| 00:01.36 | rwhitby | Rick_work, Templarian and many others have done a great job on the wiki. |
| 00:02.01 | Templarian | grins. |
| 00:03.48 | *** join/#webos-internals scasplte2 (n=scasplte@128.42.139.10) |
| 00:04.02 | Rick_work | The other HUGE thing you could do that would help would be to run through the keyboard thread, and find the links to all the themes |
| 00:04.11 | Rick_work | and then POST THOSE LINKS on the keyboard page |
| 00:04.18 | Rick_work | in a new "themes" section.... |
| 00:04.23 | Rick_work | which would be REALLY NICE. |
| 00:04.31 | scasplte2 | can anyone tell me how to remove the keyboard via the command line |
| 00:04.54 | Rick_work | it would, of course, be asking far too much to ask someone to not only do that, but grab images of the themes as well.... and post THOSE to the wiki. Far too much to ask. |
| 00:05.21 | Rick_work | scasplte2 why not just uninstall it with preware or quick install????? |
| 00:05.21 | jmack | point me to where you want them and consider it done |
| 00:05.33 | Rick_work | jmack wait one. |
| 00:06.27 | Rick_work | jmack -- in http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/On_Screen_Keyboard |
| 00:06.35 | scasplte2 | rick_work there in lies my problem. I installed using the commands from the wiki and now then preware didn't recognize I had it so i installed it there but I started getting problems |
| 00:06.36 | Rick_work | in the section "additional available themes. |
| 00:07.06 | Rick_work | scasplte2 -- it's a quit pop command then |
| 00:07.17 | Rick_work | quilt pop -f I think but someone will correct me in a moment |
| 00:07.27 | scasplte2 | alright thanks |
| 00:07.39 | StoneRyno | I'll stick to helping people out with preware installs and patches and such and getting patches on the wiki for now i think taking on a theme gathering project will require more time than i have |
| 00:08.02 | Rick_work | jmack the wiki requires registration but that's all. Do you know how to put in external links? |
| 00:08.15 | jmack | i think so, but tell me just in case. i just registered |
| 00:08.42 | jmack | and can the actual zips be uploaded or no? i can host them if need be. |
| 00:08.44 | Rick_work | * description [link/url/goes/here] |
| 00:08.53 | Rick_work | no, we need to LINK to the zips. |
| 00:09.04 | Rick_work | they're all linked on the precentral site, so we just copy the links |
| 00:09.16 | jmack | cool |
| 00:09.18 | Rick_work | we can not upload the zips to the wiki. |
| 00:09.31 | Rick_work | use * star space gives you a nice unordered list. |
| 00:09.50 | Rick_work | if you want to come back and do images. it goes this way: |
| 00:10.17 | jmack | ill do images as i go |
| 00:10.22 | Rick_work | [[Image:Filename.png]] or [[Image:filename.jpg]] |
| 00:10.29 | Rick_work | this gives you a RED LINK to the image, |
| 00:10.37 | jmack | do i also link those from the forum? |
| 00:10.40 | Rick_work | and you can then UPLOAD the image when you click on the red link.... |
| 00:10.45 | jmack | ah |
| 00:11.09 | Rick_work | if you do [[Image:Filename.jpg|thumb]] it makes a SMALL LINK. |
| 00:11.18 | Rick_work | don't worry about formatting, we'll come back and refine it later. |
| 00:11.23 | Rick_work | Just get the bulk work in |
| 00:11.28 | Rick_work | and we will be forever grateful |
| 00:11.41 | Rick_work | plus, you will have been hooked on wiki editing... :-) |
| 00:11.56 | jmack | lol |
| 00:12.13 | Rick_work | six years ago, ka6sox showed up to edit a few wiki pages. Now he runs $20K work of servers for several open source projects including webos-internals.... :-) |
| 00:13.20 | jmack | wow, does he make money from this? |
| 00:13.42 | Rick_work | nope |
| 00:13.50 | Rick_work | he just got roped..... |
| 00:13.52 | jmack | thats a lot of money to spend on servers! |
| 00:13.58 | Rick_work | not really. |
| 00:14.13 | StoneRyno | I'm hitting the forums to keep up on new threads getting a little behind then going out for the night with some friends as soon as they call, catch ya'll later on oh I'm on the precentral forum as StoneRyno if ya'll ever need to get in touch with me |
| 00:14.26 | Rick_work | thanks StoneRyno |
| 00:15.01 | rwhitby | virtual keyboard on news.cnet.com: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10320498-1.html?tag=TOCmoreStories.0 |
| 00:15.47 | rwhitby | jmack: the $20K worth of servers was bought with donations from the last open source project that I ran: nslu2-linux.org |
| 00:16.13 | jmack | ahh i see...i was about to say, i work in IT at a pretty large company and we're probably barely working with 20k in servers! |
| 00:16.31 | rwhitby | all the money went back into the project, and it has forward-paid for the hardware for this community (which sits in the same rack as master.kernel.org at osuosl) |
| 00:18.53 | rwhitby | the good thing is the cnet article shows the keyboard in landscape mode |
| 00:21.29 | rwhitby | bbl - got to coach little league soccer match this morning |
| 00:22.20 | Templarian | Be fair. |
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| 00:23.20 | Rick_work | he's coaching, not ref'ing. He's SUPPOSED to be biased. :-) |
| 00:23.25 | Rick_work | but reasonable. |
| 00:23.28 | Rick_work | and grown up |
| 00:23.55 | rwhitby | they're only 8 year olds, so I also have to be civil and not too harsh :-) |
| 00:24.06 | Templarian | I read that too quick, my mind took it as ref'ing. |
| 00:24.18 | Rick_work | those things too |
| 00:24.36 | destinal | bbl - driving home |
| 00:24.36 | Templarian | rwhitby: lol, get that black little and put it on their cheeks then they wills care the other girls. |
| 00:24.49 | Templarian | will scare* |
| 00:25.23 | rwhitby | where did girls come into it? all boys on this team and most of the other teams in the 8yr old league for some reason. |
| 00:26.03 | Templarian | needs to pay attention when he's reading. |
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| 00:26.41 | Templarian | Getting ready for a party in a little bit and wasn't sitting down. |
| 00:37.21 | *** join/#webos-internals BruceBailey (i=458c0d13@gateway/web/freenode/x-yhyxpteithaiexlh) |
| 00:37.25 | BruceBailey | hello |
| 00:37.35 | BruceBailey | can someone help me with install of preware? |
| 00:38.30 | oil | step 1: download webos quick install |
| 00:39.20 | BruceBailey | i did that, i have the latest, 2.01 |
| 00:39.37 | oil | step 2: install package manager and preware |
| 00:39.51 | BruceBailey | im just having a program where it says "# Press the third button on the right # Choose WebOS Internals Feed (all) from the dropdown list at the top. " |
| 00:39.56 | BruceBailey | where the heck is the 3rd button? |
| 00:40.10 | oil | there is a + button |
| 00:40.12 | BruceBailey | im tryin to install package manager with webos 2.01 |
| 00:40.13 | oil | then a - button |
| 00:40.16 | oil | then the 3rd button |
| 00:40.32 | BruceBailey | ok but 3rd button is just to connect the phone right? |
| 00:40.41 | oil | the 3rd button brings up the feed lists |
| 00:41.16 | BruceBailey | choose what from the feed list |
| 00:42.37 | oil | in the top dropdown of the repository viewer |
| 00:42.48 | oil | select webos-internals feed (all) |
| 00:42.59 | oil | then place a check in the box next to the package manager, and preware |
| 00:43.02 | oil | then click download |
| 00:43.38 | BruceBailey | oooooooooooooooooooooooooh |
| 00:43.40 | BruceBailey | ok |
| 00:43.57 | oil | then close that |
| 00:43.57 | BruceBailey | thats what lost me, it default to the precentral gallery, didnt see where to do that |
| 00:44.01 | BruceBailey | thanks for the quick help |
| 00:44.02 | oil | yeah |
| 00:44.03 | oil | np |
| 00:46.49 | BruceBailey | ok last question |
| 00:47.00 | BruceBailey | 2 icons on my phone, preware and package manager. |
| 00:47.19 | BruceBailey | to run this, all i need to do is click the preware icon? or do i need to hit package manager and configure something first? |
| 00:47.41 | oil | no |
| 00:47.49 | oil | the package manager icon really shouldnt show up |
| 00:47.53 | oil | clicking it wont do anything |
| 00:48.01 | oil | just move it to the bottom of the last launcher page and forget about it |
| 00:48.04 | BruceBailey | lol oh ok well did i do something wrong? |
| 00:48.07 | oil | no |
| 00:48.11 | BruceBailey | its showed up on the bottom , they right next to each other |
| 00:48.16 | oil | yeah |
| 00:48.21 | oil | it just doesnt do anything if you click it |
| 00:48.23 | oil | but dont delete it |
| 00:48.30 | Rick_work | deleting BAD. |
| 00:48.31 | BruceBailey | oh ok cool |
| 00:48.34 | BruceBailey | gotcha |
| 00:48.45 | oil | just move it to the bottom of one of the launcher pages and forget about it |
| 00:48.47 | BruceBailey | thanks a bunch |
| 00:48.48 | Rick_work | Oil, are you going to do the OSK config app or shall I work on that tonight when I get back? |
| 00:48.49 | oil | like the nascar app |
| 00:49.00 | BruceBailey | hahah yeh nascar |
| 00:49.04 | oil | osk config app? |
| 00:49.23 | Rick_work | On Screen Keyboard needs an app to edit the keyboard_config.json file. |
| 00:49.26 | Rick_work | LIttle one-scene app |
| 00:49.40 | Rick_work | I can do it later. |
| 00:49.52 | oil | and some way to actually edit it? |
| 00:49.53 | oil | lol |
| 00:52.50 | Eguy | or just a theme chooser |
| 00:54.18 | oil | so some way to write to the file |
| 00:54.19 | oil | xD |
| 00:54.30 | oil | where is the config stored? |
| 00:54.55 | Eguy | < /media/internal/virtual-keyboard |
| 00:54.57 | Eguy | I think |
| 00:55.02 | Eguy | or something like that |
| 00:55.16 | Eguy | you can edit it with terminal on the Pre ;) |
| 00:56.19 | Rick_work | you can edit it with any editor |
| 00:56.27 | Rick_work | turn on USB access and it's available to your pc |
| 00:56.36 | Rick_work | Check out the new updated wiki page with THEME IMAGES |
| 00:56.47 | oil | but there isnt any file io on the pre |
| 00:57.06 | oil | unless you're gonna use the filemanager service |
| 00:57.13 | Rick_work | oil |
| 00:57.15 | oil | which, im sure if you asked jason he would tell you exactly how to use it |
| 00:57.17 | Rick_work | turn on usb access. |
| 00:57.26 | Rick_work | oh |
| 00:57.29 | Rick_work | I see |
| 00:57.37 | Rick_work | YOU CAN WRITE TO media internal |
| 00:57.39 | oil | yeah... |
| 00:57.41 | Rick_work | you can |
| 00:57.51 | Rick_work | Really. |
| 00:57.56 | Rick_work | I gotta go |
| 00:57.57 | Rick_work | bbl |
| 00:57.59 | oil | lol |
| 00:58.04 | Eguy | lol |
| 00:58.24 | Eguy | dev mode requires restarting... vi with the on device terminal ;) |
| 00:58.40 | oil | he is saying an app to configure it though |
| 00:58.43 | Eguy | you can't enter { } though :( |
| 00:58.45 | oil | which would be easy with the filemanager service |
| 00:58.49 | Eguy | ah yes |
| 00:59.20 | Eguy | anyone pick up snow leopard today? I got it for $10 hahaha |
| 00:59.48 | jmack | how so? |
| 00:59.57 | oil | ill be sure to pick it up right after i buy an apple |
| 01:00.01 | Eguy | educator's discount |
| 01:00.10 | jmack | im on an imac right now....wonder how much it is at my university |
| 01:00.11 | Eguy | oil: Don't, for the love of God |
| 01:00.23 | oil | it was a joke |
| 01:00.25 | Templarian | Eguy: the guys on Engadget said don't upgrade. |
| 01:00.37 | oil | im not cool enough to own a mac |
| 01:00.38 | Eguy | hahaha |
| 01:00.39 | jmack | whats wrong with it? |
| 01:00.54 | Eguy | It is not worth anything over $30 that is for sure |
| 01:01.35 | Eguy | I do hope Apple fixes AD integration because it sucks *bleep* right now |
| 01:01.38 | jmack | what are the selling points? its basically just a slight modification of leopard right? |
| 01:01.50 | Eguy | It's 10.5.9 pretty much |
| 01:01.53 | Templarian | It brakes a lot of the power users applcations (not a mac person so not sure what they were specifically). |
| 01:02.06 | jmack | Eguy: they will if they ever want to see macs in a work environment |
| 01:02.19 | Eguy | every OS upgrade breaks everything |
| 01:02.24 | Eguy | except 7 |
| 01:02.26 | *** join/#webos-internals AnOutsider (n=AnOutsid@c-68-39-119-149.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 01:02.30 | Eguy | I am extemely happy with it |
| 01:02.31 | Templarian | jmack: they finally got 64bit (which breaks a few things). it's more of a developers upgrade not end user. |
| 01:02.40 | AnOutsider | what the heck are all u chumps doing sitting on IRC? didn't you hear? |
| 01:02.50 | jmack | our graphic designer has an imac, and it drives us nuts that our AD policies are hit and miss on him |
| 01:03.00 | Eguy | AnOutsider: Ryan Seacrest came out of the closet? |
| 01:03.26 | AnOutsider | haha no,but just as important! |
| 01:03.27 | AnOutsider | http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/200545-just-nuts-linux-cannot-difficult.html |
| 01:03.31 | Templarian | I hear the new Quicktime (they removed Pro of course), is pretty bad. |
| 01:03.32 | AnOutsider | "YOU GUYS NEED TO POST A CLEAR SET OF INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO ROOT THE PRE." |
| 01:03.36 | AnOutsider | GET ON IT! |
| 01:03.42 | Eguy | LOL |
| 01:03.46 | Eguy | what does root mean? |
| 01:03.49 | Eguy | like dig it up? |
| 01:03.54 | AnOutsider | lovely post to sign on to... I hate ish like that |
| 01:03.55 | AnOutsider | haha |
| 01:04.08 | AnOutsider | 1 post and wants people waiting on him hand and foot |
| 01:04.10 | jmack | yeah guys, sorry for that post. itd been a long day |
| 01:04.24 | oil | what do you even need to root for nowadays? |
| 01:04.34 | oil | nothing? |
| 01:04.47 | Eguy | bbiab guys |
| 01:04.57 | Eguy | Haven't said that in years |
| 01:05.01 | Eguy | lol |
| 01:05.04 | AnOutsider | hehe |
| 01:05.08 | jmack | rooting has this hype built around it that its like "jailbreaking" the pre...people dont realize its just accessing linux and it doesnt really do anything |
| 01:05.25 | oil | even so |
| 01:05.25 | jmack | wtf is bbiab |
| 01:05.25 | oil | you can just install the terminal app |
| 01:05.26 | AnOutsider | and not much no, but it's likely he hasn't actually read up on anything related to what he's trying to do |
| 01:05.26 | oil | and WHALA |
| 01:05.30 | AnOutsider | "be back in a bit" |
| 01:05.45 | jmack | question: i installed the terminal app today, but it doesnt do anything when i open it. do i need to initiate something? |
| 01:05.53 | oil | you need to install termplugin |
| 01:05.58 | jmack | ah thanks |
| 01:06.07 | jmack | im wary of installing all kinds of services without knowing what im doing |
| 01:06.18 | jmack | so i wait until i know i need something |
| 01:06.28 | AnOutsider | 1vs100 in 1 hour. Gonna cheat my way to some XBL points yaaa |
| 01:06.39 | *** join/#webos-internals k4p741nkrunch (n=k4p741nk@68-118-252-126.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) |
| 01:07.08 | oil | termplugin isnt a service |
| 01:07.10 | oil | its a plugin |
| 01:07.11 | oil | xD |
| 01:07.22 | k4p741nkrunch | hola combo estiss |
| 01:07.24 | jmack | whateva whateva i do what i want |
| 01:07.35 | AnOutsider | haha |
| 01:07.50 | k4p741nkrunch | I just got the touchstone, this thing rocks |
| 01:07.56 | AnOutsider | dont it |
| 01:08.07 | AnOutsider | i just wish i could connect to the pc with it too |
| 01:08.15 | AnOutsider | though not necessary very often. |
| 01:08.24 | *** join/#webos-internals phish3 (n=user@cpe-98-148-80-25.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 01:08.29 | k4p741nkrunch | Mounted in the car, picks up calls automatically on speaker. Paired with an aux input cable to my stereo |
| 01:08.49 | AnOutsider | does it provide road head as well good sir? |
| 01:08.59 | k4p741nkrunch | Playing music and it automatically stops and I can hear through my cars audio and speak out loud |
| 01:09.05 | k4p741nkrunch | And yeah, it obeys the rules |
| 01:09.43 | k4p741nkrunch | What's good in the Pre world today |
| 01:10.17 | jmack | i look forward to every friday hoping for an update :) |
| 01:10.33 | oil | an update to what? |
| 01:10.42 | jmack | pre mofo! |
| 01:11.01 | k4p741nkrunch | I want updates every friday! |
| 01:11.07 | oil | hates updates |
| 01:11.15 | oil | last update fucked up some of my apps |
| 01:11.23 | jmack | *checks pre to see which friends are on 360*....thanks oil! |
| 01:11.28 | oil | lol |
| 01:11.53 | AnOutsider | heh |
| 01:11.56 | jmack | youve been an ass to me on numerous times, but its a great app |
| 01:12.02 | oil | an ass? |
| 01:12.04 | oil | me? |
| 01:12.06 | AnOutsider | now get on the ps3 version |
| 01:12.08 | k4p741nkrunch | numerous? |
| 01:12.13 | AnOutsider | why? I dotn use PS3, but i want it anyways |
| 01:12.20 | oil | i dont remember any of those times |
| 01:12.21 | Templarian | restarts pidgin didn't realise 2.6.1 was out... didn't notice that. |
| 01:12.22 | jmack | DONT MENTION PS3 to OIL |
| 01:12.34 | v3ritas | Does anyone know how to prompt a user for a variable in a script? |
| 01:12.40 | k4p741nkrunch | Pidgin 2.6.1 video support ftw |
| 01:12.50 | oil | is just really tired of people asking for a ps3 version |
| 01:12.55 | jmack | lololol |
| 01:13.09 | k4p741nkrunch | Can I get a nintendo friend id version k thx |
| 01:13.10 | k4p741nkrunch | :P |
| 01:13.13 | jmack | i was kiddin about you bein an ass to me...i just saw you get angry on the forums about the ps3 version |
| 01:13.15 | Templarian | Why would anyone want one, barely anyone plays online regularly. |
| 01:13.15 | oil | let a ps3 fan make one |
| 01:13.19 | oil | i dont care about ps3 |
| 01:13.34 | AnOutsider | agreed, just wanted to bust your bawlls |
| 01:13.43 | jmack | oil, can i beta test the ps3 version when it comes out |
| 01:13.46 | AnOutsider | so, ill move on to requested one for the wii |
| 01:14.08 | k4p741nkrunch | Man there's probably a small group of ugly rich old doods that are wetting their panties over the slim right now |
| 01:14.08 | AnOutsider | and make it so that i can assign usernames to the longass "friend codes" |
| 01:14.16 | AnOutsider | the slim? |
| 01:14.24 | k4p741nkrunch | PS3 slim |
| 01:14.28 | AnOutsider | u mean the new ps3 which removes their backwards compatibility? |
| 01:14.30 | k4p741nkrunch | Just saw one in Best Buy |
| 01:14.34 | AnOutsider | silly move in my opinion, but whatevs |
| 01:14.39 | AnOutsider | never been a sony fan |
| 01:14.54 | jmack | ps2 was fantastic to me, but ps3 is a joke |
| 01:15.05 | AnOutsider | ps2 was a great system no doubt |
| 01:15.10 | oil | and the other problem was that i was only asked to create one like 20 times in that thread |
| 01:15.27 | oil | cause people dont know how to read |
| 01:15.28 | k4p741nkrunch | I like the xbox app, works great for me |
| 01:15.36 | oil | i love it when shit works |
| 01:15.43 | oil | that was my first mojo app |
| 01:15.57 | jmack | lolol im going to pop into every thread of yours and question you about the release date of hte ps3 version |
| 01:16.01 | *** join/#webos-internals dug (n=Adium@24.130.185.86) |
| 01:16.04 | k4p741nkrunch | Great job, the background makes it look pro |
| 01:16.12 | k4p741nkrunch | Small touches totally go a long way with me |
| 01:16.12 | oil | im going to get a moderator to delete them |
| 01:16.26 | AnOutsider | im gonna put said moderator on ym payroll |
| 01:16.30 | oil | yeah, i got that shit from a friend who makes themes for the 360 |
| 01:16.32 | jmack | lololol |
| 01:16.37 | k4p741nkrunch | Don't take that last statement out of context |
| 01:16.40 | AnOutsider | then im gonna change my avatar to say "hey oil, where's the ps3?" |
| 01:16.55 | oil | lol |
| 01:17.05 | jmack | im gonna change my username to OILluvsPS3 |
| 01:17.30 | k4p741nkrunch | AnOutsider you seem hell bent on getting on the Inside of Oils anger |
| 01:17.35 | jmack | oil...lol? since when do you have a sense of humor? |
| 01:17.45 | oil | i dont |
| 01:17.51 | oil | i just say that when i have nothing else to say |
| 01:17.54 | oil | thats sarcastic |
| 01:17.55 | jmack | there we go, the world can resume spinnin |
| 01:18.22 | k4p741nkrunch | Why does the phone not display your background on the touchstone? |
| 01:18.44 | oil | why would you want it to display my background? |
| 01:18.54 | v3ritas | Is it to prevent burn-in? Since the screen stays on |
| 01:18.56 | k4p741nkrunch | Because I love your background oil |
| 01:19.15 | oil | you know it |
| 01:19.28 | k4p741nkrunch | Nah but it's just black, how plain |
| 01:19.45 | oil | make a patch |
| 01:20.22 | k4p741nkrunch | How would I go about finding the path to that particular file |
| 01:21.15 | oil | cd folder |
| 01:21.16 | k4p741nkrunch | Grep through every file looking for #FFFFFF |
| 01:21.18 | oil | look around |
| 01:21.34 | oil | lol |
| 01:21.47 | k4p741nkrunch | *earmuffs* |
| 01:21.54 | OilWheresPS3 | still strange to see the "oil" and "lol" together |
| 01:22.29 | jmack | Muhahaha |
| 01:22.29 | AnOutsider | haah @ the nick |
| 01:22.41 | jmack | Hey guys, I smell really bad |
| 01:22.50 | oil | haha |
| 01:22.56 | jmack | And I have a mancrush on Oil |
| 01:23.33 | OilWheresPS3 | lol gh3t |
| 01:23.35 | OilWheresPS3 | gh3y |
| 01:23.58 | k4p741nkrunch | It's tough being you.. |
| 01:24.29 | OilWheresPS3 | see? people dont give me enough credit |
| 01:24.30 | oil | lol |
| 01:24.55 | k4p741nkrunch | No you had credit, but it costs a shitton of credit to bash oil |
| 01:25.30 | OilWheresPS3 | its def worth it |
| 01:25.35 | k4p741nkrunch | So, about that awesome palm device guys.. |
| 01:25.36 | AnOutsider | another lol |
| 01:25.54 | k4p741nkrunch | Anything good come out today> |
| 01:26.04 | oil | preware 0.7.7? |
| 01:26.06 | OilWheresPS3 | surprised IRC didn't say "name not possible" |
| 01:26.06 | *** part/#webos-internals Templarian (n=Templari@ppp-69-221-231-216.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) |
| 01:26.12 | loloil | heh |
| 01:26.28 | loloil | man the preware update earlier effed something up |
| 01:26.37 | OilWheresPS3 | .7.8? |
| 01:26.38 | loloil | i can no longer install apps. Was hoping to get my hands on wooton too |
| 01:26.41 | loloil | ah well |
| 01:27.21 | OilWheresPS3 | mine said .7.8 was available, i clicked install, it crashed and is now .7.7 and says nothing is available |
| 01:27.30 | oil | 7.8 sucks |
| 01:27.34 | k4p741nkrunch | I got 7.7 this morning |
| 01:28.01 | k4p741nkrunch | I'm 7.7 |
| 01:28.07 | loloil | heh mine says .6.4 |
| 01:28.08 | oil | there is no 7.8 |
| 01:28.28 | OilWheresPS3 | PWNED |
| 01:28.37 | oil | i love how people suggest stupid stuff in the wiki for preware |
| 01:28.55 | OilWheresPS3 | like? i need a laugh |
| 01:28.59 | oil | "Add a most recent selection to show most recent new apps and updates like the official app catalog has." |
| 01:29.12 | OilWheresPS3 | lolol |
| 01:30.55 | k4p741nkrunch | Hmm |
| 01:31.06 | k4p741nkrunch | I'm pretty sure there's an Everything button |
| 01:31.12 | k4p741nkrunch | That does just that |
| 01:31.12 | oil | is gonna be gettin dotgame ready for palms catalog this weekend |
| 01:31.29 | oil | and the list of everything defaults to date sort |
| 01:31.53 | oil | really though |
| 01:31.57 | oil | im just glad preware works |
| 01:32.19 | AnOutsider | heh i just uninstalled it |
| 01:32.21 | OilWheresPS3 | ditto |
| 01:32.23 | AnOutsider | forgot to remove the service tho |
| 01:32.28 | oil | omgwtf |
| 01:32.30 | AnOutsider | ill have to try to reinstall from webosquick install |
| 01:33.24 | k4p741nkrunch | Wait, you removed Preware? |
| 01:33.30 | AnOutsider | I did |
| 01:33.33 | OilWheresPS3 | not me, my ditto jsut came at a bad time |
| 01:33.37 | k4p741nkrunch | That's like giving your Pre a labotomy |
| 01:33.54 | k4p741nkrunch | And forgetting to pull the scalpel out |
| 01:33.58 | AnOutsider | well, if it's not working, I'm not gonna just let it sit there |
| 01:34.03 | AnOutsider | I'll clean it out and then retry |
| 01:34.10 | OilWheresPS3 | it seems to make my pre very slow |
| 01:34.14 | OilWheresPS3 | if i leave it open |
| 01:34.14 | k4p741nkrunch | If you leave it. Warez will come |
| 01:34.19 | AnOutsider | but as it stood, updates would claim to install, reboot the app and its still there |
| 01:34.25 | AnOutsider | no apps were installing etc. pointless |
| 01:34.41 | OilWheresPS3 | going out for hte night, catch you bitches later |
| 01:34.52 | k4p741nkrunch | Sounds like a problem with the package service |
| 01:35.02 | k4p741nkrunch | And I wasn't aware there were any bitches in here |
| 01:35.39 | OilWheresPS3 | i was using it deratorily, of course there arent actual "bitches" here. its IRC. |
| 01:35.46 | OilWheresPS3 | deratorily? that was bad |
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| 01:35.58 | atlanta | rwhitby: you there my man |
| 01:36.51 | k4p741nkrunch | This isn't bitchx |
| 01:37.25 | k4p741nkrunch | And I'm pulling your leg OilWheres <--you should change that back |
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| 01:46.18 | lmorchard | Heh, so I started trying to work on a palm pre app, and I've spent most of my time working on a web-based sync process that has not much to do with webOS in particular |
| 01:50.05 | k4p741nkrunch | Hmm you talking about syncing files from a cloud? |
| 01:50.10 | lmorchard | Yup |
| 01:50.37 | lmorchard | Well, data records anyway. I'm writing a notepad app that syncs with a web-based REST API |
| 01:51.09 | lmorchard | the notepad part isn't exciting, but hoping the rest is useful in further apps |
| 01:51.44 | k4p741nkrunch | So what are you using for the server? |
| 01:51.53 | lmorchard | Got a PHP web app I'm writing in parallel |
| 01:52.30 | k4p741nkrunch | Ahh that sounds integratable for a few different functions |
| 01:52.37 | lmorchard | http://github.com/lmorchard/memento/tree/master |
| 01:52.50 | lmorchard | Eventually I want to write some tutorials based on it, too |
| 01:54.04 | k4p741nkrunch | I was a programmer for a couple years but I moved on to advanced networking and it's more engaging to me |
| 01:54.18 | oil | lol |
| 01:54.41 | k4p741nkrunch | Oil your sarcasm confuses me |
| 01:54.50 | oil | networks are a pita |
| 01:55.04 | lmorchard | Advanced networking as in writing the networking software, or planning the infrastructure? |
| 01:55.05 | k4p741nkrunch | Networks are a challenge, and I am an excellent problem solver |
| 01:55.21 | oil | i prefer code |
| 01:55.26 | oil | running cables sucks |
| 01:55.35 | k4p741nkrunch | Network administration, network consulting and formation |
| 01:55.37 | lmorchard | Heh, you can have minions run the cables |
| 01:56.21 | k4p741nkrunch | Hey when they run out of minions the coders have to run cables in the data center too |
| 01:56.37 | lmorchard | Ouch hehe |
| 01:56.52 | k4p741nkrunch | We're all minions to the internet |
| 01:56.57 | lmorchard | This is true |
| 01:56.58 | oil | just leave me at my desk with some caffeine |
| 01:57.05 | oil | and i wont muck with your wires |
| 01:57.39 | lmorchard | Last cables I ran were for a mom & pop ISP in 1995 or so. racks and racks of modems, hooray |
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| 01:58.19 | k4p741nkrunch | Hahaha there was one time when I worked at a huge CDN and the whole building lost power, I plugged my laptop in to an ethernet port and somehow it still provided me an internet signal and NOONE in the building but me had it. I felt like Neo |
| 01:58.40 | lmorchard | Haha, nice |
| 01:59.22 | oil | how many programmers does it take to change a lightbulb? |
| 01:59.48 | k4p741nkrunch | Someone think of some clever code quick |
| 01:59.52 | oil | 0 |
| 01:59.57 | k4p741nkrunch | null |
| 01:59.58 | oil | thats a hardware problem |
| 02:00.28 | k4p741nkrunch | A GOOD programmer would hack the nearest roomba to come do it for them |
| 02:00.36 | oil | nonsense |
| 02:00.42 | oil | roombas cant climb ladders |
| 02:00.56 | k4p741nkrunch | A botnet of roombas |
| 02:00.59 | k4p741nkrunch | Piled high |
| 02:01.00 | oil | lol |
| 02:01.11 | oil | does anyone really have more than one roomba? |
| 02:01.16 | k4p741nkrunch | Yeah |
| 02:01.25 | oil | an army of vacuum cleaners? |
| 02:01.26 | oil | haha |
| 02:01.42 | k4p741nkrunch | I tape kitchen knives to the front and me and my friends play battle bots |
| 02:01.48 | oil | lol |
| 02:01.48 | lmorchard | If you're ever in the Bay Area when a SuperHappyDevHouse is going on, you'll see zombie armies of roombas |
| 02:02.08 | k4p741nkrunch | I want to go to SuperHappyDevHouse |
| 02:02.09 | lmorchard | Also Maker Faires |
| 02:02.28 | k4p741nkrunch | I just realized the internet cares not for emphasis |
| 02:02.37 | lmorchard | I've been to a dozen or so SHDH weekends, they're pretty keen |
| 02:02.47 | k4p741nkrunch | Peachy |
| 02:02.53 | lmorchard | But now I live in MI, so getting to CA is a little more rare :) |
| 02:03.10 | k4p741nkrunch | I went to defcon and all I got was this damn luggage tag |
| 02:03.20 | Ikyo | is a class0 alert considered a SMS from like Sprint? |
| 02:03.24 | lmorchard | ...and it hacked my TV when I got home!@ |
| 02:03.43 | k4p741nkrunch | Yeah and my webcam light wouldn't turn off ever sense |
| 02:03.50 | lmorchard | haha |
| 02:04.15 | k4p741nkrunch | Ikyo sorry no clue |
| 02:04.28 | lmorchard | Eh, I wouldn't worry about it. just tape over the light. Oh, huh, having spaghetti for dinner are ya |
| 02:04.38 | k4p741nkrunch | You know I totally want to read the documentation on the Pre |
| 02:04.43 | k4p741nkrunch | SDK I mean |
| 02:05.02 | k4p741nkrunch | No, I do better than that |
| 02:05.04 | oil | eh? |
| 02:06.10 | oil | goes to get foods |
| 02:06.32 | k4p741nkrunch | I pretend to not notice it, then once an hour I pluck my nose hair using the webcam as a mirror, then proceed to repeatedly sniff my own armpits until the light goes off |
| 02:06.52 | k4p741nkrunch | Best fix ever |
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| 02:07.11 | k4p741nkrunch | Okkaaaay new patch idea |
| 02:07.23 | lmorchard | hah |
| 02:07.27 | k4p741nkrunch | On touchstone just under time it should display a charge percent |
| 02:07.49 | k4p741nkrunch | And background should be your wallpaper |
| 02:07.54 | alvin319 | good one |
| 02:08.37 | k4p741nkrunch | Anyone know where the touchstone configuration file is? |
| 02:10.27 | alvin319 | That has been in question for a whilr now. |
| 02:11.40 | k4p741nkrunch | you can find it by cat'ing through files, logging the output, then searching for the same function of the lock screen |
| 02:11.50 | Exstatica | Anyone know what it would take to keep the wifi on if connected via terminal? |
| 02:12.04 | bpadalino | play music |
| 02:12.07 | k4p741nkrunch | Play music or charge the pre |
| 02:12.39 | Exstatica | the idea is if i'm in ssh and it turns off that the wifi stays on |
| 02:12.50 | k4p741nkrunch | Yeah music stops that |
| 02:13.16 | Ikyo | jesus that was painful |
| 02:13.56 | k4p741nkrunch | Yes, what happened to Jesus was extremely painful I would say |
| 02:14.08 | k4p741nkrunch | I mean, never existing must be the worst pain of all :P |
| 02:14.29 | k4p741nkrunch | Sorry that was uncalled for |
| 02:14.32 | Ikyo | I had to work on the damn contacttone patch. I just noticed a HUGE bug |
| 02:14.33 | k4p741nkrunch | What was Ikyo |
| 02:14.41 | k4p741nkrunch | What happened? |
| 02:14.54 | k4p741nkrunch | I haven't received a text since I installed it |
| 02:14.58 | Ikyo | f*ing Palm decided to just overwrite an array instead of adding data too it like any idiot |
| 02:15.26 | k4p741nkrunch | Why would you overwrite an entire array? |
| 02:16.15 | k4p741nkrunch | Not just write new values for each index |
| 02:16.34 | lmorchard | The problem with seeing all the source code in Mojo, is I can see how parts were kind of rushed :) |
| 02:17.01 | lmorchard | But at least you can see Mojo source code, not like other platforms that are probably as bad but hidden :D |
| 02:17.33 | k4p741nkrunch | I hope Palm takes their time and cleans up some of these things |
| 02:17.37 | Ikyo | very true |
| 02:17.53 | k4p741nkrunch | Even if when it comes out I have to fully reset the phone to get it |
| 02:18.00 | lmorchard | It would be kind of nice if they accepted patches |
| 02:18.21 | lmorchard | I mean, it's not a true Open Source project, but I'd still submit bug fixes for free |
| 02:18.26 | k4p741nkrunch | Never, I wouldn't be surprised if they started obfuscating important code |
| 02:18.56 | lmorchard | I hope they're smarter than that, but I'm not a notable optmist |
| 02:21.33 | k4p741nkrunch | Well the thing is I think they are seeing a lot of people rooting their Pre's who only know how to follow instruction half as much as the pre requires. This is probably causing Palm and Sprint a lot of grief from angry owners of 'bricked' Pre's |
| 02:22.03 | v3ritas | Would anyone be interested a script that would activate & backup the Pre using rsync? Or am i just wasting my time... |
| 02:23.19 | v3ritas | lol, guess that kinda answers my question |
| 02:23.25 | k4p741nkrunch | I could see how some people might use that |
| 02:25.39 | v3ritas | Is there a particular folder to use for scripts? I thought it was home/scripts, but the directory wasn't found. Just don't want to throw a script anywhere |
| 02:25.40 | Ikyo | anyone really familiar with quilt? |
| 02:26.40 | oil | the only thing im familiar with |
| 02:26.45 | oil | is people having problems with quilt |
| 02:26.52 | Ikyo | this isn't a problem |
| 02:27.04 | Ikyo | I am just wondering how do I make it track more files for a certain patch |
| 02:27.13 | Ikyo | I have already changed off of that and need to go back |
| 02:27.23 | oil | doesn't know |
| 02:27.41 | k4p741nkrunch | Yeah Im familliar with quilt |
| 02:28.43 | Ikyo | If I wanted to update a patch to add more files to it, what would I do? |
| 02:29.13 | k4p741nkrunch | You mean a patch that pulled in files to apply? |
| 02:29.35 | Ikyo | no, my conttacttone patch. I need to make it track two more files plus update the others |
| 02:30.10 | k4p741nkrunch | I guess I'm missing what you're meaning by 'tracking' files |
| 02:30.23 | Ikyo | I figured it out |
| 02:30.28 | oil | lol |
| 02:30.34 | k4p741nkrunch | f*ck me |
| 02:30.58 | oil | passes |
| 02:32.08 | k4p741nkrunch | I didn't say sh f*ck me |
| 02:32.29 | oil | why are you censoring yourself? |
| 02:33.19 | k4p741nkrunch | I didn't want to offend v3ritas |
| 02:33.48 | v3ritas | lol thanks ;P |
| 02:33.55 | oil | what, you're 12? |
| 02:33.59 | k4p741nkrunch | no problem fuckhead |
| 02:34.05 | k4p741nkrunch | hahahahahaha |
| 02:34.15 | k4p741nkrunch | jk |
| 02:36.12 | k4p741nkrunch | dagnabbit where did my ssh go |
| 02:37.33 | k4p741nkrunch | Oh come on I was kidding v3ritas :P |
| 02:37.58 | v3ritas | lol i'm still here. Trying to think over this rsync thing |
| 02:38.19 | k4p741nkrunch | I was gonna start making the mockup for the Pre Keyboard theme I have in mind |
| 02:38.45 | v3ritas | As soon as i started mine i realized i dont have the patience to make one |
| 02:39.04 | k4p741nkrunch | I don't have the photoshop to make one |
| 02:39.15 | k4p741nkrunch | I'm using a.viary.com which is less than optimal |
| 02:39.22 | v3ritas | Yeah, & gimp sucks at images that small |
| 02:39.36 | analog` | what's wrong with gimp? |
| 02:39.41 | oil | really doesnt see a need for the osk |
| 02:39.46 | oil | not saying its not good |
| 02:39.49 | oil | im sure some people <3 it |
| 02:39.54 | oil | i just like real buttons |
| 02:40.08 | v3ritas | I have nothing against Gimp, it's just that it's difficult to make small images like for the keys |
| 02:41.03 | v3ritas | It's just something in photoshop that makes it easier to edit layers multiple times, ie: Adding the needed characters to each key, saving, then changing |
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| 02:42.27 | k4p741nkrunch | I would kill a man for some PhotoCrack CS3 |
| 02:43.02 | Ikyo | windows or mac? |
| 02:43.47 | k4p741nkrunch | Windows |
| 02:44.23 | k4p741nkrunch | I need to put linux on this thing, I've just been so busy using the damn thing |
| 02:45.34 | k4p741nkrunch | BTW second day of my oreo twist fix and it's holding strong |
| 02:45.35 | v3ritas | using ubuntu here. Love it over windows |
| 02:45.44 | k4p741nkrunch | Yeah I always use ubuntu |
| 02:45.52 | v3ritas | Yeah... sorry about last night. I was retarded. I didn't realize i was supposed to lift the rail |
| 02:45.55 | k4p741nkrunch | This computer was given to me though |
| 02:46.15 | k4p741nkrunch | Did you get it? |
| 02:46.30 | v3ritas | Still haven't found a small enough screwdriver |
| 02:46.36 | k4p741nkrunch | I went to Best Buy and played with the displays and mine is even tighter than those |
| 02:46.38 | v3ritas | might go looking in a bit though. I've been sitting here too long |
| 02:46.54 | k4p741nkrunch | I even explained what I was doing to the rep and he was twisting em with me |
| 02:47.02 | v3ritas | lol |
| 02:47.37 | k4p741nkrunch | The thing has a distinct pop when you slide it open now |
| 02:47.44 | k4p741nkrunch | It's like opening a can of soda |
| 02:48.11 | k4p741nkrunch | BTW the touchstone charge back makes me want to get naked and show my Pre some lovin |
| 02:48.37 | v3ritas | I love how it's rubberized |
| 02:48.40 | k4p741nkrunch | It's smoother than a baby seals skin |
| 02:49.55 | k4p741nkrunch | It makes the Pre feel so much better |
| 02:51.11 | lmorchard | Hmm. What oreo twist fix did you use? |
| 02:51.28 | k4p741nkrunch | Made my own |
| 02:51.33 | lmorchard | I've read everything from superglue to bending the brackets to tightening screws |
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| 02:51.42 | k4p741nkrunch | It's extremely simple |
| 02:52.03 | lmorchard | mine oreo's about 0.5mm, but it's still annoying |
| 02:52.13 | lmorchard | And I'm always concerned it'll get worse |
| 02:52.25 | lmorchard | But not enough to go back to the Sprint store yet :) |
| 02:52.50 | v3ritas | hmmm.. Anyone familiar with running scripts remotely? |
| 02:52.52 | k4p741nkrunch | Just put a tiny flathead screwdriver between the rail and the black plastic on the right side, then hold the phone down and put your thumb against the plastic on the side, pry back gently and lift the rail up until it lifts a tiny bit |
| 02:53.05 | k4p741nkrunch | v3ritas you mean through ssh? |
| 02:53.08 | v3ritas | yes |
| 02:53.10 | lmorchard | Oh, huh, distorting the rail itself a little bit? |
| 02:53.35 | v3ritas | ie: ssh -p 222 $User@$PreIP /home/scripts/rsyncon.sh << However i need it to run as root/sudo |
| 02:53.38 | k4p741nkrunch | Yeah, I noticed I could fit a post it note between the slider and the rail so I lifted it up a biut |
| 02:53.44 | k4p741nkrunch | Now it's suuuuper tight |
| 02:53.49 | k4p741nkrunch | Doesn't wiggle at ALL |
| 02:54.57 | lmorchard | Wha-hey, I'm back to actually poking at my pre app, and it seems to be actually syncing to my web app |
| 02:55.24 | k4p741nkrunch | can't you just replace $user@$PreIP with root@castle |
| 02:55.32 | lmorchard | or not :( hmph |
| 02:55.54 | jauderho | k4p741nkrunch: do you have better pix for your fix? |
| 02:56.03 | jauderho | I'm willing to try it but it's hard to see |
| 02:56.21 | k4p741nkrunch | The point is you don't have to see much of anything |
| 02:56.22 | v3ritas | well it uses the $PreIP to actually connect to the Pre over WiFi. Before that i get the two values & i'm calling them there |
| 02:56.48 | v3ritas | i can successfully connect like that, just not run the script to turn on rsync |
| 02:56.53 | k4p741nkrunch | Just gently pry up the very bottom of the rail |
| 02:56.57 | k4p741nkrunch | Oh I see |
| 02:57.07 | k4p741nkrunch | So you're calling that from a desktop application? |
| 02:57.42 | v3ritas | Yeah. For the moment it's a script that will be run from a comp & backup the pre onto the host computer |
| 02:58.50 | analog` | is there a command to shut down the pre? |
| 02:59.07 | k4p741nkrunch | All I know is reboot |
| 02:59.12 | analog` | yeah |
| 02:59.54 | k4p741nkrunch | What happens if you init different runlevels on the pre |
| 03:00.35 | k4p741nkrunch | v3ritas is there a way to integrate sudo into the script |
| 03:00.58 | k4p741nkrunch | Like sudo -i and use visudo to remove the need to ask for a password |
| 03:01.22 | v3ritas | I've tried. In the desktop portion i've added sudo so that ssh -p 222 $User@$PreIP sudo /home/scripts/rsyncon.sh, & within rsyncon.sh |
| 03:02.17 | v3ritas | if i try to login directly as root@IP the password is always invalid |
| 03:03.24 | k4p741nkrunch | Well sounds like you have to break it up into a couple commands |
| 03:03.41 | k4p741nkrunch | Open up ssh and keep it open, then sude -i, then run the script |
| 03:03.53 | k4p741nkrunch | sudo not sude |
| 03:04.27 | v3ritas | Yeah, i was hoping to avoid it. As soon as the ssh part is run without specifying a script, mine will stop until the ssh with the pre is over |
| 03:04.39 | v3ritas | looks like for now that part will have to be manual |
| 03:05.01 | k4p741nkrunch | could you maybe auto paste from the clipboard |
| 03:06.10 | v3ritas | hmmm... permission denied when i'm root |
| 03:06.58 | v3ritas | This is turning out to be alot more difficult than i planned |
| 03:07.38 | analog` | after watching the videos of the htc android i am kind of happy to not have widgets, like i wanted before |
| 03:08.18 | k4p741nkrunch | Wait, can you run ssh -p 222 $User@$PreIP sh -p /home/scripts/rsyncon.sh |
| 03:09.09 | v3ritas | lets find out |
| 03:09.20 | k4p741nkrunch | the -p is privelaged flag |
| 03:09.25 | psykoz | new icon for terminal? |
| 03:09.39 | k4p741nkrunch | Yeah I like the old one better IMHO |
| 03:09.45 | psykoz | me too :( |
| 03:10.07 | v3ritas | illegal operation |
| 03:10.31 | psykoz | why don't we have to login to terminal anymore? I sorta liked it the other way because it also executed the profile properly for that user and used my history etc.. |
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| 03:11.14 | jauderho | um |
| 03:11.19 | jauderho | why are you doing this? |
| 03:11.30 | jauderho | just setuid |
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| 03:12.18 | jauderho | chmod +S iirc |
| 03:12.24 | jauderho | to run as root. |
| 03:12.34 | v3ritas | it won't prompt for a password/ |
| 03:12.37 | v3ritas | ? |
| 03:12.40 | jauderho | granted, it's insecure.. |
| 03:12.43 | v3ritas | yeah =\ |
| 03:13.01 | jauderho | try it |
| 03:13.07 | lmorchard | k4p741nkrunch: Thanks for the rail tip, least scary oreo fix I've seen and it seems to have worked |
| 03:13.08 | v3ritas | I was hoping i could still get it to prompt for a password, but i don't think it will allow me to if i'm doing it remotely |
| 03:13.23 | lmorchard | as long as I take out the foam bits I had between the battery and the cover to make it less creaky :) |
| 03:13.35 | k4p741nkrunch | No problem, you might notice it slips again if you didn't lift it much |
| 03:13.55 | k4p741nkrunch | Just push the front half towards the back and you should be good for a couple more days |
| 03:14.12 | jauderho | why do you want to prompt for passwd? |
| 03:14.13 | lmorchard | Yeah, I might have to give it a bit more bend, since it reverts a little if there's pressure on the battery, but oh well |
| 03:14.33 | k4p741nkrunch | I got mine PERFECT, it's definitely possible |
| 03:14.48 | k4p741nkrunch | It feels so solid when it slides. I wish you could just hear it |
| 03:15.08 | v3ritas | If it's running a script on the device, i just feel better if it's still prompting. I guess it just really adds an extra step |
| 03:15.40 | k4p741nkrunch | One thing I've noticed since I got the touchstone back though, it's so smooth and the slider is so tight it almost slips out of your hand when trying to open it one handed |
| 03:15.55 | Ikyo | why not just put an IP restriction on it so it is more secure not to mention you will need ssh keys |
| 03:16.39 | v3ritas | I guess the password prompt is pretty pointless. So far the Host IP address still needs to be set anyway |
| 03:16.52 | v3ritas | I forgot about that until you said it |
| 03:16.58 | jauderho | k4p741nkrunch: which direction do you pry? to the right or up? |
| 03:18.52 | k4p741nkrunch | I put the screwdriver in, with the flat head parallel to the rail, about half a millimeter closer to the speaker from the bottom of the rail. I pry about 10% to the right, then I push towards the rail and lift up |
| 03:19.25 | k4p741nkrunch | I ripped the black rubber off the very bottom, but I actually think it helped |
| 03:21.29 | k4p741nkrunch | Since I adjusted my cpu scaling script my wifi over ssh has been really laggy |
| 03:21.47 | jauderho | hmm |
| 03:22.11 | jauderho | it seems like the wall/exterior on the right side is pretty fragile |
| 03:22.15 | Ikyo | Why do people not follow directions then want to bitch because stuff doesn't work |
| 03:22.27 | jauderho | even with putting my thumb there to brace it. |
| 03:22.33 | k4p741nkrunch | Like it's on the touchstone and I'm ssh'ed in, I leave for a second then come back and ssh is frozen. It will unfreeze after like 5 minutes |
| 03:22.48 | k4p741nkrunch | You should barely be hitting it |
| 03:22.53 | jauderho | it went into powersave mode |
| 03:23.42 | k4p741nkrunch | Get a reaaally small screwdriver |
| 03:24.06 | k4p741nkrunch | And just get it in there enough to get the tip underneath |
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| 03:24.11 | jauderho | well no time to try now. |
| 03:24.15 | jauderho | have to go to gf's |
| 03:24.20 | jauderho | or I will be lit on fire |
| 03:24.24 | jauderho | will try later |
| 03:24.51 | k4p741nkrunch | haha |
| 03:25.05 | k4p741nkrunch | Ikyo who is it this time |
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| 03:56.08 | analog` | http://ihatemyiphone.com/ |
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| 03:58.56 | zsoc | just needed to stop in and say, you guys are awesome. love the preware update, patch works great. |
| 03:59.03 | zsoc | and destinal, thanks for fixing term :P |
| 04:00.54 | tharrs- | http://www.ihatemywork.net/search_%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3E%3Cbr%3EI%20SHOULD%20SANTIZIE%20USER%20INPUT%3CBr%3EBy%20Tharris |
| 04:01.00 | tharrs- | thats what i think about ur site |
| 04:01.07 | tharrs- | =p |
| 04:01.47 | rwhitby | zsoc: good to hear everything is working for you. |
| 04:03.23 | zsoc | rwhitby, i'd be available more but work is ridiculous :/ ever contact cpc.. rook.. er something |
| 04:03.25 | tharrs- | :) |
| 04:03.46 | rwhitby | zsoc: not yet |
| 04:04.23 | zsoc | point me towards the cross compiling method you described? for when i have a sec? |
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| 04:06.23 | lmorchard | Damn. My app's working in the emulator, but not in the device so much |
| 04:06.33 | RainMan | hi |
| 04:07.28 | tharrs- | hi |
| 04:07.45 | tharrs- | take it from me, code in emu not same as on device |
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| 04:08.07 | zsoc | dont know what you're talking about, it's identical ;) |
| 04:08.15 | zsoc | atleast the code your working on can be tested in the emu... |
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| 04:08.26 | zsoc | complains the emulator doesn't have a functioning cam :P |
| 04:09.05 | zsoc | Ridiculous question. Anyone working on a voice dialing patch? |
| 04:09.31 | tharrs- | the build verson on the emu and device are different sadly |
| 04:14.59 | phish3 | any examples for appinfo.jason:type="native"? |
| 04:15.05 | phish3 | *json |
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| 04:25.43 | lmorchard | Oh hey, removing my app on the device before installing helps |
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| 04:39.42 | destinal | lmorchard: lol |
| 04:40.04 | lmorchard | It's nice to switch one thing and see all my tests pass :) |
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| 04:42.08 | eztech | Where do I installed web internals shell service so that preware can work? |
| 04:43.47 | destinal | eztech: uh, you don't. you really, really don't. |
| 04:44.06 | destinal | you want to install ipkgservice |
| 04:44.13 | eztech | well preware is telling me it needs to be installed as soon as i run it |
| 04:44.16 | eztech | yes |
| 04:44.31 | destinal | right, the shell service is something totally different |
| 04:44.40 | destinal | very old and very much a security hole |
| 04:44.51 | eztech | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:44.56 | destinal | right, ipkgservice |
| 04:45.20 | destinal | I think you can install it via webos quick install tools |
| 04:45.22 | eztech | yep id love to find out how to install lol |
| 04:45.27 | eztech | emm |
| 04:45.37 | eztech | leme see if i can figure out what u mean |
| 04:45.44 | eztech | please dont leave 1 min tops |
| 04:45.49 | destinal | kk= |
| 04:47.38 | eztech | doggonnit now im getting dev not deteced msg in web os quick install |
| 04:48.09 | destinal | eztech: hmmm, what operating system? |
| 04:48.12 | eztech | also ive been at this for about 3 hours now finally getting novacom ect to work on win 7 |
| 04:48.19 | destinal | ah |
| 04:48.20 | eztech | windows 7 64 bit |
| 04:49.09 | eztech | web os quick install was working fine about id say 15m mins ago but i went web os internals root happy installing anything i thought wud help me... |
| 04:49.12 | eztech | and to no avail |
| 04:49.15 | eztech | via root |
| 04:49.25 | destinal | try this |
| 04:49.28 | eztech | with python putty ect |
| 04:49.29 | destinal | novacom get file://etc/palm-build-info |
| 04:49.39 | eztech | in root? |
| 04:49.50 | destinal | nah from windows command line |
| 04:50.55 | eztech | that exactly? |
| 04:50.59 | destinal | yes |
| 04:51.28 | eztech | i think i need to restart my cpu or soemthing |
| 04:51.34 | eztech | unable to find device |
| 04:51.45 | destinal | try start, run, services.msc |
| 04:51.51 | destinal | look for Palm Novacom |
| 04:51.56 | eztech | kk |
| 04:51.58 | destinal | stop that and start it again |
| 04:52.38 | eztech | windows cannot start |
| 04:52.47 | eztech | cannot find the local file specified |
| 04:52.52 | eztech | hmm |
| 04:53.04 | eztech | thats after stopping it btw |
| 04:53.09 | destinal | weird |
| 04:53.22 | destinal | sounds like the novacom service you spent so long installing is broken |
| 04:53.29 | eztech | well |
| 04:53.34 | eztech | i have an idea |
| 04:53.41 | eztech | i checked properties |
| 04:53.53 | eztech | leme make sure its directory is still existant |
| 04:54.02 | eztech | also thanks a bunch for your time |
| 04:54.17 | destinal | you're welcome |
| 04:54.26 | eztech | C:\Program Files\Palm, Inc\novacom\amd64\novacomd.exe guna check here |
| 04:57.02 | eztech | ok im reinstalling novacom 64 |
| 04:57.08 | eztech | hopefulyl that works |
| 04:57.16 | eztech | if not im guna try to reboot pc |
| 04:58.27 | eztech | u guna be here for a lil bit? my reboot takes about 1-2mins |
| 04:58.50 | destinal | yeah, I'll be here for a bit |
| 04:59.37 | eztech | kk brb |
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| 05:02.31 | eztech_ | im bak |
| 05:03.53 | destinal | ah |
| 05:03.58 | eztech_ | z.z |
| 05:04.12 | eztech_ | seems i need to uninstall palm novacom somehow... |
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| 05:05.37 | eztech_ | great my pre is no longer getting detected... |
| 05:06.05 | eztech_ | i have no idea why im next to positve tho it mustve had to do with a root comand that i performed |
| 05:06.39 | eztech_ | cd /tmp |
| 05:07.28 | eztech_ | i wonder if i shud use webos doctor again and reformat my pre... |
| 05:07.31 | destinal | eztech_: too many unknowns for me to do much, I'd advise running webos doctor and then enabling dev mode. i |
| 05:07.37 | eztech_ | maybee thats why its so effed up lol? |
| 05:08.11 | destinal | it's hard to tell at the moment if it's something up with novacom on the pc side or the pre side |
| 05:08.25 | eztech_ | well |
| 05:08.34 | eztech_ | nova com service wont run for me now |
| 05:08.37 | eztech_ | ever since i stoped it |
| 05:08.50 | eztech_ | so its possibly my pc side... |
| 05:08.51 | destinal | well that's bound to be the biggest issue |
| 05:09.05 | eztech_ | well its no big issue really |
| 05:09.23 | destinal | I'd try uninstalling and reinstalling novacom service |
| 05:09.30 | eztech_ | hmm |
| 05:10.05 | eztech_ | i went to dev manager and dleeted driver |
| 05:10.09 | eztech_ | and uninstalled |
| 05:10.15 | eztech_ | ill try reinstalling now |
| 05:10.27 | destinal | uninstalled it from the control panel also? |
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| 05:11.09 | eztech_ | where is it located in ccontrol panel? |
| 05:12.00 | eztech_ | ok good im back to device driver not succefully installed for palm novacam driver |
| 05:12.11 | destinal | just from add/remove or programs and features or wherever you uninstall programs in win7 |
| 05:12.31 | eztech_ | is there any way to remove services? |
| 05:12.50 | destinal | well usually it's part of a installer package, not sure on how you installed it though |
| 05:12.54 | psykoz | as in widnows services? |
| 05:12.58 | psykoz | as in windows* |
| 05:13.00 | destinal | so usually you can uninstall the package |
| 05:13.08 | Eguy | anyone watch the launch? |
| 05:15.47 | eztech_ | yes windows services |
| 05:15.59 | eztech_ | im trying to remove palm novacom service |
| 05:16.06 | eztech_ | troubleshooting it it was working fine |
| 05:16.41 | psykoz | go to dos |
| 05:16.42 | psykoz | sc /? |
| 05:16.48 | psykoz | has syntax for deleting a service |
| 05:18.27 | eztech_ | hmm |
| 05:18.42 | destinal | eztech_: did you check programs and features or whatever it is in win7?> |
| 05:18.51 | eztech_ | yep |
| 05:18.55 | eztech_ | no palm service |
| 05:19.03 | destinal | well it might say novacom |
| 05:19.07 | destinal | or something else |
| 05:19.46 | destinal | the name of the package may not match the name of the service |
| 05:20.05 | eztech_ | ya im seeing that |
| 05:20.06 | eztech_ | well |
| 05:20.13 | eztech_ | heres my next steps lol |
| 05:20.22 | eztech_ | #1 reformat phone |
| 05:20.29 | eztech_ | # 2 reformat cpu |
| 05:20.39 | eztech_ | install xp 32bit or w/e |
| 05:20.52 | eztech_ | since it seems to be the most complatible |
| 05:21.03 | destinal | eztech_: you won't be able to doctor your phone without novacom :-/ |
| 05:21.17 | eztech_ | altho i dont see why it was working fine then it just stopped working |
| 05:21.24 | eztech_ | ooo |
| 05:21.26 | eztech_ | UR RIGHT |
| 05:21.34 | destinal | try running the msi file again? |
| 05:21.52 | destinal | then check programs and features or whatever and try removing it there |
| 05:22.04 | destinal | then installing it yet again, then hopefully it'll be clean |
| 05:22.49 | destinal | you could always back out to xp but that seems severe |
| 05:23.08 | eztech_ | yea expecially since im so happy with win 7 lol |
| 05:23.21 | eztech_ | its uber fast lol and ive had it for weeks now |
| 05:23.44 | eztech_ | belive it or not its a little faster than xp in my opinion |
| 05:24.19 | eztech_ | also i see what u mean with me not being able to format my phone due to no connection showing up z.Z |
| 05:25.12 | destinal | you could always install xp or ubuntu in a VM |
| 05:25.24 | destinal | and connect through the usb to the VM |
| 05:25.44 | destinal | but I know people have been able to get novacom going fine in win7/64 |
| 05:25.52 | eztech_ | VM? |
| 05:26.07 | eztech_ | well i have reason to belive theres nothing rong with my cpu |
| 05:26.09 | destinal | virtual machine. in that case you probably don't want to :) |
| 05:26.40 | eztech_ | but being that i cant start the service again im seeing a possible prob from my cpu end |
| 05:26.57 | destinal | no it probably means something's screwed up with the installation of novacom |
| 05:27.27 | destinal | or well if by cpu you mean computer and not central processing unit / processor, then yet |
| 05:27.28 | destinal | yeah |
| 05:28.01 | eztech_ | lol |
| 05:28.03 | destinal | but specifically it's the novacom service installation that's hosed up, if you could uninstall and reinstall you'd probably be fine |
| 05:28.16 | eztech_ | yes sorry cpu=computer lol i know it means that too xD |
| 05:29.56 | eztech_ | uninstalling |
| 05:30.00 | eztech_ | sdk and everything |
| 05:30.10 | psykoz | eztech_, did you do the win7 tweak to the novacomd installer that you have to do for it to install? |
| 05:31.03 | eztech_ | not sure all i did is download the .jar opened with winrar and went to resources and double clicked the 64 bit install |
| 05:31.10 | eztech_ | that worked for about 1 hour? |
| 05:31.33 | psykoz | Oh, I dunno about the 64bit install but you have to modify the 32bit install with an msi editor |
| 05:31.38 | eztech_ | and then i guess i got root happy with the phone DESPERATLY TRYING TO FIND IPKGSERVICES |
| 05:31.49 | eztech_ | well |
| 05:31.56 | eztech_ | if u actully search the folder |
| 05:32.04 | eztech_ | theres an amd 64 install |
| 05:32.09 | eztech_ | which u can just click |
| 05:32.45 | eztech_ | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Novacom_with_Windows_7 |
| 05:32.50 | eztech_ | pretty much this |
| 05:34.21 | psykoz | yeah that page says its deprecated now I don't know why its deprecated, this is what I'm talking about. http://www.juergentreml.de/archives/802 |
| 05:35.01 | eztech_ | my installer didnt fail tho |
| 05:35.02 | destinal | ah, to get a full sdk rather than just novacom? |
| 05:35.10 | eztech_ | it went tru fully |
| 05:35.19 | eztech_ | and worked for a while |
| 05:35.54 | destinal | sorry, I have to get to bed, but I hope you guys can figure it out |
| 05:36.46 | eztech_ | np thanks for the help |
| 05:36.59 | psykoz | gotcha |
| 05:37.09 | psykoz | haven't read the full scrollback above so I shouldn't have interjected any |
| 05:37.11 | eztech_ | i definitly figure this out even if it invlovles me formatting everything |
| 05:37.39 | eztech_ | z.z |
| 05:37.42 | psykoz | you've tried doign the whole uninstall, reboot, reinstall, etc? also your Pre is still in dev mode, right? |
| 05:37.55 | eztech_ | yep i checked devmode |
| 05:37.58 | eztech_ | i have the app |
| 05:38.02 | eztech_ | and it shows it is |
| 05:38.17 | eztech_ | also windows shows novacom driver in dev mgr |
| 05:38.20 | eztech_ | BUT |
| 05:38.32 | eztech_ | THE novacom service will not start now... |
| 05:38.38 | eztech_ | reason unknown |
| 05:38.50 | psykoz | have you tried running the novacom startup commandline manually from DOS? |
| 05:39.02 | eztech_ | via msconfig.? |
| 05:39.19 | eztech_ | ohh cmd? |
| 05:39.34 | eztech_ | i dont know what novacom command is |
| 05:40.12 | eztech_ | ok i may have this problem solved |
| 05:40.16 | eztech_ | leme reinstall SDK |
| 05:40.24 | psykoz | nevermind you can't run it via cmd apparently |
| 05:41.32 | eztech_ | yer =/ |
| 05:41.38 | eztech_ | well im reinstalling SDK now |
| 05:41.48 | eztech_ | i have a feeling this will correct the issue |
| 05:42.07 | eztech_ | due to the fact service for palm novacom was removed after unistall of SDK |
| 05:43.02 | eztech_ | WOOT SERVICE SEEMS TO BE STARTED BY WINDOWS |
| 05:43.10 | eztech_ | now leme see if its working |
| 05:43.18 | psykoz | cool :) |
| 05:43.28 | eztech_ | yeh |
| 05:43.29 | eztech_ | it is |
| 05:43.41 | eztech_ | unistalling of SDK did it |
| 05:43.48 | eztech_ | and resinstall of it |
| 05:43.54 | eztech_ | leme explain why |
| 05:44.08 | eztech_ | i allready manually applied novacom driver |
| 05:44.27 | eztech_ | so novacom service was the problem |
| 05:44.36 | eztech_ | im allready rooted into my pre |
| 05:44.45 | eztech_ | heres my dilema |
| 05:44.52 | eztech_ | ALL IM TRYING TO DO ROFL |
| 05:44.58 | eztech_ | is install ipkg service |
| 05:45.05 | eztech_ | i need it for preware |
| 05:45.26 | eztech_ | i want the sick ass onscreen keyboar |
| 05:48.41 | eztech_ | psycoz u derE? |
| 05:48.55 | destinal | eztech_: so use webos quick install to install ipkgservice? |
| 05:49.06 | eztech_ | how? |
| 05:49.13 | eztech_ | im not aware of how |
| 05:49.31 | destinal | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware |
| 05:49.38 | destinal | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installation |
| 05:49.53 | eztech_ | ohh please |
| 05:49.58 | eztech_ | dont refer me there |
| 05:50.05 | Eguy | What is Preware> |
| 05:50.06 | Eguy | ? |
| 05:50.11 | eztech_ | i ve read that left and right |
| 05:50.23 | destinal | eztech_: the steps for installing the service are there |
| 05:50.31 | eztech_ | its like file coaster and preupdate and the other all in one |
| 05:50.31 | destinal | using webos quick install tool |
| 05:50.40 | oc80z | whats good |
| 05:50.58 | destinal | eztech_: I don't know what you want when it's right there |
| 05:51.10 | eztech_ | dest i think ur confused on what im talking about |
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| 05:51.17 | destinal | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.27 | destinal | Package Manager Service = ipkgservice |
| 05:51.29 | eztech_ | preware is allready installed |
| 05:51.37 | eztech_ | when i run preware |
| 05:51.45 | eztech_ | i get an ERROR |
| 05:51.47 | eztech_ | says |
| 05:51.58 | destinal | did you select *** Package Manager Service *** and Preware from the list. |
| 05:52.01 | destinal | both? |
| 05:52.17 | eztech_ | package manager service |
| 05:52.18 | eztech_ | hmm |
| 05:52.19 | eztech_ | nope |
| 05:52.30 | destinal | ok, that's in the instructions I was trying to have you go through |
| 05:53.02 | eztech_ | wow dest |
| 05:53.27 | eztech_ | IVE READ THOSE INSTRUTCIONS at least 12 times and i swear i didnt relize that |
| 05:53.34 | eztech_ | TAHNKS SOOOO MUCH MAN! |
| 05:53.38 | eztech_ | seriolsy |
| 05:53.39 | destinal | eztech_: you're welcome :) |
| 05:53.53 | destinal | eztech_: maybe they should be modified to make it clearer it's two different items |
| 05:53.59 | eztech_ | this had me going on 4 hours of figuring i feel like a retrar |
| 05:54.13 | eztech_ | wow i service and repair pcs all day lol |
| 05:54.16 | psykoz | destinal, when did terminal switch back from requiring you to login ? to just going straight to root |
| 05:54.22 | eztech_ | but dis had me puzzeld |
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| 05:54.57 | destinal | psykoz: yeah it goes straight to root now, though you can edit the javascript to have it log in as a non root user |
| 05:55.29 | psykoz | cool, I'll poke around with it then :) |
| 05:55.30 | destinal | we need to make that a configuration file or something |
| 05:55.49 | destinal | psykoz: in http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application_talk:Terminal |
| 05:55.53 | eztech_ | Dest thanks allot i owe you one seriosly |
| 05:56.03 | destinal | and edit session-assistant.js Search for the line that reads this.termplugin.start("root"); |
| 05:56.05 | oc80z | hrm |
| 05:56.22 | eztech_ | is there a way i can register my username here? id like to come back more frequently |
| 05:56.28 | destinal | eztech_: glad that got you squared away, I think the instructions need some work |
| 05:56.33 | TheBat | Anyone find a way around the pandora region lock yet? |
| 05:56.38 | TheBat | i want internet radio in canada |
| 05:56.41 | destinal | ie two different items saying click this, click that |
| 05:56.52 | TheBat | Other than shoutcast |
| 05:56.57 | destinal | I almost missed it myself and I knew what I was looking for |
| 06:21.52 | oil | must say, terminal IS pretty cool |
| 06:21.58 | oc80z | hells yeah |
| 06:21.59 | oc80z | upgrade> |
| 06:22.06 | psykoz | terminal is teh gayz, who wants that app? :) |
| 06:22.39 | oil | takes some getting used to for the characters |
| 06:23.14 | oc80z | Updating list... |
| 06:23.17 | oil | i constantly find myself saying, "now, how do i do an escape again?" |
| 06:23.18 | oc80z | w/e u say |
| 06:23.19 | Eguy | it is pretty awesome |
| 06:23.32 | Eguy | orange + space ;) |
| 06:23.36 | oil | yeah |
| 06:23.46 | oil | im just saying it takes time to commit that to memory |
| 06:23.51 | Eguy | ah |
| 06:23.54 | oil | i cont control down |
| 06:23.57 | oil | but, that one is easy |
| 06:24.00 | Eguy | I want to know how to do { and } |
| 06:24.01 | oil | got* |
| 06:24.11 | oil | those are easy |
| 06:24.14 | oil | you dont! |
| 06:24.18 | Eguy | hah |
| 06:24.20 | oc80z | awesome 26 phone radiopower |
| 06:24.55 | oil | though if they didnt use sym for control, you could have used the on screen sym selection |
| 06:25.08 | Eguy | Yeah |
| 06:25.15 | oil | maybe they should add the option to have a small osk at the bottom for special characters |
| 06:25.21 | oc80z | No such file or directory |
| 06:25.22 | oc80z | wtf |
| 06:25.46 | oc80z | patching file usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/controllers/bar-assistant.js |
| 06:25.53 | oc80z | is taht a typo? usr/ <no leading /> |
| 06:26.06 | oil | perhaps? |
| 06:26.25 | oc80z | hrmz |
| 06:27.20 | oc80z | yikes |
| 06:27.54 | oc80z | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.06 | oc80z | Hows preware going???????? |
| 06:28.12 | oc80z | smashing |
| 06:28.15 | oc80z | ? |
| 06:28.16 | oil | maybe ill just checkout the terminal app and add a small row of buttons at the bottom for special keys xD |
| 06:29.18 | oil | haha |
| 06:29.31 | oil | its nowhere, thats where |
| 06:30.24 | oc80z | LIES! |
| 06:30.33 | oil | what? |
| 06:30.44 | oc80z | im installin it now |
| 06:31.04 | eztech_ | anyone using the keyboard? onscreen? via preware? |
| 06:31.18 | oc80z | *sigh* there is no space with it? |
| 06:31.43 | psykoz | I am, and have used it before its preware install |
| 06:31.55 | psykoz | re: OSK |
| 06:32.05 | eztech_ | how do i install it without preware? |
| 06:32.13 | eztech_ | like via root wats the command? |
| 06:32.40 | oil | install OSK |
| 06:32.47 | destinal | oil: yeah I think a row on the bottom would be cool, if it changed with different states of keys like orange, shift, sym, etc it would be even better. and I wonder about sym+something to pop up a symbol keypad like the normal one |
| 06:33.08 | oil | how exactly does the plugin work? |
| 06:33.10 | eztech_ | i wish i cud get it working lol |
| 06:33.12 | oil | hasnt looked at the app code |
| 06:33.15 | eztech_ | doesnt seem to work for me |
| 06:33.26 | oil | like a <object> tag or something? |
| 06:33.33 | destinal | oil: yes, it's an embed tag |
| 06:33.36 | oil | ah |
| 06:33.45 | oil | so, you can still do whatever |
| 06:33.50 | destinal | the plugin exposes javascript methods |
| 06:34.06 | oil | like its named id=plugin |
| 06:34.10 | oil | and you run the stuff off that |
| 06:34.15 | oc80z | lulz preware is d0pe |
| 06:34.21 | oil | it is |
| 06:34.21 | destinal | yeah |
| 06:34.22 | oil | i agree |
| 06:34.24 | oil | but, im partial |
| 06:35.01 | destinal | oil: I bet if you looked at the mojo code it would make sense to you |
| 06:35.01 | oil | destinal: no qualms with me screwing it up? |
| 06:35.11 | destinal | oil: have at |
| 06:35.14 | oil | lol |
| 06:35.17 | destinal | glad to have help :) |
| 06:35.25 | oc80z | quickqueue is bomb+ |
| 06:35.32 | oil | any thoughts on design? |
| 06:35.37 | eztech_ | how come virtual keyboard shows its installed yet it still wont work via preware? |
| 06:35.37 | oc80z | smooth |
| 06:35.39 | oil | i was thinking 2 or so rows of buttons |
| 06:35.41 | oil | that are always visible |
| 06:35.54 | oc80z | o kb? |
| 06:36.07 | oc80z | wheres teh space? |
| 06:36.13 | destinal | I had thought one row always visible, but I guess it would depend on how much space was needed to make it work well |
| 06:36.45 | destinal | and I would change the row based on meta key status |
| 06:37.02 | destinal | so you could overload it as 4 rows essentially |
| 06:37.06 | destinal | in one |
| 06:37.13 | oil | yeah |
| 06:37.33 | oil | but some keys you would want quick access to |
| 06:37.34 | oil | like |
| 06:37.37 | oil | control and escape? |
| 06:37.37 | destinal | and then I think I still want to call the regular sym button function |
| 06:37.41 | oil | delete? |
| 06:37.50 | destinal | maybe as a gui button |
| 06:38.30 | destinal | well, control is sym so we don't need it on that bar |
| 06:38.41 | oil | yeah |
| 06:39.15 | destinal | but escape, yeah, I think orange-space isn't exactly obvious |
| 06:39.26 | destinal | and you usually want escape fast |
| 06:39.40 | oil | yeah |
| 06:40.09 | oil | what about |
| 06:40.16 | oil | sym as control |
| 06:40.20 | oil | orange as escape |
| 06:40.31 | oil | and gesture taps to scroll the row of onscreen buttons |
| 06:40.42 | oil | er, switch them |
| 06:40.54 | oil | ? |
| 06:41.01 | destinal | well, orange is orange, people will want to be able to use the alternate keys on the keyboard |
| 06:41.16 | oil | right now its just for esc and pipe |
| 06:41.25 | destinal | not at all |
| 06:41.33 | oil | right |
| 06:41.37 | oil | and all the other orange-buttons |
| 06:41.51 | destinal | yeah |
| 06:42.02 | oil | maybe ill download the code and check it out |
| 06:42.27 | destinal | so I forgot, we turned off the javascript method for being sent a key code |
| 06:42.33 | destinal | from mojo |
| 06:42.56 | oil | its all being captured directly to the plugin? |
| 06:43.09 | eztech_ | I LOVE THE ONSCREEN KEYBOARD! |
| 06:43.10 | destinal | yeah, if it's focused, luna sends it keycodes direct |
| 06:43.32 | oil | ah |
| 06:43.39 | destinal | the biggest reason to disable the function was security also |
| 06:43.40 | Eguy | a little laggy but it works great |
| 06:43.47 | Eguy | but what isn't laggy on the Pre |
| 06:43.54 | eztech_ | good point |
| 06:43.55 | destinal | we don't want random mojo apps to be able to embed the plugin and stuff it keys |
| 06:44.01 | oil | yeah |
| 06:44.04 | oil | makes sense |
| 06:44.14 | eztech_ | everything shud be faster with the fast proccessor.... |
| 06:44.23 | Eguy | SHOULD be, yes |
| 06:44.29 | Eguy | Is it? Nope |
| 06:44.52 | Eguy | boot time is rediculous |
| 06:44.59 | destinal | oil: so that will be a big problem for the mojo keyboard stuff |
| 06:45.04 | oil | yeah |
| 06:45.09 | oil | it pretty much throws my idea out the window |
| 06:45.09 | destinal | we could do some kind of security handoff function |
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| 06:45.10 | oil | lol |
| 06:45.25 | destinal | well the reason we prompted for a root password before |
| 06:45.30 | destinal | was to avoid the whole issue |
| 06:45.37 | oil | but then you had to set a root password |
| 06:45.40 | destinal | yeah |
| 06:45.44 | oil | what about |
| 06:45.56 | oil | adding more stuff to the plugin |
| 06:45.56 | oil | like |
| 06:46.01 | oil | sendEscape() |
| 06:46.14 | destinal | or we could whitelist valid chars to be sent |
| 06:46.22 | oil | yeah |
| 06:46.26 | oil | but if we're just doing specific ones |
| 06:46.35 | oil | you could just do it for them |
| 06:46.56 | destinal | sure, I'm just a little nervous that it'll become a huge list of functions over time |
| 06:47.09 | oil | well there is only so many keys |
| 06:47.10 | oil | lol |
| 06:47.21 | oil | but yeah, a sendKey() function |
| 06:47.24 | oil | that only allows certain stuff |
| 06:47.32 | destinal | yeah |
| 06:47.36 | oil | would work for a small row of buttons |
| 06:48.10 | oil | obviously one "view" should be arrows and the home row |
| 06:48.34 | oil | im sure they could all fit in two rows |
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| 06:48.59 | oil | then its <> | {} pipe escape |
| 06:49.12 | oil | er, except i said pipe twice |
| 06:49.13 | oil | lol |
| 06:49.21 | destinal | :) |
| 06:49.47 | oil | though <> | {} |
| 06:49.51 | eztech_ | iphone has background services enable app |
| 06:49.55 | oil | would all be in that standard sym screen |
| 06:49.59 | eztech_ | which sucks for us pres! |
| 06:50.15 | oil | eztech_ it requires jailbreaking though |
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| 06:51.38 | destinal | oil: well, if you feel like hacking on it, feel free.. I can always work along with you and add in the exposed methods if you'd rather stay on the js side |
| 06:52.16 | destinal | if you're good with c / c++, that's cool too |
| 06:52.20 | oil | yeah |
| 06:52.20 | oil | im not |
| 06:52.21 | oil | haha |
| 06:52.34 | destinal | and I'm not so hot with mojo |
| 06:52.38 | destinal | so that's cool :) |
| 06:52.45 | oil | lol |
| 06:53.15 | destinal | ok, I've been meaning to go to bed for the last hour |
| 06:53.19 | destinal | so I really will this time |
| 06:53.30 | oil | lol |
| 06:53.35 | destinal | night all |
| 06:53.38 | oil | im sure ill be askin questions tomorrow |
| 06:53.41 | oil | later |
| 06:54.06 | destinal-sleep | oil: sounds like a plan :) |
| 06:55.31 | Eguy | lol!!! |
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| 06:57.34 | JaSonx | evening guys |
| 06:57.54 | oil | which is safe to say, cause there definitely isn't any chicks on the interwebs |
| 06:58.08 | JaSonx | whats the quilt command to remove a patch instead of all of them ? |
| 06:58.15 | oil | doesnt |
| 06:58.18 | JaSonx | lol oil |
| 06:58.25 | Eguy | lol!!! |
| 06:58.29 | Eguy | nice one |
| 06:58.56 | Eguy | look where you are oil...fat chance in here LOL |
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| 07:00.54 | JaSonx | ah i just want to remove one of the patches i have applied |
| 07:00.59 | oil | JaSonx: i dont know anything about quilt |
| 07:01.03 | JaSonx | its ok |
| 07:01.14 | JaSonx | im sure someone knows but its late lol |
| 07:01.15 | oil | im sure its on the wiki somewhere |
| 07:01.21 | v3ritas | have you tried quilt pop path/to/patch ? |
| 07:01.22 | oil | im sure you're not hte first to want to remove a patch |
| 07:01.23 | oil | haha |
| 07:01.25 | JaSonx | i couldnt find it |
| 07:01.39 | JaSonx | quilt pop uninstalls all of them |
| 07:01.53 | v3ritas | quilt pop -a uninstalls all of them |
| 07:01.58 | JaSonx | yes |
| 07:02.38 | JaSonx | root@castle:/# quilt pop /opt/src/patches/message-orientation.patch |
| 07:02.38 | JaSonx | No patch removed |
| 07:02.38 | JaSonx | thats what i get |
| 07:03.09 | eztech_ | anyone know how to landscape my msgs? |
| 07:03.16 | v3ritas | lol |
| 07:03.32 | v3ritas | ^ The same patch JaSonx is removing |
| 07:03.38 | JaSonx | lol |
| 07:03.39 | eztech_ | lol |
| 07:03.44 | eztech_ | why wud he remove it? |
| 07:03.53 | v3ritas | I was thinking of removing it too |
| 07:03.58 | eztech_ | does it make it forced landscape? |
| 07:04.08 | v3ritas | no, orientation-sensing |
| 07:04.18 | eztech_ | how wud i install it lol |
| 07:04.29 | v3ritas | did you see fritos' post? |
| 07:04.39 | JaSonx | cd / |
| 07:04.39 | JaSonx | wget http://filebin.ca/sxrbkp/message-orientation.patch |
| 07:04.39 | JaSonx | quilt import message-orientation.patch |
| 07:04.39 | JaSonx | quilt push -a -f |
| 07:04.39 | JaSonx | stop LunaSysMgr && start LunaSysMgr |
| 07:04.42 | v3ritas | JaSonx, what's the last patch in your quilt series? |
| 07:04.43 | JaSonx | thats how |
| 07:04.54 | JaSonx | the message orientation |
| 07:05.04 | eztech_ | i dont know how to use quilt lol |
| 07:05.13 | eztech_ | anyone wana give me a quick rundown |
| 07:05.15 | JaSonx | ez have you even installed it ? |
| 07:05.15 | v3ritas | extech: have you even set it up? |
| 07:05.29 | eztech_ | not sure if i did lol |
| 07:05.29 | JaSonx | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Applying_Patches |
| 07:05.39 | JaSonx | well read that likn |
| 07:05.41 | JaSonx | link |
| 07:05.46 | JaSonx | its easy |
| 07:05.57 | eztech_ | ill let you know if i need help |
| 07:06.03 | JaSonx | lol ok |
| 07:10.53 | eztech_ | how do i import patches? |
| 07:11.02 | v3ritas | quilt import |
| 07:11.10 | v3ritas | quilt import insert/path/to/patch |
| 07:13.10 | eztech_ | o |
| 07:19.07 | rwhitby | re |
| 07:19.42 | rwhitby | any outstanding Preware or Virtual Keyboard installation problems? |
| 07:20.34 | oc80z | no, clean. |
| 07:20.44 | oc80z | cept for that 1 on the board |
| 07:20.53 | oc80z | brb |
| 07:20.59 | oc80z | i think it was closed |
| 07:21.15 | v3ritas | Was the Virtual Keyboard kind of a test for patching through Preware? |
| 07:24.45 | oc80z | i cant stop sneezing h1n1 |
| 07:25.03 | edektor | anybody know if the camera service is restricted to palm? |
| 07:30.23 | rwhitby | v3ritas: virtual keyboard was a sinister marketing ploy purely designed to get Preware onto as many devices as possible, so they can ultimately be used to build SkyNet and rule the world. |
| 07:33.39 | v3ritas | =O |
| 07:33.44 | v3ritas | Really?!?! Can i help?! |
| 07:40.23 | edektor | where are all the services stored again? |
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| 07:43.52 | eztech_ | omg my phone seems to be perma frozen! |
| 07:44.15 | eztech_ | its sooo laggy my phone! |
| 07:44.29 | eztech_ | os quickinstall damm joo! |
| 07:47.03 | oil | its teh postinst scripts |
| 07:47.08 | oil | for services |
| 07:47.12 | oil | they restart java |
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| 08:15.00 | oc80z | ughkz http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Radio_Power_Switch#Installation |
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| 08:24.57 | oc80z | oh this kb is ancient |
| 08:30.26 | oc80z | *shrug* |
| 08:30.33 | oc80z | bout to just reimage |
| 08:31.41 | oc80z | i want that kb and that radio/off |
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| 14:13.28 | MLJones8 | Hey all, does anyone know if the quickinstall app is using any force functions when installing tweaks? |
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| 15:24.16 | TheBat | MSN on the Pre |
| 15:24.17 | TheBat | Possible? |
| 15:25.14 | AnOutsider | anything is possible I suppose |
| 15:25.18 | AnOutsider | has it happened yet? nah haha |
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| 15:59.04 | DdAaDd | Hi all... |
| 15:59.04 | DdAaDd | I need help with the Css files.. |
| 16:00.24 | DdAaDd | I want to edit some Text - lables and Icons that now shown in this format : icon in right, text-lable in left. |
| 16:01.07 | DdAaDd | I want to change it to be in the opposite way, icon in left, text-lable in right. |
| 16:01.10 | DdAaDd | how to do that? |
| 16:01.12 | DdAaDd | plz help me.. |
| 16:01.14 | DdAaDd | anybody? |
| 16:01.26 | AnOutsider | can you firstly wait for someoen to respond before flooding the chat |
| 16:01.35 | AnOutsider | secondly, you need to edit the CSS |
| 16:01.47 | AnOutsider | http://www.w3schools.com/css/ |
| 16:01.53 | AnOutsider | check there for a good CSS reference |
| 16:04.00 | DdAaDd | Yes, but I dont know which CSs deal with each page in the palm application... |
| 16:04.38 | DdAaDd | AnOutsider..? |
| 16:04.57 | bpadalino | sounds like a good time to learn |
| 16:05.20 | DdAaDd | Can I show u an example |
| 16:05.21 | DdAaDd | ? |
| 16:06.30 | bpadalino | don't paste it into the channel - paste it online then link it ... |
| 16:06.51 | bpadalino | moreover, i am an idiot and don't know anything about css - so you can show me all you want ... i can't be very helpful |
| 16:07.39 | DdAaDd | what about u AnOutsider? |
| 16:07.40 | bpadalino | a novel concept would be to try it out and see what happens |
| 16:07.40 | DdAaDd | do u understand it better? |
| 16:07.50 | DdAaDd | nothing happends.. |
| 16:07.57 | DdAaDd | I play with it few hours.. |
| 16:07.59 | bpadalino | give a man a fish ... yadda yadda ... |
| 16:08.02 | DdAaDd | nothing happends |
| 16:08.17 | bpadalino | did you restart luna after making your changes ? |
| 16:08.45 | DdAaDd | of course.. |
| 16:08.58 | bpadalino | i suggest changing something else then |
| 16:11.35 | AnOutsider | you really should understand the base srtup of the palm applications first -- that'll get you editing the right CSS file |
| 16:11.55 | AnOutsider | secondly, you should understand the base concepts of CSS if you don't, that'll get you making the proper changes |
| 16:12.13 | AnOutsider | but if you want, I can take a look at your CSS. Paste it here; http://webos.pastebin.com/ |
| 16:12.17 | AnOutsider | then link us |
| 16:12.22 | DdAaDd | Ok... |
| 16:12.24 | DdAaDd | here it is.. |
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| 16:13.24 | DdAaDd | http://webos.pastebin.com/m52af6471 |
| 16:13.57 | atlanta | wsup people |
| 16:14.17 | DdAaDd | look at lines 148.. and 157 |
| 16:14.37 | DdAaDd | I want to put profiles-clip.png icon on right, and the text on left. |
| 16:14.41 | DdAaDd | What I should do? |
| 16:14.55 | AnOutsider | try changing the float to right? |
| 16:15.22 | AnOutsider | then you'll want to change padding-right to padding-left at line 152 |
| 16:18.39 | DdAaDd | did |
| 16:18.45 | DdAaDd | that the first thing I did |
| 16:19.42 | atlanta | DdAaDd: what are you trying to do |
| 16:19.43 | atlanta | ? |
| 16:20.57 | DdAaDd | in this Css...? |
| 16:21.02 | DdAaDd | I want to put profiles-clip.png icon on right, and the text on left. |
| 16:21.48 | AnOutsider | you might also have to alter the HTML to put the icon AFTER the title text |
| 16:21.59 | AnOutsider | that or add float:left; to the class on line 164 |
| 16:28.51 | DdAaDd | Still it's on the same places... |
| 16:29.03 | DdAaDd | whare I was befor I made those changes.. |
| 16:29.57 | AnOutsider | are you sure you're editing the right file? |
| 16:30.08 | AnOutsider | make a radical change like changing the textcolor to red |
| 16:30.26 | AnOutsider | see if that change picks up. That way you'll at least know if your changes are being registered or not |
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| 17:08.13 | DdAaDd | it says in the stylesheet file L |
| 17:08.15 | DdAaDd | : |
| 17:08.25 | DdAaDd | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.26 | DdAaDd | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.40 | DdAaDd | Should I link it in another file? |
| 17:09.13 | AnOutsider | did you try what was suggested above? |
| 17:10.18 | DdAaDd | I did |
| 17:10.42 | symos | Quick question: I'm playing around with the json files in the virtual KB, but need a quick way to see the changes without doing a full reboot. |
| 17:10.56 | atlanta | symos: stop LunaSysMgr |
| 17:10.58 | atlanta | then do |
| 17:10.59 | symos | Anyone knows how to "reset" the keyboard without a reboot? |
| 17:11.00 | DdAaDd | Is it enough only to put the styleshees file in this directoy? |
| 17:11.04 | atlanta | start LunaSysMgr |
| 17:11.08 | DdAaDd | nothing else needed to do? |
| 17:11.15 | DdAaDd | AnOutsider? |
| 17:11.24 | AnOutsider | huh |
| 17:11.28 | atlanta | symos: and when changing the .json i dont believe u even need to reboot |
| 17:11.36 | AnOutsider | did ut ry what I suggested? if so, what was the outcome? |
| 17:11.38 | atlanta | symos: just make the changes then open up the keyboard |
| 17:12.05 | atlanta | DdAaDd: i good suggestion will be get it to show up on your computer in a .html file then pretty much will get it working in the app |
| 17:12.15 | symos | atlanta: you need a reboot, I checked, I'll try the LunaSysMgr service that you suggested |
| 17:13.08 | atlanta | symos: when i change the style i dont have to reboot just reopen it |
| 17:13.22 | atlanta | symos: but the Luna service will work |
| 17:14.02 | symos | atlanta: I make changes to the characters in the jsons (investigating the possibility of a "language pack") and don't see the changes unless I reboot |
| 17:14.21 | atlanta | oh ok the character one |
| 17:14.26 | atlanta | thought you ment the config one sorry |
| 17:15.17 | DdAaDd | what u mean? atlanta? |
| 17:16.04 | atlanta | DdAaDd: what i do when i make my apps i build the looks of them in a html on my pc |
| 17:16.17 | atlanta | then put it on the pre and code the inside of it around the design |
| 17:16.45 | atlanta | DdAaDd: so play around with the css and html on your pc to get how u want it to show |
| 17:17.07 | atlanta | DdAaDd: probably will be faster also than making changes on the PRE then having to restart Luna etc |
| 17:19.24 | DdAaDd | Should I need to do it with Komodo?? |
| 17:22.24 | AnOutsider | you can do it in any text editor |
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| 17:37.55 | symos | When I change an english character in the kbchars_fulltable.json file with a greek one and type it on the keyboard, all I get is a block character instead of the greek character |
| 17:38.10 | symos | something to do with encoding? any ideas? |
| 17:38.42 | symos | it's not that the Pre doesn't support greek or anything as I have synced all my calendars and contacts and they display fine |
| 17:39.24 | Rick_work | symos -- it saddly isn't that simple. |
| 17:39.45 | Rick_work | how are you putting in the greek character? |
| 17:39.49 | symos | (I really hoped it was :-D ) |
| 17:39.59 | symos | with vi through putty |
| 17:40.03 | Rick_work | no |
| 17:40.07 | Rick_work | that's not what I ment. |
| 17:40.26 | Rick_work | What are you entering in the place where you want to enter a greek character? |
| 17:40.29 | Rick_work | and in which field? |
| 17:41.45 | symos | ok, let me explain this better: I vi the kbchars_fulltable.json file. I find one line with an english character, e.g. keycode 69 which is "e" |
| 17:41.59 | Rick_work | nodnod |
| 17:42.20 | symos | I change it to the greek character "e" and then open the virtual kb in the emulator, say in messaging |
| 17:42.27 | Rick_work | wait |
| 17:42.33 | symos | now when I press "e" instead of "e" I get a block |
| 17:42.54 | Rick_work | When you say you change it to the greek character "e" -- what --- EXACTLY -- are you typing in that space where the e used to be? |
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| 17:43.31 | symos | I change my keyboard (in Windows) to greek and just type "e". And the greek character "e" appears. Then I save and close |
| 17:43.39 | Rick_work | that will not work |
| 17:43.47 | Rick_work | you're putting in a windows codepage e. |
| 17:43.55 | Rick_work | You need to enter a unicode e |
| 17:43.55 | symos | oh |
| 17:44.11 | Rick_work | wait one |
| 17:44.31 | symos | If i do it from Linux will it be ok? Or will it still need sth different? |
| 17:44.38 | Rick_work | nope |
| 17:44.44 | Rick_work | it will not NESSESARILY be right |
| 17:44.50 | Rick_work | wait, I'll give you the codings. |
| 17:44.51 | Rick_work | hold on |
| 17:47.58 | Rick_work | http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/entities/symbols.html |
| 17:48.07 | Rick_work | you will need to enter them as html entities. |
| 17:48.15 | Rick_work | that table will give you the coding |
| 17:48.19 | Rick_work | use the first column |
| 17:48.56 | Rick_work | so for instance ε |
| 17:49.07 | Rick_work | I did _say_ it was tricky... |
| 17:49.24 | Rick_work | but -everything you see in mojo- is rendered html |
| 17:49.32 | Rick_work | and so using html entities is the logical thing to do. |
| 17:49.34 | Rick_work | ;-) |
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| 17:51.31 | symos | ok, I'll play around and see where this gets me. It shouldn't be that tricky to just convert 26 characters in a file! At least that's what I'm hoping :-) |
| 17:51.32 | Rick_work | symos you could also do the unicode encoding |
| 17:51.39 | Rick_work | it'snot 26 |
| 17:51.47 | Rick_work | you have to do the upper and lower SEPERATELY |
| 17:51.53 | Rick_work | and if you have toruble with the entities |
| 17:52.18 | symos | well OK, 52 then |
| 17:52.25 | Rick_work | you can use unicode instead "U+0370" to "U+03FF" is the basic code page for greek |
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| 17:52.41 | symos | how do I input unicode though? I think I'd rather do that |
| 17:52.41 | Rick_work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_alphabet#Greek_in_Unicode |
| 17:53.12 | Rick_work | "U+0394" is an upper case delta |
| 17:53.32 | Rick_work | there's a nice table on the wikipedia page I linked. |
| 17:53.32 | symos | so I change "D" to "U+0394"? |
| 17:53.40 | Rick_work | nodnod |
| 17:53.45 | Rick_work | but try _one_ |
| 17:53.53 | symos | yeah, I will.. |
| 17:53.55 | Rick_work | because if that doesn't work, you're back to html entities.... |
| 17:53.59 | Rick_work | but it SHOULD work. |
| 17:54.04 | Rick_work | I think |
| 17:54.06 | symos | great, that shoulnd't take long |
| 17:54.26 | Rick_work | and be VERY CAREFUL. The file is "touchy" |
| 17:54.53 | Rick_work | so, hard kb in english, soft kb in Greek. |
| 17:54.55 | Rick_work | Cool. |
| 17:55.15 | Rick_work | Note that you could extend the symbols table too, so you could always just SCROLL DOWN to the greek..... |
| 17:55.20 | symos | yes, and hopefully one day, soft kb with the ability to switch between languages |
| 17:55.31 | Rick_work | that would be cool. |
| 17:55.36 | Rick_work | When he gets back, talk to eric. |
| 17:55.40 | Rick_work | egaudet on irc |
| 17:55.44 | Rick_work | emoney on the forums |
| 17:56.11 | symos | I will..I'm not in a real hurry, GSM version isn't even out for another couple of months, hehe |
| 17:56.16 | symos | just really excited |
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| 17:58.48 | symos | I tried changing "e" to "U+03B5" and when I click on "e" on the keyboard, the output is U+03B5 ! |
| 18:02.30 | symos | and "ε" just outputs ε. Damn |
| 18:05.54 | symos | I'll try editing the json in Komodo using "UTF-8" as the encoding and see what happens..Anyone knows how to transfer files from/to the emulator in Windows? |
| 18:09.20 | zomg | symos: I think you should be able to use sftp |
| 18:09.37 | zomg | just connect to it like you'd connect to it via ssh |
| 18:10.00 | symos | i'll try that, thanks! |
| 18:12.21 | Rick_work | symos, winscp is the easiest |
| 18:12.42 | Rick_work | ε should have worked. :-( |
| 18:13.02 | Rick_work | re transfering. winscp is dead easy. look it up on the wiki |
| 18:13.50 | symos | ok, I will...unfortunately none of the 2 worked..My faith is in komodo, it's good in specifying encodings |
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| 18:29.09 | Splmonster | hey all |
| 18:29.16 | v3ritas | hey spl |
| 18:29.38 | Splmonster | So i'm trying Quick install tweaks 2.02 |
| 18:29.47 | Splmonster | Any issues with freezing? I'm seeing a few |
| 18:29.49 | v3ritas | It's out already? |
| 18:29.50 | Splmonster | posters |
| 18:29.53 | Splmonster | Yes |
| 18:30.00 | v3ritas | sweeeeeeet |
| 18:30.07 | Splmonster | added some nice stuff |
| 18:30.32 | v3ritas | logs into PreCentral to download it |
| 18:30.49 | Eguy | oooooo new one |
| 18:31.12 | oil | <<3 jason |
| 18:31.24 | Splmonster | Yeah i'm doing some testing, because some users are complaining of freezing with text forwarding and 4x4 icons on together, so far no freezing for me |
| 18:31.49 | v3ritas | I didn't think it would be out until nxt week |
| 18:32.09 | Splmonster | Well about 3 days ago Jason said a few days. So i figured this weekend |
| 18:32.48 | Splmonster | Overall everything is working good |
| 18:32.59 | psykoz | have to manually install the package, not on any of the feeds yet? |
| 18:33.01 | Splmonster | Is it possible to say I wanna marry my phone? haha |
| 18:33.13 | Splmonster | Yes quick install is a manual install |
| 18:34.18 | destinal | symos: but what's the point of having a keyboard labeled with greek characters when it still generates the same key codes? |
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| 18:34.40 | v3ritas | Hm, anyone have an issue updating / installing Music (Remix) with Preware? |
| 18:34.43 | Splmonster | The best way I update quick install... Delete just the quick install icon and download new one. |
| 18:34.48 | psykoz | where at on precentral is the tweaks forum post? |
| 18:34.53 | Splmonster | I did it last night, worked fine |
| 18:35.02 | v3ritas | osykoz: Homebrew > Quick Install |
| 18:35.36 | psykoz | okay thanks ;) |
| 18:35.44 | v3ritas | no problem |
| 18:35.52 | Splmonster | veritas you having music remix issues? I tried it last night and it installed fine for me |
| 18:36.47 | v3ritas | I had i believe ver 0.6.0, tried updating today to 0.6.2 in Preware & couldn't do it. Removed it & tried again, no luck. I finally just installed the ipk through QuickInstall |
| 18:37.08 | symos | +destinal: I'm not trying to change the labels (that's as easy as changing the graphics, I'll do it later). I'm trying to change the characters the keyboars generates |
| 18:37.13 | Splmonster | Right now 6.1 is on Preware and yes i'm having issues installing it |
| 18:37.31 | destinal | symos: I don't think that's possible |
| 18:37.35 | Splmonster | I have the 5.2 which I installed last night, now 6.1 is having issues |
| 18:37.37 | v3ritas | The IPK worked fine, opens / etc on my pre |
| 18:37.54 | v3ritas | i suggest QuickInstall. The IPK is in the post |
| 18:37.59 | Splmonster | Okay let me try that |
| 18:38.11 | symos | +destinal: Why not? Each button on the keyboard can generate whichever character you want it to. |
| 18:38.36 | v3ritas | Splmonster: btw, i did remove it before using QuickInstall |
| 18:38.46 | destinal | symos: don't they generate palm-specific keycodes ? |
| 18:39.05 | destinal | ie whatever code you send has to be supported by the underlying infrastructure |
| 18:39.14 | Splmonster | hey veritas did you go through the feeds? Cause that one doesn't work either |
| 18:39.28 | v3ritas | Nope, downloaded the IPK from the post |
| 18:39.33 | Splmonster | okay let me try |
| 18:39.50 | v3ritas | lol, my store's website blows |
| 18:40.07 | symos | each keycode is mapped to a character. You can change the character it's mapped to. As for support, the OS supports unicode, so it should be fine with most languages |
| 18:40.07 | Splmonster | Your store? |
| 18:40.19 | v3ritas | Well, not //my// store, the one i work at |
| 18:40.39 | symos | As I said before, I've already synced my contacts which are in Greek, and they display fine |
| 18:41.14 | Splmonster | Okay installed ipk fine |
| 18:41.26 | destinal | symos: right, I thought that the character key passing was different |
| 18:41.32 | Splmonster | I think it's because the feed and Preware have 6.1 and that one was having issues |
| 18:41.52 | Splmonster | A similar issue was happening with Golfpinfinder |
| 18:41.59 | destinal | symos: I haven't done much research on it, will have to check it out |
| 18:42.03 | v3ritas | Just happy we could get it working |
| 18:42.29 | Splmonster | Yeah for sure, it's much more refined then the Palm music player |
| 18:42.33 | symos | +destinal: me neither, I'm just experimenting now! But I'm really hoping it'll work |
| 18:42.58 | Splmonster | I hope they work on the vitrual key, and make them taller or easier to hit |
| 18:43.29 | v3ritas | Yeah. Right now i just really use it for a quick reply here & there |
| 18:44.31 | v3ritas | Anyone setup a server for Ampache yet? |
| 18:44.41 | oil | did once long ago |
| 18:44.43 | Splmonster | Yeah me too, cause i'm a big fan of how the physical key is |
| 18:44.46 | oil | even submitted some code |
| 18:44.56 | Splmonster | hey oil... |
| 18:45.09 | v3ritas | I'm just looking to setup something simple in Jaunty so i can stream all my music while i'm at work |
| 18:45.10 | oil | hey |
| 18:45.27 | Splmonster | So any plans for new programs? |
| 18:45.32 | oil | all sorts |
| 18:45.44 | Splmonster | Nice... Glad to hear, you gonna do anything to XBL friends? |
| 18:45.55 | oil | eventually |
| 18:46.06 | Splmonster | I love it, not much more it can have |
| 18:46.20 | Splmonster | Except maybe showing achievements but thats not a big deal |
| 18:46.27 | oil | and its not possible |
| 18:46.31 | Splmonster | Really? |
| 18:46.38 | oil | there is no feed for achievements |
| 18:46.52 | Splmonster | Oh gotcha, what about being able to sign in as your on XBL? |
| 18:47.09 | oil | maybe you should read the entire xbl friends thread before asking these questions |
| 18:47.26 | Splmonster | I have... It was the first program I had |
| 18:47.35 | Splmonster | Been a fan ever since |
| 18:47.44 | oil | well i know ive answered both those questions multiple times |
| 18:47.59 | Splmonster | Oh I have only read the first post by you. sorry man |
| 18:48.26 | Splmonster | Hey i was wondering is it possible to have a full streaming netflix app? |
| 18:48.26 | oil | im pretty sure they're even in the faq in the first post they've been asked and answered so much |
| 18:48.38 | oil | i dont know anything about netfix |
| 18:48.59 | Splmonster | Oh gotcha... Yeah Dellydel has created a slick netflix app, but would be cool to stream |
| 18:49.18 | oil | it downloads? |
| 18:49.29 | v3ritas | Not sure if it would be possible. The Netflix site requires certain OS / browser / & i believe it needs to install something |
| 18:49.29 | Splmonster | No but shows almost everything but that |
| 18:49.36 | v3ritas | I can't stream movies on Jaunty |
| 18:49.52 | Splmonster | I really want a directv app for my DVR |
| 18:50.41 | Splmonster | So a buddy of mine within the Verizon Corporate showed that they are getting Pre and EOS webos devices early nxt year |
| 18:50.53 | Splmonster | It's already in the inventory list |
| 18:51.35 | Splmonster | I guess thats cool for them, im still a bigger fan of Sprints faster 3G and cheaper data plans |
| 18:51.54 | v3ritas | I've had much better service with Sprint over Verizon & AT&T |
| 18:52.05 | Splmonster | Yeah me too |
| 18:52.16 | Splmonster | Sprints 3G is effin quick |
| 18:53.35 | Splmonster | Not to mention 100 for unlim everything is a damn good deal |
| 18:54.03 | v3ritas | I have simply everything with 450min. I only really use my phone at night & on weekends so i barely touch my minutes |
| 18:54.24 | Splmonster | Yeah I have my own business and this is my only phone, no point to have a landline |
| 18:55.37 | v3ritas | omg yes =D No more annoying key press tones in the phone app |
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| 18:55.44 | Splmonster | Yeah it's nice, the vib is cool |
| 18:55.59 | v3ritas | much better |
| 18:56.06 | Splmonster | Indeed |
| 18:56.39 | Splmonster | So whens the exact day for Palm releasing the App catalog out of beta? |
| 18:57.53 | bpadalino | it'll happen when it happens, right ? |
| 18:57.55 | Splmonster | I really want Palm to get this thing out, the stock for them is dropping |
| 18:57.57 | psykoz | well, since they're talking about a beta "ecommerce" catalog |
| 18:58.13 | psykoz | I'm guessing they intend on keeping it beta for another bit of time |
| 18:58.28 | psykoz | unless they're going to have 2 app catalogs which sounds dumb |
| 18:58.53 | Splmonster | I keep hearing Sep, but i dunno if thats 100% true |
| 18:59.17 | Splmonster | Hey is there anyway to change the % color for the battery icon? |
| 18:59.22 | bpadalino | palm is still on a petty good run .. 52wk high is 16.80, they're sitting at 13.49 .. and YTD is up 339% ... i think their stock is going OK so far |
| 18:59.34 | v3ritas | Splmonster: Yeah, somewhere in that thread someone got it working |
| 18:59.44 | Splmonster | In quick install? |
| 18:59.52 | v3ritas | In the thread for the actual % patch |
| 19:00.04 | Splmonster | Okay |
| 19:00.56 | Splmonster | Cause the blue seems off ya know? |
| 19:02.00 | v3ritas | It does blue now? I have the actual patch installed (which i was thinking of removing because of the one in QuickInstall) & it does like red/orange/yellow/green |
| 19:02.41 | Splmonster | Yeah the quick install one is blue |
| 19:02.54 | psykoz | anyway palm's app store isn't affecting their stock |
| 19:03.00 | v3ritas | ooo. maybe i'll stick with the patch |
| 19:03.26 | psykoz | their stock is being run up by speculative interest that's doing the same to the whole market, we're going to see a huge pullback in the market probably before the end of the year, if not within the next month or two |
| 19:03.28 | Splmonster | No but more ppl would buy into the Pre with a full app catalog, and therefor would help stock |
| 19:04.37 | Splmonster | Here is one issue I found with the messaging now, there are bigger spaces between txt's. Plus the photos do not line up, weird |
| 19:05.12 | psykoz | not really, about the time they "unbeta" app catalog, there's no amount of consumer confidence in Palm's success that will keep its stock up high when the rest of the market starts plunging again here towards the end of the year ;) |
| 19:05.32 | Splmonster | So okay all these tweaks and patches, these are hidden features within WebOS or these are adds? |
| 19:06.58 | Splmonster | My take is the Pre is Unique and has a big future with it's depth and all. To me the Iphone is another Razr trend |
| 19:07.56 | Splmonster | I would say Android and WebOS are the future of the smartphone market, maybe even Winmo if they can make it run more effeciently |
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| 19:10.02 | bpadalino | interesting opinions |
| 19:10.18 | Splmonster | Don't tell me you think iphone has something? |
| 19:10.36 | Splmonster | That thing is terrible as a phone.. It's an Ipod touch with phone controls |
| 19:10.39 | bpadalino | without the iphone, the pre would have never come into existence |
| 19:10.59 | Splmonster | Maybe so... But Iphone did not start the touchscreen market |
| 19:11.18 | Splmonster | Plus linux was always there, and Palm was gonna revamp with something |
| 19:11.28 | Splmonster | Treo's just werent doing it anymore |
| 19:11.31 | bpadalino | apple didn't star the mp3 player market either... they just had a better execution |
| 19:11.40 | destinal | Splmonster: don't discount maemo, either |
| 19:11.58 | Splmonster | Really? I think Itunes sucks badly... |
| 19:12.03 | psykoz | I'm not even arguing palm's future or not, I'm merely pointing out there was an unprecedented amount of growth in all of the stock market from march 9th -> now and it's irrelevant of Palm's launch date that its stock is doing exceptionally well |
| 19:12.09 | Splmonster | I much prefer Zune and Creative to ipod |
| 19:12.16 | psykoz | Launch day is far more important to Palm than its App store |
| 19:12.26 | psykoz | So expect app store out of beta to hardly generate any hype for them |
| 19:12.54 | bpadalino | i like my ipod touch .. i think the iphone has the best touchscreen keyboard i've ever used .. |
| 19:13.08 | bpadalino | i think the development tools for the iphone are great |
| 19:13.17 | Splmonster | I can't stand it, never keeps up with how fast I type. I prefer the Hero's to the iphone |
| 19:13.18 | psykoz | The last time the stock market grew 50% (like it has done since march 29th) was 6 months before the great depression |
| 19:14.09 | bpadalino | hrm .. |
| 19:14.17 | Splmonster | Plus I only use on screen key when typing quick messages, a physical keyboard is much better for email and sending longer messages |
| 19:14.31 | bpadalino | it's really grown 50%? i dunno if i can see that .. didn't the DOW bottom out at 7k, and it's at 9k now ? |
| 19:14.40 | Splmonster | The iphone as a phone is garbage and att sucks |
| 19:15.11 | psykoz | bpadalino, dow bottomed at 6400 |
| 19:15.17 | psykoz | and it's at 9.5k |
| 19:15.20 | bpadalino | ah indeed it did |
| 19:15.22 | bpadalino | look at that |
| 19:15.41 | psykoz | this is something we haven't seen happen in this short of time since prior to the great depression |
| 19:15.43 | bpadalino | the market will be interesting to watch in the upcoming month |
| 19:15.43 | bpadalino | s |
| 19:15.50 | Splmonster | Both the Hero and Pre are better then the Iphone |
| 19:15.52 | bpadalino | very uncertain |
| 19:15.57 | psykoz | some industry economists think the tarp funds are being used to bid up all stocks |
| 19:16.26 | bpadalino | sometimes i get disappointed by the amount of iphone hatred that happens in this channel |
| 19:16.37 | psykoz | Yeah the iphone is a good phone |
| 19:16.41 | psykoz | I don't know why anyone would say it's not a good phone |
| 19:16.51 | oil | in my mind |
| 19:16.55 | oil | the one thing it really has on the pre |
| 19:16.57 | oil | is apps |
| 19:16.58 | Splmonster | Yeah a phone with a terrible speaker both inside and out, and poor service. uh huh its great |
| 19:17.07 | Splmonster | Yeah apps is it |
| 19:17.12 | oil | and a native sdk |
| 19:17.18 | bpadalino | the iphone is available all over the world - all those services can't be terrible |
| 19:17.21 | oil | but i dont think its a bad phone |
| 19:17.28 | oil | i just think its #2 |
| 19:17.28 | oil | xD |
| 19:17.38 | Splmonster | I think it's better as a multimedia device not a phone |
| 19:17.46 | oil | but im pretty partial, having never owned an iphone, and loving my pre |
| 19:18.12 | Splmonster | I owned the Iphone for a yr, and couldn't stand the lack of multi-tasking, poor speaker quality and att's crappy service |
| 19:18.20 | Splmonster | Not to mention no mms |
| 19:18.27 | bpadalino | i think the pre is the most open and most interesting phone to work on right now .. |
| 19:18.44 | Splmonster | It is indeed, the Pre is open and that's what I love |
| 19:18.48 | bpadalino | i think it bests android in the fact that it resembles a linux system |
| 19:18.54 | oil | lol |
| 19:19.03 | bpadalino | and not just a linux kernel |
| 19:19.06 | Splmonster | I would say Android and WebOS are the best |
| 19:19.25 | Splmonster | Anyone play with the Hero? |
| 19:20.55 | destinal | bpadalino: unfortunately android beats webos in the fact that all the code is available, but fortunately for being closed source there's a lot of customization possible, at least |
| 19:21.52 | destinal | Splmonster: I'd say the pre isn't really open, though it's not locked down at least |
| 19:21.54 | bpadalino | destinal, agreed |
| 19:22.05 | Splmonster | Whats not open about it? |
| 19:22.12 | bpadalino | bluetooth stack is proprietary |
| 19:22.17 | destinal | Splmonster: lots of black box closed source proprietary pieces |
| 19:22.18 | psykoz | well, android is only open with what google releases as open |
| 19:22.19 | bpadalino | luna is proprietary |
| 19:22.36 | psykoz | if HTC or others make modifications to it, they don't have to release their modifications or allow you into the phone |
| 19:23.04 | destinal | psykoz: it's an entire phone stack that's open, unlike webos |
| 19:23.06 | Splmonster | I think HTC's sense UI is cool but the lack of processing power kills the hero in lag with it |
| 19:23.13 | psykoz | destinal, nod |
| 19:23.52 | Splmonster | Hey so CPU scaling, does it really save battery on the Pre? |
| 19:24.06 | destinal | fortunately the hardware itself isn't locked down and it's a standard linux userland for the most part, so that's nice |
| 19:24.17 | destinal | no reason you couldn't run android on a pre if you want |
| 19:24.35 | psykoz | splmonster, when I played around with it in its early stages it did save battery while idle |
| 19:24.43 | psykoz | but it also while idle failed to deliver notifications and would eventually lockup |
| 19:24.51 | psykoz | your mileage may vary |
| 19:24.58 | Splmonster | Yeah thats not good |
| 19:26.31 | psykoz | on that subject too, I mean if you're an idler with your pre you'll like a cpu scaling model (if it works stable), but if you use your pre a lot the cpu scaling will probably save you hardly anything |
| 19:29.00 | bpadalino | idler = keeping the screen on while you do nothing ... otherwise, when the screen goes off, you go into a power saving mode |
| 19:30.09 | destinal | bpadalino: well, light use too, if you're drawing something on the screen but not processing much I imagine it would save too, but how many minutes do you really do that? |
| 19:30.19 | bpadalino | right |
| 19:30.41 | destinal | reading an ebook might be a good example actually |
| 19:30.55 | destinal | really lightweight work, but still not sleep |
| 19:31.02 | bpadalino | i think the palm guys were saying the response time of the cpu scaling was just too slow to respond appropriately and provide a good user experience |
| 19:33.23 | destinal | I'm glad that people are making keyboard themes but some make my eyes bleed :) |
| 19:34.00 | bpadalino | heh |
| 19:34.08 | psykoz | destinal, I liked your idea to just make a plugin for keyboard that interfaces with egaudet's and sends actual keyboard buffer stuff |
| 19:36.10 | destinal | psykoz: yeah, it could be cool. but it would require creating a hidd plugin (to appear as a "keyboard" to the OS) and then there is the question of focus (since key events only come to the app in focus, with mojo we can hook stuff but then there are security issues potentially) so yeah, it's a good thing for us to work on but not necessarily a slam dunk |
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| 19:40.21 | destinal | I'm working on hidd plugins anyway so that part should hopefully happen soon |
| 19:40.43 | symos | Rick_work: Result! Edited the file in Komodo, setting encoding to UTF-8 and just typing in the character and it works! |
| 19:40.45 | destinal | I want to make external peripherals and network connected multitouch pads work |
| 19:41.16 | destinal | symos: so you've got a foreign language modified software keyboard? nice. |
| 19:41.24 | destinal | err OSK |
| 19:41.53 | symos | +destinal: Yes! Well, only one character for now, but it proves the concept. I can now change all the characters and make new graphic labels. |
| 19:42.21 | symos | And then hope that a good developer will add a language switch feature which would be cool |
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| 19:44.19 | jtemple | alsdkjfa |
| 19:44.23 | destinal | so I was brainstorming on input devices I'd like to add via hidd. The simplest ones would be fake proximity sensors and ambient light sensors etc for use with the emulator. |
| 19:44.48 | psykoz | that'd be neat |
| 19:45.14 | destinal | then of course USB keyboards once we get the OTG chipset working, and BT keyboards, and a multitouch pad for use in the emulator and external accelerometers for use in emulator (actually a wiimote would be really slick for that) |
| 19:45.43 | destinal | and that brought me to thinking about using the wiimote as a game input device all its own |
| 19:47.07 | destinal | duck hunt anyone? :) |
| 19:47.18 | destinal | a lot of work to do to get there though alas |
| 19:48.45 | jtemple | duck hunt would be awesome. |
| 19:49.20 | psykoz | grins |
| 19:49.39 | psykoz | < destinal> in 0.3.5 we're releasing today you can now use your wii motion plus as well! |
| 19:50.10 | destinal | hehe |
| 19:50.45 | jtemple | this is a stupid question, whats the password for root? is there one? |
| 19:51.10 | destinal | jtemple: no password by default |
| 19:51.12 | psykoz | nope |
| 19:51.36 | jtemple | hmm. well, is there a way to log in to root through putty via ssh? |
| 19:51.59 | psykoz | login to the user you created |
| 19:52.01 | psykoz | then su |
| 19:52.13 | destinal | jtemple: the way a lot of us use is to set up an ssh key and copy the public key to the pre |
| 19:52.50 | destinal | jtemple: dropbear's startup script can be modified to allow root login with password but a lot of folks here seem to be worried that that's too insecure |
| 19:52.51 | psykoz | apparently I'm the nutjob who su's ;) |
| 19:53.02 | destinal | psykoz: I just ssh in as root |
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| 19:53.21 | destinal | I think most people sudo (I think that's silly) :) |
| 19:53.29 | psykoz | hates sudo ;) |
| 19:53.53 | destinal | sudo is good for your desktop or server, not a phone |
| 19:54.09 | jtemple | i just don't currently have my cable but i wanted to run a patch so i was trying to log in real quick |
| 19:54.43 | destinal | jtemple: well if you ran the bootstrap script earlier then you're already in sudo as your regular user |
| 19:54.59 | destinal | so you can just sudo su - to get a root shell |
| 19:56.07 | jtemple | i believe i already have run the bootstrap script. but when i attempted to do a rw mount it said i didn't have access (are you in root) type deal |
| 19:58.04 | jtemple | anyways I used sudo su - with success |
| 19:58.18 | jtemple | is there anything wrong with sudo? it seems to be the easiest way... |
| 19:58.18 | destinal | yeah then you can run the rw mount command |
| 19:58.33 | destinal | or sudo mount -o remount,rw / |
| 19:58.41 | destinal | instead of sudo su - |
| 19:59.40 | destinal | jtemple: sudo is fine and it works for most folks, I just prefer to login as root. |
| 19:59.56 | destinal | if it meets your needs, by all means, use it :) |
| 20:00.22 | jtemple | yeah... i just ran the landscape messaging patch. |
| 20:00.35 | jtemple | it works when in list view, but for conversations it does not. |
| 20:00.50 | jtemple | i assume its because i also have the 'open new cards for each messaging convo'... |
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| 20:11.02 | destinal | yeah, I think that eventually full-replacement apps will come out |
| 20:11.44 | destinal | things get hard to manage with too many patches to the same application |
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| 20:43.30 | DdAaDd | Hi, I just add an application to Komodo.. |
| 20:43.39 | DdAaDd | Why can I see it in my emulator? |
| 20:43.42 | DdAaDd | what should I Do? |
| 20:43.55 | DdAaDd | I pressed the button to launce it... |
| 20:48.37 | jtemple | i've got a problem. for the past 2 weeks, everytime i reboot my phone... it is extremely laggy. |
| 20:49.06 | jtemple | when i run the top command in root, it says im using around 80% of the cpu, with out any cards open.. |
| 20:51.43 | psykoz | jtemple, what apps are at the top and using what cpu %? |
| 20:53.13 | jtemple | upload, dbus daemon, and upstart |
| 20:53.29 | jtemple | 11%, 8%, 4% respectively |
| 20:53.36 | jtemple | varying a few % |
| 20:54.44 | jtemple | messing around with stuff i've killed 'upload' and it instantly goes down in cpu and just as fast as normal... and i see it reappear so it must have relaunched but that is probably bad for several reasons |
| 20:55.12 | jtemple | 'upstart'** |
| 20:56.38 | jtemple | the top 3 are actually now : dbus-daemon; upstart; pmsyslogd |
| 20:56.48 | DdAaDd | what should I Do? |
| 20:56.54 | jtemple | no greater that 12% |
| 20:56.59 | DdAaDd | ? |
| 20:58.42 | DdAaDd | All I'm getting with te Komodo in the emulator is the my Application Icon : This text veridies.... |
| 20:58.49 | DdAaDd | What to do? |
| 21:01.59 | DdAaDd | changed the index.html |
| 21:02.08 | DdAaDd | did the all necesary changes.. |
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| 21:23.04 | DdAaDd | anybody here? |
| 21:23.54 | oil | no |
| 21:26.03 | jtemple | ha |
| 21:26.03 | rwhitby | morning |
| 21:27.11 | jtemple | can anyone tell me if there is a way i can find out what all the programs/ commands are in top |
| 21:27.22 | jtemple | or rather, what they do... |
| 21:27.24 | oil | step 1: look at the name |
| 21:27.29 | oil | step 2: google said name |
| 21:27.35 | oil | step 3: read what google says |
| 21:27.40 | DdAaDd | Hi |
| 21:28.34 | DdAaDd | Where's palm-group-title css is written, |
| 21:28.36 | DdAaDd | ? |
| 21:28.48 | oil | probably in one of the css files |
| 21:29.00 | DdAaDd | Cause all the pages of the application got it, so I want to edit it in one file for all.. |
| 21:29.16 | DdAaDd | not in all css files of all pages.. |
| 21:30.00 | oil | global-lists.css |
| 21:30.10 | oil | wherever the framework is on the pre (that i dont know) |
| 21:30.35 | DdAaDd | the framework of the specific program? |
| 21:30.41 | DdAaDd | or for all programs? |
| 21:30.58 | jtemple | hmm. its because on reboot my phone lags terribly and shows im using 90% of my cpu. in top all the processes add up to about 35 or 40... which still seems kind of high |
| 21:31.20 | jtemple | for not having any cards open |
| 21:31.30 | DdAaDd | ..? |
| 21:31.38 | oil | DdAaDd: the framework is what all the programs use |
| 21:31.43 | oil | its not a program |
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| 21:32.58 | DdAaDd | Is I got it |
| 21:33.12 | DdAaDd | I didnt explain me well |
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| 21:34.29 | DdAaDd | Yes |
| 21:34.31 | DdAaDd | not is |
| 21:34.34 | DdAaDd | sorry |
| 21:34.36 | DdAaDd | :( |
| 21:35.31 | jtemple | does anyone have an idea what would cause my phones cpu to be so high? |
| 21:39.07 | rwhitby | jtemple: it's linux - just use normal linux monitoring tools to diagnose the problem |
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| 21:41.09 | bpadalino | i think it's artificially high due to the deep sleep that it goes into ... |
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| 21:43.17 | jtemple | :bpadalino: it lasts for 6-8 hours and my phone is so laggy its unusable. |
| 21:43.32 | bpadalino | sounds like a problem |
| 21:45.39 | jtemple | as far as 'linux monitoring tools' you mean which processes are running the higheste % ? |
| 21:46.26 | bpadalino | top |
| 21:47.18 | jtemple | right. but... is it cool to just go through and start killing processes? |
| 21:47.35 | bpadalino | it's considered cool and badass .. chicks totally dig i |
| 21:47.35 | bpadalino | t |
| 21:48.30 | oil | lolol |
| 21:49.01 | jtemple | ha... i've done that before. i kill 'upstart' and it instantly makes my phone back to normal... but causes my vibrate and ringer notifications to not sound off. |
| 21:49.24 | jtemple | plus, i have to do that everytime i reboot... :/ |
| 21:58.11 | rwhitby | heh - now even the PimpMyPre PreLoad thread on PreCentral has been overrun by Preware posts :-) |
| 21:59.30 | oil | maybe i should make a preware thread in the homebrew section |
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| 22:09.13 | Eguy | what is preware? |
| 22:11.50 | oil | read the thread and find out |
| 22:11.55 | oil | lol |
| 22:16.21 | Eguy | what is a thread? |
| 22:17.13 | gkatsev | what is Eguy? |
| 22:19.09 | rwhitby | ~eguy |
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| 22:27.46 | Eguy | lol |
| 22:27.52 | Eguy | infobot is anti eguy |
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| 23:08.45 | Abyssul | Could someone help me implement http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/199638-how-set-up-google-gps-tracking-your-palm-pre.html |
| 23:09.11 | Abyssul | I've done all the steps and cannot get the webpage to locate me. |
| 23:21.44 | PuffTheMagic | Abyssul: we are not precentrals live help channel fyi |
| 23:22.07 | Eguy | ouch |
| 23:22.31 | PuffTheMagic | well we get so much stuff here from precentral its rediculous |
| 23:23.15 | PuffTheMagic | this channel was for "devel" talk and expanding the knowledge of its "internals" and now its just for help it seems |
| 23:23.26 | Eguy | yup |
| 23:23.45 | Eguy | n00bs join #webos-n00bs |
| 23:24.01 | PuffTheMagic | Eguy: i joined #webos-internalls-support |
| 23:24.09 | PuffTheMagic | in hopes we would move this stuff there |
| 23:24.16 | PuffTheMagic | and leave this channel for productive stuff |
| 23:24.21 | Eguy | hah |
| 23:24.41 | Eguy | I made the watercooler in hopes off topic stuff like this would go in there but that didn't happen :( |
| 23:24.47 | Eguy | well, sometimes it does |
| 23:25.18 | PuffTheMagic | i dont care about regulars getting off topic now and again |
| 23:25.22 | Abyssul | Well there are over 100 people in here and barely any talk goes on. I was just asking for a little help |
| 23:25.37 | Abyssul | If it's not appropriate then ok, I wont talk about it |
| 23:25.56 | PuffTheMagic | Abyssul: no its appropriate, i just dont like seeing posts from precentral |
| 23:26.07 | PuffTheMagic | its nothing against you in particular |
| 23:26.25 | Abyssul | I was just posting what the process was |
| 23:26.25 | PuffTheMagic | precentral big enough and has paid staff i think, they should have a live help |
| 23:26.36 | oil | lolololol |
| 23:26.54 | PuffTheMagic | oil: glad you think this is funny :D |
| 23:27.09 | Eguy | hahahahah |
| 23:27.26 | Eguy | is amused |
| 23:27.41 | Abyssul | Would anyone mind helping? |
| 23:27.49 | Eguy | fyi PuffTheMagic: Precentral's staff is not piad as far as I know |
| 23:27.53 | Eguy | paid* |
| 23:27.57 | Eguy | just Mr. Bohn |
| 23:28.02 | PuffTheMagic | i thought they had commercial backing |
| 23:28.15 | oil | came here after seeing a post on precentral by rick asking about help developing preware |
| 23:28.19 | Eguy | the mods aren't |
| 23:28.56 | Eguy | I don't know, maybe the writers are |
| 23:29.14 | PuffTheMagic | Eguy: idk... seems like they have some $$ behind the site |
| 23:29.17 | Eguy | There should be a precentral irc channel for sure |
| 23:29.31 | oil | and they do have live help |
| 23:29.32 | Eguy | Well Smartphone Experts owns all the communites |
| 23:29.35 | oil | its the forums |
| 23:29.45 | PuffTheMagic | oil: thats not live help |
| 23:29.51 | PuffTheMagic | thats like uber-email |
| 23:29.51 | Eguy | and Mr. Bohn works for them |
| 23:29.57 | PuffTheMagic | its like a mailing list on crack |
| 23:30.02 | oil | lol |
| 23:30.06 | Eguy | lol |
| 23:30.44 | rwhitby | thinks we should all just work together for the betterment of the Pre ... ;-) |
| 23:30.50 | Eguy | SPE is kinda like weblogs |
| 23:30.58 | Eguy | engadget, autoblog etc... |
| 23:31.07 | PuffTheMagic | Abyssul: sorry im not watching that video to figure out what you did |
| 23:31.09 | Eguy | treocentral, crackberry, precentral |
| 23:31.13 | Eguy | etc |
| 23:31.47 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: you cant better the pre, the hw will never change |
| 23:31.55 | Eguy | ouch |
| 23:31.57 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: we can improve the software |
| 23:32.05 | rwhitby | nod |
| 23:32.11 | Eguy | It has but not spec wise |
| 23:32.25 | Eguy | hardware tweaks |
| 23:32.39 | Eguy | There will always be oreo |
| 23:32.40 | rwhitby | when the second WebOS device comes out that is not called the Pre, I'll be motivated to change my language usage ;-) |
| 23:33.07 | Eguy | should be next year according to VZW |
| 23:33.26 | Abyssul | The video just shows what it does, but thats not the procedure. You have to scroll down |
| 23:36.48 | PuffTheMagic | Eguy: that smaller than the pre device? |
| 23:36.58 | PuffTheMagic | that is gonna be a shitty platform imo |
| 23:37.08 | Eguy | the EOS? |
| 23:37.18 | PuffTheMagic | pixie? |
| 23:37.26 | Eguy | yeah |
| 23:37.28 | Eguy | same thing |
| 23:37.31 | PuffTheMagic | yeah |
| 23:37.35 | PuffTheMagic | i dont have much faith in it |
| 23:37.41 | Eguy | I like it better than the Pre tbh |
| 23:37.43 | PuffTheMagic | if its gonna be smaller than the pre |
| 23:37.45 | Eguy | I hate the slider |
| 23:37.48 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 23:38.00 | PuffTheMagic | but that phone is gonna be useless as a smart phone |
| 23:38.03 | PuffTheMagic | smaller screen |
| 23:38.05 | Eguy | Just another thing to break over time |
| 23:38.07 | Eguy | and it has |
| 23:38.25 | Eguy | I did fine with my Centro for 2 years :) |
| 23:38.37 | PuffTheMagic | Eguy: this is my first slider |
| 23:38.42 | Templarian | I don't understand how a lot of these apps will work on the EOS... worst idea ever imo for them to make a smaller resolution. |
| 23:38.47 | Eguy | photo viewing on the Pre is a dream though I must admit hehe :D |
| 23:38.55 | PuffTheMagic | Templarian: ++ |
| 23:38.58 | Eguy | They load SO slow though |
| 23:39.02 | PuffTheMagic | Eguy: if palm made a BB sized device i think that would be good |
| 23:39.07 | PuffTheMagic | Eguy: mine is fast |
| 23:39.09 | Eguy | nods |
| 23:39.22 | PuffTheMagic | but i dont have an issue with the slider |
| 23:39.27 | Eguy | loading the photo app takes 5-6 seconds |
| 23:39.34 | PuffTheMagic | i know it oreo's a little |
| 23:39.39 | Eguy | loading a picture takes 4 seconds |
| 23:39.42 | Templarian | Eguy: but after that it's really smooth. |
| 23:39.44 | Eguy | before it isn't blurry |
| 23:39.53 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_away: turn on the ondemand governor |
| 23:39.55 | Templarian | (I have like 60 photos, you probably have way more) |
| 23:40.02 | Eguy | hehe yes |
| 23:40.03 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_away: it flies at 600mhz |
| 23:40.08 | PuffTheMagic | then goes down to 125 |
| 23:40.09 | PuffTheMagic | when its idle |
| 23:40.11 | Eguy | I have over 1000 there |
| 23:40.16 | PuffTheMagic | what? |
| 23:40.18 | rwhitby | eos doesn't have wifi, right? only useful for those on an unlimited data plan with good coverage everywhere they go. |
| 23:40.30 | Eguy | no wifi |
| 23:40.32 | Templarian | I don't use wifi. |
| 23:40.33 | Eguy | 4gb fixed |
| 23:40.48 | Eguy | what in god's name is wrong with Palm and their storage department |
| 23:41.05 | Eguy | flash memory is pennys...give us more dammit! |
| 23:41.27 | rwhitby | Eguy: it's the marketing and finance department, who require a built-in mid-life kicker product. |
| 23:41.42 | bpadalino | when making 1M devices, if it cost 1c, you just spent $1M |
| 23:41.57 | bpadalino | whoops |
| 23:41.59 | Templarian | lol |
| 23:42.01 | bpadalino | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.02 | bpadalino | :) |
| 23:42.07 | Eguy | Yeah but they charge $$$ |
| 23:42.20 | Eguy | They make an NICE profit |
| 23:42.27 | Eguy | unlike Bugatti with the Veyron |
| 23:42.33 | Eguy | err I should say VW |
| 23:42.50 | Eguy | which costs 5 million to build |
| 23:42.50 | Templarian | I'm actually fine with 8gb, with pandora and 5gb data theres storing all my music isn't worth it since I never access it. |
| 23:43.10 | Eguy | I have 1.6 free I think which is ok |
| 23:43.37 | Eguy | ~/var should of been 1gig though |
| 23:43.46 | PuffTheMagic | honestly, i dont care about storage, i have to delete about 200gig of music a month, to make room for the new music, cause i run a top site ftp dump server, i only put 20 albums on my ipod at a time anyway cause if i put all my shit on it it takes forever to find things |
| 23:43.51 | Templarian | Eguy: agreed. |
| 23:44.22 | Eguy | the low /var space is bad news for app lovers |
| 23:44.33 | bpadalino | it might have been a supply chain issue - where they may not have been able to guarantee delivery of 16GB flash chips |
| 23:44.44 | Eguy | bleh |
| 23:44.50 | Templarian | Eguy: how hard is that to change with a slider? (i'm not much of a linux savy person). |
| 23:44.50 | PuffTheMagic | Eguy: just resize it |
| 23:44.54 | PuffTheMagic | its simple as pie |
| 23:45.05 | Eguy | The kids in China can churn out new chips |
| 23:45.11 | Eguy | oops |
| 23:45.18 | Eguy | was it not ok for me to say that? |
| 23:45.21 | PuffTheMagic | Templarian: ? |
| 23:45.29 | bpadalino | i think singapore or malaysia is where the flash chips get made .. |
| 23:45.53 | Eguy | Depends on the brand |
| 23:45.56 | Eguy | and quality |
| 23:45.58 | Templarian | PuffTheMagic: like add a slider with current storage and allow users to increase it in Preware for instance would be kind of nice. |
| 23:46.08 | Eguy | oh |
| 23:46.14 | Eguy | an on device partitioner? |
| 23:46.20 | Eguy | hmmm |
| 23:46.24 | PuffTheMagic | Templarian: i could probably work on a resizer service |
| 23:46.27 | PuffTheMagic | shouldnt be too hard |
| 23:46.31 | Eguy | yes |
| 23:46.34 | Eguy | great idea |
| 23:46.56 | PuffTheMagic | but i would kinda like to figure out how to build services for armv7 in C first |
| 23:47.02 | PuffTheMagic | i can build them for i686 no prob |
| 23:47.03 | Eguy | Norton Partition Magic for Pre 0.5.1 |
| 23:47.10 | PuffTheMagic | fuck norton |
| 23:47.13 | PuffTheMagic | this is linux |
| 23:47.16 | Eguy | lol |
| 23:47.17 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: just look how the autobuilder does it ;-) |
| 23:47.18 | oil | lolol |
| 23:47.19 | PuffTheMagic | we dont need norton |
| 23:47.28 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: you dont build any C services |
| 23:47.30 | PuffTheMagic | just the plugin |
| 23:47.32 | Eguy | Acronis Disk Director Pre 0.6.1 |
| 23:47.37 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: they arent the same |
| 23:47.58 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: interesting. what's different about the compilation of them? |
| 23:48.10 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: shit loads more share libs to link against |
| 23:48.41 | PuffTheMagic | and the plugin is c++ |
| 23:48.46 | PuffTheMagic | the service is c |
| 23:48.54 | PuffTheMagic | seems like its not as flexable |
| 23:49.00 | rwhitby | ah, I'd personally move to the optware build system then ... |
| 23:49.02 | Eguy | argh, got to work on this presentation |
| 23:49.35 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: you mean using opware as my dev useland for building the arm stuff |
| 23:49.38 | PuffTheMagic | that might have to happen |
| 23:49.47 | Eguy | holy god it is hot outside |
| 23:49.49 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: i was sorta thinking about building a pre userland from scratch |
| 23:49.54 | PuffTheMagic | and packaging it |
| 23:49.56 | PuffTheMagic | for devs |
| 23:50.04 | PuffTheMagic | as a standard base |
| 23:50.12 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: either that, or using the optware cross-compilation system of staging pre-built shared libraries to do it on the host |
| 23:50.48 | Eguy | argh my Pre is very clicky on the left side |
| 23:50.57 | Eguy | feels loose |
| 23:51.20 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: well that only solves the arm part, if i made a pre specific userland for dev work i would make a emu one also |
| 23:51.34 | PuffTheMagic | but optware might be a start |
| 23:51.36 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: optware works for both arm and emu |
| 23:52.08 | rwhitby | that's how we build the i686g25 feed for the emulator |
| 23:52.46 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: it could also be just my autotools, makefile sills suck |
| 23:53.18 | PuffTheMagic | but having a universal dev userland specific to the pre would be useful |
| 23:53.30 | PuffTheMagic | regardless or not if its built from optware or from scratch |
| 23:53.55 | rwhitby | sure, a virtualbox machine disk image for developers would be awesome |
| 23:53.56 | PuffTheMagic | that way configure scripts/makefiles can be more generic |
| 23:54.11 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: well the virtualbox image isnt enough |
| 23:54.15 | PuffTheMagic | its got no headers |
| 23:54.20 | PuffTheMagic | same with the pre |
| 23:54.22 | Eguy | does the line under preware change every day? |
| 23:54.22 | PuffTheMagic | no header |
| 23:54.30 | PuffTheMagic | Eguy: its random string |
| 23:54.33 | rwhitby | We have a winner! |
| 23:54.35 | PuffTheMagic | ever time u launch it |
| 23:54.37 | Eguy | hahaha |
| 23:54.41 | Eguy | I was wondering |
| 23:54.48 | PuffTheMagic | some of them suck |
| 23:54.52 | Eguy | Yeah |
| 23:54.53 | PuffTheMagic | some are good |
| 23:55.01 | PuffTheMagic | the most apps one is lame |
| 23:55.03 | Eguy | I like the Advanced Homebrew installer |
| 23:55.10 | PuffTheMagic | yeah that one is good |
| 23:55.25 | Eguy | nobody else has noticed that rwhitby? |
| 23:55.28 | rwhitby | phrase contributions are welcome |
| 23:55.32 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: about that comment i made about artifically incrasing the creation date in the feed |
| 23:56.01 | rwhitby | Eguy: no-one other than the other developers before you. or at least no-one else mentioned it here. |
| 23:56.02 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: example, i went into preware today, and just about all the webos-internals pacakges said they were created/new today |
| 23:56.11 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: but i aleady had some of them installed |
| 23:56.14 | PuffTheMagic | with their latest versions |
| 23:56.18 | Eguy | "The installer that doesn't suck" |
| 23:56.24 | Eguy | how's that? |
| 23:56.34 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: yeah, that's cause the metadata in the ipkg changed to include the new additions to the Source: json data |
| 23:56.34 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: so something with the autobuilder is increasing their last-modifed timestamp |
| 23:56.54 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: only when I manually rebuild packages to include the latest metadata. |
| 23:56.54 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: why does the last-modified timestamp keep changing? |
| 23:57.11 | rwhitby | it changes when I rebuild the packages to include the latest metadata additions. |
| 23:57.12 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: there needs to be a way to prevent that |
| 23:57.28 | PuffTheMagic | the relase date of the file should not be changing regardles of metadata changes |
| 23:57.34 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: it will stop when the last-updated is generated from the git tag. |
| 23:57.46 | rwhitby | at the moment it's just the ipkg file timestamp |
| 23:57.53 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: sound like there a bigger issue in the scripts |
| 23:58.15 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: no, it's just a temporary thing until git tag releases are incorporated into the flow. |
| 23:58.26 | PuffTheMagic | how is that gonna solve the issue? |
| 23:58.32 | oil | gets more popcorn |
| 23:58.36 | rwhitby | the git tag has a date |
| 23:58.41 | Eguy | pop pop pop |
| 23:59.10 | rwhitby | that date becomes the last updated field. problem solved. |
| 23:59.23 | rwhitby | just hasn't been done yet |
| 23:59.37 | rwhitby | it will be done before Preware 1.0.0 |