuff? |
| 04:18.44 | Zuchmir2 | mrvc, and PuffTheMagic |
| 04:19.10 | PuffTheMagic | pong |
| 04:20.37 | Zuchmir2 | PuffTheMagic: any ideas how to get the font/color choice back into mojo? |
| 04:21.20 | ark3qqq | We'll have 4x6, 5x7, and 6x10 for sure, and maybe that ugly 8x8 as well, as possible font choices. |
| 04:22.01 | Zuchmir2 | ark3qqq: u have 5x7 and 6x10 font? |
| 04:22.27 | ark3qqq | Speaking of which... So I can git add the two xpms then git commit them? And then what, git push? |
| 04:22.32 | ark3qqq | doesn't know git too well... |
| 04:22.49 | Zuchmir2 | do u have git push access? |
| 04:22.50 | ark3qqq | Zuchmir2: Err, yes. They're both very nice. |
| 04:22.59 | ark3qqq | Zuchmir2: How do I tell? |
| 04:23.35 | Zuchmir2 | ... someone has to give write access, ask destinal for write access |
| 04:24.06 | ark3qqq | Do I have the steps right? I'll just try it and see, as long as the steps I said make sense. |
| 04:24.58 | Zuchmir2 | pull, commit, push |
| 04:25.59 | ark3qqq | Okay, that seems to have worked. |
| 04:27.09 | Zuchmir2 | ok, i see them, ... pulling... |
| 04:27.34 | ark3qqq | To try 'em out, just hack fontinfo.cpp. They're shiny. |
| 04:31.00 | epv | oh yay nice work converting the fonts |
| 04:31.11 | ark3qqq | Thanks. |
| 04:31.42 | Zuchmir2 | ... i'm adding them now to fontinfo.cpp |
| 04:35.12 | destinal | :) |
| 04:36.14 | ark3qqq | destinal: release tags? |
| 04:37.53 | destinal | ark3qqq: we release by updating the preware makefile in the preware.git repository. unfortunately we can't tag at the moment because we're lumped in with all this other junk |
| 04:38.15 | destinal | we need to break out terminal into its own repository I think |
| 04:39.02 | ark3qqq | Why not tag anyway? What harm is there to the other junk? |
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| 04:41.46 | destinal | ark3qqq: well.. uh.. |
| 04:41.47 | destinal | hmm |
| 04:42.08 | destinal | that would tag the entire repo terminal-0.1.7 for instance? |
| 04:42.17 | destinal | I guess it doesn't hurt anything technically |
| 04:42.55 | ark3qqq | As a temporary measure... Or otherwise at least note down the revision of the release, so it can be reconstructed. |
| 04:43.17 | ark3qqq | Is it difficult to move terminal to another repository? Again, my git newb-ishness here is hurting me. |
| 04:43.25 | Zuchmir2 | just pushed the mod |
| 04:43.48 | destinal | I'm not a git expert but it's not something I feel like digging into tonight -- maybe weekend |
| 04:44.51 | ark3qqq | Perhaps recording the revision number when you do a release is the way to go for now. Where you planning to do a release in the next couple of days? |
| 04:45.02 | ark3qqq | (weekend === predevcamp for me) |
| 04:49.06 | ark3qqq | Ack... I need to run. I'll be back later. |
| 05:10.19 | PuffTheMagic | Zuchmir2: yeah if we use a new stage for the prefs instead of pushing a new scene the terminal wont get reset |
| 05:10.31 | PuffTheMagic | so we can update the prefs and then force a redraw |
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| 05:35.46 | imop45 | Hey im having a problem installing the add-del launcher pages .patch |
| 05:36.13 | Zuchmir2 | PuffTheMagic: ok, or at least let "new" terminals have the prefs |
| 05:37.10 | PuffTheMagic | well i think we can update the existing terms |
| 05:37.11 | imop45 | http://webos.pastebin.com/d5346dc5b |
| 05:37.20 | imop45 | Could someone please help. |
| 05:37.20 | PuffTheMagic | as long as the prefs are in a central place they can all access |
| 05:37.29 | PuffTheMagic | i already added the forceRedraw function |
| 05:40.04 | imop45 | please somebody i cant figure this out b/c the wiki says its 1.1 compatible |
| 05:41.25 | imop45 | also..the landscape email works for me although im in 1.1 |
| 05:42.29 | imop45 | nvrmind but i still need help with add/del pages |
| 05:44.10 | imop45 | somebody |
| 05:47.24 | Zuchmir2 | PuffTheMagic: ok, i guess someone w/mojo skill should try to figure that out |
| 05:47.50 | PuffTheMagic | Zuchmir2: i started trying to get db working |
| 05:47.53 | PuffTheMagic | using depot |
| 05:47.55 | PuffTheMagic | but its not |
| 05:48.00 | PuffTheMagic | i might just use direct databse calls |
| 05:48.12 | PuffTheMagic | first we need get db working |
| 05:48.20 | PuffTheMagic | then we can get a prefs model working |
| 05:48.31 | PuffTheMagic | then we can make each term listen to the model |
| 05:48.31 | Zuchmir2 | ok |
| 05:48.35 | PuffTheMagic | and udpate when the model is changed |
| 05:49.00 | Zuchmir2 | sounds good to me |
| 05:52.25 | imop45 | :qw is save in vi? |
| 05:52.42 | Zuchmir2 | :wq |
| 05:52.51 | imop45 | thanks |
| 05:52.51 | Zuchmir2 | :w = w, :q = quit |
| 05:53.44 | imop45 | What does CTRL+Z do in putty? |
| 05:55.33 | Zuchmir2 | dunno, but usualy that paused the active program |
| 05:55.49 | destinal | ctrl-z in a shell suspends the current job |
| 05:55.57 | imop45 | Welp it didnt save my vi session thats for sure |
| 05:56.09 | ameng | destinal:hey |
| 05:56.16 | destinal | imop45: you can run "fg" |
| 05:56.17 | destinal | to return |
| 05:56.42 | imop45 | well i messed up and am so used to ctrl z to undo |
| 05:56.57 | destinal | ameng: heya |
| 05:57.18 | destinal | imop45: yeah, just type fg and hit enter at a shell prompt and it will unsuspend |
| 05:57.52 | imop45 | Well putty didnt freeze up. basically did ctrl+c |
| 05:57.58 | destinal | not really |
| 05:58.03 | destinal | it looks like it but it didnt |
| 05:58.15 | destinal | it is still running in the "background" where you can't see it |
| 05:58.23 | emrys | anyone around who understands the novacom protocol? |
| 05:58.35 | ameng | destinal: I figured out some idea to make the your NPPlugin as a backend to directfb. Now I am writting some concept code. if you konw someone doing the same thing, let me know |
| 05:58.37 | destinal | run "jobs" to list your jobs and you'll see it |
| 05:58.52 | destinal | ameng: that's been on my list for a while and I have been otherwise occupied |
| 05:59.00 | destinal | ameng: I'd love to work with you on it |
| 06:00.03 | Zuchmir2 | ameng: u mean exposing drawing primitives as api to mojo? |
| 06:01.58 | ameng | Just like that directfb runing on a pixbuf with all graphics operation fallback to software no hw acceleration |
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| 06:02.44 | ameng | If we have dfb worked, then gtk progs can run on luma |
| 06:03.19 | destinal | ameng: the biggest thing is we need to keep the directfb program loosely coupled with the plugin |
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| 06:03.24 | destinal | call the plugin an "adapter" :) |
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| 06:03.33 | ameng | destinal: yeah |
| 06:04.23 | destinal | kind of how classic starts up and runs its PalmClassic binary and handles communication between the browser and the other process |
| 06:04.23 | imop45 | does anyone know about the quilt packages? |
| 06:04.46 | ameng | i know little about how classic works |
| 06:04.50 | destinal | palm calls all its plugins "adapters" with the concept of just wrapping something to make it fit the browser |
| 06:05.01 | destinal | which I think makes a lot of sense |
| 06:05.11 | destinal | we don't want to shove huge programs into Luna as a general rule |
| 06:06.19 | destinal | and the program itself doesn't need to understand how a browser works, just update a second screen buffer, parts of which get blitted in on draw requests |
| 06:06.28 | destinal | by the adapter |
| 06:07.04 | epv | ooh all the plugin has to do is update a screen buffer? that's cool |
| 06:07.11 | epv | i suppose i should actually read the source :) |
| 06:07.13 | ameng | good idea, but a little difficult |
| 06:07.49 | destinal | epv: yeah, check out basicplugin first, then termplugin, if you're interested |
| 06:08.31 | destinal | ameng: couldn't we map shared memory? |
| 06:08.46 | destinal | the adapter plugin would never write there, only read |
| 06:09.37 | ameng | destinal: dfb uses shared memory, we just need to write a new dfb system module |
| 06:11.35 | destinal | ameng: does dfb support RGBA screen buffers already? |
| 06:11.36 | ameng | the dfb system module have a screen and input devices abstracted from the plugin |
| 06:11.45 | destinal | or do we need to write that |
| 06:11.59 | ameng | destinal: yeah, all kinds of pixformats |
| 06:12.15 | destinal | ameng: sounds very promising |
| 06:12.28 | destinal | looks like it has blitting functions also |
| 06:12.53 | destinal | our current for loop idea is a bit too unaccelerated for my tastes :) |
| 06:13.16 | ameng | yeah ,it has all software graphic operation fallback if there is no hw accer |
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| 06:32.28 | Zuchmir2 | is there a way to comile an plugin against an lib*.a, and all symbols needed from lib*.a to be in the .so plugin? |
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| 06:33.55 | imop45 | hey got an idea for the bootloader splash. |
| 06:34.24 | imop45 | bootupscreen splash* the matrix verticle numbers and palm |
| 06:37.30 | imop45 | hey does rsync backup everything even your patches and your launcher pages setup on onto a new pre? |
| 06:42.37 | PuffTheMagic | Zuchmir2: so static link a shared lib into another shared lib? |
| 06:42.39 | PuffTheMagic | yeah u can do that |
| 06:42.49 | PuffTheMagic | err |
| 06:43.05 | PuffTheMagic | static link a static archive into a shared lib |
| 06:43.07 | PuffTheMagic | yeah you can do that |
| 06:44.58 | Zuchmir2 | i would think so, i think i found what the error i was haviing... |
| 06:47.37 | Zuchmir2 | ... the library i was compiling against didn't have that function in it (it was built w/o it) |
| 06:47.46 | epv | heh |
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| 11:52.50 | blau-mikeDG | anyone got some ideas on how to disable data/ |
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| 12:26.19 | jcrawford | wtf i no longer have reboot on my device :( |
| 12:26.22 | jcrawford | where did that go? |
| 12:28.19 | jcrawford | had to webos dr it so guessing reboot was part of bash or something |
| 12:35.32 | jcrawford | filecoaster is very sick |
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| 12:48.00 | nebula | anyone from the Boston area? I just signed up to be the community organizer....... need help... |
| 12:48.04 | jcrawford | nebula, you wouldn't by chance be the organizer |
| 12:48.12 | nebula | PreDevCamp |
| 12:48.12 | jcrawford | nebula, nice PM me :) |
| 12:48.32 | jcrawford | was just whoising your host :) noticed you were from Cambridge |
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| 13:44.46 | branded | hello... i've got a really stupid question |
| 13:45.23 | branded | i forgot the root password :'( and am trying to reload the OS using webOS doctor, but it isn't being recognized as attached |
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| 13:46.48 | bpadalino|work | have you got access to novaterm ? |
| 13:48.09 | branded | yes, i use putty |
| 13:48.47 | branded | i'm actually trying the second process here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover |
| 13:48.59 | branded | bpadalino: do you know a way to reset the root password :) |
| 13:50.35 | bpadalino|work | branded, novaterm runs as root already .. |
| 13:50.45 | bpadalino|work | so you will get a root shell using that directly |
| 13:50.50 | bpadalino|work | you can then passwd at the prompt |
| 13:50.54 | bpadalino|work | and change your root password |
| 13:51.10 | bpadalino|work | but that will not change the fact that webos doctor doesn't see your pre |
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| 14:02.25 | jcrawford | branded, turn off the device |
| 14:02.32 | jcrawford | hold the volume up button and turn it back on |
| 14:02.41 | jcrawford | make sure it is connected via usb during that processs |
| 14:02.50 | jcrawford | you will see a big USB logo and it will recognize it |
| 14:02.59 | bpadalino|work | well, it's silly to webdr it just to reset the root password |
| 14:03.04 | bpadalino|work | but you can do what you want |
| 14:03.07 | jcrawford | yes it is |
| 14:03.14 | jcrawford | i would just use novaterm and reset the password |
| 14:03.18 | bpadalino|work | indeed |
| 14:03.38 | nebula | holy crap |
| 14:03.46 | nebula | organizing keeps one busy |
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| 14:05.12 | CreoBrian | Can someone help me figure out how to get the Multiple Launcher Pages patch working? I tried the patch process listed at webos-internals.org and it didnt work :( |
| 14:06.14 | branded | jcrawford: yes, it works! hah... i'm a idiot... who forgets the root password! :( |
| 14:08.24 | jcrawford | lol |
| 14:08.39 | jcrawford | nebula, yea which is why I could not take it on |
| 14:08.42 | jcrawford | too busy with work as it is |
| 14:08.43 | blau-mikeDG | is nt it blaknk |
| 14:08.50 | jcrawford | morning blau-mikeDG |
| 14:09.48 | CreoBrian | Can anyone help me figure out why my quilt patches won't take effect? |
| 14:10.39 | blau-mikeDG | morning |
| 14:13.50 | CreoBrian | please..? |
| 14:27.02 | bpadalino|work | creo, what's happening ? |
| 14:28.22 | CreoBrian | Ok so |
| 14:28.31 | CreoBrian | when I run quilt, after importing the patches to the list, |
| 14:28.56 | CreoBrian | I get an error for each of the patches it tries to apply |
| 14:29.16 | bpadalino|work | so it sounds like maybe it hasn't been updated for 1.1 yet ? |
| 14:29.32 | blau-mikeDG | whats the Mojo.Menu command for preferences? |
| 14:29.42 | CreoBrian | I've added "enable-dev-mode-icon", "enable-landscape-email", and "add-delete-pages-in-the-launcher" |
| 14:29.45 | CreoBrian | Yes, it has been updated |
| 14:29.47 | blau-mikeDG | nm prefsCmd |
| 14:29.51 | bpadalino|work | oh, interesting |
| 14:30.02 | bpadalino|work | so whats the error? paste online ? |
| 14:30.47 | CreoBrian | Well, now the error for enable-dev-mode-icon is different, because I made the change manually |
| 14:30.51 | CreoBrian | but it still won't get to the other ones |
| 14:31.18 | CreoBrian | I've tried removing the patch, but nothing I do seems to have an effect -- i've tried "quilt delete [the patch path]" and |
| 14:31.35 | CreoBrian | "quilt pop [the path to the patch]" |
| 14:31.53 | CreoBrian | it still lists enable dev mode icon in "quilt series" |
| 14:32.01 | CreoBrian | and it won't even try the others |
| 14:32.06 | CreoBrian | but when it DID try the others, |
| 14:32.55 | CreoBrian | it gave me an error saying something about appinfo.json |
| 14:33.39 | CreoBrian | I tried "refresh"ing |
| 14:34.21 | CreoBrian | but it says there's nothing in the patch; now when i try to push, it says it needs to be refreshed :( |
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| 14:35.08 | CreoBrian | So.. I can't refresh it, can't remove it, can't do anything |
| 14:35.20 | CreoBrian | and it won't let me push anything else |
| 14:35.42 | cpcrook | hey all, been messing around a bit with video recording at the command line with some success |
| 14:36.07 | cpcrook | looking to take it a bit further, but im a bit lacking in knowledge |
| 14:38.05 | lunareclipse | Hey I'm Sarah in the forums. I can't help out much (unless of course you need a beta tester). Just wanted to say good job so far. |
| 14:38.43 | cpcrook | thanks - i was just laying in bed last night and decided i couldnt sleep so I'd start digging haha |
| 14:38.50 | blau-mikeDG | cp: hah |
| 14:39.05 | lunareclipse | :-) |
| 14:40.38 | Rick__ | Sarah! Thanks for hanging around. |
| 14:41.03 | Rick__ | lunareclipse: -- nice pun -- luna = mojo eclipse = the editor .. works ..... ! |
| 14:41.57 | lunareclipse | lol, thanks Rick. You guys won't believe it but that's been my alias for years. |
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| 14:43.30 | cpcrook | anyway here is my post detailing what i've been playing around with so far |
| 14:43.49 | cpcrook | maybe those of you with access to the wiki could find a location to put anything of actual value up there |
| 14:43.52 | cpcrook | http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1808081&posted=1#post1807640 |
| 14:44.56 | Rick__ | cpcrook: why not post it yourself please pretty please |
| 14:45.02 | Rick__ | instead of us messing it up. |
| 14:46.02 | Rick__ | Just go to research results |
| 14:46.26 | cpcrook | hahaha well to be honest I absolutely hate the wiki editing interface (i was also under the impression it was restricted access at one point) |
| 14:46.30 | Rick__ | or webos apps and edit it and add a tag [[Video Recording]] |
| 14:46.40 | Rick__ | and click on it, and paste your stuff in |
| 14:46.45 | Rick__ | we will format it for you |
| 14:46.48 | CreoBrian | So I guess no one has any idea about Quilt |
| 14:46.57 | Rick__ | and no, wide open. Requires registration, but that's all. |
| 14:46.57 | CreoBrian | ok well thanks anyway |
| 14:47.06 | Rick__ | CreoBrian: sorry. |
| 14:47.08 | cpcrook | cool cool - ill go take care of that now then |
| 14:47.09 | Rick__ | no idea at all |
| 14:47.11 | Rick__ | thanks |
| 14:47.14 | Rick__ | we'll clean it up. |
| 14:47.19 | Rick__ | just dump your info in |
| 14:47.36 | Rick__ | the advantage of a wiki page is that it doesn't fall off into the back pages of a forum |
| 14:47.40 | Rick__ | it stays "findable." |
| 14:51.16 | nebula | w00t |
| 14:51.22 | nebula | PreDevCamp Boston 2009 is a go! |
| 14:51.56 | nebula | boston public library mezzanine conference room, saturday august 8th from 9AM to 4:30PM! |
| 14:53.47 | gkatsev | yep, awesome |
| 14:54.30 | gkatsev | thats like a few minutes from where i work |
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| 14:57.11 | CIA-29 | Cpcrook wiki * r3892 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/VideoRecording - New page: At your rooted command line: (make sure FS is rw) mount -o remount,rw / gst-launch camsrc ! palmvideoencoder ! filesink location=/media/internal/downloads/foo.mp4 mount -o remount,ro / -... |
| 14:57.49 | cpcrook | time for me to grab a shower and more coffee before continuing to plug away at this... |
| 14:59.19 | blau-mikeDG | anyone figure out a way to disable data |
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| 14:59.28 | blau-mikeDG | without setting to roam only and not data roam |
| 15:00.15 | bpadalino|work | you could probably run some pppdown script |
| 15:00.23 | bpadalino|work | but i have no idea |
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| 15:18.51 | jcrawford | what a video recorder for the pre? |
| 15:19.03 | jcrawford | gkatsev, are you going to preDev? |
| 15:19.11 | jcrawford | I want to, just need to try to iron out the baby sitter etc. |
| 15:20.40 | gkatsev | jcrawford: i am |
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| 15:26.16 | egaudet|Away | in terminal how do i get > to print |
| 15:27.21 | bpadalino|work | > is a file redirect |
| 15:27.25 | destinal | egaudet|Away: I'm afraid that many extended characters not on the pre's physical keypad are not yet implemented :( |
| 15:27.59 | destinal | we need a symbol popup as one of the next features |
| 15:28.54 | cpcrook | jcrawford: I've found a way to do primitive video-only recording from the command line |
| 15:28.56 | egaudet|Away | anyway you can think of to write to a sysfs attribute without redirect? |
| 15:28.57 | cpcrook | no sound, no gui |
| 15:29.23 | egaudet|Away | cpcrook, that is awesome |
| 15:29.29 | jcrawford | cpcrook, nice work, cannot wait till we see some UI for this :D |
| 15:29.41 | jcrawford | i was bummed there was no video recording or voice dialing in the pre |
| 15:30.48 | destinal | yeah I figured with gstreamer it had to be possible without TOO much work |
| 15:30.55 | cpcrook | theres some info on the wiki write now |
| 15:31.03 | destinal | cpcrook: is the camera capable of full motion video? |
| 15:31.05 | cpcrook | im looking at taking the camera preview source and using that |
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| 15:31.16 | cpcrook | yeah the camera will do 30fps at lower res |
| 15:31.22 | cpcrook | its spec'd for 20fps @ full res |
| 15:31.30 | cpcrook | which is pretty ridiculous |
| 15:31.48 | LinuxWhore | cpcrook: Awesome. Just tried it out. It appears though that because it's in H.264 format, the file extension should be .mts os similar |
| 15:31.55 | cpcrook | ahhh |
| 15:32.20 | cpcrook | feel free to update the wiki to reflect that - VLC player will play it regardless of file extension for me |
| 15:32.41 | LinuxWhore | Signing up |
| 15:32.58 | cpcrook | quite honestly, im more interested in using theh UDPsink in gstreamer to remotely stream video to another PC/pre |
| 15:33.19 | cpcrook | but im sure that will come in time ;) |
| 15:35.50 | destinal | cpcrook: heh, then we would just need a driver on the PC to use the stream as if it were a local webcam |
| 15:35.51 | destinal | :) |
| 15:36.47 | destinal | that could come in handy -- I wouldn't have to buy one :) |
| 15:40.13 | destinal | cpcrook: can gstream mux in audio as well by any chance? |
| 15:40.50 | cpcrook | gstream is capable of muxing audio although I'm fairly sure the only muxer thats comes on the pre is for AVI |
| 15:41.04 | cpcrook | but theres no AVI encoder so I'm not sure where that leaves us |
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| 15:41.49 | destinal | cpcrook: just a matter of compiling the right gstreamer plugins? |
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| 15:42.27 | cpcrook | perhaps - im really far from an expert on any of this haha |
| 15:42.41 | cpcrook | but yes, it seems that way |
| 15:42.46 | destinal | guess it's yet another technology my pre wants me to learn :) |
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| 15:48.10 | destinal | cpcrook: nice find |
| 15:50.55 | cpcrook | thx |
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| 16:05.05 | blau-mikeDG | hmm |
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| 16:26.27 | blau-mikeDG | stupid cookies are failling me :( |
| 16:27.03 | ework | drink some milk |
| 16:27.07 | Robi_ | use less chocolate chips |
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| 16:28.56 | blau-mikeDG | :( |
| 16:30.24 | blau-mikeDG | im setting the cookie and then reading it back immediately and its fine |
| 16:30.27 | blau-mikeDG | but then its not |
| 16:30.41 | blau-mikeDG | whnen i read it back later |
| 16:41.01 | blau-mikeDG | was someone in here bitching about togglebutton recently |
| 16:42.29 | jcrawford | cpcrook, if you get that remote viewing working it could be a good way to find your phone when stolen :) |
| 16:42.45 | blau-mikeDG | urg |
| 16:43.00 | jcrawford | I was thinking of writing an app that would track your phone for you if it was stolen by having the hidden installed app update a website with the lat/lon coords |
| 16:43.14 | jcrawford | then you could login and see where your phone was located, where it has been going etc. |
| 16:43.30 | jcrawford | but thought maybe too many people would not like the idea of it tracking them as well lol |
| 16:43.49 | blau-mikeDG | 2 stupid issues and im too sleep y to figure them out |
| 16:43.54 | jcrawford | so there would have to be a way for the site to push to the phone and start tracking when you told the website to start tracking it |
| 16:44.08 | emrys | anyone around who understands the novacom protocol? |
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| 16:50.00 | quotemstr | emrys: Yeah. It has two messages: 1) crash, and 2) spin the CPU. :-) |
| 16:52.24 | emrys | heh |
| 16:52.47 | emrys | mine isn't able to connect with my pre when it's on usb and I'm not sure what to make of what strace is showing me |
| 16:58.56 | blau-mikeDG | ok i think maybe the cookies on my device got screwed up |
| 16:59.05 | blau-mikeDG | i uninstalled this app and im still getting the same damn cookie values |
| 16:59.06 | blau-mikeDG | grrrr |
| 16:59.27 | blau-mikeDG | where r cookies kept |
| 17:00.26 | blau-mikeDG | found it |
| 17:00.48 | blau-mikeDG | grrr wtf it happened again i dont understand |
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| 17:04.59 | blau-mikeDG | ugh think i found it doh |
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| 17:16.34 | Robi_ | something overwriting it? |
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| 17:32.30 | blau-mikeDG | i had a cookie.put in the deactivate method of this scene |
| 17:32.34 | dennisharrison | howdy everyone |
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| 17:33.39 | blau-mikeDG | hi |
| 17:35.53 | dennisharrison | I'm trying to figure out if there is an accepted way of using a luna plugin / browser plugin similar to how terminal / classic work |
| 17:36.18 | dennisharrison | in that, I would like to be able to write a game engine using scala for the pre |
| 17:36.46 | dennisharrison | but I don't want to spend a bunch of time doing this if I can't submit it to the app catalog |
| 17:38.27 | bpadalino|work | app catalog most likely won't accept your modification .. but you can do the work, then try to contact palm and see if you can get it included ? |
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| 17:38.42 | bpadalino|work | obviously they are not averse to adding plugins for limited developers |
| 17:39.04 | dennisharrison | hmm |
| 17:39.22 | dennisharrison | safe to say I should certainly ask first before I do the work ;) |
| 17:40.02 | dennisharrison | well, let me not be the guy in here asking how to plug a into b, when using x might work better |
| 17:40.06 | bpadalino|work | though i am sure it would be popular amongst homebrewers - so probably have a life with that |
| 17:40.09 | blau-mikeDG | just make it and charge people to test it under the guise of donations |
| 17:41.11 | dennisharrison | my goal is to write an engine that will make building a civ / anno game trivial |
| 17:42.29 | dennisharrison | while I could make it 'work' in js, and using the canvas |
| 17:43.06 | dennisharrison | I feel the end result would be less elegant, and more work to do less |
| 17:43.16 | dennisharrison | not to mention a waste of cpu cycles |
| 17:43.17 | blau-mikeDG | did anyone look at how the calendar updates its icon |
| 17:43.25 | blau-mikeDG | im looking for a quick explanation without having to look myself |
| 17:43.29 | bpadalino|work | blau, it has an image for each day |
| 17:43.30 | CIA-29 | bzhou * r10534 optware/trunk/make/webalizer.mk - webalizer: 2.20-1 -> 2.21-02 |
| 17:43.33 | bpadalino|work | and chooses the icon based on the day |
| 17:44.20 | blau-mikeDG | how does it tell thelauncher to change the icon though, is it physically updating appinfo.json? |
| 17:44.25 | blau-mikeDG | is there a way to update appinfo.json? |
| 17:45.02 | dennisharrison | blau-mikeDG, I bet it replaces the icon image |
| 17:45.40 | bpadalino|work | there is a call to change the icon image |
| 17:45.44 | bpadalino|work | and luna just changes it |
| 17:45.55 | bpadalino|work | it creates a string based on the date and says "use this" |
| 17:46.02 | bpadalino|work | something like setIcon or something |
| 17:46.18 | blau-mikeDG | updatelaunchpointicon |
| 17:46.19 | blau-mikeDG | thanks |
| 17:46.36 | blau-mikeDG | in com.palm.applicationManager |
| 17:46.58 | lmorchard | Was going to pastebin the code from the calendar app, but then thought that might be shady :) |
| 17:47.31 | blau-mikeDG | my girlfriends calendar date icon is almost always a day off |
| 17:47.40 | dennisharrison | speaking of the calendar app... did someone forget to put the 'add participants' button? |
| 17:47.42 | bpadalino|work | the update is a little weird |
| 17:48.14 | blau-mikeDG | theres no easy way to get a list of all service methods right? |
| 17:48.15 | CIA-29 | bzhou * r10535 optware/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs) - cdrtools: added config.cache for mipsel and powerpc |
| 17:48.44 | bpadalino|work | not to date |
| 17:48.49 | destinal | blau-mikeDG: does dbus introspection give you all methods, or only namespaces? |
| 17:49.24 | bpadalino|work | most all of the dbus services don't implement the introspection stuff |
| 17:49.27 | bpadalino|work | so you get null sets back |
| 17:49.50 | bpadalino|work | you could always look at the libraries though |
| 17:50.02 | destinal | so we're left with reversing? |
| 17:50.18 | bpadalino|work | since they're c++, they maintain their object types in the symbol names |
| 17:50.37 | destinal | bpadalino|work: which ones? only a few services are c++ |
| 17:50.41 | destinal | I think |
| 17:50.47 | destinal | most are java |
| 17:51.49 | destinal | so it's not hard to decompile them with jd-gui |
| 17:52.07 | bpadalino|work | most are java - but some of them (bluetooth?) are C programs |
| 17:52.11 | bpadalino|work | and luna itself has some stuff on the dbus |
| 17:52.18 | bpadalino|work | s/itself/herself ? |
| 17:53.02 | dennisharrison | lol |
| 17:53.05 | destinal | you can also just sniff dbus if you have something that uses the functions |
| 17:53.29 | destinal | you won't find unused ones that way though of course |
| 17:53.34 | bpadalino|work | right |
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| 18:03.34 | dmr | anyone know if it is possible to enter a pipe symbol '|' into the current version of the terminal program? |
| 18:05.18 | bpadalino|work | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal#Operating_notes |
| 18:05.41 | dmr | aha thank you |
| 18:05.46 | bpadalino|work | you're welcome |
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| 18:07.34 | cpcrook | anyone know how to free up the videosink after using the camera? |
| 18:07.53 | cpcrook | it seems like it queues up a bunch of backlogged commands if you simply kill gstream... |
| 18:08.15 | cpcrook | trying to package up a webos app that will let you flip a switch to record video like the flashlight app... |
| 18:08.42 | bpadalino|work | what format is the video stored as ? |
| 18:09.13 | enio | does it record sound too? |
| 18:09.15 | cpcrook | h.264 encoded |
| 18:09.20 | cpcrook | working on muxing the sound in... |
| 18:09.25 | cpcrook | currently its silent |
| 18:09.28 | bpadalino|work | wow, interesting |
| 18:09.29 | enio | i see |
| 18:09.29 | cpcrook | but high framerate |
| 18:09.33 | bpadalino|work | just like that, huh ? |
| 18:09.34 | enio | nice :) |
| 18:09.47 | cpcrook | no gui yet either |
| 18:09.47 | enio | i can betatest it for ya |
| 18:09.53 | cpcrook | it aint much so far |
| 18:10.01 | enio | cpcrook: u r the one who wrote the wiki page? |
| 18:10.14 | cpcrook | i'm gunna work one getting the same video preview element as the camera app incorporated too |
| 18:10.19 | cpcrook | yeah |
| 18:10.54 | bpadalino|work | video recorder app would definitely be nice .. especially with auto-upload to youtube/vimeo/etc |
| 18:11.20 | cpcrook | hahaha well id like to get it working consistently first, then think about cool features like that |
| 18:11.29 | bpadalino|work | of course |
| 18:11.33 | cpcrook | but anyone who has experience with gstreamer |
| 18:11.36 | cpcrook | or v4l2 |
| 18:11.48 | bpadalino|work | never touched it |
| 18:11.55 | cpcrook | hell, even with the mojo framework (i know very little) |
| 18:11.59 | enio | i only used gstreamer for audio |
| 18:12.10 | bpadalino|work | i'm useless :( |
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| 18:51.49 | cpcrook | hmmm i really need to figure out how to reset the camera discretely... |
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| 18:55.57 | Rick_ | cpcrook, but we can demo home brew video recording at PDC !! |
| 18:56.00 | Rick_ | Wow, that's so cool |
| 18:56.29 | branded | I'm starting my first project... and I've generated a project with palm-generate... |
| 18:56.44 | branded | How do I import this directory structure for viewing in Eclipse package explorer? |
| 18:57.48 | branded | bueller.... bueller... |
| 18:59.03 | branded | anyone... anyone... |
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| 19:00.54 | Hyperian | hey, there's this app in precentral that lets you manually set the LED brightness on the keyboard |
| 19:01.05 | Hyperian | how did they do that, i thought the sdk doesnt support it |
| 19:02.00 | branded | you should be able to look at the source of the program? |
| 19:02.09 | Hyperian | the guy has it as closed sourced |
| 19:02.23 | branded | ahh... tricky tricky... |
| 19:02.32 | Hyperian | http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/brightness-unlinked |
| 19:02.37 | branded | i'm new to deving on here (and deving jscript in general) |
| 19:02.45 | Hyperian | wait.. |
| 19:02.46 | Hyperian | oh |
| 19:02.54 | branded | yea, but doesn't javascript exist on the phone as not compiled? |
| 19:03.05 | branded | can't you just look at the code in the directory structure? |
| 19:04.09 | Hyperian | how would i unpack the .ipk files? |
| 19:04.21 | branded | install it, and look at the structure on your phone |
| 19:04.37 | branded | over SSH (using WinSCP) or vi |
| 19:05.00 | Hyperian | how would i look at the code after installing it? |
| 19:05.11 | branded | find the program files on the phone |
| 19:05.16 | branded | i don't know where they are :) |
| 19:05.22 | branded | like i said, i just started deving |
| 19:05.33 | branded | are you familiar with linux? |
| 19:05.39 | Hyperian | i wish i was |
| 19:05.39 | Hyperian | hah |
| 19:05.40 | branded | look up the find command |
| 19:05.48 | branded | did you "root" your pre? |
| 19:05.52 | Hyperian | no |
| 19:05.54 | branded | you're a dev? |
| 19:05.58 | Hyperian | i am mostly doing webos sdk |
| 19:06.06 | branded | javascript? |
| 19:06.09 | Hyperian | yes |
| 19:06.36 | branded | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Where_to_Get_Started |
| 19:06.41 | branded | check out "option 2" |
| 19:07.14 | Hyperian | yea i've read through that |
| 19:07.19 | branded | did you do it? |
| 19:07.21 | Hyperian | no |
| 19:07.27 | Hyperian | cause i dont know enough linux for it to be useful |
| 19:07.43 | branded | what to be useful? |
| 19:07.49 | Hyperian | to do something |
| 19:07.50 | Hyperian | lol |
| 19:07.50 | branded | i mean, useful how? |
| 19:07.52 | branded | :) |
| 19:07.56 | branded | to do what? |
| 19:08.13 | branded | to "...look at the code after installing it?" |
| 19:08.16 | branded | :D |
| 19:08.18 | Hyperian | well one thing would be to have more hardware access for javascript programs i make |
| 19:08.46 | Hyperian | i should backup my contacts first tho :P |
| 19:08.57 | branded | you don't sync with google? |
| 19:09.09 | Hyperian | it's a mess if i sync with google |
| 19:09.13 | branded | i think your contacts are backed up via your palm profile? |
| 19:09.18 | Hyperian | cause my gmail account has onts of contacts that i dont want in my phone |
| 19:09.29 | branded | yea, i wish they looked into that |
| 19:10.22 | branded | i just "formatted" and flashed the phone |
| 19:10.27 | branded | using webosdoctor from palm |
| 19:10.33 | branded | because I forgot the root password I set |
| 19:10.35 | cpcrook | Rick, where/when is PDC this year? |
| 19:10.52 | branded | primary domain controller? that's so 1998 |
| 19:11.03 | destinal | branded: you could have just used a novaterm |
| 19:11.12 | Hyperian | when you use webosdoctor you get back your backup right? |
| 19:11.18 | branded | oh, yea i didn't realize this |
| 19:11.32 | branded | until today, when i used novaterm |
| 19:11.37 | Rick_ | cpcrook palm dev camp is in 40+ cities around the world this saterday |
| 19:11.39 | branded | it doesn't prompt you for root, right? |
| 19:11.43 | destinal | right |
| 19:11.50 | branded | oh well... it was "fun" anyway |
| 19:11.52 | cpcrook | well damn. |
| 19:11.58 | Hyperian | where does it backup to? |
| 19:12.10 | branded | the magical cloud of the internets |
| 19:12.15 | Hyperian | oh |
| 19:12.18 | Rick_ | have you not been ready ANY of the palm web sites? |
| 19:12.20 | Hyperian | i thought it's just another part of the phone |
| 19:12.27 | branded | it's already happening, and you don't even know it |
| 19:12.30 | cpcrook | i mean i occasionally glance at the actual news on them |
| 19:12.33 | Hyperian | i didnt read ANY of that part on the palm website |
| 19:12.37 | Hyperian | :P |
| 19:12.51 | branded | go to the backup app |
| 19:12.58 | Hyperian | yea i have it turned on |
| 19:13.08 | Hyperian | but i dont recall exactly where it backs up to |
| 19:13.19 | branded | i think palm servers |
| 19:13.23 | Hyperian | oh |
| 19:13.25 | branded | maybe one of these fine gents knows |
| 19:13.47 | destinal | yeah, palm's synergy cloud syncing thing |
| 19:14.51 | Hyperian | bah |
| 19:15.00 | branded | so destinal... can i import a directory structure that i generated with palm-generate into eclipse or kimodo? |
| 19:15.04 | Hyperian | too bad the phone doesnt support any other noiseless formats |
| 19:15.09 | Hyperian | other than wav |
| 19:15.26 | branded | noiseless? |
| 19:15.30 | Hyperian | audio |
| 19:15.49 | branded | it plays mp3s also? |
| 19:16.02 | Hyperian | mp3 isnt noiseless so |
| 19:16.09 | Hyperian | i need the phone to output certain waveforms |
| 19:16.39 | destinal | branded: yeah you can. for eclipse you probably want to get the eclipse plugin, make a new webos app project, then go into the directory it creates and delete everything there by hand, then copy in your existing project, then refresh in eclipse |
| 19:16.52 | destinal | for Komodo, it's probably easier, but I haven't tried it |
| 19:16.56 | branded | destinal: thanks! |
| 19:17.01 | branded | you use eclipse? |
| 19:17.08 | destinal | branded: yup |
| 19:17.10 | branded | Hyperian: interesting |
| 19:17.12 | Hyperian | you can do the same with komodo |
| 19:17.15 | Hyperian | same thing |
| 19:17.15 | Rick_ | Branded for komodo it's dead easy. |
| 19:17.23 | Rick_ | create an empty project in komodo |
| 19:17.35 | Rick_ | copy the app files into the BIN directory below the project. |
| 19:17.38 | Rick_ | open the project. |
| 19:17.39 | Rick_ | done. |
| 19:18.02 | Rick_ | use Templarian's toolkit to create the empty palm project first. |
| 19:18.04 | destinal | so pretty much the same really |
| 19:18.10 | Rick_ | not the file/new from the menu.... |
| 19:18.16 | destinal | except eclipse needing a refresh |
| 19:18.36 | Rick_ | pretty much the same yep. |
| 19:18.44 | branded | why use komodo over eclipse or viceverse? |
| 19:19.05 | Templarian | branded: code completion and ease of use. |
| 19:19.07 | destinal | branded: they are better in different areas at the moment |
| 19:19.21 | branded | so, which is better in where :D |
| 19:19.23 | Templarian | (in a week komodo will be better in every area) |
| 19:19.27 | Rick_ | Komodo has mojo code completion. |
| 19:19.42 | Rick_ | Komodo has package to theemulator, package to the palm, inspect to the emulator |
| 19:19.52 | branded | what do you mean by "code completion?" |
| 19:19.59 | Templarian | Auto Complete. |
| 19:20.05 | branded | ahh... of classes? |
| 19:20.06 | Rick_ | and in a little bit, komodo will have interactive gui debugging..... |
| 19:20.28 | destinal | eclipse has a lot of built in and plugin support for git, svn, cvs, etc version management |
| 19:20.28 | Rick_ | branded, there ARE NO CLASSES in javascript. |
| 19:20.28 | branded | wuzzut?! |
| 19:20.28 | branded | kick ass |
| 19:20.36 | Rick_ | there are objects and there are functions, which are objects. |
| 19:20.40 | Rick_ | there are no classes. |
| 19:20.42 | branded | I'm a c# and vb dev... visual studio IDE :) auto-complete sounds good |
| 19:20.50 | Rick_ | objects inherit directly from other objects. |
| 19:20.50 | branded | "classes" or what not |
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| 19:21.14 | destinal | for Komodo right now you could just do your imports, commits, pushes, etc from the command line or with a seperate tool at the filesystem level |
| 19:21.16 | Rick_ | if you're used to VS IDE you will like the komodo auto complete |
| 19:21.39 | branded | i'm not interested in revision mgmt |
| 19:21.43 | branded | right now :) |
| 19:21.49 | branded | just little ol' me, chillin |
| 19:21.54 | Rick_ | I just made a macro that went to the command line and did git add . git commit git push |
| 19:21.56 | branded | support for mercurial? |
| 19:22.09 | Rick_ | branded, vcs is important even for one man projects. |
| 19:22.12 | destinal | branded: even with just you, a versioning system can help a lot, I know plenty of devs that use a local git repo for instance |
| 19:22.18 | Rick_ | nodnod |
| 19:22.32 | Rick_ | unless you NEVER make a mistake you need to roll back. |
| 19:22.37 | cpcrook | anyone make an IRC client for the Pre yet? |
| 19:22.42 | Rick_ | not yet. |
| 19:22.50 | cpcrook | i know you can get bitchx via optware modules, but nothing webos based |
| 19:23.03 | cpcrook | that'd be awful nice haha |
| 19:23.04 | destinal | cpcrook: also irssi via optware |
| 19:23.09 | Rick_ | yep and access it through terminal |
| 19:23.11 | Hyperian | oh god |
| 19:23.12 | Hyperian | irc on pre |
| 19:23.17 | Hyperian | i would never get anything done |
| 19:23.47 | destinal | the pre just uses pidgin, so pidgin's IRC module should theoretically work |
| 19:23.47 | branded | my project idea is to just write something to query PalmDatabase.db3 for contents of mail and text messages |
| 19:23.47 | Hyperian | someone already made the comic strip app |
| 19:23.53 | branded | no one has done this yet? |
| 19:24.00 | destinal | but we can't build new versions of their dbus to libpurple wrapper |
| 19:24.07 | Rick_ | if you installed bitchx and wrote a tiny tiny service you could pass commands to it, and get the replies back and display them in a window. |
| 19:24.12 | Rick_ | why didn't I think of that. |
| 19:24.25 | destinal | Rick_: because it's ugly and ugly? |
| 19:24.26 | Rick_ | any reason we couldn't add pidgeon's irc module? |
| 19:24.34 | destinal | the bitchx thing I mean :) |
| 19:24.52 | Rick_ | I ment pidgeon destinal |
| 19:24.53 | Rick_ | duh |
| 19:24.53 | destinal | Rick_: we could add pidgin's irc module, the problem is a service |
| 19:25.30 | destinal | Rick_: they provide source code for their libpurple adapter in compliance with license (libpurple is GPL) but it's incomplete |
| 19:25.40 | cpcrook | hmmm |
| 19:25.41 | destinal | missing multiple headers and will not build |
| 19:25.54 | destinal | I have complained to open source address and gotten nothing but silence for weeks |
| 19:26.23 | destinal | :( |
| 19:26.28 | branded | $$, |
| 19:26.49 | Templarian | (it has been discussed before IRC for the pre takes a lot of power you would need push from a dedicated server for it to be worth it). |
| 19:27.23 | Templarian | (or update main log when user turns on phone). |
| 19:27.23 | destinal | Templarian: I don't agree that would help |
| 19:27.30 | cpcrook | if anyone is interested, the video recording app im developing needs a bit of help in terms of using existing camera control methods to kill the videosink properly |
| 19:27.47 | cpcrook | if anyone wants to take a look, I'd start with the palminitmedia.js |
| 19:27.49 | destinal | Templarian: yeah you wouldn't want to stay logged on all day, due to volume of messages] |
| 19:28.02 | cpcrook | and also the camera app controllers |
| 19:28.24 | cpcrook | im otherwise a noob at moible development so any number of other eyes will help :) |
| 19:29.19 | Templarian | destinal: it would work the same way the AIM app works turn it on your phone when you are on the go turn it off when you are on the computer. |
| 19:29.35 | cpcrook | gotta run to dinner - later on |
| 19:32.11 | branded | i also have to run to dinner later on |
| 19:32.24 | destinal | branded: :P |
| 19:32.45 | branded | so, i should use komodo? |
| 19:32.46 | branded | this is what i'm hearing? |
| 19:33.18 | branded | i'm interested in what you think of the idea of searching PalmDatabase.db3 |
| 19:33.20 | branded | ? |
| 19:33.22 | destinal | branded: I'd say try komodo, try eclipse, choose what you like.. though thanks to Templarian komodo is looking better and better |
| 19:33.45 | branded | oh it's this dude... like Templarian right here making stuff? |
| 19:33.51 | branded | wow... that's cool |
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| 19:34.51 | branded | destinal: can you add scenes to existing programs? for instance, could I add a scene to the Email app? |
| 19:35.10 | destinal | branded: not in the eclipse plugin afaik |
| 19:35.16 | Rick_ | you can modify palm's code, but you can't distribute it. |
| 19:35.23 | destinal | Templarian: can you in Komodo? |
| 19:36.01 | destinal | Rick_: sure, he'd want to distribute patches only, but he could certainly edit his copy in an IDE |
| 19:36.20 | Templarian | destinal: It has a add scene button. |
| 19:36.52 | Templarian | (it will ask you for a scene name and verify if it is legal and create it) |
| 19:37.04 | branded | cool |
| 19:37.25 | branded | i'm curious why they didn't include a "search the contents of email" function |
| 19:37.32 | branded | seems easy as hell and totally essential |
| 19:38.04 | Templarian | I hope they add it to the universal search one of these days. |
| 19:38.30 | branded | this is what i'm looking to dev actually |
| 19:38.36 | branded | it should be really easy, no? |
| 19:38.42 | Hyperian | wow there's no carl's junior anywhere near my house |
| 19:38.47 | branded | just handling the outcome of sql queries? |
| 19:39.04 | destinal | branded: I don't know, I didn't think all the contents of email were in a sqlite3 db |
| 19:39.12 | destinal | just headers and such |
| 19:39.14 | branded | carl winslow |
| 19:39.16 | branded | ? |
| 19:39.26 | Hyperian | it's a burger place |
| 19:39.37 | Hyperian | i'm hungry |
| 19:39.51 | branded | ahh... and the messages are in the cloud? |
| 19:39.54 | branded | :( |
| 19:41.05 | destinal | branded: no, on the device |
| 19:41.27 | destinal | in files, though.. they may only be accessible to a service |
| 19:41.46 | destinal | so I'm guessing not searchable without adding a service to do it, but please prove me wrong :) |
| 19:43.14 | Hyperian | what are these services coded in? |
| 19:44.18 | Rick_ | whatever you like |
| 19:44.18 | destinal | Hyperian: in theory any language. the ones palm has used for theirs are c++ and java |
| 19:44.25 | Rick_ | so far homebrew services are in java |
| 19:44.34 | Hyperian | oooo c++ |
| 19:44.35 | ework | what about an irc client that would notify you when your name was used, start retrieving messages and sleep when not in use |
| 19:44.39 | Hyperian | maybe i should code services |
| 19:44.46 | Hyperian | i know c++ already |
| 19:44.55 | Hyperian | bbl FOO |
| 19:44.56 | Hyperian | D |
| 19:45.21 | branded | is there something similar to sysinternal's process monitor for linux? |
| 19:45.28 | destinal | Hyperian: services and browser plugins (and as I've recently found, hidd plugins and probably a lot of other useful things we haven't found yet) can be done in native code |
| 19:45.33 | branded | that I can watch what the system is doing? |
| 19:45.49 | bpadalino|work | top ? |
| 19:45.55 | destinal | branded: watch it _how_ |
| 19:46.06 | destinal | there are lots of different tools for watching different things |
| 19:46.08 | branded | file system access? |
| 19:46.13 | branded | :D |
| 19:46.23 | destinal | branded: lsof (list open files) |
| 19:46.28 | branded | top is like task manager only, right? |
| 19:46.35 | branded | that will update dynamically (like top)? |
| 19:46.39 | destinal | or you can run strace on a given program |
| 19:46.49 | destinal | which watches the syscalls it makes |
| 19:47.12 | branded | strace looks cool |
| 19:47.13 | tmzt | hidd plugins? |
| 19:47.19 | destinal | strace LunaSysMgr looks interesting |
| 19:47.49 | destinal | tmzt: yup, it's how we'll get bluetooth keyboards and remote multitouch devices and who knows what else |
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| 19:48.25 | destinal | tmzt: hidd uses shared object plugins |
| 19:48.40 | tmzt | do you think it would be possible to wrap luna in such a way that Enter Exit VT would suspend the drawing? |
| 19:48.47 | tmzt | seems it would be hard |
| 19:49.48 | destinal | tmzt: I haven't checked it out yet, I was more looking at hidd to add more input devices |
| 19:50.12 | tmzt | ok |
| 19:50.21 | tmzt | I don't know how the bluetooth works though |
| 19:50.36 | tmzt | the hidd is probably simple enough it could be replaced though |
| 19:50.36 | destinal | it's how stuff comes in from the ambient light sensor, the proximity sensor, the keypad, the touchscreen, and other stuff |
| 19:50.45 | tmzt | the protocol I mean |
| 19:50.46 | destinal | this isn't bluetooth |
| 19:50.50 | tmzt | I know |
| 19:51.00 | tmzt | I mean they don't use bluez so I'm not sure how it works |
| 19:51.07 | destinal | they have a proprietary stack |
| 19:51.24 | tmzt | I was very suprised to learn that hidd was not bluetooth when the lockup problems started |
| 19:51.36 | tmzt | not lockup, but not input after killing hidd |
| 19:52.21 | branded | can i get file system access via usb? |
| 19:52.27 | branded | :) |
| 19:53.15 | destinal | branded: sshfs over usbnet is one way |
| 19:53.32 | branded | ahh interesting |
| 19:53.42 | branded | how does novaterm connect? |
| 19:53.54 | branded | is it raw over tcp 5380 or something? |
| 19:54.23 | destinal | novacomd will read and write things for you, yeah |
| 19:54.47 | branded | novacomd running on the pre? |
| 19:55.03 | destinal | branded: a pc runs a novacomd that talks to a novacomd on the pre |
| 19:55.05 | raeb2 | did you know, when using novaterm, there is no active user |
| 19:55.06 | destinal | over USB generally |
| 19:55.08 | raeb2 | :) |
| 19:55.22 | destinal | raeb: yeah, it's not a vty |
| 19:55.32 | branded | interesting |
| 19:55.55 | branded | so, does the novacom daemon have a file transfer mechanism? |
| 19:55.56 | branded | :) |
| 19:55.59 | destinal | branded: and a pc talks to a novacomd on |
| 19:56.01 | bpadalino|work | yes |
| 19:56.02 | destinal | tcp usually |
| 19:56.14 | branded | how do i transfer files using novacomd :D |
| 19:56.16 | destinal | ie a novacomd on your workstation can talk to the novacomd on the emulator over tcp |
| 19:56.18 | bpadalino|work | novacom can send, receive files .. execute commands .. and open a terminal |
| 19:56.31 | bpadalino|work | novacom put file:///path/to/remote/file < local_file |
| 19:56.42 | bpadalino|work | novacom get file:///path/to/remote/file > local_file |
| 19:56.44 | branded | and get, i assume? |
| 19:56.54 | branded | awesome |
| 19:57.08 | bpadalino|work | thank geist |
| 19:57.09 | bpadalino|work | he's the man |
| 19:57.14 | branded | that'd be file://[path to file] ? |
| 19:57.29 | bpadalino|work | well, your remote directories look like /usr/local/bin .. |
| 19:57.32 | bpadalino|work | so sure |
| 19:57.40 | bpadalino|work | wherever you want to place that first slash |
| 19:57.50 | branded | geist wrote novacom? |
| 19:57.59 | bpadalino|work | yes |
| 19:58.05 | branded | cool |
| 19:58.10 | branded | i think i deleted it :D |
| 19:58.14 | branded | but now I need to get it again |
| 19:58.16 | bpadalino|work | awesome |
| 19:58.20 | branded | hahahha |
| 19:58.22 | branded | yea |
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| 20:00.21 | emrys | is there a particular reason the terminal app wants an ipkg root under /var instead of /usr/local? |
| 20:00.32 | emrys | I assume it's not using /opt to stay out of the optware space |
| 20:00.59 | emrys | is var just seen as better to stay out of palm's way? / has more space than /var, nevermind LFS |
| 20:01.57 | branded | wow geist wrote his own OS |
| 20:02.02 | branded | pretty damn good |
| 20:02.54 | Rick_ | no he didn't |
| 20:03.14 | Rick_ | it's a modified embedded linux. |
| 20:03.22 | Rick_ | which is distantly derived from debian |
| 20:03.47 | branded | oh |
| 20:04.09 | destinal | branded: though he HAS written his own OS before :) |
| 20:04.13 | destinal | this just isn't it |
| 20:04.32 | Rick_ | oh Haiku |
| 20:04.33 | Rick_ | right |
| 20:04.36 | Rick_ | forgot about that. |
| 20:04.41 | Rick_ | yes, he wrote his own OS. |
| 20:04.50 | bpadalino|work | he wrote little kernel as well, which is the basis for bootie and iboot |
| 20:05.05 | Rick_ | pretty amazing guy |
| 20:05.11 | bpadalino|work | emrys, /var is where palm installs 3rd party apps from the app catalog .. |
| 20:05.12 | branded | yea, apparently |
| 20:05.14 | bpadalino|work | so it seems like a good place |
| 20:06.14 | destinal | emrys: also /var is generally writable where the rootfs is usually read only |
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| 20:06.50 | destinal | which is probably why they did ity |
| 20:06.56 | destinal | s/ity/it/ |
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| 20:07.26 | branded | is novacom in the SDK? |
| 20:07.28 | emrys | odd of them, but ok |
| 20:07.35 | emrys | oh |
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| 20:07.44 | destinal | branded: depends on which sdk |
| 20:07.56 | destinal | branded: for linux it's a separate download |
| 20:08.14 | branded | i'm on win32 |
| 20:08.16 | destinal | on windows it's included |
| 20:08.21 | branded | okay cool |
| 20:09.59 | Rick_ | branded and linux and mac include novaterm, windows doesn't but there's a download linked on the wiki page for novaterm for windows |
| 20:10.59 | branded | novacom is in the bin directory under the SDK, so i'm good... thanks |
| 20:11.18 | branded | is the dev for filecoaster in here? |
| 20:11.25 | branded | why aren't all the apps listed :( |
| 20:11.30 | branded | I want my nyc subway map |
| 20:15.12 | Hyperian | just copy he url |
| 20:15.13 | scasplte2 | Hey all, does anyone know of any project to get PEAP MSCHAPv2 working smoothly? |
| 20:21.47 | tmzt | does it work with wpa_supplicant? |
| 20:23.24 | tyler_wylie | Hello |
| 20:23.31 | scasplte2 | I was able to manipulate the wpa_supplicant to connect to my university network |
| 20:23.32 | tyler_wylie | How's it going #webos-internals |
| 20:23.33 | destinal | scasplte2: yeah apparently it works with wpa_supplicant, there's just no GUI at the moment to configure that so you have to do it by hand |
| 20:23.44 | scasplte2 | alright |
| 20:23.50 | scasplte2 | thats what I was afraid of |
| 20:24.00 | destinal | jimbo said he got it working successfully on peap-mschapv2 yesterday |
| 20:24.18 | scasplte2 | I know the commands to do but I need to look into scripting it to make it connect and move access points |
| 20:24.33 | scasplte2 | lol |
| 20:24.37 | scasplte2 | i was jimbo yesterday |
| 20:25.05 | emrys | any known problems caused by changing the hostname? |
| 20:25.31 | destinal | scasplte2: ah, ok, sounded like it was working but one had to run dhclient manually? |
| 20:25.35 | scasplte2 | the only problem I had was I lost EV-DO |
| 20:26.00 | scasplte2 | yes I think running dhclient automatically lost EV-DO |
| 20:26.34 | scasplte2 | i'm sorry |
| 20:26.40 | destinal | hmm |
| 20:26.41 | scasplte2 | running dhclient maunally lost EV-DO |
| 20:26.59 | destinal | did you check routing table after? |
| 20:27.08 | destinal | probably it just set the default route out your wifi |
| 20:27.30 | branded | can anyone recommend something that I can look at an SQLite DB in windows? |
| 20:27.55 | scasplte2 | I didn't look at the routing tables |
| 20:28.11 | branded | the firefox add-on mentioned in http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PalmDatabase.db3_File isn't compatible with the later versions of firefox |
| 20:28.14 | destinal | branded: you could just get sqlite3 for win32 and do it at the command line |
| 20:28.26 | destinal | but you mean a GUI tool? |
| 20:28.36 | branded | of course I do XD |
| 20:28.48 | branded | i'm a windows user |
| 20:28.53 | branded | is self deprecating |
| 20:29.50 | destinal | http://www.sqlite.org/cvstrac/wiki?p=ManagementTools |
| 20:30.42 | geist | listens in an smiles |
| 20:30.47 | geist | yeah, been busy doin os work |
| 20:32.42 | bpadalino|work | sounds like fun times .. |
| 20:33.29 | branded | destinal: thanks |
| 20:33.40 | branded | >:( I can't open the palmdatabase.db3 |
| 20:36.14 | geist | PuffTheMagic: pong! |
| 20:36.15 | destinal | branded: sure you have a tool that supports sqlite3 format? |
| 20:36.19 | geist | er damn |
| 20:36.25 | geist | misstype |
| 20:36.33 | geist | but anyway, i'm on a plane! |
| 20:36.44 | branded | "SQLite 3 Explorer" |
| 20:37.11 | destinal | branded: start with sqlite3 command line first, then work up :) |
| 20:37.13 | branded | yea, thanks geist... sounds like you're kicking some ass |
| 20:37.20 | bpadalino|work | geist, watch out for snakes! |
| 20:37.40 | branded | destinal: yea, it doesn't look complicated |
| 20:37.40 | branded | i'll check it out |
| 20:37.45 | geist | doing a little mini trip back to TX to visit my parents |
| 20:37.53 | geist | my one vacation in a couple years |
| 20:38.26 | destinal | geist: palm offices must be quiet, I've heard a few others say they also were taking vacation time :) |
| 20:38.36 | destinal | it's definitely well deserved |
| 20:38.46 | geist | yeah |
| 20:39.04 | geist | yeah i'm busy on the next big thing after this |
| 20:39.12 | geist | which of course i cannot talk about :) |
| 20:39.18 | bpadalino|work | does it get you excited ? |
| 20:39.22 | branded | destinal: "Error: database disk image is malformed" |
| 20:39.22 | geist | but also been mulling over a novacomd redesign |
| 20:39.23 | bpadalino|work | the next big thing ? |
| 20:39.23 | destinal | of course, but we'll get excited anyway |
| 20:39.27 | branded | same error i got in this other program |
| 20:39.40 | geist | same bits on the wire, but the device side stuff is far more complicated than it needs |
| 20:39.45 | bpadalino|work | ah |
| 20:39.50 | branded | http://sqlitebrowser.sourceforge.net :( |
| 20:40.01 | bpadalino|work | i was going to say, doing the protocol once was fun enough |
| 20:40.11 | bpadalino|work | but looking at packets another time :( |
| 20:40.16 | geist | btw, did anyoine ever do anything with the windows terminal thing i put up the other day? |
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| 20:40.34 | bpadalino|work | i use osx :( |
| 20:41.14 | branded | what windows terminal thing? |
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| 20:41.33 | destinal | branded: a windows novaterm on .net |
| 20:41.38 | bpadalino|work | i don't think you were here when he posted it up |
| 20:42.19 | branded | novaterm.exe? |
| 20:42.24 | branded | with terminalcontrol.dll? |
| 20:42.28 | geist | yah |
| 20:42.31 | destinal | uses linux also but the windows novaterm looked cool, and I know it should mean people don't have to mess with novaproxy |
| 20:42.44 | geist | i nneed to put the source back up and let someone do something with it |
| 20:42.48 | geist | it |
| 20:43.00 | bpadalino|work | indeed |
| 20:43.04 | geist | it's just a proof of concept, wanted folks to start thinking about better versions |
| 20:43.11 | geist | show maybe a way to do it |
| 20:43.23 | destinal | geist: yeah, I know someone will take it and run with it. |
| 20:43.43 | branded | yea, it's good... i mean, i apparently could have used it to reset the root password i forgot :D |
| 20:43.57 | destinal | I thought about trying to use it to add a novacom mode into putty but I don't spend much time in windows anymore, maybe someone else will. |
| 20:44.29 | bpadalino|work | i only work in windows when i am at work and all my tools are windows based :( |
| 20:45.12 | branded | alright guys... i appreciate the input |
| 20:45.15 | branded | have a good night |
| 20:45.17 | bpadalino|work | night |
| 20:45.25 | branded | or evening |
| 20:45.30 | branded | i'm trying to escape work early |
| 20:46.50 | bpadalino|work | i've been looking at language grammars for the past week or two |
| 20:46.53 | bpadalino|work | inbetween real work |
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| 20:59.22 | jcrawford | hey guys can you tell Mojo.Log a specific file to log to? for instance /var/log/app_messages |
| 21:00.29 | destinal | jcrawford: I don't think so |
| 21:01.01 | jcrawford | damn :( |
| 21:01.23 | bpadalino|work | i think there is an ini that tells where to log stuff to |
| 21:01.27 | bpadalino|work | check conf files ? |
| 21:02.27 | jcrawford | hmm why do i not have initctl or reboot on my device anymore |
| 21:02.35 | jcrawford | i webos dr'd it and ran the script for ssh etc. |
| 21:02.42 | jcrawford | what do those binaries come with bash? |
| 21:04.51 | jcrawford | also how do you know what the params are that are passed into the handleLaunch of the app-assistant? |
| 21:04.58 | jcrawford | how do i know what data i can check and work with :D |
| 21:05.50 | Zuchmir2 | destinal: do u think we should add a restartLuna() funcrtion (exported to the JS)? |
| 21:06.22 | Zuchmir2 | just now wrote the code for that, and thinking of using a menu to restart luna' |
| 21:06.49 | Zuchmir2 | (in plugin dev mode, as u know, it's quite often |
| 21:07.42 | Zuchmir2 | ... and initctl stop LunaSysMgr; initctl start LunaSysMgr does not work from the shell-prompt |
| 21:15.49 | destinal | Zuchmir2: it's not a big deal really.. reboot works and is not much slower than restarting luna |
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| 21:16.40 | destinal | plus you could always pkill LunaSysMgr |
| 21:16.46 | Zuchmir2 | reboot loses all open connections |
| 21:16.59 | Zuchmir2 | ok |
| 21:17.13 | destinal | upstart will start it up for us when it dies |
| 21:17.24 | Zuchmir2 | ok |
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| 22:17.01 | rwhitby | cool, someone's working on a GUI for openvpn |
| 22:18.15 | rwhitby | ah, good, PreCentral have reaffirmed the open ipkg feed so other app installers can access their feed. |
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| 22:30.38 | Xiuhtecuhtli | hello |
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| 23:11.29 | PreHero | has there been any progress on a new patch for downloading on the browser? |
| 23:16.44 | egaudet | what the flying hell, i can't see my pre through usb again |
| 23:18.10 | destinal | egaudet: "see" how |
| 23:18.23 | egaudet | "device not found" |
| 23:18.34 | destinal | egaudet: try restarting novacom service |
| 23:18.36 | egaudet | it happened to me yesterday too, and then magically started working |
| 23:18.58 | destinal | on workstation |
| 23:20.44 | egaudet | just kill it and restart it? |
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| 23:29.33 | egaudet | what did i do wrong? |
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| 23:32.31 | egaudet | oi |
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| 23:39.30 | egaudet | I still can't find my device through usb... i just rebooted |
| 23:39.34 | egaudet | how do I restart novacom? |
| 23:43.56 | destinal | egaudet: what OS? |
| 23:44.03 | egaudet | ubuntu |
| 23:44.12 | egaudet | jaunty |
| 23:44.39 | destinal | cool, me too. initctl stop palm-novacomd |
| 23:44.46 | destinal | initctl start palm-novacomd |
| 23:46.05 | egaudet | stop didn't return |
| 23:46.16 | egaudet | ok had to unplug |
| 23:46.27 | egaudet | duh |
| 23:47.07 | egaudet | bahhhhhh, still nothing |
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| 23:47.47 | egaudet | oh wait, im a friggin assclown |
| 23:48.12 | egaudet | :turns devmode on: |
| 23:48.17 | destinal | doh |
| 23:48.30 | rwhitby | egaudet: do you want to know how to update the version of accelservice and accelexample, and have the autobuilder automatically push new versions to the feed? |
| 23:48.44 | egaudet | lol i completely forgot i turned it off earlier :( |
| 23:48.45 | rwhitby | egaudet: would you also like to use the webos-internals-announce mailing list to announce new versions |
| 23:48.48 | egaudet | yea rwhitby |
| 23:49.09 | CIA-29 | bzhou * r10537 optware/trunk/platforms/ (5 files) - cdrtools: promoted on various targets |
| 23:49.15 | rwhitby | egaudet: clone the preware git repo, using the commit access URL |
| 23:49.29 | rwhitby | go into services/accelservice |
| 23:49.40 | rwhitby | edit the version number in the Makefile |
| 23:49.44 | rwhitby | git commit, git push, done. |
| 23:49.59 | rwhitby | Similarly for apps/accelexample in the same repo |
| 23:50.52 | rwhitby | egaudet: are you signed up on http://groups.google.com/group/webos-internals-announce ? |
| 23:50.59 | egaudet | ok i put gitorious.org/webos-internals/preware in firefox and it froze my browser |
| 23:51.32 | rwhitby | weird. works here on safari. |
| 23:51.34 | egaudet | i have a weird blackhole in the middle of my browser screen |
| 23:52.02 | mrjcarter | anyone here perform the "hide media sync option" patch? |
| 23:52.04 | egaudet | i opened that link (groups.google...) and it followed me lol |
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