| 00:02.38 | Decimation | an option would be cool. |
| 00:02.38 | Decimation | hell, we need an on/off application for patches. |
| 00:02.38 | Decimation | just a toggle for all of them |
| 00:02.38 | Decimation | with a luna restart option at the bottom. |
| 00:03.58 | AZero | why am i getting an error installing battery percent app? |
| 00:04.09 | AZero | says something about the root mode in ipkg log |
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| 00:17.14 | freakout | greg_roll: just sent the money for my GSM Pre :) |
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| 00:19.24 | greg_roll | freakout: awesome!!! |
| 00:19.35 | wh0dat | is app catalog down or is it me? |
| 00:19.37 | greg_roll | freakout: and now you can have the correct keyboard layout :) |
| 00:19.50 | wh0dat | greg_roll: just wanted to say thanks for yahoo IM. |
| 00:20.10 | freakout | greg_roll: Yup. all hail the meta-doctor :) |
| 00:20.23 | thatdude | greg_roll: kudos |
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| 00:21.10 | greg_roll | hopefully ill have a new version out soon |
| 00:22.11 | wh0dat | it already does everything i need lol |
| 00:22.51 | wh0dat | yahoo contacts even work when merged. i guess that is only broken for msn (which i dont use). |
| 00:25.30 | Flashpass | wh0dat: app catalog workin for me |
| 00:25.50 | wh0dat | its working now |
| 00:26.06 | thatdude | Wish there was an option not to make it merge with contacts |
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| 00:26.45 | Flashpass | yeah, would be great to have more control over what gets automatically added to your contacts |
| 00:28.54 | hozer | hrrm.. is there any password-safe type thing for Pre and Linux? |
| 00:30.20 | hozer | it seems like the ones I've seen so far have been the notoriously insecure 'I'm going to invent a crypt-storage scheme' type ones, where they use blowfish or something |
| 00:30.43 | hozer | and really, I'd like to see one use an arm-binary libgnupg |
| 00:39.01 | AZero | what does 'offline root mode' mean? |
| 00:40.05 | oil | that you're running the install on a pre |
| 00:40.09 | oil | and thats it |
| 00:41.07 | AZero | trying to install batter percent and top bar date from Preware |
| 00:41.19 | AZero | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.28 | AZero | 1/5 hunks failed |
| 00:42.40 | oil | offline root mode is not an error |
| 00:42.40 | oil | that is an error |
| 00:42.44 | oil | are you on a uk pre? |
| 00:42.49 | AZero | hunk 3 failed at 1531 |
| 00:42.56 | AZero | nah |
| 00:42.59 | AZero | sprint |
| 00:43.13 | AZero | errorgenericmethodexception |
| 00:43.29 | oil | yeah, i don't really know much about patch errors |
| 00:43.37 | AZero | all the other hunks were offset 2 lines |
| 00:43.39 | oil | but it sounds like you're trying to change a file thats not as the patch expects |
| 00:43.42 | AZero | the ones that worked |
| 00:43.48 | AZero | yea |
| 00:43.49 | egaudet | theme |
| 00:43.59 | AZero | sorta |
| 00:44.01 | AZero | its the top bar |
| 00:44.09 | AZero | just trying to add percentage to the battery |
| 00:45.41 | egaudet | have a theme installed? |
| 00:47.50 | AZero | no |
| 00:47.56 | AZero | default |
| 00:48.05 | AZero | is there a theme i should install? |
| 00:49.40 | egaudet | no |
| 00:49.54 | egaudet | webos 1.2.1? |
| 00:49.56 | AZero | yes |
| 00:51.55 | egaudet | show actual percent patch installed? |
| 00:52.20 | egaudet | something conflicts, either a manual modification or a conflicting patch is installed |
| 00:53.14 | AZero | it has 5 pieces |
| 00:53.22 | AZero | and i guess the 3rd one isn't finding the correct line |
| 00:53.59 | egaudet | something else modified something in that file around that hunk |
| 00:54.47 | egaudet | for instance the "show actual percentage" and "battery percent and/as icon" patches cannot be installed together |
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| 01:38.34 | dBsooner | I officially hate my routers |
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| 01:43.38 | loot- | dBsooner: i have your same provider and i get ~40mbit down |
| 01:43.52 | loot- | but i dont like in oklahoma |
| 01:43.55 | loot- | hehe |
| 01:44.01 | loot- | er |
| 01:44.02 | loot- | live* |
| 01:45.11 | dBsooner | I get 40mbit down |
| 01:45.34 | loot- | my route never dies |
| 01:45.42 | dBsooner | I just hate my routers cuz I want to have pptp client on my router, but all of my routers are only 2MB rom space. |
| 01:45.47 | loot- | i'd know too because i run nagios fping'ing external resources |
| 01:45.59 | loot- | ohhh |
| 01:46.17 | loot- | i have 3 router/firewalls right now |
| 01:46.23 | loot- | 2 linux boxes and a cisco asa |
| 01:47.22 | loot- | cisco asa is spiffy for hardware vpn client |
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| 07:18.02 | jauderho | whoa. |
| 07:18.13 | jauderho | LunaSysMgr just crashed for me. |
| 07:18.53 | jauderho | anyone seen this error before? http://webos.pastebin.com/m3b1a1e0 |
| 07:22.02 | rwhitby | jauderho: nope |
| 07:22.56 | jauderho | it's a nastly little one. trying to a lunasysmgr start results in the same error. rebooting now to see if that fixes things. noticed that java was chewing up 68% cpu constantly |
| 07:23.05 | jauderho | which is why I tried to restart lunasysmgr |
| 07:24.51 | jauderho | hmm. seems to be better after a restart. strange. |
| 07:45.37 | Mousey | Luna Manager (the app) also has a button for restarting jaba |
| 07:45.43 | Mousey | s/aba/ava/ |
| 07:46.06 | freakout | i like my java with milk and two sugars |
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| 07:50.11 | Mousey | i like my java like i like my women |
| 07:50.15 | Mousey | ground up and boiled |
| 07:50.23 | freakout | lmao |
| 07:50.50 | freakout | Mousey, i thought you were going to bust out a bit of Airplane!/Flying High! there.... |
| 07:51.04 | freakout | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDh_gjL586A |
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| 07:51.53 | Mousey | lawl |
| 07:51.54 | oc80z_ | whats good |
| 07:52.04 | Mousey | YOU'RE GOOD! |
| 07:52.05 | Mousey | points |
| 07:52.08 | oc80z_ | i was just talking to jeff hawkins buddy |
| 07:52.12 | freakout | Spaghetti Bolognese, oc80z |
| 07:52.16 | freakout | It's delicious. |
| 07:52.20 | freakout | Wait, what? |
| 07:52.22 | oc80z_ | im vegan. |
| 07:52.23 | freakout | Hawkins? |
| 07:53.26 | oc80z_ | 'theres still no Undo, is there' |
| 07:54.44 | Mousey | you can't spell undo without AWESOME! |
| 07:54.56 | freakout | blinks |
| 07:55.00 | freakout | reads again |
| 07:55.20 | freakout | dies a little inside and walks away |
| 08:03.49 | Mousey | and with that... |
| 08:20.55 | oc80z_ | woopty woop |
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| 08:25.51 | melee | anyone here? |
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| 08:57.42 | freakout | oil, ping |
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| 09:04.06 | Deeps | hey, just heard about the appspace limit issue caused by /var being a small partition |
| 09:04.33 | Deeps | seeing various guides involving making random links for apps to /media, or replacing the paritions with lvm volumes |
| 09:05.11 | Deeps | why cant you just symlink /var to /media/internal/.var/ ? |
| 09:18.40 | oc80z_ | that was the workaround. |
| 09:19.49 | oc80z_ | funny that the 'close slider to end calls' is not working. |
| 09:22.32 | Deeps | well, the workaround looks more like a big script that creates separate links on a per-app baiss |
| 09:22.51 | oc80z_ | ah, there we go, had to throw on a few more deps. |
| 09:23.14 | oc80z_ | yeah i think that was teh work around ever since. |
| 09:23.30 | Deeps | i'm guessing you dont know the reasoning behind that decision then |
| 09:23.47 | Deeps | so back to my original question, why not just symlink /var to /media/internal/.var/? |
| 09:23.56 | oc80z_ | purhaps the difference is between a rooted and non rooted pre. |
| 09:32.13 | oc80z_ | its not going to work like that. |
| 09:38.23 | oc80z_ | you know why right |
| 09:41.07 | oc80z_ | *yawn* |
| 09:41.29 | oc80z_ | almost out of work |
| 09:47.02 | oc80z_ | hey'd i tell you i met a devhead for handspring |
| 09:47.08 | oc80z_ | from* |
| 09:47.45 | oc80z_ | he was so harping webos had no Undo |
| 09:48.22 | oc80z_ | in text... and in contacts phone nunbers.. etc.. |
| 09:49.05 | tmzt | it has html based widgets |
| 09:49.13 | tmzt | maybe too light for undo? |
| 09:49.16 | oc80z_ | deeps, are you going to ln ur var to mediainternal/var |
| 09:49.32 | tmzt | doesn't use existing toolkit |
| 09:49.34 | oc80z_ | he said somthing along the lines of that tmzt |
| 09:49.46 | Deeps | oc80z_: i'm not doing anything, i'm just asking questions looking for information |
| 09:49.53 | tmzt | no shortcuts on the recognizer area? |
| 09:50.13 | tmzt | shortcut cxvzy |
| 09:50.16 | tmzt | I mean |
| 09:50.18 | oc80z_ | Deeps: check the format of the partitions. |
| 09:50.34 | oc80z_ | that works |
| 09:50.42 | oc80z_ | thats how i cut/paste and select. |
| 09:50.51 | tmzt | ah good |
| 09:50.57 | Deeps | oc80z_: i cant, i dont have a pre yet |
| 09:52.04 | oc80z_ | deeps: oohh yeah /var has binarys on it too, it wouldnt work well on a FAT32 mount. |
| 09:52.17 | tmzt | loop |
| 09:52.25 | tmzt | well |
| 09:52.43 | tmzt | wasn't this all figured out months ago? |
| 09:52.45 | Deeps | oc80z_: i've run binaries on fat32 filesystems under linux without issue |
| 09:52.52 | oc80z_ | tmzt , if you accidently mess up a contacts phone number and delete or "escape" you made those changes perm./ |
| 09:53.56 | oc80z_ | Deeps: but its a critical part of webos(internals) |
| 09:54.25 | oc80z_ | i am all against putting /var/ on media/internal. |
| 09:55.17 | oc80z_ | mvapps however is tight. |
| 09:55.25 | Deeps | oc80z_: i'm aware it's a very important part of a linux system, i'm looking for specifics, it's okay if you dont know, i can idle until someone who does shows up :) |
| 09:55.42 | oc80z_ | its a great backend for whats coming. |
| 09:56.03 | tmzt | oc80z_: I see |
| 09:57.06 | tmzt | Deeps: there's a check for the amount of space |
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| 09:57.32 | oc80z_ | /dev/mapper/store-var 253920 87784 166136 35% /var |
| 09:57.36 | tmzt | it's very confusing, rwhitby has done a lot of research on it but there's no easy way to solve it |
| 09:57.53 | oc80z_ | FreeTim3: mrnn. |
| 09:57.55 | Deeps | tmzt: if that's the case, then how can replacing /media/internals and /var with lvm volumes, and then dynamically resizing them, resolve it? |
| 09:57.57 | tmzt | he's working on something though |
| 09:58.29 | tmzt | break the check? I don't know |
| 09:58.29 | Deeps | as i've seen that posted somewhere as a solution to the problem, simply increasing the size of the /var partition |
| 09:58.46 | tmzt | right, that seems to be the approach |
| 09:59.00 | tmzt | but it requires a special procedure |
| 09:59.03 | oc80z_ | that would resolve it. |
| 09:59.19 | tmzt | and you still have to keep a lot of /var free |
| 09:59.32 | tmzt | so it's wasted space |
| 09:59.43 | tmzt | please talk to him |
| 10:00.04 | Deeps | having looked at the guide posted by diomark? on precentral forums, all he's done is resize the parittion sizes, not modified any checks |
| 10:00.07 | oc80z_ | heh |
| 10:00.14 | Deeps | heh, that does seem like the best idea, i'll idle til he shows :) |
| 10:00.22 | oc80z_ | overkill |
| 10:01.30 | oc80z_ | takes too much |
| 10:02.16 | Deeps | ah, reading on that forum posts has some stuff from rwhitby, shoulda just read on |
| 10:02.27 | oc80z_ | mvapp is the most logical way to go about it. |
| 10:03.35 | oc80z_ | ur not going to mess with ext /var/ /opt |
| 10:03.52 | Deeps | nm, read the thread, got what i was looking for, ta tmzt, oc80z_ |
| 10:04.37 | oc80z_ | ..and? |
| 10:05.04 | Deeps | if you're interested, it's because some (advanced) homebrew apps require features of ext3 that aren't present in vfat, specifically symlinks |
| 10:05.43 | oc80z_ | gee, i wonder if /opt and /var will work on fat32 |
| 10:05.57 | oc80z_ | cause you see to do it all the time so it muzt wrk |
| 10:06.11 | oc80z_ | are you running Linux95? |
| 10:06.17 | tmzt | ? |
| 10:06.18 | Deeps | as such, you have to symlink each app individually to a store within /media/internals, if, and only if, you use these (Advanced) homebrew apps |
| 10:06.48 | tmzt | oc80z_: libraries need symlinks |
| 10:06.58 | einalex | I'd like my pre to show available ad-hoc networks as well.. |
| 10:06.59 | tmzt | or you have to install multiple copies |
| 10:07.05 | einalex | any idea on how to do that? |
| 10:07.12 | tmzt | if they beacon |
| 10:07.19 | tmzt | maybe |
| 10:07.20 | oc80z_ | yeah |
| 10:07.24 | Deeps | alternatively you could just replace /media/internals with a symlink to somewhere on /var, and have /var use up all your space, but that'd cause problems for windows users |
| 10:07.32 | oc80z_ | well, the script is the easy part |
| 10:07.40 | Deeps | eitherway, i got the information i was after, so thanks guys :) |
| 10:07.55 | oc80z_ | deeps: get your self a palm pre. |
| 10:08.16 | Deeps | oc80z_: i wanna, but it's prohibitively expensive in europe still, unless you get one with a QWERTZ keyboard |
| 10:08.21 | Deeps | well, in the uk at least |
| 10:08.28 | Deeps | ~£800 over 2 years |
| 10:08.38 | Deeps | with a poor plan too |
| 10:08.51 | oc80z_ | yeah the keymappings are the least of the problems. |
| 10:08.53 | Deeps | or £800 over 18 months with a worse plan |
| 10:09.03 | oc80z_ | 800 eu too |
| 10:09.13 | Deeps | i'd get one sim free from germany if it wasn't for the keyboard |
| 10:09.28 | oc80z_ | the keyboard mapping shouldnt be an issue imo |
| 10:09.32 | tmzt | that's being worked on |
| 10:09.43 | einalex | tmzt: yes, they beacon...but i think they somehow get filtered before teh gui shows the networks.. |
| 10:09.45 | Deeps | invovles hardmodding the keyboard to fix what you're looking at at the very minimum |
| 10:09.50 | tmzt | it's a token in the first partition of the sd |
| 10:09.54 | Deeps | which is beyond what i'm willing to do personally |
| 10:09.58 | oc80z_ | welll deeps |
| 10:10.00 | oc80z_ | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Solution_to_App_Catalog_Installation_Limit |
| 10:10.00 | tmzt | no |
| 10:10.14 | oc80z_ | look under : Proposal to Dev Community |
| 10:10.26 | tmzt | einalex: maybe it's javascript then |
| 10:11.12 | tmzt | we should look at replacing the palm service with connman at some point |
| 10:11.12 | Deeps | oc80z_: yep |
| 10:11.42 | einalex | tmzt: yes, i thought so. where would i look? any idea? |
| 10:11.43 | tmzt | and get libertas driver working |
| 10:11.58 | oc80z_ | morning einalex |
| 10:11.58 | tmzt | I don't do patching stuf |
| 10:12.07 | einalex | hi oc80z_ |
| 10:12.28 | oc80z_ | Deeps: its really a hard mod. |
| 10:12.28 | tmzt | future upgrades or maybe current might break adhoc though |
| 10:12.39 | tmzt | oc80z_: it's not |
| 10:12.49 | tmzt | if rwhitby is right |
| 10:12.57 | einalex | well the driver does it...i can enable it via the shell |
| 10:13.03 | Deeps | i'm confused, what are you guys talking about now? heh |
| 10:13.13 | oc80z_ | no sure, whats the adhoc/wifi topci |
| 10:13.19 | einalex | but thats somehow inconvenient ;) |
| 10:13.56 | Deeps | i was talking about hardmodding the keyboard to be (visibly) QWERTY again, i'm sure the softmods to adjust the software keyboard layout aren't overly complex |
| 10:14.06 | einalex | the wifi/adhoc topic is: how to get the wifi-network-list to show ad-hoc networks |
| 10:17.04 | tmzt | einalex: look at the javascript and find out where it request the list from |
| 10:17.05 | einalex | oh i might be getting somewhere :) |
| 10:17.14 | einalex | atleast a little bit nearer to the interesting files |
| 10:17.20 | tmzt | if the filtering is there your good |
| 10:17.22 | einalex | tmzt: working on that now |
| 10:17.46 | tmzt | if not you might need a service |
| 10:18.21 | oc80z_ | oh |
| 10:18.24 | oc80z_ | you can do it |
| 10:18.36 | oc80z_ | from terminal *shrug* |
| 10:19.13 | einalex | yes you can. but i'd rather click a button than hit around 50 keys on the pre |
| 10:21.42 | einalex | http://pastebin.com/d2fb7f587 |
| 10:21.52 | einalex | how about that? |
| 10:22.18 | einalex | from /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/models/WifiService.js |
| 10:23.20 | oc80z_ | chea? |
| 10:24.15 | oc80z_ | what about connecting? |
| 10:24.33 | einalex | conencting is in there too |
| 10:24.42 | einalex | (in the file, not the paste) |
| 10:26.07 | oc80z_ | right |
| 10:26.20 | einalex | i found the html as well |
| 10:26.32 | oc80z_ | is there a /usr/sbin/wifidriver required? |
| 10:26.36 | rwhitby | Deeps: can't move the whole of /var cause /media/internal is vfat. |
| 10:26.54 | Deeps | rwhitby: lol, yes, thats what oc80z_ said |
| 10:27.11 | rwhitby | it's symlinks which is the problem, more than binaries. |
| 10:27.19 | Deeps | rwhitby: was thinking more interms of just moving /var/../apps over to /media/.../.apps or whatnot |
| 10:27.30 | oc80z_ | this is true? |
| 10:27.34 | Deeps | yeah, i saw your followups on diamark's forum post regarding simply resizing /var |
| 10:27.46 | rwhitby | Deeps: we have advanced homebrew apps that also use symlinks |
| 10:27.46 | oc80z_ | einalex: iwconfig eth0 mode ad-hoc essid palmpre |
| 10:28.00 | Deeps | rwhitby: yep, i saw that on your post |
| 10:28.11 | einalex | oc80z_: yeah so what? |
| 10:28.22 | Deeps | 1105.04 < Deeps> if you're interested, it's because some (advanced) homebrew apps require features of ext3 that aren't present in vfat, specifically symlinks |
| 10:28.39 | einalex | oc80z_: i know i can do it with the shell, i even created a script for that. but i want it in the gui |
| 10:28.46 | oc80z_ | einalex: u have to shut down wifi from the gui, in order to enable adhoc, right? |
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| 10:28.56 | einalex | yes |
| 10:29.02 | rwhitby | Deeps: the logical layout of the qwertz keyboard has been solved - you just need to repaint the keys |
| 10:29.09 | einalex | otherwise the gui just changes mode back to managed |
| 10:29.18 | Deeps | rwhitby: yep, picked up on that too! :) |
| 10:29.35 | einalex | i guess that's happening because the pre is searching for a network |
| 10:29.45 | rwhitby | I'm personally going to do a Pre transplant from a CDMA Pre keyboard to a GSM Pre. |
| 10:30.15 | Deeps | rwhitby: any ideas what possible issues could come from replacing /media/internals with a symlink to /var, other than breaking support for windows machines? |
| 10:30.24 | oc80z_ | werd |
| 10:30.38 | Deeps | i've never dealt with presenting as usb mass storage from a linux machine |
| 10:30.39 | rwhitby | Deeps: some of the three modes that come up when you plug in USB would break. |
| 10:30.57 | Deeps | three modes? |
| 10:31.01 | rwhitby | so fine for an individual to do, but not good for instructions for the general public |
| 10:31.16 | rwhitby | USB Disk and Media Sync |
| 10:31.44 | oc80z_ | Deeps: ive also seen WebOS format /media/internal after seeing it was not fat32 |
| 10:33.05 | oc80z_ | so forget about installing win7 off ntfs in usb mode |
| 10:33.49 | oc80z_ | havnt tried fat yet , backtrack workd. |
| 10:34.47 | einalex | ah, found the controller...let's have a look |
| 10:34.52 | oc80z_ | einalex: /usr/local/bin/wifi-mfg-labtool |
| 10:35.04 | oc80z_ | oh u coding? |
| 10:35.39 | einalex | right now i'm looking at devicemenu-assistant.js |
| 10:36.02 | tmzt | einalex: then you'll probably need a service |
| 10:36.43 | einalex | hm, there is a service.. |
| 10:36.53 | einalex | ofcourse.. |
| 10:37.10 | einalex | i have to find out where the crucial stuff happens |
| 10:37.51 | tmzt | but that one is closed |
| 10:38.05 | tmzt | and the logic is probably in it |
| 10:38.33 | tmzt | because it's easier then sending wext events as json |
| 10:38.41 | einalex | hm |
| 10:38.55 | einalex | i'm still hoping they call it with paramters |
| 10:38.59 | einalex | (that i can change) |
| 10:41.14 | oc80z_ | hmm |
| 10:41.45 | einalex | http://pastebin.com/d39e256f8 |
| 10:41.48 | einalex | not good |
| 10:42.02 | einalex | the whole thing is based on access points |
| 10:42.47 | oc80z_ | oh hey |
| 10:43.09 | oc80z_ | everything i just mentioned is in wiki/ad-hock-networking |
| 10:43.10 | oc80z_ | hehe |
| 10:43.36 | einalex | whci wiki? |
| 10:44.04 | rwhitby | probably the one in the /topic ... |
| 10:44.08 | einalex | i can't find the page.. |
| 10:44.12 | einalex | pls post a link |
| 10:44.56 | rwhitby | there's a search box on the left side, which found it as the second hit |
| 10:44.56 | einalex | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=ad-hoc&fulltext=Search |
| 10:44.59 | einalex | when i used it, it returned nothing |
| 10:45.08 | rwhitby | try "ad hoc networking" |
| 10:45.29 | einalex | wiki/Ad-Hoc_Networking |
| 10:45.30 | rwhitby | why it doesn't like the hyphen, I don't know. |
| 10:45.41 | einalex | would be the url then.. |
| 10:47.46 | oc80z_ | mm yea |
| 10:48.19 | oc80z_ | rwhitby: is there a OK> prompt you can get to |
| 10:48.24 | oc80z_ | to access nvram, prom , w/e |
| 10:49.26 | einalex | Robi_: are you working on the ad-hoc networking thing? if so, i'd like to help. feel fre to msg me or contact me on jabber: einalex@jabber.ccc.de |
| 10:49.59 | oc80z_ | i think that post is old. |
| 10:50.19 | oc80z_ | hmm |
| 10:54.10 | oc80z_ | how long till a mediaplayer comes out. |
| 10:56.34 | oc80z_ | or a 'media control point' |
| 10:56.37 | einalex | i guess that's a thing so many people are interested in.. |
| 10:56.41 | einalex | it won't take too long |
| 10:57.00 | oc80z_ | well |
| 10:57.09 | oc80z_ | i hope it will have 'save/cache' features. |
| 10:57.19 | oc80z_ | so you can take whatever it is, on the run. |
| 10:58.48 | oc80z_ | eg, at home on the LAN, or over OpenVPN, list the movies/music like all uPnP Players do, its just xml.. ushare and mediatomb are great opensource examples... then ah.. have the option to save teh file to mediainternal.. to play it back when on a plane/subway/taxi or stream it |
| 10:59.27 | oc80z_ | atleast mp4's , transcoding can be done server end with mediatomb. |
| 10:59.32 | einalex | well |
| 10:59.34 | einalex | i'm out |
| 10:59.36 | einalex | cu later |
| 10:59.39 | oc80z_ | shieeeet |
| 10:59.40 | oc80z_ | u get my msg? |
| 10:59.48 | einalex | i have a feeling i will be creating a lot of software for the pre .. |
| 11:00.20 | oc80z_ | well contact that person i said to contact |
| 11:00.35 | oc80z_ | im sure they can collaborate. |
| 11:09.08 | oc80z_ | find -name Family.Guy.* -exec ffmpeg -i source.avi -f psp -r 29.97 -b 768k -ar 24000 -ab 64k -s 320×240 '{}' \; |
| 11:09.28 | oc80z_ | this should work out |
| 11:46.03 | freakout | is on the hunt for some interesting stories to blog about |
| 11:46.09 | freakout | Anybody got anything? |
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| 12:15.16 | Thomaschaaf | -.- borked my phone again.. stupid patch didn't work with 1.1.3.. |
| 12:15.36 | Thomaschaaf | When calling I don't have a screen anymore just the card.. |
| 12:16.03 | Thomaschaaf | an empty card.. |
| 12:16.21 | en0x | that sucks |
| 12:16.37 | alphaone | is missing his pdf viewer.. |
| 12:17.25 | Thomaschaaf | I really want/need webos 1.3 |
| 12:17.54 | alphaone | Does webos 1.3 have support for both cdma and gsm? |
| 12:18.00 | alphaone | (as 1.1.2 has) |
| 12:18.24 | rwhitby | 1.3 is not released, so who knows? |
| 12:18.43 | alphaone | Not in the US? |
| 12:18.46 | rwhitby | nope |
| 12:18.50 | rwhitby | 1.2.1 is the latest |
| 12:19.01 | Thomaschaaf | Nope |
| 12:19.04 | Thomaschaaf | germany |
| 12:19.22 | Thomaschaaf | and alot of patches make the phone goo bork |
| 12:19.24 | alphaone | okay, must have misheard then |
| 12:19.35 | rwhitby | there are reports of people running 1.2.1 on gsm pre |
| 12:19.36 | freakout | Thomaschaaf, why not just upgrade to 1.2.1? |
| 12:19.58 | Thomaschaaf | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.01 | Thomaschaaf | I have GSM |
| 12:20.07 | Thomaschaaf | TEll me how and I will |
| 12:20.24 | en0x | use the webosdoctor |
| 12:20.27 | freakout | well, according to our mega-brain friend rwhitby, the webOS Doctor automatically detects the correct modem firmware no matter which version you flash |
| 12:20.32 | rwhitby | Thomaschaaf: all the doctor images have both CDMA and UMTS firmware |
| 12:20.52 | freakout | Thomaschaaf, so you just need to find a copy of the 1.2.1 doctor. |
| 12:21.08 | freakout | Bell or Sprint, your choice ;) |
| 12:21.10 | Thomaschaaf | rwhitby are you guys sure? |
| 12:21.16 | rwhitby | I have flashed GSM 1.1.3 doctor onto a Sprint CDMA phone, and it correctly flashed the CDMA firmware and ran well. |
| 12:21.19 | rwhitby | However, |
| 12:21.36 | rwhitby | I cannot tell you what will happen when running 1.2.1 on GSM phone, as I have not tested that myself. |
| 12:21.49 | Thomaschaaf | what would be the worst that would happen? |
| 12:21.52 | rwhitby | I *assume* it will work fine, but you need to make your own decision. |
| 12:21.54 | freakout | is a gamblin' man, and bets it will work just fine. |
| 12:22.25 | rwhitby | Thomaschaaf: well, the worst that could happen is a completely bricked phone, but that's never happened to anyone yet. |
| 12:22.44 | Thomaschaaf | rwhitby: that would mean it wouldn't boot? |
| 12:22.47 | rwhitby | the likely failure case would be a borked phone, which you then reflash back to 1.1.3 to repair |
| 12:22.58 | rwhitby | bricked means it is unrecoverable by any software means. |
| 12:23.07 | alphaone | Thomaschaaf: I'm running 1.2.1 on a GSM Pre |
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| 12:23.24 | en0x | hmm looks liek palm borked the backup software on 1.2.1 |
| 12:23.26 | Thomaschaaf | alphaone: what provider? |
| 12:23.34 | rwhitby | there you go - direct confirmation from alphaone |
| 12:23.42 | alphaone | let me double check |
| 12:23.45 | alphaone | But I'm pretty sure |
| 12:24.01 | AnOutsider | morning all |
| 12:24.20 | freakout | morning AnOutsider. How's tricks? |
| 12:24.22 | alphaone | arg |
| 12:24.26 | AnOutsider | tricks? |
| 12:24.27 | alphaone | 1.1.3, 1.2.1, 1.3 |
| 12:24.32 | alphaone | Stupid numbers |
| 12:24.35 | AnOutsider | you calling me a pimp? |
| 12:24.40 | freakout | AnOutsider: lol |
| 12:24.48 | freakout | AnOutsider: clearly we have a slang problem |
| 12:25.04 | alphaone | Sorry, 1.1.3 here |
| 12:25.10 | tmzt | alphaone: radio works? |
| 12:25.13 | alphaone | I'm not getting used to these version numbers |
| 12:25.27 | Thomaschaaf | I just want 1.3 already :P |
| 12:25.30 | tmzt | oh |
| 12:25.36 | en0x | next month |
| 12:25.44 | Thomaschaaf | will probably have icq and msn right? |
| 12:25.56 | en0x | hmm |
| 12:26.00 | Thomaschaaf | what do you guys think it will incorperate a lot of patches? |
| 12:26.07 | en0x | my battery on pre dies in 5 hrs |
| 12:26.12 | alphaone | screw that. I need real xmpp |
| 12:26.14 | en0x | when ther is no coverage |
| 12:26.27 | freakout | Thomaschaaf: doubtful on MSN or ICQ - the former they'll be waiting to incorporate properly with Synergy for contacts, and that might be awhile |
| 12:26.37 | freakout | and the latter just isn't popular enough anymore |
| 12:26.39 | rwhitby | I suspect it will have whatever best suits Palm's marketing and revenue generating needs, and have little regard for what anyone in this channel desires. |
| 12:27.03 | en0x | they have their plan |
| 12:27.04 | rwhitby | At least if I was running Palm that's what I would do. |
| 12:27.11 | en0x | dont worry they know what to do imho |
| 12:27.30 | freakout | If I was running Palm, I'd be selling unlocked phones direct. |
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| 12:27.39 | en0x | right |
| 12:27.45 | en0x | for 200 bucks |
| 12:27.48 | en0x | not 500 |
| 12:27.53 | freakout | en0x: yep ;) |
| 12:28.11 | freakout | although, they must save a bundle on tech support costs by offloading the problems to the carriers |
| 12:28.12 | zomg | in the land of freedom you can't buy a pre w/o contract? =) |
| 12:28.15 | en0x | i wonder when sprint will switch to gsm |
| 12:28.28 | rwhitby | freakout: that's not a winning strategy for the early phase of a new platform in markets where the carriers dominate the sales channels. |
| 12:28.57 | freakout | rwhitby: And that's why I'm *not* running Palm ;) |
| 12:28.59 | rwhitby | Palm has to keep the carriers happy to get the sales channel to get uptake. |
| 12:29.12 | Thomaschaaf | freakout: germany uses mostly icq.. |
| 12:29.35 | zomg | Do people anywhere except germany use that? :D |
| 12:29.38 | freakout | Thomaschaaf: then please ignore my culturally-biased perspective ;) |
| 12:29.41 | zomg | It's pretty awful :/ |
| 12:30.01 | rwhitby | Thomaschaaf: I bet Harald Welte doesn't use it ;-) |
| 12:30.01 | zomg | I do remember that back in 1996 or something icq was basically the best |
| 12:30.03 | en0x | icq was popular 8 yrs ago |
| 12:30.04 | en0x | ;] |
| 12:30.04 | Thomaschaaf | freakout: yea I have a couple brazillian friends who use ICQ too |
| 12:30.25 | freakout | rwhitby: There's other reasons for Palm to go through carriers too. Subsidies, for instance, so they can get more phones into hands. |
| 12:30.49 | rwhitby | freakout: exactly. |
| 12:30.49 | freakout | rwhitby: They did try selling the Treo Pro unlocked when they couldn't find a carrier partner. Failed pretty miserably |
| 12:30.49 | en0x | in UK they have qwerty keyboard? |
| 12:30.51 | en0x | or qwertz? |
| 12:30.58 | rwhitby | en0x: qwerty, but all locked |
| 12:30.59 | freakout | en0x: QWERTY. |
| 12:31.13 | en0x | ok |
| 12:31.15 | rwhitby | there is no unlocked qwerty gsm version available anywhere in the world |
| 12:31.21 | en0x | wonder how hard it will be to unlock it ;) |
| 12:31.29 | freakout | Which is *bizarre*, IMO. |
| 12:31.30 | rwhitby | (except for my frankenpre in a couple of weeks time) |
| 12:31.36 | freakout | and mine too! |
| 12:31.53 | en0x | hmm i didt take my pre apart |
| 12:31.54 | freakout | See, I understand partnering with the carriers. |
| 12:31.59 | en0x | i wonder if there is room for gsm chip |
| 12:32.00 | rwhitby | freakout: yours won't have a qwerty keyboard, just a fake qwerty keyboard. |
| 12:32.13 | freakout | rwhitby: mine will be hand-painted :o |
| 12:32.23 | rwhitby | I'm going to do a keyboard transplant operation. |
| 12:32.28 | freakout | rwhitby: mine will be a work of *art* |
| 12:32.36 | Thomaschaaf | hmm I will try webos 1.2.1 today.. |
| 12:32.38 | rwhitby | mine will be a work of *science* |
| 12:32.43 | freakout | lol |
| 12:32.50 | Thomaschaaf | maybe it will have qwerty keyboard thioughj |
| 12:33.13 | rwhitby | Thomaschaaf: you can change logical keyboard layout today on any Pre on any firmware. |
| 12:33.15 | freakout | rwhitby: Blogger and hacker meet, conflict |
| 12:33.40 | en0x | hmm i wonder if anybody from palm will leak unlock codes for pre |
| 12:33.41 | en0x | :) |
| 12:34.02 | rwhitby | en0x: they are usually imei-specific, aren't they? |
| 12:34.04 | freakout | en0x, a hack will be out within weeks. I'd bet you a kidney |
| 12:34.26 | en0x | lol |
| 12:34.31 | Thomaschaaf | okay so I will see you again later |
| 12:34.33 | en0x | my kidneys are good |
| 12:34.38 | freakout | waves to Thomaschaaf |
| 12:34.40 | freakout | good luck! |
| 12:34.48 | en0x | rwhitby: ok but for example nokia etc have unlock codes |
| 12:34.53 | Thomaschaaf | I will do a report where would I post that? |
| 12:35.01 | freakout | Thomaschaaf: here first |
| 12:35.08 | Thomaschaaf | hehe :D |
| 12:35.20 | freakout | Thomaschaaf: and then I *suppose* you could go to PreCentral.... if you really *must*.... :p |
| 12:35.21 | Thomaschaaf | and after that? webos-internals website? |
| 12:35.26 | Thomaschaaf | hehe |
| 12:35.29 | Thomaschaaf | bye |
| 12:35.34 | rwhitby | Thomaschaaf: webos-internals mailing list |
| 12:35.38 | tmzt | anybody traced the diag program? |
| 12:35.53 | tmzt | I know it's a usb serial port |
| 12:36.32 | tmzt | actually |
| 12:37.04 | tmzt | is modem rset modem pmic power down possible with omap on? |
| 12:37.36 | tmzt | anything in sysfs? |
| 12:37.58 | tmzt | and can anybody supply lsusb -v -v following that |
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| 12:45.43 | rwhitby | bbt - night all |
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| 13:57.10 | AnOutsider | precentral needs a proof-reader ;) |
| 13:57.14 | AnOutsider | "The contacts app is quite good with the Synergy unified contract, Tasks is has seen some minor improvements" |
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| 15:01.37 | jettero | mmm moved /opt/ to a 500meg loopback file on /media/internal |
| 15:01.42 | jettero | (still ext3 |
| 15:01.43 | jettero | ) |
| 15:02.06 | jettero | admit it, you're jealous |
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| 15:25.37 | bpadalino|work | did anyone see jwz give up with webOS ? |
| 15:26.13 | gkatsev | he gave up on it? |
| 15:26.39 | hozer | seems like the sign that something is useful when JWZ gives up on it :P |
| 15:26.45 | hozer | got a link? |
| 15:28.01 | bpadalino|work | yeah hold |
| 15:28.21 | bpadalino|work | http://jwz.livejournal.com/1108212.html |
| 15:28.54 | gkatsev | and his theme on livejournal isnt very good... |
| 15:29.12 | gkatsev | ouch. he left the pre for an iphone |
| 15:29.24 | bpadalino|work | yeah, which is surprising given his previous stances |
| 15:30.02 | gkatsev | and he just said apple is worse than palm in terms of dev support |
| 15:30.48 | gkatsev | but i can definitely understand some of his converns. palm really needs to make all apps start up much more snappily |
| 15:31.45 | bpadalino|work | still not sure i can take his previous stances seriously when he abandons all his problems with palm when he picked up an iphone |
| 15:32.26 | bpadalino|work | almost like someone who has been using linux for ages, finally just gets fed up with screwing around with drivers and switches to windows |
| 15:33.15 | bpadalino|work | i think he has a better chance putting more effort into playing with the underlying linux system and getting rid of luna than he does with an iphone |
| 15:35.33 | hozer | bpadalino: see, some of us actually need phones that *work* |
| 15:36.25 | hozer | throwing out luna would mean having to go back to some half-functional openmoko/freesmartphone dialer :P |
| 15:36.49 | hozer | is also irritated by a lot of the same things .. slowness, what have you |
| 15:37.30 | bpadalino|work | i think they include oprofile if you want to see what is taking up all the cpu time ... |
| 15:39.17 | gkatsev | wonder why he didnt leave the pre for the hero or something like that |
| 15:39.47 | bpadalino|work | he said android reviews were pretty terrible |
| 15:40.35 | gkatsev | the g1 was bad hardware. the other is supposed to be much much better |
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| 15:43.11 | xorg | yo all |
| 15:43.26 | bpadalino|work | arguing with jwz sounds pretty useless anyway ... it's difficult to just even figure out what his mindset is and if he has internal conflicts |
| 15:43.28 | xorg | q on posting tags to repository for 'mvapp' |
| 15:43.54 | xorg | I've setup the tag for PreWare description |
| 15:44.03 | xorg | when doing git push --tags |
| 15:44.16 | xorg | get.. The git:// url is read-only. |
| 15:45.32 | xorg | was able to commit the code just fine, but can't push the tags |
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| 16:11.47 | Robi_ | einalex: it's already done with the Tether App |
| 16:18.40 | Marajin | allo allo allo |
| 16:19.29 | Marajin | gkatsev: what're you on about? my pre launches apps faster than my ipod touch (2g) does |
| 16:19.58 | Marajin | as for android phones, meh the g1 and g2 and hero are all underwhelming same old schitt with the MSM 7xxx series |
| 16:20.27 | Marajin | from memory the hero has a higher clock but it's still an underperforming chipset from everything I see |
| 16:24.44 | Marajin | gkatsev: if you were complaining about boot time I'd grok as the pre takes like 4-5 times longer than the iphone 3gs to boot but I don't note much lag with launching apps |
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| 17:03.17 | Mousey | i need to figure out how to restart Luna from the command line and have it actually stick in my brain |
| 17:03.25 | Mousey | feels a shell script coming on |
| 17:03.31 | Mousey | OMGRESTARTLUNA.sh |
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| 17:08.09 | FreeTim3 | mousey: ya just create a small script file ... i have a file named 'ht' that I keep all my oft-used stuff in... then it's easy to cat ht and cut/paste |
| 17:08.32 | FreeTim3 | Not really a script file but just a plain text file with oft-used or useful commands right on my Pre |
| 17:09.44 | Mousey | ah |
| 17:09.45 | Mousey | yah |
| 17:09.55 | Mousey | sometimes i hose it so good tho, all i can do is restart luna |
| 17:11.25 | Mousey | i'd run it right now if i could |
| 17:11.40 | Mousey | 1231 root 19 -1 462m 182m 7964 D 3.0 76.3 2:33.01 LunaSysMgr |
| 17:11.49 | Mousey | 76%! no apps open! |
| 17:11.59 | Mousey | completely unresponsive ;_; |
| 17:12.16 | Mousey | kicks ampache mobile in the shins |
| 17:12.26 | gkatsev | Marajin: idk... it takes a few seconds for all my apps to launch and stuff. takes forever for the ui of the phone app to match the actual call status as well. i mean, it is just within bearable for me so im not really complaining, but there is a lot of room for improvement is basically the point. |
| 17:13.07 | Mousey | doesn't know where all that came from, but agrees about the phone call->status thing |
| 17:14.15 | Mousey | oh, it just respawns.. that's handy |
| 17:14.17 | gkatsev | Mousey: we are talking about jwz quitting palm/pre/webos for the iphone. |
| 17:14.32 | Mousey | shill |
| 17:14.45 | Mousey | the iphone? not even android? |
| 17:14.49 | Mousey | has to be a check involved |
| 17:15.09 | Mousey | it certainly ain't on technical merit |
| 17:15.17 | Mousey | </rant> |
| 17:15.41 | Mousey | <rant> |
| 17:15.43 | Mousey | not even maemo?!?! |
| 17:15.46 | Mousey | </rant> |
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| 17:23.16 | Flashpass | Rick_work: Hey, thanks for the BT recommendation, bought and installed it last night, works awesome and cable free :D |
| 17:23.50 | en0x | i wonder what palm did to piss off the guy who wrote twee |
| 17:23.51 | en0x | :) |
| 17:23.58 | en0x | i know something with the approval or something |
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| 17:24.03 | en0x | but what exacly |
| 17:25.45 | Rick_work | Flashpass good to know. Mic worked well, handsfree phone as well as music? |
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| 17:26.45 | Rick_work | Mousey after all the crap he gave palm about their approval process and their lack of openness, to get an Iphone is just -- well, errr.. |
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| 17:33.25 | gkatsev | what about twee? |
| 17:33.37 | Mousey | struggles with ampache mobile |
| 17:34.57 | egaudet_work | He said the switch to iphone had nothing to do with the development and apple is worse in that regard (lack of openness etc...) but he switched to the iphone because it "just worked", i.e. it's more polished in it's functionality as a smartphone etc... |
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| 17:39.52 | FreeTim3 | mousey I think all the luna commands known so far are listed on wiki |
| 17:40.36 | Mousey | k |
| 17:40.40 | Mousey | i'm just not rtfming |
| 17:41.43 | FreeTim3 | We could add more there, though, if we find any. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Send |
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| 17:42.43 | Mousey | thanks |
| 17:43.26 | Chais_z3r0 | hi thar |
| 17:44.24 | Chais_z3r0 | could someone please help me getting the mojo plugin to run with eclipse 3.5.1? |
| 17:48.45 | Chais_z3r0 | on osx. forgot to mention that |
| 17:49.46 | Rick_work | Chais_z3r0 almost none of the regulars here use eclipse. Most of us switched over to Komodo with the webos IDE add on some time ago |
| 17:49.48 | Rick_work | sorry |
| 17:50.15 | Chais_z3r0 | well... i'm flexible ^^ |
| 17:50.37 | Rick_work | www.templarian.com/komodo |
| 17:50.47 | Chais_z3r0 | if you have something better than eclipse i'm listening |
| 17:51.02 | Rick_work | it's better |
| 17:51.03 | Chais_z3r0 | 404 |
| 17:51.03 | Chais_z3r0 | |
| 17:51.25 | Rick_work | my bad |
| 17:51.36 | Rick_work | that changed to http://webos.templarian.com |
| 17:51.56 | Rick_work | take the komodo link at the top |
| 17:52.32 | Rick_work | works fine in osx |
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| 17:56.12 | gkatsev | webos.termplarian.com/komodo |
| 17:56.14 | gkatsev | :) |
| 17:56.21 | gkatsev | crap |
| 17:56.28 | gkatsev | s/term/tem/ |
| 17:56.36 | gkatsev | webos.termplarian.com/komodo |
| 17:56.37 | gkatsev | s/term/tem/ |
| 17:57.58 | Marajin | gkatsev: sorry for the pause, ok, I grant you the UI isn't perfect yet, but hey it's new, things can only get better one hopes :) |
| 17:59.43 | Chais_z3r0 | named Add-on 0.4.2b2 |
| 17:59.45 | Chais_z3r0 | ? |
| 17:59.46 | gkatsev | Marajin: right. i agree. if there was a better phone on sprint, i might have switched to it by now, but there isnt, not really at least. im definitely sticking with sprint for a while now cuz it is one of the cheapest plans i can get and i get great reception here |
| 18:00.25 | Marajin | Rick_work: hypocritical? :p |
| 18:00.46 | Marajin | gkatsev: well I'm ukdian :) but.. |
| 18:01.06 | gkatsev | ukdian? lol |
| 18:01.09 | Marajin | Rick_work: ah sorry, that probably seemed random, I didn't realise I'd scrolled back a bit and thought you'd only just said switching to iphone was "a bit ..." |
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| 18:01.29 | Marajin | gkatsev: well I'm part irish, scottish, welsh and majoritatively english.. so UKdian ;) |
| 18:01.32 | tmzt | gkatsev: better than? |
| 18:01.37 | gkatsev | lol. |
| 18:01.45 | Marajin | but I've noticed that the US routinely gets gypped on carrier tariffs |
| 18:02.10 | gkatsev | idk, i think sprint is actually one of the better carriers in terms of plans and stuff |
| 18:02.15 | Marajin | I paid like 45 bucks/month for 1200 minutes, 1000 texts, unlimited data, unlimited wifi and 75% off international calling |
| 18:02.19 | Rick_work | Marajin it's interesting that you say that. (gyped) |
| 18:02.25 | gkatsev | tmzt: better than?? the pre is one of the best phones on the sprint network |
| 18:02.38 | Rick_work | Marajin what carrier? |
| 18:02.42 | tmzt | if there was a better phone on sprint, i might have switched to it by now |
| 18:02.48 | tmzt | so better than Pre? |
| 18:02.49 | Marajin | Rick_work: o2... pre is o2 exclusive in uk/eu |
| 18:02.54 | tmzt | what would be better than Pre? |
| 18:03.01 | Deeps | Marajin: and you get all that for £30pm? |
| 18:03.01 | gkatsev | tmzt: nothing, thats the point |
| 18:03.06 | Marajin | Deeps: sure |
| 18:03.39 | Deeps | o2 site disagrees, guessing you got that deal from retentions? |
| 18:03.43 | Marajin | if you phone up and go '...nuh, I don't want to pay that' they'll routinely drop like 15ppm |
| 18:03.46 | Marajin | sure |
| 18:03.48 | gkatsev | i get 500 mins, unlimited text, data, mms, and gps for $60 |
| 18:03.49 | Marajin | but it's so easy to get |
| 18:03.54 | tmzt | anybody know if cdma or gsm Pre's have a radio firmware upgrade? |
| 18:03.54 | Marajin | they didn't argue, that was their first offer |
| 18:03.59 | Deeps | yep |
| 18:04.01 | tmzt | it would be in doctor image? |
| 18:04.12 | Rick_work | and I get 450 mobile to land line minutes, unlimited mobile to mobile (any carrier) unlimited text, unlimited data, unlimited mms and gps and nav for $69. |
| 18:04.15 | Deeps | the thing to consider is you dont have unlimited data btw, you have 500mb data |
| 18:04.19 | Deeps | (on o2) |
| 18:04.31 | Marajin | Deeps: nah they say you do but they don't police it |
| 18:04.37 | Rick_work | honestly I don't see that the $9 diff is a big deal and unlimited mobile to moible makes a big diff |
| 18:04.42 | Marajin | same deal with their broadband.. |
| 18:04.50 | Marajin | they /say/ it has this fair usage clause |
| 18:04.58 | Chais_z3r0 | depending on which data package you have |
| 18:05.03 | gkatsev | sprint is also has like 500mb free roaming data and free voice roaming. definitely most affordable carrier |
| 18:05.03 | Marajin | but damn if I haven't downloaded hundreds of gig in a month with 0 interest from them |
| 18:05.10 | Chais_z3r0 | for o2 at least |
| 18:05.18 | Deeps | Marajin: they've certainly started monitoring for tethering, i've used data on my PAYG o2 sim in the past by tethering for £1/day np, whereas as of a few months ago, they took all £15 credit in about a minute of browsing |
| 18:05.31 | gkatsev | also, since they have the agreement with verizon about using their towers (hence the free roaming stuff) sprint technically has best service, lol |
| 18:05.36 | Marajin | well yeah but that's PAYG for ya |
| 18:05.44 | Marajin | you get sodomized for using it at all |
| 18:06.00 | Marajin | TBH I have a standalone 3d modem deal |
| 18:06.06 | Marajin | so I don't care about tethering |
| 18:06.08 | Deeps | heh, you say that but i got 12 months "unlimited data and wifi" for £20 one off ;) |
| 18:06.32 | Marajin | yeah except they police you to the 500 barrier ;) |
| 18:06.44 | Marajin | they don't police me, so what you got was "unlimited" what I got IS unlimited |
| 18:06.49 | Chais_z3r0 | sorry to interrupt you, but which download do i need? |
| 18:07.04 | Deeps | Marajin: wouldn't know, i've never come close to hitting the mythical 500mb barrier on my payg |
| 18:07.11 | Marajin | heh :) |
| 18:07.14 | Marajin | well no worries then |
| 18:07.21 | Rick_work | Chais_z3r0 you need to download the Komodo editor |
| 18:07.29 | Rick_work | then download the xul of the IDE plugin |
| 18:07.30 | Deeps | and eitherway, £20 one off for 500mb for a year seems like a good deal |
| 18:07.31 | Marajin | all I can say is I've abused the buggery out of their barriers and they haven't even sent me a warning text or letter |
| 18:07.34 | Rick_work | then download the code completion |
| 18:07.48 | Deeps | £1.66 per month for 12 motnhs for 500mb per month data? cant complain ;) |
| 18:07.52 | Chais_z3r0 | i see only the add-on the code completer and the beautifier |
| 18:08.07 | Marajin | Deeps: yeah, opens your eyes how overpriced data charges are huh? :p |
| 18:08.14 | Deeps | aye |
| 18:08.20 | Rick_work | Chais_z3r0 http://www.activestate.com/komodo_edit/ |
| 18:08.23 | Deeps | just need to get my hands on a sim-free pre now and i'll be a happy man |
| 18:08.25 | Marajin | 3 quid per meg with no tariff, but 1.66 per 500 meg otherwise? |
| 18:08.45 | Marajin | madness I say |
| 18:08.46 | Deeps | since i dont use voice or sms either, do all that over 3g atm without any issue |
| 18:08.54 | Marajin | fair enough |
| 18:09.00 | Marajin | I use my phone rather a lot with work so.. eh |
| 18:09.24 | Marajin | and TBH 20 of the 30 quid I'm paying is technically just paying off the phone |
| 18:09.42 | Deeps | considerring getting an iphone 3gs tbh, since i cant get a qwerty gsm pre for the same price |
| 18:09.46 | Marajin | what with the 'simplicity' deals being roughyl 20 quid cheaper than a normal contract under the assumption you're providing a prepaid for phone |
| 18:10.03 | Marajin | Deeps: don't do it! stay away from the dark side! |
| 18:10.13 | Marajin | ..well ok, they shiney dark side but :p |
| 18:10.19 | Deeps | btw, all i'm doing is using an iphone 3g payg sim that someone sold on ebay for a tenner with a ten quid topup |
| 18:10.39 | Deeps | 20quid all in got me a tenner call+sms time + 12 motnhs 3g + wifi ;) |
| 18:10.47 | Marajin | cool :) |
| 18:10.51 | Marajin | whatever works for you mate |
| 18:10.55 | Marajin | but the point oriiiginally |
| 18:10.59 | Marajin | was that americans get pwned |
| 18:11.04 | Deeps | oh, yes, lol, agreed |
| 18:11.14 | Deeps | brits too though compared to other parts of europe :( |
| 18:11.26 | Deeps | and the spanish more so! ::(( |
| 18:11.30 | Marajin | I'm to this day pissed about SMS prices actually |
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| 18:11.46 | Marajin | 10-12 pence per message? |
| 18:11.46 | Marajin | for 160 bytes of data? |
| 18:11.46 | Marajin | c'mooooon |
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| 18:12.15 | Marajin | what's the true value of an SMS? like 0.0000001 pence? |
| 18:12.49 | Rick_work | the true value is what the market will bear. |
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| 18:12.58 | Marajin | ok, semantics check.. |
| 18:13.04 | Marajin | what's the true /cost/ of a text |
| 18:13.09 | Rick_work | ahhhh |
| 18:13.12 | Deeps | originally, 0 |
| 18:13.16 | Rick_work | vastly different question. |
| 18:13.16 | Deeps | litterally |
| 18:13.39 | Deeps | sms was a byproduct of the gsm protocol that nokia exploited |
| 18:13.43 | Marajin | yeah |
| 18:14.05 | Marajin | well you have to consider some overhead on the network |
| 18:14.05 | Deeps | eventually upgrades became necessary for carriers to handle the load caused by the massive amounts of sms's |
| 18:14.09 | Marajin | there's maintainence and such.. |
| 18:14.14 | Marajin | so it has a cost |
| 18:14.16 | Marajin | but eh |
| 18:14.20 | Marajin | not 10-12p per message |
| 18:14.29 | Deeps | thus it stopped being a byproduct of gsm voice and started being the driving force behind further deployments |
| 18:14.35 | Marajin | heh :) |
| 18:14.36 | Marajin | yeah |
| 18:14.36 | Chais_z3r0 | right. you could easily transmit any amount of sms in the overhead traffic of the data connections |
| 18:14.39 | Rick_work | answer: I have no way to establish that, but the data points I would be interested in are: number of packets transiting the array of towers for all services, number of packets for sms, and the total cost of operating the towers, plus their amoritized construction costs. |
| 18:14.52 | Marajin | text mania hit the UK long ago I remember that |
| 18:14.58 | Marajin | I was still at school |
| 18:15.02 | Deeps | genie with their free sms chips |
| 18:15.13 | Deeps | included international sms too, bless them |
| 18:15.28 | en0x | in poland ppl can write 500 text messages in a week |
| 18:15.29 | en0x | ;D |
| 18:15.33 | en0x | and i'm like LOL |
| 18:15.47 | Marajin | Deeps: heh :) |
| 18:15.49 | en0x | and the stupid thin on american carriers is that |
| 18:15.52 | Marajin | Deeps: I remember those I think |
| 18:16.00 | en0x | whgen you receive a sms it will charge you |
| 18:16.07 | en0x | it should only charge you when u send |
| 18:16.12 | Marajin | en0x: one again, americans get pwned ;) |
| 18:16.19 | Deeps | joys of failure to bill roaming charges properly too were exceptional |
| 18:16.22 | en0x | well i live in us |
| 18:16.23 | Marajin | yeah my GF grew up in california |
| 18:16.24 | Rick_work | thats stupider than charging the CALLING PARTY for a cell call? |
| 18:16.31 | Marajin | went nuts about people sending texts |
| 18:16.37 | Deeps | spanish operator movistar used batch billing on sms's, orange uk expected to be informed for roaming sms immediately |
| 18:16.44 | Marajin | cause even if they have a tariff that saves them the costs.. |
| 18:16.47 | en0x | Marajin: thats why I love sprint |
| 18:16.47 | Marajin | the recipient may not |
| 18:16.54 | Deeps | so my orange payg chip with 17p credit gave me thousands of free sms's worldwide |
| 18:16.56 | en0x | Marajin: because they dont charge for received sms |
| 18:17.02 | en0x | Marajin: even from out of country |
| 18:17.02 | en0x | :D |
| 18:17.08 | Marajin | en0x: o rly? Might mention that to her family |
| 18:17.12 | en0x | right |
| 18:17.25 | en0x | my brother texts me from poland |
| 18:17.29 | en0x | and I dont get charged |
| 18:17.34 | Marajin | nifty :) |
| 18:17.36 | en0x | only when I text him back to polish carrier |
| 18:17.38 | Deeps | Rick_work: yeah, charging the receiver makes more sense than charging the person making the call, especially when there's no way to determine whether it's a mobile you're dialing, as is the case in many places, including the USA and hong kong |
| 18:17.40 | en0x | i get charged 20 cents |
| 18:18.03 | Marajin | en0x: that's less nifty :P |
| 18:18.10 | Deeps | charging to receive a text, however, is unfair imo, as you cant refuse a text |
| 18:18.10 | en0x | right |
| 18:18.14 | Deeps | you can refuse to take a call though |
| 18:18.22 | en0x | Marajin: but i got workaround ;D |
| 18:18.27 | Marajin | Deeps: precisely my GF's hangup on the issue |
| 18:18.40 | Marajin | Deeps: it's just not fair because she had virtually no control over it |
| 18:18.41 | en0x | ur gf is badass |
| 18:18.42 | en0x | :D |
| 18:18.47 | Deeps | indeed |
| 18:19.06 | Marajin | she just phoned her carrier and demanded they block any sms traffic to her phone in the end |
| 18:19.10 | en0x | and thats why i love sprint unlimited messaging etc |
| 18:19.11 | Marajin | that's the only choice she really had |
| 18:19.14 | en0x | fuck u att and tmobile |
| 18:19.14 | en0x | :D |
| 18:19.25 | Deeps | that sucks |
| 18:19.32 | Deeps | but necessary if you get a lot of spam, i guess |
| 18:19.33 | Marajin | we have tmobile in the UK, I haven't met anyone that uses their service yet :p |
| 18:19.49 | Deeps | i know loads of android users on tmobile |
| 18:20.01 | Marajin | Deeps: her number had been reallocated, and the previous owner had signed up for a bunch of text alerts, news items and shit |
| 18:20.09 | Marajin | Deeps: was driving her mad and driving her bill up |
| 18:20.12 | en0x | come one |
| 18:20.16 | Deeps | they're trying to convince me away from the pre to some mythical new android device that'll have a physical keyboard |
| 18:20.24 | en0x | i was paying extra 15 bucks for unlimited txt messages on att |
| 18:20.26 | Deeps | Marajin: damn. |
| 18:20.26 | Marajin | Deeps: I only know one guy who has a G1 :p |
| 18:20.35 | en0x | i was paying 50 bucks for cheapest plan |
| 18:20.43 | en0x | plus text messages 15 buck |
| 18:20.44 | Marajin | Deeps: eh? the hero? it's ok, the CPU can't cope with the UI |
| 18:20.49 | en0x | no internet and mms |
| 18:20.52 | Deeps | Marajin: nope, the hero doesn't have a keyboard |
| 18:21.05 | Marajin | Deeps: it doesn't? O.o then only the G1 does afaik |
| 18:21.08 | Deeps | yep |
| 18:21.12 | Deeps | it's some soon to be released device |
| 18:21.24 | Rick_work | The new motorola android has a keyboard I thought |
| 18:21.30 | mdklein | the droid does |
| 18:21.31 | Marajin | Deeps: well hey, if it has a proper chipset instead of an MSM then maybe it's worth a sniff ;) |
| 18:21.39 | en0x | the new motorola android phone has a weird name |
| 18:21.40 | Deeps | hehe |
| 18:21.42 | tmzt | it's msm |
| 18:21.45 | Marajin | but I'll make do with my pre for now since I only got it on saturday |
| 18:21.49 | tmzt | hey Marajin, why? |
| 18:21.51 | Marajin | tmzt: msm 7xxx? |
| 18:21.51 | Deeps | haha |
| 18:21.59 | tmzt | yes I think so |
| 18:22.03 | tmzt | don't have source yet |
| 18:22.10 | tmzt | not sure if it's 7x27 either |
| 18:22.11 | Deeps | i was gonna get one sent over from germany til i discovered they were chipping qwertz |
| 18:22.16 | Marajin | tmzt: why avoid the msm? cause it underperforms consistently on every OS as far as I hear |
| 18:22.30 | chrisa | Not true |
| 18:22.34 | Deeps | and there's no way i can justify 480euros on a phone without a proper keyboard |
| 18:22.36 | chrisa | The problem is the particular MSM chosen |
| 18:22.36 | tmzt | chrisa: you have 27 |
| 18:22.43 | chrisa | tmzt: I clarified |
| 18:22.49 | Marajin | the snapdragon is cool but I haven't actually heard of a workable MSM7xxx phone |
| 18:22.55 | tmzt | but dzo just told me that ati can only draw into framebuffer |
| 18:23.02 | tmzt | and mdp/ppp still does dma over mddi |
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| 18:23.14 | chrisa | I don't understand why android handsets keep using the last gen chips |
| 18:23.21 | Marajin | chrisa: yes the MSM 72/75 series :P |
| 18:23.24 | tmzt | Marajin: snapdragon has a faster apps core, but it's the same smi stuff we've been working with for the last year |
| 18:23.37 | tmzt | me neither |
| 18:23.42 | tmzt | but they also don't pull codeaurora |
| 18:23.44 | PuffTheMagic | yo yo |
| 18:23.47 | tmzt | so no clue really |
| 18:23.51 | Marajin | hey PuffTheMagic |
| 18:24.00 | egaudet_work | what's up puff |
| 18:24.06 | Rick_work | http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Consumer-Product-and-Services/Mobile-Phones/ci.Motorola-CLIQ-US-EN.alt |
| 18:24.09 | tmzt | oh, and Samsung and Motorola are completely different kernels |
| 18:24.11 | chrisa | I don't even think besides the x27 line that the earlier ones have FPUs |
| 18:24.11 | Marajin | tmzt: yeah well that's intel's P4 trick isn't it? fighting bad design with faster clocks |
| 18:24.17 | Marajin | tmzt: but it technically works |
| 18:24.20 | tmzt | and added a bunch of OEM rpc stuff on amss |
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| 18:24.53 | tmzt | chrisa: no, but great to know 27 does :) karmic won't work on non-vfp |
| 18:25.05 | PuffTheMagic | oil preware needs a watermake logo in the background like mediafly has |
| 18:25.09 | chrisa | Also, it's a good time to mention that it was funny when you guys (well, the news sites) were posting rumors that the pre was changing to 7x27 |
| 18:25.16 | tmzt | Rick_work: that's cliq, not sholes/droid |
| 18:25.26 | tmzt | we have kenrel source for cliq, it's on opensource.motorola.com |
| 18:25.56 | chrisa | tmzt: you'd be amazed how many floats/doubles webkit uses ... |
| 18:25.56 | tmzt | chrisa: why? I thought it was confirmed |
| 18:25.58 | tmzt | I can guess, the luna stuff is nice |
| 18:26.07 | chrisa | tmzt: no, I mean pre specifically. There were rumors saying pre went omap->msm |
| 18:26.11 | tmzt | it would be nicer if you used sgx though :) |
| 18:26.14 | tmzt | ah |
| 18:26.15 | chrisa | When they were just confused and mixing up a pixi leak |
| 18:26.28 | tmzt | no, the d digitial stuff confirmed omap3 |
| 18:26.38 | Chais_z3r0 | now that i have komodo, i guess i need the add-on |
| 18:26.39 | tmzt | I was excited for year |
| 18:26.43 | chrisa | Pretty sure we said pre was omap well before it came out |
| 18:26.48 | tmzt | yeah |
| 18:26.51 | chrisa | analysts and rumormongers are just generally dumb |
| 18:26.51 | mdklein | wonders how long he has to wait for 1.2.x on opensource.palm.com... |
| 18:27.05 | tmzt | chrisa: this is why I'm launching a good blog :) someday |
| 18:27.10 | tmzt | oh, oops |
| 18:27.20 | tmzt | but I have no sources |
| 18:27.46 | tmzt | chrisa: the funnier part is the used the gsm codename for Pre |
| 18:27.55 | chrisa | Neither do some of the analysts |
| 18:27.56 | chrisa | tmzt: which codename? |
| 18:28.07 | tmzt | I just recognized |
| 18:28.09 | tmzt | it |
| 18:28.19 | tmzt | now I forget |
| 18:28.23 | chrisa | I don't remember the carrier codenames for it, just our internal one |
| 18:28.49 | tmzt | but they used it for a next generation Palm before d:digital |
| 18:29.04 | tmzt | I had dmesg somewhere, it's in the top |
| 18:29.13 | tmzt | or that tokens stuff rwhitby posted |
| 18:30.22 | PuffTheMagic | ok. for the record. irssi on terminal on pre BLOW@s |
| 18:30.57 | Marajin | PuffTheMagic: pah :p |
| 18:31.06 | tmzt | it's the first part of the machine name before castle |
| 18:31.13 | Marajin | PuffTheMagic: it sucks worse on angstrom on a HTC Kaiser ;) |
| 18:31.55 | Chais_z3r0 | lol PuffTheMagic interesting idea ^^ |
| 18:31.57 | PuffTheMagic | wait till i get wIRC/wIRCd ut |
| 18:32.20 | chrisa | Am I the only person who doesn't like these horizontal sliders android seems to use? |
| 18:32.26 | chrisa | Granted, I don't like sliders much in general |
| 18:32.48 | Marajin | chrisa: yes, you're a loner ;) :p |
| 18:32.49 | Deeps | chrisa: you mean the G1? (Android is an OS, not a phone o_O) |
| 18:32.59 | Mousey | man.. what? |
| 18:33.11 | chrisa | Deeps: the vast majority of android phones use a horizontal slider |
| 18:33.23 | chrisa | Maybe because they all are just mimicing the G1. I'm not sure |
| 18:33.34 | Deeps | i thought the G1 was the only phone that had a keyboard (And thus a slider?) |
| 18:33.37 | PuffTheMagic | i think horiz sliders make better use of screen space |
| 18:33.50 | Chais_z3r0 | i can't see any webos specific things in komodo yet oO |
| 18:34.03 | mdklein | eh, most winmo sliders also are horizontal |
| 18:34.03 | tmzt | and the paste expired |
| 18:34.04 | PuffTheMagic | the pre is too narrow for lines of text |
| 18:34.10 | chrisa | I think I'm past the point in my life where I want my phone to look like a gameboy while I'm using it |
| 18:34.23 | Deeps | i think the point of the horizontal is to have bigger keys |
| 18:34.29 | tmzt | Deeps: only android phone? it was until cliq/sholes |
| 18:34.37 | Marajin | chrisa: heh :) I wish I still had my original 80s gameboy :p |
| 18:34.38 | tmzt | calgary?? |
| 18:34.49 | chrisa | Mine is probably in ohio somewhere, still working |
| 18:34.52 | chrisa | Those things do not die |
| 18:35.04 | tmzt | chrisa: ohio? where? |
| 18:35.05 | chrisa | Much like my first gen working NES |
| 18:35.11 | tlp | PuffTheMagic: yep, it really does blow. Hence why I've been excited about your IRC service :p |
| 18:35.13 | chrisa | columbus |
| 18:35.26 | Deeps | tmzt: not out still though :( |
| 18:35.26 | tlp | I can easily envision an awesome webOS IRC client. I drew one out on paper a few months ago. |
| 18:35.26 | tmzt | I'm in akron, little far to go looking though |
| 18:35.30 | egaudet_work | horizontal sliders are much better |
| 18:35.53 | chrisa | I grew up in columbus so my mental image of the rest of ohio is something akin to a mad max wasteland, except with rednecks |
| 18:36.09 | PuffTheMagic | tlp oil has a basic gui working |
| 18:36.18 | chrisa | egaudet_work: fair enough. I don't like pre's slider either |
| 18:36.19 | tmzt | well, you keep coming north on 71 or 77 or something and you find civilization again |
| 18:36.27 | tlp | PuffTheMagic: Does it do anything, or is it a mock-up? |
| 18:36.33 | PuffTheMagic | just waiting for the service ;) |
| 18:36.36 | tlp | ah |
| 18:37.10 | tlp | I'm not sure what you have in mind for the service, but the IRC protocol is super basic. An IRC client amounts to a plain text parser. |
| 18:37.38 | tlp | You could pass the raw protocol text to the webOS app and it could parse it in JavaScript. |
| 18:38.02 | tlp | so that the service would basically just be dealing with sockets |
| 18:38.41 | Flashpass | quick question, when I stream music via bluetooth from my pre, is it a lossy transmission? |
| 18:38.50 | chrisa | irc is that wheel that just keeps being reinvented |
| 18:39.13 | Marajin | long live IRC :p |
| 18:39.21 | Marajin | chrisa: and yeah it is, it's almost as bad as MUDs |
| 18:39.31 | hozer | bah, just build finch and run it from the terminal :P |
| 18:39.36 | tmzt | chrisa: now you have me looking for this codename or I'm just remembering wrong |
| 18:39.42 | tmzt | I guess they all have nova- |
| 18:40.02 | Marajin | hozer: finch can be annoyingly unstable |
| 18:40.12 | mdklein | hozer likes unstable things |
| 18:40.39 | Marajin | it's random too, I noticed on my server sometimes it runs for weeks then one day poof.. and othertimes it'll crash 3 times in an hour |
| 18:41.04 | Marajin | it seems related to the msn protocol though majoritatively so somethings probably upsetting it related to msn/live messenger |
| 18:41.08 | mdklein | right now xchat aqua crashes every time I right-click, so I really can't talk about stability of IRC clients... |
| 18:41.35 | Marajin | mdklein: that'd be a mac version yes? |
| 18:41.41 | mdklein | yes |
| 18:41.44 | Marajin | right |
| 18:41.55 | Marajin | tempting though it is I'm trying not to make silly comments about macs :( |
| 18:42.05 | mdklein | it used to work, I just haven't had time to debug what changed |
| 18:42.29 | chrisa | I used a first gen ibook g4 running debian as my main development system for all of college |
| 18:42.48 | Marajin | I used to have a powerbook g4 and I had an intel mac mini |
| 18:42.50 | chrisa | Then the logic board died out like nearly every other apple laptop back then |
| 18:42.54 | Marajin | I tried to like OS X, god knows I tried |
| 18:43.00 | tmzt | chrisa: how long ago was that? |
| 18:43.16 | Marajin | but I just can't do it :( |
| 18:43.42 | chrisa | 02-08 |
| 18:43.42 | Chais_z3r0 | you're coming from linux? |
| 18:44.12 | chrisa | ? |
| 18:44.24 | mdklein | I think I had gentoo running on my g4s, it was kind of funny one year at a conference apple reps came over and noticed all the powerbooks at our booth, but every single one was running some version of linux... |
| 18:44.24 | chrisa | I couldn't use osx, the ui bothered me |
| 18:44.57 | Marajin | mdklein: heh :) |
| 18:45.07 | Marajin | mdklein: yeah I ended up running gentoo on my powerbook g4 |
| 18:45.20 | Marajin | then the screen hinge snapped for no real reason I know of |
| 18:45.23 | Marajin | and I just got fed up |
| 18:45.23 | mdklein | I don't mind os-x as much since 10.5... I generally work in it, on the g4s, I'd have mac-on-linux for any os-x needed work |
| 18:45.33 | mdklein | ugh, I went through 3 hinges on my g4 |
| 18:46.17 | Marajin | TBH of the.. 4 macs I've owned in my life I never actually bought any of them |
| 18:46.35 | Marajin | the only apple products I've ever purchased were an ipod classic and an ipod touch 2G |
| 18:46.35 | mdklein | that too, I only have them for work |
| 18:47.01 | Marajin | I just detest them as a company too much to bring myself to pay them any significant wonga |
| 18:47.36 | chrisa | I can't buy their products because they force a trackpad I cannot use |
| 18:47.38 | mdklein | I won an ipod touch once, but the gf decided to wash my gym clothes without checking pockets, and it didn't like to swim :( |
| 18:47.52 | Marajin | mdklein: heh :) |
| 18:48.06 | Marajin | mdklein: man you should be glad you get your clothes washed for you :p |
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| 18:48.18 | Marajin | ...well you should if you hadn't lost connection :> |
| 18:48.21 | mdklein | damn accidental right clik |
| 18:48.25 | Marajin | aha, wb mdklein :p |
| 18:48.29 | Marajin | mdklein: man you should be glad you get your clothes washed for you :p |
| 18:48.36 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v mdklein] by ChanServ |
| 18:50.15 | mdklein | brb |
| 18:55.41 | egaudet_work | where's dBsooner |
| 18:55.47 | egaudet_work | ~seen dBsooner |
| 18:55.52 | infobot | dbsooner <n=dbsooner@ip98-184-140-94.tu.ok.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 17h 10m 10s ago, saying: 'I just hate my routers cuz I want to have pptp client on my router, but all of my routers are only 2MB rom space.'. |
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| 19:07.24 | tmzt | but pptp is a small plugin to ppp |
| 19:07.26 | tmzt | pppd |
| 19:07.32 | tmzt | and mostly in the kernel anyway |
| 19:08.21 | tmzt | chrisa: what's wrong with the trackpad? |
| 19:08.42 | tmzt | two fingers is right mouse button |
| 19:10.05 | chrisa | I cannot stand tapping trackpads, and enabling notap is the first thing I do after an os install |
| 19:10.25 | chrisa | and needing multiple fingers is annoying to me |
| 19:11.05 | tmzt | ah, ok |
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| 19:14.48 | Thomaschaaf | now working on getting the 1.2.1 on GSM |
| 19:15.05 | en0x | did it flashed fine? |
| 19:15.21 | Thomaschaaf | I am now downloading the webdoctor.. |
| 19:15.28 | Thomaschaaf | just got home.. |
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| 19:15.43 | Thomaschaaf | so 16 mins.. till dl is finished |
| 19:15.58 | Thomaschaaf | is there a faster mirror.. |
| 19:16.00 | en0x | i see |
| 19:16.06 | en0x | i thought that u flashed it already |
| 19:16.12 | Thomaschaaf | 200kb/s on a 1600 kb/s line sucks |
| 19:17.02 | Thomaschaaf | I hope it will even let me flash.. |
| 19:17.17 | Thomaschaaf | I currently don't have a sim lock would suck if that got changed.. |
| 19:18.25 | Thomaschaaf | do you think a reflashing would solve it if that was the case and would I get to return it saying it doesn't work anymore after I used the webdoctor.. |
| 19:18.25 | Thomaschaaf | since that is all i'm doing.. |
| 19:19.21 | en0x | you will be able to flash back |
| 19:19.33 | en0x | and you for sure can exchange it |
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| 19:19.35 | en0x | if it broke |
| 19:19.39 | Thomaschaaf | is there a way to get all the sim contacts into the palm cloud or google cloud? I really hate retagging everyone after flashing it.. |
| 19:19.55 | tmzt | throw it very high |
| 19:20.00 | Rick_work | The doctor should just work Thomas |
| 19:20.03 | tmzt | wait, what? |
| 19:20.11 | HattCzech | anyone here had issues with exchange for their pre? i'm getting "unable to validate incoming mail server settings" |
| 19:20.19 | Mousey | i'd still like to be my own cloud and store them in my local ldap database =( |
| 19:20.34 | Thomaschaaf | Mousey ExchangeserveR? |
| 19:20.41 | Mousey | OpenLDAP |
| 19:20.42 | Rick_work | Thomaschaaf doesn't the "first run" app give you the opportunity to do that? |
| 19:21.02 | Mousey | eGroupware, to be precice |
| 19:21.04 | Thomaschaaf | uhm maybe.. but now it's to late :( |
| 19:21.15 | Rick_work | Thomaschaaf you're flashing it. |
| 19:21.22 | Rick_work | that will re-run the first-use app. |
| 19:21.27 | Thomaschaaf | yea but already have a palm acc |
| 19:21.40 | Rick_work | should still be ok guy.... |
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| 19:22.54 | Mousey | everybody bitches about the cloud, and warns about the cloud, and dooms and naysays about the cloud, but when it comes to standing up and acting, hosting your own data in your own machines.. nobody thinks that's a good idea.. =( |
| 19:23.18 | Mousey | faust would be so proud |
| 19:23.23 | Thomaschaaf | Mousey: you could write an app for that ;) |
| 19:23.29 | freakout | loves having his data on his own machine |
| 19:23.30 | Mousey | Thomaschaaf: there's tons of apps for it |
| 19:23.43 | Mousey | but i'm still tied to Palm Profile, mysteriously |
| 19:24.35 | tmzt | Mousey: push opaque data to remote machines |
| 19:24.54 | Mousey | doesn't untie me from palm profile |
| 19:25.08 | Mousey | its not about obscurity, or opaquity, or even anonimity |
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| 19:25.41 | Mousey | and talking about it just makes me feel worse, cuz i'll just look like a kook.. |
| 19:25.47 | Mousey | so whatever |
| 19:25.49 | Thomaschaaf | I hate when the connection sucks.. why doesn't palm have a descent connection so I can dl the webdoctor faster? |
| 19:26.03 | tmzt | Palm's connection? |
| 19:26.23 | Thomaschaaf | http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/p121r0d10092009/sr1ntp121rod/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar slow as fuck from germany |
| 19:32.24 | Rick_work | it's not the servers, |
| 19:32.34 | Rick_work | palm's downloads to here are very fast. |
| 19:32.39 | tmzt | it's a cdn |
| 19:32.40 | Rick_work | they need to mirror in europe |
| 19:32.43 | tmzt | there's no mirror somewhere? |
| 19:32.48 | tmzt | makes no sense |
| 19:34.00 | freakout | Mousey: for me it's just about reliability. At the end of the day I trust having my own copy of my data more than I do having it all on someone else's machine |
| 19:34.17 | freakout | Mousey: even if that machine(s) are vastly more powerful and reliable than my own ;) |
| 19:34.31 | Mousey | freakout: yes, but still no syncml |
| 19:34.36 | Thomaschaaf | 3% |
| 19:34.40 | tlp | oil: do you have any screenshots of the UI you worked up for wIRC? |
| 19:34.51 | Thomaschaaf | whohooo 6% |
| 19:35.55 | Mousey | freakout: that's exactly right. but everybody loves their wool helmets too much i guess |
| 19:36.47 | freakout | Mousey: they will learn... (cue ominous music) |
| 19:37.36 | Mousey | see, that goes back to "d, and warns about the cloud, " |
| 19:37.50 | Mousey | but whatever, i guess its offtopic to begin with |
| 19:40.34 | Thomaschaaf | freakout: yeye 54% |
| 19:40.43 | freakout | Thomaschaaf: lol |
| 19:40.54 | freakout | Thomaschaaf: yes, I'm sure the percentage going up is very exciting |
| 19:41.01 | Thomaschaaf | haha :D |
| 19:41.04 | freakout | Thomaschaaf: .....for you :o |
| 19:41.09 | Thomaschaaf | :( |
| 19:41.12 | freakout | lol |
| 19:41.33 | freakout | Thomaschaaf: I'll be excited when it's finished and working ;) |
| 19:42.12 | freakout | Thomaschaaf: we can scream and do a little happy dance like a girl telling her friends that she's getting married |
| 19:44.38 | Thomaschaaf | hmm not moving along at 66% |
| 19:44.45 | Thomaschaaf | ah okay forget that |
| 19:44.50 | freakout | Thomaschaaf: lol |
| 19:45.08 | freakout | Thomaschaaf: go make a cup of coffee or a cocktail or something while yu wait |
| 19:45.11 | freakout | do some push-ups |
| 19:45.16 | freakout | go for a run |
| 19:45.26 | Thomaschaaf | 4chan iwll do :P |
| 19:45.43 | freakout | haha |
| 19:45.48 | freakout | goes to get ready for work... |
| 19:46.19 | Thomaschaaf | booooooting |
| 19:46.46 | Thomaschaaf | freakout: wait at what time do you wrok? |
| 19:47.02 | Thomaschaaf | weernt you up like 7 hours ago? |
| 19:47.28 | freakout | Thomaschaaf: I'm in Oz. Went to bed at midnight. Work is 8am shift today :( |
| 19:47.39 | Thomaschaaf | Oz? |
| 19:47.44 | freakout | australia |
| 19:47.49 | Thomaschaaf | oh okay |
| 19:48.00 | Thomaschaaf | do you even have the palm there? |
| 19:48.37 | tlp | oil: ah, found it in my URL log. Your UI looks a lot like mine. :D |
| 19:48.49 | Thomaschaaf | no german :( |
| 19:50.06 | oil | aye? |
| 19:50.27 | tlp | yep, except you actually have real mockups and not just drawings. |
| 19:51.01 | oil | ok? |
| 19:51.08 | oil | idk what we're talking about |
| 19:51.14 | tlp | 13:33 < tlp> oil: do you have any screenshots of the UI you worked up for wIRC? |
| 19:51.47 | oil | oh |
| 19:55.06 | oil | you made a gui? |
| 19:56.08 | Thomaschaaf | can I see the UI design? |
| 19:57.13 | freakout | oil: And can I post your mockup? under the category of "homebrew app preview"? :) |
| 19:57.16 | tlp | oil: Yep. The first thing I did after playing around with my Pre for a few days was draw out how I thought a webOS IRC client would work, but abruptly abandoned the project when I found out the SDK can't deal with sockets. |
| 19:57.37 | oil | freakout it doesn't do shit |
| 19:57.39 | tlp | you guys are more equipped than I am to do this anyway, so I'm glad you have similar ideas |
| 19:59.05 | Thomaschaaf | yo! |
| 19:59.06 | Thomaschaaf | yo1 |
| 19:59.08 | Thomaschaaf | its working |
| 19:59.09 | tlp | I was going to do it over AJAX with a PHP backend, but I never really liked that idea. |
| 19:59.16 | Thomaschaaf | now lets try to call someone :D |
| 19:59.20 | oil | yeah, thats a really bad idea |
| 20:00.06 | Thomaschaaf | calling works |
| 20:00.12 | Flashpass | has there been any news or information about a possible skype chat application by chance? |
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| 20:00.32 | oil | probably wont be for a while |
| 20:00.51 | Thomaschaaf | you can't access the mic.. |
| 20:00.51 | Flashpass | why is that? |
| 20:00.54 | Thomaschaaf | maybe with 1.3 |
| 20:01.06 | oil | even so, it would need to be done with a service |
| 20:01.12 | oil | you're not going to be doing skype calls over ajax |
| 20:01.14 | oil | lols |
| 20:01.17 | Flashpass | Ah, I would mostly like it for the chat capabilities though honestly. |
| 20:03.47 | Thomaschaaf | I think libpurple actually has that funcatioality.. |
| 20:04.01 | Thomaschaaf | at least miranda does I think |
| 20:05.08 | chrisa | People have the headers for purple connectors now don't they? |
| 20:05.09 | oil | goes back to work |
| 20:05.41 | Abyssul | On what Oil? |
| 20:05.56 | oil | uh, my job |
| 20:06.03 | oil | lunch is over :( |
| 20:06.09 | Abyssul | Haha |
| 20:06.33 | Thomaschaaf | is there a way to get the keyboard lit up and have the screen dark? |
| 20:07.11 | gkatsev | check brightness unlinked or w/e the app is called |
| 20:08.38 | Abyssul | Wow... is Engadget just about Apple? |
| 20:09.00 | gkatsev | no |
| 20:09.11 | Abyssul | Theres like 10 Apple articles back to back |
| 20:09.15 | gkatsev | the engadget show's first guest was john rubenstein |
| 20:09.21 | gkatsev | Abyssul: new apple stuff today |
| 20:09.32 | Abyssul | Well that makes sense I guess |
| 20:10.09 | Thomaschaaf | the mac mini server looks cute.. |
| 20:10.14 | Thomaschaaf | but EXPENSIVE |
| 20:10.18 | gkatsev | their new mouse looks kind of cool, actually |
| 20:10.53 | freakout | oil: No, but it's pretty. |
| 20:11.21 | freakout | oil: and PreCentral haven't covered it yet ;) |
| 20:11.42 | Abyssul | People are so stupid... This person is asking for a patch to have the Pre answer calls when they open the slider |
| 20:11.47 | freakout | chrisa: if you're talking about libpurple, the answer is yes |
| 20:12.20 | chrisa | Have people tried to get pidgin's irc support working? |
| 20:12.27 | chrisa | I mean, pidgin irc usage is awful, but still |
| 20:12.29 | freakout | chrisa: well, greg_roll has |
| 20:12.38 | Abyssul | Greg_Roll will be working on that soon |
| 20:12.39 | freakout | but only in a preliminary sense |
| 20:12.46 | freakout | he's still working on Facebook chat right now |
| 20:12.55 | freakout | not having much luck thus far. |
| 20:12.56 | Abyssul | I don't think he will be useing Pidgins though |
| 20:15.57 | chrisa | Of all things to work on I'm amazed facebook chat is a priority |
| 20:16.37 | gkatsev | some people really like their facebook chatz |
| 20:17.05 | freakout | chrisa: I've been harassing him to do it myself, don't know about others :p |
| 20:17.21 | freakout | chrisa: but apparently it's easier than IRC. low-hanging fruit and all |
| 20:18.18 | Abyssul | Is anyone able to change the bookmarks in the start page for the browser into a list similar to if you went to "Menu - Bookmarks" ? |
| 20:20.14 | gkatsev | Abyssul: rearrange the order of bmarks in the start page? |
| 20:20.32 | Abyssul | You know how the bookmarks are currently images in a 3 by 3 fashion? |
| 20:20.39 | gkatsev | yes |
| 20:20.46 | gkatsev | ah, make it a list? |
| 20:21.02 | Abyssul | I want to try and create a palm-list in a exact replication of the "bookmarks" scene page |
| 20:21.20 | Abyssul | Have you gone to that page? |
| 20:21.36 | gkatsev | Abyssul: couldnt you hack the browser to have the "Menu -> bookmarks" be the startup scene? |
| 20:21.44 | Templarian | Abyssul: I was just thinking about how awesome that would be earlier (since I have like 20 bookmarks and growing. |
| 20:21.59 | Abyssul | But then the user couldnt access the URL bar |
| 20:22.12 | gkatsev | oh, hm... |
| 20:22.33 | gkatsev | you could type a url in universal search... |
| 20:22.36 | Abyssul | Its basically transfering hte bookmarks scene code to the start page |
| 20:22.43 | *** join/#webos-internals Thomaschaaf (n=thomasch@p548576C5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:23.23 | Abyssul | Hehe, theres Thomas now |
| 20:23.36 | Thomaschaaf | whats the newest version of preware? |
| 20:23.41 | Thomaschaaf | 0.9.4? |
| 20:23.47 | Abyssul | Last I checked |
| 20:23.49 | Thomaschaaf | I can't find it on get.preware.org anymore |
| 20:24.39 | Abyssul | Hmm... the Trapster app was removed |
| 20:24.56 | Abyssul | well its shut off |
| 20:25.20 | gkatsev | yeah, i think 094 is newest |
| 20:25.27 | en0x | maybe the update is coming |
| 20:26.03 | Abyssul | Thomaschaaf: Im trying to convince other people here to create the bookmark list for the browser start page. :p |
| 20:26.26 | en0x | Thomaschaaf: is ur pre working fine on 1.2.1 sprint rom? |
| 20:27.16 | Thomaschaaf | yep |
| 20:27.23 | en0x | cool |
| 20:27.26 | Thomaschaaf | but no german :( |
| 20:27.32 | en0x | oh got ya |
| 20:27.47 | Thomaschaaf | It would have been like 2mb to include the translation files.. |
| 20:27.50 | en0x | who needs german anyway :P |
| 20:27.55 | Thomaschaaf | ;P |
| 20:28.25 | Thomaschaaf | installing the messaging patch right now.. |
| 20:29.13 | Abyssul | Templarian: Did you want to look into creating a patch like that? |
| 20:29.32 | Thomaschaaf | anyone of you have the invisibleSHIELD on their palm? |
| 20:29.52 | Thomaschaaf | I don't like the feel of it :( |
| 20:29.58 | Abyssul | Mines naked |
| 20:30.02 | Abyssul | always has been |
| 20:30.06 | en0x | mine too |
| 20:30.13 | gkatsev | mine is naked but i have a holster for it |
| 20:30.20 | Abyssul | I use the sleeping bag |
| 20:30.28 | gkatsev | in my pocket it kept getting pocket lint on it |
| 20:30.36 | en0x | i use palm case |
| 20:30.38 | gkatsev | Abyssul: the thing that came with it? |
| 20:30.42 | Abyssul | Yea |
| 20:30.45 | Thomaschaaf | I am thinking to remove it since it was only half price of an iphone and if it breaks in 12 months I'll get the new palm or an iphone if palm pisses me off |
| 20:30.52 | gkatsev | i dont feel the vibrations when its in it |
| 20:31.17 | en0x | i got the belt case and i love it |
| 20:31.18 | Abyssul | Thats why I need a vibrate patch |
| 20:31.19 | gkatsev | so, i got the seidio holster with audio jack access |
| 20:31.24 | Thomaschaaf | I want to set the vibration for mails a bit longer |
| 20:31.34 | Thomaschaaf | just a tad.. |
| 20:31.35 | Abyssul | We have all these complicated patches and we can't modify the vibrate option |
| 20:32.01 | gkatsev | i want the vibrations for calls to not stop until the caller hangs up or it goes to voicemail |
| 20:32.06 | Thomaschaaf | how come we can't has anyone looked into the code? |
| 20:32.33 | Thomaschaaf | I want the screen to lock when I shut the phone :P |
| 20:32.44 | Abyssul | The Txt Manager app can create patterns and durations for the vibrate, |
| 20:32.45 | Templarian | Abyssul: no just checked to see if anyone had done it. |
| 20:32.50 | Thomaschaaf | is there a wishlist I can write stuff on? |
| 20:32.57 | Thomaschaaf | the calendar.. needs to get better |
| 20:33.05 | Abyssul | What Calender? |
| 20:33.10 | Thomaschaaf | haha :D |
| 20:33.18 | gkatsev | Thomaschaaf: i think the wiki has a wishlist somewhere |
| 20:33.33 | Abyssul | Thomaschaaf: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/ |
| 20:33.34 | Abyssul | :p |
| 20:36.01 | Thomaschaaf | the keytoss made my phone go apeshit with 1.1.3 don't know if I wan to install it again.. |
| 20:36.52 | gkatsev | keytoss works fine for me |
| 20:37.00 | gkatsev | uses 1.2.1 |
| 20:37.43 | Thomaschaaf | uh new patches :D |
| 20:37.50 | Thomaschaaf | now 71 were 66 before.. |
| 20:39.19 | Thomaschaaf | one thing to add the app catalog doesn't work after you install 1.2.1 on gsm o2 germany phone |
| 20:39.32 | Thomaschaaf | only have 4 apps I can install |
| 20:40.47 | Thomaschaaf | another thing I would like to see is that I want to "shop" in the store select a thing to install and continue "shopping" |
| 20:40.57 | Thomaschaaf | I don't want to wait for it to finish downloading.. |
| 20:42.12 | Thomaschaaf | also I always want to be able to have a usb thumb drive.. anyone with me on that? |
| 20:43.05 | Abyssul | Preware keeps stalling on "Checking Version" |
| 20:43.19 | Thomaschaaf | yea beacuse the preware.org is down.. |
| 20:43.22 | Thomaschaaf | I can't install terminal.. |
| 20:43.26 | Abyssul | mmk |
| 20:43.42 | Thomaschaaf | who owns it? |
| 20:43.49 | Thomaschaaf | can I mirror that stuff? |
| 20:43.49 | Rick_work | preware.org and webos-internals server is off line for a 16 gig ram upgrade |
| 20:44.01 | Thomaschaaf | Rick_work: how long? |
| 20:44.10 | Thomaschaaf | just pop in the ram and go or what? |
| 20:44.11 | Rick_work | less than an hour unless something breaks |
| 20:44.30 | Thomaschaaf | :( now I will have to watch some tv series.. |
| 20:45.01 | Thomaschaaf | well now where in the wiki do I post that using sprints doctor works fine and keeps your phone unlocked.. |
| 20:45.05 | Thomaschaaf | and working great? |
| 20:45.33 | Rick_work | in the research portal |
| 20:45.40 | Rick_work | but of course, the wiki is on the same server |
| 20:46.04 | Thomaschaaf | arrr |
| 20:46.25 | Thomaschaaf | Rick_work: who are you on the team? |
| 20:46.35 | Rick_work | What a good question. |
| 20:46.55 | Thomaschaaf | do you have a bigger role in the project? |
| 20:47.54 | Abyssul | Hes just here to look pretty |
| 20:47.59 | en0x | ;] |
| 20:48.09 | Thomaschaaf | oh cool we share the same job then :P |
| 20:48.26 | Abyssul | Competition? |
| 20:48.27 | Rick_work | :-) I signed on as a wiki editor back before we went to the mediawiki server. |
| 20:48.34 | Rick_work | but things keep expanding.... |
| 20:49.02 | Rick_work | these days, it would appear that my primary job is the same as my day-job |
| 20:49.20 | Thomaschaaf | chatting on IRC? |
| 20:49.23 | Rick_work | I listen to people a lot, and when other people have problems and questions, I end up directing them somewhere...... |
| 20:49.41 | gkatsev | lurks |
| 20:49.43 | Rick_work | well, and I do systems design. The original design for Preware was mine. |
| 20:50.03 | Rick_work | and I'm the semi-official "old fart" |
| 20:50.20 | gkatsev | who is the official "old fart"? |
| 20:50.28 | Rick_work | although I'm not -sure- that Doc Lee isn't older than I am. |
| 20:50.47 | en0x | mmm |
| 20:50.49 | Thomaschaaf | haha the eu commision just made that the LAbels have to sign contracts for whole europe and can't only sell licenses for single countries anymore :D |
| 20:50.50 | en0x | milkyway |
| 20:50.55 | Thomaschaaf | Pandora here you come! |
| 20:51.11 | en0x | pandora sucks |
| 20:51.17 | Thomaschaaf | whats betteR? |
| 20:51.21 | gkatsev | slaps en0x around with a large trout |
| 20:51.22 | Thomaschaaf | I hate last.fm |
| 20:51.27 | en0x | shoutcast is much bettah! |
| 20:51.36 | Thomaschaaf | yea.... No :d |
| 20:52.02 | en0x | ;p |
| 20:52.05 | gkatsev | en0x: even if shoutcast could possibly be better (idk, never used it), it doesnt mean that pandora sucks |
| 20:52.28 | Rick_work | reality's shoutcast client -rocks- |
| 20:52.33 | Rick_work | Doc Lee did a hell of a job |
| 20:52.34 | en0x | it does suck because when i'm using it i'm more excited |
| 20:52.34 | en0x | :D |
| 20:52.50 | gkatsev | preware should go down according to US timing, not AU |
| 20:52.57 | Rick_work | it did |
| 20:53.12 | Rick_work | it had to go down when it staff at OSU OSL were working |
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| 20:53.57 | Rick_work | early afternoon Oregan State University time. |
| 20:54.08 | gkatsev | feh |
| 20:54.16 | Rick_work | webos-internals server is in the same rack as the linux kernal and open-embedded. |
| 20:55.15 | Robi_ | apparently now i'm a sprint premier customer |
| 20:55.23 | Robi_ | and get a 25% off accessories offer that are 25% price inflated |
| 20:55.25 | Rick_work | that's a GOOD thing. |
| 20:55.42 | Rick_work | yes but far mor important, you now get to talk to sprint premier support |
| 20:55.47 | Rick_work | instead of the regular folks. |
| 20:55.50 | Abyssul | Awesome, Win 7 released in two days |
| 20:55.52 | Rick_work | Trust me, that's good. |
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| 20:57.19 | Templarian | (Abyssul keep that kind of talk to #webos-watercooler, we've been going off topic to much lately) |
| 20:57.41 | Abyssul | But we arn't talking about anything worthwhile really |
| 20:58.10 | gkatsev | i already have win7 pro |
| 20:58.14 | gkatsev | msdnaa++ |
| 20:58.24 | Abyssul | Well I have the beta |
| 20:58.57 | gkatsev | been using win7 since the pdc build |
| 20:59.01 | Robi_ | im still waiting on a better price on the charging pad/backplate |
| 20:59.10 | Deeps | touchstone? |
| 20:59.12 | Abyssul | Touchstone? |
| 20:59.14 | Abyssul | lol |
| 20:59.14 | gkatsev | precentral store? |
| 20:59.27 | Thomaschaaf | how much longer? |
| 20:59.53 | Templarian | (so many computers are going to be shown off this thursday) |
| 21:00.31 | gkatsev | yeah, like the t91MT |
| 21:00.36 | Templarian | Dell pulled XP from a lot of the OS choices, so they are obviously getting ready |
| 21:00.59 | gkatsev | i wonder if i could upgrade my t91 to the MT version... |
| 21:01.16 | Robi_ | ya the puck dohicky |
| 21:01.17 | gkatsev | but even just putting win7 on it will make it much more usable |
| 21:02.00 | Templarian | Does the t91 have a touch screen at all? |
| 21:02.15 | gkatsev | yeah |
| 21:02.26 | Templarian | Just not multi-touch I presume from the name? |
| 21:02.37 | gkatsev | the t91 is the touchscreen eee pc, the t91MT is adding multitouch to it |
| 21:02.39 | Robi_ | asus has some new multitouch stuff |
| 21:02.40 | gkatsev | Templarian: yeah |
| 21:03.11 | gkatsev | though, it could support it via drivers, though, since it is a resistive touchscreen MT on that one wont be as good as conductance MT |
| 21:03.43 | Thomaschaaf | how do I connect to the usb with novacom.exe? |
| 21:03.50 | Thomaschaaf | novacom.exe -t does nothing :( |
| 21:03.54 | Thomaschaaf | just gives me the help |
| 21:03.59 | gkatsev | Thomaschaaf: windows? |
| 21:04.03 | Thomaschaaf | y |
| 21:04.06 | gkatsev | get the novaterm |
| 21:04.13 | gkatsev | there is a link on the wiki |
| 21:04.13 | egaudet_work | novacom -t open tty:// |
| 21:04.17 | Thomaschaaf | it gives me an error everytime |
| 21:04.23 | Rick_work | download the novaterm from geist's website, but what egaudet_work said will work |
| 21:04.38 | Thomaschaaf | egaudet_work: thx |
| 21:04.39 | Rick_work | Thomaschaaf the novaterm gives you an error when you run it? |
| 21:04.45 | Rick_work | 64 bit windows? |
| 21:05.13 | gkatsev | i must say, i still dont see the point of running 64bit, nothing works as it should... |
| 21:05.21 | Rick_work | there is a JAVA novaterm in process from palm, they have one intern working on it. :-) |
| 21:05.29 | Templarian | gkatsev: actually everything works. |
| 21:05.47 | gkatsev | idk, i always have problems running 64bit |
| 21:05.51 | Templarian | It's just when people get horribly lazy that it breaks. |
| 21:06.15 | Abyssul | 64 bit works fine for me |
| 21:06.17 | gkatsev | might be lazy... |
| 21:06.24 | gkatsev | but i dont think thats the reason |
| 21:07.08 | Templarian | It will be nice to watch XP finally disappear from all the large sites soon. |
| 21:07.27 | Thomaschaaf | Templarian: from sites?! |
| 21:07.37 | Templarian | Thomaschaaf: dell hp etc... |
| 21:07.46 | Thomaschaaf | ah okay.. yea |
| 21:07.49 | Thomaschaaf | and vista too :D |
| 21:08.23 | Thomaschaaf | I would like MS to go back to 2 or 3 versions.. would love if they would include all language packs everywhere.. |
| 21:08.32 | Templarian | Is it bad that the surface dnd thing earlier was the coolest article on engadget all day. |
| 21:08.58 | Templarian | Probably single handedly the coolest thing done with the device so far. |
| 21:09.23 | Templarian | Thomaschaaf: why it's just bloat and can't they just be downloaded? |
| 21:09.50 | Templarian | (the main disc comes with the main languages anyway) |
| 21:10.28 | Thomaschaaf | yea but I want to be able to have american friends over and let them use my computer without having to ask me every two minutes what a german work means.. |
| 21:11.13 | Templarian | English, Spanish, French, German all come installed you would just have to switch under settings wouldn't you? |
| 21:11.44 | Templarian | (could be wrong since I cannot find the setting hehe) |
| 21:12.21 | Thomaschaaf | just in ultimate ;) |
| 21:12.48 | Thomaschaaf | or do you mean on the palm there its only english or espanion |
| 21:12.51 | Thomaschaaf | l |
| 21:13.06 | Templarian | I have ultimate installed. |
| 21:13.24 | Thomaschaaf | go to the updates and there you can get them.. |
| 21:13.29 | Thomaschaaf | optional updates ;) |
| 21:13.51 | Abyssul | Anyone wanna upload my patches to Preware? :p |
| 21:13.55 | Templarian | All the languages are there you can just select it on the Region / Language screen. |
| 21:14.05 | Thomaschaaf | I know.. |
| 21:14.10 | Thomaschaaf | only for ultimate ;) |
| 21:14.20 | Thomaschaaf | I am lucky and got them because I have MSDN.. |
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| 21:15.01 | Templarian | Doesn't MSDNAA only comes with Professional though... |
| 21:15.28 | Templarian | (unless you mean the RC stuff) |
| 21:16.17 | gkatsev | msdnaa only has pro |
| 21:16.19 | Thomaschaaf | I bought MSDN ;) |
| 21:16.34 | gkatsev | which, is prefectly fine for 90% of users |
| 21:16.38 | Thomaschaaf | I need it for developing |
| 21:17.45 | Templarian | gkatsev: 90%? really it's fine for 99%. |
| 21:18.06 | Deeps | it's more than fine for the majority of users |
| 21:18.13 | gkatsev | well, im including businesses and power users and stuff |
| 21:18.15 | Thomaschaaf | I really want to know what Palm is working on with 1.3.0 |
| 21:18.30 | Thomaschaaf | hope they make calendar better I need to be able to invite others.. |
| 21:19.21 | Templarian | Bitlocker is the only big thing I know that are not there in professional, and only high end IT need that probably. |
| 21:19.36 | gkatsev | bitlocker is only ultimate |
| 21:19.53 | Thomaschaaf | and the many different lanugages ;) |
| 21:20.00 | Templarian | (i just kind of said that) |
| 21:20.15 | gkatsev | lol |
| 21:20.24 | gkatsev | there are some other stuff which i dont remember of the top of my head |
| 21:20.36 | Templarian | Thomaschaaf: I've been spreading a rumor that Palm has been working on webkit 4 integration. hehe. |
| 21:21.09 | *** join/#webos-internals acydlord (n=acydlord@174.17.72.248) |
| 21:21.10 | gkatsev | new rumor: palm is working on and integration with webkit 5. :) |
| 21:21.17 | gkatsev | with full webgl support |
| 21:21.31 | gkatsev | for webos 2.0 |
| 21:21.41 | Marajin | Templarian: tsk tsk |
| 21:21.44 | Templarian | That would be a killer rumor. |
| 21:21.44 | Thomaschaaf | Templarian: That would be a waste.. the browser is fine.. they really get to get their shit together and give us the abbility to talk to the mic, have a decent calendar and keyboard which is lit up, when dark |
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| 21:22.08 | Marajin | Thomaschaaf: what or earth? |
| 21:22.08 | gkatsev | i want good canvas support |
| 21:22.16 | Templarian | hehe. :P |
| 21:23.04 | Templarian | Thomaschaaf: if they upgrade to webkit 4 it would upgrade everything not just the browser. |
| 21:23.13 | Thomaschaaf | Marajin: The browser isn't good enough for you? in my opinion it would be more useful to get PIM apps running smooth.. come on give me native ICQ, MSN, IRC?, AIM, etc.. |
| 21:23.15 | Templarian | gkatsev: me and you both. |
| 21:23.25 | *** join/#webos-internals Ron0001 (n=ronsorde@75-148-15-217-washington-dc.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 21:23.29 | Marajin | Thomaschaaf: the pim apps run smooth and the keyboard DOES light up |
| 21:23.29 | Thomaschaaf | yea but I still want PIM over the browser |
| 21:24.01 | Marajin | well so do I |
| 21:24.03 | Thomaschaaf | Marajin: do the following put your screen on very dark and then try to type in a dark room |
| 21:24.11 | Marajin | ...yes, and? |
| 21:24.17 | Marajin | I never turn the lights on at home anyway :p |
| 21:24.20 | gkatsev | i want everyone to have good canvas support so gkatsev.com/projects/falldown/falldown.shtml will work everywhere |
| 21:24.21 | Thomaschaaf | Uhmm my keyboar is dark.. |
| 21:25.03 | Marajin | Thomaschaaf: it's broken then, heck the keyboard light is part of the inbuilt test suite |
| 21:26.00 | Thomaschaaf | actually it does light up with 1.2.1 |
| 21:26.07 | Thomaschaaf | wow.. |
| 21:26.23 | Marajin | I'm using 1.1.3.. |
| 21:26.37 | Thomaschaaf | Marajin: where are you from? |
| 21:26.42 | Marajin | England |
| 21:26.58 | gkatsev | hes a ukdian |
| 21:27.07 | Thomaschaaf | me germany just upgraded to 1.2.1 |
| 21:27.17 | Marajin | Thomaschaaf: serves you right! |
| 21:27.30 | Marajin | Thomaschaaf: seriously it works fine under 1.1.3 here, so your comment seemed wtf to me |
| 21:27.45 | Ron0001 | anyone know what an error value of 22 means when trying to install the search keytoss keyword patch? |
| 21:27.51 | Thomaschaaf | for me it didn't I was just in the car and couldn't see whit.. |
| 21:28.07 | Thomaschaaf | Ron0001: the servers are down |
| 21:28.17 | Marajin | they must think germans like it dark then? :p |
| 21:28.19 | Ron0001 | well, that explains it :) |
| 21:29.05 | Marajin | Thomaschaaf: however, the alternate IM protocols I totally agree with :p |
| 21:29.12 | Marajin | Thomaschaaf: AIM and gtalk be limiting |
| 21:29.21 | Abyssul | Yay! My Pre is playing ghost with me |
| 21:29.32 | Mousey | . o O ( ghost? ) |
| 21:29.34 | Marajin | and the AIM support isn't ideal since it routinely fubars if you have a spotty signal |
| 21:29.39 | Marajin | Abyssul: oooeeeeoooo! |
| 21:29.40 | Thomaschaaf | they should get users to vote on what they want.. |
| 21:29.46 | Mousey | half my kingdom for generic Jabber support |
| 21:29.48 | Abyssul | Keeps turning on and off without a notifcation lol |
| 21:29.51 | Marajin | sneaks up behind Abyssul and goes Boo! |
| 21:29.54 | Abyssul | AHH |
| 21:29.55 | Mousey | it's all there, googletalk is already jabber |
| 21:29.58 | Abyssul | :( |
| 21:30.04 | Mousey | just need the ability to put arbitrary servers! |
| 21:30.09 | Mousey | </whine> |
| 21:30.21 | Marajin | meh jabber be damned unless you mean to use transports to get other protocols |
| 21:30.38 | Marajin | heh.. your saying it upgraded to 1.2.1 made me do another update check |
| 21:30.41 | Marajin | 'unable to connect' |
| 21:30.44 | Marajin | woo! |
| 21:31.00 | Thomaschaaf | Marajin: I used the sprint doctor.. |
| 21:31.03 | Thomaschaaf | it works! |
| 21:31.08 | Thomaschaaf | even 3G |
| 21:31.44 | Marajin | o rly? they tried to get me to do that but I kinda went 'um.. no' in case it went kaboom |
| 21:31.51 | Marajin | however that might explain your issues ;) |
| 21:31.59 | Marajin | it "works" but does it work like it oughta :p |
| 21:32.09 | Mousey | Marajin: MY jabber server has said transports set up |
| 21:32.15 | Mousey | but everyone i know is on jabber servers |
| 21:32.26 | Marajin | Mousey: so does mine but I seriously have no native jabber contacts |
| 21:32.26 | Mousey | f somebody elses crappy IM protocols |
| 21:32.31 | Thomaschaaf | only issue I'm having is that the app catalogue doesn't work aswell |
| 21:32.34 | Mousey | oh. that's all i have |
| 21:32.42 | Mousey | yay jabber contacts |
| 21:33.07 | Marajin | Mousey: yay all your friends are nerds :p |
| 21:33.20 | Marajin | ducks. |
| 21:33.33 | Mousey | dials.. hello? Kettle? this is Pot calling.. |
| 21:33.41 | Mousey | =P |
| 21:34.00 | Marajin | my pot isn't black! nor is my kettle! |
| 21:34.05 | DarthPooh | is the server still down? |
| 21:34.11 | Mousey | hands Marajin a mirror |
| 21:34.11 | Thomaschaaf | yep |
| 21:34.14 | Marajin | I reduced them both to white powder long ago! |
| 21:34.17 | DarthPooh | kk |
| 21:34.44 | Thomaschaaf | just check this: http://get.preware.org/ |
| 21:35.50 | freakout | Marajin: there you go, Tomaschaaf has more balls than you |
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| 21:36.01 | freakout | *thomaschaaf |
| 21:36.26 | Marajin | freakout: or less to lose if his phone goes poof |
| 21:36.45 | Marajin | freakout: see if you wanted me to flash something like that to my xperia x1 or something I'd do it |
| 21:37.21 | freakout | lol |
| 21:37.27 | freakout | Marajin: disposable are they? |
| 21:37.37 | Marajin | freakout: yep |
| 21:37.48 | Thomaschaaf | Marajin: I have 14 day returnal agreement |
| 21:37.52 | Thomaschaaf | o2 rocks |
| 21:38.15 | Marajin | freakout: I have a HTC Hermes, Kaiser and Kovsky (HTC TyTn, TyTn II and Xpera X1 respectively) that I frankly don't care about :p |
| 21:38.24 | Marajin | Thomaschaaf: well so do I, English = o2 exclusive :P |
| 21:38.35 | Marajin | Thomaschaaf: what I can't do is not have a working phone for a coupla days ;) |
| 21:39.20 | Thomaschaaf | Marajin: It's 10 mins to doctor.. |
| 21:39.28 | Marajin | IF it's doctorable :P |
| 21:39.34 | Marajin | however I didn't KNOW if it would be |
| 21:39.46 | Marajin | ergo I avoided finding out ;) |
| 21:44.41 | Thomaschaaf | when is 1.3 expected again Nov yea but when? Beginning, mid, end? |
| 21:45.05 | Rick_work | no data |
| 21:45.31 | sepi | has anyone of you ever sniffed the google calender sync? Is it using the api described on this page http://code.google.com/apis/calendar/data/2.0/developers_guide_protocol.html ? |
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| 21:48.17 | Marajin | Rick_work: ...no data what? the comment doesn't seem to have a context |
| 21:48.52 | Rick_work | thomas asked when 1.3 would be available - there is no data regarding that |
| 21:49.12 | Marajin | aaah |
| 21:49.23 | Marajin | it's rumoured for november though |
| 21:51.56 | Mousey | Marajin++ |
| 21:52.41 | Marajin | Mousey: hey! hey! don't increment me! I'm already close to overflow |
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| 21:55.39 | prevangelist | Page down? |
| 21:56.04 | Abyssul | Eh? |
| 21:56.38 | Marajin | Abyssul: feeling mystified? |
| 22:00.52 | sepi | webos-internals.org down ... :/ |
| 22:01.43 | Marajin | All them poor packets, pinging off into oblivion! |
| 22:03.52 | rwhitby | sepi: you might want to follow @webosinternals on twitter to get planned outage announcements. |
| 22:06.15 | tlp | is there a webosinternals on Facebook? |
| 22:06.31 | sepi | rwhitby: ok |
| 22:06.42 | sepi | rwhitby: wait, I allready do :) |
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| 22:09.52 | Templarian | tlp: that is a good question... |
| 22:10.11 | Abyssul | Answers no |
| 22:10.25 | tlp | It can be linked with Twitter so it's not a burden to update both. |
| 22:11.15 | Marajin | ewww, social networking |
| 22:12.02 | Mousey | mmm, CIA goodness |
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| 22:12.32 | tlp | Marajin: it's a nifty way to get news. People check them like crack. |
| 22:12.38 | Marajin | ...I'm reminded of a song |
| 22:12.40 | Marajin | tlp: I don't1 |
| 22:13.44 | Marajin | Mousey: "T'was on the orient express... sat a maiden young and fair.. and a guy sat down beside her and began to stroke her hair.." ever hear the song? |
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| 22:15.24 | Mousey | Marajin: um. no. sounds like a VIOLATION! |
| 22:15.47 | Abyssul | Anyone wanna test my theme? |
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| 22:15.58 | Mousey | is it a SEAHAWKS theme? |
| 22:16.02 | Abyssul | Haha no.. |
| 22:16.06 | Marajin | Mousey: the final chorus is the reason I remembered the song |
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| 22:16.34 | Mousey | stares blankly |
| 22:17.53 | Marajin | Mousey: around about the point it gets to 'No need to panic, no need to cry, I'm an undercover agent working for the FBI... but the poor guy nearly fainted, when to him she did say.. Hey, my name is fritz! these are not real tits and I'm with the CIA!" |
| 22:18.21 | Mousey | lulz |
| 22:19.00 | Marajin | great song :) |
| 22:19.14 | Mousey | by? |
| 22:19.36 | Marajin | um, well I don't know if he wrote it but I heard it sung by billy connelly |
| 22:19.53 | Mousey | *nod* |
| 22:20.43 | einalex | Robi_: the tethering app doesn't work on my gsm pre |
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| 22:21.18 | Abyssul | When can we get a patch that will enable a "Time til lock" for the Pre? I hate having to enter my PIN each time I want to respond to a text message. |
| 22:21.24 | Abyssul | I would kill for that |
| 22:21.48 | einalex | Abyssul: why don't you just disable hat? |
| 22:22.11 | Abyssul | Because I rather have the burden than have people in my texts and photos |
| 22:22.35 | Abyssul | Like just last week I had to give my phone to a teacher to go to the bathroom and when I came back he tried to read my messages |
| 22:23.15 | sepi | wtf |
| 22:23.16 | Robi_ | einalex: oh rly? |
| 22:23.23 | Robi_ | you tell raja about it? |
| 22:23.30 | Robi_ | einalex: , the concept is silly simple |
| 22:23.50 | einalex | not yet.. |
| 22:24.06 | Robi_ | einalex: you just use the linux commands to get ipforwarding going |
| 22:24.17 | Robi_ | einalex: you can look at all the scripts it uses |
| 22:24.26 | einalex | Abyssul: you could manually lock it before giving it away |
| 22:24.50 | Abyssul | A PIN lock? |
| 22:24.56 | Abyssul | Thats troublesome... |
| 22:25.12 | Robi_ | einalex: just look at the forums on how to get log data from the app.. then some patience, since you're probably not the only one its not working for |
| 22:25.50 | Abyssul | Why not just have the ability for a timer or a certain combo with the keys that (center button and power button? or meta key + center) that will manually lock the Pre with the PIN. |
| 22:25.58 | einalex | Abyssul: less troublesome than reentering the pin everytime you get it back from standby |
| 22:25.59 | Marajin | Abyssul: to a teacher? man how old are you |
| 22:26.04 | Abyssul | 17 |
| 22:26.20 | Marajin | and you have to give up your phone to go to the toilet? |
| 22:26.24 | Abyssul | Our school was on lockdown due to the shooting and they didn't want us calling people. |
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| 22:26.59 | Marajin | man we have to grill our kids just to get them to turn their phones to silent and they /leave/ our place at 16 |
| 22:27.11 | sepi | does PalmDatabase also contain the calendar data? |
| 22:27.52 | einalex | Robi_: i will, although i'd really prefer to have ad-hoc networks appear in the network list.. |
| 22:28.13 | Robi_ | generally they do |
| 22:28.20 | sepi | also, I cannot find anything about running python or ruby on the pre. Has this been done before? |
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| 22:28.32 | Robi_ | if you make one on yor laptop, the Pre will see it |
| 22:28.55 | Robi_ | the harder part is to make one on the Pre, but not that hard as it's just linux |
| 22:29.27 | sepi | I'd like to write a script that can somehow send my calendar to my server |
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| 22:29.59 | einalex | Robi_: well with my pre they don't |
| 22:30.09 | einalex | but i'm on the gsm one with webos 1.1.3 i think |
| 22:30.24 | Robi_ | wifi chip doesn't care |
| 22:30.59 | Robi_ | so you're saying if you change your network to an AP it shows, but ADHoc doensn't? |
| 22:31.07 | Robi_ | AP=infrastructure |
| 22:31.51 | einalex | i say when i enable the wifi via the gui |
| 22:31.59 | einalex | the list of available networks |
| 22:32.11 | einalex | shows just infrastructure networks |
| 22:32.23 | einalex | but no ad-hoc networks |
| 22:35.45 | Robi_ | odd, it shouldn't care |
| 22:35.47 | rwhitby | sepi: python and rubi are in optware. |
| 22:35.52 | Robi_ | perhaps there's some filter in the UI |
| 22:36.15 | Robi_ | compare it to the iwconfig output in a terminal |
| 22:36.15 | einalex | i had a look at the javascript |
| 22:36.34 | einalex | and it is accespoint specific to a degree |
| 22:36.53 | einalex | that makes me wonder if someone even thought about doing adhoc with it.. |
| 22:37.06 | einalex | then again it could just be a naming issue |
| 22:37.11 | Robi_ | ya we did long ago |
| 22:39.15 | Robi_ | there an update for your device yet? |
| 22:39.20 | Robi_ | 1.2.x? |
| 22:39.30 | einalex | no |
| 22:39.35 | einalex | unfortunately not |
| 22:39.53 | Robi_ | ad hoc worked for us in 1.x, so it must be something custom from your provider |
| 22:40.32 | einalex | we should probably compare the related files |
| 22:40.49 | einalex | generate diffs and look whats different.. |
| 22:44.32 | Abyssul | Anyone wanna look into this? http://tinyurl.com/yju4xr7 |
| 22:45.08 | en0x | i dont use autolock |
| 22:45.09 | en0x | :P |
| 22:46.49 | zsoc | Abyssul, I think it would be easier to create a patch that _stopped_ autolock from engaging without a certain key command. or maybe a "Switch" that turned it on in off (instead of having to go into a menu, just a quick trigger) |
| 22:46.54 | sepi | rwhitby: ohh, ok, I only looked in the wiki. thanks |
| 22:47.13 | Abyssul | Thats kind've what I'm asking :) |
| 22:47.17 | Abyssul | Its a start |
| 22:48.03 | en0x | i would go with a patch that is using a switch to turn it on or off |
| 22:48.13 | en0x | something like double tap next to center button for keyboard |
| 22:48.17 | en0x | that would beneat |
| 22:48.21 | Abyssul | Easier said than done... |
| 22:48.24 | zsoc|away | yeah, actually, one of those "trigger" apps... would probably be a super sinch to copy |
| 22:48.26 | en0x | right |
| 22:48.28 | zsoc|away | change the one variable or what not |
| 22:50.20 | einalex | so Robi_, you know the needed files, could you just link them on a wiki page and post me the url? i'd look into it then.. |
| 22:50.42 | Robi_ | doesn't work that way |
| 22:51.15 | Robi_ | for an app to be able to turn on/off wifi there's the need to have terminal services start/stop |
| 22:51.36 | Robi_ | for that ther's the webos-internals service you install, so scripts can be executed |
| 22:51.53 | Robi_ | then you can hook that into a webos app and run it |
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| 22:54.40 | Abyssul | It can't just be a key combination or a timer? |
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| 23:02.22 | rwhitby | Robi_: which webos-internals service are you referring to? |
| 23:03.40 | AnOutsider | evening all |
| 23:03.43 | sepi | I'm also searching for it |
| 23:06.45 | Robi_ | one that can run scripts |
| 23:06.49 | Robi_ | shell scripts |
| 23:07.18 | Robi_ | although the tether app doesn't use it.. |
| 23:08.23 | Robi_ | http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/191213-my-tether-tether-over-wifi-usb-bt.html |
| 23:10.30 | en0x | before it used scripts |
| 23:10.37 | en0x | after when he wrote the service |
| 23:10.41 | en0x | no need for scripts i guess |
| 23:12.10 | Templarian1 | rwhitby: what happened to pregame do you know? (his app and service for flashlight vanished ans so did he) |
| 23:13.05 | AnOutsider | thought I saw him on here the other day? |
| 23:14.18 | rwhitby | Templarian1: the flashlight stuff is still there. canuck-software's feed has hosting problems at the source, but our mirror of the ipkgs is still there - just the Packages index file is empty. |
| 23:14.30 | rwhitby | I believe he is busy on the PreCentral app. |
| 23:15.57 | en0x | i wonder if we will be ever be able to get speed boost on pre |
| 23:16.11 | en0x | like there is one on iphone u just clck an app |
| 23:16.16 | en0x | and its open within a second |
| 23:16.26 | sepi | Robi_: is that the same service used by the terminal? |
| 23:17.43 | Abyssul | PreGame seems to post every once in a while |
| 23:17.53 | Abyssul | and I saw him log into here like a week ago lol |
| 23:19.02 | DarthPooh | en0x: speed won't really come until they optimize lunasys and enable the OS to utilize the GPU |
| 23:20.18 | en0x | yes but they will need to write some sort of api for gpu so programs will be able to take advantage og it |
| 23:20.32 | DarthPooh | I think native API |
| 23:20.35 | Templarian1 | rwhitby: oh. good to know. |
| 23:20.37 | DarthPooh | is inevitble |
| 23:20.52 | DarthPooh | if not, Palm fails |
| 23:21.48 | sepi | DarthPooh: what about canvas 3d? |
| 23:21.53 | sepi | and continue to optimize the js engin |
| 23:21.54 | sepi | e |
| 23:22.06 | DarthPooh | can this CPU handle canvas 3d? |
| 23:22.20 | Templarian1 | Yea. Should be able to. |
| 23:22.40 | DarthPooh | I am more interested in OpenGL to be honest |
| 23:23.09 | Templarian1 | (of course that would definately be preferred) |
| 23:23.17 | DarthPooh | but dont think the CPU can handle 2.0 |
| 23:23.29 | DarthPooh | it already chokes hard on simple rendering |
| 23:23.34 | DarthPooh | in webkit |
| 23:24.32 | DarthPooh | but it seems like if there is lowered overhead for drawing, why not just enable the GPU to do all that? |
| 23:24.41 | Templarian1 | didn't look at the chip didn't even see if it has 2.0... |
| 23:24.48 | DarthPooh | I dont know enough about the chipset |
| 23:25.33 | DarthPooh | what I do know is this, the best processor on the market for a mobile fone and it isn't being utilized = fail |
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| 23:25.40 | sepi | so is the gpu not enabled in the moment? |
| 23:25.46 | DarthPooh | correct |
| 23:25.55 | sepi | wt |
| 23:25.56 | sepi | f |
| 23:26.11 | freakout | sepi: there's a secret unlock code |
| 23:26.14 | sepi | I guess they just don't have any time |
| 23:26.22 | sepi | freakout: huh? |
| 23:26.29 | freakout | sepi: You need to hold your Pre above your head and chant "Toooobulcaaaaan" six times |
| 23:26.30 | Templarian1 | I presume if they are working on webkit 4 they would be working on getting gpu to smooth stuff out. |
| 23:26.31 | freakout | :p |
| 23:26.43 | sepi | freakout: pfff |
| 23:26.54 | freakout | We *know* they're working on it |
| 23:27.01 | freakout | they're hiring "graphical engineers" |
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| 23:27.35 | sepi | well, I'll stop my bachelor's thesis then and work at palm |
| 23:27.35 | Templarian1 | freakout: yea but I feel better saying "presume" etc... they have a game developer writing an api or integrating on so. |
| 23:28.51 | DarthPooh | the problem with openGL is the webos needs to probably be rewritten in order to use it |
| 23:29.07 | DarthPooh | animations would require complete writes from scratch |
| 23:29.13 | Templarian1 | DarthPooh: not if it's based on webkit the rendering part just needs to be. |
| 23:29.15 | sepi | but I guess it should be rather easy to enable the gpu part but one would need a driver and software that uses it |
| 23:29.39 | DarthPooh | templarian1: yes, sorry, I added my next line to clarify |
| 23:30.09 | DarthPooh | it's probably easier to enable the GPU and write those drivers/rewrites then to integrate openGL |
| 23:30.17 | sepi | afaik TI is quite open about the OMAP3 |
| 23:31.16 | Templarian1 | wouldn't doubt it if opengl moves to mobile devices as it's going to enevitably lose hold on the desktop front, which could be a good thing. |
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| 23:33.14 | freakout | DarthPooh: you sound pretty cluey on this |
| 23:33.25 | sepi | there are allready PowerVR drivers for Linux btw |
| 23:33.36 | DarthPooh | I do? I've been making it all up tbh ;) |
| 23:35.12 | alphaone | 8/ca |
| 23:35.17 | chrisa | On one hand it's annoying that apps aren't sized for pixi, but on the other I guess I can't really expect that yet |
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| 23:38.25 | freakout | DarthPooh: lol. shoulda known |
| 23:38.47 | freakout | chrisa: tell us the release date and we'll know when to be ready :p |
| 23:39.14 | chrisa | Lets call it today, I already have a pixi |
| 23:39.52 | Templarian1 | hehe. |
| 23:47.10 | *** join/#webos-internals infobot (i=ibot@rikers.org) |
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| 23:47.22 | freakout | chrisa: but with such crummy data plans in Oz (the best you can get is 1GB) wifi is a dealbreaker for webOS |
| 23:48.38 | Templarian1 | I don't use wifi... 3g is just as faster and always there. |
| 23:48.54 | Templarian1 | s/faster/fast/ |
| 23:49.04 | Templarian1 | ~botsnack |
| 23:49.04 | infobot | :), Templarian1 |
| 23:49.47 | freakout | welcome back infobot |
| 23:49.59 | Templarian1 | 1gb is still a decent amount though but yea not good enough without wifi |
| 23:50.55 | Templarian1 | What number gives usage * and what number? |
| 23:53.11 | Templarian1 | i guessed lol it's *4 |
| 23:53.34 | Templarian1 | i'ved 2minutes in 10 days lol. |
| 23:54.56 | rwhitby | Templarian1: no, infobot is independent |
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| 23:56.14 | Templarian1 | Yea, i've only used 293MB of data, we need a torrent app. |
| 23:58.07 | Templarian1 | rwhitby: you should let the robots think for themselves i've seen how this ends... it doesn't end well. |
| 23:58.45 | rwhitby | Templarian1: as long as infobot can't flash a Pre, we're still ok. |
| 23:58.58 | rwhitby | is now off listening to PalmCast Live. http://chatroll.com/palmcast-live |