| 00:00.27 | funkatron | Badonk |
| 00:02.04 | ConfusedVorlon_ | hi folks - am back and fighting my stupid depot bug. I have a simple class which shows the error. Anyone got a moment to try this.testDb = new DepotClass() on a device? http://pastebin.com/d6b00d8bf |
| 00:02.45 | destinal | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Doctor_version_1.2.0-0830 |
| 00:04.50 | destinal | differences in this doctor jar |
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| 00:13.45 | destinal | appinfo.json now has: (for instance in the phone app) |
| 00:13.46 | destinal | "keywords": ["Dial"] |
| 00:28.54 | ConfusedVorlon_ | eeesssshhh: about 4 hrs of work to realise that I needed this.db.simpleGet( rather than this.db.get( |
| 00:39.17 | oil | destinal: i wonder what its for |
| 00:39.52 | oil | maybe for universal search? |
| 00:41.15 | destinal | yeah I was thinking something like that |
| 00:41.23 | freakout | hmmm, that's new. Preware 0.8.1 gives me an OnInfo Error on loading |
| 00:41.37 | oil | whats the error> |
| 00:41.39 | freakout | TypeError: Cannot call method |
| 00:41.39 | oil | ? |
| 00:41.46 | oil | huh |
| 00:41.48 | freakout | 'toLowerCase' of undefined |
| 00:42.02 | oil | PuffTheMagic: more bugs in your feed? |
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| 00:44.52 | PuffTheMagic | oil: more what? |
| 00:45.06 | oil | freakout was getting toLowerCase error |
| 00:45.08 | PuffTheMagic | there shouldnt be any error |
| 00:45.20 | oil | freakout: download the preware i just pushed |
| 00:45.56 | PuffTheMagic | all my feed entries have both TYpe and Category in Source |
| 00:46.08 | oil | huh |
| 00:46.08 | PuffTheMagic | look here http://preyourmind.org/services/feed/Packages |
| 00:46.11 | PuffTheMagic | if u dont beleive me |
| 00:46.33 | oil | not saying i dont believe you |
| 00:46.56 | PuffTheMagic | 0.8.0 is working for me |
| 00:47.01 | PuffTheMagic | i will have to try .1 |
| 00:47.34 | PuffTheMagic | ow wait |
| 00:47.40 | PuffTheMagic | there is no .1 |
| 00:47.42 | PuffTheMagic | for preware |
| 00:47.57 | PuffTheMagic | freakout: preware 0.8.1 isnt released |
| 00:48.14 | oil | not released |
| 00:48.19 | oil | its in the repository as .1 |
| 00:48.21 | PuffTheMagic | thats what i said |
| 00:48.26 | PuffTheMagic | isnt released |
| 00:48.54 | freakout | no |
| 00:48.59 | freakout | it isn't. |
| 00:49.04 | freakout | rwhitby asked me to alpha |
| 00:49.15 | rwhitby | oil: that's the alpha build-it-yourself version |
| 00:49.24 | oil | i know |
| 00:49.33 | PuffTheMagic | idk what the issue is then |
| 00:49.38 | rwhitby | freakout is alpha testing it, it's not a public release. |
| 00:49.46 | PuffTheMagic | cause i can visually see that my feed has type+category |
| 00:52.00 | oil | freakout: does it happen with what i just pushed? |
| 00:52.13 | PuffTheMagic | freakout: you got ipkgservice 0.8.2? |
| 00:52.25 | oil | .1? |
| 00:52.35 | freakout | ipkservice 0.8.1, plugging in 0.8.2 now |
| 00:52.42 | oil | oh |
| 00:52.44 | oil | yeah |
| 00:52.50 | PuffTheMagic | wtf is plugging? |
| 00:52.57 | freakout | lol |
| 00:53.00 | freakout | Installing now. |
| 00:53.02 | PuffTheMagic | oh |
| 00:53.17 | freakout | Forgive my crazy dialect. :P |
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| 00:54.47 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: fyi, java has a way to seralize an object to a file... so you can store the state of the installer, incase you need to restart it for an upgrade |
| 00:54.58 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: the installer should be able to pick up from where it left off |
| 00:55.45 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: are you referring to ipkgservice or preware ? |
| 00:55.55 | PuffTheMagic | well both really |
| 00:55.56 | *** join/#webos-internals BrianHH (n=bhartman@c-69-248-184-172.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 00:56.01 | PuffTheMagic | but the service more |
| 00:56.23 | PuffTheMagic | preware should be able to gracefully restart the service |
| 00:56.26 | freakout | yep, still getting the same error |
| 00:56.46 | oil | huh |
| 00:56.49 | freakout | ipkservice 0.8.2, preware 0.8.1 (from the testing feed) |
| 00:57.00 | oil | testing feed? |
| 00:57.05 | oil | you're not building from source? |
| 00:57.07 | PuffTheMagic | freakout: im not saying u dont get the error, but it makes no sense |
| 00:57.22 | freakout | PuffTheMagic: I just report what I see, bub. |
| 00:57.38 | PuffTheMagic | and im just saying i cant think of a reason for the error |
| 00:57.47 | freakout | oil: nope, rwhitby pointed me an ipkg for 0.8.1 alpha last night. |
| 00:58.01 | PuffTheMagic | freakout: i was getting that error when my feed didnt have a category |
| 00:58.04 | PuffTheMagic | but it does now |
| 00:58.08 | freakout | I'll git + package the source if it helps |
| 00:58.08 | PuffTheMagic | so there should be no issue |
| 00:58.15 | oil | freakout: try that |
| 00:58.17 | WillJitsu | Is it a known issue that Preware sometimes just has the spinner forever and never fully loads? It seems to happen quite often even if I make sure it doesn't go to sleep before it completely loads. |
| 00:58.19 | PuffTheMagic | but i have an idea |
| 00:58.48 | rwhitby | the information about category getting through to Preware should be invariant with respect to ipkservice versions. |
| 00:58.49 | BrianHH | Hi, everyone. When I try to install the virtual-keyboard patch, org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard.postinst is giving me a "mismatch md5sums" error message. Does anyone know what to do about that? |
| 00:59.09 | rwhitby | BrianHH: yes, you need to restore the files it is modifying back to their pristine state. |
| 00:59.16 | oil | WillJitsu: yes, we know |
| 00:59.36 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: are you using ipkgservice 0.8.2 ? |
| 01:04.03 | freakout | oil: success |
| 01:04.08 | freakout | Error is gone. |
| 01:04.20 | oil | so |
| 01:04.32 | oil | some other package is sending out a blank category |
| 01:06.56 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: you might want to take a look at the upstart script in services/ipkgservice.git/upstart/.. |
| 01:07.04 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: it fixes the respawning problem |
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| 01:16.24 | *** join/#webos-internals dug (n=Adium@24.130.185.86) |
| 01:19.55 | Robi_ | heh 1.2 laked |
| 01:19.58 | Robi_ | +e |
| 01:23.49 | WillJitsu | oil: sorry I stepped away for a second. where can I check to see which version I'm usnig? |
| 01:26.10 | jettero | 1.2 leaked? |
| 01:26.13 | jettero | hehe |
| 01:26.29 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: Preware will tell you :-) |
| 01:26.45 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: or ipkg -o /var list |
| 01:34.18 | WillJitsu | upgrading now :) |
| 01:37.18 | Decimation | you guys |
| 01:37.19 | Decimation | in webOS 1.2 |
| 01:37.19 | Decimation | we have a copy system in the browser |
| 01:37.19 | Decimation | like the iphones |
| 01:37.33 | tharris- | rumor says copy+paste |
| 01:37.47 | Decimation | its beast. |
| 01:38.15 | tharris- | this looks like a big update |
| 01:38.50 | tharris- | kinda suprised they did not just release it after the leak |
| 01:42.31 | GreedyB | Do services for things like internalz or switcharoo need to be removed for whenever this "update" comes? |
| 01:43.02 | GreedyB | I understand patches need to be but I wasn't sure about services |
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| 01:48.20 | jettero | GreedyB: probably not, but you might need to fix them after |
| 01:48.46 | chrisa | Decimation: How do you use it in the browser now? |
| 01:50.55 | freakout | tharris: presumably it's not quite ready yet... |
| 01:54.06 | tharris- | i am seeing dates of August 30th, i am betting it is ready but the infrastructure isnt |
| 01:55.19 | Decimation | rwhitby: this 1.2 update is sweet :D |
| 01:56.20 | Decimation | yeah, the browser copy/paste is amazing. |
| 01:57.25 | GreedyB | oh is it? |
| 01:57.39 | GreedyB | how does it compare? |
| 01:59.40 | tharris- | i need it on my emu |
| 02:00.49 | GreedyB | my guess is that you highlight like a square and it copies? or am I really off? |
| 02:04.25 | jettero | why are they sitting on the release if the update is ready? |
| 02:04.53 | freakout | jettero: They like to torture us? |
| 02:06.10 | tharris- | i am gonna guess it is an infrastrastucture thing |
| 02:06.33 | tharris- | one day i will spell like I am not dumb |
| 02:06.36 | freakout | yeah. App Cat payments aren't meant to be rolling till October |
| 02:09.49 | Decimation | tharris-: copy and paste in the browser is so much nicer |
| 02:10.20 | Decimation | press the "shift" key which is the arrow up |
| 02:10.20 | Decimation | and click on something in the browser. |
| 02:10.44 | rwhitby | Decimation: so Preware works fine in 1.2 ? |
| 02:11.20 | Decimation | then you can let go of shift |
| 02:11.20 | Decimation | and scroll |
| 02:11.20 | Decimation | then hold shift |
| 02:11.20 | Decimation | and click |
| 02:11.21 | Decimation | and it will connect the original copy |
| 02:11.49 | Decimation | and where you pressed |
| 02:11.49 | Decimation | its like the iphones |
| 02:12.03 | chrisa | oh, ok |
| 02:12.18 | chrisa | So it's the same as in the usability study I did |
| 02:15.07 | GreedyB | What kind of study did you do? |
| 02:16.23 | chrisa | Just a "does this make sense? Would you change it?" sort of thing |
| 02:20.01 | bpadalino | do you have control over the width of the copy ? |
| 02:22.06 | jauderho | anyone else having probs with preware recently? it seems to just hang for me. |
| 02:26.43 | GreedyB | once in a while it seems like it sticks.. I just close and reopen and it seems to fix it |
| 02:28.01 | rwhitby | jauderho: if you're using 0.8.2, and have rebooted, and have waited until your phone connection is back up, and have verified you have network connectivity by loading a web page at the same time, then please let me know what's happening. |
| 02:28.09 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 02:28.27 | jauderho | hmm i'm on 0.8.9 |
| 02:28.30 | jauderho | drat |
| 02:28.33 | jauderho | 0.8.0 |
| 02:28.35 | jauderho | i mean |
| 02:28.38 | jauderho | lemme upgrade |
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| 02:31.31 | jauderho | okay luna-send rescan did not seem to do anything. |
| 02:31.34 | jauderho | rebooting |
| 02:39.22 | Decimation | 35 seconds after typing pkill LunaSysMgr |
| 02:39.22 | Decimation | till its back up |
| 02:39.22 | Decimation | thats quicker |
| 02:39.22 | Decimation | freakout: no, this month. |
| 02:40.41 | freakout | Decimation: lol. you're right. I can't even remember my own stories nowadays. http://tinyurl.com/mghuxz |
| 02:41.22 | Decimation | rwhitby: yeah |
| 02:41.22 | Decimation | rwhitby: everything is.. cleaned up |
| 02:41.51 | Decimation | all the files are smaller, its beautiful |
| 02:42.22 | Decimation | rwhitby: how do i create a diff |
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| 02:49.22 | Decimation | rwhitby: there seems to be a new SystemManagerService? |
| 02:49.52 | Decimation | i see this change in the launcher-assistant |
| 02:49.52 | Decimation | < this.showQuickLaunch(true); |
| 02:49.52 | Decimation | < |
| 02:49.52 | Decimation | --- |
| 02:49.52 | Decimation | > SystemManagerService.showQuickLaunch(true); |
| 02:49.52 | Decimation | > |
| 02:50.52 | bpadalino | interesting |
| 02:50.57 | bpadalino | do you have a full diff yet ? |
| 02:51.04 | tharris- | destinal posted one |
| 02:51.10 | bpadalino | oh, link ? |
| 02:52.11 | tharris- | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Doctor_version_1.2.0-0830 |
| 02:52.21 | bpadalino | hrm .. that's just the file differences - but not the differences in the files ? |
| 02:52.28 | tharris- | yeah sorry |
| 02:52.36 | bpadalino | it's ok |
| 02:52.38 | jauderho | rwhitby: seems to work now |
| 02:52.42 | tharris- | i havent even started with that yet |
| 02:53.03 | bpadalino | the pre has d8 on it now ? |
| 02:53.14 | jauderho | d8? |
| 02:53.20 | bpadalino | javascript debugger |
| 02:53.20 | tharris- | it has had it |
| 02:53.22 | bpadalino | related to v8 |
| 02:53.33 | tharris- | been using it =p |
| 02:53.35 | jauderho | ah |
| 02:53.45 | jauderho | I wonder if v8 has been update |
| 02:53.46 | jauderho | d |
| 02:53.56 | jauderho | seems disturbing that sunspider will not run |
| 02:54.03 | bpadalino | wow, i must have missed that in the 1.1 update |
| 02:54.06 | bpadalino | (addition of d8) |
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| 02:54.48 | tharris- | yeah its a little ugly but does hell |
| 02:54.50 | tharris- | help |
| 02:54.52 | jauderho | WHOA |
| 02:55.00 | jauderho | is bluez in 1.2? |
| 02:55.16 | jauderho | looks like all the PmBt* binaries got removed |
| 02:55.26 | jauderho | nah |
| 02:55.31 | jauderho | false alarm |
| 02:55.41 | jauderho | they just removed the bt debug tools |
| 02:55.43 | jauderho | BAH |
| 02:56.23 | jauderho | looks like different build of harmony/java though |
| 02:56.26 | bpadalino | Only in 1.2.0-0830: /resources/webOS/nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs/usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/controllers/apprevokedalert-assistant.js |
| 02:56.28 | bpadalino | interesting |
| 02:56.52 | bpadalino | Only in 1.2.0-0830: /resources/webOS/nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs/usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/controllers/pubsubdashboard-assistant.js - rss reader ? |
| 02:56.59 | jauderho | has anyone tried plugging a usb keyboard into the pre? |
| 02:57.25 | jauderho | Only in 1.1.0: /resources/webOS/nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs/usr/lib/palmos/BSOD.rgba |
| 02:57.28 | jauderho | LOL |
| 02:57.34 | jauderho | no more BSOD for you |
| 02:58.29 | robo45h | evening all... was trying to install optware via optware-bootstrap.sh from gitorious and ran into an error early on in the script. |
| 02:58.46 | bpadalino | Only in 1.1.0: /resources/webOS/nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs/usr/lib/palmos/BSOD.rgba - ooh, ooh!! |
| 02:58.47 | bpadalino | ah damn |
| 02:58.48 | robo45h | Mounting /dev/hdb to /opt: ERROR: /dev/hdb does not exist |
| 02:58.49 | bpadalino | yo beat me to it |
| 02:58.50 | bpadalino | heh |
| 02:59.08 | jauderho | a lot of the controllers in the deviceinfo app were removed |
| 02:59.08 | bpadalino | robo, did you make extra room in your emulator for it ? |
| 02:59.09 | robo45h | Anyone have a clue? |
| 02:59.18 | robo45h | This is on the real phone |
| 02:59.22 | bpadalino | indeed it is not |
| 02:59.33 | jauderho | starting to look like a good idea to keep a copy of 1.1 around |
| 02:59.36 | bpadalino | are you sure you're running as root@castle# ? |
| 02:59.44 | robo45h | Hmmm. Maybe not. |
| 02:59.53 | robo45h | Maybe I thought I was on the phone and I was on the emulator |
| 03:00.05 | bpadalino | you can pass novaterm a string to help figure out which device you want to connect to |
| 03:00.23 | bpadalino | castle = phone, qemu = emulator |
| 03:00.23 | robo45h | I bet that's it. I used: novacom -t open tty:// |
| 03:00.31 | robo45h | Yem. Emu. |
| 03:00.57 | robo45h | What's the connect string for the phone via USB? |
| 03:01.10 | bpadalino | novacom -h to get instructions |
| 03:01.16 | bpadalino | i think there may be a list argument ? |
| 03:01.21 | bpadalino | to list which available connections there are |
| 03:01.28 | jauderho | that's a fairly sizable diff |
| 03:01.41 | bpadalino | jauderho: looks like a lot of language stuff .. |
| 03:01.57 | jauderho | no that much lang stuff |
| 03:01.58 | bpadalino | but indeed lots of changes for a simple 0.1 update |
| 03:02.07 | jauderho | more removing a lot of development code |
| 03:02.10 | jauderho | and test utils |
| 03:02.31 | Rick_home | Only in 1.2.0-0830: /resources/webOS/nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs/etc/event.d/LunaDownloadMgr |
| 03:02.32 | jauderho | kind of wish they would leave that in or at least on the SDK side to test/learn |
| 03:03.30 | *** join/#webos-internals MW- (n=MW@74.203.90.16) |
| 03:05.13 | bpadalino | there's plenty here to learn from, that's for sure |
| 03:05.44 | bpadalino | Only in 1.2.0-0830: /resources/webOS/nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.contacts/app/views/list/send-contact-popup.html - neat |
| 03:06.20 | bpadalino | new app: Only in 1.2.0-0830: /resources/webOS/nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.crotest - wonder what it does! |
| 03:06.29 | MW- | hello everyone |
| 03:07.17 | robo45h | Wow. I have no clue how to novacom into the phone vs. the emu. -h doesn't give a useful list of devices. |
| 03:08.04 | bpadalino | what does novacom -l show ? |
| 03:08.25 | robo45h | 56073 75c15c06f5211ba794d6ec391f9b2b59649b7a94 tcp emulator |
| 03:09.16 | bpadalino | so just the emulator ? |
| 03:09.17 | bpadalino | no castle ? |
| 03:09.26 | robo45h | right. |
| 03:09.34 | bpadalino | so you don't have the phone connected ? |
| 03:09.49 | bpadalino | and in devmode ? |
| 03:10.16 | robo45h | I do have it connected and I think I put it in devmode. How can I check if it's in devmode? |
| 03:10.20 | MW- | bpadalino: I'm running the crotest program now. It's letting you do automatic testing or manual testing of stuff |
| 03:10.34 | bpadalino | MW, neat - what type of stuff ? |
| 03:10.49 | MW- | "hardware buttons, Touch sensors, Screen, Audio,Power, GPS" |
| 03:10.56 | bpadalino | robo, type the devmode code and see if ti says it's still in dev mode |
| 03:11.08 | bpadalino | i am not sure if it's still upupdowndown or if it changed :( |
| 03:11.14 | bpadalino | MW, neat! |
| 03:11.18 | MW- | I just ran it with luna-send |
| 03:12.19 | MW- | interesting there is a "Send Results" button |
| 03:12.38 | MW- | It just said "The results were sent to Customer Service." |
| 03:12.44 | MW- | Ah well |
| 03:12.49 | robo45h | Well, I'm still on 1.1.0 so devemode shouldn't have changed. I didn't know 1.2 was out |
| 03:12.54 | Templarian | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Template:Tux what does the far right one look like without rolling over it. |
| 03:12.59 | bpadalino | it isn't out for real - just leaked .. |
| 03:13.04 | robo45h | figured that |
| 03:13.27 | bpadalino | ah |
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| 03:15.58 | Ikyo | I get to have some fun now :) |
| 03:16.12 | MW- | It seems to be running a lot better in 1.2 but could be imagination |
| 03:16.21 | v3ritas | Anyone here try out 1.2 & have any issues? |
| 03:16.25 | bpadalino | phone looks like it got a lot of work as well ? |
| 03:16.35 | bpadalino | MW, is there any big difference with the dialer ? |
| 03:16.36 | MW- | no issues yet but I disabled the UpdateDaemon right away |
| 03:16.59 | robo45h | The devmode app shows a slider with the word ON visible, which I believe means I'm in devmode (those webos sliders are confusing to me) |
| 03:17.08 | MW- | the volume was lower on dialing digits... it shows the number in addition to just "Mobile, or Home" |
| 03:17.16 | MW- | There was no nasty "Beeeeeeeeep" when I ended a call |
| 03:17.18 | v3ritas | MW-: Thanks for the reply. Just being able to save images in the browser makes me want to try 1.2, but i'm a bit hesitant because i dont want to mess it up = |
| 03:17.35 | Ikyo | Did they fix the notification tone issue? |
| 03:17.47 | MW- | I don't know. Let me make a call and test myself |
| 03:17.50 | MW- | text |
| 03:18.24 | Decimation | ;) |
| 03:18.33 | MW- | yes |
| 03:18.35 | MW- | it was totally super quiet |
| 03:18.56 | MW- | Barely noticable in your ear while on the call and I had the volume on max |
| 03:19.08 | Ikyo | how about different tones for SMS? |
| 03:19.40 | MW- | Nope |
| 03:19.56 | bpadalino | init framework went from 191 -> 200 .. neat |
| 03:20.13 | Ikyo | well I will continue to work on that patch then....got my new server tonight, but couldn't get extra RAM for it. |
| 03:20.39 | bpadalino | Only in 1.2.0-0830: /resources/webOS/nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs/usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/com.palm.oddService.service - odd indeed!! |
| 03:20.44 | robo45h | bp -- fiddled with the usb cable and I see castle now. Duh. how many times in my life has it been the cable? |
| 03:20.59 | bpadalino | always physical layer |
| 03:21.00 | bpadalino | :) |
| 03:21.59 | MW- | Lots of code changed a bit... adds a semicoln in a lot of places where there wasn't any before .. |
| 03:22.31 | Ikyo | thank god they are cleaning code up |
| 03:22.32 | robo45h | OK... next question... novacom'd into the phone. How come "vi" doesn't work right? It's like the wrong TERM setting or something |
| 03:23.01 | bpadalino | no idea robo - sorry :( |
| 03:23.10 | jauderho | Sadly, the @Palm #Pre browser is still missing features compared to iPhone. Compare http://bit.ly/h9w42 vs http://bit.ly/IycoJ |
| 03:23.12 | bpadalino | it works well for me |
| 03:23.51 | MW- | yeah I can see a lot of lceaned up code |
| 03:24.03 | robo45h | bp: Really? You're using novacom to connect and it works fine? Hmmm. I get esc sequences and it doesn't paint correctly. |
| 03:24.08 | MW- | robo: are you using it with putty? |
| 03:24.14 | MW- | or just the cmd line ? |
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| 03:24.24 | robo45h | Not using putty. Using novacom |
| 03:24.42 | MW- | oh.. yeah it never worked right for me in there.. |
| 03:24.56 | bpadalino | jauderho, what are the importance of the things missing from the pre browser ? |
| 03:25.00 | robo45h | So I should install putty and use that instead? |
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| 03:25.05 | BsCaBl | um, so palm battery died, plugging it in gives me a big, battery symbol, how do i get the thing to turn back on, i was in the middle of a VERY important convo.. help please :( |
| 03:25.09 | MW- | once you have ssh installed, yeah |
| 03:25.24 | jauderho | bpadalino: look at steve's site, it's pretty informative. |
| 03:25.24 | Templarian | BsCaBl: you can't. |
| 03:25.29 | MW- | BsCaBl: wait for the battery to charge..about 15 minutes |
| 03:25.37 | nebula | anyone familiar with the mojo calls to play wav's within an app? |
| 03:25.38 | jauderho | run through it with a standard browser. |
| 03:25.39 | BsCaBl | thats it, okay, thanks! :D |
| 03:25.56 | robo45h | MW thanks... |
| 03:26.06 | robo45h | bp: thanks |
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| 03:27.08 | BsCaBl | why did it give me approx 2 dsecod sto plug in and then go to so dead it wont power on? :( |
| 03:27.21 | jauderho | bpadalino: there are some basic features missing from the pre browser such as the ability to cache a redir (which means having to take another trip out to the server if you get a 302/301) |
| 03:27.25 | MW- | the battery is just too low |
| 03:27.38 | bpadalino | interesting |
| 03:28.12 | jauderho | also looks like the JS loads serial instead of parallel |
| 03:28.13 | bpadalino | no browser seems to support || CSS -> JS .. whatever that means |
| 03:28.19 | jauderho | which will like to be a biggie |
| 03:28.25 | bpadalino | oh, || is parallel script loading ? |
| 03:28.32 | jauderho | bpadalino: not true |
| 03:28.44 | jauderho | firefox 3.6alpha2 passes all tests now |
| 03:28.52 | bpadalino | oh .. |
| 03:28.56 | bpadalino | i was looking at: http://stevesouders.com/ua/report.php?v=0 |
| 03:29.15 | jauderho | || CSS -> JS is the whole CSS blocks when it bumps into JS thing |
| 03:29.19 | Eguy | Evening good people of webos-internals |
| 03:29.42 | jauderho | what this means is "supposedly ff3.6 will load css and js in parallel" |
| 03:29.59 | bpadalino | ah |
| 03:30.33 | bpadalino | on a single core system, does it matter if it's done in parallel or serially ? |
| 03:30.44 | lmorchard | It's not CPU blocked, it's network blocked |
| 03:30.50 | Ikyo | Has anyone heard about DDR3 memory being in short supply? |
| 03:30.58 | bpadalino | OH - you mean fetching css and js in parallel |
| 03:31.02 | jauderho | what is strange is that different versions of the pre browser seems to gain/lose features. |
| 03:31.11 | bpadalino | that is a little weird |
| 03:31.34 | jauderho | it's not a single core/vs multi-core issue. it's a matter of how quickly you can get the resources to render. |
| 03:31.37 | lmorchard | Loading CSS / JS in parallel is tricky. Need to be sure of dependencies & etc |
| 03:31.56 | jauderho | lmorchard: agreed. I have yet to see ho ff3.6 does it. |
| 03:32.01 | bpadalino | does webkit support that is really the main question, right ? |
| 03:32.18 | lmorchard | Yeah, I'm not sure either... there were a bunch of intern presentations on it, but I missed it :/ |
| 03:32.20 | jauderho | the pre also limits to 10-11 connections |
| 03:32.35 | jauderho | vs 60 for the iphone |
| 03:32.49 | bpadalino | that is strange indeed |
| 03:33.36 | bpadalino | do web servers actually allow 60 connections from the same host ? |
| 03:33.53 | rwhitby | jauderho: so is there a real problem with ipkgservice 0.8.2 ? |
| 03:33.57 | bpadalino | oh, conns/host is different |
| 03:33.58 | bpadalino | i see |
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| 03:34.14 | jauderho | and from when I looked at the kernel, recycle conns was not set |
| 03:34.31 | rwhitby | jauderho: or was your hang on 0.8.0 ? |
| 03:34.32 | jauderho | rwhitby: no afaik. I was on 0.8.0. |
| 03:34.45 | rwhitby | jauderho: excellent - thanks for following up. |
| 03:34.45 | jauderho | rwhitby: seems to work now for me. i will continue to monitor |
| 03:36.17 | jauderho | e.g. et.ipv4.tcp_tw_reuse = 1 |
| 03:36.17 | jauderho | net.ipv4.tcp_tw_recycle = 1 |
| 03:36.18 | jauderho | et.ipv4.tcp_tw_reuse = 1 |
| 03:36.18 | jauderho | net.ipv4.tcp_tw_recycle = 1 |
| 03:36.28 | jauderho | oops sorry about double paste |
| 03:37.20 | bpadalino | so it is using it ? |
| 03:37.27 | jauderho | it is not |
| 03:37.31 | bpadalino | oh |
| 03:37.41 | bpadalino | suggest it up |
| 03:37.41 | jauderho | thats from my linux box. just illustrating the params |
| 03:37.45 | bpadalino | gotcha |
| 03:38.13 | jauderho | ah-hah |
| 03:38.19 | jauderho | another clue in the puzzle |
| 03:38.31 | jauderho | looks like 1.2 is still using webkit 3.2.1 |
| 03:38.39 | jauderho | BUT there are some other changes. |
| 03:38.44 | jauderho | see http://stevesouders.com/ua/report.php?v=det&pb=iPhone+3.1 |
| 03:38.55 | Ikyo | Anyone use firewire800? |
| 03:38.56 | jauderho | scroll to the right and look at the user agent string |
| 03:39.05 | tlp | sweet, 1.2 reportedly has regular copy and paste |
| 03:39.25 | jauderho | 7C116a vs 7C106c (1.1) |
| 03:39.39 | jauderho | maybe that means a newer v8 engine |
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| 03:40.44 | bpadalino | those are iphone vers ? |
| 03:40.52 | bpadalino | pre stays at 525.27.1 |
| 03:40.57 | jauderho | no |
| 03:41.09 | jauderho | it is part of the Mobile substring |
| 03:41.21 | jauderho | probably a build number for palm |
| 03:41.40 | jauderho | 525.27.1 is webkit 3.2.1 |
| 03:42.03 | jauderho | I mean 528.16 |
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| 03:42.19 | bpadalino | 528.16 is in the iphone user agent .. |
| 03:43.59 | theo | i keep seeing stuff about ledthrobber in some of the 1.2 files, in the defaultprefrences.txt file there is a refrence to ledthrobberenabled: false could this be the pulsing we have been asking for when you recieve a new message and the screen is off??? |
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| 03:46.04 | bpadalino | possibly ? |
| 03:46.10 | bpadalino | follow it |
| 03:46.13 | bpadalino | see where it is |
| 03:48.44 | theo | looks like the pre can also accept vcards now, not sure if it was doing that before or not |
| 03:49.01 | jauderho | theo: set it to true and see what happens |
| 03:49.27 | theo | once i flash to it i will |
| 03:49.45 | theo | does anyone have 1.2 flashed that might want to test this out?? |
| 03:49.53 | MW- | what file is it in, theo? |
| 03:49.56 | MW- | I'll check |
| 03:50.42 | theo | etc\palm\defaultPreferences.txt |
| 03:50.53 | tlp | rwhitby: whoa, didn't realize you were in .au and lacked a Pre |
| 03:51.08 | rwhitby | sadly, that's the situation. |
| 03:51.22 | bpadalino | but every mention of a gsm pre makes rwhitby happier |
| 03:51.27 | jauderho | rwhitby is a machine with the emulator =) |
| 03:51.36 | jauderho | GSM PRE! |
| 03:51.42 | jauderho | see happy rwhitby |
| 03:51.46 | theo | 1.2 has all the photos of sim cards and other gsm pre goodies |
| 03:51.47 | MW- | Ok, I'm restarting, theo |
| 03:52.02 | MW- | It's "true" now |
| 03:52.02 | theo | mw: awesome, lets hope it does something |
| 03:52.08 | psykoz | so did we find out if 1.2 is truly out? |
| 03:52.12 | rwhitby | I'm a bit worried that when I first lay my hands on a real device I'll say "eww - that just feels wrong" and then have to go buy something else ... |
| 03:52.27 | bpadalino | quite possible rwhitby |
| 03:52.31 | theo | lol... lets hope that doesnt happen |
| 03:52.59 | rwhitby | meh - it won't affect the community much - I don't do much around here anyway ... |
| 03:52.59 | bpadalino | if we see rwhitby /part this channel once the pre comes out in .au - we will know his verdict |
| 03:53.13 | jauderho | rwhitby: well the oreo thing is a bit offputting. |
| 03:53.23 | jauderho | I was running around trying to find a hook awl today |
| 03:54.10 | theo | mw: are you sending yourself a message with the screen off to see if you get a pulse |
| 03:54.34 | MW- | It just restarted |
| 03:54.35 | MW- | Sending now |
| 03:55.04 | MW- | Waiting for it to re-shut off the screen (I'm ignoring it) and we'll see what the led does |
| 03:55.24 | MW- | Nothing yet, though |
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| 03:56.08 | MW- | yeah doesn't seem to be doing anything. |
| 03:56.34 | jauderho | it is a fingerprint magnet tho |
| 03:56.42 | MW- | Oh.. I think I notice a difference.. |
| 03:56.48 | theo | aaahhh, i had my hopes up.... let me check something real quick |
| 03:56.53 | theo | really what is it?? |
| 03:57.01 | MW- | I'm not sure if it was that way before... is it supposed to light up when you flick up to get the launcher? |
| 03:57.13 | MW- | all 3 LEDs light up at the same time and then turn off |
| 03:57.25 | bpadalino | yeah - that happened before |
| 03:57.28 | theo | mine is doing that |
| 03:57.39 | MW- | hmm.. nothing I can notice then |
| 03:58.12 | MW- | let's see if we can find where else LEDThrobberEnabled is |
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| 03:59.02 | Ikyo | What is the link to get it and I will see if I can't find the file |
| 03:59.52 | jauderho | off-topic: has anyone else watched "defying gravity"? |
| 04:00.04 | theo | give me a second i need to find it again |
| 04:00.22 | theo | http://megaupload.com/?d=3TH1CAKN |
| 04:00.26 | theo | thats it |
| 04:01.09 | Ikyo | ty |
| 04:01.15 | theo | np |
| 04:02.00 | Ikyo | I will see about loading all of the files up in BBEdit then doing a massfind |
| 04:02.18 | bpadalino | grep works well |
| 04:02.46 | theo | yeah the program im using to compare files does not have a mass find builtin |
| 04:03.01 | Ikyo | yeah, but I am going to rip the jar apart and not install it |
| 04:03.31 | theo | thats what ive done so far, there are a lot of changed added and deleted files compared to 1.1 |
| 04:04.04 | Ikyo | Wondering if they have released it to Sprint engineers yet for testing |
| 04:05.23 | theo | possibly, but i pretty sure this is not complete yet so who knows |
| 04:05.28 | Ikyo | I so hope 10.6 Server doesn't take much Ram |
| 04:08.32 | theo | well they have added a way to remove apps from the catalog and the handset, file called apprevokedalert_scene.html shows this "Palm had to delete this application from the App Catalog and your device. If you paid for this app, your money will be refunded. OK" |
| 04:08.45 | kesne_ | Anyone here know how to use SetTimeout in an app? |
| 04:08.53 | theo | however still fishing for more info on the ledthrobber |
| 04:08.59 | PreGame | yep |
| 04:09.20 | PreGame | window.setTimeout(function,1000); |
| 04:09.48 | MW- | I'm grepping the entire device, but it's being slow |
| 04:10.11 | rwhitby | Review of Preware: http://www.thegeniusfiles.com/review-preware-by-webos-internals-an-advanced |
| 04:11.21 | theo | mw: it only has 10,000 plus files to look at... i would imagine it might take a second or 2 |
| 04:12.28 | bpadalino | can the config lines scroll instead of going to the next line - it's a little ambiguous, isn'tit ? |
| 04:13.11 | rwhitby | theo: you know about his page, right? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Doctor_version_1.2.0-0830 |
| 04:14.14 | theo | did not, thanks you |
| 04:14.23 | PreGame | do they make palm services public in 1.2? so you don't have to name your apps com.palm? |
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| 04:18.00 | Ikyo | ledthrob returns nothing |
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| 04:18.04 | Ikyo | what is the text file name? |
| 04:18.15 | freakout | com.palm.app.screenlock - is that referring to keyguard or the proximity sensor? |
| 04:18.46 | theo | etc\palm\defaultPreferences.txt |
| 04:18.47 | MW- | my grep is still going |
| 04:19.31 | Ikyo | yeah, I am doing it on my desktop |
| 04:19.54 | theo | i also have it running on the desktop |
| 04:20.14 | Ikyo | ./usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.screenlock/app/controllers/securityconfig-assistant.js |
| 04:20.29 | Ikyo | ./usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.screenlock/app/models/SystemService.js |
| 04:20.43 | theo | im looking at those files too |
| 04:20.54 | psykoz | anyone else get annoyed with their f-key nub (love how palm put the nub on the f-key), anyway just razorbladed mine off, Bobbit style... |
| 04:20.55 | Ikyo | parameters: {keys:["showAlertsWhenLocked","sysUiEnableNextPrevGestures","LEDThrobberEnabled","onDeviceDemoRunning"]}, |
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| 04:21.42 | freakout | (never mind!) |
| 04:21.43 | psykoz | my f-key can no longer f my thumb :) |
| 04:22.03 | MW- | did you see this one |
| 04:22.07 | MW- | ledThrobberToggleModel: { |
| 04:22.07 | MW- | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.07 | MW- | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.12 | theo | do you see in securityconfig-assistant it states //Mojo.Event.listen($('blinkAlerts'),'mojo-property-change', this.toggleLEDThrobber.bindAsEventListener(this)) , notice the "blinkalerts |
| 04:23.01 | MW- | yeah .. could uncomment and see what happens .. |
| 04:23.07 | Ikyo | all pertain to the screenlockkkk |
| 04:25.02 | theo | mw: changing all false values to true might just work |
| 04:25.22 | MW- | I uncommented...rebooting.gonna see what happens. |
| 04:25.35 | theo | have my fingers crossed |
| 04:25.52 | theo | this would be great |
| 04:30.13 | MW- | rebooting again |
| 04:30.40 | theo | can you tell a difference in reboot time with 1.2? |
| 04:30.46 | MW- | no but I never did it often |
| 04:30.54 | Ikyo | Sometimes I do stuff so ass backwards |
| 04:31.03 | theo | lol... such as? |
| 04:31.08 | MW- | I forgot to change it to true when I first restarted |
| 04:31.10 | MW- | but I had it uncommented |
| 04:31.57 | Ikyo | I just got a new machine that I am going to use as my server instead of the bigger machine....more like I am too lazy to move stuff over |
| 04:32.34 | theo | lkyo: lol, file transfers aren't always plesent |
| 04:32.34 | Ikyo | I use it for a media server in the bedroom and have like 90 HD movies on it. |
| 04:32.51 | MW- | There are som new errors I think I see in /var/log/messages I don't recall before 1.2 |
| 04:32.57 | rwhitby | has anyone running 1.2 tested whether the app limit has been fixed? |
| 04:32.58 | Ikyo | 90 movies at around 7 gigs each |
| 04:33.29 | Ikyo | then I have to move the application preferences over....it is bad enough having to redo my music |
| 04:33.54 | MW- | No blinking yet that I can see... |
| 04:34.00 | PreGame | also check if you can use palms services in applications that don't start with an id of com.palm |
| 04:34.18 | theo | app pref are a pita |
| 04:35.42 | theo | mw: that folder is empty in the expanded jar file, so i cant see anything new or old |
| 04:36.21 | MW- | yeah I don't have any blinking LED that I can notice yet |
| 04:36.38 | MW- | Except.. for when I hit the power/lock button |
| 04:36.42 | MW- | all 3 LEDs blink for a split second |
| 04:36.46 | MW- | it could have been that way before, though |
| 04:37.15 | theo | mw: something tells me that everything needed for this is not there yet |
| 04:37.31 | theo | mw: that doesnt happen when i press the power button |
| 04:37.46 | MW- | only TO lock not to unlock |
| 04:38.18 | theo | yeah they never flash |
| 04:38.22 | MW- | actually I just realized, it's not even locking at all |
| 04:38.53 | theo | uh oh |
| 04:39.16 | Ikyo | okay, try this |
| 04:39.29 | Ikyo | go into the config for screenlock |
| 04:39.42 | Ikyo | then go into the security config section |
| 04:39.57 | Ikyo | see if you have a toggle for blinkalerts |
| 04:40.05 | MW- | it's messed up |
| 04:40.08 | MW- | there's no more slider for Brightness |
| 04:40.16 | MW- | and under "Secure Unlock" there's no options |
| 04:40.37 | MW- | yeah none of it is is responding to anything |
| 04:41.01 | MW- | going to put back the backup |
| 04:41.13 | theo | was getting ready to say |
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| 04:41.14 | theo | that |
| 04:41.29 | oil | rwhitby you saw my problem? |
| 04:42.05 | MW- | I will try just putting the options to true now without uncommented the other code and see what happens. |
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| 04:42.34 | destinal | lol, you sent results to customer service, like, with your name on them? |
| 04:43.04 | MW- | destinal: I did by accident in the new test app |
| 04:43.53 | destinal | bpadalino: lol, oddservice? I missed that |
| 04:46.42 | theo | the best thing about this ledthrobber is that it shows that they really are listening...lol |
| 04:47.53 | destinal | theo: well, depending on what it actually is, right? |
| 04:48.06 | theo | good point, |
| 04:48.43 | theo | keeping my hopes up, everything i have seen in the files points to blinkingalerts\ |
| 04:49.15 | MW- | I am still looking through it to get it, theo |
| 04:49.39 | theo | speaking of that, im going to do a search for blinking alerts and see what i find |
| 04:50.49 | rwhitby | oil: couldn't work out what was happening. do you have code I can try? |
| 04:52.04 | theo | oops blink, not blinking |
| 04:57.01 | theo | lkyo: have you looked in the securityconfig-scene.html it show the option for blinking alerts, i think you were on to something with checking in the screen settings |
| 04:57.41 | theo | <!--<div class="palm-info-text single" x-mojo-loc=''> The gesture area blinks when new notifications arrive. </div>--> |
| 04:58.27 | MW- | what file was that, theo |
| 04:58.51 | theo | just a sec |
| 04:59.18 | theo | usr\palm\applications\com.palm.app.screenlock\app\views\securityconfig\securityconfig-scene.html |
| 04:59.23 | MW- | thnx |
| 04:59.44 | theo | maybe if we remove the <!-- it will enable that option in the settings |
| 04:59.56 | MW- | I'm messing around with some code.. it's missing some in the program |
| 05:00.29 | theo | well at least we know what it is now... "The gesture area blinks when new notifications arrive": |
| 05:01.47 | MW- | I just found another area of commented code |
| 05:02.09 | theo | same file or a different one?? |
| 05:02.12 | MW- | diff |
| 05:02.26 | theo | ? |
| 05:02.34 | MW- | checking to see if it is'd efined or not |
| 05:02.38 | MW- | line 252 |
| 05:03.34 | theo | inside the securityconfig-assistant.js file, right? |
| 05:03.38 | MW- | es |
| 05:03.39 | MW- | yes |
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| 05:08.35 | theo | mw: have you found anything else |
| 05:08.49 | MW- | I am restarting.. I just did osmething |
| 05:09.28 | MW- | I think it will be here in the menu in a sec |
| 05:10.08 | theo | im going to assume you activated all the code that was not functional |
| 05:10.09 | MW- | it was |
| 05:10.11 | MW- | I just toggled it to on |
| 05:10.12 | MW- | :) |
| 05:10.16 | theo | ooooohhhhhhhhh |
| 05:11.15 | MW- | it's working! |
| 05:11.22 | MW- | The LED is glowing on and off |
| 05:11.22 | freakout | MW: sweet! |
| 05:11.25 | theo | sweet |
| 05:11.30 | theo | i knew that was it |
| 05:11.36 | theo | good job mw |
| 05:12.00 | MW- | I am going to remove some code I added and see if it still works |
| 05:12.21 | MW- | but the toggle works |
| 05:12.27 | MW- | it's back off now by toggling to off |
| 05:12.38 | theo | well there is one patch that we dont have to worry about applying any longer |
| 05:13.06 | theo | i like how it has the toggle switch |
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| 05:13.40 | theo | ikyo: you were right about it being in the settings |
| 05:13.47 | freakout | Theo, MW, I'm blogging this |
| 05:14.00 | MW- | Sweet |
| 05:14.08 | theo | great...which post are you putting it in?? |
| 05:14.18 | freakout | send me a /msg with your real names if you want credit under them, or I'll jsut use your handles |
| 05:14.32 | theo | theoottesen |
| 05:14.32 | freakout | (or you can say 'em here if you prefer) |
| 05:14.35 | freakout | Palm Infocenter |
| 05:15.35 | MW- | Yeah it stil works without the code I had unnecessarily added |
| 05:15.55 | theo | mw: i wonder why they had it disabled |
| 05:16.44 | MW- | do you want to know all the lines I uncommented? |
| 05:16.53 | theo | yeah that would be great |
| 05:17.05 | MW- | I kept everything at false |
| 05:17.17 | MW- | 54, 55 |
| 05:17.37 | MW- | 248-253 |
| 05:18.06 | MW- | and the <--div area in the index.html |
| 05:18.09 | MW- | err |
| 05:18.18 | MW- | securityconfig-scene.html |
| 05:20.04 | theo | not sure what the div area is?? |
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| 05:20.23 | MW- | it's on line |
| 05:21.10 | MW- | 92 - 97 |
| 05:21.17 | MW- | you want to remove the starting <!-- on line 92 |
| 05:21.25 | MW- | and the ending --> on 97 |
| 05:21.40 | MW- | and again on 101 and 103 |
| 05:22.06 | freakout | MW, where is the toggle located? |
| 05:22.09 | theo | thats odd, they are not there on the copy i have |
| 05:22.15 | freakout | The screen & lock settings? |
| 05:22.24 | MW- | yes do you want a screen shot |
| 05:22.24 | MW- | ? |
| 05:22.28 | freakout | oooo! |
| 05:22.32 | freakout | yes please :D |
| 05:22.34 | MW- | one sec |
| 05:22.53 | theo | do you want to post this on precentral with the screenshot? |
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| 05:24.58 | MW- | where should I send the screenshot to |
| 05:25.34 | theo | shoot me one at theo.ottesen@gmail.com |
| 05:25.46 | theo | thanks |
| 05:25.48 | freakout | i msg'd my email addy MW |
| 05:26.39 | MW- | Sent |
| 05:27.35 | freakout | tips hat |
| 05:28.41 | MW- | where are you posting it to, freakout? |
| 05:29.59 | freakout | Palm Infocenter, michael, i'm a writer there |
| 05:30.14 | MW- | OK.. I'm adding it ot the PreCentral thread that's 30 pages too |
| 05:30.17 | freakout | if you guys wanna post at Precentral i'm not gonna complain. (nor could I stop you :P ) |
| 05:30.59 | theo | lol |
| 05:33.30 | MW- | http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1871109&posted=1#post1871109 |
| 05:36.58 | theo | mw: awesome |
| 05:37.04 | theo | what to uncover next |
| 05:37.56 | oil | test 60 app limit |
| 05:38.17 | theo | mw: how many apps do you have installed right now?? |
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| 05:38.49 | theo | theres also the matter of weather or not it the amount of apps, or simply the space that is used |
| 05:38.52 | MW- | not anywhere close to that many |
| 05:38.56 | theo | lol |
| 05:39.23 | theo | i know im getting ready to flash my phone to 1.2 and it'll take awhile to get to that number |
| 05:39.32 | oil | just load up filecoaster or preload and start tapping install |
| 05:39.43 | theo | oil: lol |
| 05:41.00 | oil | doesnt matter what you install |
| 05:41.04 | oil | just see if you eventually hit the limit |
| 05:43.14 | MW- | The blinking LED is working for missing a call too.. just tested that |
| 05:43.17 | MW- | Not just SMs |
| 05:43.30 | theo | oooh that is sweet |
| 05:43.35 | oil | hopefully it wont even need a patch |
| 05:43.49 | oil | just somethinig they forgot to turn on in the leak |
| 05:44.05 | MW- | they had to have it commented for a reason .. |
| 05:44.05 | oil | i dont understand adding options that work, then commenting them |
| 05:44.20 | oil | like the pages stuff for the launcher? |
| 05:44.24 | oil | has ANYONE ran into a problem with it? |
| 05:45.16 | MW- | I have no idea |
| 05:45.18 | theo | i never had a problem with the pages |
| 05:45.25 | theo | never heard of any either |
| 05:47.24 | theo | mw: does it clear instantly after checking the message?? |
| 05:48.05 | MW- | It doesn't blink when youre using the phone |
| 05:48.08 | MW- | only when it's locked |
| 05:48.18 | MW- | I'm just using the phone for some other stuff right now and am actually amazed how much faster it is |
| 05:48.24 | theo | that is perfect |
| 05:48.43 | MW- | the universal search is pulling up a contact in < 1 sec and showingall the details and the AIM status |
| 05:48.46 | oil | sure its not just because you had to restart to doctor? |
| 05:48.47 | oil | xD |
| 05:48.59 | MW- | I already have all the optware installed and ssh and 9 cards open |
| 05:49.00 | oil | and no installed apps running in the background stealing processor power |
| 05:49.03 | theo | yeah i was going to wait to flash but i think that is going to change |
| 05:49.17 | MW- | and maybe 10-15 apps |
| 05:49.21 | theo | wow, thats impressive |
| 05:49.42 | MW- | and samba running too |
| 05:50.04 | freakout | lol. Your Pre's battery must really *hate* you, MW |
| 05:50.11 | MW- | It's at 100% :) |
| 05:50.46 | theo | how long does the flash take? |
| 05:50.53 | oil | HOURS |
| 05:51.00 | oil | really doesnt know |
| 05:51.01 | oil | xD |
| 05:51.08 | theo | god i hope not...lol |
| 05:51.11 | MW- | 10-15min |
| 05:51.26 | theo | its starting now so lets test it out |
| 05:51.31 | chrisa | As excited as everyone is, it's probably not a good idea to install a build that isn't released. Since the web doctor was mistakenly uploaded with that image in the first place who knows if the build is even an accepted build |
| 05:51.43 | MW- | just be sure to go into novacom right away and disable the updatedaemon |
| 05:52.03 | theo | gotcha |
| 05:52.20 | MW- | chrisa: you do have to think about the fact... why go through the effort of making a WebOS Doctor for an unstable build? |
| 05:52.41 | chrisa | Build systems build pretty much everything all the time |
| 05:53.19 | ameng1 | destinal: do you know some software to display the raw argb pixel data on linux? |
| 05:53.20 | MW- | I don't know how their system works... but I wouldn't guess it would make an entire new Doctor for each build |
| 05:54.05 | chrisa | Building a new doctor image isn't any different from building any other. Just shoving a new ramdisk into an existing framework |
| 05:54.38 | destinal | well a new rootfs, but same difference |
| 05:54.51 | chrisa | It's both |
| 05:55.13 | chrisa | technically we could say rootfs and uImage |
| 05:56.07 | destinal | right |
| 05:56.13 | oil | <<3's battles of technicality |
| 05:57.33 | destinal | ameng1: I haven't heard of one |
| 05:58.10 | destinal | ameng1: but it should be easy enough to write something that loads the data into a pixbuf / drawable in gdk |
| 05:58.57 | destinal | are you trying to validate whether the data is getting copied over? |
| 05:59.09 | ameng1 | yeah |
| 06:02.16 | ameng1 | now just to see if dfb have rightly written the image data to its mem file. then i can change the way the plugin end reading it for debugging |
| 06:05.13 | ameng1 | do you set up the program and run on emulator? |
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| 06:32.52 | chrisa | rwhitby: you around? |
| 06:34.48 | oil | maybe hes on his way home? |
| 06:35.01 | oil | or |
| 06:35.08 | oil | its saturday in australia |
| 06:35.13 | oil | so hes probably not at work |
| 06:35.13 | oil | lol |
| 06:35.44 | theo | mw you still around?? |
| 06:38.16 | chrisa | I recall hearing people had written services for the bus, but I don't see any on the wiki |
| 06:44.56 | ameng1 | destinal: penguins on emulator, hahaha |
| 06:45.10 | destinal | ameng1: congratulations! |
| 06:45.19 | destinal | does it perform ok? |
| 06:45.56 | destinal | reasonably decent speed, etc? |
| 06:46.13 | ameng1 | it seems the mmap does not work. i directly fread the mem file now |
| 06:46.28 | ameng1 | the speed on emulotor seems ok |
| 06:47.10 | ameng1 | i 'll look why mmap does not work , strange |
| 06:48.09 | ameng1 | mmap will fast than fread , i now just use a regular file as the mem file ,the speed seems ok, will change the regular file to a tmpfs file |
| 06:49.01 | ameng1 | and close all printf thing. hehe |
| 06:49.55 | destinal | heh :) |
| 06:50.49 | destinal | great, so you need to figure out the mmap thing, and then still handle input from the plugin? |
| 06:51.21 | ameng1 | yeah , you could help me with input thing on plugin end |
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| 07:38.46 | rwhitby | chrisa: here now |
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| 07:47.24 | chrisa | rwhitby: am I mistaken, or have people posted native services providing new calls to dbus for webos apps? |
| 07:48.37 | destinal | chrisa: we've put up a bunch of java services and I think PuffTheMagic just got a working native binary one in c |
| 07:48.51 | chrisa | Is his just linking normal dbus libraries? |
| 07:48.55 | destinal | and yeah, lunaservices model, dbus, accessed from mojo apps |
| 07:49.05 | destinal | chrisa: he's linking lunaservices |
| 07:51.03 | destinal | it was based on checking out palm's libpurple-adapter code and reimplementing some missing headers that weren't included in that from scratch. |
| 07:51.48 | DdAaDd | I dont see the network name on the PalmPre.. what should I do? |
| 07:54.00 | rwhitby | chrisa: yep, as destinal said, a number in Java (just using the existing Palm classes) and one in C. |
| 07:54.17 | rwhitby | chrisa: we are very careful not to redistribute any Palm code. |
| 07:55.45 | rwhitby | chrisa: Preware, for example, uses a Package Manager Service, which is written in Java, and provides webOS apps with an API to talk to ipkg directly (including running postinst and prerm scripts with secure informed user consent to deter malware incorporated into installation scripts running as root) |
| 07:55.48 | destinal | rwhitby: though we totally can redistribute the LGPL stuff :) |
| 07:55.55 | rwhitby | destinal: yep |
| 07:56.10 | chrisa | rwhitby: it feels like you like to keep reminding me that you don't redistribute palm code |
| 07:56.58 | rwhitby | chrisa: it's the one thing that Palm employees (not you) have specifically come here and told us not to do :-) |
| 07:57.10 | chrisa | gotcha |
| 07:58.32 | rwhitby | chrisa: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=services/ipkgservice.git;a=blob;f=org/webosinternals/ipkgservice/IPKGService.java is one of the Java services. |
| 07:58.58 | chrisa | I'm just curious to see how native stuff is coming along |
| 07:59.13 | rwhitby | chrisa: http://git.preyourmind.org/?p=us.ryanhope.sysfsbatteryservice;a=blob;f=src/main is the C service. |
| 07:59.50 | rwhitby | chrisa: the worst thing at the moment is that you have to restart java-serviceboot to get the new .jar file into the classpath when you install a new service. |
| 08:00.15 | rwhitby | restarting java-serviceboot when installing a new package is like trying to change the tyres on a moving car ... |
| 08:00.49 | destinal | (I've said, we should just reboot, but people don't want to wait that long) :) |
| 08:01.00 | rwhitby | C services will be much better - no need to restart the whole LSMessage infrastructure just to install a new service and launch it) |
| 08:01.45 | rwhitby | chrisa: that last URL should be http://git.preyourmind.org/?p=us.ryanhope.sysfsbatteryservice;a=blob;f=src/main.c (I missed the .c off the end) |
| 08:02.54 | destinal | rwhitby: hmm, don't see a COPYING there. he did say it would be OSS, right? |
| 08:03.13 | destinal | I see "all rights reserved" at the top |
| 08:03.52 | rwhitby | destinal: http://git.preyourmind.org/?p=us.ryanhope.sysfsbatteryservice;a=tree |
| 08:04.00 | destinal | ah, ok |
| 08:07.41 | rwhitby | but yeah, we do need to go through and put proper notices on all our files ... |
| 08:09.14 | oil | http://i25.tinypic.com/k2oco9.png |
| 08:09.15 | oil | eh? |
| 08:12.03 | rwhitby | oil: apart from the date being the 9th of May, 2009 it looks great. |
| 08:13.01 | oil | you know |
| 08:13.09 | chrisa | There are better ways to build the json response than he is doing |
| 08:13.16 | chrisa | But otherwise, this looks about normal |
| 08:13.26 | oil | when they release a phone in another country, ill go about making the dates look right xD |
| 08:14.36 | oil | better as-in faster? |
| 08:15.28 | TheBat | Arrrg. I still haven't gotten my Pre yet |
| 08:15.44 | TheBat | The good news? it's only $189 without a contract for me |
| 08:16.10 | rwhitby | chrisa: are you referring to the java service or the C service? |
| 08:16.36 | chrisa | The C one |
| 08:18.51 | TheBat | Anyone know about getting a Virtual host here on the IRC? |
| 08:19.48 | rwhitby | we need to speed up the ipkgservice java one, probably by accessing the lists and status files directly, and will try passing the information unparsed up to the javascript to see whether we can remove a couple of layers of parsing and reparsing the same information. |
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| 08:22.49 | oil | is willing to give it a shot |
| 08:22.59 | oil | should be pretty easy with how i have things setup now |
| 08:24.42 | rwhitby | theo: are you guys going to create a patch for the message notification ? |
| 08:31.22 | theo | i would imagine so, havent talked to mw about it, but i will shoot him a pm in the morning, as of now its 430 in the am and i think i should sleep. |
| 08:36.52 | oil | nonsense |
| 08:36.54 | oil | call him up! |
| 08:37.43 | theo | if anyone else would like to do this i can give out the instructions real quick |
| 08:44.36 | theo | uncomment these lines in the file /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.screenlock/app/controllers/securityconfig-assistant.js 54, 55, 248-253 then go to the file /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.screenlock/app/views/securityconfig/securityconfig-scene.html and then remove the <!-- from line 92, and on 97 and the same thing on 101 and 103 run pkill LunaSysMgr through putty and once it comes back up the setting will be in the scre |
| 08:45.06 | theo | and now i am off to bed, i will post that up tomorrow |
| 08:49.54 | oil | so |
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| 08:50.17 | oil | grouping plugins, services, and "linux binaries" into one list/option |
| 08:50.20 | oil | what should it be called? |
| 08:55.29 | rwhitby | Support Programs ? |
| 08:55.42 | oil | too long |
| 08:55.49 | oil | "Available Support Progrms" |
| 08:55.52 | oil | Programs* |
| 08:55.54 | oil | i dont think itl fit |
| 08:56.00 | rwhitby | Support Items |
| 08:56.18 | rwhitby | Support Helpers? |
| 08:56.24 | rwhitby | Dependencies ? |
| 08:56.50 | rwhitby | Libraries ? |
| 08:57.02 | oil | libraries would fit |
| 08:57.14 | rwhitby | Support Utilities |
| 08:57.35 | rwhitby | Applications and Libraries are two concepts that most users understand ... |
| 08:58.25 | oil | ok |
| 08:58.49 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic will hate it :-) |
| 08:58.54 | oil | qwll |
| 08:58.56 | oil | well* |
| 08:58.57 | oil | thats a given |
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| 09:00.07 | rwhitby | "Unimportant Stuff" ;-) |
| 09:00.21 | oil | that WILL piss him off |
| 09:00.22 | oil | lol |
| 09:03.33 | freakout | You may be giving users too much credit, rwhitby :P |
| 09:04.29 | oil | well for now |
| 09:04.52 | oil | since there isnt any dependency support |
| 09:04.58 | oil | if they dont turn the option on to see them |
| 09:05.03 | oil | they'll appear in the applications lists |
| 09:24.40 | rwhitby | freakout: "tizzy" ? |
| 09:25.14 | freakout | *minor* tizzy |
| 09:25.29 | freakout | C'mon, you're not excited? :P |
| 09:27.01 | freakout | my dictionary says "an excited state of agitation", hehe |
| 09:27.22 | oil | where are you seeing tizzy? |
| 09:27.22 | rwhitby | girls get into a tizzy, not manly webos-internals developers ;-) |
| 09:27.33 | freakout | oil: http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9889/pre-webos-12-brings-led-notifications-remote-app-removal/ |
| 09:27.34 | rwhitby | oil: check our press page :-) |
| 09:27.50 | rwhitby | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Press_Room |
| 09:27.53 | freakout | oo, we're being re-linked already? cool |
| 09:28.13 | rwhitby | freakout: I put anything that my Google Alerts finds in there ... |
| 09:28.33 | freakout | oh crap. bbl, my rice is boiling over |
| 09:28.57 | chrisa | People always jump to the worst conclusions when they see something like remote app removal support |
| 09:29.10 | chrisa | I may have to blame amazon for that now |
| 09:30.29 | rwhitby | I'm assuming it's to delete Preware when the App Store download rates get too low ;-) |
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| 09:35.03 | rwhitby | has no illusions about the miniscule imact that homebrew will have once the Palm App Catalog is in full force ... |
| 09:35.03 | rwhitby | ... impact ... |
| 09:40.28 | freakout | chrisa, like I wrote in the article, i hope that Palm uses it for good and not evil |
| 09:40.39 | freakout | And I've mailed their PR for official comment |
| 09:41.19 | freakout | But the potential to have your own desires as a user overridden are still a bit disconcerting. |
| 09:41.32 | freakout | No one likes to think they don't have control over their own computers |
| 09:42.09 | oil | bets someone will make a patch that disables it just like there is for the iphone |
| 09:42.16 | oil | not that i condone such an act |
| 09:42.18 | oil | xD |
| 09:42.21 | freakout | will be the first to alpha it for you ;) |
| 09:42.54 | oil | freakout: i pushed all my changes to preware from this evening |
| 09:42.59 | oil | feel free to play around with it |
| 09:43.10 | oil | :) |
| 09:43.22 | oil | but now, im going to sleep |
| 09:43.27 | freakout | oo, funky. Will do after dinner, beer, and bath. waiting for my chilli to cook. |
| 09:43.29 | rwhitby | night oil |
| 09:43.31 | freakout | sleep tight oil! |
| 10:02.47 | greg_roll | rwhitby: had a chance to look at IPKG Installer? Also have you setup a git for me? |
| 10:06.48 | rwhitby | greg_roll: didn't get to that today yet |
| 10:07.15 | rwhitby | greg_roll: all the 1.2 stuff has been a distraction ;-) |
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| 10:09.10 | rwhitby | greg_roll: can you please email me an openssh key, and a preferred username for git access ? |
| 10:11.46 | jettero | you shouldn't need to do that with git... the coolest part about it is the lack of a central repo. Just pull from eachother... |
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| 10:14.57 | rwhitby | jettero: that assumes that everyone can or wants to set up a publicly accessible repository |
| 10:15.04 | jettero | not really |
| 10:15.06 | rwhitby | for example, no-one is going to be able to git pull from my laptop ... |
| 10:15.11 | jettero | they could just use github or gitorious |
| 10:15.28 | jettero | in fact, on github, you could actually see a graphical representation of who did what and you can use the gui to organize |
| 10:15.32 | rwhitby | or git.webos-internals.org, which is what I requested that information for ... |
| 10:15.48 | jettero | there's nothing wrong with what you're doing. I just think it misses one of git's coolest features |
| 10:15.50 | rwhitby | github is not open source |
| 10:15.56 | jettero | what? |
| 10:16.10 | rwhitby | the source code that runs github is not open |
| 10:16.15 | jettero | so? |
| 10:16.42 | rwhitby | one needs to wonder why |
| 10:16.57 | jettero | because it's a for profit company |
| 10:17.11 | jettero | there's nothing to lose though. every git checkout is a complete repo, so if you find you hate github, move |
| 10:17.20 | greg_roll | Is there a quick help or doco on how to create a key? I'm on Windows BTW |
| 10:17.52 | rwhitby | and how does that make it better than git.webos-internals.org then? |
| 10:17.53 | jettero | many projects are hosted on github, a private repo, repo.or.cz etc... it really doesn't hurt to have like 10 central repos |
| 10:18.10 | jettero | because you wouldn't need to do all this key adding. you could just see what others wrote and choose to pull from it (or not) |
| 10:18.33 | jettero | it's a whole new way to look at it |
| 10:19.06 | jettero | I'm all done selling this though. There's nothing wrong with what you're doing. It's just the old way is all |
| 10:19.06 | rwhitby | it is an alternative project management method, yes. but not the only one. |
| 10:19.54 | rwhitby | jettero: no need to sell - pulling stuff is great when you have a set of lieutenants that all know how to use git expertly like Linus does |
| 10:20.09 | jettero | that's just fud |
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| 10:20.40 | jettero | there's like a billion foss projects on github all using the new way: fork and pull requests |
| 10:20.59 | jettero | that way anyone can write a patch. they don't need special permission |
| 10:21.34 | rwhitby | anyone can do the same with git.webos-internals.org - anyone can clone and put up the clone anywhere they like and send a pull request |
| 10:21.40 | jettero | yes |
| 10:21.45 | jettero | that's exactly my point |
| 10:21.59 | jettero | no need to collect ssh keys from people liek that. IT's the old svn/cvs way to do things |
| 10:22.31 | jettero | github and gitorious (et all) just automate the process with visualization tools |
| 10:22.34 | rwhitby | you keep trying to paint the two alternatives as one is bad and one is good ... |
| 10:22.37 | jettero | (and free public hosting) |
| 10:22.50 | jettero | Yes, I defintely think the new way is better |
| 10:23.11 | jettero | which is why I brought it up. I'd like to save you the headache of the key collection thing. But it really isn't bad. |
| 10:23.16 | jettero | it's just my opinion |
| 10:23.36 | rwhitby | and it's a good opinion |
| 10:23.37 | jettero | you have to try the new way to really feel it. It's different |
| 10:23.54 | rwhitby | I don't share the 100% one way and 0% the other way view ... |
| 10:23.58 | jettero | I just wondered if you'd really participated in a foss project on something like github where you didn't need to be added first |
| 10:24.09 | jettero | so I brought it up. |
| 10:25.03 | rwhitby | here's the scenario - we have an autobuilder. that autobuilder runs from a git repo. |
| 10:25.41 | jettero | I'm all done dude. |
| 10:26.33 | greg_roll | rwhitby: do I run ssh-keygen -t XXX to create the key for you? |
| 10:27.36 | jettero | greg_roll: that would be correct, but only send the .pub part |
| 10:28.31 | rwhitby | Unless we have a central repo which people can push to, then one of two things needs to happen. |
| 10:28.31 | rwhitby | either (1) there needs to be a single person who is a point of failure who pulls the latest stuff to be built |
| 10:28.31 | rwhitby | or (2) there needs to be some out-of-band method to tell the autobuilder what to pull |
| 10:28.33 | rwhitby | we don't want (1) cause then there is a single point of failure, and one person going on holidays bottlenecks the whole community |
| 10:28.34 | rwhitby | we don't want (2) cause eventually we want every developer to be able to cause an autobuilder run just by running git tag |
| 10:29.08 | jettero | that definitely makes sense. |
| 10:29.16 | jettero | the other beauty part of git is that you can do whatever you want |
| 10:29.31 | jettero | are you doing the autobuild as a hook? |
| 10:30.05 | rwhitby | sure, no probs. just wanted to let you know the background so you don't think the choice is out of ignorance of the two alternate processes. |
| 10:30.44 | jettero | not ignorance with the bad connotation mind you. I was just trying to be helpful as I only *wondered* if you'd tried the new forknpull style... |
| 10:30.59 | rwhitby | jettero: not yet - just polling every 15 mins at the moment |
| 10:31.29 | rwhitby | jettero: it is true that I have not participated in the forknpull style other than kernel machine maintenance |
| 10:31.30 | jettero | I use a commit hook on my bash-profile-repo to fix various things each time I push to it |
| 10:31.53 | rwhitby | so it could well be that I've set the autobuild regime up to suit my prejudice :-) |
| 10:31.57 | jettero | it is not difficult. but with an autobuild cron might make more sense |
| 10:32.27 | greg_roll | thanks jettero |
| 10:32.37 | rwhitby | yeah, doing it every 15 means that the locking is much easier than doing it with a hook. just see if the previous run is still going. |
| 10:33.02 | rwhitby | I guess a hook could easily do that too, but then you'd need to queue the new build somehow |
| 10:33.10 | jettero | well, you could do that from a hook too... and the hook could check to see if it's running too often or whatever. But then you might get a stale commit where you dont' get a rebuild |
| 10:33.53 | rwhitby | I'm sure it could be done. I've just done things the lazy way and copied the infrastructure from the nslu2-linux.org project that I run. |
| 10:34.17 | jettero | I have found with foss on github... if I fork and write a bunch of stuff... (the author doesn't even have to know); the author tends to review and pull. The first time I did that was pure delight... so that's why I brought it up |
| 10:34.45 | rwhitby | jettero: I do thing the forknpull style makes a lot of sense for individual open source apps. |
| 10:34.56 | jettero | right, but not for this. |
| 10:35.06 | jettero | unless you want a team of managers that just sit around reviewing pull requests |
| 10:35.15 | rwhitby | yeah |
| 10:36.36 | rwhitby | greg_roll: I'll set up the repo in about 2 hours time |
| 10:36.51 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 10:37.01 | jettero | I really want to write a ton of webos code ... but I took on this freelance client so I could put some scratch together before school starts. |
| 10:37.14 | jettero | it's kinda killing me to sit here working on docs when I have apps to write. :( |
| 10:45.58 | greg_roll | rwhitby: thanks |
| 10:51.30 | jettero | 10000k/{root} |
| 10:51.57 | jettero | (that would be a vim command typed in the wrong window) |
| 11:31.28 | greg_roll | does anyone know how to debug a luna-service? I'm writing one but getting the error "java.lang.ExceptionInInitializerError". Nothing more :( |
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| 11:52.34 | rwhitby | greg_roll: you can write to stdout, and then run java-serviceboot manually to see the console output |
| 12:05.31 | rwhitby | greg_roll: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/ipkg-installer.git;a=summary |
| 12:05.49 | rwhitby | greg_roll: git clone git@git.webos-internals.org:tools/ipkg-installer.git |
| 12:10.13 | greg_roll | rwhitby: thanks ill setup gtalk |
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| 12:16.11 | DesktopMa | which gsm bands does the Bell Pre support? |
| 12:21.22 | rwhitby | DesktopMa: none. it's CDMA |
| 12:22.46 | DesktopMa | I'm not too well versed in wireless bands, would it work in europe? |
| 12:26.22 | rwhitby | no |
| 12:26.37 | DesktopMa | the Bell product page says 3G but I'm not sure if you can have 3G over cdma or how that works |
| 12:26.53 | rwhitby | 3G is a marketing term |
| 12:26.56 | tmzt | evdo |
| 12:27.08 | rwhitby | The Pre is not yet UMTS. |
| 12:27.22 | DesktopMa | ah right. |
| 12:27.25 | tmzt | had no idea Bell had cdma neywork though |
| 12:27.34 | tmzt | thoyght only telus did |
| 12:30.10 | DesktopMa | seems like they do. "CDMA 850 and 1900, 1xRTT and EVDO highspeed mobile internet" |
| 12:36.55 | freakout | jhoff80 posted a decent video of 1.2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cCJNcXfddE |
| 12:43.27 | DesktopMa | has there been any more research on 3d drivers? |
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| 13:10.54 | Decimation | heh |
| 13:11.00 | Decimation | well, messaging is go to support invitation |
| 13:11.01 | Decimation | s |
| 13:11.05 | Decimation | they have a lot set up |
| 13:11.11 | Decimation | and there is a commented block that says |
| 13:11.18 | Decimation | /This needs to be cleaned up when we start supporting invitations |
| 13:16.01 | tmzt | Decimation: read the openpandora gp32x forums |
| 13:16.35 | tmzt | sorry |
| 13:16.40 | tmzt | DesktopMa: |
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| 13:36.53 | PuffTheMagic | DesktopMa: lol 3d drivers..... |
| 13:36.58 | PuffTheMagic | DesktopMa: we need 2d first |
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| 13:47.05 | un_designer | hello precentral people :D |
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| 13:48.38 | PuffTheMagic | un_designer: im gonna pretend you didnt say that |
| 13:49.24 | un_designer | ok hellow webos-internals people :-) |
| 13:49.38 | mplspades | Hello everyone. :) |
| 13:50.06 | un_designer | anyone seen egaudet (emoney_33) on precentral around? |
| 13:50.17 | PuffTheMagic | yeah hes around he all the time |
| 13:50.21 | PuffTheMagic | might be asleep right now though |
| 13:50.26 | PuffTheMagic | i forget what tz he is |
| 13:51.10 | un_designer | hm that's actually a good idea.. to include TZ info with people's nick on here and in the forum |
| 13:51.29 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 13:51.44 | PuffTheMagic | yeah its hard keep track |
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| 13:52.59 | mplspades | well actually good morning... would anyone mind tossing me a bit of help? i've been kinda racking my mind with this.. issue. |
| 13:53.39 | PuffTheMagic | mplspades: if your issue does not involves patches or modifying palm code i can/will try to help ;) |
| 13:54.11 | mplspades | Well, not a patch exactly. more like the optware, and using ssh with putty. |
| 13:54.30 | PuffTheMagic | oh |
| 13:54.34 | PuffTheMagic | thats a legit questions |
| 13:54.46 | PuffTheMagic | mplspades: whats the issue |
| 13:54.54 | mplspades | How would I reset my username and pass? |
| 13:55.09 | PuffTheMagic | the extra user you created? |
| 13:55.13 | PuffTheMagic | or your root password |
| 13:55.15 | PuffTheMagic | ? |
| 13:55.31 | PuffTheMagic | and what do u mean reset a username |
| 13:55.34 | PuffTheMagic | havent heard that before |
| 13:55.36 | PuffTheMagic | delete? |
| 13:55.36 | mplspades | The one I set up with optware, I assume extra |
| 13:56.10 | PuffTheMagic | to just change your password use novaterm to get into bash |
| 13:56.18 | PuffTheMagic | and type 'passwd <username' |
| 13:56.23 | PuffTheMagic | and type 'passwd <username>' |
| 13:56.42 | PuffTheMagic | and it will prompt you to enter and confrm the password |
| 13:56.45 | mplspades | at the root castle? |
| 13:56.51 | PuffTheMagic | yeah |
| 13:57.02 | PuffTheMagic | castle is just the hostname of the pre |
| 13:57.27 | mplspades | Uno momento, por favor. |
| 13:58.39 | mplspades | My god, it worked! |
| 13:58.59 | mplspades | I appreciate the help. Now one more question.. Why the hell doesn't novaterm just have c & p?! |
| 14:00.31 | PuffTheMagic | it does |
| 14:00.34 | PuffTheMagic | well |
| 14:00.37 | PuffTheMagic | in linux |
| 14:00.41 | PuffTheMagic | shift+ins |
| 14:00.43 | PuffTheMagic | is paste |
| 14:00.51 | PuffTheMagic | just about always |
| 14:01.06 | PuffTheMagic | and ctrl+shift+c usually will do a copy |
| 14:01.13 | PuffTheMagic | but its not the best terminal out there |
| 14:01.24 | PuffTheMagic | thats why ssh is recommended |
| 14:01.31 | PuffTheMagic | then you can use what ever terms your want |
| 14:01.33 | PuffTheMagic | with better support |
| 14:02.46 | mplspades | I just want to paste into novaterm. |
| 14:03.00 | PuffTheMagic | try shift+ins |
| 14:03.11 | PuffTheMagic | but i would recommend you get out of novaterm as fast as possible |
| 14:03.22 | PuffTheMagic | its broken in other ways you dont even know yet ;) |
| 14:03.31 | mplspades | Oh? Like? |
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| 14:07.57 | PuffTheMagic | mplspades: like nano dont work properly |
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| 14:08.53 | Decimation | when is the real 1.2 expected to release? |
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| 14:10.13 | freakout | Decimation: in the next fortnight, I'd say. |
| 14:10.36 | rwhitby | bbt |
| 14:10.36 | freakout | Palm say they want to get the App Catalog revamp up-and-running by "mid-September" |
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| 14:10.57 | Decimation | i really wish i could copy images from the web into the email app |
| 14:11.08 | rwhitby | points to http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/ipkg-installer.git;a=summary for anyone interested ... |
| 14:11.38 | freakout | smiles, contemplates staying up to 1am again |
| 14:11.56 | rwhitby | open source stand-along IPKG (supports multiple ipkgs in a bundle) installer, for java or .net |
| 14:12.01 | rwhitby | stand-alone that is |
| 14:12.34 | freakout | No Quick Install required anymore eh? |
| 14:12.40 | Decimation | is checking it out rwhitby :D |
| 14:12.59 | rwhitby | when this is productised, that will be the case for ipkg installs. of course WebOS Quick Install does more than just ipkg installs. |
| 14:13.24 | freakout | of course, of course |
| 14:14.18 | rwhitby | I'll probably incorporate it into the autobuilder for webos-internals ... |
| 14:14.36 | rwhitby | (at least the java cross-platform one) |
| 14:15.41 | rwhitby | hits the sack before it turns Father's Day |
| 14:16.00 | AnOutsider_ | Father's day was in June |
| 14:16.01 | AnOutsider_ | at least here |
| 14:16.10 | AnOutsider_ | wahat the heck |
| 14:16.13 | rwhitby | tomorrow (15 mins time) here. |
| 14:16.50 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: that ipkg installer should work for theme ipkgs too ;-) |
| 14:17.02 | AnOutsider | which one is that? |
| 14:17.10 | AnOutsider | the one the guy posted about on Precentral? |
| 14:17.13 | rwhitby | http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/ipkg-installer.git;a=summary |
| 14:17.22 | rwhitby | the same |
| 14:17.23 | PuffTheMagic | i wonder how bad i can break my pre today |
| 14:17.29 | PuffTheMagic | by installing latest upstart |
| 14:17.37 | AnOutsider | go for it |
| 14:17.43 | AnOutsider | has anyone leaked out the 1.2 image? |
| 14:17.44 | PuffTheMagic | i want dbus for upstart |
| 14:17.52 | AnOutsider | I'm fairly certain palm did that intentionally |
| 14:17.52 | PuffTheMagic | then i can make ui for starting/stopping services |
| 14:17.55 | AnOutsider | crafty art they |
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| 14:18.04 | PuffTheMagic | AnOutsider: use old shit on purpose? |
| 14:18.05 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
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| 14:18.16 | AnOutsider | old shit? |
| 14:18.21 | AnOutsider | in the 1.2 release? |
| 14:18.30 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: I think AnOutsider was referring to the 1.2 leak, not upstart. |
| 14:18.33 | PuffTheMagic | oh |
| 14:18.34 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 14:18.40 | AnOutsider | hehe |
| 14:18.42 | PuffTheMagic | its not that it was leaked |
| 14:18.44 | PuffTheMagic | its avaiable |
| 14:18.52 | PuffTheMagic | though the rom site |
| 14:18.55 | AnOutsider | I thought they patched it |
| 14:18.56 | PuffTheMagic | thats hardly a leak |
| 14:18.58 | AnOutsider | ohh palm.com/ROM |
| 14:19.11 | rwhitby | sorry, "unintentional release" |
| 14:19.28 | AnOutsider | heh, that's what I mean.I think they're just trickling it out |
| 14:19.29 | rwhitby | it's no longer available from any palm site |
| 14:19.34 | PuffTheMagic | ehh i think its a pattern |
| 14:19.36 | AnOutsider | that, or they really need to tighten down on their procedures |
| 14:19.42 | PuffTheMagic | latest release was available in webosdr first |
| 14:19.43 | PuffTheMagic | then emu |
| 14:19.49 | rwhitby | yeah, it's intentional. |
| 14:19.49 | PuffTheMagic | then ota |
| 14:20.08 | PuffTheMagic | they are getting ready for the release |
| 14:20.13 | rwhitby | it's so they can give it to us without having to officially acknowledge us. |
| 14:20.22 | AnOutsider | from the posts, sounds like it's going to be a good one |
| 14:21.10 | rwhitby | retires |
| 14:21.25 | AnOutsider | night man |
| 14:21.41 | PuffTheMagic | builds upstart 0.6.3 for armv7 |
| 14:21.43 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
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| 14:26.26 | mplspades | Alright, how do I give my extra user root privilages.. I dont understand what step i missed. |
| 14:28.42 | PuffTheMagic | mplspades: edit /etc/groups |
| 14:28.49 | PuffTheMagic | and add your user to the wheel group |
| 14:28.59 | PuffTheMagic | then you can run 'su -' |
| 14:29.03 | PuffTheMagic | to gain root access |
| 14:29.07 | PuffTheMagic | or use the sudo method |
| 14:29.13 | PuffTheMagic | it should all be on the wiki |
| 14:30.50 | mplspades | It is, but I just dont see how to do the editing, i see it says change shell to bash and add some lines which are apparently folders, but .. is that exactly what i type? |
| 14:31.51 | mplspades | if i sudo every command will it work? |
| 14:32.04 | PuffTheMagic | there should be something about editing /etc/sudoers |
| 14:32.08 | PuffTheMagic | err not editing |
| 14:32.13 | PuffTheMagic | but echoing a line into it |
| 14:34.09 | mplspades | Well.. I got to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps and read all about sudo and a few other commands, I'm still lost, even though I dont feel like I'm an idiot. I used to like linux, now it scares me. :\ |
| 14:35.48 | mplspades | But after testing it out it appears and I can just sudo all the commands. :x all this for a friggin theme. I love my pre too much. lol. |
| 14:36.21 | PuffTheMagic | "all this"... linux is easy :D |
| 14:36.27 | PuffTheMagic | some people use it as their one and only OS |
| 14:36.28 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 14:36.54 | PuffTheMagic | could u imagine if the pre ran windows :D |
| 14:36.57 | AnOutsider | "all this for a friggin theme" heh... easier way is coming |
| 14:37.11 | AnOutsider | linux is a good base OS for a lot fo things |
| 14:37.13 | AnOutsider | of* |
| 14:37.21 | PuffTheMagic | its a good OS for everything period |
| 14:37.39 | PuffTheMagic | :/ |
| 14:37.47 | PuffTheMagic | i figured out why palm didnt use latest upstart |
| 14:38.02 | AnOutsider | cuz it's windows based? :) |
| 14:38.10 | PuffTheMagic | ha no |
| 14:39.19 | AnOutsider | please do go on |
| 14:39.27 | AnOutsider | and eff this holiday weekend. All my damn shows cancelled |
| 14:39.29 | PuffTheMagic | it has to do with cross compiling |
| 14:39.39 | mplspades | Nah I always knew linux was superior. For some reason I used to use freebsd.. but.. i'm copying a bunch of lines of code thats what I meant. |
| 14:39.47 | PuffTheMagic | im building armv7 binary on an i686 box |
| 14:39.50 | PuffTheMagic | and part of the build |
| 14:39.54 | PuffTheMagic | make a little helper tool |
| 14:39.58 | PuffTheMagic | that is used to build more shit |
| 14:40.05 | PuffTheMagic | but that tool gets built as armv7 |
| 14:40.11 | PuffTheMagic | then when it is used to finnish building |
| 14:40.17 | PuffTheMagic | it can be run on the i686 box |
| 14:40.32 | PuffTheMagic | so that little tool needs to be built for i686 first to complete the build |
| 14:40.37 | PuffTheMagic | then it needs to be rebuild for armv7 |
| 14:40.44 | PuffTheMagic | and i dont think palm wanted to figure that out |
| 14:42.46 | AnOutsider | haha, so many things make me picture palm's dev team as a small group of coders struggling with a lot |
| 14:43.34 | PuffTheMagic | well for a company to go opensource |
| 14:43.43 | PuffTheMagic | esp to Linux where there are 1000000000 options for everything |
| 14:43.51 | PuffTheMagic | and the same number of ways to solve problems |
| 14:43.56 | PuffTheMagic | they arent doing that bad of a job |
| 14:44.23 | PuffTheMagic | and if they arent long time linux users them selves they probably arent up on the trends |
| 14:44.53 | PuffTheMagic | but luna is a pretty slick UI, well designed, maybe not documented the best |
| 14:45.00 | PuffTheMagic | i dont think they are idiots |
| 14:45.12 | PuffTheMagic | but they definatly have their work cut out for them |
| 14:45.42 | PuffTheMagic | if they dont get Bluetooth improved they are gonna loose customers |
| 14:46.46 | AnOutsider | well really webos is a desparate attempt at saving the company |
| 14:47.06 | AnOutsider | so it's no surprise they threw together a team quickly and muddled their way through it all to get a product to market |
| 14:47.18 | AnOutsider | and to be honest, they got a lot more done correct than apple did out the gates |
| 14:47.18 | PuffTheMagic | "quickly" |
| 14:47.22 | PuffTheMagic | ? |
| 14:47.36 | PuffTheMagic | seems like its been in the works for a few years now |
| 14:47.37 | AnOutsider | quickly. how long do you think apple worked on the iphone OS? |
| 14:48.01 | AnOutsider | you can also tell they put that sucker through a lot of usability testing before it went out. There were bugs, but man, out the box that OS was slick and polished |
| 14:48.21 | AnOutsider | palm is tidying up as we go, which is likely we (thankfully) have so many updates in such a relatively short period |
| 14:48.28 | AnOutsider | 1.2 will make update #2 IIRC |
| 14:48.32 | AnOutsider | err #3 |
| 14:49.09 | PuffTheMagic | well apple basically extended their ipod platform into a cell phone |
| 14:49.34 | AnOutsider | not really |
| 14:49.47 | AnOutsider | if anything, the ipod platform as it exists now (the touch) came from the iPhone OS dev I believe |
| 14:50.02 | AnOutsider | iphone OS was very different than their current iPod OS's |
| 14:50.13 | PuffTheMagic | everything after the 5g video |
| 14:50.18 | PuffTheMagic | was iphone testing |
| 14:50.18 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 14:50.34 | AnOutsider | heh |
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| 14:50.49 | AnOutsider | regardless. Their OS was in the works for a long time, and it was extremely polished when it came out |
| 14:50.49 | PuffTheMagic | when i got my 5g video there was already talk about a touchscreen ipod |
| 14:50.57 | PuffTheMagic | and that just turned into a phone |
| 14:51.05 | AnOutsider | well you're just proving my point lol |
| 14:51.18 | AnOutsider | how long did apple work on the iPhone OS vs how quickly palm came to market with WebOS |
| 14:51.44 | AnOutsider | COMPLETELY different than anything they'd done in the past. By your own accounts, apple has been slowly building to the iPhone OS with all their iPod builds |
| 14:51.48 | PuffTheMagic | well i wouldnt say plam was quick... apple was long |
| 14:51.49 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 14:52.07 | AnOutsider | relatively quickly |
| 14:52.08 | AnOutsider | better? |
| 14:52.19 | PuffTheMagic | fine... |
| 14:52.25 | PuffTheMagic | it still wasnt a bad 1.0.0 though |
| 14:52.46 | PuffTheMagic | besides obex it does everything i would expect |
| 14:52.55 | AnOutsider | lol nor did I say it was |
| 14:53.01 | PuffTheMagic | and since its a linux box in my hand im like a pig in shit |
| 14:53.08 | AnOutsider | haha |
| 14:55.45 | bpadalino | i think 18 months was the development time for the pre hardware and software .. though apparently the foleo was linux based as well |
| 14:55.49 | Decimation | i like 1.2 |
| 14:57.03 | AnOutsider | if so, 18 months is a very short time to both new hardware AND software from the ground up |
| 14:57.19 | mplspades | i think i understand what to do. |
| 14:57.53 | mplspades | I'm in etc, but i dunno how to create a file. and one i do I create a file called shells, and insert the other lines to make my shell my bash? |
| 14:58.46 | mplspades | i see how to edit wit vi but not how to create.. |
| 14:58.55 | bpadalino | AnOutsider: absolutely .. and considering how polished the pre is .. it's amazing what they did |
| 14:58.58 | bpadalino | very short development cycle |
| 14:59.30 | PuffTheMagic | where did you hear 18months? |
| 15:00.20 | bpadalino | isn't that basically when they brought rubinstein in ? |
| 15:00.40 | AnOutsider | bp, the pre is polished, but it could use more. Some of Mojo is aesthetically unpleasing. For example, the email app |
| 15:00.55 | bpadalino | AnOutsider: absolutely - not saying it doesn't need work .. |
| 15:01.00 | AnOutsider | I can't stand reading emails on it because of how the subject/sender area is. Huge ugly gradiented gray blob |
| 15:01.28 | AnOutsider | with some prettier styles and more responsive touch, I think it'd make it much better |
| 15:01.41 | AnOutsider | I still kinda wish we coudl widgetize the "desktop" |
| 15:02.01 | bpadalino | i honestly like the desktop the way it is - and kind of wish the launch bar at the bottom would go away |
| 15:02.30 | AnOutsider | a blank screen? what good is that? |
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| 15:02.43 | bpadalino | i can bring it up using the wave if i want but i find myself searching for anything i want to do anyway |
| 15:02.52 | AnOutsider | I was kind of excited for AHS. It was a slight disappointment, but a step int he right direction |
| 15:03.30 | czarphanguye | Mmm.. So I updated ipkgservice and did the typical `sudo sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.postinst` and now it goes `line 31: stop: not found` & `line 32: start: not found` What? |
| 15:03.46 | bpadalino | they need a better use for the button as well |
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| 15:04.10 | bpadalino | i think the back gesture is overrated and the button could replace that .. |
| 15:04.15 | AnOutsider | agreed. I'm curious to see how things will go with pixie/eos |
| 15:04.28 | AnOutsider | gestures are always kind of hit or miss with me |
| 15:04.40 | bpadalino | i like the up gesture |
| 15:04.46 | bpadalino | because it's easy |
| 15:05.11 | bpadalino | and hard to screw up - but the back is much more difficult to do one handed while walking |
| 15:06.37 | PuffTheMagic | bpadalino: i dont think you need to swipe, i think you can do a double tap |
| 15:06.48 | bpadalino | double tap on the left hand side ? |
| 15:06.49 | PuffTheMagic | tap on right then tap on left |
| 15:06.57 | PuffTheMagic | nope |
| 15:06.58 | PuffTheMagic | guess not |
| 15:07.10 | AnOutsider | i like double tap |
| 15:09.39 | mplspades | omg i cant exit our of edit mode in vi |
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| 15:10.13 | AnOutsider | escape |
| 15:10.18 | AnOutsider | then :q! |
| 15:10.24 | AnOutsider | or :wq if you want to save |
| 15:10.25 | mplspades | hit it or type it? |
| 15:10.31 | AnOutsider | hit the escape key |
| 15:10.37 | AnOutsider | then TYPE :wq to save |
| 15:10.39 | mplspades | ... im a dummy for that. |
| 15:10.42 | AnOutsider | or :q! |
| 15:10.45 | AnOutsider | :) |
| 15:10.46 | mplspades | I was typing esc. |
| 15:10.47 | mplspades | :/ |
| 15:10.49 | AnOutsider | hahah |
| 15:10.50 | Decimation_ | 1.2 is SOOO much snappier. |
| 15:10.56 | AnOutsider | stop teasing |
| 15:11.01 | PuffTheMagic | yeah |
| 15:11.02 | PuffTheMagic | stfu |
| 15:11.07 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 15:12.17 | czarphanguye | so, for what ever reason when I just type 'stop' or 'start' my ssh isn't looking into /sbin/ How and where do I add that? |
| 15:13.03 | PuffTheMagic | sounds like your patch is messed up for some reason |
| 15:13.59 | Decimation_ | the dialer opens so quickly |
| 15:13.59 | Decimation_ | its lovely :D |
| 15:13.59 | Decimation_ | im gonna go look for commented code. |
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| 15:19.11 | mplspades | ok, now that i made the shell file, i edit the passwd file, and change my user shell parameter to.. what? /bin/ash |
| 15:19.11 | czarphanguye | Nvm, got it. Edit /etc/profile & add :/sbin to PATH=. Meh |
| 15:19.57 | PuffTheMagic | you shouldnt have needed to change anything about your shell |
| 15:20.06 | PuffTheMagic | unless u installed bash or some other shell |
| 15:20.11 | PuffTheMagic | and u want it as your default |
| 15:21.37 | mplspades | wait, so this isn't... arg.. |
| 15:22.41 | mplspades | what exactly does this shell thing do? |
| 15:25.53 | mplspades | nevermind, i think I understand now. lol. i've been struggling with this for no reason. |
| 15:34.49 | Decimation_ | okay guys, i really need some help |
| 15:35.19 | psykoz | decimation_, so you web doctored 1.2 onto your phone? :) |
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| 16:07.04 | Decimation_ | psykoz: yup |
| 16:07.38 | Decimation_ | as long as you dont open the "updates" app, you're good. |
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| 16:30.02 | Decimation_ | rwhitby: so I see you noticed precentral is starting another closed-source project :) |
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| 16:38.06 | Templarian | Decimation_: (he's still sleeping) |
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| 16:47.54 | corq-FL | is there a simplified way or a howto, to upgrade the package manager service? I don't have a windows machine handy for messing with webOS doctor; all linux machines at home, trying to do this from CLI :/ |
| 16:49.03 | bpadalino | i don't quite understand the question ? |
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| 16:52.07 | corq-FL | preware mentions the package manage service needs an upgrade, but mentions should be done via webOS quick install |
| 16:52.48 | corq-FL | since my pre is rooted I was hoping to update via the command line, instead. |
| 16:52.59 | Decimation_ | corq-FL: what OS do you have? |
| 16:53.10 | Decimation_ | quick install works on all of them... |
| 16:53.16 | corq-FL | ubuntu Jaunty |
| 16:53.45 | Decimation_ | corq-FL: yeah, quick install works fine on linux. |
| 16:53.53 | corq-FL | Hmmm ok, I never could get webOS Doctor to detect the pre via usb on ubuntu, not sure why |
| 16:54.11 | Decimation_ | for quick install |
| 16:54.21 | Decimation_ | just put your phone in dev mode, and you are ready to go |
| 16:54.32 | Decimation_ | Templarian: i know he's sleeping, but he'll see it when he awakes :D |
| 16:54.34 | corq-FL | ah ok will try that |
| 16:55.00 | Decimation_ | corq-FL: service upgrades should be supported in preware itself soon, still not 1.0 yet, so be patient :D |
| 16:55.02 | corq-FL | I assumed quick install would give me same trouble webOS doctor did. |
| 16:55.23 | Templarian | :P |
| 16:55.43 | corq-FL | Oh, not impatient, I love tinkering ;-) but yeh always want new features too lol kid, candy store, etc... |
| 17:00.15 | bpadalino | you trying to install preware ? |
| 17:01.00 | corq-FL | cool, I see now. I totally thought quick install was a derivative of webOSDoctor, my bad for not at least trying it. |
| 17:01.09 | corq-FL | Have preware, was trying to update it. |
| 17:01.14 | bpadalino | oh |
| 17:01.16 | bpadalino | i gotcha |
| 17:01.29 | bpadalino | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Updating_via_IPKG - cli method if you care |
| 17:03.33 | Decimation_ | corq-FL: yup, the doctor is a little tricky sometimes. |
| 17:03.41 | Decimation_ | sometimes the next button wont light up |
| 17:03.43 | Decimation_ | in that case |
| 17:03.45 | corq-FL | Hmm that might be what I was trying to do, ended up at the original install Ipkg pages instead. I was prolly too vague in the wiki search what I was trying to accomplish. Appreciate it. |
| 17:03.47 | Decimation_ | follow these steps |
| 17:03.59 | Decimation_ | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover |
| 17:25.46 | PuffTheMagic | DesktopMa: what closed source project? |
| 17:32.41 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: ping |
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| 18:02.12 | PuffTheMagic | oil: ping |
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| 18:30.37 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: hey |
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| 18:30.56 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: last night when you were talking with rwhitby about sysfsbatterysercice |
| 18:31.00 | AZero | what is the command to search a file for a specific word? |
| 18:31.04 | PuffTheMagic | were all the license stuff ok |
| 18:31.07 | AZero | linux cmd |
| 18:31.21 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: i meant to ask you if you want your name in the lunaservices.h file |
| 18:31.26 | AZero | i know :129 will bring to a certain line |
| 18:31.34 | AZero | any1 know the command to string search? |
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| 18:32.39 | Eguy | anyone see the 1.2 led pulse? :D |
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| 18:32.41 | PuffTheMagic | egrep -r "asadjlajdljdlajda" path |
| 18:32.51 | Meech | quick question... |
| 18:32.52 | PuffTheMagic | Eguy: i saw the post about it |
| 18:33.02 | Eguy | very exciting |
| 18:33.10 | Meech | does anyone know how to remove the boot splash ? |
| 18:33.25 | PuffTheMagic | omg this qemu-arm thing is so damn slow |
| 18:33.45 | AZero | is there a command that i can text search within the file |
| 18:33.45 | Meech | I want to see the scrolling text... diagnostic purposes. INSTEAD OF THE PALM OR CUSTOM LOGO's |
| 18:33.46 | AZero | ? |
| 18:33.57 | PuffTheMagic | AZero: i answered u |
| 18:34.17 | AZero | ok ill try that outside the file |
| 18:35.53 | Meech | anyone know? |
| 18:36.58 | AZero | sorry don't know meech |
| 18:38.02 | Eguy | You can't meech |
| 18:38.15 | Eguy | it needs to be towo images afaik |
| 18:38.16 | Meech | uhhh... it's linux |
| 18:38.20 | Meech | you can. |
| 18:38.21 | Eguy | two |
| 18:38.38 | Meech | i'll just have to figure it out as I do with Desktop systems. |
| 18:38.39 | Eguy | Well obviously you know then, find out! ;) |
| 18:39.21 | AZero | Once you have the file open, search (or scan) for "TelephonyCommands.sendDTMF". There are two instances. At the end of this page are approximate line numbers, but these can change from version to version. |
| 18:39.32 | AZero | how do I search or scan the file? |
| 18:41.12 | bpadalino | yeah you can do that meech .. i forgot how .. |
| 18:41.14 | PuffTheMagic | AZero: are u in a text editor? |
| 18:41.16 | bpadalino | orange + c ? |
| 18:41.18 | bpadalino | to see console ? |
| 18:41.24 | AZero | yeah I'm in putty vi |
| 18:41.25 | bpadalino | during bootup? i forgot |
| 18:41.29 | AZero | i guess that is text editor |
| 18:41.39 | AZero | SSHing under root |
| 18:41.52 | PuffTheMagic | bpadalino: i htink u need usb plugged in for it too |
| 18:42.00 | bpadalino | oh do you ? |
| 18:42.01 | bpadalino | ok |
| 18:42.07 | bpadalino | i've never tried it |
| 18:42.11 | Meech | bpadalino if you remember... hit me up. if not I am going to search the file system. |
| 18:42.30 | PuffTheMagic | Meech: just reboot |
| 18:42.31 | bpadalino | meech, it's definitely in the logs for the channel |
| 18:42.33 | Meech | I am just tired of restarting my phone to then have to wait 2 minutes for it to come up. |
| 18:42.46 | bpadalino | i think geist mentioned it |
| 18:42.51 | bpadalino | and someone else confirmed |
| 18:42.54 | bpadalino | orange + x ? |
| 18:42.58 | PuffTheMagic | i've done it |
| 18:43.02 | PuffTheMagic | when i was testing my custom kernels |
| 18:43.05 | bpadalino | there you go |
| 18:43.11 | PuffTheMagic | i just dont remember if its orage + c or volup+c |
| 18:43.20 | PuffTheMagic | and i think u needed usb connected |
| 18:43.22 | bpadalino | volup+c might be it |
| 18:43.35 | bpadalino | meech, try those and see what happens and let us know |
| 18:43.54 | AZero | any idea on the search cmd while in the file? |
| 18:44.02 | AZero | :wq! quit and exit |
| 18:44.03 | bpadalino | in vi ? |
| 18:44.05 | AZero | is there not a text find |
| 18:44.08 | bpadalino | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.17 | AZero | do I have to do : |
| 18:44.19 | bpadalino | so /one will search for one |
| 18:44.19 | bpadalino | no |
| 18:44.21 | PuffTheMagic | AZero: saying you were in vi would have helped |
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| 18:44.30 | AZero | sorry puff, not super familiar =/ |
| 18:45.24 | AZero | thanks that worked! |
| 18:46.04 | AZero | i didn't know you could edit these files without vi |
| 18:46.13 | PuffTheMagic | install optware |
| 18:46.15 | PuffTheMagic | then install nano |
| 18:46.18 | PuffTheMagic | or emacs |
| 18:46.22 | PuffTheMagic | or some other editor |
| 18:46.33 | AZero | are those easier? |
| 18:46.37 | Eguy | I gotta do something about optware...my Pre is "out of var space" |
| 18:46.37 | AZero | more efficient? |
| 18:46.44 | PuffTheMagic | nano is easy |
| 18:46.47 | PuffTheMagic | i hate vi |
| 18:47.03 | PuffTheMagic | Eguy: shrink media-internal |
| 18:47.05 | AZero | do i have to install it on the pre too? |
| 18:47.06 | PuffTheMagic | back it up first |
| 18:47.13 | PuffTheMagic | AZero: yeah |
| 18:47.15 | AZero | or just connect via SSH and because it's linux |
| 18:47.17 | AZero | oh |
| 18:47.24 | PuffTheMagic | Eguy: take a gig from mi and give it to var |
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| 18:48.57 | Eguy | can you remind me the link on the wiki, I am a bit too lazy right now ahahaha |
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| 18:51.51 | PuffTheMagic | i dont thinki put that on the wiki |
| 18:52.29 | zachtib | hey, I had a question about the Terminal app: is there a way to have is run as a limited user instead of root, and have it start in that users home directory? as it is, I run 'su zach; cd' everytime I start the terminal, but I'd like to avoid having to do that if possible |
| 18:53.45 | Eguy | my linux knowledge ends there hah what do I need to do |
| 18:54.01 | bpadalino | good suggestion zach |
| 18:54.22 | PuffTheMagic | zachtib: that is sorta complicated |
| 18:54.32 | PuffTheMagic | zachtib: cause you woudl need to go in an actually add a user to do that |
| 18:54.35 | PuffTheMagic | which most people dont have |
| 18:54.48 | PuffTheMagic | so we cant set a default like that |
| 18:55.11 | bpadalino | can the terminal front end query for users in the system to choose who to login as ? |
| 18:55.20 | zachtib | PuffTheMagic, right, but it could be an option |
| 18:55.35 | PuffTheMagic | zachtib: yes we've tossed around the idea |
| 18:55.39 | zachtib | PuffTheMagic, I'd even be willing to go an midify my installed copy manually if it's possible |
| 18:55.51 | PuffTheMagic | zachtib: sure its possible |
| 18:55.53 | PuffTheMagic | its opensource |
| 18:56.00 | PuffTheMagic | zachtib: if u have an armv7 toolchain |
| 18:56.07 | PuffTheMagic | the can change it and rebuild the plugin if you want |
| 18:56.13 | Meech | nope... didn't work. |
| 18:56.25 | zachtib | (also, just noticed that installing irssi via optware doesn't work, on runtime it throws an error about libperl.so missing) |
| 18:56.47 | PuffTheMagic | install perl first |
| 18:56.47 | PuffTheMagic | ;) |
| 18:56.47 | PuffTheMagic | but remind rwhitby about it |
| 18:58.09 | zachtib | PuffTheMagic, k |
| 18:59.07 | zachtib | does ipk-opt not resolve dependencies? I'm too used to apt |
| 18:59.15 | PuffTheMagic | it should |
| 18:59.43 | bpadalino | i didn't realize irssi required libperl either |
| 19:00.05 | bpadalino | oh, irssi scripts can be perl |
| 19:00.11 | PuffTheMagic | zachtib: an irc client in mojo is next on my list |
| 19:00.39 | zachtib | PuffTheMagic, that will be awesome :D |
| 19:00.54 | zachtib | I need to start working on my javascript more so I can start on some homebrew |
| 19:01.06 | zachtib | never really done any web development |
| 19:01.39 | Rick_home | back |
| 19:01.54 | PuffTheMagic | really wants to cry at how slow qemu-arm-system is |
| 19:02.04 | PuffTheMagic | compiling upstart 0.6.3 is gonna take forever |
| 19:02.23 | Rick_home | sorry |
| 19:02.48 | Rick_home | it explains why emulator is 8086 and not qemu arm |
| 19:03.07 | PuffTheMagic | most def |
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| 19:04.59 | PuffTheMagic | just the configure part is taking forever |
| 19:05.05 | PuffTheMagic | im not even at compiling yet |
| 19:05.19 | PuffTheMagic | this better friggen work on the device when im done |
| 19:06.45 | PuffTheMagic | and it failed |
| 19:06.49 | PuffTheMagic | no pkg-config |
| 19:06.52 | PuffTheMagic | damn this image |
| 19:09.58 | Rick_home | why can you not cros compile it? |
| 19:10.35 | PuffTheMagic | cause part of the build process builds a helper tool to do somet of the building |
| 19:10.47 | PuffTheMagic | and when you cross compile, that tool becomes arm |
| 19:10.51 | PuffTheMagic | which wont run on x86 box |
| 19:10.54 | PuffTheMagic | so the build fails |
| 19:11.07 | PuffTheMagic | and i dont know how to fix the makefiles |
| 19:11.09 | Rick_home | ah |
| 19:11.15 | PuffTheMagic | so that it builds it twice |
| 19:11.25 | Rick_home | so you would how to re-do the makefile to make the tool in 8086 to allow the |
| 19:11.26 | Rick_home | right |
| 19:11.28 | Rick_home | nevermind |
| 19:11.35 | PuffTheMagic | :) |
| 19:11.37 | Rick_home | WAY beyond my linux wizard classiification. |
| 19:11.50 | PuffTheMagic | im an autotools noob |
| 19:11.53 | PuffTheMagic | that is way over my head |
| 19:12.39 | PuffTheMagic | im gonna have to make a mojito to drink while this compiles |
| 19:14.20 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_home: when is that conference you are talking at? |
| 19:15.36 | Rick_home | Sprint Developer conference, santa clara, October 28th |
| 19:16.08 | Rick_home | http://www.sprintadp09.com/sprint_ADP.html |
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| 19:19.39 | theo | MW you around?? |
| 19:25.30 | theo | Im getting ready to post the blinkin notifiication patch is anyone is interested |
| 19:27.55 | en0x | will it work on 1.1? :P |
| 19:28.20 | theo | not sure i dont believe anyone has attempted that |
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| 19:38.56 | mbetter | ahoy |
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| 19:53.14 | mbetter | how does webos decide to reindex the file system |
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| 19:59.55 | theo | patch is up http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/201642-patch-blinking-led-notifications.html |
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| 20:08.33 | mbetter | okay so i can mount a windows shares in /media/internal |
| 20:08.50 | mbetter | but i have to go to usb mode and back to get the pre to reindex the files |
| 20:09.15 | mbetter | is there any way to manually force a reindex? |
| 20:25.58 | PuffTheMagic | reindex? |
| 20:27.46 | mbetter | well, when i load the music player, it sees the same stuff that it did before |
| 20:27.52 | mbetter | unless i go into usb mode and out |
| 20:28.14 | PuffTheMagic | nfc |
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| 20:28.54 | mbetter | ? |
| 20:29.19 | mbetter | what's nfc? |
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| 20:37.41 | corq-FL | bpadalino thx for the command line tip upgrade for the ipkg service that worked. |
| 20:40.02 | bpadalino | no problemo |
| 20:40.35 | corq-FL | just for insanity's sake I tried to get ubuntu to see the pre from the java apps but neither webOSdoctor nor the quick install see it, while I can run novacomd and everything seems ok. *headscratch* oh well not urgent now anyway. |
| 20:40.54 | corq-FL | novacomd from commandline that is. |
| 20:41.12 | corq-FL | <-- thinks it's weird that linux can't see linux :/ |
| 20:41.19 | bpadalino | novacomd or novacom ? |
| 20:41.27 | bpadalino | novacomd should be running as the daemon which sees the device |
| 20:42.47 | corq-FL | yes novacomd: [2009/9/5 16:41:59] novacomctl socket ready to accept |
| 20:43.13 | corq-FL | but then novaterm sees no device. |
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| 20:44.09 | corq-FL | my linux machine at work can at least see device in novaterm, at least on the day when I rooted it |
| 20:44.29 | Decimation__ | am i the only one who's sick of people totally misusing the term "brick" |
| 20:44.32 | corq-FL | here on this machine, notsomuch |
| 20:45.07 | corq-FL | heh, but it's Apple jailbreaker's fault ;-) |
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| 20:45.42 | mbetter | bbl |
| 20:47.11 | bpadalino | corq, you need to start novacomd and then plug the pre in .. |
| 20:50.55 | corq-FL | ok. sigh, no joy. running novacomd from commandline (looks as if running ok), then for instance launching webosquickinstall... |
| 20:51.22 | corq-FL | and try to do "device management" just for giggles, |
| 20:51.27 | bpadalino | you're not getting the procedure |
| 20:51.37 | bpadalino | start novacomd ... plug the pre in to USB ... |
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| 20:53.26 | corq-FL | Yes I've tried both ways: novacomd > plugin pre (in dev mode) -> then webosquickinstall -> no love |
| 20:54.05 | corq-FL | i tried a 2nd time and waited for it to prompt me, in case that precise instruction was a detection process. |
| 20:54.21 | bpadalino | *shrug* sorry man |
| 20:55.14 | corq-FL | hehe nah that's cool I appreciate all the effort and I have root on this so must things I can do via command line. I do appreciate your effort |
| 20:57.43 | corq-FL | only thing I can think of is that doing this from a netbook maybe the usb ports on the netbook don't provide enough power on the usb port to detect somehow. I've tried all the different usb ports too. |
| 21:00.17 | bpadalino | how do you have a root shell ? |
| 21:01.38 | corq-FL | on my machine at work I suceesfully install novacom via a deb.ipa pkg I'd found, and followed the wiki instructions, mostly. I just can't repruduce my good fortune on the netbook here at hime. |
| 21:02.23 | bpadalino | strange |
| 21:05.57 | corq-FL | I had old laptop I threw xp on for the one webosdoctor reload had to do in June, even then it was damn stubborn detecting the device,m but finally did. Since then I've been beta with Win7 on the laptop and I just need to put it back on XP to have handy for rescuing the palm. I just really wanted to try getting ubuntu to work with it. Not a big deal, it charges from the netbook fine, and sees ut as a flash drive when needed. |
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| 21:15.56 | kesne | Hello all |
| 21:25.16 | Decimation__ | corq-FL: works fine with windows 7, and ubuntu.. lol |
| 21:26.02 | Decimation__ | hi kesne |
| 21:32.03 | corq-FL | Decimation: I must just be lucky :/ |
| 21:32.29 | Decimation__ | :P |
| 21:46.31 | PuffTheMagic | just another friendly announcement, preyourmind.org is ready for people to start testing/using, you want non precentral project hosting check it out |
| 21:46.37 | PuffTheMagic | auto feed generation |
| 21:47.24 | PuffTheMagic | gotta create your own ipk's though |
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| 21:52.02 | oil | does it let you add that your package is dependent on this other package? |
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| 21:57.14 | PuffTheMagic | i had that in an older version |
| 21:57.19 | PuffTheMagic | i havent reimplemented it yet |
| 21:57.35 | PuffTheMagic | i mean i can add a plain text entry field |
| 21:57.45 | PuffTheMagic | which would be fine |
| 21:57.58 | PuffTheMagic | but u would have to enter in the info in exact ipkg syntax |
| 21:58.11 | PuffTheMagic | the version i had before used drop down boxes |
| 21:58.21 | PuffTheMagic | but only worked with projects on the website |
| 21:58.37 | PuffTheMagic | so the text entry field will probably be needed for cross feed compatibility |
| 21:58.49 | PuffTheMagic | so later tonight |
| 21:58.54 | PuffTheMagic | like after dinner |
| 21:59.05 | oil | xD |
| 21:59.05 | PuffTheMagic | est time |
| 21:59.05 | PuffTheMagic | i will will add deps |
| 21:59.05 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 21:59.06 | PuffTheMagic | as a plain text field |
| 21:59.06 | oil | needs to go get breakfast |
| 21:59.11 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 21:59.12 | oil | lunch? |
| 21:59.14 | oil | idk |
| 21:59.20 | oil | its 2:58 |
| 21:59.21 | PuffTheMagic | brunch |
| 21:59.22 | oil | but i just woke up |
| 21:59.23 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 21:59.26 | PuffTheMagic | thats like lupper |
| 21:59.32 | oil | perfect |
| 21:59.35 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 21:59.41 | PuffTheMagic | i was up mad early |
| 21:59.44 | PuffTheMagic | like 9am today |
| 21:59.47 | PuffTheMagic | idk why |
| 21:59.47 | oil | me too |
| 21:59.51 | oil | i went to sleep at like 3am |
| 21:59.51 | PuffTheMagic | i love the mornings though |
| 21:59.58 | oil | is NOT a morning person |
| 22:00.13 | PuffTheMagic | aww i love it, calm, cool, quiet, get mad shit done |
| 22:00.22 | PuffTheMagic | i hate waking up late such a waste of a day |
| 22:00.34 | oil | i probably wont sleep tonight |
| 22:00.39 | oil | lol |
| 22:00.43 | oil | woke up way too late |
| 22:02.12 | PuffTheMagic | haha |
| 22:02.51 | oil | brb, gettin lupper |
| 22:02.59 | oil | xD |
| 22:17.46 | PuffTheMagic | dinner time |
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| 22:25.13 | Decimation__ | hiii everyoneeeeeee. |
| 22:25.22 | AnOutsider | ello ello |
| 22:26.34 | Decimation__ | hey AnOutsider |
| 22:26.38 | Decimation__ | still workin on the themer? |
| 22:26.44 | AnOutsider | mmhmmm :( |
| 22:27.17 | Decimation__ | gettin anywhere? :D lol |
| 22:27.52 | AnOutsider | oh yeah def. right now I'm working on the website end. working with designers to come up with an easy way to standardize themes and manage them |
| 22:28.08 | AnOutsider | right now most of them are zipping up randomly named files with .docs with instructions on where to unzip to |
| 22:28.25 | Decimation__ | yeah, jason had a good zip service he was workin on |
| 22:30.55 | AnOutsider | even still, unless that zip can understand written sentences, it's not realistic to use it to put themes in a standard form for everyone to use |
| 22:31.12 | AnOutsider | I think outside of the app, I'm going to package the themes as zip files and installable jar files |
| 22:31.17 | AnOutsider | should cover the baes |
| 22:31.21 | AnOutsider | bases* |
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| 22:35.08 | bpadalino | all your base are belong to us |
| 22:35.29 | quotemstr | What would it take for WebOS to support applications written in a non-HTML toolkit? |
| 22:36.09 | AnOutsider | heh |
| 22:36.18 | bpadalino | you'd need to shove that toolkit into the plugin architecture |
| 22:36.37 | bpadalino | and then run it as a plugin |
| 22:36.42 | quotemstr | But there's no particular reason an entire card couldn't be a plugin, right? |
| 22:36.58 | bpadalino | that's how terminal and classic bothwork |
| 22:37.03 | quotemstr | (Not that I plan to actually do any of this: I'm just curious.) |
| 22:37.05 | bpadalino | as well as pdf viewer i believe |
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| 22:40.03 | quotemstr | Thanks. I wonder whether it'd eventually be possible to run (recompiled, of course) N900 applications. |
| 22:41.05 | bpadalino | display is only one problem there .. how do you actually access the rest of the data ? |
| 22:41.32 | bpadalino | if it's all done via dbus on the n900, then it makes it a bit easier ... but still difficult |
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| 22:42.24 | bpadalino | unless you're willing to really rip those application frameworks apart and dedicate yourself to doing so .. |
| 22:42.28 | seekis | so how can we get webos 1.2 |
| 22:42.31 | bpadalino | i'd say don't hold your breath |
| 22:42.55 | bpadalino | seekis, some people have posted links .. but the "release" wasn't ready for prime time and things like updates don't work |
| 22:43.03 | quotemstr | bpadalino: No, you just write a card that runs an application over X11. |
| 22:43.04 | seekis | thats fine |
| 22:43.08 | seekis | i just want to check it out |
| 22:43.27 | quotemstr | bpadalino: Then run the other application as a separate native process and talk to it from the Xserver-plugin. |
| 22:43.27 | bpadalino | seekis, there are chat logs of this channel that you can read for links |
| 22:43.46 | bpadalino | so you really just want x11 in a card |
| 22:43.55 | quotemstr | Right. |
| 22:44.05 | bpadalino | good luck mucking around with x11 :) |
| 22:44.09 | seekis | and how do i get to those... |
| 22:44.10 | bpadalino | or writing an x11 adapter |
| 22:44.14 | bpadalino | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.15 | quotemstr | I happen to *like* X11, you insensitive clod. :-) |
| 22:44.29 | bpadalino | the source is pretty intense from what i understand |
| 22:45.05 | quotemstr | It's much improved since the x.org split. |
| 22:45.08 | bpadalino | ah |
| 22:45.17 | bpadalino | time for me to go .. bbl |
| 22:46.40 | seekis | ...this should be fun... |
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| 22:53.56 | quotemstr | So from a plugin, you get at a screen buffer by waiting for a draw event and *getting a raw framebuffer pointer* from the event struct? |
| 22:54.09 | quotemstr | Aren't there functions for things like blitting images, drawing geometric shapes, and so on? |
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| 23:04.03 | theo | MW: I put a patch for the ledthrobber on precentral http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/201642-patch-blinking-led-notifications.html |
| 23:04.13 | MW | I saw that |
| 23:04.29 | MW | what I've been working on now is trying to get yahoo msgr working in the IM :) |
| 23:05.24 | theo | how's that coming along for you? |
| 23:05.42 | Eguy_ | I hope Jason integrates the LED patch into the next quickinstall ;) *hint hint8 |
| 23:05.43 | Eguy_ | * |
| 23:06.27 | theo | well if they enable it for the acutal 1.2 release (hopefully) then we wont even need the patch |
| 23:06.51 | oil | Eguy_: im sure he will |
| 23:06.56 | Eguy_ | hah |
| 23:07.00 | Eguy_ | I don't think so theo |
| 23:07.09 | oil | he has already "thanked" on that first post |
| 23:07.10 | oil | lol |
| 23:07.16 | Eguy_ | hey what happened to my nick... stupid freenode |
| 23:07.39 | theo | lol... yeah i think i have my hopes up |
| 23:08.01 | Eguy | you are better off patching it yourself |
| 23:08.57 | Eguy | You would think they would enable SMS/Email/PDF rotation by default as well |
| 23:08.57 | oil | true |
| 23:08.57 | oil | or adding launcher pages |
| 23:08.57 | Eguy | I wonder who would fine that useful??????? |
| 23:08.58 | theo | yeah, or a lot of the commented out feature |
| 23:08.59 | Eguy | find* |
| 23:09.19 | Eguy | I like how Palm decides for us what is there or not |
| 23:09.26 | Eguy | ha... we'll show them! |
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| 23:13.53 | theo | just noticed they are adding support for skype |
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| 23:14.28 | MW | theo: I got it to show up as a button in the Add IM field but when you login it doesnt connect |
| 23:14.31 | MW | and dumps error msgs in the syslog |
| 23:14.54 | Eguy | http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/05/atandt-yanks-blackberry-bold-visual-voicemail-software-update/ :D |
| 23:17.55 | theo | what are the logs saying?? |
| 23:22.19 | theo | MW: what files are you changing to get it to show up?? |
| 23:42.49 | quotemstr | What's going on with the alleged libpurple-adapter GPL violation? |
| 23:45.37 | DraX | oh god, i hope if they did gpl violate their solution isn't to replace libpurple :( |
| 23:50.04 | Templarian | I like how the libpurple site says http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/WhatIsLibpurple |
| 23:50.31 | Templarian | "Palm - Maybe used in the messenger on the Palm Pre? " |
| 23:52.03 | Decimation | :P |
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| 23:56.14 | MTW | hey |
| 23:56.23 | MTW | is there a package to enable led notifications yet |
| 23:56.36 | theo | there is a patch |
| 23:56.43 | MTW | got a link? |
| 23:56.43 | theo | and its only for 1.2 |
| 23:56.47 | MTW | im updating to 1.2 |
| 23:56.57 | theo | http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/201642-patch-blinking-led-notifications.html |
| 23:57.19 | MTW | thanks |
| 23:57.24 | theo | np |
| 23:57.55 | quotemstr | Is there a way to differentiate the email and text message tones? |
| 23:58.24 | MTW | god i hate precentral |
| 23:58.27 | MTW | is it anywhere else? |
| 23:58.40 | oil | wow |
| 23:58.58 | MTW | shit site wants me to reg |
| 23:59.05 | Decimation | goodness.... |
| 23:59.06 | oil | its really not that bad |
| 23:59.14 | Decimation | MTW: its a good site |
| 23:59.18 | MTW | i'd rather not reg |
| 23:59.21 | Decimation | but if you are just going there for the patch |
| 23:59.23 | Decimation | don't both |
| 23:59.31 | Decimation | us members don't want members like that. |
| 23:59.33 | oil | then you'd rather not get led notification |
| 23:59.34 | oil | lol |
| 23:59.45 | MTW | you two guys need to stop sucking each others dick and get back to the question |
| 23:59.50 | MTW | Is it anywhere else? |
| 23:59.51 | oil | lol |
| 23:59.55 | oil | i didnt make it |
| 23:59.59 | oil | i have no clue if its anywhere else |
