| 00:02.12 | rwhitby | channel |
| 00:03.12 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: too bad webOS dont have checkbox widgets |
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| 00:03.27 | PuffTheMagic | toggle switches just dont cut it for somethings |
| 00:03.40 | AnOutsider | go custom :) |
| 00:03.56 | mumbles | i have pizza! |
| 00:04.18 | Smubeht | what is the difference PuffTheMagic? |
| 00:04.38 | PuffTheMagic | Smubeht: screen space usage |
| 00:04.49 | Smubeht | gotcha |
| 00:04.50 | PuffTheMagic | user insteraction |
| 00:05.20 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: Packages and Packages.gz also redirected now |
| 00:05.22 | PuffTheMagic | it would be easier to put a checkbox and a text field in 1 row |
| 00:05.29 | PuffTheMagic | than a toggle switch and a textbox |
| 00:05.51 | AnOutsider | could def be something cool to make custom tho |
| 00:05.52 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: the ipkg work-around for app limit is still working opposite for some people, for some unknown reason |
| 00:06.04 | AnOutsider | really just an image sprite with on/off state |
| 00:06.22 | AnOutsider | ahh, good reason. Haven't hit that myself |
| 00:06.37 | PuffTheMagic | AnOutsider: im not saying its hard, just that it would be nice |
| 00:07.24 | AnOutsider | indeed |
| 00:07.59 | AnOutsider | That facebook developer's comments were interesting. I definitely agree that webos needs more speed, but I think he exaggerated a bit |
| 00:08.24 | Abyssul | I think he might have a misconception about the Pre though. He states that it's sluggish.... |
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| 00:09.08 | Abyssul | What's that have to do with a Facebook app... |
| 00:09.10 | AnOutsider | It can be sluggish yes, but it's NOT horrible |
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| 00:09.42 | AnOutsider | comparing it to an iphone when the iphone is actually behaving though, yeah it's pretty slow in comparison. Taps alone are MUCH more responsive |
| 00:11.03 | AnOutsider | rwhitby: so you're getting itno webos coding now? Any apps on the way? |
| 00:11.32 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: heh - just enough to maintain preware while oil is busy on wirc at the moment :-) |
| 00:12.10 | AtomicPlayboy | wIRC is awesome, btw. |
| 00:12.19 | AnOutsider | absolutely |
| 00:12.37 | AnOutsider | hey rwhitby: what's the test feed url? I'll grab it down (new preware) and test |
| 00:12.42 | Smubeht2 | yeah wIRC is great |
| 00:12.52 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/ |
| 00:13.00 | bpadalino | where was the fb app developer interview ? |
| 00:13.39 | Templarian | bpadalino: you mean http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/11/joe-hewitt-developer-of-facebooks-massively-popular-iphone-app-quits-the-project/ |
| 00:13.44 | bpadalino | thanks |
| 00:15.10 | bpadalino | hrm .. no real mention of webOS there ? |
| 00:16.37 | AnOutsider | http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9990/facebook-for-iphone-developer-on-webos/ |
| 00:16.39 | Mousey | again, i'm surprised everytime somebody is surprised about apple's crappy attitude towards their customers |
| 00:16.46 | AnOutsider | "I would love to develop for WebOS. It's probably my favorite of all the current mobile OS's, although the performance of the Pre is absolutely horrid and I can't imagine developing for it until they optimize their software and put out better hardware." |
| 00:17.05 | bpadalino | thanks AnOutsider |
| 00:18.40 | Smubeht2 | the processor in the Pre is similar to that of iPhone 3gs right? so in theory its just a matter of optimizing to make it run faster.. Imean it will never run as fast as the iPHone due to its nature being multitasking oriented where as iPhone is how fast can i open and run an app, but I am sure there can be speed increases made to the current device..or am I totally off base? |
| 00:19.44 | AnOutsider | Wasn't it the GPU (or its lack of usage?) |
| 00:19.46 | roxfan | iphone runs osx, pre runs linux, there are all kinds of differences |
| 00:19.58 | roxfan | the core is similar, yes |
| 00:20.22 | bpadalino | all video stuff being done by the CPU is kind of a hog .. but i haven't seen anyone profile the running of the code to see where the long legs are |
| 00:20.25 | roxfan | otoh pre has a dsp coprocessor which afaik is used for video |
| 00:20.41 | roxfan | while iphone does everything in the main cpu |
| 00:21.27 | AnOutsider | wow, just saw the last call thing. Anyone hear mention of an actual deadline though? |
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| 00:22.18 | roxfan | also i think pre runs at a higher clock rate |
| 00:25.20 | bpadalino | the pre has a nice base ... luna may be a little slow, but there's nothing slow about the underpinnings of it all |
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| 00:27.36 | AtomicPlayboy | I think coding for the GPU will make all the difference. |
| 00:27.53 | AtomicPlayboy | 90% of the Pre's "slowness" is just graphical. |
| 00:28.08 | AtomicPlayboy | At least from my own experience. |
| 00:28.16 | bpadalino | i wouldn't go so far as to put a percentage to it ... i haven't seen any profiling .. |
| 00:28.21 | bpadalino | but it would help |
| 00:28.35 | AnOutsider | this isn't my area, but would things be snappier if it were written in C instead of Java? |
| 00:28.36 | AtomicPlayboy | Maybe not 90%. :P |
| 00:28.52 | sjanssen | AnOutsider: the bigger issue is probably the things that are written in Javascript |
| 00:29.03 | AtomicPlayboy | Most of the Linux underpinnings are C. |
| 00:29.16 | AtomicPlayboy | Most of the Palm programming is JS. |
| 00:29.25 | cphelps | and almost none of it is Java. |
| 00:29.35 | sjanssen | it seems to me that lots of it is Java |
| 00:29.55 | AnOutsider | well the services are java |
| 00:29.56 | cphelps | sjanssen: services are largely java, yes |
| 00:29.58 | AnOutsider | the UI isnt though |
| 00:30.07 | AnOutsider | I did notice things liek the lockscreen are in java tho. strange |
| 00:30.07 | sjanssen | from my day or so poking about the emulator, most applications are just shims in front of DBUS services |
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| 00:30.37 | sjanssen | so display logic, etc. is in Javascript, but the actual guts of talking to your email server or whatnot are in Java |
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| 00:33.44 | sjanssen | there are nearly 3000 classes in the jars in the emulator |
| 00:34.28 | sjanssen | only about 1600 in the com.palm.* namespace, though |
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| 00:36.15 | bpadalino | lots of classes |
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| 00:41.27 | natenrb9 | rwhitby: yeah, seems like the prethemer feed isn't pulling up |
| 00:41.37 | natenrb9 | restarting my phoneâ¦we'll see if that helps |
| 00:42.21 | PuffTheMagic | sjanssen: yes its a shame how much is in java when there is a prefectly good C api available |
| 00:42.39 | PuffTheMagic | sjanssen: if i can ever pull my self away from writing new C services i am gonna port some of the java stuff over to C |
| 00:42.50 | PuffTheMagic | like the mail,messenger and calendar services |
| 00:42.50 | AnOutsider | natenrb9: having issues with the prethemer feed? |
| 00:43.36 | sjanssen | PuffTheMagic: I bet it would be a pain to do luna-style DBUS in C |
| 00:43.37 | AnOutsider | preware guys, is the reason you load feeds through the service because fetching them with json and parsing is too slow? |
| 00:43.43 | PuffTheMagic | sjanssen: not at all |
| 00:43.46 | sjanssen | they don't really use DBUS features at all, just send JSON as strings |
| 00:43.53 | PuffTheMagic | sjanssen: i've written a few services in C now |
| 00:44.10 | sjanssen | PuffTheMagic: JSON isn't too annoying to consume in C? |
| 00:44.12 | PuffTheMagic | sjanssen: i wrote wIRCd in C, i am porting ipkgservice to C |
| 00:44.17 | natenrb9 | AnOutsider: yeah, hasn't been pulling up, trying again... |
| 00:44.24 | PuffTheMagic | jauderho: there are a few json libs in C tha make things easy |
| 00:44.33 | PuffTheMagic | jauderho: i dont even use them when "creating" json objects |
| 00:44.33 | AnOutsider | can you visit prethemer from your phone? |
| 00:44.41 | AnOutsider | Rod did say some people were having issues over EVDO |
| 00:44.41 | PuffTheMagic | i only use them for parsing incomming json objects |
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| 00:44.50 | rwhitby | natenrb9: there would have been a 5 minute interval where the feed would have hung. a reboot or a 10 minute wait should fix it if you were unlucky enough to hit that window. |
| 00:45.05 | PuffTheMagic | sjanssen: i canmake much nicer services in C than i can in java |
| 00:45.07 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: json can't get to the feed files. |
| 00:45.18 | PuffTheMagic | sjanssen: and i suck at C, compared to "real C programmers" |
| 00:45.21 | sjanssen | PuffTheMagic: by "nicer" you mean? |
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| 00:45.27 | natenrb9 | yeah, still not pulling up, even restarted the phone... |
| 00:45.45 | AnOutsider | rwhitby: true, because they're zipped, but for the couple of small apps ive done, ive used ajax to fetch a json "feed" |
| 00:46.00 | AnOutsider | problem is, it seems parsing a large bit of json just KILLS the phone |
| 00:46.09 | AnOutsider | even on the emulator |
| 00:47.11 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: |
| 00:47.13 | rwhitby | Inflating http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/prethemer/Packages.gz |
| 00:47.13 | rwhitby | ipkg: Invalid gzip magic |
| 00:47.27 | PuffTheMagic | sjanssen: well there are no "headers" so when we were first figuring out how tomake services (java specifically) all we could do is look at decompiled java services, but for C, we could see all the symbols in lunaservice.so not to mention GPL'd lunaservice.h which explicitally shows all the avalable function calls, which is far more robust that what we could/were doing with java services |
| 00:47.52 | AnOutsider | hmm, it's redirecting right to the raw feed and not the gz |
| 00:48.02 | sjanssen | PuffTheMagic: ah, I see |
| 00:48.50 | sjanssen | doesn't get why palm doesn't just open source the services, but meh |
| 00:48.58 | PuffTheMagic | sjanssen: like there are thinkgs that i am doing in my C services that I didnt ever think I could do when i started writing java sevices |
| 00:49.12 | PuffTheMagic | sprugman: probably case Palm is a bunch of java programmers |
| 00:49.17 | PuffTheMagic | sjanssen: ^^ |
| 00:49.25 | PuffTheMagic | sjanssen: and they dont know how to go about doing a native sdk yet |
| 00:49.32 | PuffTheMagic | so they are waiting for us to work out all the kinks |
| 00:49.47 | sjanssen | PuffTheMagic: I mean they should open source the Java services |
| 00:50.20 | PuffTheMagic | example.... the day after i released my "reverse engineered" lunaservice.h so that we could link against lunaservice.so, palm decided to GPL the headers they gave out under NDA |
| 00:50.29 | rwhitby | natenrb9: try now |
| 00:52.32 | natenrb9 | there you go, its up |
| 00:52.35 | natenrb9 | nice |
| 00:52.46 | rwhitby | natenrb9: thanks for reporting it |
| 00:52.52 | natenrb9 | np |
| 00:54.05 | natenrb9 | btw: Preware is super sick! |
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| 00:55.24 | rwhitby | yeah, it is pretty damn fine, isn't it. oil is a genius. |
| 00:55.39 | Mousey | hands him some oiltreats |
| 00:55.46 | natenrb9 | oil? |
| 00:55.55 | oil | ? |
| 00:55.58 | natenrb9 | ah |
| 00:56.07 | rwhitby | natenrb9: oil wrote almost all of the javascript code in Preware |
| 00:56.13 | natenrb9 | wonderful work oil! |
| 00:56.16 | oil | dont tell people that |
| 00:56.18 | oil | lol |
| 00:56.31 | rwhitby | I just tweak bits around the edges when he's busy on wirc ;-) |
| 00:56.42 | natenrb9 | oil: don't worry, its something to be proud of |
| 00:56.57 | natenrb9 | rwhitby: ha! nice |
| 00:57.11 | Mousey | eagerly awaits someone (anyone!) to tackle the lack of "generic xmpp" dilemma |
| 00:57.21 | Mousey | promises beer |
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| 00:58.46 | robertjw | The sd8xxx WiFi driver is GPL from Marvell. Why is it not included in the Palm source release? |
| 00:59.23 | oil | because palm is forgetful |
| 01:00.08 | tlp | oil: :o really? Cool @ Preware. |
| 01:00.29 | oil | you didn't know that? |
| 01:00.56 | tlp | I knew you contributed, but I didn't know you were responsible for the bulk of it :p |
| 01:01.47 | oil | $ git shortlog -n -s |
| 01:01.47 | oil | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.47 | oil | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.47 | oil | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.47 | oil | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.48 | oil | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.20 | tlp | awesome. |
| 01:02.35 | AnOutsider | I'll be unknown |
| 01:03.20 | oil | actually |
| 01:03.25 | oil | thats also me |
| 01:03.30 | AnOutsider | :( |
| 01:03.33 | oil | when i was first figuring out git |
| 01:03.36 | AnOutsider | just take my 3. meany. |
| 01:03.37 | oil | i didn't put a name |
| 01:03.37 | oil | lol |
| 01:03.41 | oil | ok |
| 01:03.44 | oil | those 3 are AnOutsider |
| 01:03.47 | AnOutsider | :-D |
| 01:03.57 | oil | those 3 commits are where every single bug anyone has ever ran into comes from |
| 01:04.02 | oil | xD |
| 01:04.03 | AnOutsider | hahaha |
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| 01:17.24 | Smubeht2 | wow streaming in the nfl app is actually pretty good |
| 01:17.47 | bhuey | never used it |
| 01:17.58 | bhuey | the new IRC app is actually pretty good |
| 01:18.03 | bhuey | surprising actually |
| 01:18.25 | bhuey | not sure how they did it |
| 01:19.35 | zsoc | you could ask them in #wirc. or just look at the source code |
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| 01:19.47 | AnOutsider | also the service |
| 01:20.21 | oil | bhuey: magic |
| 01:20.51 | bhuey | if I had to guess, it looks like they use irssi as a backend |
| 01:21.07 | zsoc | oil: automagic. |
| 01:21.54 | jauderho | Templarian: ping |
| 01:22.18 | zsoc | we need an idle rpg |
| 01:22.22 | rwhitby | bhuey: your guess would be wrong |
| 01:22.34 | bhuey | what then ? |
| 01:22.54 | rwhitby | wIRCd - source code is in git |
| 01:23.38 | bhuey | don't have time to look at it, just glad it works |
| 01:25.03 | rwhitby | bhuey: it uses http://libircclient.sourceforge.net/ behind the C service |
| 01:28.26 | oil | and that link goes to magic |
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| 01:39.50 | bhuey | rwhitby: well, what ever they use, it's working impressively well |
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| 01:40.33 | Templarian | jauderho: pong! |
| 01:41.16 | jauderho | Templarian: question: is there a way to import an existing palm app into a komodo project? |
| 01:41.35 | Templarian | yea drag and drop the files into a src folder inside of a blank project |
| 01:41.37 | sryan_wirc | do I have to uninstall all patches when a webos update comes out? |
| 01:41.56 | Templarian | New Project > save it somewhere, create a src folder and copy your old project in it. |
| 01:42.31 | Templarian | jauderho: http://webos.templarian.com/komodo/ has a how to. |
| 01:43.30 | jauderho | Templarian: doh! I didnt see that. off to rtfm. thx. |
| 01:47.03 | Templarian | It's okay most asked question since most people are converts. |
| 01:47.45 | jauderho | Templarian: this is strange. when I click on the create new project link, it does not let me specify a path |
| 01:48.00 | jauderho | e.g. the "create project" button is grayed out |
| 01:48.12 | Templarian | You have to click the little folder icon. |
| 01:48.26 | Templarian | And it has to be a empty folder that you place it in |
| 01:48.39 | Templarian | Most use documents/com.example.app/ |
| 01:48.56 | Templarian | or documents/projects/com.example.app/ ** |
| 01:49.07 | sugardave | the folder also looks greyed out...to me, anyway |
| 01:49.14 | sugardave | it's just to the left of the create button |
| 01:49.22 | jauderho | sugardave: I was going to say the same thing. |
| 01:49.29 | sugardave | it works, though |
| 01:49.39 | jauderho | yeah just tested it |
| 01:49.42 | sugardave | trust your feelings, let go your conscious |
| 01:49.47 | sugardave | or something like that |
| 01:50.47 | Templarian | That's weird once I select a folder it ungrays for me. |
| 01:51.15 | sugardave | in xp, I have to click that button to get the folder selected....so it's gray when you go to click it |
| 01:51.46 | Templarian | have a screenshot... might be a bug. |
| 01:52.06 | oil_pre | rwhitby: so the fixunknown problem was a broken appinfo? |
| 01:52.20 | rwhitby | oil_pre: yep |
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| 01:52.54 | rwhitby | oil_pre: so I've just put try/catch around both calls to JSON.parse in package.js |
| 01:53.04 | rwhitby | it's in git and test feed |
| 01:53.11 | oil_pre | that fixed it? |
| 01:53.21 | rwhitby | oil_pre: yep |
| 01:53.58 | oil_pre | that's good |
| 01:54.24 | rwhitby | oil_pre: I'm adding /usr/local/bin/ipkg enable/disable now to the service |
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| 01:54.59 | oil_pre | enable/disable what? |
| 01:56.39 | jauderho | Templarian: here is a screenshot http://skitch.com/jauderho/n8j43/komodo |
| 01:57.12 | jauderho | Templarian: is there a way to reflow/reindent a file? some of the existing js files are badly indented |
| 01:58.32 | jauderho | rwhitby: btw my version issues seem to be fixed. just looking at the new gdial update right now and it correctly shows my installed version vs available ver. |
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| 02:08.00 | rwhitby | jauderho: weird - cause it shoudn't be fixed by anything I did ... |
| 02:08.21 | jauderho | rwhitby: yeah i know |
| 02:09.47 | Craftsman1234 | sorry if this has been typed about but does anyone know why the program does not reconnect after you swipt it closed |
| 02:11.34 | oil_pre | ~wirc |
| 02:11.35 | infobot | hmm... wirc is "Please use the #wirc channel for all questions, queries, statements, appreciation, abuse, bugs, requests, and anything else to do with the wIRC application and/or the wIRCd service." |
| 02:12.38 | Craftsman1234 | Ok cool did not know it was set up. |
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| 02:18.44 | Templarian | jauderho: looking at the screenshot the colour just looks faded it's not disabled. |
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| 02:20.45 | Volcom45 | Rod, you around? |
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| 02:28.51 | tmzt | Volcom45: looking for rwhitby? |
| 02:29.02 | Volcom45 | yep |
| 02:29.02 | tmzt | ah, right |
| 02:29.13 | tmzt | try pinging :) |
| 02:29.26 | Volcom45 | pinging him? |
| 02:29.26 | Volcom45 | lol |
| 02:29.57 | gkatsev | he prefers syn, syn-ack, ack. |
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| 02:30.33 | tmzt | like rwhitby: ping |
| 02:31.00 | Volcom45 | rwhitby: ping |
| 02:31.03 | Volcom45 | :) |
| 02:31.06 | oil | the main part of it, is to say his nick |
| 02:31.14 | Volcom45 | ah |
| 02:31.19 | Volcom45 | highlighting? |
| 02:31.25 | oil | most clients do |
| 02:31.31 | oil | some even make a sound |
| 02:31.41 | Volcom45 | oil |
| 02:31.44 | oil | i turned all that crap off though |
| 02:31.55 | Volcom45 | aren't you the one behind wirc? |
| 02:32.00 | oil | no |
| 02:32.03 | Volcom45 | oh ok |
| 02:32.05 | oil | lol |
| 02:32.20 | Volcom45 | know i've seen an oil developer on something i use on the forums |
| 02:32.23 | Volcom45 | :P |
| 02:32.24 | oil | im not behind it |
| 02:32.26 | oil | im infront of it |
| 02:32.29 | oil | its not some nefarious thing |
| 02:32.29 | Volcom45 | oh haha |
| 02:32.34 | Volcom45 | got ya |
| 02:32.38 | Volcom45 | well i love it |
| 02:32.39 | Volcom45 | its amazing |
| 02:32.44 | oil | thats good |
| 02:33.05 | Volcom45 | only thing i can see missing is no channel fav list |
| 02:33.13 | Volcom45 | but i just set it to auto connect to anything i want |
| 02:33.16 | oil | its on the todo list |
| 02:33.21 | Volcom45 | sweet |
| 02:33.21 | rwhitby | Volcom45: g'day |
| 02:33.26 | Volcom45 | hi Rod |
| 02:33.41 | zsoc | wonders if anyone reads the topic |
| 02:33.44 | gkatsev | rwhitby: syn |
| 02:33.47 | Volcom45 | came to try and help ya troubleshoot the fair dinkum issue in the latest package manager |
| 02:33.54 | Volcom45 | i posted you a screenshot in the forum from what you requested |
| 02:34.42 | Volcom45 | I saw another guy has the same issue as me since your latest package manager update |
| 02:35.01 | Volcom45 | wonder if the upgrading process messed something up? |
| 02:35.14 | Volcom45 | i haven't tried killing it yet with the command you said disabled it |
| 02:40.57 | rwhitby | Volcom45: unfortunately, I need to go into a meeting now, but will be back in about an hour or so |
| 02:41.09 | Volcom45 | ok |
| 02:41.23 | rwhitby | Volcom45: the whole functionality of fair-dinkum is in that one script - there is nothing else. |
| 02:41.40 | rwhitby | if you rename the script, it's disabled. rename it back, it's enabled again. |
| 02:41.46 | Volcom45 | got ya |
| 02:41.47 | Volcom45 | thanks |
| 02:41.49 | Volcom45 | will give that a try |
| 02:41.55 | Volcom45 | and let you know if things work again |
| 02:41.57 | rwhitby | I'm actually in the process of adding a preference to preware for exactly that purpose. |
| 02:42.03 | Volcom45 | cool |
| 02:42.25 | Volcom45 | I do hope to fix it though as I love how it gets rid of the 2 minute download delay |
| 02:42.52 | Volcom45 | its worked awesome for me for weeks until the Package manager update |
| 02:43.31 | rwhitby | Volcom45: do you have less than 100 MiB free in /var ? |
| 02:43.43 | Volcom45 | yes |
| 02:43.47 | Volcom45 | like 95 |
| 02:43.59 | rwhitby | Volcom45: that's the problem then - you've crossed that safety net limit |
| 02:44.08 | Volcom45 | ? |
| 02:44.13 | rwhitby | you need to use MvApp to free up more than 100 MiB in /var |
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| 02:44.16 | Volcom45 | it worked fine though before the update at the same range |
| 02:44.36 | rwhitby | fair dinkum only removes the arbitrary 64MiB used limit, not the 100MiB free safety net. |
| 02:45.05 | Volcom45 | well whats the command to see how much I have in /var right now? |
| 02:45.09 | Volcom45 | I'll double check |
| 02:45.11 | rwhitby | df /var |
| 02:45.18 | Volcom45 | k |
| 02:46.01 | Volcom45 | ya says 96876 62% /var |
| 02:46.22 | rwhitby | yep - need to be >= 100000 |
| 02:46.28 | Volcom45 | wow |
| 02:46.36 | Volcom45 | swear I've been around this range for awhile |
| 02:46.36 | rwhitby | maybe 102400 actually |
| 02:46.46 | Volcom45 | every new app, i instantly mvapp it |
| 02:47.04 | Volcom45 | guess i'll give the messaging plugins a try |
| 02:47.06 | rwhitby | Volcom45: that may be the case - some people seem to be lucky and the second limit doesn't apply for some reason. |
| 02:47.08 | Volcom45 | haven't heard either way if it works or not |
| 02:47.10 | Volcom45 | but its 13megs now |
| 02:47.26 | Volcom45 | ya, maybe my luck suddenly ran out |
| 02:47.31 | rwhitby | greg_roll said it should be fine to move |
| 02:47.37 | Volcom45 | I'll give it a shot |
| 02:48.07 | rwhitby | Volcom45: I do know that there is a going-past-the-end-of-a-string bug in 1.2.1 which sometimes causes the app manager to get screwy results from the space check |
| 02:48.19 | Volcom45 | k |
| 02:48.44 | Volcom45 | bummer mvapp won't let me move messaging |
| 02:48.57 | Volcom45 | says it has no json file and won't be moved |
| 02:49.26 | rwhitby | Volcom45: anyway, next version of Preware should have a preference, and people can turn the fair dinkum stuff on or off. |
| 02:49.37 | Volcom45 | thanks rwhitby |
| 02:49.57 | ron-wirc | anyone know what an update might do to mvapp relocated apps? |
| 02:50.48 | rwhitby | ron-wirc: nothing |
| 02:50.56 | rwhitby | updates don't touch apps in /var |
| 02:51.15 | rwhitby | OTA updates that is |
| 02:51.32 | rwhitby | for Preware updates or App catalog updates, they will just follow the symlink and update it. |
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| 02:52.49 | Volcom45 | have any of you tried linking your email? |
| 02:52.56 | Volcom45 | I see i have 35mb of email usage |
| 02:53.09 | ron-wirc | nice. thanks. |
| 02:53.13 | Volcom45 | once you link it, do all new emails go to the new media location? or does it only like archive what you currently have |
| 02:53.52 | rwhitby | Volcom45: they follow the symlink to medi |
| 02:53.53 | rwhitby | a |
| 02:54.08 | Volcom45 | nice |
| 02:54.16 | Volcom45 | maybe I should give that a try |
| 02:54.26 | Volcom45 | I'll shutup and let you go to your meeting rwhitby :P |
| 02:54.33 | Volcom45 | thx for the response |
| 02:55.02 | rwhitby | bbl |
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| 03:23.07 | freakout-work | oil: ping |
| 03:23.26 | ron-wirc | pong |
| 03:24.59 | oil | ? |
| 03:26.43 | ron-wirc | LOL, sorry. small screen. |
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| 03:40.35 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic, ping |
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| 03:49.24 | direwolf790 | so i have not heard it mentioned... did palm create the facebook app or was it someother company? |
| 03:49.24 | Abyssul | Im sure Palm did |
| 03:49.31 | direwolf790 | gotcha |
| 03:53.20 | egaudet | sorry it took so long but Virtual Keyboard now has AutoCorrect support!! (update in feeds within 15 minutes)...OK back to wIRC |
| 03:53.40 | Robi_ | sweet |
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| 03:54.59 | AMRCC | rwhitby? |
| 03:55.52 | freakout-work | Hey, Robi_ |
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| 03:58.36 | Smubeht | egaudet..autocorrect like the base autocorrect in the pre..or like autocorrect similar to that of the iphone |
| 03:58.38 | Ehsan | hey what u guys use to encode ur movies to fit on Pre screen? |
| 03:58.51 | egaudet | same autocorrect used by phys keyboard |
| 03:58.56 | egaudet | well same dict. |
| 03:59.07 | Smubeht | k gotcha |
| 03:59.18 | Volcom45 | Ehsan: I use Handbrake |
| 03:59.34 | Ehsan | does it work on mac? |
| 03:59.37 | Volcom45 | its free and has a template for iphone resolution video encoding |
| 03:59.39 | Smubeht | i had that autocorrect patch on but it made mail and other stuff so sluggish so i removed it.. |
| 03:59.42 | AMRCC | egaudet or freakout-work: rwhitby round tonite? |
| 03:59.42 | Volcom45 | which is same resolution as pre |
| 03:59.50 | Volcom45 | AMRCC: he's in a meeting |
| 04:00.32 | AMRCC | do you guys know if I can use the same bitly address as the first alpha of pw for the new alpha? |
| 04:02.03 | freakout-work | Ehsan: I use this one, it's much more simple than handbrake: http://bit.ly/1bNurX |
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| 04:02.50 | freakout-work | AMRCC: not a clue i'm afraid, but it's probably changed. they like to do that just to mess with us, rwhitby is evil like that ;) |
| 04:03.13 | Ehsan | hey Freak thanks. But I am on mac. |
| 04:03.33 | Ehsan | handbrake is bit complicated. what settings u guys use? |
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| 04:05.39 | AMRCC | ehsan: I use http://www.videora.com/en-us/Converter/palm-pre/ |
| 04:07.54 | zsoc | Anyone know where PuffTheMagic is at? |
| 04:10.19 | freakout-work | zsoc: Probably puffing the magic ;) |
| 04:11.05 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, is wirc'ing |
| 04:11.09 | egaudet | probably |
| 04:11.10 | egaudet | get it |
| 04:11.12 | egaudet | eh eh eh |
| 04:11.29 | zsoc | egaudet, that's unlikely, i don't think he wircs ever :P |
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| 04:11.35 | freakout-work | lol |
| 04:11.42 | Ehsan | thanks AMRCC |
| 04:12.11 | egaudet | :) |
| 04:13.00 | AMRCC | ehsan: it works great for me...a little flaky but all you need is dvd decrypter and follow the DVD Conversion Guide |
| 04:14.03 | zsoc | thinks cli ffmpeg is the best conversion tool for the pre... |
| 04:16.09 | freakout-work | misses doing everything by cli |
| 04:16.29 | zsoc | fine fine, use a front end if you must :P |
| 04:19.08 | egaudet | sleeps |
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| 04:34.28 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: pong? |
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| 04:37.48 | grndslm | soo... in preware... why do i have to select "Available Themes" and then "All Themes"... shouldn't it just go straight from Available to listing all of them?? |
| 04:38.39 | grndslm | if the themes aren't gonna be categorized, then it shouldn't have that extra step in there for no reason |
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| 04:46.00 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic, privmsg :) |
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| 05:07.11 | AMRCC | rwhitby: would the pretris ipk still be on the pre somewhere even after deleted it (ok+click+pick delete twice) |
| 05:07.50 | Rick_work | no |
| 05:11.24 | AMRCC | :) I was workin on my Pre all day at work as well :) |
| 05:11.31 | AMRCC | Crap...I've been lookin for pretris so I can reinstall it for ya. But I think the install procedure for this app was back when we had to e-mail it from precentral to get it on the pre...all the ipk links from the forums have been removed or are pointing at dead links. |
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| 05:22.41 | rwhitby | AMRCC: if you can get the problem to happen on the old version with PreMemo, and then fixed in the new, then that would be another good data point. |
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| 05:29.08 | AMRCC | check forum...i found one that was a bit older...can you check that one and see if it has the same prob as the one db and I had? |
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| 05:31.12 | rwhitby | yes it does |
| 05:31.16 | rwhitby | so it's a good test |
| 05:33.58 | AMRCC | rwhitby: loading package information.... |
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| 05:35.48 | AMRCC | rwhitby: complete...fixin unknown pkgs ...1...2...3...24 :) |
| 05:36.52 | AMRCC | x2 ... worked... |
| 05:38.04 | AMRCC | x3...turned off the theme feeds...still good... |
| 05:42.00 | AMRCC | x4...updatin to new vk just released with autocorrect support ::)) ...restart luna... preware still sails right thru fixin unkwn pkgs... looks like u fixed it! wtg! rwhitby |
| 05:47.36 | rwhitby | AMRCC: great |
| 05:51.34 | AMRCC | Now i can, work on my 2nd patch...turnin off the stupid Call Ended Alert... |
| 05:52.09 | oil | you mean banner |
| 05:54.14 | AMRCC | yep...you got it done already? |
| 05:56.05 | AMRCC | you think turn off the whole banner or just the sound? I'm thinkin just remove the sound. |
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| 07:52.10 | rwhitby | freakout: still no GSM Pre here ... |
| 07:52.21 | oil | sadness |
| 07:52.30 | thatdude | Joy |
| 07:52.38 | thatdude | of sadness |
| 07:53.22 | freakout | rwhitby: how many days is that now? |
| 07:53.28 | freakout | Mine was 12. |
| 07:53.50 | rwhitby | freakout: way too many, but apparently Stefan can't do an official claim/track until it's 2 weeks late |
| 07:54.10 | rwhitby | it's insured for the full amount. |
| 07:54.28 | freakout | well, there's that at least |
| 07:54.50 | freakout | But still annoying. |
| 07:56.04 | freakout | DHL's tracking page shows my Pre was delivered... yesterday. |
| 07:56.13 | oil | lol |
| 07:56.17 | freakout | I think it may be connected to a parallel universe |
| 07:57.26 | rwhitby | oil: so ipkgservice apiVersion is now up to 8, with the addition of getIpkgWrapperState and setIpgWrapperState. I'm going to add a pref for that this weekend. |
| 07:57.36 | oil | ok |
| 07:57.58 | freakout | Also, I think PIC has been blacklisted by Palm |
| 07:58.16 | rwhitby | oil: I should be able to work out what's needed from your fix unknowns pref commit |
| 07:58.17 | freakout | For the first time since... well, ever, we haven't been given a review unit. (Pixi) |
| 07:58.49 | rwhitby | freakout: must be that 1.3.1 story - only PC is allowed to run those ;-) |
| 07:58.54 | freakout | lol |
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| 07:59.19 | freakout | I figure it's either that or the Asia-Pacific Pre thing. But it's still surprising... |
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| 08:16.03 | freakout | goes out for one last round with his friends, who are all leaving him for a months-long South American holiday tomorrow |
| 08:16.22 | lingfish | HI! |
| 08:16.34 | freakout | Hi lingfish! |
| 08:16.36 | freakout | bye lingfish! |
| 08:16.41 | lingfish | heh |
| 08:17.06 | lingfish | Mine still hasn't shipped either :( |
| 08:17.18 | lingfish | eXpansys dude said hopefully the stock would be in by today |
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| 08:46.29 | Spunks3 | saweet, I'm in |
| 08:46.36 | Spunks3 | using wIRC for the first time |
| 08:47.26 | trim-pre | cool |
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| 08:47.43 | Spunks3 | any developers here? |
| 08:49.05 | oil | yes |
| 08:49.33 | Spunks3 | ah very nice oil, you've made some great apps and just the person I'd wanna see.. |
| 08:50.22 | Spunks3 | how hard would it be for you or other experienced programers to make a "mobile bartender" app? |
| 08:50.47 | oil | eh? |
| 08:50.58 | oil | isn't there already one of those? |
| 08:51.12 | Spunks3 | I've just seen beer apps... |
| 08:51.22 | Spunks3 | nothing with drink recepies |
| 08:51.25 | Adora|Pre | if there's not, it won't take much longer |
| 08:52.18 | Spunks3 | ya, I just got a job training to b a bartender and I know some drinks, but an app with tons of recepies and the option to add my own would be amazing |
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| 08:53.24 | Spunks3 | idk if thers a way to use a list online and have a type of search like preware has... I can picture it in my mind but I hav no clu how to program |
| 08:53.44 | Adora|Pre | hmm, some of the random color choices for nicks are less than ideal on the dark theme |
| 08:54.03 | Spunks3 | I'm pretty sure it would b a hit in the actual app catalog if accepted |
| 08:54.03 | oil | its random like that xD |
| 08:54.23 | oil | 004 will have the ability to make it not random, and specify your and others nick color |
| 08:54.53 | Adora|Pre | white irc is just plain weird though, so I'll deal :) |
| 08:54.56 | Spunks3 | this app rocks btw |
| 08:55.25 | oil | lol |
| 08:55.33 | oil | the changelog since 003 is massive |
| 08:55.34 | oil | http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=shortlog |
| 08:55.40 | Adora|Pre | Spunks3: indeed it does |
| 08:56.22 | Adora|Pre | I'm already itching to create a theme for it (if that's a future feature) |
| 08:56.36 | oil | its all css |
| 08:56.44 | Spunks3 | wow yes it has |
| 08:56.45 | oil | :) |
| 08:56.53 | hmagoo | dark is looking pretty good |
| 08:57.05 | Adora|Pre | more like just a txt theme |
| 08:57.40 | oil | you mean, the message colors, not the whole thing? |
| 08:57.53 | Adora|Pre | does whois show in the status window? |
| 08:58.04 | Adora|Pre | (that I closed) |
| 08:58.10 | oil | it doesn't support whois yet |
| 08:58.23 | oil | hopefully PuffTheMagic will get that in before 004 |
| 08:58.31 | Adora|Pre | oil: message color and layout |
| 08:58.44 | Adora|Pre | like oldschool mirc theming :) |
| 08:58.48 | oil | you can get back to the server status/server list by relaunching the app |
| 08:58.59 | oil | itl bring that window back up |
| 08:59.00 | rwhitby | Adora|Pre: so, we just need to get a deal like Motion Apps, and get wIRCd into the base firmware, and then wIRC could be in the app catalog, hey? ;-) |
| 08:59.11 | oil | rwhitby++ |
| 08:59.29 | lingfish | wtf |
| 08:59.39 | Adora|Pre | rwhitby: i'll be right on that! |
| 08:59.45 | oil | lol |
| 08:59.51 | lingfish | an IRC client daemon in firmware? lol |
| 08:59.59 | Adora|Pre | starts socializing the idea to mgmt |
| 09:00.27 | oil | lingfish: from my testing, it seems to hit the battery less having irc on all day then having aim connected all day |
| 09:00.31 | Spunks3 | whitby, ik I was a bit off topic but did you happn to see my ? |
| 09:00.37 | oil | but battery life is totally subjective |
| 09:00.55 | lingfish | oil: yeah... that'd be because P09 and newer aren't as chatty I'd say |
| 09:01.08 | lingfish | PING? PONG! |
| 09:01.09 | lingfish | heh |
| 09:01.11 | oil | Spunks3, are you talking about /list support? |
| 09:01.46 | oil | is actually working on that right now |
| 09:01.59 | Spunks3 | no no.. about the bartending app... I guess this isn't the place to ask tho :-P |
| 09:02.04 | oil | oh |
| 09:02.17 | oil | yeah, if someone wanted to make it, it would be super easy |
| 09:02.35 | Spunks3 | "/list" would b MINT tho |
| 09:02.42 | oil | its already in the repo |
| 09:02.44 | oil | somewhat working |
| 09:03.01 | oil | gotta add searching/sorting options still, and make tap join or something |
| 09:03.14 | Spunks3 | once again, I love that I got a pre |
| 09:05.00 | Spunks3 | well, if you get bored.. feel free to try makin that bartending app lol |
| 09:05.08 | oil | lol |
| 09:05.13 | oil | i've got somany apps on my plate right now |
| 09:05.32 | Spunks3 | I was just gunna say.. you getting bored (ha) |
| 09:05.32 | oil | xbox live friends, blocked and dotgame both in teh catalog, preware, and now wirc |
| 09:05.55 | Spunks3 | love blocked and dotgame... sold the 360 tho |
| 09:05.58 | lingfish | I've got some on the drawing board too, just don't have the damned time to start |
| 09:06.03 | oil | eventually i will pull myself away from wirc long enough to make my catalog apps work on the pixi :/ |
| 09:06.05 | lingfish | plus a patch I'm working on |
| 09:06.21 | oil | oh, i was going to makea patch too |
| 09:06.28 | oil | to let me open clock app straight to alarms |
| 09:06.33 | oil | cause i don't care about fancy gui clock |
| 09:06.37 | oil | i know what time it is |
| 09:06.39 | oil | i just want alarms |
| 09:06.39 | Spunks3 | ya, what are the thoughts on different resolutions in the dev community? |
| 09:06.58 | Spunks3 | I'd def use that patch |
| 09:07.16 | lingfish | Spunks3: well, Palm did warn devs through their stuff where they describe good coding practices |
| 09:07.25 | lingfish | Well not warn, but recommend |
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| 09:07.53 | Spunks3 | right right, is it that "simple" tho? |
| 09:07.55 | oil | its fine for list apps |
| 09:08.11 | oil | but games that use all that realestate its a stretch |
| 09:08.19 | oil | and by stretch, i mean compacting |
| 09:08.27 | Spunks3 | specially something like blocked |
| 09:08.40 | oil | i should be able to make it fit xD |
| 09:08.59 | Spunks3 | saweet, the gf is thnkn about getn pixi |
| 09:09.04 | Spunks3 | lovesssssssss blockd |
| 09:09.49 | oil | not by launch of pixi though |
| 09:09.53 | oil | that boat already sailed without me |
| 09:10.16 | Spunks3 | so if I have absolutely no programming expirience.. what are the chances of making that bar app? |
| 09:10.34 | Spunks3 | ya, you guys are busy as hell making life easier for us |
| 09:10.46 | oil | absolutely 0 programming experience |
| 09:10.56 | oil | you're going to have a hard time |
| 09:11.13 | Spunks3 | had help making a winMo app once but it was almost 3yrs ago |
| 09:11.19 | Spunks3 | lol, ya I figured |
| 09:11.48 | rwhitby | has 0 mobile app programming experience ;-) |
| 09:12.16 | lingfish | .. it shows |
| 09:12.17 | lingfish | ;) |
| 09:12.50 | Spunks3 | lol, ya 0 type of programming here.. sh!t, I can't evn program my universal remote |
| 09:13.39 | Azalyn | do you absolutely have to add number to your contacts to send a text? |
| 09:13.42 | rwhitby | does, however, have 20 years of non-mobile programming experience ;-) |
| 09:14.07 | Spunks3 | makes sense |
| 09:15.33 | rwhitby | oil: so there you go - at least one Palm employee using wIRC ... ;-) |
| 09:15.46 | oil | lol |
| 09:15.56 | oil | that makes it all worth it xD |
| 09:16.00 | lingfish | who, Spunks3 ? |
| 09:16.03 | rwhitby | Adora|Pre: we were trying to work out how we could detect who the first Palm employee using wIRC was ... |
| 09:16.06 | oil | Adora|Pre |
| 09:16.07 | Spunks3 | notttt me |
| 09:16.21 | Spunks3 | lol |
| 09:16.25 | Adora|Pre | I don't know of anyone else |
| 09:16.29 | lingfish | ah |
| 09:16.41 | oil | idk, some engineers are supposedly looking at the code |
| 09:16.41 | rwhitby | Adora|Pre: we'll officially call you the first then. |
| 09:16.58 | Spunks3 | oil and whitby should b on the payroll |
| 09:17.00 | lingfish | Adora|Pre: pass it up through management -- Asia Pac, specifically Australia, are really pissed you guys aren't spoiling us... yet. |
| 09:17.02 | oil | cause i reported a bug in 131, and linked them to wirc/wircd repos so they could reproduce it |
| 09:17.05 | Adora|Pre | but i'll prob make up for palm's shortcomings |
| 09:17.08 | rwhitby | oil: new tagline: "By appointment to Adora" |
| 09:17.14 | Adora|Pre | Adora|Pre1 |
| 09:17.23 | Adora|Pre | Adora|Pre2 |
| 09:17.31 | Adora|Pre | Adora|Pixi |
| 09:17.34 | Spunks3 | lol |
| 09:17.35 | Adora|Pre | :) |
| 09:17.40 | oil | lol |
| 09:18.17 | rwhitby | Adora|Pre: anyone at Palm spotted the Preware tagline we put in just for you guys to read? |
| 09:18.18 | lingfish | heh, just like the rest of Palm, he's ignoring me :P |
| 09:18.35 | Adora|Pre | rwhitby: by appointment? wassat mean? |
| 09:18.45 | rwhitby | Adora|Pre: like the Queen |
| 09:18.55 | oil | i still think "Now you can IRC from the crapper" is the best wIRC tagline sofar |
| 09:19.01 | oil | especially after i brought it up |
| 09:19.03 | rwhitby | is still a servant of the Queen of Australia, don't forget ... |
| 09:19.24 | Spunks3 | oil: don't mind if I do |
| 09:19.28 | oil | lol |
| 09:19.32 | Adora|Pre | <-- american, doesn't understand your strange royal customs |
| 09:19.52 | lingfish | Adora|Pre: I'll take that as a no ;) |
| 09:19.53 | Adora|Pre | CRAP PHONE CHARGE UR PLUGGED IN |
| 09:20.21 | Adora|Pre | dammit, maybe brb |
| 09:20.31 | oil | lol |
| 09:20.34 | oil | is hittin the sack |
| 09:20.43 | oc80z | whats good |
| 09:20.44 | lingfish | I don't even have my Pre yet and know that I'll need a second charger :( |
| 09:20.52 | oc80z | why do you need a secnd charger? |
| 09:20.53 | lingfish | it blows that the Touchstone doesn't come with another one |
| 09:20.57 | oil | lots of time to waste at work i can get home to wirc |
| 09:21.00 | rwhitby | has two toucstones, and no Pre that works as a phone yet |
| 09:21.01 | oc80z | two touchstones? |
| 09:21.17 | lingfish | oc80z: I'll need one at nights at home to charge up, and another at work for sure |
| 09:21.21 | lingfish | considering how crap the batt life is |
| 09:21.29 | rwhitby | lingfish: I'm expecting one in the car too ... |
| 09:21.30 | oc80z | the batt life is crap? |
| 09:21.32 | oc80z | thats news to me. |
| 09:21.48 | oc80z | what are you doing that destroys your batt? |
| 09:21.54 | lingfish | Er... I've read it only about 1000 times on the net |
| 09:22.02 | oc80z | oh you read things on the net.. |
| 09:22.04 | oc80z | how old were they? |
| 09:22.04 | lingfish | Daily charge, 11 hours tops etc |
| 09:22.19 | oc80z | what OS were they talking about... 1.0? heh. |
| 09:22.24 | oc80z | we're about to hit 1.3 |
| 09:22.27 | lingfish | um, material from good sites I'm talking about |
| 09:22.34 | rwhitby | oc80z: my CDMA Pre, which is not even acting as a phone, has worse battery life than my Treo 650 ... |
| 09:22.35 | oc80z | yeah, how old were teh threads... |
| 09:22.49 | oc80z | did you force it, roam only? |
| 09:22.52 | oc80z | or , automatic? |
| 09:23.09 | lingfish | oc80z: I don't have one... as I said above.. |
| 09:23.14 | Spunks3 | I do have to say... Sprints service is the worst I've had in yrs using my pre :( |
| 09:23.15 | rwhitby | oc80z: no CDMA in .au |
| 09:23.30 | oc80z | rw: you should shut off data. |
| 09:23.39 | lingfish | oc80z: You must be the only person I've heard say that it's good. |
| 09:23.42 | oc80z | and it will last you over a day. |
| 09:24.05 | Spunks3 | I use data alllll day, that's why I got the pre |
| 09:24.19 | lingfish | Spunks3: exactly... and that's why I'd want 2 chargers. |
| 09:24.28 | lingfish | I just know I'm going to hammer data. |
| 09:24.37 | oc80z | ...hammer data |
| 09:24.51 | lingfish | That's what I said. |
| 09:24.52 | Spunks3 | I have one on my desk & 1 in the car... it usually lasts pretty well |
| 09:24.55 | oc80z | ok w/e u say |
| 09:24.56 | lingfish | Or, typed. |
| 09:25.13 | oc80z | whatever you are reading, it is out dated. |
| 09:25.18 | lingfish | Spunks3: my issue is where to order another one from... being trapped in .au and all |
| 09:25.26 | Spunks3 | even wakes me up the morning after a night downtown |
| 09:25.52 | Spunks3 | owch, thers no way to get 1!? |
| 09:26.08 | Spunks3 | or is it a diff outlet type of thing? |
| 09:26.17 | lingfish | Spunks3: well yeah... ebay and stuff... not interested in grey |
| 09:27.05 | lingfish | not outlet thing... just somewhere rep that will sell it I guess |
| 09:27.08 | Spunks3 | well, in time. in time |
| 09:27.10 | lingfish | I'm importing a Pre from eXpansys... |
| 09:27.17 | hmagoo | is oz still not free? ;) |
| 09:27.22 | lingfish | They have the Pre, TS's... but no batts or chargers |
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| 09:28.12 | rwhitby | Spunks3: no CDMA in .au, and only unlocked GSM Pre is qwertz. Lucky we have the meta-doctor. |
| 09:28.12 | hmagoo | so I lost the little battery door. |
| 09:28.21 | Spunks3 | I feel like you guys in .au get screwed for everything.. from video games to phone dammit |
| 09:28.37 | rwhitby | Spunks3: it's the price you pay for living in the best country on earth. |
| 09:28.39 | oc80z | rw u shut off data right..? |
| 09:28.43 | lingfish | Spunks3: amen .... so bloody true. Embarassing at times to live here. |
| 09:28.48 | rwhitby | oc80z: data over wifi |
| 09:28.52 | lingfish | rwhitby: man, you MUST be kidding :P |
| 09:29.02 | oc80z | mm... but the other radio, ppp0? |
| 09:29.14 | rwhitby | lingfish: I've lived in the bay area. I know what I'm talking about :-) |
| 09:29.21 | Spunks3 | hell at least by the time you get things, theyr almost perfected lol |
| 09:29.48 | Spunks3 | rwhitby: pixi lovr? |
| 09:30.10 | rwhitby | Spunks3: pixi no good here - no unlimited data plans, so you really need wifi |
| 09:30.24 | lingfish | rwhitby: I wasn't talking the US. I'd sooner slash my neck, no offence Americans ;) |
| 09:30.24 | Spunks3 | blast |
| 09:30.30 | lingfish | Europe baby! |
| 09:30.44 | Spunks3 | none taken.. ;) |
| 09:30.45 | rwhitby | lingfish: close second. |
| 09:30.49 | oc80z | theres nothing wrong with america |
| 09:31.03 | Spunks3 | except we're all over weight |
| 09:31.09 | Spunks3 | but that's another story |
| 09:31.25 | hmagoo | the news says we're the best |
| 09:31.38 | oc80z | ... |
| 09:31.40 | oc80z | sum it up |
| 09:31.44 | Spunks3 | lol |
| 09:31.46 | oc80z | why is europe or australia better |
| 09:32.11 | rwhitby | oc80z: the news doesn't say we're the best ;-) |
| 09:32.13 | Spunks3 | never been but always wanted to go.. not a fan of planes |
| 09:32.19 | Azalyn | hm, wirc looks pretty cool |
| 09:32.31 | oc80z | ive been all over, w/e |
| 09:32.38 | Azalyn | is there any specific place to donate for this? |
| 09:32.54 | lingfish | Australia is good for about... 2 weeks. Then its boring. |
| 09:32.55 | rwhitby | points to oil |
| 09:32.55 | lingfish | heh. |
| 09:33.11 | hmagoo | rwhitby: was thinking the same thing |
| 09:33.51 | oc80z | usa #1 |
| 09:34.35 | Spunks3 | well, 5am is coming early here... |
| 09:34.57 | Spunks3 | great work on wIRC.. can't wait for the hefty update |
| 09:35.09 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 09:35.12 | Spunks3 | seeyall |
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| 09:35.41 | oc80z | id rather be fat than have the average iq of an australian :P |
| 09:36.01 | lingfish | lol |
| 09:36.08 | trim-pre | got my google wave invite today...anyone know what cool things to do with it |
| 09:36.14 | lingfish | says you, with your driveby shootings, your stupid wars and presidents |
| 09:36.15 | lingfish | hahaha |
| 09:36.28 | oc80z | yeah, we elected bush, 3x |
| 09:36.40 | lingfish | Yeah that was a quality choice eh |
| 09:37.04 | oc80z | uh |
| 09:37.12 | lingfish | (sarcasm) |
| 09:37.22 | oc80z | i blame everything on that administration |
| 09:38.06 | hmagoo | you mean DC and california are in the same country? hmmm.. |
| 09:38.48 | oc80z | trim: delete it |
| 09:39.26 | oc80z | anyways, u want to talk politics |
| 09:39.44 | oc80z | or how the palm pre cant play my dvd/tv rips |
| 09:40.16 | hmagoo | I used handbrake to convert |
| 09:41.14 | oc80z | ..heh |
| 09:41.39 | oc80z | im waiting for teh pre to play smbmounted avi |
| 09:42.20 | oc80z | the 3g is faster than most DSL modems. |
| 09:42.42 | oc80z | speaking of pre, i just met a chairman the other day |
| 09:42.56 | oc80z | (ex-chair) |
| 09:43.50 | hmagoo | dsl is 1mbit avg these days I would think. |
| 09:44.06 | oc80z | he was pissed about editing a contacts #, and not having the chance to 'undo' , and having it update to the cloud heh. |
| 09:44.12 | hmagoo | I pay 20/month for that |
| 09:45.38 | oc80z | i hope the pre will play call of duty |
| 09:45.46 | hmagoo | when is the led flicker when the screen shuts off going to be killed.. |
| 09:45.58 | hmagoo | its ugly |
| 09:46.13 | oc80z | the way?? |
| 09:46.14 | oc80z | the wot? |
| 09:46.33 | hmagoo | the center button |
| 09:46.59 | oc80z | i cant tell |
| 09:47.16 | oc80z | what you mean |
| 09:47.44 | hmagoo | let the screen shut off by itself and the center button flashes |
| 09:52.50 | oc80z | ... |
| 09:53.58 | oc80z | i was hopping on a better task adder, quicktask in the quickinstall.jar is nice. |
| 09:54.16 | oc80z | u really want that fixed hma? |
| 09:54.38 | oc80z | gimmie $5 ill write the patch for you. |
| 09:54.41 | oc80z | heh |
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| 10:02.18 | hmagoo | doesn't gdial pro check for notifications if you set it up for that and close the app? (background) |
| 10:03.42 | hmagoo | oh nevermind, it is 5 minutes or greater when closed |
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| 10:04.36 | robbskittles | anyone on right now? |
| 10:05.31 | robbskittles | I know it's early... |
| 10:05.36 | hmagoo | yes |
| 10:06.09 | robbskittles | hey... |
| 10:07.20 | robbskittles | wish I had puter infront of me. Need to make some changes to my pre. |
| 10:08.44 | robbskittles | the cmd patch doesn't have the current changes on preware. |
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| 10:09.37 | robbskittles | s.o.l. |
| 10:10.05 | hmagoo | you mean the universal search thing? |
| 10:10.29 | robbskittles | well hey, be easy... I'm out |
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| 10:24.30 | oc80z | i made a script to auto add teh universal search |
| 10:24.58 | oc80z | http://pastebin.ca/1669721 |
| 10:25.00 | oc80z | enjoy, bbl. |
| 10:31.42 | hmagoo | call me silly but how do you disable parts/joins in wIRC? |
| 10:33.35 | rwhitby | hmagoo: I've already requested that - there's going to be a pref |
| 10:34.28 | hmagoo | cool. wasn't sure there was a server option or something, thanks |
| 10:35.09 | hmagoo | it's so important on the mobile screen. |
| 10:38.10 | e-cyber | hey hmagoo just thanked you for "jump one word at a time" |
| 10:38.45 | e-cyber | guess I can do it in person, lol... thanks you rock... |
| 10:39.43 | hmagoo | what did I do ? |
| 10:39.47 | e-cyber | let you get back to business now... take it ez oit there |
| 10:42.41 | e-cyber | thanking you for the patch you did... |
| 10:45.12 | hmagoo | appreciate the thanks, but I have never done a patch, but if I see who did that patch I will thank them for you |
| 10:46.23 | hmagoo | I mean if you have pics of me doing the patch I would believe you... :) |
| 10:47.21 | e-cyber | lol... sorry about that, got it off of preware believe it said you were the author... |
| 10:48.18 | e-cyber | well whoever made "Jump One Word At A Time" thanks, lol |
| 10:48.27 | hmagoo | cool, I will check it out. no apologies necessary |
| 10:48.56 | hmagoo | hrmm tab complete bug when trying to use apostrophe? in wIRC |
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| 10:50.06 | slam_ | rwhitby: you around? |
| 10:50.42 | rwhitby | grndslm: yep |
| 10:51.08 | hmagoo | haha, yeah says I maintain that patch... |
| 10:51.56 | hmagoo | am I an Easter egg? heh |
| 10:52.23 | grndslm | rwhitby: was wondering if i could give my two pence about preware: (1) would like to be able to start searching from the list of everything before actually tapping the list of everything (2) wouldn't have to tap "Available themes" AND "All themes", just the first one; All themes should not be an option... categories with Misc at the end should be the only option if there needs to be that extra level |
| 10:52.35 | grndslm | that just wasn't irc friendly, now was it? |
| 10:53.30 | lingfish | agree with (1) |
| 10:53.40 | e-cyber | ...see, lol, I wasn't lying, lol. well unthank you. and yeah you should try it out, its get, especially since the pre has no spell check yet.. |
| 10:53.51 | lingfish | Nah I think it was fine :) Rod's a great guy and I doubt will be offended |
| 10:53.56 | lingfish | Constructive criticism is good :) |
| 10:54.09 | hmagoo | yeah familiar with that patch for a while |
| 10:55.52 | hmagoo | I think I have discussed it but surely didn't make the patch. sounds like fritos to me... maybe, don't remember |
| 10:58.25 | rwhitby | grndslm: 1) agreed, 2) we expect themes to have categories at some stage |
| 10:59.08 | grndslm | until that stage, tho... that second level of selecting "all available themes" is just bunk |
| 10:59.20 | rwhitby | grndslm: yep. patches welcome. |
| 10:59.35 | grndslm | mmm... maybe next year |
| 10:59.39 | grndslm | :D |
| 10:59.47 | rwhitby | it's low down the list compared to just getting stuff working properly :-) |
| 10:59.54 | grndslm | oh, i'm with you |
| 11:00.03 | grndslm | but i definitely like #1 myself |
| 11:00.52 | rwhitby | yep, I'm sure many of the webos experts around here could contribute a patch for #1 ... - no knowledge of ipkgservice required. |
| 11:02.26 | lingfish | I'd take it, but I alreayd have a bit and I'm being horridly slow in even finishing that :/ |
| 11:08.31 | hmagoo | nick completw weirdness |
| 11:08.55 | hmagoo | I did do something on that patch's page on webos-internals |
| 11:09.05 | grndslm | so what's the easiest way to start developing on webos?? |
| 11:09.12 | grndslm | just pick up the sdk? |
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| 11:10.31 | lingfish | grndslm: yep, definately... get the emu |
| 11:10.42 | lingfish | then read Palm's dev site doco... its actually VERY good |
| 11:10.47 | lingfish | I've seen a lot of bad stuff |
| 11:10.57 | grndslm | the emu comes with the sdk? |
| 11:11.02 | lingfish | It's annoying incomplete for guys like rwhitby and I... but still excellent |
| 11:11.21 | lingfish | Well yeah... there's no actual SDK per se... as the env is javascript |
| 11:11.34 | grndslm | true |
| 11:11.43 | lingfish | But its in a simple bundle in the form of a VirtualBox image |
| 11:11.53 | grndslm | never even looked at javascript before, but never a better time to start than now |
| 11:11.59 | lingfish | and if you spend a little time getting to know the Eclipse suite, even better |
| 11:12.17 | grndslm | webOS is definitely an interesting concept for me in that it's just too damn simple |
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| 11:13.30 | lingfish | Get into it then.. as it really is, seriously. |
| 11:13.52 | lingfish | Some stuff we do here is a tad more hardcore (patching the phone itself, etc)... but still, that shouldn't be daunting. |
| 11:14.45 | grndslm | i haven't taken my programming classes in a long time, but i can always pick up some javascript, css, html books |
| 11:14.53 | grndslm | i've been putting off web development for far too long |
| 11:15.27 | lingfish | Get on it I say... nothing more brilliant than the cold hard logic of a programming language :) |
| 11:15.39 | lingfish | Learn OO, and you're mostly there. |
| 11:15.47 | lingfish | The rest is just how to speak the language. |
| 11:16.09 | grndslm | yup... english is played out. ;) |
| 11:16.50 | lingfish | Well, see, a lot of smart people would call English one of the hardest programming languages to learn ;) |
| 11:16.55 | lingfish | such a terrible lang |
| 11:17.24 | grndslm | but it is beautiful |
| 11:17.45 | grndslm | better than saying "he go to store yesterday" in some asian language |
| 11:18.10 | lingfish | I'm biased. I have German heritage ;) |
| 11:18.26 | lingfish | A lot of European langs are incredibly rich and graceful |
| 11:18.57 | grndslm | but the Zs... and the "eichts"... they're everywhere |
| 11:19.21 | lingfish | And it all makes sense once you understand it, just like a good programming language ;) |
| 11:19.28 | lingfish | (ie. not javascript lol) |
| 11:19.47 | grndslm | yup, i definitely need to pick up some books soon |
| 11:20.32 | lingfish | And hey, if you cook something good up, you can sell it :) At no loss to yourself. |
| 11:20.38 | lingfish | Win win, heh. |
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| 11:21.04 | lingfish | (god.... I'm like a fucking webos-internals recruiter or something) |
| 11:22.30 | grndslm | i'm positive that won't happen, but getting started on simple things like my suggestion #1 up there would be nice |
| 11:22.49 | grndslm | i just want to start reading, so i can write a bit |
| 11:23.18 | grndslm | don't wanna design any financial models or marketing plans from this ;) |
| 11:23.43 | lingfish | Nah all good |
| 11:23.55 | lingfish | The (1) above really wouldn't be that hard, TBH |
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| 11:24.34 | grndslm | i know... i might be able to do it now once i get the emu, but i prolly won't even start looking until tomorrow |
| 11:25.08 | lingfish | Where are you from? Don't have a real Pre? |
| 11:25.42 | grndslm | mississippi, and yes i do... i'm too busy getting acquainted with her |
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| 11:27.01 | lingfish | I'm jealous! I don't, and almost can't... and yet would LOVE to see my stuff come alive on one |
| 11:28.04 | grndslm | it's pretty nuts that most of the devs don't even have one, or haven't gotten one until the past month or so |
| 11:28.16 | lingfish | Indeed. |
| 11:28.21 | grndslm | but it does make sense |
| 11:28.34 | lingfish | THough I'm certainly NOT jealous of you having to use CDMA, heh. |
| 11:28.38 | grndslm | i just bought mine because of all the things that have happened in the past month |
| 11:28.49 | grndslm | CDMA is actually way better than GSM here |
| 11:29.03 | lingfish | You're the first American to ever tell me that. |
| 11:29.09 | grndslm | i can travel all over the Southeast US and get about 1 or 2 dropped calls in a year |
| 11:29.49 | grndslm | Well, I come from a Treo 755p. It had amazing reception, no matter where I went. I was pulling EVDO in my grandfather's hick town of 3,000 people, when no other phone/carrier would work for voice, even |
| 11:30.06 | lingfish | heh |
| 11:30.08 | grndslm | even with other phones tho, CDMA is better than GSM. Perfect clarity |
| 11:30.32 | grndslm | and verizon/sprint can roam on each other's voice networks for free, so it's really not bad at all |
| 11:31.14 | grndslm | i have no complaints with sprint, except for their lack of promoting phones, especially the Pre after they paid all that money for exclusivity |
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| 11:34.33 | lingfish | I had always heard call quality and drops were horrid. |
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| 11:34.37 | lingfish | Fair enough then :0 |
| 11:34.52 | lingfish | In .au we dropped it quicksmart... and only one of the three carriers bothered with it |
| 11:35.37 | lingfish | But that could be a population density thing. |
| 11:35.47 | lingfish | Because CDMA is utterly shit at distances. |
| 11:36.22 | grndslm | it is with a poor phone, but i'd rather have crystal clear calls all the time than just barely hear some static when talking to someone on AT+T or Tmobile |
| 11:36.49 | lingfish | Well I wouldn't know... as far as I know, in .au we generally have excellent call quality. |
| 11:36.54 | lingfish | I'm personally with Voda and love it |
| 11:37.05 | grndslm | yea, i haven't had a dropped call in over a year now |
| 11:37.12 | grndslm | and i definitely get around |
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| 11:37.56 | lingfish | Perhaps your carrier has far more towers than what Telstra here were willing to put up. |
| 11:40.01 | grndslm | probably. i dunno why america's the only real proponent of cdma. oh well, everybody will be cdma when lte comes around... w-cdma that is |
| 11:40.26 | lingfish | Again, you're the first I've ever talked to that likes CDMA. Odd. |
| 11:40.54 | grndslm | *loves |
| 11:42.12 | lingfish | heh |
| 11:42.13 | lingfish | :) |
| 11:42.14 | grndslm | damn... ubuntu repos only has virtualbox 2.0.4, and looks like the source is requiring some dependencies that i don't have :( |
| 11:42.43 | lingfish | yeah I do hate that about trying to use a host on a nix box |
| 11:43.07 | lingfish | I'm running it on my doze box, mostly because its heaps more powerful than my main Linux (ugh) server |
| 11:44.30 | grndslm | yea, linux is a bitch to set some things up, but it always seems to keep on ticking once it's configured properly |
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| 11:59.42 | grndslm | mmm... night all |
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| 14:16.02 | nt4cats | I assume that the user 'yokken' is a married woman (yokken [n=yokken@x-146-57-80-86.mrs.umn.edu] has quit IRC:). It is strange that they segregate their users like that ... |
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| 14:18.09 | nt4cats | wonders what the subdomain for married men is ... |
| 14:18.16 | nt4cats | .whipped. |
| 14:18.34 | nt4cats | .yesdear. |
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| 14:22.15 | Rick_work | nt4cats husband.umn.edu |
| 14:22.20 | Rick_work | :-) |
| 14:22.28 | dBsooner-work | Random question: anyone know the best way to whipe a hard drive clean without "damaging" it? |
| 14:22.43 | nt4cats | dbsooner: what does 'damaging' mean? |
| 14:22.45 | Rick_work | how clean? |
| 14:23.14 | dBsooner-work | I got my new hard drive last night and have to send the one with bad sectors back to Seagate to complete the RMA. |
| 14:23.28 | Rick_work | ahhhh |
| 14:23.28 | dBsooner-work | I don't want them to be able to recover any of the bits... I have already formatted it.. |
| 14:24.41 | Rick_work | http://download.cnet.com/Eraser/3000-2092_4-10231814.html |
| 14:25.04 | nt4cats | dbsooner: what OS are you running on the box easiest to hook this disk up to? |
| 14:25.38 | Rick_work | although, as cheap as hard disks have become, our standard of late has been to simplly ignore warranties and put a center punch through the disk, shattering it in a gazillion pieces inside the case before tossing it in the trash |
| 14:26.27 | Rick_work | but the, we sell accounting software and our disks typically have payroll and accounting details for dozens or hundreds of companies on them. |
| 14:26.47 | dBsooner-work | yeah.. but with Christmas so close, it was either 90-100 for a new 500GB drive + 2 day shipping (I needed it quick).. or 20 bucks for 2 day advanced RMA. |
| 14:27.15 | dBsooner-work | nt4cats: I have windows xp, linux, windows 7 |
| 14:27.15 | Rick_work | eraser then. |
| 14:27.25 | dBsooner-work | eraser = free? |
| 14:27.26 | dBsooner-work | :D |
| 14:28.17 | Rick_work | dBsooner-work -- the link I sent you |
| 14:28.21 | Rick_work | really actually free |
| 14:28.52 | Rick_work | will do anything from a 1 pass random overwrite to a 7 pass. Although, unless it's the NSA, there is no POINT in doing anything more than a single-pass |
| 14:28.54 | nt4cats | dbsooner: rick's recommend is winderz |
| 14:29.46 | Rick_work | you have to have atomic force microscopes, and weeks to months to get anything off a modern 500 gig drive that's been overwritten with 1 random pass. |
| 14:30.49 | nt4cats | doubts that someone wants to see dbsooner's selfpic's and checking account balances that badly |
| 14:30.56 | Rick_work | point |
| 14:31.07 | Rick_work | which is why one random pass - 5 minutes, is sufficient |
| 14:32.10 | Rick_work | recovery of overwritten data depends on reading the edges of the bands, based on head-slop. The newer heads are _so_ tiny and _so_ sensitive that they're ALREADY approaching the edges of the ability to define a magnetic domain. |
| 14:32.21 | nt4cats | If you want to use Linux, here is a link ... http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/135944 |
| 14:32.32 | Rick_work | So the amount of slop, which was considerable when drives were 20 meg, has gone away. |
| 14:33.46 | dBsooner-work | LOL.. nt4cats point I have is, I would rather not worry about it. |
| 14:34.03 | dBsooner-work | And there is alot more than just my checking account balances on there. ;) |
| 14:34.09 | nt4cats | If you want to be hard-core and do a 6-pass random overwrite followed by a "fill with zeroes" http://www.fsckin.com/2008/01/09/using-shred-to-wipe-hard-drives-dod-uses-it-you-should-too/ |
| 14:34.22 | nt4cats | dbsooner: I mentioned the selfpic's |
| 14:34.27 | dBsooner-work | lol |
| 14:34.44 | Rick_work | ok, off to work. bbl |
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| 15:02.27 | sryan_wirc | hi |
| 15:03.20 | dBsooner-work | hello |
| 15:04.40 | sryan_wirc | what patches do I have to uninstall before the webos update, do you know? |
| 15:05.03 | nt4cats | syran: I recommend you unstall all of your patches |
| 15:05.28 | nt4cats | syran: some people have upgraded webos with patches in-place and reported no problems ... |
| 15:06.02 | nt4cats | syran: ... other people have effectively or literally 'bricked' their phones (requiring resetting to factory default state) |
| 15:06.27 | nt4cats | syran: so, in the interest of safety you should remove all of your patches and themes before you upgrade WebOS |
| 15:07.38 | nt4cats | syran: If you don't want to go into PreWare and select each patch one-by-one and hit the 'uninstall' button, there is an "Emergency Patch Removal" tool that will uninstall all of your patches in one fell swoop |
| 15:10.25 | sryan_wirc | ok thanks for all your help nt4cats, emergency patch removal is something run from my computer or installed with preware? |
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| 15:11.03 | xorg | yo all... |
| 15:11.35 | nt4cats | sryan: two things -- one, sorry for mis-reading your nick as 'syran' ... two, EPR is an application that you can 'install' via PreWare. When you 'install' it -- it removes all of your patches and then uninstalls itself. |
| 15:11.42 | xorg | what would it take to make a shell script a 'service' for javascript to call.. can i simply put a c compiled wrapper that calls it? |
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| 15:14.59 | nt4cats | sryan: run PreWare, select "list of everything", search for the word "emergency" -- that'll find the tool for you |
| 15:15.53 | sryan_wirc | ok got it :) thanks |
| 15:18.48 | sryan_wirc | I guess I should write down all the patches I have, run that, update webos (1.3.1), then reinstall all patches, correct? Or is there something that remembers patches/themes |
| 15:21.21 | nt4cats | sryan: there is not yet anything that remembers patches/themes |
| 15:21.39 | nt4cats | sryan: ... and I just looked at the notes for EPR -- you need to manually remove themes first. |
| 15:22.15 | nt4cats | (themes are a PITA -- still too risky for my tastes) |
| 15:23.10 | nt4cats | If all a theme does is replace images, that's 'safe'. The themes that touch the CSS and .js on the phone are just conflicts and problems waiting to happen IMHO |
| 15:24.35 | nt4cats | sryan: if you're lazy and don't want to write down your patches you could just screenshot the 'installed -> patches' list in PreWare |
| 15:25.07 | dBsooner-work | ipkg -o /var list_installed | grep "patches" > patches.txt |
| 15:25.34 | nt4cats | dbsooner: there you go getting all practical and problem-solvy again |
| 15:26.04 | dBsooner-work | You MUST uninstall all Patches either beforre upgrading OR do it immediately after .. Use EPR in both situations. |
| 15:26.40 | nt4cats | I'm surprised that doing it after is an option (but I see that in the EPR docs, so I'm not disagreeing) |
| 15:26.58 | dBsooner-work | Yep, it works just fine doing it IMMEDIATELY after |
| 15:27.17 | nt4cats | I'll feel safer doing it beforehand -- that's my plan |
| 15:27.25 | dBsooner-work | yep, safer before |
| 15:35.58 | egaudet_wirc | doesnt matter |
| 15:36.01 | egaudet_wirc | checkd md5 so after works. just dont edit files on update before epr |
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| 15:38.10 | nt4cats | quick survey: how many of you folks use/kept the wired headset that came with your Pre (I got mine from the Sprint store, don't know if packages from other retailers were the same)? I recently read a Pixi article where the author said (paraphrased) ".. and it doesn't come with the same wired Pre headset that most of us threw away." That surprised me because I *like* that free Pre headset .... |
| 15:38.42 | oil | uses it |
| 15:41.06 | nt4cats | oil: I guess it's just you and me, then. Maybe we can get everyone else to send us theirs (so we have backups) ... |
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| 15:45.25 | oil | will stick all the magnets together |
| 15:47.14 | dBsooner-work | egaudet_wirc: I know you can do it after and have the same results. My reason for "safer before" is to prevent users from thinking they upgraded ok and don't need to run epr, or simply forget to run EPR immediately after and then alter a file/install another patch and get stuck in a non-reversible state. |
| 15:47.28 | dBsooner-work | So, my stance is safer before. |
| 15:49.19 | egaudet_wirc | the qualifier immediately is clear. and doctor means always way out |
| 15:50.22 | nt4cats | egaudet: just to make sure I understand ... let's say a patch modifies foo.js .. and webos update replaces foo.js, too. What you're saying is that EPR will notice that WebOS has replaced foo.js and it will "remove" the patch without touching foo.js? |
| 15:50.44 | nt4cats | (this is assuming that you're running EPR immediately after the WebOS update) |
| 15:51.50 | oil | "Random Number Generator, $0.99, by Erik Goddard. Easily generate up to four numbers between 1 and 10." |
| 15:51.51 | oil | OMG |
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| 15:52.00 | oil | how have i lasted this long without this app |
| 15:52.11 | mikewx | Congrats, We're now on par with the iPhone. |
| 15:52.25 | egaudet_work | dBsooner-work ping |
| 15:52.44 | oil | mikewx: no, we still don't have any awesome fart apps |
| 15:52.51 | egaudet_work | nvm |
| 15:53.19 | dBsooner-work | egaudet_work: don't do that |
| 15:53.27 | dBsooner-work | egaudet_work: At least tell me what it was. :) |
| 15:54.08 | egaudet_work | my luna (or phone) rebooted yesterday randomly while browsing in browser (pinch zooming in/out), IRC cards open etc... |
| 15:54.12 | egaudet_work | happened twice in a row |
| 15:54.19 | egaudet_work | ran EPR and stopped happening |
| 15:55.08 | dBsooner-work | hmm |
| 15:55.16 | dBsooner-work | how many patches you got? |
| 15:56.01 | dBsooner-work | i would think it would have to be something either causing a memory leak (probably not) or a browser mod. |
| 15:56.21 | dBsooner-work | no abnormal entries in the logs? |
| 15:56.57 | nt4cats | egaudet: (nothing personal) but the only app I've found that seemed to make me unstable was the virtual keyboard. I actually just reinstalled it to try out the new rev. |
| 15:57.25 | dBsooner-work | lol |
| 15:57.26 | nt4cats | egaudet: were both of your crashes in the browser? |
| 15:57.30 | egaudet_work | yea |
| 15:57.34 | dBsooner-work | "nothing personal" |
| 15:57.49 | nt4cats | isn't the virtual keyboard egaudet's work? |
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| 15:57.58 | dBsooner-work | yep |
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| 15:58.12 | dBsooner-work | so how could it not be personal.. ;) |
| 15:58.21 | dBsooner-work | no offense.. :D |
| 15:59.07 | egaudet_work | it's not personal, if it's broken it's broken and needs fixing |
| 15:59.18 | nt4cats | okay how about "I'm not trying to complain or make you feel bad because your work is awesome and you clearly labeled it as 'use at your own risk;" |
| 15:59.56 | egaudet_work | The only part of the VKB that I can think of that could effect outside of its usage is the metatap listening stuff, so it isunlikely but not impossible to be causing this issue |
| 16:00.46 | nt4cats | egaudet: if my stability is impacted by having re-installed the VKB this morning I'll gladly help you in any way you'd like to diagnose what's going on |
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| 16:03.35 | egaudet_work | let me know |
| 16:03.58 | nt4cats | can you restart the package manager service from the CL? up until now if I've wanted to do that I've just rebooted java or the phone, but I don't want to reboot right now ... |
| 16:04.13 | egaudet_work | restart java yea |
| 16:04.31 | egaudet_work | oh |
| 16:04.33 | egaudet_work | CL |
| 16:04.34 | egaudet_work | heh |
| 16:04.47 | egaudet_work | stop org.webosinternals.ipkgservice; start org.webosinternals.ipkgservice |
| 16:07.59 | oil | "egaudet_work: my luna (or phone) rebooted yesterday randomly while browsing in browser (pinch zooming in/out), IRC cards open etc... |
| 16:08.00 | oil | egaudet_work: happened twice in a row" |
| 16:08.04 | oil | ahahah |
| 16:08.07 | oil | blamed it on patches! |
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| 16:11.26 | marajin_ | my phone module locked up today |
| 16:11.36 | marajin_ | I had to actually power down and repower the phone to get it to live |
| 16:12.03 | Marajin | that was about 7 hours ago, been fine since though |
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| 16:39.39 | ilevis | hello..testing |
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| 16:45.35 | nt4cats | hello ilevis |
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| 16:47.47 | ilevis | hi |
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| 16:48.23 | ilevis | it's my first time to use IRC. don't know how to use, lol |
| 16:48.58 | Rick_work | just talk |
| 16:49.00 | Rick_work | we answer |
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| 16:49.19 | Rick_work | sometimes there will be a lag. We are doing other things too. |
| 16:49.43 | ilevis | a little bite slowly |
| 16:50.27 | Rick_work | ilevis did you have a question? |
| 16:51.00 | ilevis | no. sorry, i just tried the wIRC. |
| 16:52.20 | Robi_ | haha Wikidot.com database abandons spinning rust for Intel X-25 SSDs |
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| 16:58.32 | JoshWebb | Anyone interested in helping me remove virtual keyboard? |
| 16:59.05 | egaudet_work | EPR |
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| 17:01.40 | JoshWebb | I'm trying to remove the kbchars_fulltable.json files using novaterm, however after I remove them with a command line, they still exist on the device :( |
| 17:05.56 | egaudet_work | Why are you removing theM? What have you done so far? What state are you iN? What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 17:06.22 | Rick_work | JoshWebb why would you do tht? |
| 17:08.30 | JoshWebb | Preware doesn't recognize that I have VK installed |
| 17:08.53 | JoshWebb | when I try to install it I get errors in the log that state the files already exist |
| 17:09.10 | JoshWebb | so I attempted to get rid of the files so that the install could work |
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| 17:09.47 | JoshWebb | I would leave it alone, but I want to be able to upgrade my VK patch |
| 17:10.10 | Rick_work | Josh Emergency Patch Repair |
| 17:10.10 | egaudet_work | How did you install it before? |
| 17:10.21 | egaudet_work | what version of the VKB did you have installed? |
| 17:10.22 | JoshWebb | using quick install |
| 17:10.36 | egaudet_work | if you go into preware, installed packages -> unknown |
| 17:10.41 | egaudet_work | do you see the keyboard |
| 17:10.46 | JoshWebb | no |
| 17:10.51 | egaudet_work | are you running latest preware? |
| 17:10.54 | JoshWebb | EPR doesn't remove the VK |
| 17:10.57 | egaudet_work | does QI see the VKB? |
| 17:11.02 | JoshWebb | Yes, latest preware |
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| 17:11.22 | egaudet_work | did you do a partial or full erase, or otherwise touch ipk data/ |
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| 17:12.21 | JoshWebb | I'm not sure if QI sees the VKB, it has the config tab for it, but i don't even see VK in the QI feeds |
| 17:12.26 | trim-pre | currently homebrew nodoze allows wifi to be always on, any developer can find a way for wifi aways on, without the need for the app running? |
| 17:13.02 | JoshWebb | I tried a partial erase some time ago, and the VK remained after that |
| 17:13.16 | JoshWebb | I'm hesitant to do another erase due to data loss |
| 17:13.43 | egaudet_work | the VK remained in the sense that it works because the files are patched |
| 17:13.43 | trim-pre | josh ur looking to install VKeyboard? |
| 17:13.45 | egaudet_work | however you removed the ipk data |
| 17:13.50 | egaudet_work | when you do partial erase or full erase |
| 17:13.56 | egaudet_work | so that is why preware cannot see it anymore |
| 17:14.04 | egaudet_work | EPR and then restart luna or reboot should have removed it |
| 17:14.10 | JoshWebb | I am looking to uninstall a "hidden" version of VK so that I can reinstall it with the latest version |
| 17:14.20 | egaudet_work | I'm curious whether partial or full erase is erasing the patch control directory, I will have to test later |
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| 17:14.42 | egaudet_work | so JoshWebb, you have terminal access right? |
| 17:15.00 | egaudet_work | could you tell me the output of the following command: |
| 17:15.07 | egaudet_work | ls -l /var/usr/lib/.webosinternals.patches/ |
| 17:15.14 | JoshWebb | I've run EPR multiple times and it doesn't remove the vk patch or the patch to match state to area code in the phone |
| 17:18.55 | bougyman | trying to find the right form for android on a Pre. i know this probably isn't the place, but is there such a place? |
| 17:19.03 | bougyman | right forum, even. |
| 17:21.34 | JoshWebb | screenshot of the output of that command here: http:.//ummmerz.net/public/commandoutput1.rtf |
| 17:21.57 | JoshWebb | and yes I have terminal access |
| 17:22.02 | Rick_work | bougyman I don't think that anyone has formally started that project. |
| 17:23.39 | JoshWebb | sorry about the format, novaterm wouldn't copy and paste |
| 17:25.20 | bougyman | Rick_work: my friend got in on a treo650 figured it couldn't be long. |
| 17:25.39 | bougyman | i have a treo 755p at home I can try it with, that's what I replaced with my Pre. |
| 17:25.42 | Rick_work | bougyman it's not that it's impossible, it's that I don't know that anyone is trying. |
| 17:26.37 | egaudet_work | link doesn't work JoshWebb |
| 17:26.40 | cphelps | Rick_work: the whole point of the Pre is the software. Putting android on it doesn't make a lot of sense when there are plenty of phones that already come with android. |
| 17:27.37 | Rick_work | cphelps CHRIS !!! HI HI HI HI HI |
| 17:27.55 | JoshWebb | is there something specific that you're looking for in the output? |
| 17:27.56 | cphelps | Rick_work: yeah, not been around for awhile |
| 17:27.56 | Rick_work | haven't heard from you in a while, and yes, if I wanted an android phone I would get an HTC. |
| 17:28.21 | cphelps | Rick_work: That new Samsung looks slick too, but it's only got 1.5 on it. |
| 17:28.42 | djk1 | I'm having trouble getting ssh working again and can't find the docs that walk through the process and how to permit evdo access |
| 17:28.55 | Rick_work | THe reality is, I have an HTC sitting here at my side. I got one in the mass giveaway at the Sprint ADC conference. |
| 17:29.05 | Rick_work | and I don't care for it. |
| 17:29.09 | JoshWebb | the only thing listed that isn't a patch in the installed patch list are: backups, packages, and tmp |
| 17:29.11 | cphelps | Rick_work: Hero, or? |
| 17:29.17 | Rick_work | Hreo |
| 17:29.20 | Rick_work | Hero |
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| 17:29.36 | cphelps | Rick_work: I'd dig developing for it, but I still haven't had my killer app idea |
| 17:29.57 | cphelps | Rick_work: or even a reasonably useful app idea |
| 17:30.04 | Rick_work | I have four apps in the app approval queue at this point. |
| 17:30.21 | Rick_work | Reversi crossed 52,000 downloads this morning |
| 17:30.34 | cphelps | from the official catalog? |
| 17:30.38 | Rick_work | yep |
| 17:30.46 | cphelps | That one is still free, eh? |
| 17:30.51 | Rick_work | yep |
| 17:31.42 | haeffb-wIRC | What is minimum install to be able to winscp into Pre? |
| 17:31.49 | cphelps | I honestly haven't downloaded a single game for my Pre |
| 17:32.07 | Rick_work | haeffb-wIRC just run the next-steps script. it's very little more than minimum |
| 17:32.08 | haeffb-wIRC | Have done no 'rooting' yet... |
| 17:32.16 | egaudet_work | JoshWebb, I think we'll need Repair Utility and obsolete keyboard pacakge |
| 17:32.22 | JoshWebb | @egaudet_work the output is a jpg at http://ummmerz.net/public/patchoutput2.jpg |
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| 17:32.29 | egaudet_work | install the OBSOLETE Virtual Keyboard package from perware to remove all created keyboard files |
| 17:32.35 | JoshWebb | I have both |
| 17:32.38 | haeffb-wIRC | Cool |
| 17:32.44 | nt4cats | djk1: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Setting_up_optware_feed |
| 17:32.46 | egaudet_work | then run Repair Utility to repair palmInitFrameworks200_18.js and global.css |
| 17:33.17 | egaudet_work | and be sure never to do partia/full erase with patches installed |
| 17:33.31 | haeffb-wIRC | I recall a concern previously about space taken by optware stuff. Is that still an issue? |
| 17:33.42 | Rick_work | nope |
| 17:33.47 | Rick_work | that was a "used to be" thing |
| 17:33.56 | Rick_work | Preware made all that go away |
| 17:34.04 | Rick_work | Now, we take up all our space with apps. :-) |
| 17:34.04 | djk1 | nt4cats: thanks |
| 17:34.36 | haeffb-wIRC | Sweet |
| 17:34.50 | JoshWebb | I get an error when trying to install the obsolete vk |
| 17:35.05 | haeffb-wIRC | Thanks |
| 17:35.12 | egaudet_work | error? |
| 17:35.26 | JoshWebb | in the IPKG log: Unlock mount:mounting /dev/mapper/store-root on / failed: Invalid argument |
| 17:36.10 | egaudet_work | terminal type: |
| 17:36.13 | egaudet_work | mount -o rw,remount / |
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| 17:37.12 | JoshWebb | failed, invalid argument |
| 17:37.16 | cphelps | Rick_work: what else do you have in the queue now? |
| 17:38.35 | JoshWebb | same error as when trying to install OVK |
| 17:38.46 | egaudet_work | weird |
| 17:38.51 | egaudet_work | which mount |
| 17:39.21 | egaudet_work | type to terminal |
| 17:39.22 | egaudet_work | which mount |
| 17:39.53 | egaudet_work | failing to remount has been seen in rare cases, reboot fixes it, we haven't figured out the cause yet |
| 17:40.33 | Rick_work | cphelps Reversi update for pixi, Pegged game update for pixi, Christmas Pegged Game, SnowGlobe app (three globes, snow, music, put your fav app inside), and Simple Big Book (AA Big Book, minor edit.) |
| 17:41.02 | JoshWebb | are you getting my messages? |
| 17:41.06 | JoshWebb | Oh, there we go. |
| 17:41.18 | JoshWebb | it's the /bin/mount |
| 17:41.43 | cphelps | Rick_work: is there just a screen size mod you do to the emulator to do pixi emulation? |
| 17:42.09 | egaudet_work | reboot and try again |
| 17:42.25 | egaudet_work | (try the OBSOLETE install again) |
| 17:42.26 | Rick_work | cphelps yes. It's documented on the palm dev page. |
| 17:42.27 | JoshWebb | I'll let you know in 3 minutes! |
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| 17:43.28 | cphelps | Rick_work: I haven't been keeping up. I got a big project at work and had to leave the java/js/etc world for MFC/C++ for the last couple of months. |
| 17:43.47 | Rick_work | nodnod. I understand, really |
| 17:44.17 | cphelps | Rick_work: and like i said, no great ideas |
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| 17:47.00 | cphelps | Rick_work: I did get my fiance and parents on the Pre though, which is pretty ace. Sprint gave me 3 for $0.99 each |
| 17:47.48 | JoshWebb | egaudet, now preware tells me the obsolete keyboard is installed. |
| 17:48.37 | JoshWebb | as well as the new VK |
| 17:48.56 | JoshWebb | think I should just leave it alone, or remove it and try to reinstall it? |
| 17:49.09 | egaudet_work | try to remove the new VK |
| 17:49.24 | egaudet_work | you can remove the Obsolete one without issue |
| 17:49.39 | JoshWebb | errors removing new vk |
| 17:50.07 | JoshWebb | unreversed patch detected |
| 17:53.06 | egaudet_work | cat /var/usr/lib/.webosinternals.patches/packages |
| 17:53.12 | egaudet_work | is keyboard listed in there? |
| 17:53.15 | JoshWebb | do you think now that new VK shows up in preware that EPR would be able to remove it |
| 17:54.50 | JoshWebb | no keyboard listed there |
| 17:55.00 | egaudet_work | then EPR won't work on it |
| 17:55.23 | egaudet_work | sounds like a bug in ipkgservice, remoutn rw didn't work but it kept the package installed |
| 17:55.30 | egaudet_work | ok so type into terminal: |
| 17:55.45 | egaudet_work | ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches.add-onscreen-keyboard |
| 17:57.07 | nt4cats | I'm rockin' a fireplace on my Pre right now. My android-toting and iphone-toting friends will be so jealous |
| 17:57.45 | nt4cats | it is even warming me up a bit, nice. |
| 17:57.58 | SMKOUT333 | Android on Treo 650 :) |
| 17:58.02 | SMKOUT333 | http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/13/palm-treo-650-boots-into-android-lives-a-fulfilling-life-video/#continued |
| 17:58.23 | Robi_ | is it the Yule log ? |
| 17:58.36 | JoshWebb | that seems to have worked |
| 17:58.45 | nt4cats | Robi: yep |
| 17:59.20 | JoshWebb | the last line ws not running org.webosinternals.patches.add-onscreen-keyboard.prerm |
| 17:59.40 | egaudet_work | yea so update feeds |
| 17:59.53 | egaudet_work | and then install OBS keyboard |
| 17:59.53 | JoshWebb | and It allowed me to remove the patch, luna is restarting |
| 18:00.05 | egaudet_work | and then repair utility on those otehr 2files, and then install keyboard should work |
| 18:00.15 | egaudet_work | luna restarting? |
| 18:00.16 | egaudet_work | huh |
| 18:00.34 | JoshWebb | I went back to preware and there was a message up that said luna needs to restart |
| 18:00.34 | egaudet_work | why is luna restarting |
| 18:00.51 | egaudet_work | uhhh |
| 18:01.10 | Robi_ | bah no treo 600 |
| 18:02.09 | JoshWebb | what is it necessary to install OVK? |
| 18:03.16 | egaudet_work | ? |
| 18:03.21 | egaudet_work | what = why? |
| 18:03.30 | JoshWebb | yeah, sorry, why' |
| 18:03.32 | egaudet_work | because it removes all the created files that the patch needs to create |
| 18:03.51 | egaudet_work | OVK is just a script that removes those files |
| 18:04.03 | JoshWebb | I see. |
| 18:05.11 | JoshWebb | so I need to....install OVK, then use the repair utility to recreate a couple files, and then install VK? |
| 18:07.00 | JoshWebb | in other words, still do this step then run Repair Utility to repair palmInitFrameworks200_18.js and global.css? |
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| 18:07.45 | egaudet_work | yea |
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| 18:08.54 | JoshWebb | are both of those files found in webdoctor 1.2.1? |
| 18:10.24 | egaudet_work | yep |
| 18:10.40 | JoshWebb | ugh! can't find the right directory! |
| 18:10.48 | egaudet_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.03 | egaudet_work | and /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/200.18/stylesheets/global.css |
| 18:11.09 | JoshWebb | you are to helpful |
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| 18:13.11 | JoshWebb | I got a "file not found in WebOsDoctor" error |
| 18:13.51 | JoshWebb | for the palmInitFrameworks file |
| 18:14.04 | JoshWebb | the global.css restored successfully |
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| 18:15.06 | egaudet_work | no s sorry /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework200_18.js |
| 18:16.00 | JoshWebb | I just caught that |
| 18:16.11 | JoshWebb | success! |
| 18:16.25 | JoshWebb | now I imagine the think to do would be to remove OVK, and then install VK |
| 18:16.40 | egaudet_work | OVK is self-removing |
| 18:16.47 | JoshWebb | great |
| 18:16.56 | JoshWebb | skip that step |
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| 18:17.58 | JoshWebb | here it goes |
| 18:18.36 | JoshWebb | patch installed! |
| 18:18.49 | JoshWebb | How much do I owe you egaudet? :) |
| 18:20.21 | egaudet_work | 100 billllllion dollars |
| 18:21.06 | JoshWebb | I wish I had it for you! |
| 18:21.25 | JoshWebb | I'm glad you knew what to do, I'm indebted |
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| 18:21.53 | egaudet_work | haha (/Dr Evil) |
| 18:21.55 | gkatsev | JoshWebb: you could always become egaudet_work's indentured servent |
| 18:23.33 | JoshWebb | I guess. Hey any time you need a ginnea pig to type random codes into their device to see if it messes things up you let me know....as long as you are also willing to fix things! |
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| 18:26.24 | egaudet_work | :P godo to know |
| 18:26.28 | egaudet_work | good* |
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| 18:28.40 | JoshWebb | Thanks again, I'm off to work with my fully functional VK! You rock! |
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| 18:31.53 | egaudet_work | goes to lunch |
| 18:32.10 | gkatsev | egaudet_work: do you have a twitter? |
| 18:32.35 | egaudet_work | gkatsev, yea that I barely use: silentLaughter |
| 18:32.57 | egaudet_work | brb |
| 18:37.19 | Mousey | <begging> |
| 18:37.22 | Mousey | jabber client anyone? |
| 18:37.24 | Mousey | </begging> |
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| 18:38.35 | oilsworkn | irc > jabber |
| 18:38.49 | gkatsev | xmpp is pretty cool |
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| 18:42.10 | SMKOUT333 | http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/13/palm-treo-650-boots-into-android-lives-a-fulfilling-life-video/#continued |
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| 19:06.23 | djk1 | cool not the fast boot but interesting |
| 19:08.34 | en0x | right |
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| 19:13.36 | djk1 | Been wondering what to do with the old 700p's |
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| 19:19.43 | grndslm | that's damn cool |
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| 19:44.52 | egaudet_work | does list of everything work for everyone in Preware? |
| 19:48.08 | egaudet_work | for me preware freezes when I tap LE |
| 19:48.09 | egaudet_work | LOE* |
| 19:49.02 | oilsworkn | list of everything works here |
| 19:49.07 | oilsworkn | in 097 |
| 19:50.15 | gkatsev | yeah, works for me, though, new version of gdial pro craps out when you restart it... |
| 19:50.58 | oilsworkn | stop breaking preware egaudet |
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| 19:51.23 | xorg | loe works fine for me |
| 19:51.24 | gkatsev | but thats a different issue |
| 19:51.39 | dBsooner-work | OMG Seagate sucks! |
| 19:51.43 | renegaid | anyone know when 1.3.1 will be relased |
| 19:51.50 | dBsooner-work | never |
| 19:52.02 | gkatsev | dBsooner-work: whats wrong with seagate? |
| 19:52.09 | oilsworkn | tomorrow |
| 19:52.10 | renegaid | would it be possible to make a video player that suports xvid? |
| 19:52.37 | xorg | would love to see vlc player ported to webos, it can do most anything |
| 19:52.39 | dBsooner-work | oilsworkn: Sunday actually.. for Pixi's |
| 19:52.40 | gkatsev | renegaid: theoretically |
| 19:52.48 | oilsworkn | where is Eguy when you need him to tell people when updates are coming out |
| 19:52.50 | gkatsev | xorg: well, vlc is in optware... |
| 19:52.55 | oilsworkn | i haven't seen Eguy say anything in a while |
| 19:52.56 | xorg | righto |
| 19:52.57 | renegaid | i remember reading that developers do not have the access |
| 19:53.23 | gkatsev | renegaid: probably will have to be homebrew |
| 19:53.29 | dBsooner-work | FIRST, I had to pat $20 to get my hard drive Advance Replaced (they send the new one, with return shipping label in it for old one) |
| 19:53.52 | dBsooner-work | THEN.. I get the new one last night, get windows 7 insatlled on there.. copied a lot of may data back onto it.. reboot it several times.. |
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| 19:53.54 | renegaid | that's like the only thing i really want for this phone. that and a music player that supports wma |
| 19:53.58 | dBsooner-work | shut it down, went to bed. |
| 19:54.15 | dBsooner-work | COme home for lunch today to finish copying files and get the old drive to send back.. and I boot up the laptop and get... |
| 19:54.20 | gkatsev | renegaid: why the hell would you want wma? its crap... flac ftw! |
| 19:54.28 | dBsooner-work | "System of Disk Failure. Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE to reboot" |
| 19:54.36 | gkatsev | ouch |
| 19:54.44 | renegaid | i have lots of music in wma |
| 19:54.53 | dBsooner-work | So do all the tricks on it.. |
| 19:54.54 | renegaid | don't need flac |
| 19:55.02 | dBsooner-work | but its got a bad header area |
| 19:55.08 | renegaid | the pre has like 7GB. |
| 19:55.11 | dBsooner-work | because all attempts to format it fail at 0% |
| 19:55.24 | dBsooner-work | chkdsk failes on files 4,5,6 |
| 19:55.29 | dBsooner-work | which are the boot files |
| 19:55.35 | dBsooner-work | and it can't fix them |
| 19:55.39 | gkatsev | for me, i want a music player that can play at 150% playback speed, which i should be able to do with flash... |
| 19:56.06 | dBsooner-work | So I call Seagate.. well.. good news is they aren't charging me another 20.. bad news is they said it will be WEDNESDAY before I get the new one. |
| 19:56.15 | dBsooner-work | Which, will be ANOTHER "REfurbished" hard drive |
| 19:56.44 | dBsooner-work | This is retarded. I wish I had $100 to spare to just go buy a damn new one. So I can get back to Pre development. |
| 19:57.07 | oilsworkn | begins playing violin for dbsooner |
| 19:57.08 | gkatsev | if it is really, refurbished, it is good. as it means that someone actually took the time to make sure it works. but sometimes, they just put it in a box and dont bother really checking it... |
| 19:57.37 | oilsworkn | would be as pissed as dbsooner |
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| 19:57.58 | oilsworkn | but i've got enough drives lying around its never a problem :/ |
| 19:58.07 | dBsooner-work | it had the "factory refurbished" drive sticker |
| 19:58.20 | oilsworkn | which means tehy got it |
| 19:58.21 | dBsooner-work | It's not about haing them.. I have them |
| 19:58.30 | oilsworkn | hooked it up to a diagnostic machine |
| 19:58.30 | dBsooner-work | I just hate having to "install windows" or anything over and over |
| 19:58.35 | oilsworkn | said "worksforme" |
| 19:58.42 | egaudet_work | dBsooner-work, get yourself a good diagnostics boot disk |
| 19:58.45 | oilsworkn | slapped on sticker, boxed it up |
| 19:58.50 | gkatsev | yeah, thankfully windows no longers takes a bagillion hours to install |
| 19:58.58 | gkatsev | dBsooner-work: know of ninite.com? |
| 19:59.05 | dBsooner-work | egaudet_work: I have one.. it fails all checks. |
| 19:59.18 | egaudet_work | nice |
| 19:59.23 | dBsooner-work | Yeah.. |
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| 19:59.36 | egaudet_work | i blame it on windows |
| 19:59.38 | dBsooner-work | It worked fine till it wrote those files to the boot sector |
| 19:59.39 | dBsooner-work | lol |
| 20:00.32 | dBsooner-work | WEDNESDAY? Really? They can't ship it faster? |
| 20:00.37 | Mousey | is there a size limit on the size an image will show in the browser"? |
| 20:00.51 | dBsooner-work | If he could have actually spoke "engrish" (his words) better, I woulda demanded more. |
| 20:01.05 | dBsooner-work | 2-day shipping and it won't leave till Monday. |
| 20:03.35 | Mousey | ninite.com < cnr.com |
| 20:04.33 | gkatsev | ninite's interface is so much better and simpler |
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| 20:06.07 | gkatsev | also, ninite is for windows... and i also prefer appnr.com for debian based systems |
| 20:07.27 | egaudet_work | what are the linux stream to xbox 360 alternatives these days? |
| 20:07.31 | egaudet_work | still fuppes? |
| 20:08.47 | dBsooner-work | Plus, I don't see how windows could cause faulty sectors |
| 20:08.47 | dBsooner-work | ;) |
| 20:08.55 | egaudet_work | i do |
| 20:08.59 | dBsooner-work | LOL |
| 20:09.05 | gkatsev | dBsooner-work: spinrite? |
| 20:09.15 | dBsooner-work | (not in th ebest of moods) |
| 20:09.58 | dBsooner-work | gkatsev: Haven't done spinrite yet |
| 20:10.07 | egaudet_work | spinwrong |
| 20:10.08 | dBsooner-work | as I am RMA'ing it so I am not THAT worried about it |
| 20:10.23 | dBsooner-work | spinrite is da shiz |
| 20:10.57 | dBsooner-work | But seriously.. after staying up late to get it working "just right".. then to see that today.. |
| 20:11.01 | dBsooner-work | makes me want to punch old ladies. |
| 20:11.09 | gkatsev | lol |
| 20:11.37 | dBsooner-work | anyone want to donate to the "Let's feel bad for dB and get him a new Hard Drive" cause/ |
| 20:11.54 | egaudet_work | yea!!! |
| 20:12.01 | egaudet_work | I pledge 100 billlllllion dollars |
| 20:12.10 | dBsooner-work | You can get the new 500GB Segate SATA drive out of the deal.. |
| 20:12.28 | dBsooner-work | I want to go buy a new one at Best Buy and sell the RMA'd one (the one I am getting wednesday) |
| 20:12.33 | gkatsev | dBsooner-work: you should just return the harddrive and get a 1TB drive from new egg for like $80 |
| 20:12.45 | dBsooner-work | laptop for 80$? |
| 20:13.00 | gkatsev | oh, |
| 20:13.01 | gkatsev | lol |
| 20:13.04 | dBsooner-work | gkatsev: wish I could.. its a year old. |
| 20:13.17 | gkatsev | 500GB drive for $80 |
| 20:13.18 | dBsooner-work | So I am thinking of just buying a new 500 for 99 at best buy |
| 20:13.25 | dBsooner-work | and then trying to get rid of this one some how |
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| 20:46.30 | rwhitby | morning |
| 20:46.49 | Delgarth | Is there anyway to delete my tmp folder on var to keep my phone from updating again? I think I have the mytether issue. Keeps updating |
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| 20:59.19 | rwhitby | cool - android on the treo 650 - I have two of them. |
| 21:00.49 | Mousey | really?? |
| 21:01.02 | rwhitby | dBsooner-work: you should start a donation drive to buy you a new hard disk - I'd kick in $10 to start it. |
| 21:01.56 | gkatsev | rwhitby: you should work on getting webos on them instead. :) |
| 21:02.31 | rwhitby | gkatsev: webos aint going to work that well on a resistive screen ... |
| 21:02.45 | rwhitby | all that dragging that is required |
| 21:02.59 | gkatsev | yeah, guess not |
| 21:03.03 | gkatsev | would still be cool |
| 21:03.07 | gkatsev | though |
| 21:03.54 | nt4cats | wonders how to compare US$ to AUS$ |
| 21:04.25 | gkatsev | $4000 US ~ 3700 AUS$ |
| 21:04.36 | rwhitby | nt4cats: almost parity at the moment, which sucks for place of employment (being an exporter) |
| 21:05.02 | nt4cats | gkatsev: so, $0.40 US$ == $0.37 AUS$ |
| 21:05.19 | rwhitby | it's about .9+ at the moment |
| 21:05.36 | gkatsev | google says that, right now 1USD = 1.074 AUD |
| 21:05.59 | jbrett | http://www.google.com/finance/converter |
| 21:06.08 | gkatsev | oh, yeah, sorry, i meant 4000 AUD is about 3700 USD |
| 21:06.09 | rwhitby | it varies from .6 to 1.0 over time depending on the price of raw ore exports and whether the US is printing money. |
| 21:06.12 | gkatsev | sorry! |
| 21:06.59 | gkatsev | its because the new 8 monitors in one graphics card is about 4000AUD, got mixed up, sorry |
| 21:07.09 | jbrett | or you can just search for "<foo>USD in AUD" |
| 21:07.30 | nt4cats | if everyone sends me money I'll send dbsooner one of these hard drives that I have laying around |
| 21:07.48 | nt4cats | I'll even take AUD 1:1 |
| 21:08.09 | gkatsev | lol |
| 21:08.45 | jbrett | holds out $100USD close to his screen, waitd for nt4cats to take it. |
| 21:08.57 | jbrett | s/waitd/waits/ |
| 21:09.09 | nt4cats | holds his hard drive close to his screen, waits for dbsooner to take it |
| 21:09.38 | gkatsev | ./dcc send dBsooner-work harddrive |
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| 21:11.20 | nt4cats | dbsooner where are you located? |
| 21:12.44 | nt4cats | ... and do you need a laptop drive or a desktop/workstation drive? |
| 21:13.02 | gkatsev | nt4cats: laptop |
| 21:13.55 | nt4cats | I have one each of: 120G, 200G, and 256G sitting in my bag here ... |
| 21:14.08 | nt4cats | all 7200RPM |
| 21:14.48 | cphelps | gkatsev: definitely go for 256, that's clearly the best choice. |
| 21:15.12 | gkatsev | cphelps: this is for dBsooner-work. :) |
| 21:15.21 | oil | will take one of each |
| 21:15.21 | oil | xD |
| 21:15.30 | Mousey | i coulda sworn there was some kinda save-link-as browser patch |
| 21:15.35 | cphelps | gkatsev: my bad. Either way, the power of two owns |
| 21:15.39 | nt4cats | Mousey: muti-mod |
| 21:15.41 | gkatsev | yep |
| 21:15.44 | Mousey | nt4cats: ty |
| 21:15.53 | Mousey | weird, i have that installed. maybe i just donno how to use it |
| 21:16.05 | nt4cats | orange-button+link |
| 21:16.07 | Rick_work | oil, help |
| 21:16.12 | oil | aye? |
| 21:16.21 | Rick_work | being stupid |
| 21:16.28 | gkatsev | i dont think i need harddrives for a while. i have 2 TB internal and 1TB external as well as one 360GB in my laptop and another 100GB from my old laptop's HDD |
| 21:16.34 | nt4cats | is really good at being stupid -- let me know if I can help, too |
| 21:16.35 | Rick_work | what is the syntax to pass a parameter when pusing a scene? |
| 21:16.49 | Rick_work | pushing |
| 21:16.53 | Mousey | orange+click@ |
| 21:16.55 | Mousey | orange+click! |
| 21:16.58 | Mousey | love it! |
| 21:17.02 | oil | pushScene('scane-name', param)? |
| 21:17.29 | nt4cats | Mousey: like I said ... <nt4cats> orange-button+link |
| 21:17.30 | Rick_work | and then, in main-assistant (params) { |
| 21:17.36 | Rick_work | myparam = params; |
| 21:17.39 | oil | right |
| 21:17.41 | Rick_work | and I should have it? Right? |
| 21:17.43 | Mousey | nt4cats: musta missed it! ty! |
| 21:17.46 | Rick_work | uh, no. |
| 21:18.20 | Rick_work | this.controller.pushScene('main', 123); |
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| 21:18.47 | oil | function MainAssistant(param) { |
| 21:18.47 | Rick_work | function MainAssistant(params) { |
| 21:18.48 | Rick_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.48 | Rick_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.09 | Rick_work | returns ***undefined |
| 21:19.13 | oil | thast really all it takes :/ |
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| 21:19.18 | oil | idk |
| 21:19.24 | oil | where are you pushing from |
| 21:19.30 | oil | is this.controller.pushScene right? |
| 21:19.33 | Rick_work | stage assistant. |
| 21:19.48 | Rick_work | well, I don't know if it's right, but it pushes the scene |
| 21:19.54 | oil | then its right |
| 21:20.01 | Rick_work | and it's what Ive used to push every startup scene I've ever used. |
| 21:20.09 | oil | you try just |
| 21:20.09 | oil | Mojo.Log.error("**************" + myparam); |
| 21:20.11 | oil | i mean |
| 21:20.15 | oil | Mojo.Log.error("**************" + params); |
| 21:20.26 | xorg | +oil: found an oddity in PreWare deleting of an app |
| 21:20.31 | oil | any typo or anything? |
| 21:20.37 | oil | xorg: it doesn't delete cookies or db? |
| 21:20.38 | oil | we know about it |
| 21:20.41 | Rick_work | returns ***undefined |
| 21:20.59 | xorg | but if you delete from Launcher, everything is removed |
| 21:21.02 | oil | right |
| 21:21.04 | xorg | k |
| 21:21.07 | oil | rwhitby is going to fix it in the service |
| 21:21.28 | rwhitby | once we find out how :-) |
| 21:21.34 | oil | lol |
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| 21:21.35 | egaudet_work | var myparam |
| 21:21.36 | egaudet_work | or this.myparam |
| 21:21.40 | xorg | :) |
| 21:21.42 | oil | yeah, idk where cookies/db is stored |
| 21:21.54 | oil | or how they're named, etc |
| 21:21.58 | oil | has to get back to work though |
| 21:22.12 | oil | Rick_work: what you have should work, i'm not sure what else to tell ya :/ |
| 21:22.14 | Rick_work | this.myparam = params; |
| 21:22.14 | Rick_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.27 | Rick_work | returns undefined. |
| 21:22.48 | nt4cats | Can you do Mojo.Log.error("**************" + params) ? |
| 21:22.55 | oil | bbl |
| 21:22.58 | Rick_work | nt4cats returns undefined |
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| 21:23.55 | Rick_work | I do not want to put all my business logic in the assistant. |
| 21:24.05 | Rick_work | I want to put my business logic in a model. |
| 21:24.16 | Rick_work | I need to be able to pass the model object to the assistant. |
| 21:24.18 | Rick_work | :-( |
| 21:24.28 | Rick_work | right now, I can not pass an integer. :( |
| 21:24.52 | cphelps | Rick_work: Doesn't the browser pass around a bunch of models to the assistants? |
| 21:25.03 | egaudet_work | var myvar = 123; Mojo.Log.error("var " + myvar); pushScene('main', myvar) |
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| 21:26.11 | Rick_work | egaudet returns ***undefined |
| 21:26.15 | Rick_work | I give up |
| 21:26.26 | Rick_work | perhaps later. After food. and a hug. |
| 21:26.35 | Rick_work | I'm going to go get my stuffed eyeore now. |
| 21:26.38 | egaudet_work | myvar is undefined ^^ there |
| 21:26.39 | egaudet_work | ? |
| 21:26.42 | egaudet_work | ok |
| 21:27.01 | cphelps | Rick_work: watching pooh movies is always uplifting. |
| 21:27.06 | Rick_work | egaudet in stage assistant.... var myvar = 123; |
| 21:27.07 | Rick_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.29 | egaudet_work | log it right before pushScene and it shows 123, but in MainAssistant it doesn't? |
| 21:27.30 | Rick_work | egaudet_work in main assistant: function MainAssistant(params) { |
| 21:27.30 | Rick_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.30 | Rick_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.59 | Rick_work | returns ****undefined in the log. :-( and every other varient anyone has suggested. :-( |
| 21:28.32 | egaudet_work | weird |
| 21:28.38 | Rick_work | no kidding |
| 21:29.08 | nt4cats | if you put a constant (the number 123 directly) in the call to pushScene does that matter? |
| 21:29.52 | egaudet_work | try changing scene name |
| 21:29.53 | nt4cats | <=== has done zero WebOS development yet -- so I'm blindly guessing |
| 21:29.55 | egaudet_work | instead of default main |
| 21:31.24 | Rick_work | egaudet did that |
| 21:32.43 | Rick_work | nt4cats http://webos.pastebin.com/m77dd5681 |
| 21:33.14 | Rick_work | I've tried it with 1234 with a variable, with an object, with astring, I've tried logging the param directly, through a this. and through a var. |
| 21:33.17 | Rick_work | Always undefined. |
| 21:33.19 | Rick_work | :-( |
| 21:34.29 | egaudet_work | and pushScene('notmain', myvar) :P |
| 21:34.42 | nt4cats | http://webos.pastebin.com/m14e966ef |
| 21:34.48 | Rick_work | that too. (used about) |
| 21:35.13 | nt4cats | Okay, I just merged egaudet's (informed) and my (ignorant) recommendation |
| 21:36.09 | egaudet_work | Rick_work, try to get really funky and push a blank scene that pushes that scene in setup() via this.controller.stageController.pushScene() |
| 21:36.44 | egaudet_work | I dunno what it is, but we pass params like that in pushScene and it works |
| 21:38.26 | Rick_work | egaudet_work would you take a look at it if I posted a zip? |
| 21:38.32 | Rick_work | I'm just beat here. |
| 21:38.32 | egaudet_work | yea |
| 21:38.39 | Rick_work | and It's GOT to be somehting stupid |
| 21:40.55 | Rick_work | http://www.vocshop.com/junk/dreidel.zip |
| 21:42.12 | sampson | you know how there was that yahoo messenger addon for messaging |
| 21:42.20 | sampson | is anyone working on a xmpp plugin |
| 21:46.59 | egaudet_work | Rick_work, are you accidentally modifying the stage assistant in xsrc/ rather than src/ ? |
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| 21:49.43 | Rick_work | egaudet_work if I am, Im ging to go take a nap |
| 21:50.02 | Rick_work | CRAP |
| 21:50.11 | Rick_work | thank you |
| 21:50.17 | egaudet_work | np |
| 21:50.22 | Rick_work | I'm an idiot. and programming while sleepy is a bad thing |
| 21:50.53 | egaudet_work | it's always those little things that drive us up a wall :P |
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| 21:57.43 | oilsworkn | get it sorted rick? |
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| 22:00.47 | oilsworkn | takes silence as yes? |
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| 22:03.39 | Rick_work | sorted enough oil |
| 22:06.45 | oilsworkn | what was it in the end? |
| 22:09.12 | Rick_work | I was frantically editing the wrong copy of stage assistant |
| 22:09.18 | Rick_work | a backup not the one that was running |
| 22:10.50 | oilsworkn | oops |
| 22:10.59 | oilsworkn | has done that before |
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| 22:12.47 | Rick_work | me too |
| 22:12.50 | Rick_work | once for a couple of days. |
| 22:12.55 | oilsworkn | or with preware isntalled |
| 22:13.05 | oilsworkn | trying to test a new version with same version# in appinfo |
| 22:13.11 | Rick_work | nodnod |
| 22:13.13 | oilsworkn | it never installing the new version |
| 22:13.20 | oilsworkn | WHY AREN"T MY CHANGES SHOWING UP?!?! |
| 22:13.21 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 22:13.54 | oilsworkn | so you get your catalog app(s?) updated for pixi? |
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| 22:33.13 | Rick_work | I got them in |
| 22:33.30 | Rick_work | Judy is wringing some necks today to attempt to get them in the push before tommorow morning. |
| 22:33.36 | Rick_work | so that they are on pixi at release. |
| 22:33.49 | Rick_work | we are -both- unhappy since I --- met the deadline ---- |
| 22:33.49 | oilsworkn | hasn't even started to convert his apps :/ |
| 22:34.01 | Rick_work | it really sucks dead bunnies. |
| 22:34.10 | Rick_work | those 80 pixels are HARD to do without |
| 22:34.30 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 22:34.36 | oilsworkn | dotgame will be relatively easy |
| 22:34.40 | oilsworkn | blocked will be the crunch |
| 22:35.05 | oilsworkn | dot game i can just remove some rows from the grid and the code is ok |
| 22:35.09 | oilsworkn | blocked HAS to be that square size |
| 22:35.21 | oilsworkn | so im going to take the height frmo the header |
| 22:35.36 | Rick_work | nodnod |
| 22:35.42 | Rick_work | reversi had to be 320 x 320 |
| 22:35.45 | Rick_work | no choice |
| 22:35.50 | Rick_work | so, header by by |
| 22:35.58 | Rick_work | scores and newgame button crunch the hell out of |
| 22:36.03 | Rick_work | when on pixi |
| 22:36.17 | oilsworkn | blocked is a little better |
| 22:36.20 | oilsworkn | in that its 300x300 |
| 22:36.40 | Rick_work | tap targets for reversi are hard at 40x40 |
| 22:36.46 | Rick_work | I can't IMAGINE going smaller. |
| 22:36.52 | oilsworkn | 20 more px to work with in my header xD |
| 22:37.31 | oilsworkn | dotgame is 38x38 tap targets |
| 22:37.33 | oilsworkn | but they're 'lines' |
| 22:37.47 | oilsworkn | making them too big makes it weird |
| 22:37.49 | oilsworkn | and overlapping |
| 22:37.59 | oilsworkn | i would rather it be harder to tap the one you want |
| 22:38.09 | oilsworkn | then to accidentally tap one you didnt |
| 22:39.31 | Rick_work | oilsworkn http://vocshop.com/junk/com.vocshop.dreidel.ipk |
| 22:40.49 | Rick_work | needs better graphics. Needs css, but works now. :-) |
| 22:41.19 | oilsworkn | is at work |
| 22:41.44 | oilsworkn | will pm it to 'oil' and test it at home |
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| 22:44.04 | Rick_work | do you know, it's really HARD to win at driedel. |
| 22:44.11 | Rick_work | it takes for freaking ever. |
| 22:49.40 | lingfish | argh... why isn't there doco on com.palm.taskScheduler |
| 22:49.47 | lingfish | Damn you Palm, damn you! |
| 22:53.23 | dBsooner-work | rwhitby, egaudet_work: ping |
| 22:54.05 | egaudet_work | dBsooner-work is it quick? |
| 22:54.05 | rwhitby | dBsooner-work: bbiab (say it and I'll get back to you) |
| 22:54.08 | egaudet_work | heading out for the day if not |
| 22:54.12 | dBsooner-work | yeah its quick |
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| 22:54.22 | dBsooner-work | Well it's not |
| 22:54.38 | dBsooner-work | We need to have a way to completely remove a package, or at least OBSOLETE IT |
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| 22:54.55 | egaudet_work | oi |
| 22:55.00 | egaudet_work | I thought we already decidd this |
| 22:55.02 | dBsooner-work | like for the guy saying that the Pandora Headset Advance patch no longer works with the new Pandora version |
| 22:55.07 | dBsooner-work | I know, but we never did it. |
| 22:55.11 | egaudet_work | dummy package, version bump |
| 22:55.14 | dBsooner-work | Yeah |
| 22:55.21 | dBsooner-work | need to talk rwhitby into making the makefile |
| 22:56.03 | egaudet_work | It's simple (check out build.git/linux/obsolete-virtual-keyboard) |
| 22:56.46 | egaudet_work | ok be back tomorrow |
| 22:56.51 | dBsooner-work | no, to be able to just move the /build.git/auotpatch/PATH_DIR/ to /autopatch/obsolete/PATCH_DIR/ |
| 22:57.04 | dBsooner-work | and have the makefile in <obsolete> create the package |
| 22:57.25 | dBsooner-work | bumping version # |
| 22:57.35 | egaudet_work | Makefile in <obsolete> just has to do a for loop like the ones in build.git/Makefile |
| 22:57.36 | dBsooner-work | and not continue bumping it each run. :) |
| 22:57.54 | dBsooner-work | well my hard drive (the new one) is bad |
| 22:57.57 | egaudet_work | throw the dummy-maker makefile into the dir and make |
| 22:57.58 | egaudet_work | anyway |
| 22:57.59 | egaudet_work | yea |
| 22:57.59 | egaudet_work | I' |
| 22:58.06 | dBsooner-work | ok.. leave |
| 22:58.08 | egaudet_work | look into it if tomorrow or something |
| 22:58.09 | egaudet_work | bye |
| 22:58.11 | dBsooner-work | rwhitby and I will work on it |
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| 23:22.05 | nt4cats | the onscreen kybd is very nice for texting while walking |
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| 23:28.42 | nt4cats | am I sill on this channel or did the pre wirc client drop me ? |
| 23:28.52 | oilsworkn | dropped you |
| 23:29.13 | oilsworkn | this post |
| 23:29.14 | oilsworkn | http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps-software/214228-app-jar-files.html |
| 23:29.16 | oilsworkn | makes me laugh |
| 23:29.24 | nt4cats | cool -- I just made a call while connected |
| 23:29.33 | oilsworkn | i did that yestaday |
| 23:30.09 | nt4cats | it apparently handles that nicely |
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| 23:31.03 | synackfin | hey, does anyone know if anyone is working on a vnc/rdp for webos? (I know there's one on the palmos classic) |
| 23:31.22 | synackfin | vnc/rdp client* that is |
| 23:31.26 | Smubeht | wasnt there a version out already |
| 23:31.28 | Smubeht | prevnc? |
| 23:31.44 | nt4cats | synackfin: I thought I saw one already |
| 23:31.54 | Smubeht | remotewin- |
| 23:31.57 | Smubeht | http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/prevnc |
| 23:32.23 | synackfin | ah, let me try that |
| 23:32.48 | synackfin | and is there anything that can do rdp? |
| 23:33.16 | Smubeht | and oilsworkn: thats pretty funny |
| 23:33.52 | nt4cats | there is a for-fee app with a proprietary server app that will connect to windoze |
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| 23:35.04 | nt4cats | I'm walking down the street, not a great time for me to search the web for you |
| 23:35.28 | synackfin | nt4cats: what is it called? |
| 23:35.28 | Smubeht | lol |
| 23:35.36 | i_disagree | nt4cats, this one time this girl was walking and texting |
| 23:35.40 | i_disagree | and they were doing construction right |
| 23:35.50 | Smubeht | she fell in a sewer? |
| 23:35.55 | i_disagree | and they had left to get something, but didnt put up cones |
| 23:35.59 | i_disagree | and she fell in a sewer! |
| 23:36.01 | Smubeht | hahaha |
| 23:36.02 | i_disagree | like TMNT! |
| 23:36.07 | Smubeht | TMNT ftw |
| 23:36.44 | oilsworkn | was there mutants in the sewers? |
| 23:36.59 | Smubeht | yes |
| 23:37.01 | Smubeht | and they were teens |
| 23:37.08 | oilsworkn | master splinter wasn't a teen |
| 23:37.12 | Smubeht | lol |
| 23:37.17 | Smubeht | he was at some point in his life |
| 23:37.22 | oilsworkn | never |
| 23:37.24 | Smubeht | haha |
| 23:37.37 | oilsworkn | he was born an old man, and slowly got younger |
| 23:37.48 | Smubeht | so he went from baby to 12 -> 20 -> ninja -> ninja rat? |
| 23:38.00 | Smubeht | haha |
| 23:38.02 | Smubeht | this isnt benjamin button |
| 23:38.03 | nt4cats | it is called RemoteWin -- the lite version is in PreWare |
| 23:38.19 | Smubeht | i gothim that info nt4cats already =) |
| 23:38.31 | oilsworkn | no, he went born as old man..... |
| 23:38.47 | Smubeht | haha |
| 23:38.59 | oilsworkn | and a ninja already |
| 23:39.02 | nt4cats | ... and then the British captured him and thought he was a Nazi and he couldn't go rescue his girlfriend in the cave |
| 23:39.06 | Smubeht | lol |
| 23:39.20 | oilsworkn | cause hes obviously super bad ass ninja |
| 23:39.34 | oilsworkn | if he taught the other mutants kung fu |
| 23:40.06 | Smubeht | someone want to walk me through using git and installing latest wirc version? or is an update coming soon enough where i shouldnt bother trying to figure out how to use git and all that stuff |
| 23:40.18 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:40.38 | oilsworkn | you have the SDK? |
| 23:40.41 | Smubeht | yes |
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| 23:41.01 | oilsworkn | you can just download a snapshot, and palm-package/palm-install it |
| 23:41.19 | Smubeht | oh so no need for git than really? |
| 23:41.25 | oilsworkn | http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=summary |
| 23:41.37 | oilsworkn | see where it says summary on the right? |
| 23:41.44 | wircLover | I have a script called dopalm |
| 23:41.45 | oilsworkn | click it for the line that is currently the master |
| 23:41.55 | wircLover | It packages and installs for me |
| 23:42.10 | wircLover | except my ubuntu novacom is so flaky |
| 23:42.12 | Smubeht | i dont see summary |
| 23:42.15 | wircLover | half the time it can find my device! |
| 23:42.18 | balrog-k1n | has got git and gcc on the phone now and i'm compiling away stuff |
| 23:42.19 | oilsworkn | sorry |
| 23:42.22 | oilsworkn | snapshot |
| 23:42.25 | Smubeht | ah gotcha |
| 23:42.38 | Smubeht | ok saved that |
| 23:42.50 | egaudet_hop1 | ewww pre compiling |
| 23:43.08 | oilsworkn | Smubeht: extract it |
| 23:43.11 | oilsworkn | then palm-package it |
| 23:43.16 | oilsworkn | and palm-install the ipk it creates |
| 23:43.42 | Smubeht | palm package? sorry i havent worked with the sdk really |
| 23:43.51 | oilsworkn | what os? |
| 23:43.55 | Smubeht | win7 |
| 23:44.02 | oilsworkn | run > cmd |
| 23:44.09 | egaudet_hop1 | release this weekend |
| 23:44.09 | Smubeht | k |
| 23:44.13 | oilsworkn | change directories to the folder were you extracted it |
| 23:44.24 | oilsworkn | palm-package [foldername] |
| 23:44.25 | oilsworkn | whatever it is |
| 23:44.30 | oilsworkn | then it will create an ipk |
| 23:44.40 | Smubeht | do i need that pax_global_header |
| 23:44.46 | oilsworkn | wtf is that? |
| 23:45.03 | Smubeht | it came in the .tar.gz from snapshot |
| 23:45.16 | Smubeht | outside of the wIRC folder |
| 23:45.32 | renegaid | wirc has some bugs |
| 23:45.55 | gkatsev | lol |
| 23:46.32 | renegaid | it works but has some bugs like sometimes it doesn't connect or if you get disconnected it is hard to reconnect |
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| 23:47.21 | Smubeht | im getting access is denied |
| 23:47.25 | Smubeht | must be some crappy win7 thing |
| 23:47.59 | Smubeht | yes indeed |
| 23:48.10 | Smubeht | had to run cmd - Run as Administrator |
| 23:49.06 | oilsworkn | you need to extract hte source out of the tar.gz |
| 23:49.19 | oilsworkn | idk if win7 can do that on its own |
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| 23:53.34 | Smubeht | well i did that |
| 23:53.44 | Smubeht | it worked i just had to run cmd as admin |
| 23:53.51 | Smubeht | it defaults to not letting u write stuff i guess |
| 23:54.00 | Smubeht | do i have to dev mode to install? |
| 23:54.47 | egaudet_hop1 | yea |
| 23:55.09 | egaudet_hop1 | the palm-install uses novacom which needs dev mode on |
| 23:55.12 | Smubeht | eek |
| 23:55.18 | Smubeht | failed_not_enough_install_space |
| 23:55.20 | Smubeht | lol |
| 23:55.34 | oilsworkn | delete some crappy apps to make space for wirc |
| 23:55.34 | egaudet_hop1 | and /var needs to have at least 100MB free space |
| 23:56.01 | oilsworkn | you know you have some apps you haven't touched since installing it |
| 23:56.25 | Smubeht | haha =) |
| 23:56.30 | Smubeht | dot game? blocked? |
| 23:56.52 | oilsworkn | no, those ones are used daily |
| 23:57.03 | nt4cats | if you can't bear to delete, use mvapp |
| 23:57.11 | Smubeht | i can delete |
| 23:57.16 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:57.17 | Smubeht | im just lazy as hell to delete so many of them |
| 23:57.28 | Smubeht | this is going to be a while |
| 23:57.38 | oilsworkn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.56 | nt4cats | ... but mvapp users (like me) will have our day of reconning too |
| 23:58.15 | oilsworkn | really |
| 23:58.23 | oilsworkn | i haven't found enough apps worth keeping to need to mvapp |
| 23:59.26 | nt4cats | I used mvapp when it was 1st released and the 'rules' for the out of space message weren't well understood |
