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| 00:02.35 | Decimation | WINDOWS IS BETTER THAN LINUX |
| 00:03.26 | geist | RSX-11 IS BETTER THAN WINDOWS |
| 00:04.14 | DraX | tops-20 is where it's at |
| 00:04.24 | Decimation | windows 7 = better than all. |
| 00:07.09 | zsoc | Decimation, I respect your opinion, but the simple fact is it's incorrect :> |
| 00:09.13 | mike_pre | if there is anyone here that can help me out, I would appreciate it....i am trying to find out what the proper md5sum for this file is palmInitFramework191_15.js |
| 00:09.36 | *** join/#webos-internals Decimation_ (n=Decimati@d192-24-56-160.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 00:11.19 | mike_pre | it is located at /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins on the pre....I am having virtual keyboard install issues, as it says my checksum is not matching....and I want to make sure that the msg I am getting has the correct md5sums on them |
| 00:12.26 | zsoc | size is 773288 |
| 00:13.34 | mike_pre | zsoc, and you are on firmware 1.1.0? |
| 00:13.58 | zsoc | mike_pre, yeah. also that's the size of the .orig file, which is what i assume you want (i have virtual keyboard installed) |
| 00:14.54 | zsoc | er, md5sum is 0e5cbf40b9d2f9856600169cc690200e |
| 00:15.01 | *** part/#webos-internals Abyssul (n=Abyssul@cpe-075-176-175-108.sc.res.rr.com) |
| 00:16.32 | egaudet | IPKG log on failed install from preware should output what the expected md5sum is as well as what the md5sum of the currnet file on your pre is |
| 00:16.52 | mike_pre | yep, thats what the message is saying, my issues now is that when i md5sum the webosjar for 1.1.0, it matches what is listed here http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions |
| 00:17.20 | mike_pre | but when I extract that file, and md5sum it I am getting a different value od cdc04cac97e7c80362ca60c82a4d22c7 |
| 00:17.20 | egaudet | use repair utility |
| 00:18.29 | mike_pre | egaudet, the repair utility here? |
| 00:18.31 | mike_pre | http://www.precentral.net/webos-repair-utility-hackers-new-best-friend |
| 00:18.54 | egaudet | yea |
| 00:21.46 | mike_pre | wow, thats a nice utility there |
| 00:21.49 | mike_pre | thanks |
| 00:26.11 | zsoc | Seriously, every time I look at something else Jason's done, I feel less worthy to talk to him :P |
| 00:27.59 | bpadalino | interesting |
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| 00:57.14 | kesne | Keen Studios Online Beta Program went free |
| 01:06.20 | Decimate | kesne :O |
| 01:06.25 | Decimate | WHY |
| 01:07.30 | zsoc | Just to annoy you |
| 01:09.23 | kesne | Hehe |
| 01:25.37 | Decimate | im browsing the wanted section of craigslist to see if i have anything osmeone else wants |
| 01:25.41 | Decimate | nothing :( |
| 01:29.46 | Decimate | rod isnt here |
| 01:29.51 | Decimate | OFF TOPIC CHAT FTW |
| 01:50.36 | *** join/#webos-internals phiqtion (n=none@67.203.196.120) |
| 01:50.50 | Decimate | guys, i have one more windows 7 retail key to sell, if anyone wants it, they're going cheap.; |
| 01:50.51 | psykoz | decimate, whorring yourself out on CL, eh? |
| 01:51.01 | Decimate | psykoz: oh yes. |
| 01:51.25 | phiqtion | how much |
| 01:51.34 | psykoz | decimate, it happens |
| 01:53.46 | Decimate | phiqtion: 60 |
| 01:53.57 | Decimate | ill even burn the iso if ya want :) |
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| 01:55.04 | phiqtion | lol |
| 01:55.38 | Decimate | phiqtion: 200 dollar value, wanna buy? :) |
| 01:55.43 | Decimate | its a legit key. |
| 01:56.05 | oil | offers $10 |
| 01:57.08 | Xyg | $10.01 |
| 01:57.50 | bpadalino | a bidding war! |
| 01:58.08 | Templarian | Decimate: what one is it? |
| 01:58.47 | Templarian | is a student, but isn't engineer/cs so has to pay 30 for Pro. :( |
| 01:58.53 | Decimate | Templarian: ultimate |
| 01:59.12 | Templarian | That's a good price, you will probably find a buyer fast. |
| 01:59.49 | Decimate | yeah, i plan to :) |
| 01:59.53 | Decimate | spread the word please. |
| 02:00.09 | freakout | FYI, hax0rz: http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9922/windows-live-plugin-for-webos-messaging-in-development/ |
| 02:00.29 | freakout | can spam without repercussions while rwhitby is on holidays! xD |
| 02:01.21 | Templarian | That's not really spam, nice to see, but I expect Palm to add it shortly. |
| 02:05.19 | dBsooner | that's right rwhitby is gone, so I can SLANDER! :D |
| 02:07.57 | destinal | freakout: saying all it took was a few emails is totally understatement. it took many emails over the course of months, greg_roll's was just the last |
| 02:08.18 | oil | lol |
| 02:08.24 | Templarian | dBsooner: it's still "libel" since it's not published. |
| 02:08.30 | oil | just like precentral had themes first xD |
| 02:08.51 | dBsooner | true |
| 02:09.08 | dBsooner | speaking of which, oil, do you have sysop on the wiki? |
| 02:09.16 | oil | aye? |
| 02:09.22 | dBsooner | is that a yes? |
| 02:09.41 | oil | the only thing ive done to the wiki, is add some text, remove some text, and add some pictures |
| 02:09.42 | Templarian | dBsooner: I think he does if he doesn't dBsooner what do you need? |
| 02:09.42 | phiqtion | whats the webos emulator? |
| 02:09.57 | dBsooner | rick added a plugin to the wiki that allowed sysop's to change usernames. |
| 02:10.12 | dBsooner | He changed mine from DeCiBeL to DBsooner.. I would rahter it be dBsooner. :) |
| 02:10.19 | dBsooner | phiqtion: seriously? |
| 02:10.26 | Templarian | dBsooner: i'll go change it. |
| 02:10.26 | oil | wait |
| 02:10.33 | dBsooner | Thanks Templarian. :D |
| 02:10.46 | oil | he changed it from what you dont want to what you'd rather be |
| 02:10.49 | dBsooner | I knew my 5 bucks went to something good. |
| 02:10.51 | oil | what exactly are you asking? |
| 02:10.59 | dBsooner | capital 32 |
| 02:11.02 | dBsooner | capital D |
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| 02:11.07 | dBsooner | i want it to be small D |
| 02:11.10 | oil | ahh |
| 02:11.18 | dBsooner | not DBsooner, but dBsooner |
| 02:11.31 | oil | i registered with "oil" but it made it "Oil" |
| 02:11.36 | oil | on its own |
| 02:11.46 | dBsooner | doh! |
| 02:11.51 | dBsooner | that might be what it's going to do |
| 02:11.52 | oil | seems like it wants the first letter capital |
| 02:12.17 | dBsooner | but DB isn't the abbreviation for decibel |
| 02:12.31 | oil | looks in recent changes and doesnt see a single username with a lowercase first letter |
| 02:12.38 | dBsooner | lol |
| 02:12.51 | dBsooner | time to find a media wiki plugin to allow lower case first letters |
| 02:12.58 | freakout | destinal: greg_roll made it sound a breeze, lol |
| 02:13.00 | Templarian | dBsooner: done see if it worked. |
| 02:13.04 | dBsooner | 10-4 |
| 02:13.14 | greg_roll | well for me it was |
| 02:13.24 | greg_roll | but destinal is correct he did have lots of trouble |
| 02:13.35 | greg_roll | i didnt mostly because he did all the ground work/leegals |
| 02:13.40 | oil | sees it as Dbsooner |
| 02:13.41 | oil | xD |
| 02:13.42 | dBsooner | nope.. still upper.. I think oil is right |
| 02:13.58 | dBsooner | searches the googleweb for mediawiki plugins |
| 02:13.59 | freakout | destinal: PM me with more details if you like, I'll update happily |
| 02:14.03 | oil | lolol |
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| 02:15.34 | yokken | woah woah woah |
| 02:15.42 | yokken | saurik does pre development? |
| 02:15.59 | bpadalino | simmah down now |
| 02:16.05 | oil | who is saurik? |
| 02:16.07 | yokken | i did not know this |
| 02:16.12 | yokken | the guy who made Cydia for the iphone |
| 02:16.21 | freakout | oil: Jon Rubinstein |
| 02:16.33 | yokken | pretty much the modern king of iphone homebrew/jailbreak shit besides the iphone-devteam |
| 02:16.50 | dBsooner | DOH!! |
| 02:16.53 | dBsooner | I hate mediawiki! |
| 02:17.11 | oil | the king? |
| 02:17.13 | Templarian | dBsooner: mediawiki is the best one out there. |
| 02:17.22 | yokken | mediawiki is pretty awesome actually |
| 02:17.23 | dBsooner | Usernames are a subset of page titles, and must follow the rules for page titles. |
| 02:17.27 | yokken | oil: yes, the king. |
| 02:17.48 | dBsooner | Otherwise mediawiki rocks |
| 02:17.54 | oil | what has he made for the pre? |
| 02:18.31 | yokken | oil: i don't know, all i know is that he's in this channel and he's an operator? |
| 02:18.38 | yokken | sorry, he has +v. voice. |
| 02:19.02 | Templarian | Yea, but he doesn't really talk. |
| 02:19.07 | dBsooner | he just idles |
| 02:19.09 | dBsooner | logs |
| 02:19.17 | freakout | He was chatting a lot back when the channel was first founded, IIRC |
| 02:19.20 | oil | google says he wrote novaterm |
| 02:19.23 | dBsooner | he goes after anyone who points out who he is |
| 02:19.26 | oil | er, talk.py |
| 02:20.05 | yokken | if i was saurik i'd want to get in on the pre homebrew scene too |
| 02:20.16 | yokken | he got into the iphone scene WAY far into it and he still dominated. |
| 02:20.33 | destinal | yokken: all the +v people here are ops also when we choose to be |
| 02:20.36 | bpadalino | sargun was the one who wrote talk.py i am pretty sure |
| 02:21.09 | oil | i was only saying http://svn.saurik.com/repos/webos-dev/trunk/rooter/ was the first google result |
| 02:21.22 | yokken | destinal: i'm sure |
| 02:21.36 | bpadalino | interesting |
| 02:21.52 | bpadalino | those are my novaterm captures i sent out |
| 02:21.54 | destinal | oil: saurik hosted some of the stuff, registered domain names for webosinternals, etc |
| 02:22.01 | oil | ah |
| 02:23.10 | destinal | now we've got most everything running at OSUOSL |
| 02:24.53 | dBsooner | lol |
| 02:24.56 | dBsooner | go to osuosl.org |
| 02:25.12 | dBsooner | and look.. it's Templarian's girfriend on the right. |
| 02:25.19 | dBsooner | in the featured video |
| 02:25.34 | oil | and here i thought you were talking about the guy in the orange shirt |
| 02:25.39 | dBsooner | LOL |
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| 02:25.50 | dBsooner | That too |
| 02:26.02 | dBsooner | You can tell he's an Oregon State person, no? |
| 02:26.12 | oil | Templarian tries to help you get your lowercase letter and this is how you show appreciation? |
| 02:26.13 | oil | xD |
| 02:26.26 | destinal | freakout: there's actually a lot of open source license compliance issues with some of palm's stuff that's still outstanding, I was surprised and pleased to hear that they finally opened up the lunaservice stuff but I asked first in July and have a very long email thread back and forth with them about it |
| 02:26.30 | dBsooner | He wasn't able to score my lower case first letter, that's why he got repaied. :D |
| 02:26.59 | oil | is glad for palm handing over the luna stuff |
| 02:26.59 | oil | c services seem much better then java |
| 02:27.01 | oil | from a user point of view |
| 02:27.01 | yokken | what did palm hand over? |
| 02:27.15 | yokken | c anything seems much better than java |
| 02:27.21 | yokken | from a programmer's point of view |
| 02:27.42 | yokken | are you mistakenly referring to javascript as java, or do you mean java? |
| 02:27.53 | Templarian | is to busy doing freelance boring work for a newspapers website, funny though. |
| 02:27.53 | destinal | yokken: java |
| 02:28.01 | bpadalino | there is a jvm on the pre |
| 02:28.29 | yokken | i stand corrected |
| 02:29.42 | oil | wonders if Templarian wants to make an icon or two when hes done |
| 02:29.49 | dBsooner | I love Outlook 14 (2010). |
| 02:30.29 | dBsooner | I would pay Templarian 10 bucks to make me some Launcher icons in Oklahoma Sooner style. :D |
| 02:30.34 | dBsooner | wants to make his Sooner Theme |
| 02:30.45 | dBsooner | I have bootsplashes and background |
| 02:31.10 | yokken | all the themes on preware suck |
| 02:31.13 | Templarian | dBsooner: I only do icons for webOS-internals, btw the Left 4 Dead theme is so awesome |
| 02:31.14 | yokken | it's disappointing |
| 02:31.26 | yokken | there was this theme on the iphone called Buuf... what i would do to see it on the pre |
| 02:31.26 | Templarian | yokken: have you seen the l4d theme? it's so nice. |
| 02:31.43 | Templarian | It changes everything and the designer is really top notch. |
| 02:31.46 | yokken | the l4d theme looks sloppy and gross |
| 02:31.46 | dBsooner | Templarian: I am a apart of webOS-internals and am willing to pay... It will be "for my use only". |
| 02:31.55 | oil | wishes yokken wasn't so negative |
| 02:31.59 | Templarian | oil: yea add it to the list on the icons page and i'll look at it later tonight. |
| 02:32.06 | yokken | i'm not ALWAYS this way |
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| 02:32.17 | yokken | i'm fittingly negative when i need to be |
| 02:32.37 | dBsooner | lol.. You like my twist.. you said, "for webos-internals only".. I know you meant the site.. but I thought I would twist it to be my way. |
| 02:32.38 | Templarian | yokken: it was updated recently. the old version was, the new one is really nice. |
| 02:33.01 | yokken | how new? |
| 02:33.16 | Templarian | Today or yesterday. |
| 02:33.33 | oil | thinks yokken should make a theme if they all suck, so we can see how awesome his is |
| 02:33.53 | dBsooner | lol.. |
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| 02:34.19 | yokken | i made a theme for invisionboard when i was 11 |
| 02:34.22 | yokken | it didn't turn out so well |
| 02:34.26 | dBsooner | I'm partial to Original Blue and Red to Black |
| 02:34.34 | freakout | Original Blue FTW |
| 02:34.35 | Templarian | oil: have you thought about using a larger area instead of the top black bar for the app pages in preware? |
| 02:34.53 | yokken | i'm really a minimal guy |
| 02:34.58 | yokken | i hate complicated backgrounds |
| 02:35.10 | yokken | i like readable and sexy uniform typefaces |
| 02:35.14 | dBsooner | is ready for Preware to uninstall themes BEFORE it installs the new theme....... *HINT* |
| 02:35.23 | yokken | i.e. helvetica, helvetica neue, helvetica neue ultralight, etc |
| 02:35.46 | oil | Templarian: you mean the multi-line header like on the main scene? |
| 02:35.49 | yokken | ooooh i like abstraction |
| 02:36.18 | Templarian | yokken: minimal is fun. http://wh.templarian.com/ << my clients site right now (it's a very low budget site so minimum is mostly for time). |
| 02:36.18 | dBsooner | You all watch ABC much? |
| 02:36.29 | yokken | yessss |
| 02:36.41 | yokken | you design that theme yourself? |
| 02:36.42 | Templarian | oil: yea, I think palm does that and it looks pretty nice. |
| 02:37.06 | Templarian | yokken: today from the default, but I tore out most of the default like I normally do. |
| 02:37.25 | yokken | templarian: i really like the serif at the top... what is that? |
| 02:37.45 | yokken | also, the l4d theme still sucks. the page where you dial someone... what the fuck. |
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| 02:38.03 | oil | it doesn't suck |
| 02:38.03 | oil | you simply dont like it |
| 02:38.03 | oil | im sure others do |
| 02:38.04 | Templarian | yokken: yea thats the only bad part. |
| 02:38.11 | yokken | those with little taste |
| 02:38.49 | yokken | now the Minimalist+ theme is very nice |
| 02:39.02 | Templarian | yokken: oh the font is just georgia... the header starts with Universal or something, it's a paid font I had on my work computer. I forget if I even used that font though. |
| 02:39.30 | yokken | georgia is a beautiful serif |
| 02:39.41 | Templarian | Great for news blogs. |
| 02:40.27 | yokken | now that is helvetica, right? |
| 02:40.32 | yokken | it's a sans-serif font family for sure |
| 02:41.12 | Templarian | Not sure. I'm not really much into typography. When I do sites I usually do all text in browser. |
| 02:41.13 | bpadalino | helvetica is everywhere .. it's amazing |
| 02:41.33 | yokken | just a little constructive criticism: the search bar is cool, but it has to come farther down or be flush with the top bar. it's too distracting just a few pixels below the top bar. |
| 02:42.51 | Templarian | It was actually over the header in the mockup flush, but I didn't do that when i wrote it in. |
| 02:44.18 | Templarian | yokken: http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5773/westernherald.png here's where it's going. |
| 02:45.08 | yokken | i love design |
| 02:45.15 | Decimate | if anyone wants to buy a windows 7 ultimate key - im selling for $60... ill also burn the iso to a disc for you. |
| 02:45.19 | yokken | i'm no good at it whatsoever, but i seem to have an eye/mind for it |
| 02:45.40 | yokken | decimate: if you're reselling an MSDNAA key to make a quick $60 |
| 02:45.45 | yokken | you are a bad person |
| 02:46.00 | Decimate | differnt key |
| 02:46.04 | Decimate | different key |
| 02:46.08 | Decimate | but its from msdn |
| 02:46.22 | Templarian | Yea, I'm mostly a developer luckily all my UI deisgn helps a bit. My main job is almost all development very little designing. |
| 02:46.29 | yokken | you are BAD PERSON! |
| 02:46.31 | yokken | but smart. |
| 02:46.34 | yokken | i like it. |
| 02:46.40 | Decimate | yokken: i need money - zune hd awaits me. |
| 02:46.46 | Decimate | 100 dollars away. |
| 02:46.49 | yokken | dude, i totally know |
| 02:46.52 | yokken | why zune hd? |
| 02:47.02 | Templarian | Because it's an amazing music device. |
| 02:47.27 | bpadalino | i have an oled fetish :( .. i wish the pre had an oled |
| 02:47.33 | yokken | oled is nice |
| 02:47.39 | yokken | but it still IS harder to see in sunlight |
| 02:47.41 | Templarian | We all wish the pre had an OLED. |
| 02:47.42 | yokken | no matter what people say |
| 02:48.11 | Templarian | yokken: but the battery life and quality indoors make up for it. |
| 02:48.13 | Decimate | the zune hd = beautiful, speedy, and most importantly |
| 02:48.17 | Decimate | MS BRANDED |
| 02:48.21 | Templarian | :) |
| 02:48.28 | Decimate | ms has been on top of their game lately |
| 02:48.30 | Decimate | windows 7 |
| 02:48.31 | Decimate | zune hd |
| 02:48.34 | freakout | Decimate: plus you get those ultra-cool app ads! :p |
| 02:48.34 | Templarian | Courier |
| 02:48.47 | yokken | the zune hd is sexy, i will admit |
| 02:48.49 | Decimate | freakout: i am not to excited about that |
| 02:48.51 | yokken | and the tegra is like jizz in my pants |
| 02:49.00 | yokken | but seriously |
| 02:49.08 | yokken | it doesn't support FLAC natively |
| 02:49.10 | Decimate | wanna buy a key yokken? :) |
| 02:49.18 | Templarian | is actually saving up for a tablet PC that isn't out yet. |
| 02:49.21 | yokken | Decimate: sorry, already preordered w7pro for $30 |
| 02:49.24 | yokken | student discount <3 |
| 02:49.27 | Decimate | ouch |
| 02:49.27 | Eguy | off topic guys? |
| 02:49.30 | Decimate | fair enough |
| 02:49.35 | Templarian | yokken: same here. |
| 02:49.39 | Decimate | Eguy: rod isnt here and theres no other talk :P |
| 02:49.49 | Decimate | im running windows 7 rtm ultimate now :) |
| 02:49.54 | Eguy | lol well you can always spam the watercooler |
| 02:50.05 | Decimate | bahh. its a hassel. |
| 02:50.17 | Eguy | It's what it's for ;) |
| 02:50.20 | Decimate | we're all here, no problem unless someone else is trying to talk of stuff on-topic |
| 02:50.21 | yokken | i have windows 7 rtm ultimate on my other hdd |
| 02:50.32 | Decimate | yokken: activated? |
| 02:50.36 | yokken | nope |
| 02:50.40 | Decimate | ahhh. |
| 02:50.40 | yokken | no serial # either |
| 02:50.50 | yokken | just need it until oct 22 |
| 02:50.51 | Eguy | where did you steal it from? |
| 02:50.55 | Eguy | :P |
| 02:50.55 | Templarian | yokken: what's your major (obviously not engineering/cs either) |
| 02:50.57 | yokken | what.cd |
| 02:51.03 | yokken | templarian: cs |
| 02:51.05 | Decimate | yokken: 60 dollars and its your for good :) |
| 02:51.08 | bpadalino | you know the channel is logged, right ? |
| 02:51.12 | Templarian | yokken: you get RTM for free. |
| 02:51.22 | yokken | no i don't, sadly |
| 02:51.29 | yokken | my school doesn't have an MSDNAA agreement |
| 02:51.43 | yokken | my friend goes to illinois tech and he got it for free like 2 weeks ago |
| 02:51.48 | Templarian | dang, Yea my little bro got it since he's CS. |
| 02:51.58 | yokken | bpadalino, i really don't care if it's logged. haha |
| 02:52.08 | Eguy | got it in july :) |
| 02:52.09 | bpadalino | just making sure you know |
| 02:52.10 | yokken | OH NO SOME RANDOM GUY STOLE WINDOWS |
| 02:52.37 | Eguy | quantity of people who steal windows/mac os > quantity of people who pay for it |
| 02:52.38 | yokken | i've ran beta 7000 and rc1 for months on my windows pc at home |
| 02:52.43 | Eguy | There is a good reason for that |
| 02:52.49 | yokken | i used it and submitted bug reports |
| 02:53.06 | yokken | i deserve to run the final build until i get the real deal that i actually paid for |
| 02:53.13 | Templarian | I'm still on RC. |
| 02:53.16 | Decimate | yokken: ms says differently. |
| 02:53.18 | yokken | damn man, two OSes in 2 months, $30 each |
| 02:53.29 | yokken | Decimate: ms doesn't care about me. :) |
| 02:53.53 | Decimate | one day they are gonna pick a random person and start a lawsuit for pirating. |
| 02:53.58 | Decimate | THAT COULD BE YOu |
| 02:54.04 | yokken | like the RIAA? lawl |
| 02:54.05 | Eguy | You students can get 7 for $30 here http://www.win741.com/ |
| 02:54.26 | yokken | and piracy is soooo blurred now |
| 02:54.32 | Decimate | Eguy: i'll stick to my ultimate build :) |
| 02:54.34 | yokken | it's like "it's only illegal if you redistribute it!" |
| 02:54.40 | yokken | and microsoft has... what proof? lawl |
| 02:54.59 | yokken | they GIVE YOU 30 days to use windows without even asking for a serial |
| 02:55.02 | Templarian | I doubt MS really cares upgrades only account for like less than 1% of sales. |
| 02:55.11 | Decimate | yokken: 120* |
| 02:55.15 | yokken | the upgrade disk can be used to do a full install |
| 02:55.17 | Eguy | They have your mac address, ip address, isp, computer serial number and a few other information ;) |
| 02:55.26 | yokken | yeah, if you use that command-line dealie. |
| 02:55.31 | Decimate | mhm |
| 02:55.42 | yokken | eguy: do you know how useless a mac address is? hahaha |
| 02:56.07 | Templarian | head bobs to some Rob Zombie - Dragula |
| 02:56.11 | Eguy | I am just saying what they have, not whether it matters or not. |
| 02:56.38 | yokken | you think microsoft does data mining? |
| 02:57.55 | yokken | "we have MILLIONS of mac addresses, ip addresses, isps, computer serial numbers, and other useless bullshit! we are AWESOME!" |
| 02:58.21 | ameng | Guys, see this, http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/smartphones-userland/2009-September/001996.html |
| 02:58.49 | Templarian | yokken: You know that windows 7 can detect pirated Office '07 software. It tells you and doesn't do anything. |
| 02:59.09 | yokken | good thing mac os 10.6 is my main OS and i paid for office 08 |
| 02:59.22 | Templarian | yokken: mac version of office is a joke though. |
| 02:59.30 | yokken | it works fine |
| 02:59.34 | Eguy | LOL 10.6 |
| 02:59.41 | yokken | 10.6.1 actually |
| 02:59.43 | Eguy | That's a joke, not an OS |
| 02:59.54 | Eguy | Practical joke pulled by Apple this year |
| 02:59.55 | yokken | ;) i c wut u do here |
| 03:00.06 | yokken | anyway i gotta run guys, goin for a walk with my bros |
| 03:00.12 | destinal | ameng: awesome |
| 03:00.14 | yokken | l8r |
| 03:00.29 | Templarian | I'm a Accounted and trust me every OS X (very few), dual boot to windows when they have to do stuff with Office. The ui is so counter intutive on their version. |
| 03:00.44 | Templarian | hates when people do that. |
| 03:00.51 | ameng | destinal: ;-) |
| 03:01.24 | Templarian | I'm just waiting till Courier UI is out so that the tablet market can be ceased once and for all. |
| 03:01.38 | Templarian | (not that it isn't already) |
| 03:02.06 | Eguy | I am waiting for the Mac trend to die |
| 03:02.18 | destinal | ameng: there's no need for them to have waited so long, most of the hardware will be the same, someone could have been doing a lot of this stuff on a CDMA device |
| 03:02.27 | freakout | Eguy: no kidding |
| 03:02.38 | destinal | stephan hangs out on this channel for instance |
| 03:02.41 | bpadalino | i like my mac :( |
| 03:02.47 | Templarian | Eguy: yea, and to be fair we can give 1/4 of it's share to linux. |
| 03:02.50 | destinal | s/steph/stef/ |
| 03:03.16 | Eguy | why bpadalino? They would be ok if they were $400+ cheaper |
| 03:03.42 | bpadalino | solid construction .. thin .. i like os x |
| 03:03.50 | Eguy | SOLID? |
| 03:03.52 | Eguy | WHAT |
| 03:04.13 | destinal | apple has pretty innovative hardware designs |
| 03:04.18 | ameng | destinal: seems the sponsor lives in Germany |
| 03:04.21 | Eguy | innovative? |
| 03:04.30 | Eguy | you must have been brainwashed |
| 03:04.32 | destinal | Eguy: have you ever taken apart a powermac? I have |
| 03:04.41 | Eguy | Yes |
| 03:04.45 | oil | you can open them? |
| 03:04.51 | oil | you dont just buy new ones when they break? |
| 03:04.52 | oil | xD |
| 03:04.57 | bpadalino | the magnetic connection for the power cable is nice |
| 03:04.59 | Eguy | touche oil |
| 03:05.20 | oil | agrees that magnets are awesome |
| 03:05.33 | oil | places his pre on the touchstone puck |
| 03:05.34 | Eguy | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3320/3199999796_541834d9f9_b.jpg you call that solid? |
| 03:05.34 | Templarian | Their computer construction isn't that bad. It's just the fact they throw everything back into marketing. MS puts everything into enterprise while Apple puts everything into marketing. |
| 03:05.38 | destinal | Eguy: seriously, they do a lot of cool stuff with hardware that you don't find among clone makers, and some of the cases and board layouts are awesome |
| 03:05.59 | destinal | Eguy: I don't mean their notebooks necessarily |
| 03:07.03 | destinal | Eguy: I'm outside the reality distortion field, I think their stuff is overpriced and after the iphone debacle I won't buy another one of their products |
| 03:07.04 | Templarian | destinal: their desktops/all in one's are not anything special. They just put everything into a single board since they don't have to cater to all audiances. |
| 03:07.39 | Templarian | The only place they really excel in construction (design not so much), is their laptops. |
| 03:07.52 | destinal | Templarian: have _you_ taken apart, say, a powermac? even their desktop stuff is put together with a finesse and craftsmanship that you don't find usually outside server vendors |
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| 03:08.38 | Eguy | destinal: have you taken apart toshiba notebooks? |
| 03:08.46 | Eguy | They are even better than apple |
| 03:08.50 | oil | has, and it was bullshit |
| 03:09.03 | destinal | oil: toshiba notebook? |
| 03:09.11 | bpadalino | and if it weren't for novaterm being released with the original webos doctor, i don't think we'd have had an in to the pre until the sdk was released |
| 03:09.13 | Eguy | oil...must have been crappy ones |
| 03:09.15 | destinal | I don't work on notebooks |
| 03:09.15 | oil | yeah |
| 03:09.23 | destinal | those I do just send back :P |
| 03:09.27 | oil | lol |
| 03:09.29 | Templarian | loves fujitsu's tablets <3 |
| 03:09.39 | oil | i work at a family-owned company |
| 03:09.40 | Eguy | overpriced Templarian |
| 03:09.46 | oil | so basically i work on all their kids shit also |
| 03:10.04 | Templarian | Eguy: I know, the university i work for got some in last year and I helped train the faculty. |
| 03:10.08 | oil | they broke the power connector off inside |
| 03:10.17 | Templarian | (they were like 2k each but so nice) |
| 03:10.23 | destinal | part of why I have desktop machines at home where possible, user serviceable parts I can do things with without being a contortionist or having to neatly stack layers of screws with a diagram about where to put them back |
| 03:10.43 | Eguy | Yes destinal |
| 03:10.57 | Eguy | Rod is gonna get very angry when he sees the log size :P |
| 03:11.16 | oil | i think the easiest time ive had opening laptops |
| 03:11.21 | oil | was an ibm x41 tablet |
| 03:11.22 | Templarian | I've always gone gaming so my computers have never been under 2k so it will be funny getting a tablet which will match my current laptop, but it will be worth it. :) |
| 03:11.44 | Eguy | Templarian: no tablet really has a good gpu lol |
| 03:12.08 | destinal | Eguy: heh, we are kind of in watercooler mode, aren't we? |
| 03:12.42 | Eguy | indeed ;) |
| 03:13.10 | Templarian | I don't play games enough anymore for it to be worth it. I'm almost going to just get a 360 since it's such a rare occurance. |
| 03:13.36 | Eguy | Mine has a x1250 which is crap but it is better than an intel in terms of performance |
| 03:14.07 | oil | points out that 360 > pc gaming just to start shit |
| 03:14.20 | greg_roll | if guy does prerm run after everything has been uninstalled? |
| 03:14.21 | Templarian | I have a 2.5 year old 8400M T8300 |
| 03:14.39 | greg_roll | if I was to backup from files to /var/usr/palm/application/xxxxxx would they be deleted before prerm is run? |
| 03:14.53 | Eguy | Forza 3 demo = amazing |
| 03:15.01 | Templarian | thinks wow a real webos-internals question. |
| 03:15.11 | greg_roll | hehe yeah :) |
| 03:16.22 | Eguy | wait this is webos-internals? |
| 03:16.24 | Eguy | ;) |
| 03:20.39 | destinal | greg_roll: prerm should be run _before_ everything is uninstalled. thus, "pre-rm" |
| 03:21.00 | greg_roll | destinal: thanks! |
| 03:21.41 | destinal | greg_roll: congrats on working plugins, saw screenshots taken of the MSN messenger stuff |
| 03:22.13 | greg_roll | destinal: thanks. Thats why i need to backup files. I updated libpurple as palms version is too old |
| 03:23.02 | destinal | greg_roll: well, couldn't you just use a different filename? |
| 03:23.25 | Ron001 | Hey all. Does anyone know if someone is working on an a way to log phone calls to the google calendar. It would be a nice addition for business users. |
| 03:23.45 | greg_roll | destinal: not sure some of it is expecting a certain library even with a sym link I would replace the library for others |
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| 03:24.27 | greg_roll | plus by upgrading libpurple I can rollout newer version of aim, gtalk and yahoo which will have lots of bug fixes |
| 03:24.29 | destinal | greg_roll: we've tried in the past to avoid overwriting stuff that ships on the device if we can. otherwise OTA updates and other things can cause huge problems |
| 03:24.47 | destinal | no reason you can't have multiple versions of a lib on a device |
| 03:25.23 | greg_roll | yeah I do agree with you. I will work on it. I've only just got it to work on the Pre so ill keep at it |
| 03:27.26 | phiq | im seeing palm pre emulator info, whats this? |
| 03:28.42 | destinal | phiq: the webos emulator is part of the palm webos SDK. (http://developer.palm.com/) |
| 03:29.28 | Templarian | Does anyone know if whitby got his pre before he went on vacation? |
| 03:29.36 | destinal | Templarian: yes, he did |
| 03:29.42 | phiq | thx |
| 03:30.03 | Templarian | I'm sure that's a great distraction while on vacation. lol. |
| 03:32.15 | bpadalino | Ron001: that's an interesting idea .. log to calendar .. i would be interesting if you could record the conversations automatically and save them as appointment attachments |
| 03:33.42 | ameng | http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2009/09/25/gsm-palm-pre-on-the-horizon/ , they think palm pre is more open than nokia n900, heh |
| 03:35.13 | phiq | they should leave the pre with sprint |
| 03:35.39 | Ron001 | bpadalino: you mean the voice? I had not even thought of that.I was simply referring to the time contact and duration. Here in Maryland, recording a conversation without the other parties consent breaks our wiretapping laws - couldn't do that with an official release app. |
| 03:36.13 | bpadalino | ron001, you just have to make sure you abide by your local laws before recording .. that's all |
| 03:36.56 | Ron001 | bpadalino: true. Its the users responsibility. |
| 03:37.11 | bpadalino | indeed |
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| 03:41.08 | Ron001 | I imagine it would not be that hard as the call log already exists, and the google calendar sync already exists. Its just copying from one to another. |
| 03:41.44 | bpadalino | indeed |
| 03:42.13 | bpadalino | maybe you should suggest it on the official palm forums ? |
| 03:44.07 | Ron001 | I can do that. I like to snoop here once in a while. I know veterinary medicine, not programming, but can follow most of whats being talked about - its very cool. |
| 03:44.31 | bpadalino | neat |
| 03:46.42 | mt3ck | anyone pretty good with list widget and ajax get available to help me out real quick? |
| 03:49.01 | phiq | can i connect my pre to an ad-hoc network without mytether? |
| 03:50.00 | bpadalino | how good are you with the command line ? |
| 03:51.00 | phiq | i've never rooted my pre but linux is my OS |
| 03:51.52 | bpadalino | should be easy peasy for you then |
| 03:52.18 | phiq | shoot |
| 03:53.03 | bpadalino | oh, i've never done it .. but the driver that's loaded can support being put into ad-hoc mode .. so you just need to set it up and make sure your iptables are correct |
| 03:53.38 | phiq | i dont wanna set the pre in ad hoc mode |
| 03:53.47 | phiq | i want to connect to an ad hoc network |
| 03:53.49 | bpadalino | you just want to connect up to an ad hoc network |
| 03:53.51 | phiq | from the pre |
| 03:53.54 | bpadalino | yeah no idea ... you should try it out |
| 03:53.56 | bpadalino | see what hapens |
| 03:55.26 | phiq | yeah |
| 03:58.13 | bpadalino | does it work ? |
| 03:59.23 | phiq | all i have found is how to enable ad hoc on the pre |
| 04:00.16 | bpadalino | do you have any ad hoc networks around you ? |
| 04:07.23 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: ping |
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| 04:19.33 | Decimate | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.00 | mt3ck | what an offer.. |
| 04:20.41 | BrianMB | Hello! |
| 04:21.40 | PuffTheMagic | oil: ps3 >> 360 :D |
| 04:21.47 | PuffTheMagic | ^^ just to start shit |
| 04:21.57 | BrianMB | I need to get my own app off of my Pre (HDD failure) |
| 04:22.03 | BrianMB | PS3 is the superior console |
| 04:22.32 | BrianMB | So can anyone link me to a potential solution? My last source backup is somewhat old... |
| 04:22.57 | BrianMB | It would be a bother to make that progress again |
| 04:23.12 | BrianMB | I'll use SVN this time... maybe even Git! |
| 04:24.31 | oil | just says "psh" to ps3 comment |
| 04:25.06 | Decimate | don't say "rooted" please ;) |
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| 04:27.23 | dBsooner | who's rooting? |
| 04:28.32 | Hernie | anyone have an idea if there is some progress on getting DivX or Xvid playback? |
| 04:28.50 | ajames | some |
| 04:30.18 | Hernie | i just wish i was smart enough figure it out, lol. I can understand most everything people talk about, but when it comes to me actually implementing something on my own, heh....good luck |
| 04:31.23 | Hernie | i'm super excited about how far they've gotten on video recording |
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| 04:35.03 | ajames | it's all already in gstreamer |
| 04:35.23 | ajames | making it available to mojo apps... that's harder |
| 04:36.12 | oil | it will have to be a plugin |
| 04:36.35 | ajames | yeah, mediaserver is pretty opaque |
| 04:37.08 | dBsooner | Just saw this commercial during SNL.. I hadn't seen it yet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGPU4iNA3xQ |
| 04:37.11 | ajames | how far have people gotten writing services in C? |
| 04:37.15 | dBsooner | It sure pimps the pre. |
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| 04:37.42 | dBsooner | PuffTheMagic writes lots of services in C. ;) |
| 04:37.52 | oil | yeah, they got hte headers from palm |
| 04:38.08 | PuffTheMagic | which didnt help for shit :D |
| 04:38.12 | ajames | nice |
| 04:38.18 | PuffTheMagic | just made legal shit easier |
| 04:38.22 | dBsooner | PuffTheMagic writes his own headers |
| 04:38.27 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 04:38.31 | oil | lol |
| 04:38.42 | PuffTheMagic | im just pissed I wasted time on it |
| 04:38.42 | oil | well they gave it to you after you practically figured it all out |
| 04:38.49 | dBsooner | yeah |
| 04:38.49 | ajames | do we have any headers for libpiranha? |
| 04:38.56 | PuffTheMagic | ajames: some |
| 04:38.59 | dBsooner | They said, "Hey.. GREAT job on writing umm... these" |
| 04:39.01 | dBsooner | hehehehe |
| 04:39.02 | oil | but still it would have to be a plugin for video capture and not a service |
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| 04:39.08 | oil | it would need to draw the image right in the card |
| 04:39.12 | oil | like the camera |
| 04:39.12 | ajames | PuffTheMagic: sweet! |
| 04:39.15 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: we have like 1% of the missing headers |
| 04:39.19 | PuffTheMagic | ajames: not sweet |
| 04:39.21 | PuffTheMagic | shitty |
| 04:39.31 | dBsooner | It was quite shitty |
| 04:39.43 | dBsooner | and yes, I know. They will give out more.. eventually. |
| 04:39.54 | PuffTheMagic | idk about libpiranah |
| 04:39.55 | dBsooner | After you write more. ;) |
| 04:40.06 | PuffTheMagic | i dont see them getting released any time soon |
| 04:40.20 | PuffTheMagic | maybe after dfb adapter is released :D |
| 04:40.25 | ajames | hey, if it lets me compile against some of their libs, that's pretty good |
| 04:40.27 | PuffTheMagic | after we waste more time |
| 04:40.33 | dBsooner | how does that FlowMotion company get such cool API's? |
| 04:40.46 | PuffTheMagic | FlowMotion? |
| 04:40.52 | dBsooner | or motionapps |
| 04:40.58 | PuffTheMagic | what did they make? |
| 04:40.59 | dBsooner | whatever that company name is.. give me a sec.. |
| 04:41.03 | oil | palmos emu |
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| 04:41.08 | dBsooner | yes |
| 04:41.09 | ajames | i'm torn between wanting palm to open all of this and replacing it all with emdebian |
| 04:41.11 | PuffTheMagic | oh |
| 04:41.20 | PuffTheMagic | well they got that cause they made a special app for palm |
| 04:41.33 | PuffTheMagic | cause palm has no apps |
| 04:41.34 | dBsooner | they had their hands under the table during a meeting? |
| 04:41.57 | oil | i vote we send dbsooner to give palm people favors to get what we need |
| 04:42.13 | dBsooner | hmmm... I would have to vote no. |
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| 04:42.17 | oil | lol |
| 04:43.59 | PuffTheMagic | everytime we release something palm does |
| 04:44.25 | ajames | i'm sort of afraid of that with this ogg stuff |
| 04:44.40 | ajames | they could just support it later this week with 1.2 :) |
| 04:45.06 | dBsooner | So release a cool graphics library control |
| 04:45.07 | dBsooner | :D |
| 04:45.13 | dBsooner | Maybe they will give us WebGL |
| 04:45.41 | PuffTheMagic | GL |
| 04:45.50 | PuffTheMagic | i would be happy with decent 2d libs right now |
| 04:45.54 | Eguy | watch it ajames |
| 04:46.14 | Eguy | don't expect an os update.... just be surprised lol |
| 04:46.15 | dBsooner | oh come on.. 2d is soo old school.. 1d is where it's at. |
| 04:46.31 | PuffTheMagic | we have 1d :D |
| 04:46.36 | dBsooner | I know! |
| 04:46.36 | PuffTheMagic | terminal is 1d :D |
| 04:46.38 | dBsooner | It's the best! |
| 04:46.48 | dBsooner | No one wants/needs 2d |
| 04:46.59 | Templarian | V8-GL is what whe are going to get. |
| 04:47.25 | Eguy | we need V12 |
| 04:47.31 | Eguy | more horsepower |
| 04:47.42 | oil | and eguy is the one bitching about battery life all the time |
| 04:47.59 | Eguy | that's me! |
| 04:48.30 | oil | no, i meant the other eguy |
| 04:48.36 | Eguy | ah |
| 04:48.49 | Eguy | you mean egaudet? [old reference] |
| 04:49.19 | egaudet | lol |
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| 04:49.57 | oil | egaudet: i figured out setting the model of the sub-widget when the list widget automagically sets it up |
| 04:50.30 | oil | i put the model for the toggle button in the list item model (in with name, url, etc for the rowtemplate) |
| 04:52.01 | egaudet | nice |
| 04:52.28 | oil | yeah, it was working without hte list widget, but i really wanted to use swipe-delete for the feeds |
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| 04:52.55 | egaudet | yea swipe delete is good |
| 04:53.06 | egaudet | i saw the screenshot too :D |
| 04:53.07 | mt3ck | you guys familiar with setting up responseText from ajax to listmodel? |
| 04:53.09 | egaudet | looking good |
| 04:53.10 | PuffTheMagic | Templarian: so i could really give 2 shits about V8-GL, i want raw compiled graphics:D |
| 04:53.35 | oil | and even when they give puff that, he still wont be happy |
| 04:53.35 | oil | xD |
| 04:53.59 | egaudet | Well what puff just said was that it is at least possible that he could care about V8-GL |
| 04:54.04 | Eguy | still want's directx |
| 04:54.07 | Templarian | I would like to see a DX9 card for mobiel devices. |
| 04:54.14 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 04:54.20 | Templarian | Eguy: don't read my mind it's not nice. |
| 04:54.22 | oil | couldn't* |
| 04:54.25 | oil | :) |
| 04:54.29 | Eguy | sorry Templarian |
| 04:54.37 | Eguy | I couldn't help myself |
| 04:54.45 | PuffTheMagic | oil: ok so Monday!!! |
| 04:54.50 | oil | haha |
| 04:54.50 | Templarian | Just had to type it before I was done. :{ |
| 04:54.51 | PuffTheMagic | wIRCd |
| 04:54.52 | Eguy | I did find some rather disturbing stuff in your mind though |
| 04:54.57 | oil | yeah, i just finished eating dinner again... |
| 04:54.57 | Eguy | I won't go back |
| 04:54.58 | oil | xD |
| 04:55.03 | PuffTheMagic | oil: you will be able to connected/discoonect |
| 04:55.05 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 04:55.08 | oil | hey hey ! |
| 04:55.09 | PuffTheMagic | maybe somre more |
| 04:55.12 | oil | more then it can do right now |
| 04:55.14 | oil | which is nothing |
| 04:55.28 | PuffTheMagic | oil: no |
| 04:55.29 | PuffTheMagic | it runs |
| 04:55.32 | PuffTheMagic | and does nothing |
| 04:55.34 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 04:55.35 | oil | lol |
| 04:55.49 | dBsooner | Where is my IRC client? |
| 04:55.53 | oil | anyways, im thinking of mostly just copying the messaging app |
| 04:56.00 | PuffTheMagic | oil: ewww |
| 04:56.06 | PuffTheMagic | that shiht is ugly |
| 04:56.06 | oil | lol |
| 04:56.08 | oil | well |
| 04:56.09 | egaudet | you can't |
| 04:56.10 | oil | not in colors |
| 04:56.15 | oil | but in general look |
| 04:56.20 | oil | textbox at bottom |
| 04:56.21 | oil | text in middle |
| 04:56.22 | PuffTheMagic | ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 04:56.25 | oil | header at top with the channel name |
| 04:56.29 | Eguy | copy line by line the palm app :P |
| 04:56.35 | oil | and the button on the right will popup a list |
| 04:56.37 | oil | for like |
| 04:56.42 | oil | to see users |
| 04:56.43 | oil | or what not |
| 04:56.45 | egaudet | you aren't allowed to copy the messaging app anyway and distribute it |
| 04:56.46 | oil | that will change hte view |
| 04:56.51 | oil | when i meant copy |
| 04:56.56 | oil | when i said copy* |
| 04:56.57 | oil | i meant |
| 04:56.58 | oil | look at it |
| 04:57.01 | oil | and write my own shit |
| 04:57.02 | PuffTheMagic | oil: u never answered me about the main screen |
| 04:57.04 | egaudet | :P |
| 04:57.06 | dBsooner | oil: Copy that wmIRC look |
| 04:57.07 | oil | not copy/paste line my line |
| 04:57.08 | PuffTheMagic | about it being a server list |
| 04:57.12 | Eguy | you write in your own shit oil? |
| 04:57.17 | oil | yeah, thats fine with me |
| 04:57.22 | PuffTheMagic | oil: ok good |
| 04:57.23 | oil | and a add button at the bottom |
| 04:57.36 | PuffTheMagic | oil: swipe to delete :D |
| 04:57.45 | oil | swipe to delete is easy cheese |
| 04:58.01 | oil | thanks to mojo |
| 04:58.03 | oil | lol |
| 04:58.15 | oil | so once you connect |
| 04:58.20 | oil | it what, pops up another card |
| 04:58.22 | oil | for that connection |
| 04:58.29 | oil | with buttons for join/pm/whatever else you want |
| 04:58.32 | oil | and the status messages |
| 04:58.37 | PuffTheMagic | no buttons |
| 04:58.41 | PuffTheMagic | ewww |
| 04:58.49 | oil | they will have to type /join #asdf |
| 04:58.50 | oil | ? |
| 04:58.51 | PuffTheMagic | that can all be menu shit |
| 04:58.55 | oil | lol |
| 04:58.57 | PuffTheMagic | for channel lists |
| 04:59.05 | PuffTheMagic | screen space is valuable |
| 04:59.07 | oil | right, i wasnt thinking a list |
| 04:59.11 | PuffTheMagic | dont waste it with buttons |
| 04:59.18 | oil | lol |
| 04:59.26 | PuffTheMagic | only button on screen is the toggle for channel/nick view |
| 04:59.27 | dBsooner | menu stuff |
| 04:59.37 | dBsooner | yeah, what puff said |
| 04:59.46 | PuffTheMagic | yeah what i said :D |
| 04:59.49 | dBsooner | one gives you the channel view with your text |
| 04:59.52 | oil | dont egg puff on |
| 04:59.54 | dBsooner | the other view is the nick list |
| 04:59.59 | dBsooner | and its just a toggle button |
| 05:00.03 | PuffTheMagic | oil: its ok,, i dont need egging |
| 05:00.06 | oil | i know |
| 05:00.08 | PuffTheMagic | im automatic |
| 05:00.09 | oil | thats why im telling him not to |
| 05:00.24 | Eguy | lol |
| 05:00.47 | dBsooner | OR.. |
| 05:00.52 | *** join/#webos-internals Rubin (n=rubin@cronor.simplanet.org) |
| 05:00.53 | dBsooner | nicklist can be another card |
| 05:01.00 | oil | its going to be another view in the same card |
| 05:01.00 | dBsooner | so you can use swipes to get to them |
| 05:01.11 | PuffTheMagic | im so glad everyone thinks im a douche bag |
| 05:01.21 | oil | no, not a bag of douche |
| 05:01.33 | Eguy | hey hey now puff |
| 05:01.37 | oil | just very very strongly opinionated, with no self censoring |
| 05:01.38 | Eguy | oil is the douche here |
| 05:02.01 | dBsooner | So each channel would be their own card? |
| 05:02.04 | oil | right |
| 05:02.09 | dBsooner | hmm |
| 05:02.28 | dBsooner | luna is going to have a hay day with ram eating |
| 05:02.28 | PuffTheMagic | i have IRC Turrets |
| 05:02.41 | oil | and you can use ubermonitor to check it out xD |
| 05:02.47 | Eguy | lol |
| 05:02.47 | dBsooner | yes I can |
| 05:02.48 | dBsooner | :D |
| 05:02.51 | Eguy | was that released yet? |
| 05:02.54 | oil | no |
| 05:02.56 | oil | its just on my pc |
| 05:02.57 | oil | thats it |
| 05:03.01 | oil | i think there was a zip at one point |
| 05:03.08 | dBsooner | But I got uberservice. :D |
| 05:03.10 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: im gonna rewrite all the java shit in C |
| 05:03.10 | PuffTheMagic | some day |
| 05:03.11 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 05:03.23 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: u dont have uberservice |
| 05:03.23 | dBsooner | I need that ubermonitor zip file |
| 05:03.26 | PuffTheMagic | u have ubermonsrv |
| 05:03.31 | Eguy | luna needs to loose some weight |
| 05:03.31 | dBsooner | yeah, that |
| 05:03.33 | PuffTheMagic | uberservice isnt releaseed yet |
| 05:03.35 | PuffTheMagic | not even pushed |
| 05:03.35 | Eguy | and be less of a whore |
| 05:03.43 | PuffTheMagic | i have a super uber service in the works |
| 05:03.58 | dBsooner | luna steals things |
| 05:04.10 | oil | yeah, there is a very very incomplete gui for the service |
| 05:04.28 | PuffTheMagic | yeah cause people keep giving me more work to do |
| 05:04.32 | oil | haha |
| 05:04.40 | PuffTheMagic | i have like 5 services going and i suck at C |
| 05:04.41 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 05:04.51 | PuffTheMagic | well... im not fast at it |
| 05:04.52 | oil | and i have a bunch of apps for them going |
| 05:04.55 | oil | and im ok at js |
| 05:04.57 | dBsooner | I decided not to write that program to "rename applications, install app, move applications, delete ranemed" |
| 05:05.03 | dBsooner | to get around the 50 app limit |
| 05:05.14 | egaudet | <--- give some C work to this guy |
| 05:05.16 | dBsooner | I got some inside info that will be fixed "very soon" |
| 05:05.27 | oil | lol |
| 05:05.34 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: the git services and the restore app is gonna be sweet :D |
| 05:05.43 | dBsooner | I LOVE C |
| 05:05.49 | PuffTheMagic | i love it too |
| 05:05.49 | dBsooner | I used to program for MUDS |
| 05:05.52 | ajames | i can help with C too |
| 05:05.56 | dBsooner | all in C |
| 05:05.58 | PuffTheMagic | im just not fast at writing it |
| 05:06.04 | *** join/#webos-internals TIWizard (n=chatzill@pool-71-112-98-61.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 05:06.09 | oil | look at all these people wanting to help with your c |
| 05:06.11 | PuffTheMagic | i can bang out java real fast |
| 05:06.14 | oil | now you just need to hand some of them off |
| 05:06.18 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, I know it is :D I should probably start helping with C rather than gathering all the patches in the universe that will probably be used by no one |
| 05:06.33 | dBsooner | I use patches |
| 05:06.34 | dBsooner | :D |
| 05:06.35 | egaudet | all I do all day every day is C |
| 05:06.37 | TIWizard | Does anyone know what the file location is of the cookies? |
| 05:06.40 | egaudet | at work |
| 05:06.55 | dBsooner | its in teh cookie jar |
| 05:06.59 | egaudet | is there a mojo app using the ubermonsrv? |
| 05:07.02 | oil | there is |
| 05:07.02 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: i will redo the git server on pym so that its the same setup as repo.or.cz |
| 05:07.10 | PuffTheMagic | then it will be really easy for you all to contribute |
| 05:07.12 | egaudet | dBsooner, then go alpha test the autopatch feed! :P |
| 05:07.19 | dBsooner | NO |
| 05:07.24 | dBsooner | I don't want to break my pre tonight |
| 05:07.26 | dBsooner | :D |
| 05:07.29 | egaudet | it won't break! |
| 05:07.32 | egaudet | I semi-promise |
| 05:07.35 | dBsooner | LOL |
| 05:07.42 | egaudet | and if it does I'm 90% confident in EPR |
| 05:07.44 | dBsooner | I don't want to use EPR tonight |
| 05:07.47 | egaudet | lol |
| 05:07.50 | dBsooner | xD |
| 05:08.22 | egaudet | autopatch is unbreakable! |
| 05:08.38 | dBsooner | There is always webosdoc |
| 05:08.42 | dBsooner | jIC |
| 05:08.53 | egaudet | or repair utility |
| 05:08.56 | Eguy | Have you seen the doctor today? |
| 05:08.59 | oil | egaudet: http://i35.tinypic.com/e96bo0.png |
| 05:09.04 | oil | though, that screenshot is a lil old |
| 05:09.20 | dBsooner | gimme |
| 05:09.46 | egaudet | where is it oil? |
| 05:09.53 | oil | in my hd |
| 05:09.57 | Eguy | holy crap no wonder the pre lags |
| 05:09.57 | oil | i was going to put it on pym |
| 05:09.58 | dBsooner | lol.. 227MB of ram used... 200 of which is pWNED by LUNA |
| 05:10.06 | PuffTheMagic | oil: its not down yet |
| 05:10.08 | oil | but apparently now its going the way of the dinosaurs |
| 05:10.15 | Eguy | hacks oils computer |
| 05:10.17 | oil | not to mention the fact i could never get it to work |
| 05:10.21 | oil | i could make a zup |
| 05:10.23 | oil | zip* |
| 05:10.25 | PuffTheMagic | oil: bullshit |
| 05:10.32 | PuffTheMagic | oil: you just couldnt get git to work |
| 05:10.35 | oil | we tried for like an hour to get me to commit |
| 05:10.35 | oil | yeah |
| 05:10.37 | oil | idk wtf |
| 05:10.43 | PuffTheMagic | oil: do you want me to make services wor work on git? |
| 05:10.45 | PuffTheMagic | which one? |
| 05:10.48 | egaudet | put the ipk somewheres |
| 05:10.49 | oil | exactly |
| 05:10.58 | oil | which is why i never brought it up again |
| 05:10.58 | oil | well |
| 05:10.59 | oil | until now |
| 05:11.01 | PuffTheMagic | i will fix git |
| 05:11.05 | oil | dont |
| 05:11.10 | oil | work on irc or ubermonsrv or something |
| 05:11.11 | oil | xD |
| 05:11.18 | PuffTheMagic | its ubersercice now |
| 05:11.24 | oil | lol |
| 05:11.28 | PuffTheMagic | since it is more than a monitor |
| 05:11.35 | egaudet | so oil, the listing of feeds is hardcoded? |
| 05:11.41 | PuffTheMagic | its gonna change acceleromter shit and cpufreq shit |
| 05:11.56 | oil | its in the service |
| 05:11.56 | oil | well |
| 05:11.58 | oil | its in its postinst |
| 05:12.02 | oil | i believe |
| 05:12.16 | oil | PuffTheMagic: im fine with that |
| 05:12.31 | oil | the app will just be what |
| 05:12.32 | oil | uber? |
| 05:12.33 | PuffTheMagic | oil: and any other tunable |
| 05:12.37 | PuffTheMagic | that people find |
| 05:12.45 | oil | "uberSomethingSomething" |
| 05:12.46 | egaudet | Could the service parse /var/etc/ipkg/ and send you a list of feeds that are installed |
| 05:12.54 | oil | egaudet: it does |
| 05:12.59 | dBsooner | Who cares about the service is no one writes a front end UI for it. ;) |
| 05:13.02 | oil | i load the packages by feed |
| 05:13.06 | egaudet | autopatch isn't listed |
| 05:13.12 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: me and oil are tag team |
| 05:13.13 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 05:13.18 | egaudet | I mean when i hit feeds from available applications |
| 05:13.19 | PuffTheMagic | i do the service he do the gui |
| 05:13.26 | oil | its not in the package manager service postinst? |
| 05:13.37 | oil | ive installed the autopatch feed manually on the emu |
| 05:13.40 | oil | and it shows in the feeds list |
| 05:13.43 | oil | it loads them |
| 05:13.47 | PuffTheMagic | wishes the emu worked |
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| 05:13.52 | oil | oh |
| 05:13.53 | oil | from there |
| 05:13.56 | oil | well |
| 05:14.01 | PuffTheMagic | my kernel is too new and dont have pulseaudio |
| 05:14.02 | dBsooner | is the autopatch feed on the wiki? |
| 05:14.03 | oil | available applications isnt patches |
| 05:14.05 | oil | its applications |
| 05:14.07 | PuffTheMagic | i cant build the vbox modules |
| 05:14.15 | egaudet | dBsooner, no it's alpha |
| 05:14.19 | dBsooner | good |
| 05:14.19 | PuffTheMagic | i need to hack the emulator jar to disable pulse |
| 05:14.22 | oil | it wont show unless there is a app in the feed |
| 05:14.24 | egaudet | good!? |
| 05:14.31 | dBsooner | good that its not on there yet |
| 05:14.34 | dBsooner | as it's alpha |
| 05:14.34 | dBsooner | ;) |
| 05:14.40 | egaudet | oil, well you don't know what's in a custom added feed |
| 05:14.42 | dBsooner | give me the feed |
| 05:14.49 | egaudet | so how do you know what feed supplies what |
| 05:14.54 | oil | i do |
| 05:14.55 | oil | when i load them |
| 05:15.05 | oil | each package has "feed: this feed" |
| 05:15.12 | oil | when i grab the grouped list for applications |
| 05:15.18 | egaudet | so if i put one thing in autopatch with Type: Application, then it would appear in feeds view on available applications? |
| 05:15.19 | oil | i say, give me all the feeds from package type: applications" |
| 05:15.22 | oil | right |
| 05:15.34 | egaudet | oh ok that's... awesome |
| 05:15.43 | oil | was that sarcasm? |
| 05:15.45 | oil | i cant tell |
| 05:15.54 | egaudet | dBsooner, http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all/ |
| 05:15.58 | dBsooner | ty |
| 05:16.01 | egaudet | oil no |
| 05:16.03 | oil | ok |
| 05:16.10 | dBsooner | goes to uninstall all patches from QuickInstall |
| 05:16.14 | egaudet | really is awesome :D |
| 05:16.15 | PuffTheMagic | oil: u need to make /sarcasm work in wIRC :D |
| 05:16.17 | oil | if you switch your main scene to "show all package types" |
| 05:16.29 | oil | and you go into there |
| 05:16.31 | oil | and go to feeds |
| 05:16.36 | oil | you'll see autopatch |
| 05:17.27 | egaudet | still don't see autopatch |
| 05:17.41 | oil | hmm |
| 05:17.43 | oil | your right |
| 05:17.45 | oil | lol |
| 05:17.50 | egaudet | let me build latest preware |
| 05:18.02 | egaudet | i have 0.9.1 from yesterday or 2 days ago |
| 05:18.07 | dBsooner | egaudet: you think stripping all patches out via QuickInstall is sufficient, or should I doctor? |
| 05:18.10 | PuffTheMagic | oil: u need to make the feed list scroll or something |
| 05:18.13 | oil | i just pushed a fix to the default sorting |
| 05:18.15 | PuffTheMagic | the list is overflowing now |
| 05:18.21 | oil | that list isnt in the newest version |
| 05:18.26 | oil | its got the way better list |
| 05:18.31 | egaudet | dBsooner, strip em out is fine, and even if you don't the autopatch feed packages should simply fial to install and do nothing nasty |
| 05:18.34 | egaudet | fail* |
| 05:18.42 | oil | that list was temporary |
| 05:18.47 | dBsooner | "should" |
| 05:18.54 | oil | when rwhitby was like we should be able to see the feeds" |
| 05:19.00 | oil | so i slapped that in |
| 05:19.03 | egaudet | and if you really want to be clean, use the repair utility after removing tweaks to make sure everyhing is stock, no need to complete doctor |
| 05:19.21 | egaudet | yea well everything in software is "should" to me |
| 05:19.35 | oil | hmm |
| 05:19.42 | dBsooner | jason's repair util? |
| 05:19.46 | egaudet | yea |
| 05:19.48 | dBsooner | k |
| 05:19.57 | dBsooner | all that does is check MD5 sums, no? |
| 05:20.01 | oil | egaudet: they show in the webos internals feed |
| 05:20.13 | oil | do you have that in the metadata? |
| 05:20.39 | egaudet | dBsooner, no it also lets you "repair" any files that md5sum doens't match |
| 05:20.52 | egaudet | it extracts from the doctor and updates the files that it detects aren't right |
| 05:20.53 | oil | the feed list in the package group scene is compiled from the feed value in the medata |
| 05:20.58 | oil | not from the actual feed it comes from |
| 05:21.08 | dBsooner | i didn't think it could because that would be distributing palm's files |
| 05:21.13 | egaudet | what feed value? |
| 05:21.13 | dBsooner | OHHH.. it uses the doctor |
| 05:21.14 | dBsooner | nice |
| 05:21.42 | oil | egaudet http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Packaging_Standards |
| 05:21.50 | oil | in the source table |
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| 05:22.19 | Bouquet | Anyone got a sec to help diagnose an email issue? |
| 05:23.53 | egaudet | k I'll change the feed for the patch packages on the next version bump |
| 05:24.02 | oil | but in the newest preware |
| 05:24.06 | oil | if you go to preferences |
| 05:24.11 | oil | then in its app menu is feeds |
| 05:24.12 | dBsooner | I want newest preware. :D |
| 05:24.20 | egaudet | build it |
| 05:24.23 | oil | thats where the new feed list is |
| 05:24.27 | oil | dBsooner: its in the repo |
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| 05:25.26 | PuffTheMagic | starts catching up on old entourages |
| 05:25.45 | oil | that doesnt sound like "working on services" |
| 05:25.46 | oil | xD |
| 05:25.56 | oil | egaudet: ubermonapp ipk http://omploader.org/vMmZpNA/ubermonitor0.0.1.ipk |
| 05:26.02 | PuffTheMagic | oil: i cant write C after 3 manhattans |
| 05:26.10 | oil | only 3 buttons on the main scene actually work |
| 05:26.14 | oil | memory, battery, service test |
| 05:26.26 | PuffTheMagic | diskstats work in the sercice now |
| 05:26.28 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 05:26.36 | PuffTheMagic | gonna add some net shit soon |
| 05:26.41 | oil | waits for puff to build him an ipk so he can work with it |
| 05:27.00 | PuffTheMagic | oil: i need to get subscriptions working with the 3rd rewrite :D |
| 05:27.06 | oil | lol |
| 05:27.06 | PuffTheMagic | but now its 1 subscription per group |
| 05:27.12 | oil | much more better |
| 05:27.13 | PuffTheMagic | so u eget all memory shit in one call |
| 05:27.27 | oil | too bad that also means i need to rewrite shit |
| 05:27.36 | oil | and by rewrite, i mean, stripp out a bunch of calls |
| 05:27.38 | oil | lol |
| 05:27.51 | oil | brb |
| 05:28.05 | PuffTheMagic | yea yeah... my apps evolve as a write them |
| 05:28.30 | egaudet | btw I updated the applauncher reset scroll on page change patch on the wiki and added it to gitorious (and autopatch feed) if anyone cares |
| 05:28.51 | egaudet | I like it, I can't stand the applauncher remembering the scroll position on pages |
| 05:31.26 | oil | lol |
| 05:31.34 | oil | your patches need icons, too xD |
| 05:31.56 | egaudet | They aren't my patches :P |
| 05:32.23 | egaudet | but yea they do need icons |
| 05:32.36 | egaudet | and half of them still have ??? for description |
| 05:32.39 | oil | and we can use palms icons if we edit them right? |
| 05:33.08 | egaudet | i dunno |
| 05:33.43 | oil | so like, this patch edits the browser, the icon is the browser icon, in like grayscale or something |
| 05:33.51 | oil | with little patch-icon in the bottom right corner |
| 05:35.09 | oil | anyone with more knowledge of licensing/etc care to chime in? |
| 05:35.31 | dBsooner | I would assume as long as you change it in some way |
| 05:35.34 | dBsooner | that's all that amtters. |
| 05:35.39 | dBsooner | It can't be an exact replica |
| 05:35.48 | dBsooner | mirror it |
| 05:36.04 | dBsooner | in other words, rotate it 180 degrees. ;) |
| 05:36.13 | oil | 360? |
| 05:36.35 | dBsooner | lol |
| 05:36.35 | dBsooner | sure |
| 05:36.41 | dBsooner | but that would be an exact replica |
| 05:36.41 | dBsooner | ;) |
| 05:37.38 | egaudet | ping Decimation |
| 05:37.56 | PuffTheMagic | oil: u need to put that 360 in the trash |
| 05:38.30 | oil | psh |
| 05:38.41 | egaudet | The 360 is a fat pile of crap, but xbox live is where it's at |
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| 05:38.55 | egaudet | I'm waiting on a new dvd-rom so I can play games again |
| 05:39.09 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 05:39.14 | egaudet | stupid worthlessly designed |
| 05:40.32 | oil | yeah |
| 05:40.36 | oil | ive replaced my dvd drive |
| 05:40.51 | oil | and fixed e74 |
| 05:40.51 | egaudet | what's e74 |
| 05:40.55 | oil | one red quadrent |
| 05:41.07 | egaudet | what dvd drive do you have? |
| 05:41.16 | oil | i dont know off the top of my head |
| 05:41.19 | oil | my box is a launch-box though |
| 05:41.22 | oil | whatever was the first one |
| 05:41.31 | oil | i had to go through all the firmware hacking bs |
| 05:41.38 | oil | just to copy my firmware from the broken drive to the new one |
| 05:41.43 | egaudet | yea that's what i know will piss me off |
| 05:41.44 | oil | so i wouldnt get banned online |
| 05:41.55 | oil | i ended up buying a sata card |
| 05:42.00 | oil | my onboard wasnt compatible |
| 05:42.07 | egaudet | I hope my onboard is compatible |
| 05:42.16 | oil | but $30 for the drive, and $15? for the card was less then a new box |
| 05:42.18 | oil | so it was worth it |
| 05:42.47 | egaudet | yea, I got the drive for $25 |
| 05:42.55 | oil | yeah, something like that |
| 05:42.59 | oil | it was like a year ago when i did it |
| 05:43.05 | egaudet | I'll get an elite eventually but i need to play for now! i just bought madden too |
| 05:43.20 | egaudet | damn dvd drive won't work enough to even install the game |
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| 05:44.04 | oil | lol |
| 05:44.07 | oil | yeah |
| 05:44.13 | oil | my drive scratched gta4 to shit |
| 05:44.16 | egaudet | 30%... dirty disc! |
| 05:44.18 | oil | when the dlc came out |
| 05:44.27 | oil | i got hte new drive |
| 05:44.27 | PuffTheMagic | gta4 was shit anyway |
| 05:44.32 | oil | and copied by friends to the hd |
| 05:44.34 | oil | and played it like that |
| 05:44.42 | oil | gta4 is a good game |
| 05:44.48 | PuffTheMagic | no |
| 05:44.53 | oil | i think* |
| 05:44.54 | PuffTheMagic | all the other gta's were good |
| 05:44.55 | egaudet | yea I'm taking my hdd to a buddy's and installing madden on it wihle i wait for this drive to ge tshipped from china |
| 05:44.57 | PuffTheMagic | 4 sucked |
| 05:44.57 | oil | i could care less what you think |
| 05:44.58 | oil | lol |
| 05:45.07 | oil | couldnt* |
| 05:45.08 | oil | damn |
| 05:45.10 | PuffTheMagic | the new need for speed looks amazing though |
| 05:45.18 | oil | is not a racing game fan |
| 05:45.24 | PuffTheMagic | and gta5 |
| 05:45.24 | egaudet | call of duty... november |
| 05:45.25 | oil | but that doesn't mean im going to say it sucks |
| 05:45.26 | PuffTheMagic | errr |
| 05:45.27 | PuffTheMagic | gt5 |
| 05:45.29 | PuffTheMagic | cant wait |
| 05:45.51 | egaudet | the good (even number) call of duty devs :D |
| 05:46.02 | oil | lolol |
| 05:46.05 | oil | http://i34.tinypic.com/2v2xnva.png |
| 05:46.08 | oil | is my patch icon idea |
| 05:46.15 | oil | idk if it breaks laws or anything though |
| 05:46.41 | egaudet | i like it if we can do it |
| 05:46.42 | dBsooner | mirror it! |
| 05:46.54 | oil | i wish someone who knew for sure would chime in |
| 05:46.56 | dBsooner | Wait |
| 05:47.00 | dBsooner | You can |
| 05:47.04 | oil | im totally not going to waste the time on more if we cant |
| 05:47.05 | dBsooner | the theme's haven't been taken down |
| 05:47.22 | dBsooner | And the theme's redistribute the same icons in various colors |
| 05:47.27 | dBsooner | so I am SURE it's ok |
| 05:47.32 | oil | not taken down YET doesnt mean anything |
| 05:47.36 | oil | besides they're a little slow |
| 05:47.43 | dBsooner | They haven't even been yelled at |
| 05:47.45 | dBsooner | or about |
| 05:47.59 | oil | i dont think "they're doing it!" is a good enough defense |
| 05:48.35 | dBsooner | lol |
| 05:48.36 | dBsooner | sure it is |
| 05:48.50 | dBsooner | Ask rod |
| 05:49.18 | oil | egaudet: when we get someone in the know to say yay or nay on the matter ill whip em all up if they say yay |
| 05:49.47 | egaudet | sounds good to me :D |
| 05:49.58 | oil | well |
| 05:50.01 | oil | for all those that have icons |
| 05:50.08 | oil | app launcher doesnt have one |
| 05:50.09 | oil | well |
| 05:50.13 | oil | i guess we could use the up arrow |
| 05:50.19 | oil | framework though? |
| 05:50.20 | egaudet | yea we'll need a "luna" icon |
| 05:50.22 | oil | dont think there is an icon |
| 05:50.42 | oil | we could just use the moon |
| 05:50.45 | oil | a moon image* |
| 05:50.51 | dBsooner | no.. Use a Ram chip |
| 05:50.56 | dBsooner | cuz she's a ram stealing whore |
| 05:50.58 | egaudet | applauncher, luna, frameworks are the 3 we'll need |
| 05:59.53 | dBsooner | Hey oil |
| 05:59.58 | oil | ? |
| 06:00.13 | dBsooner | I just built and install 0.9.1 and now PW thinks 3 of my packages are out of date.. |
| 06:00.29 | dBsooner | Internalz/FileMgr Service and Weatherman |
| 06:01.18 | dBsooner | ANy ideas as why? |
| 06:01.31 | oil | no clue |
| 06:01.36 | dBsooner | good show |
| 06:01.39 | oil | what version do you have installed/what version does it say is new? |
| 06:01.52 | dBsooner | Filemgr service = 0.1.1 for both |
| 06:02.26 | dBsooner | Weather = 1.0.5 for both |
| 06:02.46 | dBsooner | hmm |
| 06:02.54 | dBsooner | now it says 1.0.3 for installed |
| 06:03.08 | dBsooner | i'll just update |
| 06:05.08 | oil | egaudet: i just whipped up a photoshop action and batch processed the icons |
| 06:05.14 | oil | so, when we know ill upload a zip for ya |
| 06:05.41 | egaudet | :D nice |
| 06:07.06 | oil | lol |
| 06:07.10 | oil | if you look at gnu patch in preware |
| 06:07.15 | oil | its got the list of dependent packages |
| 06:07.19 | oil | they're all the stock icons right now |
| 06:07.24 | oil | except the keyboard |
| 06:07.25 | oil | lol |
| 06:08.35 | oil | but the optware bootstrap has a bunch with templarians sexy icons |
| 06:10.05 | egaudet | where can i see dependent packages |
| 06:12.53 | *** join/#webos-internals yokken (n=yokken@vpn0-27.vpn.umn.edu) |
| 06:13.12 | oil | when you're looking at the app |
| 06:13.15 | oil | its like the screenshots |
| 06:13.16 | oil | at the top |
| 06:13.21 | oil | but app icons |
| 06:14.00 | oil | does your pre still have that update not showing as an update bug? |
| 06:14.02 | yokken | hai oil |
| 06:14.06 | yokken | you're still here |
| 06:14.15 | oil | its only 11 |
| 06:14.24 | egaudet | update not what who? |
| 06:14.31 | oil | you had it with the keyboard |
| 06:14.38 | oil | where there was an update, but preware didnt show it |
| 06:14.42 | egaudet | i thought that was a feature |
| 06:14.57 | oil | lol |
| 06:14.57 | egaudet | or no wait i don't think i ever saw that bug? |
| 06:14.57 | oil | i was going to attempt to fix it and wanted to know if you would be able to test it |
| 06:15.02 | oil | oh ok |
| 06:15.19 | yokken | i just mean, from when i left... |
| 06:15.19 | yokken | i left like 3 hours ago |
| 06:15.19 | yokken | oil, have you tried out the video recording? |
| 06:15.31 | oil | no |
| 06:15.51 | oil | i might when it actually uses a plugin to display whats being recorded in a card |
| 06:16.05 | egaudet | oil so the top on installed packages is a list of dependent packages and uninstalled packages show screenshots? |
| 06:16.16 | oil | no |
| 06:16.42 | oil | each package that has packages dependent on it |
| 06:16.42 | oil | shows the icons |
| 06:16.42 | oil | like normal apps show screenshots |
| 06:16.42 | oil | go to the all list |
| 06:16.52 | oil | and search for optware |
| 06:16.57 | oil | then open that package to view it |
| 06:17.06 | oil | at the top, there is a list of packages dependent on it |
| 06:17.11 | oil | above the description |
| 06:18.34 | *** join/#webos-internals ir0nic (n=yokken@x-146-57-80-86.mrs.umn.edu) |
| 06:18.37 | oil | you see it? |
| 06:18.47 | ir0nic | okay. so i'm back |
| 06:18.49 | ir0nic | fucking vpn |
| 06:19.42 | ir0nic | oil, have you tried video recording? |
| 06:19.51 | oil | no |
| 06:19.55 | ir0nic | why not |
| 06:20.05 | oil | because? |
| 06:20.23 | oil | maybe i will when it uses a plugin to display whats being recorded |
| 06:20.27 | ir0nic | hahaha |
| 06:20.33 | ir0nic | it's not that hard |
| 06:20.45 | ir0nic | superimpose the record and stop buttons on the camera app |
| 06:20.51 | ir0nic | i just don't know how to do that :P |
| 06:22.35 | egaudet | oil, so dependents override screenshots? |
| 06:22.42 | oil | nevermind |
| 06:23.18 | oil | i was just pointing out that hte gnu patch package had all the patch packages listed |
| 06:23.24 | oil | with no icon |
| 06:23.32 | oil | and how it would look better when they all had icons |
| 06:24.10 | egaudet | right I get that, i was just wondering what if a package was an app with screenshots and for some reason others depending on it |
| 06:24.28 | oil | right now screenshots are checked first |
| 06:24.29 | oil | so those would show |
| 06:24.36 | ir0nic | any of you guys know of a mobile text editor that allows me to write to the internal filesystem? |
| 06:24.37 | oil | i plan to change it so it would do both if it has both |
| 06:24.40 | oil | but havent gotten to ti yet |
| 06:25.00 | ir0nic | it'd be nice to have an editor to edit scripts on the go, then do stuff with them in terminal, etc |
| 06:25.12 | *** join/#webos-internals heisenman (n=heisenma@adsl-76-254-33-188.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 06:25.14 | oil | in terminal you could use vi |
| 06:25.16 | ir0nic | if it saves to the home directory that's fine, i just need a text editor |
| 06:25.22 | egaudet | vi |
| 06:25.26 | ir0nic | i tried that, but i can't use arrow keys guys |
| 06:25.28 | oil | i dont think anyone has made a text editor app yet |
| 06:25.33 | oil | hold the gesture area |
| 06:25.37 | oil | and use the numpad-area |
| 06:25.41 | ir0nic | rly? |
| 06:25.44 | oil | yeah |
| 06:25.47 | egaudet | why do you need arrow keys? |
| 06:25.48 | oil | there is a list of special keys |
| 06:25.59 | oil | egaudet: to move through the file to edit the part you want |
| 06:26.00 | ir0nic | arrow keys to navigate...? |
| 06:26.05 | ir0nic | lol |
| 06:26.10 | egaudet | vi doesn't need arrow keys |
| 06:26.14 | oil | you could just :linenum |
| 06:26.16 | egaudet | it starts in command mode |
| 06:26.23 | egaudet | j is down |
| 06:26.24 | egaudet | k is up |
| 06:26.28 | oil | that too |
| 06:26.29 | oil | lol |
| 06:26.31 | ir0nic | i know a limited amount of vi commands, i apologize |
| 06:26.34 | egaudet | h left |
| 06:26.35 | egaudet | l right |
| 06:26.40 | ir0nic | how do i stop editing once i hit i? |
| 06:26.46 | oil | escape |
| 06:26.48 | ir0nic | ... |
| 06:26.49 | ir0nic | on the pre |
| 06:26.49 | egaudet | i to get to insert mode |
| 06:26.55 | egaudet | esc to back to command mode |
| 06:26.55 | oil | its on the wiki |
| 06:27.05 | egaudet | and i'm slow at responding and repeating oil at this point |
| 06:27.11 | ir0nic | egaudet, do you know how to hit esc on the pre? |
| 06:27.19 | egaudet | not offhand |
| 06:27.21 | oil | i dont remember what escape is off the top of my head |
| 06:27.30 | ir0nic | wouldn't it be sort of essential? |
| 06:27.38 | oil | i rarely use terminal on my pre |
| 06:27.45 | oil | and when i do, i look it up what it is |
| 06:27.59 | ir0nic | haha, fair enough |
| 06:28.05 | oil | actually |
| 06:28.15 | oil | i think i copied the list to a memo |
| 06:28.16 | ir0nic | question: is there a way to forward individual texts, or copy text FROM an sms text? |
| 06:28.21 | oil | so i pop that open in another card when im using it |
| 06:28.22 | ir0nic | i can't seem to select any text |
| 06:28.30 | oil | no, and no |
| 06:28.35 | ir0nic | fffffffffffff |
| 06:28.38 | egaudet | there's a message forward patch isnt' their? |
| 06:28.41 | oil | maybe |
| 06:28.44 | ir0nic | *there |
| 06:28.44 | oil | i dont sms much |
| 06:29.22 | oil | i only sms with people who sms me first cause they're addicted to messaging |
| 06:29.26 | ir0nic | generic CDMA questions for you guys since i have been a gsm guy my entire life |
| 06:29.37 | oil | im a "just call the person and get it overwith in seconds" person |
| 06:29.42 | punzada | It was fun having my brother message me earlier today 'picture text me something i want to test to see if this works' |
| 06:29.42 | ir0nic | 1xRTT = 1x? RTT = what? 1xEV = evdo rev.0? |
| 06:29.47 | punzada | silly iphone people |
| 06:29.55 | oil | lol |
| 06:30.01 | ir0nic | too lazy to google |
| 06:30.04 | dBsooner | what was that? |
| 06:30.11 | oil | i tried to send someone a pic once and it didnt go through |
| 06:30.16 | oil | and they didnt have an iphone |
| 06:30.22 | oil | i think it was the pre barfing |
| 06:30.31 | ir0nic | my pre is so unpredictable |
| 06:30.50 | ir0nic | it won't have any apps running and i'll open sms and it'll take me like 5 seconds from tapping to actually get to typing |
| 06:30.59 | ir0nic | and then like 30 minutes later it'll be instantly responsive |
| 06:30.59 | punzada | I played word ace while driving home today, that probably wasn't the safest of things to do |
| 06:31.24 | egaudet | there was this girl who was walking and texting |
| 06:31.33 | psykoz | At least it isn't as bad as ircing while driving |
| 06:31.38 | egaudet | and they were doing sewer work and went on lunch break |
| 06:31.45 | egaudet | and she fell in the sewer while she was texting |
| 06:31.46 | yokken | i have never heard of that, psykoz |
| 06:31.52 | punzada | psykoz: I had irssi open in the other card >> |
| 06:31.57 | egaudet | don't drive or even walk while intexticated |
| 06:31.59 | punzada | wasn't really typing in it though |
| 06:32.08 | yokken | lol |
| 06:32.10 | psykoz | :) |
| 06:33.15 | yokken | orange-space is escape. i see. |
| 06:33.23 | oil | there ya go |
| 06:33.30 | yokken | took me long enough to find it |
| 06:35.38 | *** part/#webos-internals JackieRipper (n=jackieri@cpe-24-29-52-250.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 06:35.59 | yokken | oh my goodness |
| 06:36.13 | yokken | something i did in terminal just borked my pre |
| 06:36.19 | oil | that sucks |
| 06:36.55 | yokken | well something borked but that is fine |
| 06:36.58 | yokken | now i know how to edit etc |
| 06:37.07 | yokken | brb gotta poop |
| 06:37.26 | dBsooner | seriously? you said that? |
| 06:41.44 | yokken | duh |
| 06:41.50 | yokken | i are back from pooping |
| 06:42.14 | yokken | turns out my roommate was brushing his teeth and suddenly had to poop as well, so we had a nice chat while pooping simultaneously in different stalls |
| 06:42.29 | yokken | we found the resonant frequency of the air between the walls of the stalls |
| 06:42.34 | yokken | his voice goes low enough |
| 06:42.41 | yokken | he made it echo so much. it was awesome. |
| 06:45.28 | dBsooner | Ok.. got another good one for ya'll |
| 06:45.50 | dBsooner | I get a wierd error trying to install patches from the autopatch feed.. and even trying to install the EPR, I get the following: |
| 06:46.34 | dBsooner | ErrorGenericMethodException: Failure during 'remount' operation |
| 06:46.35 | dBsooner | mount: mounting /dev/mapper/store-root on / failed: Device or resource busy |
| 06:47.06 | yokken | i'm guessing you're smart enough to try and do the mount function yourself, right? |
| 06:48.02 | dBsooner | Why answer a question with a question? |
| 06:48.16 | yokken | try doing the mount operation yourself. |
| 06:48.22 | *** join/#webos-internals hmagoo (n=hmagoo@71.102.6.199) |
| 06:50.09 | dBsooner | Well, that did exactly nothing for me. |
| 06:50.22 | dBsooner | Because it output the exact same thign I just typed. |
| 06:50.34 | dBsooner | mount: mounting /dev/mapper/store-root on / failed: Device or resource busy |
| 06:50.53 | hmagoo | reboot |
| 06:51.00 | dBsooner | no |
| 06:51.06 | dBsooner | that's hogwash |
| 06:51.40 | yokken | okay, uh |
| 06:51.50 | yokken | so you did "mount -o remount,rw /"? |
| 06:52.02 | yokken | did it give you a failure during remount operation? |
| 06:52.07 | yokken | and are you doing this as root? |
| 06:52.09 | dBsooner | I am rebooting |
| 06:52.25 | dBsooner | and yes, if you tried it as a normal user it would say, "only root can do that" |
| 06:52.38 | *** join/#webos-internals Decimation_ (n=Decimati@d192-24-56-160.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 06:52.59 | yokken | i had to ask |
| 06:53.30 | hmagoo | if you're talking about trying to mount I had that same message before and IIRC I rebooted |
| 06:55.17 | dBsooner | rebooted, isntalling EPR |
| 06:55.46 | dBsooner | well... maybe |
| 06:56.18 | yokken | wuts epr? |
| 06:57.26 | egaudet | "Emergency Patch Recovery" |
| 06:57.28 | dBsooner | Emergency Patch Recovery |
| 06:57.56 | dBsooner | DOH |
| 06:58.04 | dBsooner | Need to add something to EPR |
| 06:58.05 | yokken | :O |
| 06:58.13 | yokken | is that something everyone should have? |
| 06:58.17 | egaudet | no |
| 06:58.19 | egaudet | not yet |
| 06:58.25 | egaudet | and you can't really have it |
| 06:58.30 | dBsooner | if (patchesfound == '0') { return done } |
| 06:58.31 | egaudet | it's a self-removing package |
| 06:58.50 | dBsooner | otherwise it gives an error 4 |
| 06:58.55 | egaudet | what? |
| 06:59.00 | dBsooner | for No patches found. |
| 06:59.15 | egaudet | oh yea maybe i should change the return value for that case |
| 06:59.20 | dBsooner | yes |
| 06:59.25 | yokken | but when it comes out, will people want to have it? |
| 06:59.38 | egaudet | Thing is if you are running epr but have no patches installed... WHY!? :p |
| 06:59.49 | dBsooner | Everything webos-internals releases everyone wants |
| 06:59.55 | yokken | not necessarily |
| 07:00.00 | dBsooner | TO MAKE SURE egaudet! |
| 07:00.01 | dBsooner | sheesh |
| 07:00.10 | yokken | what autopatches are there? |
| 07:00.16 | yokken | i've only seen virtual keyboard in preware... |
| 07:00.18 | egaudet | lol dBsooner, you win, i remove the error case soon |
| 07:00.23 | yokken | every other patch is a huge pain in the ass to do |
| 07:00.28 | egaudet | yokken, there are close to 40 patche sin the feed right now |
| 07:00.33 | yokken | WAT |
| 07:00.36 | egaudet | ;) |
| 07:00.47 | dBsooner | 43 |
| 07:00.52 | dBsooner | 43 to be exact |
| 07:00.56 | dBsooner | but 1 doesn't work |
| 07:00.56 | yokken | might i ask how i view these patches |
| 07:01.04 | dBsooner | With magic. :D |
| 07:01.10 | yokken | i got my pre literally 2 weeks ago |
| 07:01.11 | egaudet | and the epr is a self-removing package that you can "install" via preware that will wipe out all the patches and restore from backup files that you installed |
| 07:01.13 | yokken | so bear with me |
| 07:01.24 | egaudet | you can help alpha test it yokken :D |
| 07:01.30 | dBsooner | hehehehe |
| 07:01.32 | yokken | haha okay |
| 07:01.38 | egaudet | you got linux access |
| 07:01.42 | yokken | duh |
| 07:01.48 | dBsooner | first you have to ssh to your pre and type: rm -rf / |
| 07:01.51 | yokken | root, ssh, sftp, the whole shebang |
| 07:02.00 | yokken | oh okay 1 sec |
| 07:02.18 | yokken | WTF HAPPENING |
| 07:02.23 | egaudet | add http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all/ |
| 07:02.27 | hmagoo | no dude don't type that |
| 07:02.36 | dBsooner | he didn't.. |
| 07:02.47 | yokken | no fucking shit i didn't |
| 07:02.52 | yokken | i'm not an idiot :P |
| 07:02.54 | dBsooner | language |
| 07:02.55 | dBsooner | ;) |
| 07:02.56 | hmagoo | I did yuo bastards |
| 07:02.59 | hmagoo | heh |
| 07:03.06 | yokken | please enlighten me--how do i add feeds |
| 07:03.14 | dBsooner | ssh to your pre |
| 07:03.17 | dBsooner | sudo su - |
| 07:03.17 | yokken | ah. |
| 07:03.23 | egaudet | echo "src/gz autopatch http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all" > /var/etc/ipkg/autopatch.conf |
| 07:03.37 | dBsooner | then type what egaudet said |
| 07:03.49 | dBsooner | then launch preware |
| 07:03.52 | yokken | oh my. |
| 07:04.29 | egaudet | ok charcounter patch updated in feed.... tell me if it works and does what it should after a luna restart |
| 07:04.32 | hmagoo | I would hate to use the doctor, but crap my pre is all kids of sluggish sometimes... maybe something is fubared |
| 07:04.55 | dBsooner | its luna |
| 07:05.06 | dBsooner | mine gets sluggish as hell at times too |
| 07:05.08 | hmagoo | because I have 122 apps installed? |
| 07:05.15 | dBsooner | but sometimes its just because java is restarting |
| 07:05.26 | yokken | i know linux commands decently well but can you just tell me what the echo and src/gz does? |
| 07:05.38 | hmagoo | yeah I know when it is restarting, but, I'm getting pretty crappy multi-tasking overall |
| 07:05.47 | dBsooner | that is creating a file |
| 07:05.52 | yokken | is it just taking whatever the autopatch stuff does and writing it to /var/etc/ipkg/autopatch.conf? |
| 07:06.06 | dBsooner | it is putting the stuff between the " " into the file /var/etc/ipkg/autopatch.conf |
| 07:06.12 | egaudet | yokken, echo just echos whatever you put after it to stdout |
| 07:06.12 | yokken | ah okay |
| 07:06.23 | egaudet | so echo "hello there" just throws hello there to stdout |
| 07:06.31 | yokken | and the > writes? |
| 07:06.43 | egaudet | and then "> file" means redirect stdout into NEW file |
| 07:06.45 | dBsooner | it tells it to write to whatever is after > |
| 07:06.53 | egaudet | ">> file" would mean append stdout to existing file |
| 07:06.55 | dBsooner | sometimes you see > /dev/null |
| 07:06.58 | yokken | i've written in php, python, c++, scheme, etc, and played with linux for the past ten years or so |
| 07:07.07 | yokken | like, i know echo etc |
| 07:07.12 | yokken | i just don't know some syntaxes |
| 07:07.33 | yokken | > /dev/null is like running a command and you have to stdout to something, but you just stdout to... null. nothing. |
| 07:07.37 | yokken | yes? |
| 07:07.39 | dBsooner | woot.. patch installed |
| 07:07.55 | egaudet | yea yokken in effect just throws your stdout away |
| 07:07.58 | dBsooner | right.. your saying to dump your stdout to null |
| 07:08.10 | yokken | cool |
| 07:08.19 | yokken | i found the pager nagger script tonight |
| 07:08.23 | yokken | almost jumped for joy, literally |
| 07:08.38 | dBsooner | good and bad news egaudet |
| 07:09.00 | dBsooner | good news is it partially works |
| 07:09.07 | dBsooner | bad news is it only partially works |
| 07:09.13 | egaudet | it being |
| 07:09.18 | dBsooner | char count |
| 07:09.22 | hmagoo | in google voice if you type a long sms in the character counter changes to "Really?" heh |
| 07:09.30 | egaudet | what doesn't work about it |
| 07:09.33 | dBsooner | it created the little dot for the character count to be put in |
| 07:09.35 | yokken | i <3 google |
| 07:09.41 | dBsooner | but there is no number in the dot |
| 07:10.30 | yokken | do you guys use the pager nagger script combined with crond to get longer notifications for texts? |
| 07:11.12 | yokken | error installing [4] = ? |
| 07:11.15 | egaudet | ok well i'll keep that in mind dBsooner but the more important aspect is that the installations and uninstallations go smooth |
| 07:11.35 | dBsooner | yokken, view log |
| 07:11.41 | hmagoo | wonder if I am going to regret not installing palm apps before the catalog goes pay |
| 07:11.44 | dBsooner | whats listed after Failed |
| 07:11.46 | egaudet | I'll fix it another time, or the patch creator can fix it or let me know how i scrwed up |
| 07:12.02 | yokken | failure after postinst |
| 07:12.11 | yokken | patching a file, hunk #2 failed |
| 07:12.11 | egaudet | error 4 is always postinst failure |
| 07:12.16 | egaudet | what patch yokken |
| 07:12.22 | yokken | character counter |
| 07:12.27 | yokken | and forwarding patch as well |
| 07:12.48 | egaudet | they both fail? have you patched the messaging app manually or another way? |
| 07:12.49 | dBsooner | do you already have those installed? |
| 07:12.58 | yokken | no, i don't |
| 07:13.06 | yokken | i installed one patch... umm |
| 07:13.12 | yokken | and i just installed shutter sound |
| 07:13.15 | dBsooner | have you messed with the messaging app? |
| 07:13.24 | yokken | not that i remember |
| 07:13.45 | hmagoo | webos 1.1? |
| 07:14.06 | yokken | yep |
| 07:14.18 | yokken | the hunk that fails in char counter is the messaging stylesheet |
| 07:14.35 | yokken | as a programmer it makes no sense, but whatever |
| 07:14.40 | hmagoo | you can replace that file with an original |
| 07:14.42 | dBsooner | forwarding installed for me |
| 07:14.43 | yokken | i've NEVER messed with that stylesheet |
| 07:15.35 | dBsooner | installs, but doesn't work |
| 07:15.39 | egaudet | hunk 2 of that css file is just the newline at end of file isn't it? |
| 07:16.09 | yokken | okay so my ipkg log is really long- is the NEW error at the bottom or top? |
| 07:16.28 | egaudet | i think bottom |
| 07:16.34 | hmagoo | the good part of using the doctor would be that I could hit up the app catalog, and then go crazy on homebrews afterwards, but I wonder what other drawbacks. I assume "rooting" is way easier now than it was a couple months ago, so that will probably not be a big deal. but.. |
| 07:16.59 | yokken | i've gotten different errors... what in the world |
| 07:17.07 | dBsooner | hmagoo, you can install stuff from app catalog anytime |
| 07:17.16 | dBsooner | I did it yesterdady with 130 homebrews installed |
| 07:17.20 | hmagoo | when you have too many homebrews? |
| 07:17.31 | hmagoo | how? |
| 07:17.47 | yokken | sounds like a case of iphone fever |
| 07:17.56 | dBsooner | mv /var/usr/palm/applications /var/usr/palm/homebrew |
| 07:18.04 | dBsooner | run App cat, install programs |
| 07:18.13 | yokken | so many apps available, i'll just download them all! |
| 07:18.28 | dBsooner | mv /var/usr/palm/homebrew/* /var/usr/palm/applications |
| 07:18.30 | hmagoo | heh, I think rwhitby really did download them all |
| 07:18.45 | hmagoo | and that works without hitches? |
| 07:18.45 | dBsooner | rmdir /var/usr/palm/homebrew |
| 07:18.50 | dBsooner | yes |
| 07:18.54 | hmagoo | hmmm |
| 07:18.54 | dBsooner | I did it yesterday |
| 07:19.00 | yokken | okay i are install char counter, got 4 error again |
| 07:19.07 | hmagoo | hmm |
| 07:19.20 | hmagoo | did you kill luna or anything? |
| 07:19.23 | hmagoo | first? |
| 07:19.27 | yokken | now it's chatview-assistant.js |
| 07:19.34 | yokken | why would i? i have to run the script from preware |
| 07:19.35 | dBsooner | what? you killed the whore? she's so good |
| 07:19.41 | *** join/#webos-internals Baryn (i=45566cc9@gateway/web/freenode/x-tygfvctpabysmvlb) |
| 07:19.46 | hmagoo | language ;) |
| 07:19.51 | dBsooner | doh! |
| 07:19.53 | dBsooner | hoe* |
| 07:20.01 | Baryn | Where are apps in the file system? |
| 07:20.01 | hmagoo | thats mo better |
| 07:20.09 | egaudet | yokken, what hunk failed |
| 07:20.12 | dBsooner | contemplates whether to install ubuntu 9.10 alpha5 now or tomorrow |
| 07:20.12 | egaudet | in chatview-assistant |
| 07:20.22 | dBsooner | baryn what apps? |
| 07:20.24 | yokken | hunk #2 @ 2120 |
| 07:20.28 | yokken | 1 out of 2 hunks |
| 07:20.34 | Baryn | Apps installed via the SDK |
| 07:20.47 | hmagoo | I think I'll try your suggestion dBsooner, any other advice? |
| 07:20.47 | yokken | and then hunk #2 failed @ 1181 |
| 07:20.47 | oil | yokken is surrounded by hunks |
| 07:20.50 | dBsooner | . /var/usr/palm/applications |
| 07:20.53 | yokken | i am a hunk |
| 07:20.54 | hmagoo | oil heh |
| 07:21.01 | oil | you would think he was at a chip n dale show |
| 07:21.17 | hmagoo | lol 1 out of 2 hunks |
| 07:21.25 | yokken | the hunk #2 @ 1181 is in messaging.css |
| 07:21.27 | egaudet | that's the newline at tend of file |
| 07:21.27 | dBsooner | hmagoo Just make sure you do that mv /var/usr/palm/homebrew/* /var/usr/palm/applications part right |
| 07:22.02 | hmagoo | so you use the pre in between that time? just making sure you don't click on a homebrew? |
| 07:22.04 | yokken | okay egaudet, so what do i do to fix this? |
| 07:22.08 | egaudet | I'm going to guess the files on your system already have newlines. I'm gonna get a diff to ignore those |
| 07:22.22 | yokken | i can change them myself if it'll fix it |
| 07:22.24 | dBsooner | I would do nothing except install apps |
| 07:22.26 | yokken | like add a newline or something |
| 07:22.28 | egaudet | yokken, if it's what I think it is, it is something I should fix |
| 07:22.42 | yokken | mmkay |
| 07:22.50 | hmagoo | ok |
| 07:23.03 | egaudet | when you save from vim it adds a newline to end of file, but palm files stock dont' so when I am creating diffs from my machine i get that newline in my diff and into the patch, and it shouldn't be so, brb |
| 07:23.09 | dBsooner | hmagoo: because anything you have installed won't work |
| 07:23.17 | yokken | i see |
| 07:23.19 | dBsooner | hmagoo: because the applications folder will no longer exist |
| 07:23.38 | hmagoo | putting pre on charger, woot |
| 07:23.48 | yokken | same |
| 07:23.55 | dBsooner | im going to reboot |
| 07:23.58 | Baryn | Ah, so there they are, thank you dBsooner :) |
| 07:24.01 | dBsooner | i'll be back in a bit |
| 07:24.07 | dBsooner | yw baryn |
| 07:24.11 | dBsooner | I am install ubuntu |
| 07:24.17 | yokken | am i the only one who thinks the pre charger plug looks retarded? |
| 07:24.27 | dBsooner | What's it look like? |
| 07:24.33 | dBsooner | only uses a touchstone. |
| 07:24.52 | yokken | it's like a big giant cylinder that extends out of my powerstrip |
| 07:24.57 | yokken | with a usb port on it. |
| 07:24.59 | dBsooner | oh, that thing |
| 07:25.05 | punzada | big? giant? have you seen chargers? |
| 07:25.06 | Baryn | I think it looks quite awesome |
| 07:25.07 | punzada | it's small. |
| 07:25.09 | yokken | and it ALWAYS comes out |
| 07:25.17 | yokken | the prongs never stay in |
| 07:25.20 | dBsooner | it's small compared to others |
| 07:25.25 | yokken | but it looks stupid. |
| 07:25.37 | Baryn | I love how the mirror in the center corresponds to the mirror on the USB plug |
| 07:25.39 | punzada | I appreciate that palm put those lil silver markings on the usb cable, you have any idea how many times on my old phone i would attempt to plug the charger in the wrong way? |
| 07:25.47 | Baryn | lol |
| 07:25.51 | punzada | lol Baryn |
| 07:25.55 | Baryn | Beaten punzada ;P |
| 07:25.57 | dBsooner | i love how I just throw mine down and it magnets to the stone and cahrges |
| 07:26.15 | punzada | I love how you paid $50+ to avoid plugging a phone in. |
| 07:26.17 | yokken | i've heard bad things about touchstones, plus i don't have $70 for one |
| 07:26.19 | punzada | >> |
| 07:26.19 | yokken | hahaha |
| 07:26.25 | hmagoo | dBsooner: app catalog said not enough memory |
| 07:26.27 | dBsooner | paid nothing |
| 07:26.36 | yokken | ...criminal? |
| 07:26.43 | punzada | ah, well for free I would understand. |
| 07:26.47 | Baryn | The main advantage of the Touchstone is the OS interaction |
| 07:26.49 | punzada | I just can't justify buying one though. |
| 07:26.56 | dBsooner | Nope, I have a friend that owns a Sprint store. |
| 07:27.03 | Baryn | Answer a call while it's down, and you're automatically on speaker |
| 07:27.04 | yokken | must be nice |
| 07:27.08 | dBsooner | hmagoo: umm.. |
| 07:27.14 | punzada | all my friends are losers, all their jobs never give me any worthwhile perks. |
| 07:27.39 | punzada | 'oh hey you can come to my golf course and .. hit some balls' |
| 07:27.42 | punzada | thanks, thanks a lot. |
| 07:27.44 | yokken | i work at a movie theater when i'm at home and my job lets me bring friends to movies for free, a day before they come out |
| 07:27.56 | dBsooner | hmagoo: ssh |
| 07:28.01 | yokken | if that isn't a loser job with amazing perks, i don't know what is |
| 07:28.04 | dBsooner | hmagoo: and do a df -h |
| 07:28.06 | yokken | actually i love my job |
| 07:28.09 | hmagoo | in there |
| 07:28.11 | hmagoo | ok |
| 07:28.20 | punzada | sends yokken a camera and tells him to get to work |
| 07:28.21 | punzada | lol |
| 07:28.31 | yokken | you don't get it |
| 07:28.36 | yokken | i've literally thought of doing cinesyncs |
| 07:28.43 | yokken | the ones you NEVER see? yeah. |
| 07:28.47 | dBsooner | hmagoo: does it give you a % used for /var? |
| 07:28.57 | hmagoo | 74% |
| 07:28.57 | yokken | capture the film directly, bitches. |
| 07:29.11 | punzada | don't you mean telecine? |
| 07:29.28 | dBsooner | hmagoo: ok, you'll have to pay attention and don't install more than about 30 megs of programs |
| 07:29.55 | yokken | telecine is to direct capture as cam is to camera capture |
| 07:30.04 | dBsooner | hmagoo: but you can move that /var/usr/palm/homebrew to /usr/palm/homebrew |
| 07:30.13 | dBsooner | to get it off the /var partition |
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| 07:30.18 | yokken | cam:telecine, telesync:cinesync |
| 07:30.24 | hmagoo | ahh, you think that will allow me to install? |
| 07:30.30 | dBsooner | hmagoo: should |
| 07:30.38 | hmagoo | and why does root have only 50M left? |
| 07:30.41 | yokken | you capture the video and audio separately and sync it up |
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| 07:31.05 | yokken | if i really wanted to, i could get cams up 0day |
| 07:31.30 | yokken | record with a 1080p cam and telesync it, encode with my q6600 @ home, and get that shit pre'd |
| 07:31.34 | punzada | um, telesync = tripod cam + hearing impaired audio (typically), telecine is actually transfer. |
| 07:31.42 | yokken | jump into the scene and no one has any idea how i do it |
| 07:31.43 | dBsooner | hmagoo: because its dumb |
| 07:31.58 | dBsooner | hmagoo: you might move it to the internal storage part instead |
| 07:32.01 | punzada | but regardless semantics |
| 07:32.03 | punzada | get to it |
| 07:32.04 | punzada | lol |
| 07:32.18 | yokken | if you ever see a release with -CHS at the end, it's me. |
| 07:32.22 | yokken | ;) |
| 07:33.01 | yokken | and i promise you'll see it because it'll be up by 8am the day the movie comes out... before movie theaters are even open. :) |
| 07:33.15 | punzada | ...allegedy |
| 07:33.18 | punzada | of course. |
| 07:33.23 | hmagoo | /media/internal/palm/homebrew? |
| 07:33.27 | punzada | allegedly* |
| 07:33.35 | yokken | well that's if i ever started doing this |
| 07:33.42 | yokken | and i wouldn't do it for every movie, only the ones i felt like seeing |
| 07:34.02 | dBsooner | hmagoo: that will work |
| 07:34.13 | yokken | one of the inglourious basterds cams, the guy had to cover his camera for like 2 minutes haha |
| 07:34.15 | hmagoo | mv /var/usr/palm/homebrew /media/internal/palm/homebrew or mv /var/usr/palm/homebrew/* /media/internal/palm/homebrew |
| 07:34.27 | dBsooner | first one |
| 07:34.34 | punzada | silly pirates |
| 07:35.16 | yokken | punzada: http://i33.tinypic.com/288rpck.jpg |
| 07:35.22 | punzada | is it technically piracy if i'm just too lazy to go into the other room to watch something on the dvr, download it, watch it and immediately delete it? |
| 07:35.25 | punzada | lol |
| 07:35.40 | punzada | yokken: ?? |
| 07:35.50 | yokken | technically yes... that's why services such as netflix instant streaming are amazing |
| 07:35.54 | yokken | i just thought i'd share that |
| 07:36.01 | hmagoo | root@castle:/# mv /var/usr/palm/homebrew /media/internal/palm/homebrew |
| 07:36.02 | hmagoo | mv: cannot rename '/var/usr/palm/homebrew': No such file or directory |
| 07:36.05 | punzada | um, ok. |
| 07:36.16 | yokken | i do that sometimes |
| 07:36.24 | dBsooner | hmagoo: go to /var/usr/palm |
| 07:36.28 | dBsooner | and do an ls |
| 07:36.29 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, ping |
| 07:36.42 | egaudet | anyone know if I can stirp or ignore a trailing newline with git diff? |
| 07:36.51 | hmagoo | all there, in blue |
| 07:37.04 | dBsooner | homebrew is? |
| 07:37.14 | hmagoo | yeah |
| 07:37.26 | hmagoo | and the dirs inside it |
| 07:37.37 | dBsooner | cd /var/usr/palm/ |
| 07:37.48 | dBsooner | mv ./homebrew /media/internal |
| 07:38.43 | hmagoo | errors on all cannot preserve ownership, operation not permitted. think I made media internal to my user |
| 07:39.02 | dBsooner | yeah, that's likely |
| 07:39.09 | dBsooner | because it was trying to move everything as root |
| 07:39.13 | hmagoo | can I ctrl-c? |
| 07:39.17 | dBsooner | no |
| 07:39.18 | dBsooner | let it go |
| 07:39.23 | yokken | i wish i could ctrl-c my life |
| 07:39.38 | dBsooner | it just won't be able to make those files your username |
| 07:39.44 | dBsooner | they will all stay as 'root' |
| 07:39.46 | dBsooner | which is good |
| 07:39.56 | dBsooner | if not, we can just chown them |
| 07:39.58 | hmagoo | oh, I thought it was not doing the mv, ok |
| 07:39.59 | yokken | or like "sleep (12*8*3600)" |
| 07:40.10 | dBsooner | it's doing the move |
| 07:40.19 | hmagoo | yokken or partitions |
| 07:40.42 | hmagoo | reformat your finance partition |
| 07:40.55 | oil | fork(oil) |
| 07:41.00 | dBsooner | ha |
| 07:41.06 | dBsooner | spawn() |
| 07:41.14 | dBsooner | If it were only that easy |
| 07:41.15 | hmagoo | I wish I could change the tyres on a moving car! |
| 07:41.39 | yokken | er, "sleep (12*60*3600)" |
| 07:41.41 | dBsooner | still moving? |
| 07:41.45 | hmagoo | yeah |
| 07:41.49 | yokken | i've been writing in scheme too much... :( stupid compsci course |
| 07:41.53 | oil | i wonder what a tyre is |
| 07:41.54 | dBsooner | idea: uninstall some crap when this is done |
| 07:41.58 | yokken | i almost did my math in prefix notation |
| 07:42.04 | yokken | (* 12 60 3600) |
| 07:42.24 | hmagoo | thought you wrote that |
| 07:42.26 | hmagoo | oil |
| 07:42.49 | dBsooner | hmagoo: you're moving things across partitions (with different file formats) so it's a bit slow |
| 07:42.52 | oil | eh? |
| 07:42.56 | yokken | i'm gonna head to bed guys, it's almost 3 here |
| 07:43.13 | dBsooner | here too |
| 07:43.23 | dBsooner | but someone made me uninstall all my WORKING tweaks |
| 07:43.24 | hmagoo | oil, on the preware wiki page, thought you wrote that snippet, err, gues not |
| 07:43.26 | yokken | it's been fun chatting with you guys |
| 07:43.28 | dBsooner | to "test" others |
| 07:43.33 | hmagoo | dBsooner: it is .. not.. done |
| 07:43.41 | dBsooner | sigh |
| 07:43.42 | yokken | take it easy bros. |
| 07:43.47 | dBsooner | same to you |
| 07:43.52 | oil | wikipedia says tyres is brittish |
| 07:44.07 | dBsooner | who the hell was that? |
| 07:44.11 | hmagoo | what is brittish? |
| 07:44.20 | oil | tyres is brittish for tires |
| 07:44.28 | dBsooner | no, tires are tires |
| 07:44.36 | dBsooner | tyres are tyres |
| 07:44.40 | hmagoo | so do they get tyred? |
| 07:44.40 | oil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tire |
| 07:44.50 | oil | "A tire (or tyre in British English) is a ring-shaped....." |
| 07:44.54 | hmagoo | is this very tyring? |
| 07:45.00 | dBsooner | right, because wikipedia.org is like 100% truth? |
| 07:45.13 | oil | never said it was |
| 07:45.17 | hmagoo | dBsooner: so I need to use an * when putting this stuff back? |
| 07:46.17 | dBsooner | yes, you'll do: mv /media/internal/homebrew/* /var/usr/palm/applications/ |
| 07:46.51 | dBsooner | Grr.. I hate how quickinstall restarts luna after every tweak |
| 07:47.08 | dBsooner | can't wait for the autopatch to work |
| 07:47.10 | hmagoo | is the restore app working well now? jason's |
| 07:47.18 | dBsooner | It worked great for me |
| 07:47.40 | hmagoo | dBsooner: it is done, let me try the app catalog |
| 07:47.45 | dBsooner | you mean the repair utility right? |
| 07:47.50 | dBsooner | sweet |
| 07:47.56 | hmagoo | yeah |
| 07:48.25 | hmagoo | still same message. hmm |
| 07:48.31 | dBsooner | what? |
| 07:48.36 | hmagoo | restart luna or something? |
| 07:48.52 | dBsooner | you shouldn't need to |
| 07:48.53 | hmagoo | only 42% on var |
| 07:49.11 | dBsooner | but you could try it |
| 07:49.30 | hmagoo | wonder when the app catalog app checks |
| 07:49.40 | hmagoo | maybe I could uninstall a palm app? |
| 07:49.49 | dBsooner | no, because you moved all the apps |
| 07:50.09 | dBsooner | you would have to move them all back |
| 07:50.17 | dBsooner | then uninstall the palm app(s) from app cat |
| 07:50.24 | hmagoo | ok lemme try a luna pkill |
| 07:51.46 | hmagoo | so 50M free on / is ok? |
| 07:51.54 | dBsooner | that's how much Ih ave |
| 07:52.00 | hmagoo | ok |
| 07:52.38 | hmagoo | why when you run mount does it always say rootfs is rw? |
| 07:53.02 | dBsooner | what do you mean? |
| 07:53.06 | dBsooner | when you jsut type "mount"? |
| 07:53.10 | hmagoo | yeah |
| 07:53.33 | hmagoo | rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) even if I mount ro the / |
| 07:53.43 | hmagoo | " " |
| 07:54.03 | dBsooner | because that is how it is listed in /etc/fstab |
| 07:54.13 | hmagoo | lol, all my homebrew icons are history |
| 07:54.21 | dBsooner | yeah, they'll come back |
| 07:54.25 | hmagoo | ok |
| 07:54.33 | dBsooner | what does app cat say now? |
| 07:55.18 | hmagoo | looks like it will install |
| 07:55.23 | dBsooner | cool |
| 07:55.30 | dBsooner | so luna had to have her rear end restarted |
| 07:55.39 | hmagoo | yeah |
| 07:55.46 | hmagoo | installing... |
| 07:55.46 | dBsooner | I bet we could have left them in the /var partition and ust restarted luna |
| 07:56.00 | hmagoo | yep |
| 07:56.06 | dBsooner | cool |
| 07:56.10 | hmagoo | should I try launching the installed app? |
| 07:56.11 | dBsooner | that's a step I missed then |
| 07:56.15 | dBsooner | you can |
| 07:56.34 | hmagoo | cool works man |
| 07:56.37 | hmagoo | you do a wiki page? |
| 07:56.43 | dBsooner | no |
| 07:56.45 | dBsooner | not yet |
| 07:56.50 | hmagoo | how many apps should I install? |
| 07:56.53 | hmagoo | could I install |
| 07:56.56 | dBsooner | would you mind testing our theory? |
| 07:57.11 | hmagoo | which is? |
| 07:57.26 | dBsooner | do this: mv /media/internal/homebrew /var/usr/palm/ |
| 07:57.40 | dBsooner | i want to move all that data back to the var part |
| 07:57.50 | dBsooner | still not putting htem into the "applications" folder though |
| 07:57.54 | dBsooner | so Luna won't know they are there yet |
| 07:58.02 | dBsooner | we are just going to take that space back up on the partition |
| 07:58.02 | hmagoo | and then luna restart? |
| 07:58.12 | dBsooner | yeah |
| 07:58.20 | hmagoo | without an *? |
| 07:58.22 | dBsooner | but she should still show none of them installed |
| 07:58.27 | dBsooner | yes. |
| 07:58.34 | dBsooner | mv /media/internal/homebrew /var/usr/palm/ |
| 07:58.58 | dBsooner | that command says to move the ROOT FOLDER "homebrew" to /var/usr/palm/ |
| 07:59.11 | hmagoo | doing it |
| 07:59.34 | hmagoo | is it ok to pkill LunaSysMgr or is there a more graceful command? |
| 07:59.41 | dBsooner | "mv /media/internal/homebrew/* /var/usr/palm/" would mean move all the sub-folders of 'homebrew' to /var/usr/palm/ |
| 07:59.45 | hmagoo | still moving |
| 08:00.14 | dBsooner | umm.. whats that luna restart command.. |
| 08:00.19 | dBsooner | rusn to the wiki |
| 08:00.25 | hmagoo | stop start something |
| 08:00.51 | hmagoo | stop LunaSysMgr && start LunaSysMgr?? |
| 08:01.07 | dBsooner | initctl stop LunaSysMgr |
| 08:01.07 | hmagoo | still moving |
| 08:01.12 | dBsooner | initctl start LunaSysMgr |
| 08:01.16 | hmagoo | yeah |
| 08:01.35 | dBsooner | so initctl stop LunaSysMgr && initctl start LunaSysMgr |
| 08:01.54 | hmagoo | this is what I wanted on a request for preware... but it was misplaced I see that |
| 08:02.07 | dBsooner | ? |
| 08:02.23 | hmagoo | I requested the feature to gracefully uninstall all homebrews for using the catalog |
| 08:02.33 | hmagoo | and reinstall |
| 08:02.34 | dBsooner | Well.. There is controversy there |
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| 08:02.48 | hmagoo | still moving |
| 08:03.10 | hmagoo | I could look in filezilla for progress? |
| 08:03.11 | dBsooner | most of the preware guys don't want this kind of manipulation involv4ed |
| 08:03.18 | dBsooner | just let it run |
| 08:03.44 | dBsooner | Plus, I have some FIRM information that says this should be fixed "very soon" |
| 08:03.47 | hmagoo | you think the icons are going to be on the same pages? |
| 08:03.49 | dBsooner | let me get the exact quote.. |
| 08:03.57 | dBsooner | That I do not know |
| 08:04.02 | hmagoo | I figured they would fix it on 1.2 |
| 08:04.20 | dBsooner | "You will see the 50 app limit in the catalog changed soon." |
| 08:04.22 | hmagoo | thats going to be a big page of icons |
| 08:04.36 | dBsooner | that was the exact quote from somone that "definitely knows" |
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| 08:04.50 | hmagoo | yeah, I figured but then *cough* paid apps |
| 08:04.54 | oil | who is that? |
| 08:05.00 | dBsooner | I can't say |
| 08:05.08 | dBsooner | public logs.. ;) |
| 08:05.20 | oil | lol |
| 08:05.31 | hmagoo | still bloody moving |
| 08:05.39 | Eguy | way to make it obvious lol |
| 08:05.54 | dBsooner | :D |
| 08:07.33 | hmagoo | ok done moving, restart luna? |
| 08:08.16 | dBsooner | yeah |
| 08:08.26 | dBsooner | sorry, was reading the message headers on an email |
| 08:09.00 | hmagoo | ok done |
| 08:09.07 | hmagoo | try app catalog? |
| 08:09.16 | hmagoo | err, wait, not done |
| 08:09.16 | dBsooner | yep |
| 08:09.19 | dBsooner | lol |
| 08:09.26 | hmagoo | weird |
| 08:09.29 | dBsooner | she's a tease |
| 08:09.38 | hmagoo | weird |
| 08:09.52 | dBsooner | what? |
| 08:10.30 | hmagoo | nada |
| 08:10.36 | dBsooner | what do you mean? |
| 08:10.44 | egaudet | alright v0.1.8 of the patches should resolve the newline issue |
| 08:10.48 | hmagoo | thought luna restarted but I guess it is right now |
| 08:10.57 | egaudet | will be built and in feed within 15 minutes |
| 08:10.59 | hmagoo | taking a while though |
| 08:11.19 | dBsooner | i wonder if she found those files in homebrew |
| 08:11.50 | hmagoo | root 15962 23.5 26.2 149408 64324 ? S<Lsl 01:08 0:43 /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr |
| 08:11.59 | hmagoo | ok done |
| 08:12.18 | hmagoo | no still no icons |
| 08:12.27 | dBsooner | cool |
| 08:12.32 | dBsooner | try app cat |
| 08:12.57 | dBsooner | egaudet: I wasn't having issues with newline |
| 08:13.04 | dBsooner | egaudet: that one dude was.. and he's gone |
| 08:13.31 | hmagoo | updating Pandora |
| 08:13.37 | dBsooner | sweet |
| 08:13.54 | hmagoo | not enough memory |
| 08:13.58 | dBsooner | damn |
| 08:14.11 | hmagoo | lol, move it back |
| 08:14.12 | dBsooner | so how much room do you have free? |
| 08:14.21 | dBsooner | that will let you know how much you can install |
| 08:14.31 | egaudet | dBsooner, but you probably would have if you installed a 2nd patch that touched the same file |
| 08:14.31 | hmagoo | 75% used |
| 08:14.34 | dBsooner | and you'll just have to keep an eye on it |
| 08:14.55 | hmagoo | 61M free |
| 08:14.57 | dBsooner | hmagoo: it should say a size |
| 08:14.58 | dBsooner | there you go |
| 08:15.09 | dBsooner | move it all back |
| 08:15.20 | hmagoo | should be good, but what about installing homebrews in the future? |
| 08:16.06 | hmagoo | mv /var/usr/palm/homebrew /media/internal/ ? |
| 08:16.20 | dBsooner | mv /var/usr/palm/homebrew /media/internal/ |
| 08:16.22 | dBsooner | yep |
| 08:16.44 | dBsooner | then mark how much freespace you have |
| 08:16.46 | dBsooner | in /var |
| 08:16.48 | hmagoo | no errors so far |
| 08:17.04 | dBsooner | probably because it changed your username on thsoe files, but it doesn't matter. |
| 08:17.10 | egaudet | what is /var/usr/palm/homebrew |
| 08:17.12 | hmagoo | was 144M last time |
| 08:17.24 | dBsooner | because even if it made them in YOUR username, root has power over that |
| 08:17.42 | dBsooner | egaudet: I am showing hmagoo how to get around the 50 app limit of app cat |
| 08:17.57 | dBsooner | without uninstalling all the homebrew apps |
| 08:18.41 | hmagoo | where do the icons get there page locaations? |
| 08:18.49 | dBsooner | that I don't know |
| 08:18.51 | hmagoo | s/there/their |
| 08:18.51 | egaudet | so what does mv /var/usr/palm/homebrew do |
| 08:18.54 | dBsooner | it's probably in their xml |
| 08:19.02 | egaudet | when did you make homebrew |
| 08:19.06 | dBsooner | egaudet follow me: |
| 08:19.22 | egaudet | just tell me scroll up if you just moving aps there |
| 08:19.29 | dBsooner | scroll up |
| 08:19.35 | dBsooner | lol |
| 08:19.47 | dBsooner | first we thought you could just rename the applications folder |
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| 08:20.13 | dBsooner | but when you are "out of space" (65MB free is out of space to luna), you can't leave them in the var |
| 08:20.15 | hmagoo | egaudet I only had 26% free on /var |
| 08:20.30 | dBsooner | so we move them to the internal partition |
| 08:20.32 | dBsooner | then restart luna |
| 08:20.44 | hmagoo | changed that to 68% free |
| 08:20.46 | dBsooner | then install/update using app cat/updater |
| 08:21.12 | dBsooner | then move all the subfolders of /var/media/homebrew to /var/usr/palm/applications |
| 08:21.17 | dBsooner | then restart luna again |
| 08:21.49 | hmagoo | I might be dragging stuff around tomorrow |
| 08:23.08 | dBsooner | i don't see the icon location in the appinfo.json |
| 08:23.14 | dBsooner | I don't know where that info is stored |
| 08:24.41 | hmagoo | luna keeps track prob and now it doesn't know. but we'll see |
| 08:24.54 | dBsooner | yeah, i bet thats the case |
| 08:25.04 | dBsooner | i see some databases in /var/palm/data |
| 08:25.24 | dBsooner | and /var/palm/user-dock-positions.json is where your launcher icons are stored |
| 08:25.46 | hmagoo | maybe we could back it up? |
| 08:25.51 | dBsooner | which 4 icons are there |
| 08:26.07 | dBsooner | probably not, because your going to be adding those other files |
| 08:26.18 | dBsooner | s/files/apps |
| 08:26.18 | hmagoo | yeah |
| 08:26.22 | hmagoo | which 4 icons? |
| 08:26.53 | dBsooner | the file /var/palm/user-dock-positions.json has the 4 icons on your luancher |
| 08:27.02 | dBsooner | which 4 apps you want included |
| 08:27.09 | hmagoo | ok |
| 08:27.28 | hmagoo | oh what about the pages? |
| 08:27.33 | dBsooner | so that leads me to believe the db's inside of /var/palm/data are the db's that would hold the pages and icons |
| 08:27.42 | hmagoo | ok |
| 08:27.50 | dBsooner | but I have no way of knowing that.. we'll ahve to ask someone in the know |
| 08:28.05 | hmagoo | still moving |
| 08:28.35 | hmagoo | you using jaunty right now? |
| 08:28.50 | hmagoo | ok, done moving |
| 08:28.55 | dBsooner | no, i'm on win 7 |
| 08:28.56 | dBsooner | ;) |
| 08:29.02 | dBsooner | i was thinking of installing karmic |
| 08:29.12 | dBsooner | on a 60gb unused partition on this laptop |
| 08:29.15 | hmagoo | I haven't used windows in a while |
| 08:29.21 | hmagoo | 4 years or so |
| 08:29.25 | dBsooner | LOL |
| 08:29.31 | hmagoo | dreamlinux is cool too |
| 08:29.34 | dBsooner | Well, I had a winmo device for about 2 years |
| 08:29.39 | hmagoo | but ubuntu has the packages, ppas |
| 08:29.56 | dBsooner | try doing ANYTHING with a winmo device in linux |
| 08:30.02 | dBsooner | everything was a chore |
| 08:30.09 | hmagoo | ic |
| 08:30.17 | dBsooner | so I just got used to windows |
| 08:30.30 | dBsooner | and then i got in on the private beta of win 7 |
| 08:30.32 | hmagoo | restarting luna |
| 08:30.40 | dBsooner | and then I got the free Win 7 Ultimate through technet |
| 08:30.48 | dBsooner | so i was like, why not? |
| 08:31.28 | hmagoo | cool I had 2003 server on here, but completely wiped it a year or so ago |
| 08:31.28 | dBsooner | right now I use cygwin for a lot of stuff.. git and things |
| 08:31.29 | hmagoo | ubuntu will be good for you |
| 08:31.30 | dBsooner | and then I have an ubuntu karmic server running in the other room |
| 08:31.38 | dBsooner | in a vmware shell on my windows xp desktop |
| 08:31.45 | hmagoo | was thinking of upgrading but, it'll be gold in a few weeks |
| 08:31.51 | dBsooner | then i have a centos server in florida |
| 08:31.58 | dBsooner | Oct 29th |
| 08:32.06 | dBsooner | so I think I might wate |
| 08:32.08 | dBsooner | wait* |
| 08:32.35 | hmagoo | dreamlinux was a lot smoother, with some things like audio, media, etc.. |
| 08:32.43 | dBsooner | I can't believe there is an Extenze infomercial |
| 08:33.08 | dBsooner | But Gnome, KDE, etc? |
| 08:33.21 | hmagoo | I use xfce |
| 08:33.27 | hmagoo | I think so |
| 08:33.47 | dBsooner | I like ubuntu |
| 08:33.56 | dBsooner | gentoo is fun, but way to difficult to learn |
| 08:33.59 | hmagoo | I don't even use xfce desktop really because of compiz and I like different wallpapers on the cube, heh |
| 08:34.25 | dBsooner | so xfce is better xwin front end than gnome? |
| 08:34.45 | hmagoo | well, I like it. but I tend to use old hardware |
| 08:35.05 | dBsooner | Holy cra |
| 08:35.09 | hmagoo | no compatibility issues and you end up using a lot of gnome stuff anyways, just not kde stuff |
| 08:35.11 | dBsooner | you all have to see this infomerical |
| 08:35.28 | hmagoo | I've seen some crazy commercials for that stuff |
| 08:35.46 | dBsooner | they got this blonde on here just there to be attractive |
| 08:35.51 | hmagoo | ok, going for the Pandora update |
| 08:35.57 | dBsooner | and flirty to the drivers of the racecar and stuff |
| 08:36.02 | hmagoo | is Ron Jeremy on there? |
| 08:36.06 | dBsooner | lol |
| 08:36.16 | dBsooner | ExtenZe.com |
| 08:36.16 | hmagoo | I've seen him on someo of those commercials |
| 08:37.04 | hmagoo | I previously tried updating apps with the update app, and it said no errors, but didn't update and never showed updates available for them after that |
| 08:37.22 | hmagoo | ok Pandora worked |
| 08:38.11 | hmagoo | geesh wikihow is 4M |
| 08:38.21 | hmagoo | that going to be free? |
| 08:38.30 | dBsooner | i dunno |
| 08:38.40 | dBsooner | I just read my thread |
| 08:38.49 | dBsooner | and people are having problems with the order of icons not being saved |
| 08:38.54 | dBsooner | so you're going to hate that |
| 08:39.00 | hmagoo | oh well |
| 08:40.49 | hmagoo | I might wipe the damn thing who knows |
| 08:41.00 | hmagoo | for better performance |
| 08:41.02 | dBsooner | lol |
| 08:42.02 | hmagoo | ok, gonna install a bunch of these.. |
| 08:42.22 | dBsooner | I'd stay under 40 megs or so |
| 08:42.28 | hmagoo | ok |
| 08:42.30 | dBsooner | so you'll have at least 20 megs free when it's done |
| 08:42.59 | hmagoo | should be fine |
| 08:44.25 | hmagoo | so no chown necessary later? |
| 08:44.35 | hmagoo | app catalog is a slug |
| 08:45.51 | dBsooner | we can find out now if we need to or not |
| 08:45.53 | dBsooner | on your ssh |
| 08:46.04 | dBsooner | go to /media/internal/homebrew |
| 08:46.07 | dBsooner | ls -l |
| 08:46.18 | dBsooner | what's it say for owner/group? |
| 08:46.45 | hmagoo | me me |
| 08:46.52 | dBsooner | not root root |
| 08:46.57 | hmagoo | no |
| 08:47.01 | dBsooner | k |
| 08:47.10 | hmagoo | hmm, if I want to update something, grr... |
| 08:47.22 | hmagoo | old Pandora is in the media/internal/homebrew |
| 08:47.41 | dBsooner | yeah, you'll have to move that one back |
| 08:47.50 | dBsooner | or just delete it |
| 08:47.57 | dBsooner | and install it new from app cat |
| 08:48.06 | hmagoo | ok, I'll have to cross reference |
| 08:48.26 | dBsooner | ***note: if there are apps that need updating from the app catalog, first delete them before you start this. You can install the newest version when you open app catalog. |
| 08:48.33 | dBsooner | that was one of my notes |
| 08:48.34 | dBsooner | lol |
| 08:48.40 | hmagoo | what is the find command for finding apps in the homebrew |
| 08:48.52 | dBsooner | dunno |
| 08:49.29 | acydlord | finding the installed homebrew apps? |
| 08:49.43 | hmagoo | no acydlord, little different.. |
| 08:49.47 | acydlord | ahh |
| 08:49.52 | hmagoo | want to find a file in a directory |
| 08:49.58 | hmagoo | or a directory in a directory |
| 08:50.00 | hmagoo | by using find? |
| 08:50.08 | acydlord | find, whereis, grep |
| 08:50.09 | hmagoo | and part of the name |
| 08:50.26 | hmagoo | grep yeah |
| 08:50.26 | acydlord | the homebrew apps are in /var and /opt/var |
| 08:50.26 | oil | google |
| 08:50.36 | hmagoo | google can search it? |
| 08:50.38 | hmagoo | ;) |
| 08:50.43 | oil | no google can tell you how though |
| 08:51.27 | oil | so preware is over 400 packages |
| 08:51.29 | oil | crazyness |
| 08:51.38 | dBsooner | find / | grep foo |
| 08:51.52 | hmagoo | ls -l | grep foo |
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| 08:55.13 | hmagoo | dbsooner, they don't show as installed so I'll just make sure anything listed in "list apps" is deleted from the /media/internal/homebrew |
| 08:55.34 | dBsooner | k |
| 08:55.39 | dBsooner | that will work |
| 08:56.12 | hmagoo | makes the sizing a bit more confusing, but I don't think I'll get close to the limit |
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| 09:06.57 | Tripknotix3 | hey guys |
| 09:07.17 | hmagoo | hey |
| 09:07.24 | Tripknotix3 | my friends got a palm pre, and he asked me to find out more information on developing a game for it |
| 09:07.38 | Tripknotix3 | i come from windows mobile, but i actually dont program games for that, i program games for flash |
| 09:07.44 | hmagoo | did you look in #webos too? |
| 09:07.46 | Tripknotix3 | but hes got some good ideas for games |
| 09:08.05 | Tripknotix3 | well i heard that the SDK doesnt have the kind of "gaming" capabilities were talking about |
| 09:08.12 | Tripknotix3 | and that #webos is for the sdk chat |
| 09:08.16 | hmagoo | ic |
| 09:09.26 | Tripknotix3 | he wants me to make my game on the palm pre but with his ideas, because i develop Flash 3D Games, he wants me to basically port my game http://nonoba.com/tripknotix/3d-future-ops-2 |
| 09:09.28 | Tripknotix3 | however |
| 09:09.38 | Tripknotix3 | from my understanding, the dsk doesnt allow 3D graphics |
| 09:10.29 | Tripknotix3 | but even flash didnt support 3d graphics by itself, i had to use a 3d engine with hardware enhancements from flash 10 player, so i figured maybe there was a 2d WEB OS engine that has 3d display capabilities |
| 09:10.43 | Tripknotix3 | i know the pre is pretty new, but is there anything like that going on? |
| 09:11.15 | Tripknotix3 | like in the Windows Mobile, theres a few 3d Game Engines being developed that dont require hardware acceleration but can use it to speed up display of the 2d elements that make up the scene |
| 09:11.43 | Tripknotix3 | is there anything like that in palm (i would use the PC version of webos / sdk) but he said that palm pre is so new that my game would really shine out |
| 09:11.54 | Tripknotix3 | where as if i did it on the iphone theres like 70,000 games or something |
| 09:13.05 | Tripknotix3 | maybe im in the wrong channel, is there a webos hacking community channel that might be able to help me? |
| 09:13.57 | freakout_AFK | Tripknotix3 - I'm not a hacker but this |
| 09:14.02 | freakout_AFK | ...never mind |
| 09:17.08 | hmagoo | chic |
| 09:22.20 | dBsooner | hmagoo |
| 09:22.26 | dBsooner | I see you found my thread |
| 09:22.30 | dBsooner | check that original post |
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| 09:22.32 | dBsooner | I just updated it |
| 09:25.03 | dBsooner | and, you can "thank" it to you if you wish. ;) |
| 09:25.08 | hmagoo | cool |
| 09:25.10 | hmagoo | thanks. |
| 09:25.21 | dBsooner | make sense? |
| 09:25.33 | dBsooner | your instructions are a tad diff |
| 09:25.37 | hmagoo | yeah, p2snippets won't install right now |
| 09:25.46 | dBsooner | why not? |
| 09:25.49 | dBsooner | not enough room again? |
| 09:26.08 | hmagoo | no errors, but not installed |
| 09:26.27 | dBsooner | wierrd |
| 09:27.09 | hmagoo | downloads but then I don't think it says installing |
| 09:27.34 | dBsooner | I'm about to pass out.. its 430... you are going to: mv /media/internal/homebrew/* /var/usr/palm/applications/* |
| 09:27.56 | dBsooner | then chown root:root -R /var/usr/palm/applications/. |
| 09:27.59 | dBsooner | yes put the . |
| 09:28.17 | hmagoo | hmm dood. in var/palm/data there is a listing there for p2snippets. |
| 09:28.19 | dBsooner | it really doesn't matter, but i like to point it out so you pay attention |
| 09:28.24 | hmagoo | ok |
| 09:28.26 | egaudet | chown? |
| 09:28.30 | dBsooner | si |
| 09:28.33 | egaudet | just be root |
| 09:28.33 | hmagoo | and some homebrew apps |
| 09:28.51 | dBsooner | egaudet he changed the ownership of /media/internal |
| 09:29.07 | dBsooner | so when all files were moved to /media/internal/homebrew it chown'd them to his usrename |
| 09:29.12 | egaudet | so, if root moves something there root still owns it |
| 09:29.18 | dBsooner | so when we moved them back to /var/ it doesn't change it back to root |
| 09:29.28 | dBsooner | no, it doesn't |
| 09:29.38 | dBsooner | we got an error saying "couldn't preserve ownership" |
| 09:29.53 | hmagoo | think that is why p2sinppets won't install from the app catalog. all apps aren't in var/palm/data, but some are |
| 09:30.11 | dBsooner | i think it has something to do with moving from the var partition format to FAT in /media |
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| 09:30.40 | egaudet | what's the ls -l on /meda |
| 09:31.02 | hmagoo | me me |
| 09:31.07 | dBsooner | hmagoo: yes |
| 09:31.18 | dBsooner | hmagoo: and move that p2snippets folder out of data |
| 09:31.22 | dBsooner | or just rename it |
| 09:31.30 | dBsooner | add .bak to the end of the folder name |
| 09:31.35 | dBsooner | then it should isntall |
| 09:33.17 | hmagoo | no, maybe I'll restart luna |
| 09:33.28 | dBsooner | so anyway.. hmagoo, when done do my step 3 |
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| 09:33.30 | dBsooner | in my OP |
| 09:33.35 | dBsooner | you can do it just like it says |
| 09:33.38 | dBsooner | your folders are the same |
| 09:33.52 | dBsooner | i gotta get some sleep |
| 09:33.58 | hmagoo | thank you |
| 09:34.02 | dBsooner | you're welcome |
| 09:34.10 | dBsooner | I am just glad I can finally contribute |
| 09:34.35 | hmagoo | I know the feeling |
| 09:35.24 | hmagoo | egaudet maybe the tar method would preserve better |
| 09:36.10 | egaudet | I want to reproduce what you are doing |
| 09:36.35 | hmagoo | did you chown media/internal? |
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| 09:37.25 | egaudet | not yet |
| 09:37.44 | egaudet | what did you do, ssh in and then chown internal? |
| 09:38.26 | JackieRipper | you can't chown a file in a fat filesystem |
| 09:38.32 | hmagoo | don't remember was from the wiki, to use ssh2/ftp |
| 09:38.43 | hmagoo | mount or something? I don't remember |
| 09:38.55 | JackieRipper | you can mount it with effective permissions |
| 09:40.40 | hmagoo | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Make_USB_Partition_Writable_via_SFTP |
| 09:40.58 | hmagoo | fstab |
| 09:41.10 | hmagoo | sorry |
| 09:42.23 | hmagoo | as an example of the whole process I'm having trouble getting p2snippets to install from the app catalog, so I suppose I should have uninstalled it in homebrew? dunno |
| 09:42.30 | egaudet | dBsooner, so in that homebrew method thing, when you get to the size limit and do that, you will lose an undefined amount of original app information |
| 09:42.37 | egaudet | hmagoo, what's the purpose of this? |
| 09:42.54 | hmagoo | use the app catalog without uninstalling homebrews |
| 09:43.09 | egaudet | the purpose of the /media/internal thing |
| 09:43.27 | hmagoo | it had to be moved outside of var |
| 09:43.55 | egaudet | the making usb partition writeable via sftp wiki you linked |
| 09:43.58 | JackieRipper | hmagoo: are you trying to install the same app twice? |
| 09:44.19 | hmagoo | when I would use filezilla I couldn't write until I did that, I think |
| 09:44.56 | hmagoo | JackieRipper: I had p2snippets installed homebrew, moved all the homebrews off temporarily to use app catalog, and it won't install that app through the app catalog |
| 09:45.28 | JackieRipper | I have homebrew installed and can still use the app catalog |
| 09:45.38 | hmagoo | I have too many |
| 09:45.48 | JackieRipper | ahh |
| 09:45.57 | hmagoo | but the limit is about 50 between homebrew and app catalog |
| 09:46.34 | egaudet | i can copy files to /media/internal anytime without doing that mount stuff |
| 09:46.47 | hmagoo | with what software? |
| 09:47.03 | egaudet | are you talking about in USB mode? |
| 09:47.06 | JackieRipper | egaudet: you can as root, but most likely not as a regular user |
| 09:47.33 | hmagoo | no sftp |
| 09:47.53 | egaudet | oh ok |
| 09:47.56 | JackieRipper | hmagoo: so what app are you trying to install from the catalog? |
| 09:48.00 | egaudet | not as regular user |
| 09:48.05 | hmagoo | p2snippets |
| 09:48.29 | JackieRipper | and you want both installed? The homebrew and the catalog version? |
| 09:48.56 | hmagoo | egaudet: as my ssh user |
| 09:49.15 | egaudet | yea I set up root for ssh so that's why I can do it |
| 09:49.16 | hmagoo | but without issuing a mount -o remount,rw / |
| 09:49.23 | hmagoo | I here ya |
| 09:50.10 | hmagoo | JackieRipper: well I didn't realize there would be a hitch, now my homebrews are in /media/internal until I move them back.. p2snippets was on there, so I guess that is what is causing the problem with the app catalog |
| 09:50.37 | hmagoo | I tried renaming a dir in /var/palm/data with no luck |
| 09:50.40 | JackieRipper | hmagoo: you could always rename p2snippets |
| 09:50.41 | egaudet | has anyone tried to chmod them to not be readable |
| 09:50.45 | egaudet | instead of moving them |
| 09:50.58 | hmagoo | egaudet: I think we established it was size |
| 09:50.59 | JackieRipper | mv p2snippets p2snippets-brew |
| 09:51.15 | egaudet | hmagoo, so NOT # of apps? |
| 09:51.20 | hmagoo | I still had them not recognized by luna but the app catalog still wouldn't work |
| 09:51.36 | hmagoo | until we moved it outside of var |
| 09:51.39 | egaudet | how were they not recognized by luna |
| 09:51.52 | hmagoo | there weren't in the original directory |
| 09:51.55 | hmagoo | but still in var |
| 09:52.00 | egaudet | ohh |
| 09:53.06 | hmagoo | JackieRipper: in what dir? the actual app dir is not in var right now anyways |
| 09:53.28 | hmagoo | anyways I'm over it, I got some apps from the catalog that I wanted to try |
| 09:53.31 | JackieRipper | hmagoo: I have no idea what you're done, so it's hard to diagnose |
| 09:53.47 | hmagoo | no worries |
| 09:54.02 | hmagoo | http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/204215-application-installation-limitations-clarification.html |
| 09:54.04 | JackieRipper | anyhoo I'm off to bed |
| 09:54.07 | JackieRipper | have a good one |
| 09:54.08 | hmagoo | see ya |
| 09:54.22 | hmagoo | egaudet how hard to use sftp as root? |
| 09:55.50 | egaudet | easy |
| 09:55.59 | egaudet | just not as secure |
| 09:56.11 | hmagoo | but still password protected right? |
| 09:56.16 | egaudet | yea |
| 09:56.21 | hmagoo | link? |
| 09:56.39 | egaudet | I don't know if there is one |
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| 09:56.58 | egaudet | since the security measures by the current ssh setup is to not enable a root password |
| 09:57.04 | hmagoo | you're not done writing it yet? |
| 09:57.07 | hmagoo | ;) |
| 09:57.09 | egaudet | to ssh to root you just have to enable a root password on the pre |
| 09:57.18 | egaudet | :P |
| 09:57.28 | hmagoo | how do I enable password for root? |
| 09:57.36 | egaudet | get into shell as root |
| 09:57.42 | egaudet | passwd root |
| 09:58.24 | egaudet | I then also put my local user ssh key into root's authorized keys on the pre so I can use ssh without password from my machine to pre |
| 09:58.37 | egaudet | local user on my desktop ^^ |
| 09:59.02 | hmagoo | that's cool in filezilla though there is a place for password. But I guess you mean desktop integration |
| 09:59.55 | hmagoo | isn't there a place where I have to say that root can ssh? |
| 10:00.13 | egaudet | no |
| 10:00.36 | egaudet | any user can ssh in with password if a password is set |
| 10:00.43 | hmagoo | trying to connect with root username and password and fails |
| 10:01.26 | hmagoo | Command:open "root@192.168.0.4" 222 |
| 10:01.26 | hmagoo | Command:Pass: ************* |
| 10:01.26 | hmagoo | Error:Authentication failed. |
| 10:01.27 | hmagoo | Error:Critical error |
| 10:01.27 | hmagoo | Error:Could not connect to server |
| 10:04.05 | egaudet | hmm I'm not sure, I use ssh key |
| 10:04.08 | hmagoo | hmm |
| 10:04.21 | hmagoo | is there a character limit on the password? |
| 10:04.55 | egaudet | if it let you set it, you should be fine I think |
| 10:05.28 | egaudet | I'd love to stay and help more but it's 6AM and I need some sleeep |
| 10:05.54 | hmagoo | ok man |
| 10:05.58 | egaudet | try generating an ssh key on your local machine and then putting it in /var/home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys on the pre |
| 10:06.14 | hmagoo | ok |
| 10:06.19 | egaudet | g'night and good luck, |
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| 10:20.44 | Tripknotix3 | hi |
| 10:20.48 | Tripknotix3 | i was here about an hour ago, i got disconnected, i use my phone as a usb wifi dongle for my computer =/ gf called at 3am |
| 10:20.58 | Tripknotix3 | i had a question about 3d applications in web os , or any sort of projects being worked on like that? |
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| 10:34.25 | hmagoo | think I need to restart ssh to use new passwords or keys? |
| 10:34.29 | hmagoo | keys maybe huh? |
| 10:37.50 | Tripknotix3 | ok how about this |
| 10:37.52 | Tripknotix3 | what about java ? |
| 10:38.18 | Tripknotix3 | would webos be able to handle 3d in java, either software/hardware renderings? |
| 10:38.30 | Tripknotix3 | i mean its got a fast processor but what about the ability to do it |
| 10:41.08 | hmagoo | start a thread maybe |
| 10:41.17 | hmagoo | search threads first |
| 10:41.29 | hmagoo | precentral webos development |
| 10:41.38 | oil | he wont get an answer there |
| 10:41.54 | oil | id say ask in here again in like 7 or 8 hours |
| 10:42.19 | Tripknotix3 | oh yeah? more developers during the day? |
| 10:42.39 | Tripknotix3 | are there any java games on palm pre? |
| 10:42.43 | oil | no |
| 10:42.53 | Tripknotix3 | oh ... yikes i thought it had alot of java innards |
| 10:42.57 | oil | it does |
| 10:43.02 | oil | but they're just that, inside |
| 10:43.06 | oil | not in the front end |
| 10:43.14 | oil | the only thing ive seen java used for is services |
| 10:43.16 | Tripknotix3 | so what does pre have thats front end for games? |
| 10:43.27 | oil | mojo is javascript |
| 10:43.53 | oil | some work has been done with browser plugins |
| 10:44.17 | Tripknotix3 | well i kno wmojo and javascript well but i mean, the 3d engines for javascript are as primitive as they come =P |
| 10:44.27 | Tripknotix3 | i mean not mojo |
| 10:44.32 | Tripknotix3 | i know as2.0 flash, and javascript |
| 10:44.53 | oil | actionscript and javascript are very similar |
| 10:45.01 | oil | but there is no 3d stuff in mojo |
| 10:45.10 | oil | and the 2d stuff it does (canvas) it does porely |
| 10:45.12 | oil | poorely* |
| 10:45.19 | Tripknotix3 | ... |
| 10:45.20 | oil | poorly* shit |
| 10:45.41 | Tripknotix3 | ok fair enough |
| 10:45.53 | Tripknotix3 | so i read theres a game frame work being developed for webos |
| 10:46.09 | Tripknotix3 | which is good because then they might have 3d games available |
| 10:46.13 | Tripknotix3 | in their sdk |
| 10:46.25 | Tripknotix3 | i mean 3d engines n parts ..ect libraries, drivers mainly |
| 10:46.26 | oil | yeah |
| 10:46.41 | oil | like i said though, the hackers here have been working on browser plugins |
| 10:46.49 | oil | webos is basically a browser |
| 10:47.00 | Tripknotix3 | whats up with browser plugins.. u mean to get flash working or something? |
| 10:47.04 | oil | things like the web browser in webos and the classic emulator use browser plugins |
| 10:47.26 | Tripknotix3 | the classic emulator is to play classic palm games right? |
| 10:47.28 | oil | palm has already said flash is coming to webos |
| 10:47.30 | Tripknotix3 | <---did alittle research |
| 10:47.56 | Tripknotix3 | well thats good, if you can package in flash files in your games, you can just sell flash games on webos app store lol |
| 10:48.09 | Tripknotix3 | unless the sdk is better? |
| 10:48.11 | Tripknotix3 | for games |
| 10:48.20 | oil | probably depends on how they do it |
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| 10:55.52 | Tripknotix3 | does the sdk provide anything for games at the moment? |
| 10:58.30 | oil | yes, javascript |
| 10:58.36 | oil | nothing for 3d though |
| 10:59.01 | Tripknotix3 | oh now i see |
| 10:59.03 | Tripknotix3 | damn |
| 10:59.08 | oil | or "fake" 3d |
| 10:59.21 | oil | http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=1285 |
| 10:59.31 | Tripknotix3 | ya the jake 3d javascript libraries arent that bad, but if they dont work in mojo then theres no point |
| 11:01.56 | Tripknotix3 | fake^ |
| 11:04.32 | Tripknotix3 | well thast interesting |
| 11:04.42 | Tripknotix3 | dunno why he can only get half the framerate =/ |
| 11:04.46 | Tripknotix3 | that'd be like 15fps |
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| 13:51.13 | raeb | yelo |
| 13:51.29 | raeb | where'd preware go! Cannot find package org.webosinternals.preware. |
| 13:53.19 | raeb | i'd pastebin all the output, but stupid pastebin thinks its spam |
| 13:55.14 | raeb | ah HA |
| 13:55.51 | raeb | rwhitby: you changed the manual install page on the wiki to remove the repository setup, instead use terminal repository setup... well terminal repository setup doesn't include all the preware repository lines. just fyi, maybe its what you meant to do |
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| 14:12.54 | Templarian | oil: you never added the icons you needed to the list... |
| 14:18.42 | freakout | raeb: rwhitby is on holidays for the next week :p |
| 14:24.28 | raeb | !seen rwhitby |
| 14:25.06 | Templarian | ~botsnack |
| 14:25.06 | infobot | Templarian: :) |
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| 14:46.45 | Abyssul | Does anyone know how to change the color of the "dot" that appears when you press the orange key in a text field? |
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| 14:47.57 | Templarian | Trying to create a really custom theme there. |
| 14:48.04 | Abyssul | Have you seen it? |
| 14:48.15 | Templarian | No, not sure which one is yours. |
| 14:48.23 | Abyssul | Flash of Red and Black |
| 14:48.47 | Abyssul | Im gonna give up on it probably because I'm not getting enough feedback |
| 14:48.59 | Abyssul | but it's the most indepth theme to date |
| 14:53.06 | Templarian | Actually I think L4D is... it changes basically everything browser buttons and all. |
| 14:53.25 | Templarian | And looks very nice. |
| 14:55.05 | Templarian | Yours is nice, but all it does is change everything to red. |
| 14:55.22 | Abyssul | Thats the point, but not everything. I try to choose parts accordingly |
| 14:57.35 | Abyssul | I did the browser buttons as well |
| 15:42.00 | jettero | oooo, resistor codes might be my new favorite app |
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| 15:45.26 | destinal | jettero: you know you're an electronics geek when... |
| 15:45.29 | destinal | :) |
| 15:45.33 | jettero | hehe |
| 15:45.47 | jettero | an engineer can just read the resistor without an assistant |
| 15:45.57 | jettero | you know you're a cs major who does electronics when |
| 15:46.02 | destinal | hehe |
| 15:49.40 | jettero | holy shit there's a lotta homebrew... I suspect it's growing exponentially |
| 15:49.40 | SMKOUT333 | aye aye aye |
| 15:49.42 | SMKOUT333 | :P |
| 15:49.55 | jettero | how do you submit an app to precentral? |
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| 16:10.38 | Templarian | jettero: it says on precentral |
| 16:10.46 | Templarian | read the sticky |
| 16:11.35 | jettero | I'll check for it. Lost interest and started working on homework |
| 16:11.47 | jettero | I have a hard time navigating that site without pulling 5 or 7 homebrew apps to try out |
| 16:15.28 | tlp | PuffTheMagic: how goes the IRC service? |
| 16:22.56 | tlp | also, is there any reason why that would be preferable over just using libpurple, now that other protocols are working? |
| 16:25.08 | rboatright | tlp: since PuffTheMagic isn't around just now |
| 16:25.24 | rboatright | allow me to comment that libpurple doesn't have connections to Mojo directly for IRC. |
| 16:25.30 | rboatright | so SOME programming is required...... |
| 16:25.50 | rboatright | I suspect we're going to see MULTIPLE irc clients in a few weeks. |
| 16:25.59 | Abyssul | Finally |
| 16:26.23 | tlp | cool |
| 16:26.36 | tlp | that was going to be my first project until I found out it could only be done via AJAX |
| 16:26.44 | tlp | I'm excited |
| 16:28.17 | tlp | it would be cool if Palm introduced general TCP/IP socket support |
| 16:28.33 | tlp | I bet that would be an easy service to write |
| 16:28.55 | tlp | IRC would be dirt simple to implement in JavaSCript. |
| 16:30.13 | PuffTheMagic | tlp: other protocolos are working |
| 16:30.30 | PuffTheMagic | tlp: a 1 channel irc client would be fine in JS |
| 16:30.35 | PuffTheMagic | 45 channels |
| 16:30.36 | PuffTheMagic | no |
| 16:31.52 | PuffTheMagic | and i dont know libpurple |
| 16:31.52 | PuffTheMagic | so there is no advantage of me using it |
| 16:32.54 | PuffTheMagic | and idk why you would do it in javascript when it can be done win C |
| 16:32.54 | Tilton53 | Puff is there anyplace we can great this beta to try it out? |
| 16:33.14 | PuffTheMagic | beta what? |
| 16:33.36 | Tilton53 | -.- the new IM clients geg is working on |
| 16:33.50 | PuffTheMagic | i would ask greg not me |
| 16:33.59 | PuffTheMagic | i dont have anyything to do with IM |
| 16:35.14 | tlp | PuffTheMagic: Well, assuming it were possible to do without C, I'd consider it. |
| 16:35.30 | tlp | but if you have to write a service anyway, might as well let the service do the heavy lifting |
| 16:35.32 | PuffTheMagic | it would be slow |
| 16:35.42 | tlp | possibly |
| 16:35.45 | tlp | it's just a text parser |
| 16:35.54 | PuffTheMagic | irc is asyc |
| 16:36.01 | tlp | I've written an IRC client in mIRC script |
| 16:36.07 | PuffTheMagic | a synchronous irc client would suck |
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| 16:43.23 | MusicMonkey5555 | hey I was wondering if anyone could help me with an error I am getting when trying to connect to my palm pre |
| 16:44.00 | MusicMonkey5555 | I tried following: http://burnsforce.com/original-guides/got-root-how-to-hack-a-palm-pre/ |
| 16:44.35 | MusicMonkey5555 | and got the error: unable to find device |
| 16:44.45 | Abyssul | Who's hacking a palm pre? |
| 16:44.59 | MusicMonkey5555 | I am |
| 16:45.25 | Abyssul | Ohh... you mean rooting |
| 16:45.26 | MusicMonkey5555 | All I want to do is root it to get my sms messages and app data backed up before I reset it |
| 16:45.38 | MusicMonkey5555 | yeah |
| 16:45.47 | Abyssul | I didn't even know it was possible to back those up |
| 16:45.48 | destinal | Abyssul: no! stop with the rooting |
| 16:46.11 | Abyssul | Eh Destinal? |
| 16:46.50 | MusicMonkey5555 | why stop with the rooting? |
| 16:47.02 | destinal | Abyssul: we're trying to get people not to use the term since it implies you have to modify your pre as opposed to just turn on dev mode and connect |
| 16:47.19 | MusicMonkey5555 | oh ok |
| 16:47.29 | MusicMonkey5555 | good point |
| 16:47.32 | destinal | to some it has the connotation of something dangerous and unsupported when palm totally designed it this way. |
| 16:47.33 | MusicMonkey5555 | cause that is all your doing |
| 16:47.56 | Abyssul | Then what do we call it? |
| 16:48.18 | destinal | Abyssul: when you get root access to your linux desktop, do you call it "rooting"? |
| 16:48.26 | Abyssul | I dont use Linux |
| 16:48.29 | MusicMonkey5555 | lol |
| 16:48.52 | Abyssul | The Pre is the closest thing I've gotten to a linux system |
| 16:48.53 | destinal | most would just call it logging in, or connecting, or something |
| 16:49.01 | MusicMonkey5555 | yeah |
| 16:49.20 | Abyssul | Doesn't rooting suggest that you are gaining access to root? |
| 16:49.28 | MusicMonkey5555 | anyway I am trying to connect to my pre by following these steps: http://burnsforce.com/original-guides/got-root-how-to-hack-a-palm-pre/ |
| 16:49.45 | Abyssul | Why those? Use the official Webos-internal.org procedures |
| 16:49.59 | MusicMonkey5555 | yeah I tried that as well and same issue |
| 16:50.19 | MusicMonkey5555 | I am in dev mode, the thing is connected via usb and in charge mode |
| 16:50.39 | kesne | Morning All |
| 16:50.43 | Abyssul | I would help, but Im busy with my theme. |
| 16:50.46 | MusicMonkey5555 | and then I run novatern.exe and hit connect |
| 16:50.51 | MusicMonkey5555 | and I get the same error |
| 16:51.04 | Abyssul | bows to Kesne |
| 16:51.32 | MusicMonkey5555 | either way it says unable to find device |
| 16:52.05 | destinal | MusicMonkey5555: you installed the SDK? |
| 16:52.09 | MusicMonkey5555 | yeah |
| 16:52.16 | MusicMonkey5555 | oh and on: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Accessing_Linux_Using_Novaterm |
| 16:52.27 | MusicMonkey5555 | by run it it means install the sdk correct? |
| 16:52.35 | MusicMonkey5555 | cause that is what I am assuming |
| 16:52.41 | Abyssul | SDK? I still use the old school method of rooting my Pre |
| 16:53.06 | destinal | MusicMonkey5555: yeah. |
| 16:53.12 | Abyssul | I have win 7 64 bit too lol Thats the worst kind to root too |
| 16:53.26 | MusicMonkey5555 | I am able to connect fine when the emulator is running, but I am assuming at that point I am connecting to the emulator |
| 16:53.39 | destinal | Abyssul: now you're just trying to provoke me :P |
| 16:53.52 | MusicMonkey5555 | oh yeah should probably mession that I am in the same situation as Abyssul |
| 16:54.37 | destinal | MusicMonkey5555: so the question is -- do you have the Palm Novacom service running yet? |
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| 16:54.48 | destinal | on Windows 7 I thought the SDK doesn't install properly |
| 16:54.50 | MusicMonkey5555 | *mention |
| 16:55.19 | destinal | oh, looks like maybe they fixed that |
| 16:55.23 | MusicMonkey5555 | probably not |
| 16:55.42 | MusicMonkey5555 | yeah you just have to do a regedit |
| 16:56.04 | destinal | MusicMonkey5555: can you bring up your services control panel and look for Palm Novacom service and stop and restart it? |
| 16:57.15 | MusicMonkey5555 | yeah I didn't find it so it must not be running |
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| 16:58.18 | ir0nic | so i will be back later. |
| 16:58.25 | destinal | MusicMonkey5555: are you sure the sdk is installed at all? for instance, do you have it in start menu and the emulator icon, etc |
| 16:58.35 | MusicMonkey5555 | yeah |
| 16:58.49 | MusicMonkey5555 | I am able to run the emulator |
| 16:58.51 | destinal | ok, then you may be able to manually install the novacom service here |
| 16:58.52 | destinal | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Novacom_with_Windows_7 |
| 16:58.58 | MusicMonkey5555 | and connect to it just fine |
| 17:00.00 | destinal | they say that you shouldn't have to do these manual steps any more, but if you don't have the service installed, I would try them |
| 17:00.14 | MusicMonkey5555 | ok |
| 17:08.48 | MusicMonkey5555 | sweet it worked! |
| 17:08.58 | MusicMonkey5555 | you are the best destinal |
| 17:09.10 | MusicMonkey5555 | thanks for all the help! |
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| 17:10.12 | destinal | MusicMonkey5555: you're welcome :) |
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| 17:20.08 | kesne | is oil here? |
| 17:37.01 | Templarian | I don't think so. |
| 17:49.35 | ir0nic | oh sup guys |
| 17:49.46 | yokken | soup templarian |
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| 17:52.03 | Templarian | no thanks. |
| 17:52.46 | yokken | okay. |
| 17:52.49 | yokken | what's up? |
| 17:53.41 | Templarian | Doing some homework and fixing a bug in komodo. |
| 17:53.58 | Templarian | you? |
| 17:57.12 | yokken | probably starting homework soon |
| 17:58.28 | Templarian | Fun homework? |
| 17:58.37 | Templarian | (it's probably more fun that accounting) |
| 17:58.41 | yokken | precalculus? |
| 17:59.11 | Templarian | oh so about the same. |
| 18:00.07 | yokken | so i just thought i'd ask- where do you go to school, and what's the stereotypical compsci major like there? |
| 18:02.22 | Templarian | Western Michigan University. I'm an accounting major. But CS majors vary greatly. Some more geeky some are pretty cool. Majority are pretty geeky though. |
| 18:02.48 | Templarian | Lot of long hair light beards like they've been up till 4am coding. |
| 18:03.13 | Templarian | I have a brother that fits the stereotype down to a tee. |
| 18:04.05 | yokken | oh man. do they smell gross too? |
| 18:04.23 | Templarian | Not sure I'm not the type to hang out with CS majors. lol. |
| 18:04.37 | yokken | cs majors typically hate each other |
| 18:04.53 | Templarian | The guru's all have very strong ego's. |
| 18:05.03 | yokken | no apostrophe |
| 18:05.12 | yokken | but yes, we do |
| 18:05.35 | yokken | i'm fine with my compsci FRIENDS, but as soon as you put me next to a smelly kid who thinks he knows everything, i get into rage mode |
| 18:05.40 | Templarian | (i know) Like my little bro is one of those gurus. You know took the 500 and 400 level classes as a freshman. |
| 18:05.53 | yokken | oh i'm not THAT smart |
| 18:06.10 | yokken | i took a german 201 course in my junior year of high school and that's the highest that was offered |
| 18:06.27 | Templarian | Yea, luckily he's one of the nice ones and helps the regular CS students out on those huge projects. |
| 18:06.30 | yokken | but i am good with computers, that's for sure. :) |
| 18:06.46 | yokken | i haven't gotten a "huge" project yet... kind of excited, actually |
| 18:06.51 | yokken | gives me an excuse to stay up til 4 coding |
| 18:07.53 | Templarian | After 300 level the projects just get larger and more complicated. Some are pretty open ended though so it seems kind of fun other than the time constraint. |
| 18:09.41 | Templarian | yokken: what level are you sophmore/junior? |
| 18:09.47 | yokken | i'm still a freshman haha |
| 18:09.56 | yokken | just started this august |
| 18:09.59 | sportman | woo freshman lol |
| 18:10.09 | yokken | glad i come off as a soph/junior though |
| 18:10.12 | Templarian | Oh so your just getting use to this. Yea, you will have fun good luck is all I can say. |
| 18:10.20 | sportman | yokken: college or highschool? |
| 18:10.22 | Templarian | yokken: I thought more sophmore. |
| 18:10.23 | yokken | college |
| 18:10.33 | sportman | = junior |
| 18:10.44 | Templarian | = junior with a ton of credits. |
| 18:10.54 | sportman | nice Templarian |
| 18:10.59 | yokken | i may be a compsci major, and i may be geeky, but damn if i'm not one of the best-dressing compsci majors on this campus. |
| 18:11.25 | sportman | facebook? lol |
| 18:11.29 | yokken | you got it |
| 18:11.43 | sportman | um, so quick question any reason why the webos repair utility |
| 18:11.49 | sportman | keeps giving me conneciton errors? |
| 18:11.56 | sportman | mostly connection refused |
| 18:12.00 | yokken | http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs166.snc1/6213_1108930964800_1272600240_30409911_5339545_n.jpg |
| 18:12.16 | yokken | did the link post? linkinus refuses to show me... |
| 18:12.36 | sportman | nerds of the future unite |
| 18:12.36 | sportman | http://b6.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01177/67/89/1177769876_m.jpg |
| 18:12.48 | yokken | i love it |
| 18:12.48 | Decimation_ | Last call, anyone who wants to buy a Windows 7 Ultimate key, let me know. 1 left. |
| 18:13.16 | yokken | sportman, did my link post? |
| 18:13.33 | sportman | yes it posted |
| 18:13.36 | yokken | thanks |
| 18:14.02 | yokken | i have portrayed the same aesthetic for over a year now |
| 18:14.09 | yokken | and i look better in it now than i ever have |
| 18:14.12 | sportman | lol |
| 18:14.14 | sportman | good 4 u man |
| 18:14.32 | Templarian | thinks hehe typical CS students actually |
| 18:14.40 | yokken | what's up? |
| 18:14.54 | yokken | look legit as hell and i can write programs? |
| 18:14.58 | yokken | WHOWOULDATHUNKIT |
| 18:15.06 | sportman | looking at the compsci majors at my school |
| 18:15.20 | sportman | none of them portray the geek stereo type |
| 18:15.38 | Templarian | should http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs141.snc1/5216_236382005256_813140256_7540284_1661531_n.jpg << I think typical business/accountant. |
| 18:15.55 | yokken | hahaha yes |
| 18:16.02 | yokken | that or geology |
| 18:16.35 | yokken | sportman, where do you go to school? |
| 18:16.42 | yokken | i'm at the university of minnesota-morris |
| 18:16.51 | sportman | Bryant University in RI |
| 18:17.09 | yokken | 1800 kids... same size as my high school. haha |
| 18:17.27 | Templarian | 2 year college I presume? |
| 18:17.34 | yokken | nope. |
| 18:17.48 | yokken | actually it got best public liberal arts college in the US 6 years in a row |
| 18:17.55 | yokken | and it's super cheap. i don't get it |
| 18:17.58 | sportman | universities usually aren't 2 year right? |
| 18:18.07 | yokken | it's a full 4-year college |
| 18:18.11 | Templarian | Universties by nature are 4 to 5 years. |
| 18:18.18 | Templarian | 6 if you screw up. |
| 18:18.19 | yokken | my friend is taking 20 credits this semester |
| 18:18.31 | yokken | double majoring in math and compsci |
| 18:18.37 | yokken | i'm gonna try and get him to triple major with physics |
| 18:18.45 | *** join/#webos-internals dkirker1 (n=dkirker1@gateway0.openmobl.com) |
| 18:18.47 | yokken | if enough of his math and physics course requirements overlap, he can do it in 4. |
| 18:18.55 | Templarian | You automatically get a minor in math for a compsci. |
| 18:19.02 | yokken | maybe at your school |
| 18:19.06 | sportman | goes to a business school |
| 18:19.14 | yokken | at my school you need 30 credits in something ot minor |
| 18:19.18 | yokken | 60 for a major |
| 18:19.20 | sportman | mine comes with a management minor |
| 18:19.21 | sportman | :D |
| 18:19.27 | yokken | i'll kill someone if i have to take 30 credits of math |
| 18:19.27 | Templarian | yokken: yea not that hard to do actually. |
| 18:19.42 | sportman | where do you go Templarian ? |
| 18:19.52 | yokken | as far as i'm aware, my compsci major only requires calc 1 and 2 other petty math courses or something |
| 18:20.10 | Templarian | WMU, Western Michigan University. |
| 18:20.31 | yokken | "make me a sandwich." what? make it yourself. "sudo make me a sandwich." okay. |
| 18:20.45 | yokken | i hope you've all seen that |
| 18:21.04 | yokken | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/sandwich.png |
| 18:21.05 | Templarian | Of course. It's XKCD right? |
| 18:21.09 | yokken | yep. |
| 18:21.22 | yokken | super funny |
| 18:21.23 | Templarian | I think it's on my wall at work. |
| 18:21.24 | jettero | Templarian: I attend WMU also |
| 18:21.25 | jettero | small world |
| 18:21.30 | jettero | we should be pre buddies |
| 18:21.33 | yokken | i think i laughed for a full five minutes when i first saw it |
| 18:21.36 | jettero | er.. Prē |
| 18:21.38 | yokken | start a WMU pre club |
| 18:21.40 | Templarian | jettero: lol, what major? |
| 18:21.48 | jettero | I'm beyond major. I'm in grad school |
| 18:21.49 | sportman | nice Templarian |
| 18:21.50 | jettero | (CS) |
| 18:21.59 | yokken | jettero, then you're in the right place. haha |
| 18:22.16 | jettero | I'm in the right place? why do you say? |
| 18:22.18 | sportman | i love that sandwhich joke |
| 18:22.24 | yokken | me too |
| 18:22.28 | Templarian | jettero: nice, yea there are quite grad students around. Do you work for wmu by chance? |
| 18:22.43 | jettero | no |
| 18:22.47 | jettero | I did, back in 1998 though |
| 18:23.03 | jettero | I was "assistant sysadmin" for the cs dept when I was undergrad |
| 18:23.05 | Templarian | Oh so you're a mega grad student hehe. |
| 18:23.10 | jettero | mega? |
| 18:23.19 | jettero | megasuper, that's me |
| 18:23.29 | jettero | I'm on the 12 year graduate plan |
| 18:23.36 | sportman | lol jettero |
| 18:23.39 | Templarian | lol |
| 18:24.28 | jettero | What major are you? |
| 18:24.32 | jettero | did I miss it? |
| 18:24.39 | Templarian | Accounting (yea you missed it) |
| 18:24.43 | jettero | :) |
| 18:24.48 | jettero | cool, I have a favorite CPA |
| 18:24.55 | jettero | she's saved us like $18,000,000 so far |
| 18:24.58 | Templarian | I'm a web devleoper for ATIS WMU though. |
| 18:25.00 | jettero | I'm exaggerating a little |
| 18:25.05 | *** join/#webos-internals FreeTim (n=freetim@pool-71-184-186-81.bstnma.east.verizon.net) |
| 18:25.14 | Templarian | (their online course stuff) |
| 18:26.05 | Templarian | jettero: funny thing if you were on earlier you would have seen me post one of my clients projects (I freelance once and a while for wmu) http://wh.templarian.com/ Western Herald. |
| 18:26.49 | jettero | I blog using cs webspace |
| 18:26.56 | jettero | I was a little surprised they just use your ~/www dir like that |
| 18:27.17 | jettero | http://www.cs.wmich.edu/~pemiller/ |
| 18:27.59 | Templarian | Yea they have it all secured up for anything in a ~folder not really a big thing. |
| 18:28.53 | Templarian | has access to all the servers anyway so not a big deal |
| 18:30.03 | jettero | I can one-up that. I have two personal servers, unmetered on an OC3, at work |
| 18:30.05 | Decimation_ | is a freshmen in highschool and doesn't know what he wants to do :( |
| 18:30.06 | jettero | :P |
| 18:31.12 | yokken | lol seriously decimation_? |
| 18:31.21 | Decimation_ | yokken: yesir. |
| 18:31.22 | yokken | ...jettero, OC3? :( |
| 18:31.31 | yokken | how do you get MSDN keys then? |
| 18:31.42 | yokken | your dad a techie with a subscription? |
| 18:31.46 | Decimation | i have friends ya know. |
| 18:31.52 | yokken | you're 14 |
| 18:32.02 | jettero | I'm pretty sure I'd buy my kids any developer packages they need |
| 18:32.02 | Decimation | yes. |
| 18:32.07 | jettero | we'll see, son is only 2 |
| 18:32.08 | yokken | what sort of friends would you have that have MSDN? |
| 18:32.10 | jettero | he's not ready for code |
| 18:32.18 | Decimation | jettero: never too young :P |
| 18:32.23 | yokken | jettero: please, for the love of children and sanity, don't let him learn lisp/scheme |
| 18:32.29 | Decimation | i didnt start till i was 11 though :( |
| 18:32.31 | jettero | so far he knows, "what noise does a dinosour make?" |
| 18:32.33 | jettero | hilarious btw |
| 18:32.45 | jettero | not really worth coding |
| 18:32.46 | yokken | i started HTML when i was 8 |
| 18:32.50 | Templarian | nice. You should teach him binary there is still time. |
| 18:32.52 | yokken | scheme is NOT worth coding |
| 18:32.55 | jettero | I wouldn't call HTML code |
| 18:32.57 | jettero | it's markup |
| 18:33.04 | yokken | it's still a step in the right direction :) |
| 18:33.10 | Decimation | yokken: well, i dont count html - i did that when i was about 8 |
| 18:33.10 | jettero | I can accept that |
| 18:33.13 | yokken | and... i'm still rubbish at it. |
| 18:33.21 | yokken | web design is not my forte |
| 18:33.22 | Decimation | when i was 11 i started working with visual basic and c++ |
| 18:33.29 | Decimation | yokken: me either :P |
| 18:33.35 | yokken | i did c++ in 7th grade... 12 or 13 |
| 18:33.45 | yokken | still wasn't good at it |
| 18:33.53 | yokken | i've never been exceptional at any sort of programming language |
| 18:33.54 | Decimation | i learned through game hacking |
| 18:33.58 | Decimation | great expierence. |
| 18:33.58 | yokken | hopefully college whips me into shape |
| 18:34.07 | yokken | Decimation: i hacked habbo hotel, cokemusic, and gunbound |
| 18:34.17 | yokken | memory editing and packet filtering... those were the days |
| 18:34.21 | Decimation | delta force games, call of duty, crysis, etc. |
| 18:34.21 | jettero | college seems to get easier every year |
| 18:34.24 | jettero | I wouldn't expect much |
| 18:34.26 | Decimation | all my loves for hacking :) |
| 18:34.48 | Templarian | yokken: you would die here. The classes start out and speed up going on the fact you know C++ or a brace language pretty well. :P |
| 18:34.55 | yokken | i wouldn't die |
| 18:35.12 | yokken | i speak german pretty well and german 2011 is a bit fast for my tastes, but i'm keeping up |
| 18:35.14 | Templarian | jettero: for CS majors that's true. Not for Accounting :( |
| 18:35.20 | Decimation | yokken: softice is my debugging lover. |
| 18:35.26 | yokken | i could easily handle c++ at a fast pace |
| 18:35.29 | yokken | softice is SO old |
| 18:35.31 | yokken | deprecate that shit |
| 18:35.43 | yokken | ollydbg is the only way to go |
| 18:35.44 | Decimation | old, but trusty |
| 18:35.47 | Decimation | that and ollydbg |
| 18:35.49 | Decimation | yeah. |
| 18:35.53 | yokken | and even then ollydbg... ugh |
| 18:36.02 | yokken | i start assembly next semester/year |
| 18:36.04 | Decimation | lol, i work both to the T |
| 18:36.17 | yokken | i guess one of the courses here goes through a bunch of languages for just one week |
| 18:36.24 | Decimation | learned on olly - expirermented with softice later. |
| 18:36.34 | yokken | ollydbg was too complicated for my tastes |
| 18:36.43 | yokken | i would let the pros make keygens and trainers |
| 18:36.47 | Decimation | ollydbg?!?!?!? simple. |
| 18:37.04 | ajames | valgrind or bust |
| 18:37.06 | yokken | i didn't have the eye for it when i was 14 |
| 18:37.10 | Decimation | anygame, i'd have the world2screen function in 5 minutes |
| 18:37.19 | Decimation | set up a game-engine based name tags function |
| 18:37.22 | Decimation | it was beautiful. |
| 18:37.24 | yokken | jmp, jne, pop... it's not my thing |
| 18:37.28 | Decimation | bone-based aimbot. |
| 18:37.41 | Decimation | i remember when i first starting learning to crack |
| 18:37.47 | Decimation | id just change all cmp's to jmp's |
| 18:37.57 | yokken | decimation: i seriously hope you pursue your hobby... you sound pretty good for 14 |
| 18:38.05 | yokken | sigh.. it's hard being average. :( |
| 18:38.20 | Decimation | yokken: gamehacking is what i learend on, dont feel bad :P |
| 18:40.15 | yokken | seriously... learning scheme is like submitting to satan |
| 18:40.25 | yokken | it's a sin in the programming world |
| 18:40.44 | Decimation | never heard of it? |
| 18:40.49 | yokken | it's awful |
| 18:40.56 | yokken | 2+2 = (+ 2 2) |
| 18:41.05 | Decimation | :| |
| 18:41.11 | Decimation | why... |
| 18:41.19 | yokken | oh, and when you write a function, you can't do more than one thing in it |
| 18:41.22 | yokken | UNLESS you use (and) |
| 18:41.36 | yokken | which... should be a comparison operator |
| 18:42.02 | Templarian | Decimation: just get really good at C++ and C# and university will be a easy. |
| 18:42.13 | yokken | AND c#!? |
| 18:42.17 | rboatright | yokken scheme is not satan. Java is satan. |
| 18:42.20 | jettero | valgrind is the debugger of awesome |
| 18:42.27 | yokken | i'm writing java next semester |
| 18:42.27 | jettero | it's practically zen (or so they tell me) |
| 18:42.30 | Decimation | C# is a work in progress for me right now Templarian. |
| 18:42.38 | yokken | i will respect any language that makes sense and do my best at it |
| 18:42.47 | rboatright | Java wipes young minds and warps them into odd and disfunctional shapes. |
| 18:42.50 | yokken | scheme does not make sense, yet somehow i am managing to learn it |
| 18:42.54 | yokken | why so? |
| 18:43.12 | Templarian | yokken: Yea, almost all groups you work in later on for projects will use C#. Just wait. |
| 18:43.24 | Decimation | i wish i could learn javascript |
| 18:43.31 | Decimation | ive tried and tried - i just cant do it. |
| 18:43.39 | Decimation | my mind isnt ready for it |
| 18:43.40 | yokken | templarian: i'll let you know in 2 years :) |
| 18:43.41 | rboatright | because, java (and C++ to a great extent, but more so java) cause students to develop an unhealthy attitude toward objects. |
| 18:43.51 | yokken | decimation, javascript is really easy |
| 18:44.02 | Decimation | yokken: everyone tells me that, i just cant do it |
| 18:44.02 | yokken | how you managed to make sense of ASM and not javascript is beyond me |
| 18:44.04 | Templarian | Decimation: once you get the basic logic down of how ecma works it gets easy. |
| 18:44.21 | yokken | rboatright: because java is like entirely OOP right? |
| 18:44.22 | Templarian | yokken: you get to take ASM next year I hear it's fun. |
| 18:44.35 | Decimation | yokken: i was raised on visual basic really, then picked up asm/c++ shortly after. |
| 18:44.39 | yokken | i hope i don't struggle too much with it, i just want it to be fun |
| 18:44.49 | jettero | please don't confuse java with javascript. I'm not reading this very carefully, but they seemed mixed |
| 18:44.56 | Decimation | yokken: i dont have a full understanding of asm. |
| 18:44.59 | Templarian | don't know a single low level language. C# is as low as it gets. hehe. |
| 18:45.00 | rboatright | in "real" object oriented languages, everything is an object. Java makes an inappropriate distinction between objects and classes. In java, recursion is difficult and for all practical purposes lambda is impossible. |
| 18:45.53 | yokken | what is lambda? i hear scheme uses it a lot and recursion is taught easily in scheme |
| 18:46.03 | yokken | but i have no idea what recursion is or what lambda is |
| 18:46.11 | jettero | lambdas are little anonymous functions that you can invoke in closures and mappings |
| 18:46.14 | DraX | java also has primitives that just aren't objects |
| 18:46.16 | jettero | they change your world view |
| 18:46.25 | Decimation | primitives = icky. |
| 18:46.31 | DraX | java = icky |
| 18:46.35 | rboatright | C++ shares that problem. In the most recent versions of C++ there are extensions that allow lambda, but it's "hard." |
| 18:46.35 | jettero | I have java. |
| 18:46.45 | yokken | so gimme a practical application of lambda |
| 18:46.47 | Decimation | just installed visual studio 2008 :P |
| 18:46.55 | Decimation | literatly - JUST installed. |
| 18:46.59 | jettero | you can at least do function pointers in c/c++ ... |
| 18:47.12 | Decimation | alot better than using vb6 :P |
| 18:47.45 | DraX | jettero: well you can do anonymous classes in java and get something that vaguely resembles a bad implementation of anonymous functions without lexical scope |
| 18:48.01 | yokken | head asplode |
| 18:48.05 | jettero | it's the lexical scope that makes lambdas so charming, so |
| 18:48.08 | jettero | fugg that |
| 18:48.45 | jettero | I suspect you could write your own lambda support for C using macros, but you'd have to map and free your own lexicals |
| 18:49.19 | DraX | apple did |
| 18:49.25 | DraX | see blocks |
| 18:49.31 | jettero | no |
| 18:49.32 | jettero | ;P |
| 18:49.49 | yokken | well i suppose i'll learn java when it comes up next semester |
| 18:49.54 | yokken | but this semester i have to put up with scheme |
| 18:50.10 | DraX | scheme is nice |
| 18:50.15 | yokken | NO |
| 18:50.16 | rboatright | scheme is nice. |
| 18:50.31 | DraX | you're lucky your school doesn't force java down your throat from the start |
| 18:50.41 | Decimation | scheme is nice. |
| 18:50.42 | Decimation | :P |
| 18:50.45 | rboatright | yokken -- look. In scheme (and in javascript) you can make a variable hold a function. |
| 18:51.00 | jettero | I've never formed an opinion on scheme, I should at least try it |
| 18:51.12 | jettero | rumor has it ruby borrows from scheme |
| 18:51.25 | jettero | no wait, smalltalk.. |
| 18:51.33 | jettero | ignore everythign I said, I can't recall |
| 18:51.42 | yokken | also in scheme, you can't redefine a variable |
| 18:51.44 | DraX | js is heavily influneced by scheme |
| 18:51.45 | rboatright | so ( in javascript syntax) you can say var helo = function (param) { return ("hello" + param);} |
| 18:51.55 | DraX | yokken: you can with set! |
| 18:52.02 | yokken | WAT? |
| 18:52.16 | rboatright | yokken you can redefine a variable in scheme |
| 18:52.19 | yokken | (define a 5) followed by (set a 10) will redefine it!? |
| 18:52.28 | rboatright | yep |
| 18:52.45 | DraX | you need to use set! not set |
| 18:52.46 | DraX | i think |
| 18:52.51 | DraX | it's been a while |
| 18:52.53 | rboatright | right |
| 18:52.56 | rboatright | set! |
| 18:53.11 | DraX | but that might just be necesssary to go up a level in the scope chain |
| 18:53.21 | rboatright | if your school does scheme first, you are truely blessed. |
| 18:53.39 | rboatright | Many schools have become javaschools and force java from day one. This sucks. |
| 18:53.50 | DraX | rboatright: well worse, they force GoF |
| 18:53.56 | rboatright | because in java, (and in c++) you can't pass a function ANOTHER FUNCTION as a parameter. |
| 18:53.58 | DraX | rboatright: and other overengineered bullshit |
| 18:54.36 | rboatright | which, among other things, makes recursion hard. |
| 18:54.43 | yokken | so beginning student doesn't let me do (set!) |
| 18:54.43 | Templarian | rboatright: really, i've found every few use java anymore. It's all C++ C# ASM C |
| 18:54.50 | yokken | but advanced student does |
| 18:55.12 | rboatright | Templarian: but there are a Bazillion java jobs out there. |
| 18:55.20 | rboatright | and so schools crank them out. |
| 18:55.39 | DraX | yokken: single assignment has good optimization benefits though |
| 18:55.41 | rboatright | C# is a MUCH MUCH better language thanjava. |
| 18:56.03 | DraX | yes it is |
| 18:56.03 | yokken | fuck scheme so much |
| 18:56.07 | rboatright | better objects, better inheritance, objects have true properties, objects are extensible.... |
| 18:56.11 | DraX | too bad you have to use mono or worse windws.. |
| 18:56.22 | jettero | DraX++ |
| 18:56.23 | rboatright | true DraX |
| 18:56.34 | jettero | At least you can actually run things in mono a little |
| 18:56.35 | rboatright | but it's a WAY BETTER LANGUAGE than java. |
| 18:56.45 | DraX | rboatright: don't disagree, it's java done right |
| 18:57.03 | DraX | it's basically if someone had hingsight and didn't need to worry about backwards compatability |
| 18:57.07 | DraX | they'd produce C# from java |
| 18:57.09 | jettero | I was an early adopter on hating java |
| 18:57.13 | Templarian | (we had this discussion a while ago, and expect mono to take over linux) |
| 18:57.14 | jettero | I got really passionate about it in 1997 |
| 18:57.20 | rboatright | last time I had to write a java program, the FIRST thing we did was write a case statement. :-) |
| 18:57.36 | yokken | as far as scheme vs java goes, at least for me |
| 18:57.42 | yokken | i'd rather a language be hard than annoying |
| 18:57.50 | DraX | yokken: java isn't hard |
| 18:57.54 | DraX | yokken: scheme is hard |
| 18:57.55 | rboatright | yokken. what scheme text are you using? |
| 18:58.01 | yokken | scheme is easy |
| 18:58.05 | DraX | scheme lets you do magic |
| 18:58.07 | yokken | How To Design Programs |
| 18:58.10 | rboatright | yep |
| 18:58.15 | rboatright | oh. :-( |
| 18:58.19 | DraX | sicp <# |
| 18:58.21 | DraX | <3 too :) |
| 18:58.35 | yokken | you guys keep it up, i'ma hate my college |
| 18:58.53 | DraX | my school didn't even have a cs department. :) |
| 18:58.56 | Templarian | yokken: why didn't you choose a tech school? |
| 18:59.02 | rboatright | yokken: if you want to get past the annoyment fast, and understand scheme FAST I have a suggestion. |
| 18:59.07 | yokken | RIT vs Morris |
| 18:59.07 | Templarian | Or any University for that matter. |
| 18:59.14 | yokken | $40,000/year vs $15,000/year |
| 19:00.06 | yokken | sure, rboatright |
| 19:00.12 | rboatright | get a copy of "The little schemer" and work through it. It's a programmed learning text, Every question is easy, every question is evolutionary of the question betore, and when you are done, you will grasp scheme and will have recursion down cold. |
| 19:00.27 | DraX | yes |
| 19:00.33 | DraX | i have a copy of the little lisper |
| 19:00.37 | DraX | it's a remarkable book |
| 19:00.54 | DraX | i think crockford did a translation of the little schemer to js |
| 19:00.56 | rboatright | and the little scheme is just hte little lisper translated to scheme |
| 19:00.59 | rboatright | he did |
| 19:01.26 | yokken | well i ubnderstand scheme pretty damn well right now |
| 19:01.33 | rboatright | http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/matthias/BTLS/ |
| 19:01.33 | yokken | i just hate it with a burning passion |
| 19:01.36 | rboatright | no you don't |
| 19:01.41 | yokken | not really |
| 19:01.43 | yokken | i just hate doing it |
| 19:01.44 | rboatright | you don't understand it at all |
| 19:01.51 | rboatright | you just understand its syntax. |
| 19:02.00 | Templarian | I don't understand why people choose to use those languages when there are such better syntaxs out there. |
| 19:02.06 | yokken | exactly |
| 19:02.12 | DraX | Templarian: that's why i don't write lisp |
| 19:02.13 | yokken | c or c++ syntax is so much better |
| 19:02.20 | rboatright | syntax tells you nohting about the language. |
| 19:02.21 | DraX | Templarian: but the power of the language is quite beautiful |
| 19:02.31 | rboatright | or javascript would be similar to C++ which it isn't |
| 19:02.41 | rboatright | javascript is scheme in C syntax |
| 19:02.45 | DraX | there are things you can do as a result of its ``ugly'' syntax |
| 19:02.54 | DraX | that are quite difficult or impossible in other languages |
| 19:03.12 | rboatright | and scheme is lisp without 100 close parenthesis at the end of a substantial program. |
| 19:03.12 | Templarian | Yea like python *ducks as everything close is thrown in his direction* |
| 19:03.14 | DraX | writing an IDE or a compiler for a lisp-ish language |
| 19:03.18 | yokken | i like python |
| 19:03.35 | DraX | is the way to truly realize their beauty |
| 19:03.35 | rboatright | oh yeah. Syntatically meaningful white space was a GOOD idea!!!! |
| 19:03.43 | Templarian | It's good for simple scripts, but why people choose to write huge projects it in it is beyond me. |
| 19:04.07 | yokken | i understand the almost-beautiful simplicity of scheme |
| 19:04.14 | yokken | and how doing simple things isn't complicated |
| 19:04.20 | yokken | but it's just annoying |
| 19:04.40 | yokken | writing a compiler for scheme would definitely make me understand it more, but i'm not nearly that talented |
| 19:04.56 | DraX | well its things like that where it's power is the most obvious |
| 19:05.04 | yokken | my friend wrote a python script to remove all possible white space in scheme code, so it's near-impossible to read for my professor to grade |
| 19:05.20 | rboatright | naaa |
| 19:05.29 | rboatright | he just has to run it through a scheme pretty printer. |
| 19:05.30 | DraX | it would have been so much easier to write that program in scheme |
| 19:05.31 | DraX | :P |
| 19:05.51 | yokken | he also wrote an extremely complicated encryption algorithm in python |
| 19:05.55 | yokken | took him 2 weeks of near-constant work |
| 19:06.02 | yokken | it's pretty cool actually |
| 19:06.03 | rboatright | what are you using to write and edit scheme? Are you using DrScheme ? which is the only rational ide I know of? |
| 19:06.08 | yokken | DrScheme, yeah |
| 19:06.17 | yokken | it's a nice IDE |
| 19:06.20 | rboatright | well that's a blessing then |
| 19:06.38 | rboatright | doesn't DrScheme have a beautifier/pretty printer built in? |
| 19:06.42 | yokken | if you had it installed right now i'd send you my latest program... haha |
| 19:06.44 | rboatright | I thought it did. |
| 19:06.47 | sportman | are there any beta versions of the os floating around? |
| 19:06.47 | sportman | :D |
| 19:06.57 | rboatright | sportman: no |
| 19:07.01 | sportman | lol |
| 19:07.02 | sportman | :( |
| 19:07.02 | yokken | it's a guy getting hit by a wrecking ball |
| 19:07.06 | rboatright | other than the leaked pre-release 1.2 |
| 19:07.16 | yokken | one of my function names to clear the wrecking ball is (clearthatfuckingwreckingball) |
| 19:07.23 | sportman | rboatright: what sort of features did that have |
| 19:07.24 | sportman | ? |
| 19:07.43 | yokken | LED notifications |
| 19:07.47 | rboatright | sportman: visit precentral, there are a lot of threads on the subject. just search the forums for 1/.2 |
| 19:07.48 | sportman | thats pretty hot |
| 19:07.51 | rboatright | 1.2 |
| 19:07.51 | DraX | yokken: you should look at the source for shutdown(8) on some *nix box. (At least BSDs) :) |
| 19:08.22 | DraX | void die_you_gravy_sucking_pig_dog(void); |
| 19:08.22 | yokken | i'm on a *nix machine right now |
| 19:08.22 | yokken | snow leopard 10.6.1 |
| 19:08.22 | yokken | hahaha drax |
| 19:08.30 | DraX | you can probably get that with nm on /sbin/shutdown.. |
| 19:08.32 | sportman | found a nice thing about wolfenstein for webos |
| 19:08.37 | sportman | wonders if there is an app out yet |
| 19:08.40 | DraX | oh, no it'd be stripped i assume |
| 19:09.06 | Templarian | sportman: there is a wolfenstien port yet. |
| 19:09.13 | Templarian | (it was a complete recode) |
| 19:09.37 | sportman | Templarian: isn't? or is |
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| 19:10.02 | yokken | it's windy as hell in morris today... freezing my butt off |
| 19:10.30 | Templarian | sportman: wrote that wrong "there is a worlfenstient port in the works" |
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| 19:11.29 | yokken | so i have a box fan in my window, right? it's so windy here right now that the wind blew the box fan OUT of the window. while it was on. |
| 19:11.47 | sportman | Templarian: good things, yea i saw something about it, i was curious if there was any testing going on ;) |
| 19:13.42 | ajames | anyone know where fileindexer is configured? |
| 19:15.03 | Templarian | yokken: You know how I said "guru" before. Here's a good way to tell http://wiki.gamedev.net/index.php/Binary_Packet_Code my little bro wrote the binary packet manager thing in C++ and C# for games/application, just look at that source. (he also wrote in ActionScript 3.0, but later stopped support so removed it when he updated it the last time). |
| 19:22.32 | yokken | oh my. |
| 19:25.21 | rboatright | another way to tell. geist the kernal program lead for palm pre did a novacom terminal for windows while we watched one night, coding the novacom parts by scratch, and dropping in a C++ terminal code in about 20 minutes. |
| 19:25.51 | rboatright | it isnt that the program was zo amazing, it was the 20 miutes part. |
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| 19:26.52 | ir0nic | sigh... router borked again |
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| 19:40.33 | sportman | so yay or nay to me trying out 1.2? |
| 19:40.38 | ir0nic | yay |
| 19:40.48 | sportman | i was planning on reformatting anyways |
| 19:40.50 | Templarian | nah |
| 19:41.04 | sportman | lol |
| 19:41.04 | Templarian | It comes out this week doesn't it? |
| 19:41.13 | sportman | thats a good point |
| 19:41.26 | sportman | but i thought the new app catalog was this week2 |
| 19:41.29 | sportman | *last week |
| 19:41.32 | sportman | but that never happened :( |
| 19:41.48 | Templarian | That's true. I think palm's f'ing with us so might want to just go ahead. |
| 19:43.10 | sportman | lol |
| 19:43.17 | sportman | well like, here is the deal |
| 19:43.20 | sportman | no one has my phone number |
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| 19:43.27 | sportman | so i can fuck around to my hearts desire |
| 19:43.45 | sportman | its my second phone line, which is going to be on all my new business cards, but until then |
| 19:43.48 | sportman | the phone is a toy :D |
| 19:47.05 | ir0nic | time for d2 |
| 19:47.07 | ir0nic | later guys |
| 20:01.33 | sportman | boo it got boring in here |
| 20:03.00 | scasplte2 | can anyone tell me what Error Installing [4] means? |
| 20:03.02 | Decimation | cause i elft :P |
| 20:03.25 | oil | it means the service reported state: failure |
| 20:03.36 | Decimation | scasplte2: you can. when the error pops up, click the preware word at the top left, then click ipkg log. |
| 20:03.36 | sportman | i kept getting that with themes :( |
| 20:03.44 | oil | then the themes are failing |
| 20:03.57 | oil | because you have some sort of conflict with what the theme wants to do |
| 20:04.08 | sportman | installs 1.2 |
| 20:04.11 | sportman | don't judge me :d |
| 20:04.12 | sportman | :-p |
| 20:08.53 | sportman | is there an easy way to change my palm contacts? |
| 20:09.04 | sportman | i hate how it merged my entire instant messanger buddy list |
| 20:09.09 | sportman | i don't want them in my contacts |
| 20:09.11 | sportman | its pissing me off |
| 20:10.11 | jettero | yes, you can go into your contacts, accounts, and remove the messenger contacts |
| 20:11.14 | sportman | good |
| 20:11.16 | jettero | whenever you add a new account to email, contacts, or messaging, it'll add it everywhere (synergy); then just remove them from wher eyou don't want them |
| 20:11.18 | sportman | it was upsetting me |
| 20:11.36 | jettero | it should really ask where you want it added with checkboxes or something |
| 20:11.44 | jettero | small thing compared to some of the things that actually bug me |
| 20:11.47 | sportman | agreed |
| 20:11.52 | sportman | hopefully with os updates improvements will happen |
| 20:11.59 | sportman | do you know if the leaked 1.2 is the official 1.2? |
| 20:12.03 | sportman | or not feature complete? |
| 20:12.17 | Decimation | not complete. |
| 20:12.20 | jettero | I highly doubt it, but don't really know |
| 20:14.13 | rboatright | someone could write an ajax app that talked to a web server that synced up your contacts, and let you checkbox them, and sync'ed back and bulk cleaned them. |
| 20:14.41 | rboatright | This would make it so when you did the dr you would not have to re-do eveyrthing just re-load ccontact cleaner and you're golden |
| 20:16.52 | PuffTheMagic | grrr. this friggen irc services is a pita... having a hard time deciding how to handle multiple guis and multiple servers per gui |
| 20:17.20 | oil | rick, you're up on licensing and what not, right? |
| 20:17.30 | rboatright | oil yea |
| 20:17.53 | oil | are we allowed to use palms icons if we edit them>? |
| 20:17.58 | oil | for example: |
| 20:17.59 | oil | http://i34.tinypic.com/2v2xnva.png |
| 20:18.04 | oil | for patches to the calendar and browser |
| 20:19.10 | rboatright | well, you can certainly use them if you DO NOT edit them. :-) |
| 20:19.22 | rboatright | 'cause you just point to palm's ones. |
| 20:19.30 | oil | right |
| 20:19.36 | rboatright | but you're saying you want to do the flash bit to indicate an update? |
| 20:19.37 | oil | but we would be including these with the autopatch feed |
| 20:19.47 | rboatright | oh |
| 20:19.50 | oil | so they appear in preware |
| 20:19.56 | oil | instead of the default icon |
| 20:19.57 | rboatright | right |
| 20:20.05 | rboatright | no problem I can think of |
| 20:20.11 | oil | ok |
| 20:20.40 | sportman | PuffTheMagic: what are you working on? an irc client? |
| 20:21.07 | oil | PuffTheMagic: it should certainly all be handled by the service and not the mojo xD |
| 20:22.58 | jettero | I'm really excited about this irc possibility |
| 20:23.06 | jettero | I doubt I'll use it, but it'd be nice to know it exists |
| 20:23.12 | oil | lol |
| 20:23.20 | jettero | :) |
| 20:23.32 | jettero | I'd also like to see a really good ssh client |
| 20:23.50 | jettero | the ajaxterm stuff seems like the right approach, but it's not satisfactory so far... |
| 20:24.13 | jettero | presently it's good enough to ssh into the phone and ssh to where I need to be using a nearby computer |
| 20:24.36 | jettero | er... currently |
| 20:24.39 | destinal | jettero: have you checked out the terminal application? |
| 20:24.55 | destinal | (this one -- http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal ) |
| 20:24.55 | jettero | uh, no. did I miss something good? |
| 20:25.13 | rboatright | jettero -- the terminal app lets you run a terminal on the pre and you can ssh out, or do anything else you would normally do with a terminal |
| 20:25.22 | jettero | oh yeah, I did look at that |
| 20:25.32 | jettero | I didn't actually try it though |
| 20:25.45 | jettero | it seems to say it doesn't work, good luck sucker |
| 20:25.46 | rboatright | why not? |
| 20:25.47 | oil | awwww |
| 20:25.52 | oil | its awesome |
| 20:25.55 | jettero | k |
| 20:26.00 | jettero | I'll try that when I'm less busy. |
| 20:26.02 | rboatright | jetterro, it works fine. but it's advanced hombrew. |
| 20:26.10 | rboatright | and we have to say disclaimers. |
| 20:26.14 | jettero | I can handle advanced homebrew. |
| 20:26.21 | oil | can you? |
| 20:26.23 | oil | xD |
| 20:26.26 | jettero | I got the feeling it wasnt' done cooking yet |
| 20:26.30 | rboatright | 'cause people don't understand that adv homebrew is not stuff from Palm. |
| 20:26.35 | destinal | jettero: it's way more usable than ajaxterm |
| 20:26.39 | jettero | :) |
| 20:26.42 | rboatright | Well, it's still cooking, but TOTALLY useable |
| 20:26.43 | jettero | well, I'll give it a shot then |
| 20:27.01 | rboatright | direct fb terminal is not as far along, since it doesn't have as many keybindings |
| 20:33.16 | dBsooner | hmagoo, ping |
| 20:34.09 | dBsooner | Anyone know why the App catalog is slower than dirt? |
| 20:34.30 | oil | dirt recently got a speed boost |
| 20:34.44 | dBsooner | I tap "download" it it takes like 10-15 seconds to start downloading or to give me the "this program rquires location services, continue?" prompt |
| 20:34.50 | dBsooner | WEll then ancient dirt. |
| 20:34.57 | oil | lol |
| 20:35.03 | rboatright | because it's running on a deprecated server slice that is going to be completely replaced by the new app catalog probably in the next week and no one is paying attention to it |
| 20:35.32 | dBsooner | rboatright: is that an assumption? |
| 20:36.10 | rboatright | no |
| 20:36.16 | rboatright | that's from my minder at palm |
| 20:37.14 | dBsooner | can't find where to remove this Flash of Red and Black theme |
| 20:37.53 | dBsooner | I guess I need the original palm theme to "fix" it back to normal so I can install a new theme and be able to REMOVE that theme properly |
| 20:44.20 | dBsooner | Abyssul, ping |
| 21:02.48 | dBsooner | HOLY CRAP |
| 21:02.54 | dBsooner | any of you into NFL? |
| 21:03.01 | dBsooner | If so, how about that Viking finish? |
| 21:03.10 | jettero | not enough to care, but enough to know that detroit won |
| 21:03.17 | oil | lol |
| 21:03.23 | dBsooner | Brette Favre Did it again! |
| 21:03.40 | dBsooner | 2 seconds left.. touch down pass to back of the endzone, amazing grab too |
| 21:03.44 | oil | i thought that guy was dead... |
| 21:03.50 | dBsooner | I thought he was too |
| 21:04.42 | dBsooner | But after that throw and catch.. Favre for President! |
| 21:09.56 | jettero | I found the most amazing homebrew today: Agenda. Why isn't it built into the palm calendar? |
| 21:10.04 | jettero | I would have clicked that guy's donate button |
| 21:16.47 | Robi_ | heh i got an error installing that app [4] |
| 21:19.49 | egaudet | Favre has the most INT of any qb ever! |
| 21:19.57 | dBsooner | lol |
| 21:20.02 | dBsooner | and has been paid the most money |
| 21:20.03 | egaudet | and Brady is the first QB to throw for 200 TD's with less than 100 INT |
| 21:20.08 | egaudet | GOAT |
| 21:20.54 | dBsooner | GRRR |
| 21:21.05 | dBsooner | I am going to have to webosdoctor to get rid of this theme?!?! |
| 21:21.22 | egaudet | dBsooner, no |
| 21:21.42 | egaudet | repair utility? |
| 21:21.45 | dBsooner | Well, WOQI shows me to be on the default theme, preWare doesn't show me to have one installed |
| 21:21.53 | dBsooner | repair utility isn't showing any differences |
| 21:21.56 | dBsooner | wait.. let me try it again |
| 21:22.12 | egaudet | reboot pre |
| 21:23.28 | dBsooner | there it goes |
| 21:23.54 | dBsooner | finding diff's in images now |
| 21:24.23 | egaudet | if you run the repair utility while preware/wosqi show it as "installed" then I think it will ignore the changes |
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| 21:26.05 | dBsooner | preware and wosqi didn't sow one installed |
| 21:26.19 | dBsooner | I think Abyssul changed the name of his ipkg and so the feeds didn't show it installed anymore |
| 21:26.37 | dBsooner | so when I went into WOQI and preware both thought I was on default theme |
| 21:26.53 | dBsooner | but I sure as shoot had red and black on my pre |
| 21:26.58 | dBsooner | so then I "isntaleld it" |
| 21:27.03 | dBsooner | which did what I thought it would do |
| 21:27.06 | egaudet | ohhh, well the repair utility might just ignore the ones that have backup files associated with it, so if the backup file stay but the package info got screwed up that might cause repair utility to ignore them idk |
| 21:27.10 | dBsooner | made backups of the red/black as old |
| 21:27.37 | dBsooner | then when I REMOVED after installing.. it restored the old red/black as original |
| 21:27.44 | dBsooner | but now it's finding diff's, so its restoring |
| 21:27.59 | wh0dat | did i hear a rumor about yahoo IM working on the pre now? |
| 21:28.20 | dBsooner | it's on the main page |
| 21:28.22 | dBsooner | of precentral |
| 21:28.27 | dBsooner | and no, it's not 'ready' yet |
| 21:28.32 | wh0dat | ahh |
| 21:29.06 | wh0dat | main page is about web os 1.2 |
| 21:29.27 | wh0dat | ahh, its the article below that |
| 21:29.30 | wh0dat | cool |
| 21:30.42 | dBsooner | see, told ya it was there |
| 21:30.53 | dBsooner | and That article puts a knife in oil's side |
| 21:31.04 | wh0dat | why is that? |
| 21:31.17 | dBsooner | that guy Ron plans on using libpurple to integrate IRC |
| 21:31.26 | dBsooner | but I'd rather go with oil's idea |
| 21:32.32 | wh0dat | its a good idea, libpurple is what pidgin uses, which supports irc natively |
| 21:32.43 | dBsooner | right. |
| 21:32.44 | wh0dat | oh |
| 21:32.55 | dBsooner | But oil and them were going to write their own background service |
| 21:33.10 | wh0dat | how would that be better? |
| 21:33.35 | wh0dat | we can already use ircii through ssh on the pre ;) lol |
| 21:34.21 | dBsooner | because its oil |
| 21:34.22 | dBsooner | :D |
| 21:34.28 | dBsooner | and Puff |
| 21:34.34 | wh0dat | hehe ;-) |
| 21:34.42 | egaudet | v0.1.9 patches in autopatch feed should all apply cleanly |
| 21:34.51 | dBsooner | ALL of them? |
| 21:35.02 | Robi_ | after uninstalling virt keyb , can't reinstall it now |
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| 21:36.01 | egaudet | ALL of them |
| 21:36.14 | dBsooner | so you would take it out of beta then? |
| 21:36.21 | egaudet | of course some patches still might conflict with each other, but that's another issue |
| 21:36.34 | egaudet | soon |
| 21:36.37 | dBsooner | the patches in WOQI don't conflict |
| 21:36.39 | dBsooner | ;P |
| 21:38.36 | egaudet | most of the patches shouldn't conflict, but for instance when we have 4x4 AND 5x4 launcher icon patches, they will conflict obviously |
| 21:42.05 | dBsooner | so you're tellin me if I go "romove all patches" from WOQI again |
| 21:42.21 | dBsooner | and start nailin these ipkg autopatches, i'm gold? |
| 21:44.57 | egaudet | i'd believe so |
| 21:45.18 | egaudet | and WOQI will be going to the patch ipk's as well |
| 21:45.30 | egaudet | once it's publicly unleashed |
| 21:46.06 | dBsooner | so you think |
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| 21:47.18 | egaudet | I've been in communication with jason, and he's offered to help, and see: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all/ |
| 21:47.23 | egaudet | damnit |
| 21:47.26 | egaudet | http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/203951-webos-quick-install-contd-63.html#post1922421 |
| 21:47.47 | egaudet | oil ping! |
| 21:48.29 | dBsooner | why won't that canuck come hang out with us in here? |
| 21:52.28 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: who is Ron |
| 21:52.37 | PuffTheMagic | and what about libpurple and IRC? |
| 21:53.03 | dBsooner | sorry, Greg. |
| 21:53.47 | PuffTheMagic | it dont matter if he adds IRC support to the the adapter |
| 21:53.57 | PuffTheMagic | cause the IM app isnt designed to be an IRC client |
| 21:54.19 | PuffTheMagic | so the whole framework for an IM app isnt gonna be that useful |
| 21:54.25 | dBsooner | see... so puff and oil are still makin my IRC client. :D |
| 21:54.49 | PuffTheMagic | no |
| 21:54.54 | dBsooner | :( |
| 21:54.56 | PuffTheMagic | we are making my IRC client :D |
| 21:55.00 | dBsooner | hehehe |
| 21:55.06 | dBsooner | for all of use to share |
| 21:55.36 | PuffTheMagic | even if he adds irc support to libpurdple adapter i wouldnt use it |
| 21:55.46 | dBsooner | Geesh Abyssul!! How many images did you edit in your theme? |
| 21:55.58 | PuffTheMagic | im using libircclient |
| 21:56.10 | dBsooner | I thought libpurple had IRC support built in? Hints Pidgin/Gaim |
| 21:56.10 | PuffTheMagic | its more complete of an IRC lib |
| 21:56.44 | PuffTheMagic | yeah it does |
| 21:56.58 | PuffTheMagic | but pidgin is a piece of shit irc client |
| 21:57.03 | dBsooner | that it is |
| 21:57.15 | dBsooner | almost as bad as Trillian Astra |
| 21:57.25 | PuffTheMagic | and the client is probably a pretty good reflection of the library's support for IRC |
| 21:57.46 | PuffTheMagic | libircclient supports multithreading |
| 21:57.49 | PuffTheMagic | and DCC |
| 21:57.59 | PuffTheMagic | and is RFC 1459 compat |
| 21:58.23 | PuffTheMagic | and i dont need to modify existing libs used by palm |
| 21:58.26 | PuffTheMagic | using libircclient |
| 21:58.29 | dBsooner | lol.. dcc files back and forth through pre client.. |
| 21:58.31 | dBsooner | thats nice |
| 21:58.41 | dBsooner | just don't start it with a P.. ;) |
| 21:58.44 | dBsooner | like pIRC |
| 21:58.47 | dBsooner | don't do that |
| 21:58.49 | PuffTheMagic | its wIRC |
| 21:58.53 | PuffTheMagic | and wIRCd |
| 21:58.57 | PuffTheMagic | for the sercice |
| 21:59.00 | dBsooner | why w? |
| 21:59.02 | PuffTheMagic | for webos |
| 21:59.06 | dBsooner | ahh |
| 21:59.13 | PuffTheMagic | i wanted pIRC |
| 21:59.17 | PuffTheMagic | but oil didnt |
| 21:59.29 | dBsooner | everything is Pre/p* |
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| 21:59.50 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: WELL YEAH |
| 21:59.55 | PuffTheMagic | it is a Pre im making this for |
| 22:00.01 | PuffTheMagic | i will never have a pixii |
| 22:00.08 | PuffTheMagic | i will have the pre for at least 2 years |
| 22:00.16 | PuffTheMagic | so i dont really care about other webos devices |
| 22:00.31 | PuffTheMagic | but i guess some other devs are trying to make a name for them selfs |
| 22:00.35 | PuffTheMagic | so they need it to be webos centric |
| 22:00.37 | dBsooner | I will have the Pre till Pre2 |
| 22:00.42 | wh0dat | sometimes i have one heckofa time getting the virtual keyboard to come up |
| 22:00.43 | PuffTheMagic | dont program for a living |
| 22:00.47 | PuffTheMagic | so i could care less |
| 22:00.59 | wh0dat | ..tap-tap.... waits... tap-tap... waits.. .tap-tap.. |
| 22:01.05 | PuffTheMagic | wh0dat: im wating for 1.2 so it will go away! |
| 22:01.15 | wh0dat | how will 1.2 do that? |
| 22:01.24 | PuffTheMagic | migh overwrite the files it touched |
| 22:01.34 | dBsooner | it will take a lot to get Virt keyb comapt again |
| 22:01.35 | dBsooner | ;) |
| 22:01.43 | dBsooner | s/will/might |
| 22:01.47 | wh0dat | oh, uninstalling it doesnt remove it totally? |
| 22:01.49 | PuffTheMagic | should be easy |
| 22:01.58 | PuffTheMagic | wh0dat: i cant uninstall |
| 22:02.02 | PuffTheMagic | cause it didnt install it with an ipk |
| 22:02.06 | kesne | Anyone here that can help me with ajax.request? |
| 22:02.06 | PuffTheMagic | anjd i didnt save the patch i used |
| 22:02.10 | wh0dat | oh |
| 22:02.31 | wh0dat | and you dont want to restore to factory, too much work ;) |
| 22:02.43 | dBsooner | don't need to restore fact |
| 22:02.49 | dBsooner | WORU |
| 22:03.00 | dBsooner | WebOS Repair Utility |
| 22:03.28 | wh0dat | grr. i want an airave |
| 22:03.36 | wh0dat | and they are out of stock |
| 22:03.37 | dBsooner | hugs his ariave |
| 22:03.42 | dBsooner | airave |
| 22:03.50 | dBsooner | his FREE airave |
| 22:03.52 | wh0dat | breaks down db's front door and steals it. |
| 22:04.19 | wh0dat | i tried to give my store the 3rd degree but they said they didnt have it, and wouldnt give it to me for free if they did |
| 22:05.00 | dBsooner | i screamed at Retentions |
| 22:05.03 | dBsooner | till they agreed to give me one |
| 22:05.15 | dBsooner | I had to buy it up front and then they gave me a $100 credit |
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| 22:06.45 | wh0dat | yeah well they are out of stock |
| 22:07.06 | wh0dat | if i bought one from a friend, would they let me enable it under my account? |
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| 22:16.49 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: how did u get it for free? |
| 22:16.54 | dBsooner | I don't see why they wouldn't. |
| 22:17.05 | dBsooner | PuffTheMagic: I gave Retentions hell. |
| 22:17.14 | dBsooner | said how I had been a customer for over 10 years |
| 22:17.17 | dBsooner | had every type of phone |
| 22:17.34 | dBsooner | even baught two touch pro's outright, then bought a Palm Pre outright 2 months later |
| 22:17.48 | dBsooner | (got all 3 for free, but that's besides the point. Sprint doesn't see it that way..) |
| 22:18.07 | dBsooner | but with the Palm Pre I get 0 to 1 bar of service at my house where the TP's got 4-5 bars |
| 22:18.11 | dBsooner | and that's teh truth |
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| 22:25.39 | dBsooner | so Preware takes the theme's XML and makes backups of all the files before it installs the theme? |
| 22:35.39 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, there are only 2 files you need to "fix" to get rid of the keyboard |
| 22:36.22 | egaudet | dBsooner, it should be a really clean and easy merge to get keyboard compat with 1.2 when it's released |
| 22:36.56 | dBsooner | you sure? |
| 22:37.04 | dBsooner | even with mojo framework changing |
| 22:37.05 | dBsooner | ? |
| 22:37.18 | egaudet | I'm not "sure", but I'm confident |
| 22:38.07 | egaudet | I merged it into the leaked 1.2 easily. I didn't test but it was a clean merge and I reviewed the framework changes and nothing should break it, they didn't modify anything the keyboard patch relies on |
| 22:38.48 | dBsooner | odd\ |
| 22:38.52 | egaudet | so when 1.2 comes out, i'll merge it into my git tree and generate a patch hopefully pretty quickly |
| 22:39.06 | dBsooner | WORU restored all the backup files.. and scan completes now without finding any files out of palce |
| 22:39.13 | dBsooner | but I still have the Red/Black theme installed |
| 22:39.14 | dBsooner | :( |
| 22:39.48 | egaudet | cache |
| 22:39.55 | egaudet | restart luna? |
| 22:41.03 | dBsooner | yup.. restarting phone now |
| 22:41.41 | dBsooner | grrr |
| 22:41.45 | dBsooner | Jason has to fix WORU |
| 22:42.07 | dBsooner | I switch here to type and when it finds a difference, it brings the scan tothe foreground |
| 22:42.16 | dBsooner | and the default selection is to "RESTORE ALL" |
| 22:42.25 | dBsooner | so when i hit spacebar, it automatically starts restoring all |
| 22:42.35 | dBsooner | so there went the keyboard js |
| 22:44.46 | dBsooner | loves seeing his 3 dead pixels on the reboots |
| 22:44.48 | egaudet | hehe, well he plans to make it more able to detect expected changed files (based on backups) and that sort of thing shouldn't be a problem when the patch as ipk stuff is released |
| 22:45.05 | dBsooner | might be webosdoctoring |
| 22:45.14 | dBsooner | doesn't mind though |
| 22:45.19 | dBsooner | I haven't done it yet |
| 22:45.23 | dBsooner | and I have had min since 6/6 |
| 22:45.45 | dBsooner | and with the new shell scripts. |
| 22:45.50 | dBsooner | Garrr.. it's still there! |
| 22:46.30 | dBsooner | all the icons are still the red/black |
| 22:46.51 | dBsooner | scp's to check the image directories for "bak" files |
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| 22:48.47 | dBsooner | grr |
| 22:48.55 | dBsooner | how do you sudo su - in WinSCP? |
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| 22:51.33 | egaudet | dBsooner, you can write a shell script to check what files differ |
| 22:51.47 | dBsooner | the .bak files are there |
| 22:51.49 | dBsooner | and are differ |
| 22:52.05 | dBsooner | I will ahve to go through everyone and restore manually |
| 22:53.22 | egaudet | try moving the .bak files somewhere else |
| 22:53.38 | egaudet | I believe the repair utility says "if .bak exists and it's good, then don't repair the file" |
| 22:53.48 | dBsooner | k |
| 22:54.23 | dBsooner | find / | grep ".png.bak" |
| 22:54.49 | dBsooner | yup all are tehre |
| 22:55.14 | dBsooner | let me remember my shell scripting here.. |
| 22:55.39 | dBsooner | I want to find all the .png.bak's in the rootfs and then rename then as .png.old |
| 22:55.58 | bpadalino | you should be able to pass -name *.png.bak i think to find ... so find / -name *.png.bak |
| 22:56.12 | dBsooner | right |
| 22:56.14 | bpadalino | and you could possibly pass it to xargs |
| 22:56.19 | bpadalino | for renaming purposes |
| 22:56.21 | dBsooner | I already found them with grep |
| 22:56.28 | dBsooner | find / | grep ".png.bak" |
| 22:56.35 | egaudet | find / -name \*.png.bak |
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| 22:56.51 | dBsooner | but then I need to to perform a MV on that file name |
| 22:56.56 | dBsooner | Wait! |
| 22:57.02 | egaudet | for i in `find / -name \*.png.bak`; do mv $i $i.old; done |
| 22:57.06 | dBsooner | I wrote a shellscript for 1.0.2 |
| 22:57.13 | dBsooner | yep |
| 22:57.26 | bpadalino | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xargs |
| 22:57.29 | dBsooner | lol |
| 22:58.19 | bpadalino | many ways to skin a cat |
| 22:59.02 | kesne | I need help with ajax |
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| 22:59.44 | hmagoo | hmm, tempted to just hit "restore all" with WORI but will that mess up the virtual keyboard install? I mean, break uninstallation/installation |
| 22:59.47 | bpadalino | just use a lot of elbow grease ... sometimes it takes a while, but it works pretty well |
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| 23:00.41 | Decimation | rboatright |
| 23:01.29 | egaudet | hmagoo, skip the 2 keyboard files |
| 23:01.41 | egaudet | /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework191_15.js |
| 23:01.56 | egaudet | /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/stylesheets/global.css |
| 23:02.05 | hmagoo | egaudet: I would not like to sit and click yes or no every 2 minutes. |
| 23:02.34 | egaudet | K well uninstall keyboard |
| 23:02.37 | egaudet | then reinstall it |
| 23:02.42 | egaudet | after |
| 23:02.48 | hmagoo | ok |
| 23:03.48 | hmagoo | looks like a will have to sit here anyways, with the Error 4, dialog box popping up |
| 23:03.50 | PuffTheMagic | fucking Bills played like shit today |
| 23:04.01 | egaudet | what error 4? |
| 23:04.13 | egaudet | cuz the Bills are a joke |
| 23:04.17 | dBsooner | hmagoo: how did it turn out? |
| 23:04.28 | hmagoo | Error 4: tmp/file does not exist |
| 23:04.38 | hmagoo | dBsooner: good man. worked great thanks |
| 23:04.41 | dBsooner | :D |
| 23:04.48 | egaudet | what are you using, doing |
| 23:05.12 | hmagoo | webos repair utility? linux |
| 23:05.53 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: yea... but im from buffalo... i have to be a fan |
| 23:06.12 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, it's cool, you are a division rival so I have to let you know how sucky they are whenever i can :P |
| 23:06.23 | egaudet | <-- New England (dynasty) |
| 23:06.35 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: ehhh, im so pissed about that first game |
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| 23:06.47 | PuffTheMagic | we always loose shit in the last 2 min |
| 23:06.51 | hmagoo | ran webos repair and customized carrier name is still there. |
| 23:06.52 | PuffTheMagic | its like guaranteed |
| 23:06.54 | PuffTheMagic | if we are winning |
| 23:07.15 | PuffTheMagic | why do people customize the carrier name.... |
| 23:07.15 | PuffTheMagic | is it cool |
| 23:07.23 | PuffTheMagic | does it do something special |
| 23:07.36 | egaudet | hehe yea that was a good game (for me) :D |
| 23:07.50 | PuffTheMagic | it was still a win for us |
| 23:07.57 | oil | i made my carrier name my name |
| 23:07.59 | PuffTheMagic | everyone said you were gonna walk all over us |
| 23:08.07 | oil | but i didn't fallow the directions exactly |
| 23:08.09 | egaudet | I don't believe in that moral victory crap |
| 23:08.13 | PuffTheMagic | oil: in cause you forget its your phone? |
| 23:08.15 | oil | i still want it to say airplane mode when in airplane, etc |
| 23:08.16 | egaudet | a W is a W and a L is a L |
| 23:08.20 | PuffTheMagic | s/cause/case/ |
| 23:08.28 | oil | no |
| 23:08.30 | oil | just because |
| 23:08.44 | oil | its better then it saying sprint |
| 23:08.48 | PuffTheMagic | lam |
| 23:08.50 | PuffTheMagic | e |
| 23:09.04 | PuffTheMagic | carrier string mod is lame! |
| 23:09.23 | hmagoo | yes, I love it! |
| 23:09.39 | egaudet | hey speaking of that, how can we get some stdout/stdin redirection from postinst to preware gui |
| 23:09.53 | oil | ? |
| 23:09.59 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: wait for my C service |
| 23:10.02 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 23:10.07 | PuffTheMagic | its tight |
| 23:10.15 | oil | it would have to go through the service |
| 23:10.29 | PuffTheMagic | but i havent implement 2/3's of shit that is in ipkgservice yet |
| 23:10.38 | PuffTheMagic | but its wicked fast |
| 23:10.43 | egaudet | yea well I'm trying to think of the logistics of say reading input from a user in the postinst, and having them be able to enter it to me from the gui |
| 23:10.44 | oil | well 2 3rds isn't even used |
| 23:10.49 | PuffTheMagic | and all output from ipkg is avail over subscription |
| 23:11.23 | PuffTheMagic | oil: i mean no confirmation support and no postinst/prerm |
| 23:11.33 | oil | well, that stuff is pretty important |
| 23:11.34 | PuffTheMagic | but install/remove/list/update works great |
| 23:11.38 | egaudet | so basically no anything! :P |
| 23:11.45 | PuffTheMagic | oil: thats why its not released yet |
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| 23:12.03 | PuffTheMagic | that and descriptions need to be limited |
| 23:12.07 | oil | puff just really likes to make me rewrite mojo all the time |
| 23:12.10 | PuffTheMagic | cause each feed entry can be only 8k |
| 23:12.10 | egaudet | I'm so happy that we don't need java for services |
| 23:12.17 | PuffTheMagic | or else libipkg segfaults |
| 23:12.20 | oil | lol |
| 23:12.45 | PuffTheMagic | those stupid long descriptions from precentral break libipkg |
| 23:12.56 | oil | they're far too long |
| 23:12.58 | egaudet | how? |
| 23:13.01 | PuffTheMagic | but dont worry |
| 23:13.09 | PuffTheMagic | Rod will never allow my C service to be used |
| 23:13.23 | PuffTheMagic | so i will have to make a fork of Preware |
| 23:13.26 | PuffTheMagic | Preware-ng |
| 23:13.27 | oil | cause its not webosinternals.org |
| 23:13.53 | PuffTheMagic | oil: no thats not why |
| 23:14.00 | oil | then why? |
| 23:14.12 | PuffTheMagic | oil: its cause other shit uses ipkgservice.... and we have to ask them before we switch |
| 23:14.29 | oil | that takes what, all of 10 seconds? |
| 23:14.29 | PuffTheMagic | and then that means it wont be my project any more |
| 23:14.33 | PuffTheMagic | caus ei wont be able to change it |
| 23:14.35 | oil | "we're switching to this that is better, ok?" |
| 23:14.36 | oil | "ok" |
| 23:14.38 | PuffTheMagic | cause there would have to be votes |
| 23:14.47 | PuffTheMagic | oil: no its not like that |
| 23:14.52 | PuffTheMagic | preware cant use it |
| 23:14.57 | PuffTheMagic | well |
| 23:15.02 | PuffTheMagic | i wouldnt be able to dev on it |
| 23:15.06 | oil | why? |
| 23:15.11 | PuffTheMagic | cause i would have to pass every change though a committie |
| 23:15.17 | PuffTheMagic | which is really jason and rod |
| 23:15.30 | oil | and thats... bad? |
| 23:15.40 | egaudet | wait Jason uses ipkgservice? |
| 23:15.42 | dBsooner | egaudet: seems to be working |
| 23:15.44 | PuffTheMagic | yeah i should be able to work on a service and add shit when i feel like it |
| 23:15.45 | oil | no he doesnt |
| 23:15.51 | PuffTheMagic | oil: well someone else uses it |
| 23:15.54 | egaudet | yea so it's only preware and... preload |
| 23:16.02 | PuffTheMagic | well... |
| 23:16.06 | egaudet | this is very simple, it's called API |
| 23:16.06 | oil | well thats common sense |
| 23:16.09 | oil | you make a service |
| 23:16.09 | oil | release it |
| 23:16.13 | oil | and people start using it |
| 23:16.15 | PuffTheMagic | oil: no its not like that |
| 23:16.19 | PuffTheMagic | not with preware |
| 23:16.23 | oil | you're not going to change it so it breaks everything |
| 23:16.29 | egaudet | API changes need more care and should only be done as necessary |
| 23:16.31 | PuffTheMagic | we have to worry about the "ecosystem" |
| 23:16.32 | oil | you're going to talk to them to make sure it will still work with what they have |
| 23:16.43 | PuffTheMagic | i dont care what they have |
| 23:16.48 | PuffTheMagic | i just want to ,make a service |
| 23:16.51 | oil | then why make a service for them to use? |
| 23:16.54 | PuffTheMagic | and let people use it if they wayt |
| 23:16.55 | PuffTheMagic | want |
| 23:16.58 | PuffTheMagic | but that cant happen |
| 23:17.03 | oil | i dont understand |
| 23:17.11 | oil | you just really want to break anything that uses your service? |
| 23:17.17 | oil | isnt that shooting yourself in the foot? |
| 23:17.35 | PuffTheMagic | oil: no.... |
| 23:17.44 | PuffTheMagic | its not broken unless someone upgrades to a new version |
| 23:17.46 | egaudet | ipkgservice should supply mojo with a required set of API for ipkg stuff |
| 23:17.54 | PuffTheMagic | if preware needs version 1 of my service |
| 23:17.58 | PuffTheMagic | and i come out with version 2 |
| 23:18.03 | PuffTheMagic | nothing forces people to update |
| 23:18.03 | egaudet | and any changes to that API NEEDS to take into account others using the service |
| 23:18.11 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: no |
| 23:18.11 | oil | right |
| 23:18.14 | egaudet | just basic software development practices |
| 23:18.15 | PuffTheMagic | not at all |
| 23:18.17 | oil | lol |
| 23:18.25 | oil | what good is the service if nobody uses it in their app? |
| 23:18.33 | oil | and if you continually break apps making changes on your own |
| 23:18.36 | oil | nobody is going to want to use it |
| 23:18.52 | egaudet | you come out with version 2, you make it backwards compatible |
| 23:18.53 | oil | so why release it in the first place? |
| 23:18.56 | PuffTheMagic | im not saying im gonna break it all the time |
| 23:19.02 | PuffTheMagic | or that i wont maintain backwards compat |
| 23:19.03 | egaudet | and if you really need to deprecate API, deprecate it |
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| 23:19.10 | egaudet | give time to port up, and then remove it |
| 23:19.11 | PuffTheMagic | all im saying is that no one forces you to use the new version |
| 23:19.17 | PuffTheMagic | so nothing is really broken |
| 23:19.24 | PuffTheMagic | the devs that use it can udpate their app |
| 23:19.34 | PuffTheMagic | if they want to use the new version |
| 23:19.34 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, yes but you don't release a version that breaks things |
| 23:19.41 | egaudet | you deprecate stuff and give time for devs to migrate |
| 23:19.45 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: if i need to make big changes that happens |
| 23:19.53 | oil | then you need to tell people using it that things are changing |
| 23:19.56 | oil | so they can get on board |
| 23:19.57 | dBsooner | It's only one person using it.. err.. one app |
| 23:19.57 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, there's almost always a way to keep it backwards compatible |
| 23:20.01 | dBsooner | besides prewaqre |
| 23:20.05 | egaudet | and you aren't talking about big changes, we are talking about API changes |
| 23:20.07 | PuffTheMagic | you guys are missing the point |
| 23:20.10 | oil | the point is |
| 23:20.12 | dBsooner | It's not like we are talking about thousands of peopel |
| 23:20.13 | oil | puff cares about nobody else |
| 23:20.14 | egaudet | API is a lot different than the implementation |
| 23:20.20 | oil | and wants to just make changes |
| 23:20.21 | oil | and not care |
| 23:20.30 | egaudet | The API needs to be decided by many, and it's a set of functionality that mojo REQUIRES, period |
| 23:20.39 | PuffTheMagic | no....... |
| 23:20.51 | wh0dat | uh oh.. coder drama ;) |
| 23:20.58 | wh0dat | hides. |
| 23:21.10 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: lets say you are making a xmms2 client |
| 23:21.11 | oil | i mean, if you're just going to continually release new versions that break preware, i agree with rod, preware wont use it |
| 23:21.18 | PuffTheMagic | xmms2 devs dont give a shit if theuir updates break your app |
| 23:21.21 | PuffTheMagic | they dont talk to you about it |
| 23:21.25 | PuffTheMagic | they make changes |
| 23:21.28 | PuffTheMagic | and if u want to use the new versionb |
| 23:21.30 | Joesmith | can anyone shed some light on this error I get with an ampache server? "Error Invlaid Handshae - Login Failed, timestamp too old" |
| 23:21.32 | PuffTheMagic | you adapt to their changes |
| 23:21.38 | egaudet | they wouldn't change their API |
| 23:21.39 | PuffTheMagic | you dont HAVE to use the new version |
| 23:21.44 | egaudet | without deprecating, documenting etc... |
| 23:21.44 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: they do |
| 23:21.58 | egaudet | i don't know squat about xmm2 so |
| 23:22.09 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: why do i need tell you about the change before i make it |
| 23:22.15 | oil | why dont you want to |
| 23:22.17 | bpadalino | because you |
| 23:22.19 | oil | is the real question |
| 23:22.20 | bpadalino | 'll piss people off |
| 23:22.20 | PuffTheMagic | why cant i say, new version works like this..... use it if you want |
| 23:22.25 | oil | why are you so against telling people whats going on? |
| 23:22.30 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, because you arne't making standalone software |
| 23:22.51 | PuffTheMagic | oil: besides you... the other people that use ipkgservice dont maintain a presense around here |
| 23:22.52 | egaudet | you are IMPLEMENTING an API between Mojo and Linux |
| 23:22.58 | PuffTheMagic | and im not going out of my way to track them down |
| 23:23.02 | oil | im sure they have an email address |
| 23:23.10 | oil | that would take all of a minute to shoot them an email |
| 23:23.13 | egaudet | ipkgservice is not it's own project, it is an implementation of an API. It serves 0 purpose on its own |
| 23:23.23 | PuffTheMagic | oil: it would take them a minute to look at my documentation |
| 23:23.26 | PuffTheMagic | and look at the changes |
| 23:23.27 | egaudet | you don't have to track who uses it |
| 23:23.29 | PuffTheMagic | if they want to upgrade |
| 23:23.34 | egaudet | you should just try to follow good practices |
| 23:23.45 | oil | its not a them problem |
| 23:23.49 | egaudet | Documenting changes, deprecating APIs, backwards compatibilty etc... |
| 23:23.51 | oil | the user will see this new version and want update |
| 23:23.55 | oil | breaking everything that uses it |
| 23:24.16 | egaudet | It's the devs who use the service job to keep up with changes I agree, but it shouldn't be a surprise |
| 23:24.16 | PuffTheMagic | oil: wrong |
| 23:24.25 | PuffTheMagic | oil: how could people be using something i didnt release yet |
| 23:24.36 | PuffTheMagic | if i make changes in a new version it dont affect ANYONE! |
| 23:24.47 | oil | when are you releasing the new version? |
| 23:24.47 | PuffTheMagic | not untill they decide they want to use it |
| 23:24.56 | oil | its not like its packaged with preware |
| 23:24.58 | oil | its a seperate app |
| 23:25.05 | oil | its listed in the installers on its own |
| 23:25.09 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, ipkgservice is NOT made for people who know what they are doing |
| 23:25.22 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: sure it is |
| 23:25.25 | oil | if rod released an update to the package service |
| 23:25.26 | egaudet | You shouldn't be taking that attitude of "don't update unless you know what it does" |
| 23:25.29 | oil | it would appear in the updates section |
| 23:25.32 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: ipkgservice is made for oil |
| 23:25.32 | oil | and i could install it |
| 23:25.38 | oil | not knowing that it breaks preware |
| 23:25.39 | egaudet | the ipkgservice should NEVER be released without backward compatibility |
| 23:25.59 | egaudet | unless there were well documented deprecated API functions that were known to be changing |
| 23:26.10 | oil | no egaudet that requires communication |
| 23:26.11 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: im not saying dont update unless you know what it does, im saying dont upgrade unless you want the new features and want to make changes if they are required |
| 23:26.17 | oil | puff doesnt want to communicate to anyone his changes |
| 23:26.28 | PuffTheMagic | oil: thats not true |
| 23:26.38 | PuffTheMagic | i will tell you all about my changes |
| 23:26.41 | PuffTheMagic | i dont want to ask you to make a change |
| 23:26.42 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, users dont care about ipkgservice |
| 23:26.44 | PuffTheMagic | that is the difference |
| 23:26.46 | egaudet | they don't use it directly |
| 23:26.49 | egaudet | they shouldn't care about what it does |
| 23:26.53 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: i dont care about users either |
| 23:26.55 | egaudet | ipkgservice is a service FOR developers |
| 23:26.59 | PuffTheMagic | im talking about devs |
| 23:27.07 | egaudet | so when you update ipkgservice, it allows the users to update it |
| 23:27.07 | Joesmith | I am feeling a little bit of negative energy in the once happy chat room |
| 23:27.08 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: yes im talking about devs also |
| 23:27.13 | PuffTheMagic | but a dev is a user of my segvice |
| 23:27.16 | egaudet | and if the user CAN update, they will |
| 23:27.18 | oil | well, someone else who is more open and knows the place of his service will make an ipkgservice in c, and preware will use it |
| 23:27.25 | PuffTheMagic | Joesmith: im a giant asshole |
| 23:27.27 | egaudet | but if you don't coordinate with the devs, then the users get a broken product |
| 23:27.36 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: no they dont |
| 23:27.40 | oil | they do |
| 23:27.42 | oil | if it doesnt work |
| 23:27.47 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: again why do they have to upgrade for no reason? |
| 23:27.51 | oil | but it doesn';t matter, puff doesnt care about users |
| 23:27.57 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, they WILL |
| 23:28.03 | egaudet | it doesn't matter what they SHOULD do |
| 23:28.19 | egaudet | you really have to get that thinking out of your head with this specific service |
| 23:28.23 | PuffTheMagic | hold on |
| 23:28.25 | egaudet | who cares about WHY |
| 23:28.31 | PuffTheMagic | hold on hold on |
| 23:28.38 | PuffTheMagic | ipkg spec supports depends |
| 23:28.44 | PuffTheMagic | and depends supports versions |
| 23:28.56 | PuffTheMagic | u can do Depends: ipkgservice (=1.0.0) |
| 23:29.01 | PuffTheMagic | and then the user cant upgrade |
| 23:29.14 | PuffTheMagic | well they could |
| 23:29.18 | oil | and they would |
| 23:29.24 | oil | and preware would stop working |
| 23:29.25 | PuffTheMagic | fuck them then |
| 23:29.28 | PuffTheMagic | if they are that stupid |
| 23:29.29 | oil | exactly |
| 23:29.36 | oil | we need someone to make a c ipkgservice that does care |
| 23:29.45 | oil | i have to say that i agree with rod |
| 23:30.01 | egaudet | it's not about them being stupid |
| 23:30.05 | PuffTheMagic | oil: i really only care about you |
| 23:30.06 | egaudet | there is nothing stupid about updating |
| 23:30.14 | PuffTheMagic | if you are the one using the service |
| 23:30.26 | egaudet | the user should not be expected to know the details of the packages and what packages are depending on specific versions etc... |
| 23:30.28 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: yes there is |
| 23:30.35 | PuffTheMagic | you are an idiot if u update for no reason |
| 23:30.40 | PuffTheMagic | if dont know why u are doing something |
| 23:30.40 | oil | will brb |
| 23:30.43 | egaudet | saying the dev of the installer needs to know what versions they are compatible with is fine |
| 23:30.43 | PuffTheMagic | then why do it |
| 23:31.03 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, that's absolute bull |
| 23:31.42 | egaudet | Do you know how much time I would have to waste in order to sit there and go through every single package in ubuntu that there is an update for every day? |
| 23:32.07 | PuffTheMagic | i dont upgrade anything in gentoo with out a reason to |
| 23:32.11 | egaudet | Sorry but no, if ubuntu told me a couple packages were updated and allowed me to update but it broke a bunch of other things I'd stop using it |
| 23:32.11 | PuffTheMagic | if its not broke dont fix it |
| 23:32.35 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, that's fine. and that's not a bad practice, but you need to stop expecting others to think exactly like you and be as knowledgeable/familiar with things like that |
| 23:32.37 | Joesmith | Please take a look if you know anything about ampache http://forums.precentral.net/1923612-post406.html |
| 23:33.15 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: if preware was smart, it would check to see if a package depends on a old version |
| 23:33.25 | PuffTheMagic | and not allow users to install something that breaks another app |
| 23:34.18 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, no distro ever releases a package update for something that cannot work standalone |
| 23:34.36 | egaudet | You can update ipkgservice all you want, but the release needs to be controlled |
| 23:34.47 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: thats wrong |
| 23:35.04 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: use a distro that dont treat you like a baby |
| 23:35.15 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, I don't want to |
| 23:35.29 | egaudet | I don't have the time to have to know about every single package on linux |
| 23:35.58 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: i guess you dont contribute pacakges to your distro either |
| 23:36.03 | egaudet | When I want/need to know certain packages etc... I have the power and know how to get what I need |
| 23:36.22 | egaudet | but I don't want to HAVE to do that for everything on my machine, and go through the logs and see what changes may or may not effect me |
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| 23:38.02 | egaudet | Bottom line is ipkgservice releases without regards to anything but your decision will never be supported, and you'd be writing ipkgservice in C only for yourself and fork preware just for your personal use. Which if that is what you want OK. |
| 23:38.04 | PuffTheMagic | throws in the towl |
| 23:38.05 | PuffTheMagic | done working on webos |
| 23:38.09 | egaudet | lol |
| 23:38.25 | egaudet | Is it really all or nothing with you |
| 23:39.06 | bpadalino | seems that way |
| 23:39.59 | PuffTheMagic | i shouldnt have to ask every user(dev) of a service i write if I can make changes or break API |
| 23:40.07 | PuffTheMagic | dont upgrade if you dont need/want the new changes |
| 23:40.10 | PuffTheMagic | why is that hard |
| 23:40.35 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, users have the power to update any package. That is why it is hard |
| 23:40.45 | dBsooner | yeah, users can upgrade that package |
| 23:40.47 | egaudet | First off "every user(dev)" is about 3 people |
| 23:40.47 | dBsooner | because it's new |
| 23:41.04 | egaudet | Second off the ipkgservice API should rarely if ever change any way |
| 23:41.06 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: they only can update it cause Preware isnt smart enough |
| 23:41.07 | dBsooner | and if they upgrade that service package, and it breaks an app tha tuses it. |
| 23:41.25 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: ipkgservice was the very first service i wrote |
| 23:41.27 | egaudet | Thirdly, if it DOES change the extra functionality can be made optional with backwards compatibility for the old API functions |
| 23:41.34 | PuffTheMagic | i've learned a lot since then |
| 23:41.37 | PuffTheMagic | i can do shit better |
| 23:41.50 | PuffTheMagic | 1.0.0 isnt even out |
| 23:41.51 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, OK that's fine and you can also write backwards compatible functions |
| 23:41.54 | PuffTheMagic | its beta |
| 23:41.58 | PuffTheMagic | expect shit to break |
| 23:42.04 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: i can |
| 23:42.11 | PuffTheMagic | never said i wouldnt |
| 23:42.13 | bpadalino | so confrontational |
| 23:42.18 | PuffTheMagic | but i shouldnt need to ask permission |
| 23:42.20 | egaudet | why is it so hard to keep it backwards compatible, deprecate the "old" functions, and create new ones |
| 23:42.37 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: i never said i wouldnt try to maintain backwards compat |
| 23:42.43 | PuffTheMagic | i just dont want to have to ask permission |
| 23:42.45 | PuffTheMagic | that is bullshit |
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| 23:42.49 | egaudet | it's not about trying, and it's not about permission |
| 23:42.59 | PuffTheMagic | its 100% is about that |
| 23:43.02 | egaudet | it's the fact that the entire ecosystem is resting on this stuff working |
| 23:43.13 | PuffTheMagic | then dont fucking update to it |
| 23:43.26 | PuffTheMagic | write a proper ipkg with a depends line |
| 23:43.28 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, that will never be valid, ever ever ever |
| 23:43.33 | PuffTheMagic | fix preware so it obeys depends |
| 23:43.45 | egaudet | you cannot depend on the user to make the right update decision, so just throw that out right away forever |
| 23:43.54 | bpadalino | i don't think developers really want to say "don't use my software" |
| 23:43.57 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: this has noithig to do with the user |
| 23:44.01 | PuffTheMagic | preware can prevent upgrades |
| 23:44.09 | PuffTheMagic | if preware requires 1.0.0 |
| 23:44.13 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, the "don't update" is a user decision |
| 23:44.15 | PuffTheMagic | why would it allow 1.1.0 |
| 23:44.21 | egaudet | maybe you just meant to word it "don't ALLOW update" |
| 23:44.51 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: depend field is just a waste right now |
| 23:44.57 | PuffTheMagic | and it should be used |
| 23:45.02 | egaudet | no it isn't a waste at all |
| 23:45.11 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: it is a waste cause preware dont use it |
| 23:45.15 | egaudet | all the patches use depends |
| 23:45.35 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: its under utilized |
| 23:45.53 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, you should NOT want to take on a project (ipkgservice) if you do not want to work with others |
| 23:46.13 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: i work with oil all the time |
| 23:46.19 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: its the others |
| 23:46.22 | kesne | I hate when the update can't connect |
| 23:46.24 | PuffTheMagic | that dont spend time here |
| 23:46.25 | egaudet | There is a very small group of people who's input matters on the ipkgservice |
| 23:46.27 | PuffTheMagic | that i dont give a shit about |
| 23:47.18 | egaudet | and that is not going to change, and if you can't accept not having complete control over every last detail of ipkgservice then you shouldn't expect it to be used |
| 23:47.37 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: i dont work on ipkgservice any more |
| 23:47.45 | PuffTheMagic | im talking about makign a new package manager service |
| 23:47.51 | PuffTheMagic | and if people want to use it fine |
| 23:47.55 | PuffTheMagic | but |
| 23:48.03 | PuffTheMagic | its never gonna happen |
| 23:48.29 | egaudet | It's simple really, I think you can contribute a lot to ipkgservice in C, but NO ONE will use it unless you follow some standard principles with a small group community decisions on API |
| 23:48.45 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: ipkgservice is a webosinternals project |
| 23:48.50 | PuffTheMagic | i have nothing to do witht aht any more |
| 23:48.56 | PuffTheMagic | its as simple as that |
| 23:48.59 | egaudet | A) you create package manager service in C and use it only for yourself |
| 23:49.02 | PuffTheMagic | i dont by this ecosystem shit |
| 23:49.08 | PuffTheMagic | we are not a distro |
| 23:49.08 | bpadalino | i say do what you want and tell everyone else to fuck off .. just do what you want |
| 23:49.14 | PuffTheMagic | we are a community of devs |
| 23:49.20 | egaudet | B) you work within the ecosystem as one of the main developers on an ipkgservice port to C |
| 23:49.46 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, none of us devs need a damn gui installer |
| 23:50.08 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: why cant i make a service and let oil choose to use it or not |
| 23:50.11 | PuffTheMagic | and then update the service |
| 23:50.16 | PuffTheMagic | and let oil use it or not |
| 23:50.18 | egaudet | the community DOES, and you become really selfish when you continue to say you don't give a damn about anyone but yourself |
| 23:51.08 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: i like the gui installer... i dont want to use google to track down ipkgs |
| 23:51.21 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, you can get them off the feeds you dont need google |
| 23:51.34 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: i would need to "find" feeds first |
| 23:51.41 | egaudet | no you wouldn't |
| 23:51.46 | PuffTheMagic | sure i would |
| 23:51.48 | egaudet | you know what feeds there are |
| 23:51.56 | dBsooner | wee!! |
| 23:51.56 | PuffTheMagic | only cause i worked on preware/ipkgsergice |
| 23:51.59 | PuffTheMagic | if it wernt for that i woudlnt |
| 23:52.01 | dBsooner | loves WORU! |
| 23:53.00 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, if you want a package manager service for only you, then go ahead make it |
| 23:53.33 | egaudet | but it will never be used by anyone but you |
| 23:53.51 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: if its superior to what exists it might |
| 23:54.01 | egaudet | no it still won't |
| 23:54.27 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: why is webos devel so much different that every other OSS devel |
| 23:54.36 | PuffTheMagic | no other library devs need to go though this bullshit |
| 23:54.39 | egaudet | not unless the devs that would use it are confident that a release would never break their system/stuff |
| 23:55.13 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: have you ever written any OSS software before for Linux... using OSS libs |
| 23:55.15 | PuffTheMagic | ? |
| 23:55.19 | egaudet | Go make whatever change you want to the linux kernel, and don't follow standards put in place and demand Linus to put it in the kernel |
| 23:55.39 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: thats apples and oranges |
| 23:55.54 | egaudet | I've never contributed to other OSS projects before no |
| 23:55.55 | PuffTheMagic | im not adding code to an existint project |
| 23:55.56 | PuffTheMagic | im making a brand new project |
| 23:56.02 | PuffTheMagic | and making it avail for peopel to use if they want |
| 23:56.23 | egaudet | but webos isn't Open source |
| 23:56.52 | PuffTheMagic | widows isnt either |
| 23:56.57 | PuffTheMagic | but there is OSS software for windows |
| 23:57.50 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, are there OSS projects for Windows that are simply windows services that do nothing but provide developers an API into Windows OS |
| 23:58.35 | dBsooner | you all done arguing? Cuz I got a real question about ipkg. :D |
| 23:59.00 | dBsooner | when I do "ipkg -o /var list_installed" I have a package installed without a name |
| 23:59.03 | dBsooner | how do i remove it? |
| 23:59.05 | egaudet | you want your package manager service to trully be open source or completely controlled by you? |
| 23:59.28 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: are they mutually exclusive |
| 23:59.55 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet: cause you admitted you havent made oss from scratch before or contributed |
