| 00:00.12 | dBsooner-work | oil ping |
| 00:00.22 | dBsooner-work | rwhitby ping |
| 00:00.29 | dBsooner-work | egaudet: ping |
| 00:00.35 | dBsooner-work | dBsooner-work: ping |
| 00:01.53 | dBsooner-work | Questions for you three: 1) When does IPKG Service check the version of the OS? Every install? Every time Preware loads? Every time you update feeds in preware? |
| 00:02.08 | dBsooner-work | 2) What are the chances that the "update my feeds once daily" isn't actually doing it? |
| 00:04.33 | AtomicPlayboy | Lol. "Petite Pixi now patchable with Preware." |
| 00:04.57 | *** join/#webos-internals idle0ne (n=jcrawfor@pool-173-76-104-67.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 00:06.57 | *** join/#webos-internals Flashpass (n=flashpas@71-6-82-200.static-ip.telepacific.net) |
| 00:08.06 | *** join/#webos-internals donny_ (n=wIRCer@72-62-119-170.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 00:09.53 | *** join/#webos-internals Abyssul_ (n=Abyssul@cpe-075-176-175-108.sc.res.rr.com) |
| 00:14.54 | *** part/#webos-internals donny_ (n=wIRCer@72-62-119-170.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 00:18.06 | jauderho | oil: ping. |
| 00:22.15 | *** join/#webos-internals leonardo (n=leonardo@host78-164-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 00:22.51 | *** join/#webos-internals freakout-work (i=cbab0504@gateway/web/freenode/x-zjpnpsemzxxtuymk) |
| 00:23.09 | freakout-work | rwhitby: I must ask. are YOU Robert Werlinger? |
| 00:23.17 | *** join/#webos-internals diomark (n=diomark@c-24-23-238-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 00:23.20 | freakout-work | :p |
| 00:23.31 | *** join/#webos-internals Abyssul_ (n=Abyssul@cpe-075-176-175-108.sc.res.rr.com) |
| 00:24.42 | Templarian | thinks deiter should let more people have access to moderate... :P |
| 00:25.17 | *** join/#webos-internals BoBoYsDaDDa (i=markerx3@host-74-211-46-253.beyondbb.com) |
| 00:25.20 | *** join/#webos-internals playya (n=playya@unaffiliated/playya) |
| 00:25.22 | BoBoYsDaDDa | hey all |
| 00:25.33 | BoBoYsDaDDa | how do i reset my phone to complete factory |
| 00:25.41 | Templarian | webOS Doctor. |
| 00:25.47 | *** join/#webos-internals doodums (n=thadood@mharder-2.memphis.edu) |
| 00:25.57 | BoBoYsDaDDa | every time i try it says its disconnected even though it isn't |
| 00:25.57 | Templarian | (since 1.2.1 is out you will then have to do an OTA update. |
| 00:26.34 | Templarian | Hmm... are you calling it a liar? |
| 00:26.55 | Flashpass | BoBoYsDaDDa: is developer mode on? |
| 00:27.01 | BoBoYsDaDDa | yes i plug the phone it the process starts and then it says phone disconnected 5 minutes later |
| 00:27.05 | *** join/#webos-internals Abyssul (n=Abyssul@cpe-075-176-175-108.sc.res.rr.com) |
| 00:27.48 | BoBoYsDaDDa | its supposed to be in charging battery mode correct? |
| 00:28.05 | Flashpass | yeah "just charge", is dev mode on? |
| 00:28.30 | BoBoYsDaDDa | yes |
| 00:28.54 | Flashpass | which os? |
| 00:29.08 | BoBoYsDaDDa | vista64 comp pre 1.2.1 |
| 00:29.50 | en0x | anyone knows how to copy contacts from gmail to palm profile? |
| 00:30.05 | Flashpass | so did you perform whatever those steps are to install novacom driver for win7/vista machines? |
| 00:30.35 | BoBoYsDaDDa | i have tried to install novacom unsuccessfully |
| 00:31.05 | Flashpass | yeah there is some special process to install them for vista, unfortunately i dont know them |
| 00:31.05 | *** join/#webos-internals alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 00:31.30 | Flashpass | but that would be why it doesn't recognize... |
| 00:31.54 | BoBoYsDaDDa | well it was recognizing fine but now it won't after the doctor program failed on me this time |
| 00:32.09 | BoBoYsDaDDa | phone will charge but no charge tone on phone and no beep on computer when i plug it in |
| 00:32.39 | Abyssul | when in doubt, doctor |
| 00:32.54 | BoBoYsDaDDa | thats why i'm trying to run the doctor. it won't install themes. it won't delete a theme that isn't even visable. its being retarded |
| 00:33.08 | BoBoYsDaDDa | Abyssul what do u think i'm trying to do here? |
| 00:33.25 | Abyssul | idk, i just started reading |
| 00:34.22 | Abyssul | Why cant you doctor? |
| 00:35.00 | BoBoYsDaDDa | it said i disconnected the phone when i was running it the last time and i didn't. and now its not recognizing on my computer or in doctor |
| 00:36.24 | Abyssul | What error does the doctor give? |
| 00:36.39 | Abyssul | like when you try and doctor it now |
| 00:36.53 | BoBoYsDaDDa | no error. it doesn't see that i plugged the pre in |
| 00:37.00 | *** join/#webos-internals xenaki (i=47e66f6f@gateway/web/freenode/x-dzupgyumrmajadhy) |
| 00:38.08 | grndslm | you guys know that preware has a bug? |
| 00:38.15 | Flashpass | it seems like the key for you is just getting the novacom drivers to install properly |
| 00:38.24 | BoBoYsDaDDa | anyone tried a partial erase through the device info app? |
| 00:38.27 | synackfin | grndslm: what's the bug? |
| 00:38.58 | grndslm | it hangs when trying to load themes whenever "Show Available Types" is set to No |
| 00:40.44 | grndslm | http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/214706-preware-webos-updates-problems.html#post2041158 |
| 00:41.01 | grndslm | there's a bit i wrote whenever somebody else reported that themes were hanging |
| 00:41.51 | Jerin | did anyon take a stab at figuring out where the bottleneck in the pixi? |
| 00:42.26 | Jerin | http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pixi/214690-bug-evdo-induced-freezing-lag.html |
| 00:43.43 | grndslm | Jerin: i have no idea, but methinks the lag is due to the underpowered processor |
| 00:44.05 | grndslm | just my guess and the reason i went with the pre after seeing the first pixi review |
| 00:45.49 | *** join/#webos-internals jrsss (n=wIRCer@173-129-177-69.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 00:46.18 | jrsss | evening |
| 00:48.04 | grndslm | howdy owdy |
| 00:53.08 | en0x | ehmm |
| 00:53.13 | en0x | quick question |
| 00:53.19 | en0x | does the gsm pre have sat nav? |
| 00:53.27 | en0x | the one from uk or germany or whatever? |
| 00:53.40 | grndslm | i don't see why it wouldn't |
| 00:54.15 | en0x | idk just asking |
| 00:54.26 | en0x | never heard of anybody from europe mentioning it |
| 00:57.16 | en0x | my battery lasted 4 hrs today |
| 00:57.19 | en0x | on pre ;) |
| 00:57.32 | en0x | and it was due of no coverage at my work |
| 00:57.41 | en0x | so its constantly searching for signal... |
| 01:04.44 | bougyman | secret to usbnet with vista? |
| 01:04.51 | bougyman | the inf file for XP says it is not valid. |
| 01:05.01 | bougyman | i can't find a driver for vista for some reason. |
| 01:05.54 | rwhitby | freakout-work: ah, good. Robert wrote an article. No, I am not Robert, but it's clear that we are like minds. |
| 01:06.23 | bougyman | do Ineed to use devcon or something? |
| 01:07.37 | bougyman | perhaps i missed something, going from http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/USBnet_Setup |
| 01:07.58 | bougyman | i did uninstall novacomd and reboot, it says it is disabled. |
| 01:09.14 | *** join/#webos-internals djk1 (n=djk@ool-4573a369.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 01:09.45 | *** join/#webos-internals hckyplayer024 (n=hckyplay@ip68-6-119-191.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 01:11.51 | *** part/#webos-internals hckyplayer024 (n=hckyplay@ip68-6-119-191.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 01:12.22 | *** part/#webos-internals dBsooner-work (n=dBsooner@unaffiliated/dbsooner) |
| 01:15.43 | *** join/#webos-internals justaguy (i=ae9a7298@gateway/web/freenode/x-mxigefpuucyhwhqs) |
| 01:15.43 | bougyman | is http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwdev/resources/HWservices/rndis.mspx what i'm missing for vista? |
| 01:18.34 | freakout-work | rwhitby: Indeed, Allietaritive Preware headlines are *so* yesterday |
| 01:18.55 | *** join/#webos-internals LurkerXXX_ (n=LurkerXX@adsl-99-128-16-189.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) |
| 01:18.57 | mumbles | argh . |
| 01:19.08 | mumbles | i wish i could edit .doc's on the pre |
| 01:19.58 | LurkerXXX_ | 'maybe next year' |
| 01:20.02 | *** join/#webos-internals Manifest (n=adam@cpe-66-61-70-96.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 01:20.31 | *** part/#webos-internals Manifest (n=adam@cpe-66-61-70-96.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 01:20.32 | *** join/#webos-internals rawdr (n=rawdr@cpe-24-209-66-172.woh.res.rr.com) |
| 01:20.34 | mumbles | yeh |
| 01:20.36 | freakout-work | s/Allietaritive/Alliterative/ |
| 01:20.45 | mumbles | one think my xda could do |
| 01:20.48 | mumbles | and still dose |
| 01:21.08 | mumbles | goes to install joe |
| 01:21.17 | *** join/#webos-internals Manifest (n=adam@cpe-66-61-70-96.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 01:21.20 | Manifest | Hi, where can I get Preware? Is it in WOQI? |
| 01:24.06 | Manifest | Anyone? |
| 01:24.09 | Smubeht | i believe so |
| 01:24.28 | *** join/#webos-internals sugardav1 (n=sugardav@cpe-72-177-90-50.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 01:25.23 | Manifest | Smubeht: Any clue where? Couldn't seem to find it :s |
| 01:25.54 | *** join/#webos-internals Mark_M (n=wIRCer@c-71-56-216-96.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 01:25.56 | Smubeht | lemme see |
| 01:26.15 | Manifest | Ok. |
| 01:26.19 | Smubeht | go to device management i think |
| 01:26.28 | Manifest | Oh OK. |
| 01:26.54 | *** join/#webos-internals sugardav1 (n=sugardav@cpe-72-177-90-50.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 01:26.59 | Smubeht | should be under webos-internals |
| 01:27.12 | Smubeht | install the package manager service first |
| 01:27.15 | Smubeht | then preware |
| 01:27.54 | Smubeht | http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/199090-preware.html |
| 01:27.54 | *** join/#webos-internals tommyjaw (i=460ba58b@gateway/web/freenode/x-cpwnjauijkaiisbv) |
| 01:27.57 | Smubeht | here are instructions Manifest |
| 01:28.39 | *** join/#webos-internals ice-11 (n=ice@206.47.201.123) |
| 01:28.50 | rwhitby | Manifest: did you try the first Google hit for "Preware" ? |
| 01:29.05 | Smubeht | heh |
| 01:29.08 | Manifest | No. |
| 01:29.28 | *** join/#webos-internals Abyssul (n=Abyssul@cpe-075-176-175-108.sc.res.rr.com) |
| 01:29.59 | justaguy | am i here? |
| 01:30.01 | Smubeht | no |
| 01:30.02 | justaguy | ok |
| 01:30.05 | bougyman | yeah, justaguy |
| 01:30.15 | bougyman | i feel like I'm not. |
| 01:30.18 | Smubeht | haha |
| 01:30.20 | justaguy | trying to open novacom for this /bin/sh: .: line 39: can't open /etc/profile.d/org.webosinternals.optware |
| 01:30.59 | bougyman | i'm trying to convince my wife to switch to ubuntu so I can quit banging my head against vista |
| 01:31.08 | Smubeht | get win 7 |
| 01:31.11 | Smubeht | its pretty good so far |
| 01:31.14 | Smubeht | no real complaints from me |
| 01:31.18 | bougyman | ugh i didn't like it at all on my L2100 |
| 01:31.26 | bougyman | seemed like vista to me. |
| 01:31.36 | Smubeht | lol |
| 01:31.39 | bougyman | not gonna spend that dough when she loves the netbook remix on her netbook. |
| 01:31.41 | *** join/#webos-internals dannns (n=wIRCer@c-75-74-142-232.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 01:31.50 | Smubeht | vista isnt that bad other than its crappiness |
| 01:32.03 | bougyman | well, i can't get the usbnet driver to work, at all. |
| 01:32.09 | bougyman | so she can't tether. |
| 01:32.15 | bougyman | and now she's mad that I made her get a pre. |
| 01:32.23 | bougyman | cause she was tethering with her trey755p |
| 01:32.32 | justaguy | this is on a pixi |
| 01:32.46 | bougyman | justaguy: is that file there? |
| 01:33.17 | *** part/#webos-internals Manifest (n=adam@cpe-66-61-70-96.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 01:33.18 | *** part/#webos-internals ice-11 (n=ice@206.47.201.123) |
| 01:33.25 | justaguy | yes |
| 01:33.43 | bougyman | are you trying to do it as your own user or as root? |
| 01:35.09 | *** join/#webos-internals sugardave (n=sugardav@cpe-66-69-220-182.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 01:35.18 | justaguy | http://webos.pastebin.com/d4cf205ae |
| 01:37.24 | justaguy | http://webos.pastebin.com/d365a4fcb |
| 01:38.33 | bpadalino | keep following the links |
| 01:38.54 | *** join/#webos-internals jmaldonado (i=445d592e@gateway/web/freenode/x-mqvihuankmampnnp) |
| 01:39.56 | Mark_M | is my tether fixed? |
| 01:43.44 | *** join/#webos-internals Manifest (n=adam@cpe-66-61-70-96.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 01:44.00 | Manifest | Anyone know the link to download the "MyTether" package? |
| 01:45.00 | Mark_M | Manifest, the free or paid version? |
| 01:45.33 | *** part/#webos-internals Mark_M (n=wIRCer@c-71-56-216-96.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 01:45.46 | Manifest | Really? |
| 01:45.48 | Manifest | Just leave? |
| 01:45.56 | Manifest | Anyone ELSE know a link to the MyTether package? |
| 01:46.10 | justaguy | mytether.net |
| 01:47.32 | Manifest | I'm there, can't find a link to the package. |
| 01:47.45 | justaguy | are you in the donor forum? |
| 01:47.57 | Manifest | I'm not a donor... |
| 01:48.05 | justaguy | maybe you should be? |
| 01:48.21 | oil | from what i heard, its only fixed for donors |
| 01:48.26 | oil | and by donors |
| 01:48.30 | oil | i mean customers who purchased the product |
| 01:49.31 | Eguy | for $34.47 |
| 01:49.38 | droO | whats newest version? |
| 01:49.46 | justaguy | the easy installments |
| 01:49.56 | justaguy | three* |
| 01:49.56 | Smubeht | lol |
| 01:50.35 | Manifest | oil: I'm not on 1.3.1, I'm on 1.2.1 |
| 01:50.42 | Eguy | lucky you |
| 01:50.47 | oil | so you're on sprint |
| 01:51.20 | Manifest | oil: Obviously |
| 01:51.32 | Smubeht | how is that obvious? |
| 01:51.44 | oil | tethering isn't approved for use on sprint |
| 01:51.46 | Eguy | lol |
| 01:51.47 | Manifest | Is that not the only network the Pre is available on? |
| 01:51.51 | Manifest | oil: Your point being...? |
| 01:51.54 | Manifest | I did it before... |
| 01:52.03 | justaguy | bell mobility |
| 01:52.08 | Smubeht | in the US maybe |
| 01:52.15 | Manifest | Just doctor'd my phone and lost the tether app, which is why I need it again. |
| 01:52.17 | Eguy | you are admitting to breaking your contract in a public channel? |
| 01:52.22 | Smubeht | hahaha |
| 01:52.29 | Manifest | Can anyone here link me to the package? |
| 01:52.29 | oil | public and logged |
| 01:52.32 | justaguy | where you get it last time? |
| 01:52.38 | Smubeht | you guys are cruel |
| 01:52.39 | Smubeht | =P |
| 01:52.40 | Manifest | justaguy: If I remembered I wouldn't be asking here :P |
| 01:52.57 | rawdr | Manifest, it's on mytether.net, just look again. It gives you a command to put into your pre |
| 01:53.09 | oil | http://tinyurl.com/ybatwqv |
| 01:53.11 | rawdr | For the older version |
| 01:53.12 | Manifest | rawdr: Oh, didn't know that was to install it, just thought it was to update it. |
| 01:53.22 | rawdr | It will remove old ones and then install the new |
| 01:53.26 | rawdr | well... install the new old one |
| 01:53.41 | justaguy | better to install it via terminal |
| 01:53.51 | Eguy | oil: epic win |
| 01:53.52 | Manifest | justaguy: Ok. |
| 01:53.58 | Smubeht | better to go to the sprint store and ask them to install it |
| 01:54.10 | rawdr | heh |
| 01:54.11 | Eguy | time to go make dinner |
| 01:54.17 | Manifest | Smubeht: Yeah, right away. |
| 01:54.25 | justaguy | what are we having? |
| 01:54.44 | Smubeht | seconds Eguy's oil: epic win |
| 01:54.55 | oil | wait wtf, eguy is back? |
| 01:56.27 | *** join/#webos-internals hckyplayer024 (n=hckyplay@ip68-6-119-191.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 01:57.25 | *** join/#webos-internals cashen (n=cashen@c-68-60-176-25.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 01:57.32 | *** part/#webos-internals Manifest (n=adam@cpe-66-61-70-96.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 01:57.58 | *** join/#webos-internals jrmuizel (n=jrmuizel@CPE001f5be79d0f-CM0017ee62f8b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 01:58.03 | *** join/#webos-internals Abyssul (n=Abyssul@cpe-075-176-175-108.sc.res.rr.com) |
| 01:58.16 | rwhitby | wb Eguy |
| 01:59.29 | oil | missed eguy for the buildup to 131 launch |
| 01:59.43 | oil | for when anyone asked "whens x being released?" |
| 01:59.51 | oil | he could reply with "tomorrow" |
| 01:59.57 | oil | every day for months |
| 02:01.15 | chrisa | The pixi reviews are pretty polarizing. It's like people received different products |
| 02:01.32 | oil | lol |
| 02:01.40 | chrisa | Engadget says "good, but price too close too pre. Wait $30 buy", then gizmodo says it's the slowest abomination of a product they have ever encountered |
| 02:03.15 | rawdr | gizmodo received a lifedrive |
| 02:03.26 | rwhitby | oil: any ideas on the theme hang? new reports are if you have show available types set to "Yes", then the problem does not occur, just about to test that myself |
| 02:03.57 | oil | just fixed it |
| 02:04.17 | oil | really, the problem is too many themes without categories |
| 02:04.35 | oil | i think we should remove them till feed managers get it in gear |
| 02:04.37 | oil | lol |
| 02:04.55 | chrisa | rawdr: lifedrive? |
| 02:05.11 | oil | all the slowness comes from getting group lists |
| 02:05.14 | rawdr | Palm Lifedrive |
| 02:05.33 | oil | the fix is to disable the dropdown in the pkg-list scene on the right |
| 02:05.44 | chrisa | I have never even heard of lifedrive |
| 02:05.59 | rawdr | I heard it was slow... on account of it's disk drive |
| 02:06.05 | chrisa | Looks remarkably expensive |
| 02:06.44 | rawdr | it's old |
| 02:06.53 | *** join/#webos-internals dBsooner (n=dBsooner@unaffiliated/dbsooner) |
| 02:06.54 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v dBsooner] by ChanServ |
| 02:09.44 | *** join/#webos-internals niploper (i=44c57d4a@gateway/web/freenode/x-qfiqbhjtzqwbgftv) |
| 02:13.57 | *** join/#webos-internals Grabber5 (i=411fc71e@gateway/web/freenode/x-feqstcxgztmhirwi) |
| 02:16.05 | *** join/#webos-internals queen (i=4838d728@gateway/web/freenode/x-umlohhnvxjjyoxsb) |
| 02:17.37 | *** join/#webos-internals mickdouglas (n=mickdoug@d149-67-166-216.col.wideopenwest.com) |
| 02:17.45 | *** join/#webos-internals hampsterj (n=wIRCer@68-27-131-78.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 02:17.54 | Grabber5 | any chance you guys are debugging the 'package manager service is not running' error in preware? :)) |
| 02:18.31 | *** join/#webos-internals zsoc (n=nghr@unaffiliated/zsoc) |
| 02:18.41 | en0x | no |
| 02:18.48 | Grabber5 | I know earlier rwhitby was looking for people having that problem to join the chat, hadn't seen an update |
| 02:19.13 | *** join/#webos-internals pocek (i=pock@83-238-145-235.ip.netia.com.pl) |
| 02:19.34 | dBsooner | ~seen rwhitby |
| 02:19.37 | infobot | rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (1d 8h 17m 1s) #oe (1d 8h 17m 1s) #nslu2-linux (1d 8h 17m 1s). Has said a total of 309 messages. Is idling for 16m 11s, last said: 'oil: any ideas on the theme hang? new reports are if you have show available types set to "Yes", then the problem does not occur, just about to test that myself'. |
| 02:20.17 | Grabber5 | whoah that was cool |
| 02:20.23 | grndslm | heh |
| 02:20.55 | *** join/#webos-internals flpalm (n=Adium@97.103.20.10) |
| 02:20.57 | oil | yeah, then he vanished |
| 02:21.08 | rwhitby | Grabber5: hi |
| 02:21.46 | rwhitby | oil: so we're good to test a new preware release with the fix? |
| 02:22.01 | oil | the fix is by disabling something |
| 02:22.09 | oil | the problem was probably there before |
| 02:22.18 | oil | but only became widespread when you set the default to available packages |
| 02:22.18 | Grabber5 | Hello Rod |
| 02:22.30 | oil | its still slow as crap |
| 02:22.31 | rwhitby | oil: does stuff in general seem slower to you on 1.3.1 ? |
| 02:22.43 | dBsooner | What's broke? |
| 02:22.48 | oil | yeah |
| 02:23.09 | oil | im thinking about building a "package count" matrix |
| 02:23.14 | oil | at startup |
| 02:23.20 | oil | which would speed things up once its loaded |
| 02:23.20 | rwhitby | oil: so we just remove the drop-down altogether? I wouldn't miss it personally. |
| 02:23.23 | oil | but counds could be off |
| 02:23.26 | oil | counts* |
| 02:23.35 | oil | if you install /remove things with settings set a certain way |
| 02:23.36 | *** join/#webos-internals Allistairr (n=chatzill@c-67-184-146-74.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 02:23.48 | Allistairr | Hey room |
| 02:24.12 | Allistairr | Anyone know of any progress with getting rdesktop working on the pre? |
| 02:24.17 | rwhitby | Grabber5: unfortunately, I have a meeting in 5 minutes, and I need to get lunch before it ... |
| 02:24.33 | rwhitby | Grabber5: if you're around in a couple of hours time we can do it then. |
| 02:24.42 | Grabber5 | rwhitby: no problem, I will keep poking around |
| 02:25.15 | rwhitby | Grabber5: maybe someone else here can run you through trying to communicate to ipkgservice via dbus and then working out why ipkgservice is not responding ... |
| 02:25.30 | rwhitby | oil: so I'll package and release to alpha a 0.9.9 ? |
| 02:26.10 | oil | id like to come up with something better before we release a quick fix and cause more problems |
| 02:26.59 | rwhitby | oil: ok. |
| 02:27.34 | rwhitby | oil: you're in the driving seat to a new release timeframe then. I don't think there's anything I can do on the service side for this one, right? |
| 02:27.36 | CoolMatty | Allistairr: unlikely we'll see anything useful for it. It falls under the same situation as most other applications that expect some sort of X system or similar (Emulators, VNC, etc) |
| 02:27.58 | oil | no |
| 02:28.01 | oil | its all in the gui |
| 02:28.04 | Allistairr | I see, what are the chances of getting X running as an individual app? |
| 02:28.21 | rwhitby | oil: ok, I can confirm the latest git fixes the problem for me |
| 02:28.27 | punzada | within webOS? slim to none |
| 02:28.31 | dBsooner | What's not working properly? |
| 02:28.46 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 02:28.53 | CoolMatty | Allistairr: yeah, what punzada said. The issue is tying it into WebOS. |
| 02:29.06 | CoolMatty | Otherwise we could just DirectFB and such, but that's a horrible mess. |
| 02:29.09 | Allistairr | hmm, not even as an emulated session of some sort? |
| 02:29.16 | Allistairr | ah... |
| 02:29.38 | Allistairr | I hear they will be updating the phone to use its GPU, any chance that could open up anything? |
| 02:29.41 | CoolMatty | WebOS is more of a browser window than it is an actual window server |
| 02:29.58 | zsoc | direcfb is full of demons |
| 02:29.59 | CoolMatty | anything's possible, but I doubt that'll do anything that would change it |
| 02:30.10 | oil | thinks its funny that the browser in webos is a browser plugin |
| 02:30.10 | oil | xD |
| 02:30.29 | Allistairr | well that sucks ;) |
| 02:30.57 | en0x | heheh |
| 02:31.59 | CoolMatty | yeah if rdesktop could be had easily on the Pre Allistairr, I'm sure it'd have been done already :D |
| 02:32.00 | punzada | Allistairr: there is a project called webGL which tries to implement opengl acceleration within the browser, that is most likely the path they will take for gpu acceleration |
| 02:32.21 | *** join/#webos-internals jrmuizel (n=jrmuizel@CPE001f5be79d0f-CM0017ee62f8b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 02:32.29 | Allistairr | I was about to say, seems like this is something others would have already looked at |
| 02:32.45 | CoolMatty | same with emulation. What I wouldn't give to play Mario World on the Pre. Alas, it was not meant to be. Yet another limitation of WebOS. |
| 02:32.46 | Allistairr | I've seen some videos of an NES emulator running, how is it doing that? |
| 02:32.52 | CoolMatty | it's an ugly hack |
| 02:32.57 | zsoc | luna is closed |
| 02:32.57 | CoolMatty | they completely shut down webos luna |
| 02:32.58 | punzada | there are some solutions for rdesktop-LIKE |
| 02:33.03 | punzada | but it's not any standard type vnc protocol |
| 02:33.06 | zsoc | luna doesn't share well |
| 02:33.18 | Allistairr | luna is an alternative to X ? |
| 02:33.19 | CoolMatty | you basically have to start the emulator from a remote terminal |
| 02:33.23 | *** join/#webos-internals ice-11 (n=ice@206.47.201.123) |
| 02:33.32 | CoolMatty | and also quit it from said terminal |
| 02:33.41 | punzada | naw luna is just a binary service that handles a lot of the phones tasks |
| 02:33.42 | zsoc | Allistairr, luna is a GUI, like X |
| 02:33.46 | CoolMatty | so you lose all phone functionality, etc. |
| 02:33.52 | punzada | oh, i'm thinking of something else |
| 02:33.58 | punzada | dont mind me,, i just woke up from a nap |
| 02:35.05 | *** join/#webos-internals svera86 (i=63cb9c41@gateway/web/freenode/x-fwumbikhnpcidifo) |
| 02:35.10 | Allistairr | hmm... |
| 02:36.01 | Allistairr | is luna rendering the GUI and the gui is something different... or is luna the gui itself |
| 02:36.03 | *** join/#webos-internals haeffb (n=IceChat7@68.234.104.17) |
| 02:36.38 | CoolMatty | luna serves up the browser display upon which the webOS applications/code runs |
| 02:36.50 | zsoc | That sounds more accurate |
| 02:36.55 | zsoc | But if you pkill Luna, the gui restarts ;) |
| 02:37.01 | CoolMatty | yep |
| 02:37.02 | Allistairr | ya I saw that |
| 02:37.09 | zsoc | technically webos is uh... a website :P |
| 02:37.18 | CoolMatty | imagine as if Firefox was it's own X system |
| 02:37.27 | CoolMatty | that's basically what you're talking about here :p |
| 02:37.39 | zsoc | and firefox ran with directfb :P |
| 02:37.48 | Allistairr | gotcha |
| 02:38.00 | Allistairr | could something like this be the way to go then for an emulator on the phone? http://benfirshman.com/projects/jsnes/ |
| 02:38.32 | zsoc | We need to find a way to get Luna to share the fb, and wrap fb access into a card/plugin |
| 02:38.34 | punzada | probably one of the best bets, idk if webos renders it quickly enough |
| 02:38.40 | CoolMatty | alkos333: not with any respectable speed |
| 02:38.52 | alkos333 | CoolMatty: ??? |
| 02:39.00 | CoolMatty | err |
| 02:39.00 | alkos333 | wrong tab completion? |
| 02:39.03 | zsoc | that's the other problem, with no gpu access nothing would render at reasonable speeds |
| 02:39.03 | CoolMatty | yea |
| 02:39.03 | CoolMatty | :p |
| 02:39.09 | Allistairr | how is that "classic" app handling things? |
| 02:39.24 | Allistairr | I was reading it pulls off running emulators and remote apps pretty well |
| 02:39.25 | CoolMatty | it's doing pretty well as long as you don't ask anything crazy of it |
| 02:39.39 | CoolMatty | emulators, I'd say no, outside of one NES emulator |
| 02:39.43 | CoolMatty | VNC's okay |
| 02:39.53 | CoolMatty | but classic is annoying to use in general |
| 02:40.21 | Allistairr | I agree, I was very disappointed with Classic, but was fun to play with |
| 02:41.23 | punzada | I never used any previous palmos device for any signifigant amount of time to ever be interested with classic |
| 02:41.33 | *** join/#webos-internals entity- (n=entity@d207-6-78-223.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 02:41.58 | Allistairr | so....... basically rdesktop / emulators really isn't happening |
| 02:42.02 | Allistairr | unless they open something up of course? |
| 02:42.05 | *** join/#webos-internals gpfountz (n=greg@pool-71-171-18-243.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) |
| 02:42.24 | CoolMatty | the only way you're going to see it as it is now is some plugin a la Terminal app |
| 02:42.33 | Grabber5 | the only worthwile app I had for palmos was docs2go v6 or something, but classic was too unstable for me to fool with it |
| 02:43.26 | zsoc | What is this? Constructive internals conversation? in MY #webos-internals? Impossible. |
| 02:43.42 | Allistairr | <---- Radiates Productivity :) |
| 02:44.00 | Allistairr | So, as a plugin.... what's the first step to get something like that goin ! |
| 02:44.15 | Allistairr | say... with rdesktop |
| 02:44.22 | zsoc | Finding ameng, first. |
| 02:44.47 | zsoc | Then making him write up documentation about his work, and release all of his work, which i don't think he'd have a problem with (assuming he already hasn't) |
| 02:44.54 | Allistairr | her's the guy that made the terminal? |
| 02:45.00 | Grabber5 | i better get the kids put in bed so i have time to hang out and chat |
| 02:45.19 | bougyman | i bought Classic in the hopes pocketTunes would work on it, but alas it did not. |
| 02:45.22 | zsoc | Er, he's done the most directfb work. Terminal is an interesting plugin wrapper, but doesn't really help us |
| 02:45.41 | bougyman | one of the releases (1.2.1, i think) fixed my probs with streaming from icecast2, though, so I was happy again. |
| 02:45.59 | CoolMatty | unfortunately a plugin is the only thing that'll get close |
| 02:46.13 | zsoc | icecast streaming actually works pretty well on the pre |
| 02:46.14 | Allistairr | So, ameng = the hero and bad ass? |
| 02:46.21 | Allistairr | the only hero and bad ass |
| 02:46.22 | bougyman | zsoc: it didn't at first. |
| 02:46.33 | bougyman | it does now, as good or better than pockettunes. |
| 02:46.39 | zsoc | Allistairr, sort of.. he knows more than everyone else about directfb. |
| 02:46.50 | zsoc | bougyman, not sure what you're referring to, but i have it packed into a gstreamer pipeline |
| 02:46.57 | zsoc | it's audio only, tho |
| 02:46.58 | bougyman | especially since I can switch to the browser and use pitchfork to control the mpd stream behind icecast without making the stream spotty |
| 02:47.11 | en0x | does the guy who wrote NaNPlayer hangs here? |
| 02:47.12 | bougyman | zsoc: oh, i just go to the url in the web browser. |
| 02:47.33 | zsoc | bougyman, ah, im sorry, i meant icecast SERVER, not client :) |
| 02:47.35 | en0x | i would love to play with that app |
| 02:47.38 | Allistairr | does ameng hang out in this channel? |
| 02:47.43 | Allistairr | oh.. I see he is on this channel |
| 02:47.44 | bougyman | zsoc: gotcha. |
| 02:48.16 | bougyman | so i finally found some sites saying usbnet and vista is not possible? |
| 02:48.25 | *** join/#webos-internals AZero (n=user@76-193-146-161.lightspeed.kscymo.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:48.35 | bougyman | that's dissapointing. |
| 02:48.49 | zsoc | 1.) install linux 2.) usbnet works automagically |
| 02:48.52 | en0x | vista sucks by default |
| 02:49.01 | bougyman | zsoc: yeah that's great for me, not for others. |
| 02:49.02 | Allistairr | I used an XP VM in vista |
| 02:49.09 | bougyman | i never had a problem, always access the pre from linux |
| 02:49.10 | Allistairr | bougyman: for usbnet |
| 02:49.22 | zsoc | win 7 pro has a good xp emu |
| 02:49.24 | bougyman | Allistairr: not an option for them, either, i'm sure. |
| 02:49.43 | Allistairr | how is it not?, my xp vm is 4 GB and works great |
| 02:50.21 | bougyman | licensing is a $99 hit, i think, for one. |
| 02:50.44 | Allistairr | are you talking about an office or for personal use? |
| 02:50.51 | bougyman | yes. |
| 02:51.03 | Allistairr | depending on your licensing arrangement, you might have virtual machine rights for your licenses |
| 02:51.17 | bougyman | win7 supposedly works out of the box. |
| 02:51.28 | Allistairr | yea, it includes it |
| 02:51.37 | bougyman | the XP/2k inf should be modifyable to work with vista, should it not? |
| 02:51.51 | zsoc | 1.) install linux 2.) usbnet works automagically <-- also is free |
| 02:51.57 | bougyman | yeah, not for them. |
| 02:52.05 | bougyman | this isn't for me or a user who has the option of linux. |
| 02:52.10 | Allistairr | zsoc: doesn't work in all situations and ends up being a larger hassle |
| 02:52.16 | bougyman | the HP laptop doesn't run linux. |
| 02:52.31 | bougyman | and the other guy has no clue what linux even is, and no one to support him. |
| 02:52.35 | bougyman | the HP is my wife's. |
| 02:52.41 | bougyman | i think i'll go to win7 on that one. |
| 02:52.42 | zsoc | ubiquity, install ubuntu as a windows application |
| 02:52.48 | bougyman | but I don't think i'll tell him to do so. |
| 02:52.51 | Allistairr | bougyman: well, if vm isn't an option... win7 is a solid option |
| 02:52.52 | zsoc | Why is usbnet necessary to use? |
| 02:53.05 | Allistairr | bougyman: or some type of linux vm... you can make things pretty transparent |
| 02:53.08 | bougyman | zsoc: usb tethering. |
| 02:53.25 | bougyman | i suppose with a linux vm it wouldn't be too bad. |
| 02:53.39 | Allistairr | bougyman: I have the tethering workin via bluetooth though on all my windows boxes, xp, vista, and 7 |
| 02:53.42 | zsoc | Does virtualbox not support vista? |
| 02:53.45 | Allistairr | same with wifi |
| 02:53.57 | bougyman | Allistairr: then you need bluetooth. |
| 02:53.59 | zsoc | True, buy a bluetooth dongle for 40 bucks :P |
| 02:54.06 | bougyman | the ad-hok wifi wasn't working with mytether. |
| 02:54.12 | bougyman | again, this ISN'T ME |
| 02:54.24 | bougyman | zsoc: all my boxes are lin, they work with the pre, i've never had a problem. |
| 02:54.26 | Allistairr | bougyman: are you using mytether? cause the wifi works great if wifi is an option |
| 02:54.30 | zsoc | pay version of mytether works, or wait for webos internals to release a freetether app |
| 02:54.31 | bougyman | i'm trying to help other people. |
| 02:54.45 | bougyman | pay version of mytether works with XP? |
| 02:54.48 | Allistairr | yes |
| 02:54.51 | bougyman | now that's an option I can tell him. |
| 02:54.55 | bougyman | er with Vista. |
| 02:55.10 | bougyman | the free one works with XP, win7. |
| 02:55.13 | Allistairr | bougyman: I have mytether working, with wifi, on every box in the office, including other phones |
| 02:55.25 | bougyman | i just did my own iptables stuff for tethering on my own, but that doesn't solve the vista side. |
| 02:55.31 | Allistairr | bougyman: but I did buy it, thought the guy that made it deserved his own $$ |
| 02:55.32 | bougyman | Allistairr: right, that's wifi. |
| 02:55.37 | bougyman | this dude has no wifi |
| 02:56.05 | Allistairr | it might be better for this dude to consider investing in technology :) |
| 02:56.09 | Allistairr | netbooks are $250 |
| 02:56.21 | bougyman | mine were $299+ |
| 02:56.24 | Allistairr | wifi cards are $10 to $20 |
| 02:56.27 | bougyman | but I always go for the 6-cell. |
| 02:56.34 | Allistairr | heh... to each their own |
| 02:56.37 | Allistairr | but still!.... cheap |
| 02:56.39 | bougyman | and I don't think this guy is expecting to make an investment. |
| 02:56.50 | Allistairr | how about a wifi adapter? $10 to $30 ? |
| 02:57.09 | zsoc | ubuntu has very good documentation... but a wifi adapter is still the easier option |
| 02:57.37 | bougyman | who knows, i'll give him the rundown. |
| 02:57.52 | bougyman | effing vista |
| 02:57.59 | Allistairr | So.... back to DirectFB........ |
| 02:58.10 | Allistairr | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/DFBTerm_DirectFB_Terminal_Emulator this was Ameng..... and it became the sexy terminal it is today? |
| 02:58.31 | bougyman | it was sexier while it made me log in |
| 02:58.45 | bougyman | i just upgraded on friday and now it doesn't ask for u: p:, it just sends me to root. |
| 02:59.40 | bougyman | it used to do that when it was named Scary Black Screen or some such. |
| 03:00.09 | grndslm | speaking of user/pass |
| 03:00.18 | grndslm | is everything really run as root on webOS? |
| 03:00.24 | grndslm | there is no other user whatsoever? |
| 03:00.38 | grndslm | does root even have a pass? |
| 03:01.12 | bougyman | when you install optware it makes a user with sudo rights so you don't ahve to do that. |
| 03:01.18 | *** join/#webos-internals jrmuizel (n=jrmuizel@CPE001f5be79d0f-CM0017ee62f8b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 03:01.30 | grndslm | soo... then there is a password |
| 03:01.34 | bougyman | ps aux when you go to the pre with novaterm or what-not shows the diff processes and who runs them. |
| 03:01.48 | *** join/#webos-internals doodums (n=thadood@75.64.176.41) |
| 03:01.49 | bougyman | i don't know if there was one, that was a long time ago. |
| 03:01.52 | bougyman | i know I set a root password. |
| 03:02.03 | zsoc | grndslm, by default there is no password and no other users |
| 03:02.04 | grndslm | yea, i should do that for sure |
| 03:02.21 | Allistairr | does directFB support touchscreen functions? |
| 03:02.28 | zsoc | grndslm, the optware bootstrap sets up a user and a password |
| 03:02.45 | bougyman | Allistairr: it supports wacoms. |
| 03:02.50 | grndslm | zsoc: which would be... |
| 03:02.50 | bougyman | is there a big difference? |
| 03:03.01 | bougyman | google for optware pre |
| 03:03.08 | grndslm | good idea |
| 03:03.13 | bougyman | you'll quickly find the installation script |
| 03:03.21 | zsoc | Allistairr, also don't forget the camera users directfb to sink the camera pipeline to the camera app... but the code is tied up in 'palmvideosink' which is a closed source binary |
| 03:03.25 | bougyman | you have to be able to novaterm to your pre to run the wget command. |
| 03:05.02 | Allistairr | so basically............... we are waiting on palm to open things up a bit |
| 03:05.56 | *** join/#webos-internals funkatron (n=coj@c-98-223-56-78.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 03:12.40 | *** join/#webos-internals Jack87 (n=wIRCer@68-29-140-222.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 03:13.28 | jack87 | dBsooner-away: what did you end up doing to get evdo? |
| 03:13.52 | jack87 | dBsooner-away: I am having same issue with friend phone ##rtn# isn't working |
| 03:15.08 | jack87 | knock knock?? |
| 03:15.20 | en0x | wwe are not here |
| 03:15.21 | en0x | :) |
| 03:15.33 | jack87 | darn where did everyone go |
| 03:15.50 | zsoc | rwhitby, i pushed to gstservice, please check my work when you get a moment... and i need an application repo set up :) |
| 03:16.02 | en0x | jack87, they are enjoying their life ;) |
| 03:16.34 | jack87 | en0x: not allowed! |
| 03:16.43 | rwhitby | zsoc: name? |
| 03:16.45 | en0x | hehe |
| 03:16.54 | rwhitby | zsoc: email me please |
| 03:16.54 | en0x | somebody should write an app for pre |
| 03:17.01 | rwhitby | bbl (more meetings) |
| 03:17.04 | en0x | and should call it get life(); |
| 03:17.04 | en0x | :D |
| 03:17.40 | en0x | heh |
| 03:17.53 | en0x | a lot of ppl is bashing palm in that article :( poor palm ;( |
| 03:20.35 | en0x | i just wonder why they did not fix that app issue in 1.3.1 |
| 03:25.15 | zsoc | I'm ok with the pre. I think a lot of people are also. So many pixi's got activated today, Sprints OTA service got slaughtered |
| 03:26.18 | en0x | k\\\ |
| 03:26.25 | en0x | i like my pre too |
| 03:26.41 | en0x | i had wm pocket phone and it was a crap |
| 03:26.57 | en0x | this is my second smartphone |
| 03:27.11 | *** join/#webos-internals alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 03:29.01 | *** join/#webos-internals justaguy (i=ae9acdd5@gateway/web/freenode/x-chizxqsfudykdgan) |
| 03:29.18 | antianalog | i have an app request lol |
| 03:29.31 | antianalog | metrodome app |
| 03:30.38 | *** join/#webos-internals CoolMattyLaptop (n=CoolMatt@71.79.18.20) |
| 03:31.17 | sugardave | antianalog: like a stadium? |
| 03:31.34 | justaguy | so the novacom driver will not install for the pixi |
| 03:31.47 | antianalog | no, for tempos for music |
| 03:31.50 | antianalog | to record in time |
| 03:31.54 | sugardave | oh, a metronome |
| 03:32.27 | justaguy | when i point to the novacom.inf file it will not accept it. |
| 03:32.50 | antianalog | ya |
| 03:34.11 | *** join/#webos-internals Jack87_ (n=Jack@68-29-140-222.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 03:34.12 | rick_home | antianalog are you going to do it, or do you want someone else to? |
| 03:34.15 | justaguy | any ideas? |
| 03:34.25 | rick_home | the problem with a metronome app is that the palm sound support is VERY LAGGY |
| 03:34.39 | Jack87_ | hey guys... where is the log for this chat kept again? |
| 03:34.48 | rick_home | justaguy: there is no difference between the novacom for pre and pixi |
| 03:35.00 | rick_home | Logs: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/ |
| 03:35.13 | Jack87_ | thank you rick_home |
| 03:35.26 | rick_home | justaguy: can you be more specific, what is your problem? |
| 03:35.41 | justaguy | well there must be, because when i plug the pre in the device manager shows me compliance with novacom and rndis gadget |
| 03:35.59 | justaguy | while the pixi is plugged in there are conflicts |
| 03:36.31 | justaguy | im getting unable to find device |
| 03:36.38 | justaguy | when pxi is plugged in |
| 03:36.54 | Jack87_ | rick_home, how can i access yesterday's log i am not sure i see it |
| 03:38.42 | oil | http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/ |
| 03:39.12 | oil | seems like there is a problem there at the end |
| 03:39.15 | Jack87_ | oil last few days it says 0 k and they are blank |
| 03:39.19 | oil | they're all 0k since the 14th |
| 03:39.24 | oil | yeah |
| 03:39.37 | rick_home | oops |
| 03:39.44 | rick_home | we'll have to talk to rwhitby about that |
| 03:39.59 | rick_home | fortunately rwhitby I _think_ has backup logs somewhere |
| 03:40.01 | zsoc | wait? no logs? |
| 03:40.02 | Jack87_ | darn.. i cant recall what dBsooner did to get his ev back for activation yesterday |
| 03:40.03 | zsoc | NO LOGS? |
| 03:40.11 | Jack87_ | no logs |
| 03:40.12 | zsoc | caresses oil |
| 03:40.12 | Jack87_ | makes me sad |
| 03:40.32 | Jack87_ | 13-presaent no log |
| 03:40.43 | en0x | msl |
| 03:40.46 | en0x | or mls |
| 03:40.47 | Jack87_ | oil, can you recall what hash code he ended up using |
| 03:40.52 | rick_home | Jack87 dBsooner-away had to talk to sprint and put in his msl |
| 03:41.01 | rick_home | ##RTN# and then press reset |
| 03:41.02 | Jack87_ | en0x, no luck there either :( |
| 03:41.06 | rick_home | but you MUST have the msl. |
| 03:41.18 | rick_home | which requires a call to sprint tech support. |
| 03:41.23 | en0x | right |
| 03:41.38 | Jack87_ | ya rick_home thats what i told him to do he said that didnt end up doing the trick i tried it today still no luck :( |
| 03:41.43 | *** join/#webos-internals PreSolutions (n=you@71-8-196-18.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) |
| 03:42.12 | rick_home | where is he located? Has he tried driving to a different cell tower, the ev might be off at his tower due to hardware failure. |
| 03:42.31 | rick_home | if the phone works as a phone, and does not do ev, then it's unlikely a software problem |
| 03:42.41 | Jack87_ | my friend just got a new pre but they had it set to his son's number now i activated it on sprints website to his number but the phone doesnt get the ev... i am doctoring it now hope that solves the issue |
| 03:42.50 | rick_home | although you CAN turn ev off through software but unless he's been a patch addict, it's totally unlikely |
| 03:43.05 | Jack87_ | brand new rick_home |
| 03:43.06 | rick_home | jack87 you will almost certainly have to talk to sprint support |
| 03:43.20 | rick_home | the account is probably mis-set-up on their end for the other phone numbver |
| 03:43.41 | Jack87_ | sweet |
| 03:43.41 | zsoc | if data isn't on the account, or if NAI is blocked, it won't log into evdo |
| 03:43.41 | rick_home | probably nothing you can do at the phone |
| 03:43.42 | Jack87_ | did it... |
| 03:43.46 | Jack87_ | doctor fixked it |
| 03:43.52 | rick_home | on the other hand, I could be wrong |
| 03:44.00 | Jack87_ | man that was annoying |
| 03:44.13 | rick_home | ok let's see if I can do better now |
| 03:44.17 | Jack87_ | thanks guys |
| 03:44.18 | rick_home | justaguy: you still here? |
| 03:45.22 | rick_home | justaguy: ???? We weren't ignoring you on purpose. |
| 03:45.44 | justaguy | yep, its cool im patient |
| 03:46.11 | Jack87_ | rick_home, the numbers were screwy on sorints end but i fixed that from sprint.com... which by the way is annoying in itself |
| 03:46.26 | justaguy | zsoc: isnt ther way to disable nai? |
| 03:47.04 | justaguy | Jack87_: are you the same jack from the mytether forum? |
| 03:47.44 | Jack87_ | yes |
| 03:47.58 | zsoc | justaguy, uh, probably not a great way, at least not by accident |
| 03:48.01 | justaguy | hows the good fight going Jack87_ ? |
| 03:48.32 | Jack87_ | looking pretty good i think at the end of the night there will be a somewhat working solution |
| 03:48.55 | justaguy | zsoc: my sister has a lotus and inorder for her to tether the nai had to be disabled. |
| 03:49.14 | justaguy | Jack87_: any plans for the pixi? |
| 03:49.21 | zsoc | justaguy, yes, because disabling nai disables evdo.. and basically sprint doesn't care what you do on 1x |
| 03:49.43 | Jack87_ | justaguy, as soon as pre is squared away |
| 03:49.48 | justaguy | oh not sure of her connect type |
| 03:50.08 | justaguy | Jack87_: no wifi issue to fix on the pixi Jack87_ |
| 03:50.47 | Jack87_ | hehe i know.. but still have to get pre one working since there is a huge market using |
| 03:51.26 | *** join/#webos-internals bliip (n=wIRCer@cpe-065-188-212-137.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 03:52.05 | Jack87_ | justaguy, i think i replied to your pixi thread in the forum did you check it out |
| 03:52.15 | Jack87_ | in theory the pixi should work already |
| 03:52.22 | justaguy | its not |
| 03:52.47 | Jack87_ | did you install the usb driver |
| 03:53.01 | justaguy | i have a pre too |
| 03:53.20 | *** join/#webos-internals hnl4evr (i=ad7e0ca3@gateway/web/freenode/x-kekmkvictwowofzz) |
| 03:53.41 | justaguy | all the stuff was installed for the pre, i can plug the pre in and it will show in the device manager the novacom and the rdnis gadget |
| 03:54.06 | justaguy | but the pixi makes the dev man show conflicts |
| 03:54.34 | Jack87_ | ok justaguy will look into it shortly |
| 03:55.07 | justaguy | i did have the novacom working , but maybe when i did the usbnet enable command then rebooted its not seeing the pixi now |
| 03:55.07 | tictac | the new messaging popup is a pita. we need a patch to disable it :) |
| 03:56.12 | justaguy | Jack87_: i did see your reply and i have replied also |
| 03:56.17 | justaguy | before you came in |
| 03:57.33 | en0x | tictac, what new messaging popup? |
| 03:57.55 | tictac | en0x: the one that asks to copy/forward/delete |
| 03:58.05 | tictac | tap a sent message and it pops up. |
| 03:58.09 | jack87 | justaguy: do you have ubuntu |
| 03:58.20 | en0x | in txt or im? |
| 03:58.28 | en0x | or it doesnt matter |
| 03:58.34 | justaguy | i have sabayon |
| 03:58.56 | justaguy | i have an unbunti iso i can load in virtual box |
| 03:58.57 | tictac | en0x: i only use txt |
| 03:59.01 | tictac | en0x: 1.3.1 |
| 03:59.09 | en0x | i dont get any messaging popup |
| 03:59.13 | *** join/#webos-internals Ingenium13 (n=josh@c-71-199-97-226.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 04:00.10 | *** join/#webos-internals playya (n=playya@unaffiliated/playya) |
| 04:02.15 | jack87 | damn it com won't detect phone now :( |
| 04:02.25 | *** part/#webos-internals bliip (n=wIRCer@cpe-065-188-212-137.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 04:03.19 | *** join/#webos-internals kmax12-wirc (n=wIRCer@c-67-173-9-140.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 04:04.14 | tictac | http://www.flickr.com/photos/42378633@N05/4111439538/ |
| 04:04.50 | jack87 | silly me dev mode |
| 04:05.18 | oil | lol |
| 04:05.42 | en0x | tictac, its because u r touching the text message |
| 04:05.43 | en0x | lol |
| 04:06.01 | tictac | thats what i said. that needs to be disabled. |
| 04:06.56 | en0x | i give u a fast patch |
| 04:07.01 | en0x | dont touch a text message |
| 04:07.02 | en0x | hahaha |
| 04:09.00 | justaguy | i have the pixi in dev mode |
| 04:09.04 | justaguy | jack87: |
| 04:09.28 | justaguy | ubuntu is installing now in virtual box |
| 04:09.30 | *** join/#webos-internals bpdamas (n=wIRCer@70-2-31-88.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 04:11.10 | *** part/#webos-internals bpdamas (n=wIRCer@70-2-31-88.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 04:15.02 | jack87 | justaguy: can you do usb pass through and see if ubuntu detects pixi as network device? |
| 04:15.54 | jrsss | hello |
| 04:16.15 | justaguy | jack87: its almost done installing |
| 04:16.55 | PreGame- | what is te usb passthru app for? |
| 04:17.39 | justaguy | it makes french toast |
| 04:18.27 | jack87 | haha yes PreGame- that's right |
| 04:21.31 | justaguy | jack87: its scanning the mirror seems stuck @ 82 |
| 04:21.48 | jack87 | I recommend instaling via wubi |
| 04:22.11 | justaguy | its doing a new install in virtual box |
| 04:22.57 | zsoc | full install in VB is good ;) |
| 04:27.12 | justaguy | 94 |
| 04:27.19 | *** join/#webos-internals AMRCC (i=4581d64d@gateway/web/freenode/x-dgimtmfjunqxelju) |
| 04:28.54 | AMRCC | rwhitby? |
| 04:31.00 | AMRCC | oil? |
| 04:31.16 | oil | ? |
| 04:31.30 | AMRCC | you have wave yet? |
| 04:31.34 | oil | yes |
| 04:32.05 | Eguy | oil |
| 04:32.06 | AMRCC | ko...got my invites last week and wanted to make sure you and rwhitby had the oppertunity... |
| 04:32.15 | oil | Eguy? |
| 04:32.24 | Eguy | new rival to PuffTheMagic's drawing |
| 04:32.31 | Eguy | http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/359/screenald.png |
| 04:32.36 | Eguy | compliments of Templarian |
| 04:33.18 | oil | lol |
| 04:33.38 | oil | there was a discussion of what was bigger, a boatload or a buttload |
| 04:33.41 | oil | i posted http://www.boatingsf.com/photos/031105/DSC_3833_edited-1.jpg |
| 04:33.47 | oil | puff posted: http://omploader.org/vMnNlaQ |
| 04:34.16 | GuinnessX | nasty |
| 04:34.18 | Templarian | My art skills translate into my papers. |
| 04:34.20 | *** part/#webos-internals jrsss (n=wIRCer@173-129-177-69.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 04:34.22 | AMRCC | scratchin my eyes out now...tx |
| 04:34.23 | justaguy | nice |
| 04:34.25 | oil | lol |
| 04:34.29 | oil | what has been seen cannot be unseen |
| 04:34.46 | Templarian | Also thanks Eguy I misspelled Pollution. |
| 04:34.52 | GuinnessX | I liked my post: |
| 04:34.54 | GuinnessX | http://www.theboatbitch.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/butt.JPG |
| 04:34.55 | *** join/#webos-internals NightRise (n=NightRis@ip72-216-18-65.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 04:35.06 | AMRCC | now i'll have to trip over to pb to get some normal lady in my brain... |
| 04:35.12 | GuinnessX | out of context now, but still... |
| 04:35.55 | geist | runs away from the Coca-Cola plant |
| 04:36.05 | Eguy | ahahahahahahhaha |
| 04:36.14 | AMRCC | you guys know if they are makin any progress on the vk? do they need any testers? |
| 04:36.15 | Eguy | sorry I am late on the joke |
| 04:36.24 | oil | egaudet isn't here |
| 04:36.32 | oil | hes the osk guy |
| 04:36.54 | AMRCC | i figured hed be givin updates in here.... |
| 04:38.09 | Eguy | oh oil you're gonna like the heroes |
| 04:38.23 | oil | its at 57% |
| 04:38.30 | oil | .6 |
| 04:39.25 | *** join/#webos-internals bpadalino (n=bpadalin@cpe-74-74-209-219.rochester.res.rr.com) |
| 04:39.46 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v bpadalino] by ChanServ |
| 04:40.57 | *** join/#webos-internals jauderho (n=jauderho@c-24-5-170-210.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 04:41.24 | *** join/#webos-internals UrbanHillpg (i=4c7cfec2@gateway/web/freenode/x-ivrxbyzizbwojlat) |
| 04:42.03 | UrbanHillpg | rwhitby? |
| 04:42.44 | UrbanHillpg | hello? |
| 04:42.47 | oil | hello? |
| 04:42.54 | Eguy | hello? |
| 04:42.57 | UrbanHillpg | rwhitby in hereR? |
| 04:42.58 | zsoc | hello? |
| 04:42.59 | Templarian | sticks head up and looks around... |
| 04:43.01 | oil | rwhitby is afk in meetings i believe |
| 04:43.09 | zsoc | UrbanHillpg, he's in a meeting, yes |
| 04:43.20 | zsoc | Can we help? |
| 04:43.44 | hckyplayer024 | anyone know about the status of the virtual keyboard? Last I heard was it was supposed to be updated today |
| 04:44.09 | zsoc | hckyplayer024, ping egaudet |
| 04:44.19 | hckyplayer024 | ping egaudet |
| 04:44.20 | UrbanHillpg | i was having an issue with preware. Everytime i launched it, it said PMS was not installed |
| 04:44.49 | jauderho | PMS? |
| 04:45.01 | UrbanHillpg | Package Manager Service |
| 04:45.21 | Eguy | Speaking of which |
| 04:45.37 | Eguy | I need to update it |
| 04:45.41 | kesne | ~botsnack |
| 04:45.41 | infobot | thanks, kesne |
| 04:45.51 | rwhitby | UrbanHillpg: hi |
| 04:46.00 | UrbanHillpg | yurp |
| 04:46.13 | kesne | rwhitby: you're one popular guy |
| 04:46.15 | justaguy | jack87:ok |
| 04:46.17 | rwhitby | UrbanHillpg: thanks for coming back. Are you set up to start debuggin? |
| 04:46.18 | UrbanHillpg | lol |
| 04:46.24 | Eguy | bows down to rwhitby |
| 04:46.29 | UrbanHillpg | what do i need to debug |
| 04:46.29 | justaguy | jack87: still here? |
| 04:46.38 | rwhitby | AMRCC: are you on the Palm Pre wave? |
| 04:47.10 | *** join/#webos-internals ice-11 (n=ice@206.47.201.123) |
| 04:47.12 | rwhitby | UrbanHillpg: you'll need to be at the linux command line on the Pre, with the ability to cut the output of commands and paste it into webos.pastebin.com |
| 04:48.05 | UrbanHillpg | I will have to come back to that because my charger wire is not working properly |
| 04:48.05 | AMRCC | rwhitby - not yet - gotta addy for me? |
| 04:48.36 | UrbanHillpg | iwill get a new charger tomorrow |
| 04:48.49 | *** join/#webos-internals nslu2-log (n=nslu2-lo@140.211.169.169) |
| 04:49.16 | rwhitby | UrbanHillpg: ok, ping me again when you're ready tomorrow. |
| 04:49.26 | UrbanHillpg | ok thank you |
| 04:49.41 | zsoc | rwhitby, pm? :D |
| 04:50.00 | oil | ok |
| 04:50.04 | *** join/#webos-internals hckyplayer_pre (n=wIRCer@173-128-180-240.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 04:50.06 | oil | preware in git = supercharged |
| 04:50.32 | oil | dare i say its faster then it was before the slowness was noticed? |
| 04:50.37 | rwhitby | oil: sweet |
| 04:51.16 | *** part/#webos-internals hckyplayer_pre (n=wIRCer@173-128-180-240.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 04:51.27 | *** part/#webos-internals PreSolutions (n=you@71-8-196-18.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) |
| 04:51.45 | oil | rwhitby: id say its good for an 099 alpha |
| 04:51.48 | jack87 | justaguy: kinda busy I'll het back to you later |
| 04:52.03 | oil | ill tag it |
| 04:52.03 | justaguy | no problem |
| 04:52.17 | oil | and you can give it a quick once-over before pushing it for general testing |
| 04:52.18 | kesne | ~smack kesne |
| 04:52.19 | infobot | ACTION smacks kesne upside the head. |
| 04:52.31 | oil | (there could very well be problems in the new way of doing things that i haven't seen) |
| 04:52.35 | kesne | ~kick kesne |
| 04:52.36 | infobot | ACTION kicks kesne |
| 04:53.12 | gkatsev | ~botsnack |
| 04:53.12 | infobot | gkatsev: thanks |
| 04:54.36 | *** join/#webos-internals sryan (i=48bde2e5@gateway/web/freenode/x-eyzetzgyunjngwfg) |
| 04:55.28 | *** join/#webos-internals synackfin0 (n=wIRCer@173.12.29.234) |
| 04:56.07 | sryan | anyone sucessfully get palm profile stuff back (the people who lost it |
| 04:56.22 | *** part/#webos-internals NightRise (n=NightRis@ip72-216-18-65.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 04:57.31 | justaguy | sryan: i did a full erase on a pixi and once signed back into the profile the contacts were there |
| 04:58.09 | gkatsev | justaguy: you have a pixi? how is it? |
| 04:58.21 | justaguy | doing another now, i think the enable usbnet jammed things up |
| 04:58.30 | rwhitby | oil: nod on the alpha |
| 04:58.40 | justaguy | gkatsev: my gf has one, its pretty neat so far |
| 04:59.43 | justaguy | rwhitby: this pixi went haywire sometime last night when i was sleeping, i woke up and it was asking me to pick a language again |
| 04:59.50 | rwhitby | rick_home: logs are fixed, I'll look to see what I can put there for the intervening days - I think my limechat logs cover the period |
| 04:59.52 | justaguy | everything we did was reset |
| 05:00.02 | gkatsev | justaguy: cool. if i was in the market for a phone right now and not had a pre, i definitely wouldve gotten the pixi from wirefly.com for $25 |
| 05:00.21 | justaguy | pixi doesnt do wifi |
| 05:00.30 | oil | rwhitby: aren't you glad we waited a little bit for me to fix it right? :) |
| 05:00.30 | gkatsev | yeah, unfortunately |
| 05:01.07 | rwhitby | oil: I'll tell you in a couple of minutes :-) |
| 05:01.20 | oil | i don't remember how fast it was before the problems |
| 05:01.21 | justaguy | its lightweight yet feels pretty sturdy |
| 05:01.23 | oil | but it certainly feels faster |
| 05:02.21 | *** join/#webos-internals hckyplayer024 (n=hckyplay@ip68-6-119-191.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 05:07.50 | oil | rwhitby: oh, noticed a problem xD |
| 05:08.02 | zsoc | Hmm.. Jameson is good, but it's really jaded going down after a 12 year |
| 05:08.22 | zsoc | i love how applications can have 'feels'. it's pretty much wonderful and nonsensical at the same time |
| 05:08.23 | oil | dont push alpha yet |
| 05:09.16 | *** part/#webos-internals Abyssul (n=Abyssul@cpe-075-176-175-108.sc.res.rr.com) |
| 05:09.56 | *** join/#webos-internals ACap (n=acapling@c-24-118-166-49.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 05:10.49 | *** part/#webos-internals synackfin0 (n=wIRCer@173.12.29.234) |
| 05:11.31 | ACap | wow, I expected to find a lot of chatter here... must all be exhausted from a busy day! |
| 05:12.07 | *** join/#webos-internals Craftsman1234 (n=wIRCer@173-130-22-239.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 05:12.20 | *** join/#webos-internals Grabber5 (i=411fc71e@gateway/web/freenode/x-dbfevualggmxnoey) |
| 05:12.42 | *** part/#webos-internals Craftsman1234 (n=wIRCer@173-130-22-239.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 05:14.26 | zsoc | ACap, ? |
| 05:14.41 | *** join/#webos-internals allistairr (n=wIRCer@67.184.146.74) |
| 05:14.49 | oil | ok rwhitby: NOW its good for testing xD |
| 05:15.13 | zsoc | oil, oh my god, what icon was showing? :P |
| 05:15.24 | oil | they were all jumbled |
| 05:15.31 | oil | cause the reverse-lookup wasn't correct |
| 05:15.37 | rwhitby | Templarian: ping |
| 05:15.50 | Templarian | pong rwhitby |
| 05:16.14 | zsoc | rwhitby, so when can we have the binary patching argument? |
| 05:16.47 | rwhitby | Templarian: seems we need that video recorder icon sooner rather than later ... |
| 05:16.59 | Eguy | lol |
| 05:17.11 | Templarian | (was I even told about this icon?) |
| 05:17.13 | zsoc | rwhitby, oh, why didn't you tell me someone was making it? i wasted like... 48 seconds trying to make one |
| 05:17.24 | Templarian | So now? |
| 05:17.26 | Templarian | Sure. |
| 05:17.53 | Eguy | I think I heard an evil laugh after that sentence from rwhitby |
| 05:18.05 | zsoc | oil, how exactly does a reverse lookup fix speed things? |
| 05:18.09 | zsoc | Eguy, also where have you been? |
| 05:18.30 | rwhitby | Templarian: gnu tar, gstreamer library, gstreamer service, video recorder application (name to be announced later), backup utility service, backup utility application |
| 05:19.14 | Templarian | You know how lucky you guys are that L4D2 for some reason isn't unlocking. |
| 05:19.24 | oil | zsoc: before, when a package wanted to know which item it was in the massive package array for use in the mojo lists |
| 05:19.31 | zsoc | rwhitby, er.. and the video recorder app icon might want to reflect the idea it can record audio only too... |
| 05:19.32 | oil | it was looping the entire package array looking for itself |
| 05:19.42 | oil | now i pre-build a reverse-lookup |
| 05:19.46 | zsoc | oil, oh.. so.. it goes backwards? And finds itself faster? |
| 05:19.47 | oil | so it only loops it once to build the list |
| 05:19.52 | oil | somewhat |
| 05:19.52 | oil | lol |
| 05:19.53 | zsoc | oh. |
| 05:19.57 | oil | it doesn't loop at all |
| 05:19.58 | oil | each package |
| 05:20.00 | zsoc | yeah i don't get it, that's ok :D good work |
| 05:20.05 | oil | like |
| 05:20.15 | oil | the array is 0->package 1->package 2->package |
| 05:20.18 | oil | the reverse loopup is |
| 05:20.26 | oil | package->0, package->1 |
| 05:20.26 | oil | etc |
| 05:20.39 | zsoc | interesting |
| 05:20.48 | Grabber5 | i like what i'm hearing about icons :)) |
| 05:20.49 | oil | lookup* |
| 05:21.03 | zsoc | Grabber5, you heard nothing |
| 05:21.06 | oil | and i changed the way it generates the list for group display |
| 05:21.09 | rwhitby | oil: startup-assistant.js changelog for 0.9.9 ? |
| 05:21.10 | Eguy | zsoc: I have been around |
| 05:21.11 | oil | to only loop through the package list once |
| 05:21.12 | Grabber5 | :D |
| 05:21.19 | oil | oh, i forgot startup assistant xD |
| 05:21.29 | zsoc | Eguy, you haven't been talking much |
| 05:21.33 | Eguy | nah |
| 05:21.36 | Grabber5 | i know nuhsink |
| 05:21.38 | Eguy | sick of webOS |
| 05:21.44 | zsoc | ah, got it ;) |
| 05:21.57 | Eguy | too early in development to be public release |
| 05:21.58 | oil | makes changelog "MASSIVE SPEED BOOST!" |
| 05:22.12 | oil | xD |
| 05:23.08 | justaguy | where can i download the gnu patch and the diffstat? |
| 05:23.10 | oil | ok rwhitby, tagged |
| 05:23.17 | *** join/#webos-internals mrjcarter (n=wIRCer@pool-72-66-254-62.ronkva.east.verizon.net) |
| 05:23.34 | Eguy | lol it's like a military op in here |
| 05:23.55 | zsoc | ? |
| 05:24.05 | rwhitby | justaguy: preware |
| 05:24.10 | oil | wait |
| 05:24.12 | oil | dont push it |
| 05:24.18 | oil | randomly found another bug :/ |
| 05:24.23 | Eguy | LOL |
| 05:24.26 | Grabber5 | justaguy: webosqi downloaded them when i opened the tweaks menuitem |
| 05:24.33 | Eguy | sounds like palm testing |
| 05:24.40 | justaguy | rwhitby: im on the pixi remember |
| 05:24.42 | Eguy | wait don't release the pre ye.... |
| 05:24.43 | Grabber5 | since I can't use preware :( |
| 05:24.44 | zsoc | oh i miss that eguy commentary |
| 05:24.54 | Eguy | crap! |
| 05:24.55 | rwhitby | justaguy: yep, latest package manager service installs the correct ones |
| 05:25.14 | rwhitby | justaguy: did you miss the tweet and precentral front-page article about Pixi Patching |
| 05:25.31 | justaguy | it doesnt work |
| 05:25.49 | rwhitby | justaguy: did you revert arch.conf changes? |
| 05:25.53 | justaguy | i still get the error that it cannot find |
| 05:26.12 | justaguy | rwhitby: the pixi has gone thru a full erase |
| 05:26.16 | rwhitby | justaguy: pastebin your arch.conf and webos-internals.conf please |
| 05:26.48 | rwhitby | justaguy: "full erase" (palm partial erase) or full erase (doctor) ? |
| 05:26.48 | oil | AWWWWW |
| 05:26.50 | oil | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.56 | Eguy | alright enough offtopic nonsense from me tonight |
| 05:27.15 | Eguy | tips hat |
| 05:27.32 | justaguy | rwhitby: i no longer have the org.webosinternals.conf |
| 05:27.44 | justaguy | just the arch, and it has reverted to arm6 |
| 05:27.54 | *** join/#webos-internals contraradical (i=46b9e024@gateway/web/freenode/x-huiekraqvzacgitw) |
| 05:27.55 | *** join/#webos-internals natenrb9 (n=Adium@h-66-167-169-146.dnvtco56.static.covad.net) |
| 05:28.01 | justaguy | arch armv6 21 |
| 05:28.23 | justaguy | can i just manually download the files? |
| 05:28.42 | justaguy | and add them manually via woqi? |
| 05:29.21 | justaguy | the webos qi is wanting to use arm7 |
| 05:29.32 | *** join/#webos-internals dkirker1 (n=dkirker1@pcp063446pcs.wireless.calpoly.edu) |
| 05:29.33 | grndslm | what happens if i use a meta'd-doctor without signing into my profile... use it like normally for a couple weeks.. and *then* add my palm profile later? |
| 05:29.47 | rwhitby | justaguy: have you installed preware and package manager service? |
| 05:29.58 | rwhitby | grndslm: dunno |
| 05:30.06 | justaguy | no |
| 05:30.13 | justaguy | one secphone call |
| 05:30.16 | grndslm | wonder if i should try to see if the info will merge or what |
| 05:30.17 | rwhitby | justaguy: do that first, then you can install them via preware |
| 05:31.32 | justaguy | i just did a full restore then i enabled dev mode, used my cmd to novacom -t open tty:// |
| 05:31.39 | justaguy | i got an error |
| 05:31.58 | Grabber5 | can i check the pakage manager service from the terminal? |
| 05:32.16 | rwhitby | Grabber5: yes, but it will be extremely painful for you |
| 05:32.20 | justaguy | this is the error /bin/sh: .: line 39: can't open /etc/profile.d/org.webosinternals.optware |
| 05:32.47 | rwhitby | justaguy: is that directly after a webos doctor? |
| 05:32.47 | justaguy | so i installed org.webosinternals.optware with qi |
| 05:32.49 | contraradical | I know I'm late to the party but...what was the GNU-Patch/diffstat fix? |
| 05:32.52 | Grabber5 | <- gets teh feeling he is going to have to dr to get preware to work |
| 05:33.05 | justaguy | exited and did the novacom cmd again and the error did not appear |
| 05:33.22 | rwhitby | contraradical: it's already fixed in preware. Just install Preware and use it for patches. |
| 05:33.39 | contraradical | i get an a missing dependencies error |
| 05:33.40 | grndslm | Grabber5: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/214451-how-get-homebrew-apps-tweaks-patches-working-less-than-5-minutes.html#post2034016 |
| 05:33.53 | zsoc | contraradical, install the dependencies? |
| 05:34.06 | rwhitby | contraradical: from which tool? |
| 05:34.32 | contraradical | I can't in preware or quik install |
| 05:34.58 | rwhitby | contraradical: which version of preware and package manager service. preware is the only tool that can install patches on the pixi. |
| 05:35.42 | grndslm | wosqi won't work on the pixi? |
| 05:35.44 | contraradical | 0.9.8 and... |
| 05:36.10 | justaguy | it wont work because wosqi wants to use arm7 |
| 05:36.15 | *** join/#webos-internals ACapp (n=acapling@c-24-118-166-49.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 05:36.20 | justaguy | the pixi says arm6 |
| 05:36.26 | contraradical | .9.19 |
| 05:36.51 | contraradical | @justaguy: that's what I think but IDK |
| 05:37.28 | rwhitby | wosqi does not support patching the pixi. preware is the only tool that can do it. |
| 05:37.31 | justaguy | rwhitby: and i went thru this last night , but it wasnt working exactly right |
| 05:37.43 | rwhitby | justaguy: 0.9.19 fixes it. |
| 05:37.50 | contraradical | I'll try w/preware again. |
| 05:38.32 | contraradical | what patch should I try? |
| 05:38.36 | Grabber5 | @grndslm: Those are the steps I used Saturday morning. Preware was working great until I restarted my phone, now it complains package manager service is not running. Tried removing, restarting, reinstalling, still won't work |
| 05:38.56 | justaguy | rwhitby: where is 9.19 located? |
| 05:39.14 | justaguy | not here http://get.preware.org/ |
| 05:39.16 | rwhitby | justaguy: in the public release feed |
| 05:39.38 | rwhitby | justaguy: the stand-alone installer there will update itself to the lastest |
| 05:39.45 | justaguy | ok |
| 05:39.54 | rwhitby | justaguy: are you following the installation instructions on the Preware documentation page? |
| 05:40.08 | Templarian | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons hehe my 2 second one I'm making a 3d one right now. |
| 05:40.56 | justaguy | im just using the exe file from that link |
| 05:41.21 | justaguy | it ran and said i should see the icon now , but i didnt , so im rebooting the pixi |
| 05:41.33 | contraradical | Error message when installing patches: An error ocurred, return value: 1. |
| 05:41.40 | contraradical | Collected erros: |
| 05:41.45 | grndslm | Grabber5: that sucks... =( |
| 05:42.04 | contraradical | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the followingdependencies... |
| 05:42.09 | rwhitby | contraradical: what does the URL for the optware feed say in your Manage Feeds page? |
| 05:42.33 | contraradical | ar,v6 |
| 05:42.38 | contraradical | I mean armv6 |
| 05:43.00 | rwhitby | contraradical: can you get a command line on the Pixi? |
| 05:43.13 | rwhitby | oil: your changelog entry is accurate. |
| 05:43.14 | contraradical | I haven't tried. |
| 05:43.20 | justaguy | ok pixi rebooted preware icon present |
| 05:43.24 | contraradical | With quick install or rooting? |
| 05:43.27 | rwhitby | contraradical: do you have webos quick install connecting to the Pixi? |
| 05:43.28 | justaguy | loading pkg info |
| 05:43.32 | contraradical | yep |
| 05:43.40 | rwhitby | contraradical: use the Linux command line there. |
| 05:43.48 | contraradical | ok one sec |
| 05:44.09 | contraradical | root@castle: |
| 05:44.22 | justaguy | updating preware from 95 |
| 05:44.41 | justaguy | java restart |
| 05:45.47 | justaguy | restarted preware |
| 05:45.55 | justaguy | downloading feed info |
| 05:46.02 | *** join/#webos-internals jr_ (i=48c78a3b@gateway/web/freenode/x-soalyncqbzxqutjv) |
| 05:46.11 | jr_ | evening everybody |
| 05:46.31 | justaguy | hi |
| 05:46.32 | contraradical | I don't the linux commands and I'm not familiar enough with the terminal to navigate to the directory that has the file that needs editing. |
| 05:46.39 | contraradical | If you could walk me through it... |
| 05:46.46 | *** join/#webos-internals acydlord_alt (n=acydlord@ip72-208-226-59.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 05:46.47 | justaguy | ok prewave 0.9.8 |
| 05:46.57 | jr_ | can we disable the lock screen all together? |
| 05:47.26 | acydlord_alt | hmm, my pre didnt want to follow instructions and updated itself before i could run EPR |
| 05:48.43 | rwhitby | justaguy: and package manager service 0.9.19 ? |
| 05:49.05 | rwhitby | acydlord_alt: if you've removed your theme, you can run EPR now |
| 05:49.25 | rwhitby | contraradical: cat /var/etc/ipkg/webos-internals.conf |
| 05:49.32 | acydlord_alt | surprisingly enough I'm not running into any issues |
| 05:49.55 | ACapp | quick question re: RESIZING the partitions per diomark's post back in September: Does it work? |
| 05:49.59 | contraradical | Iroot@castle: cat /var/etc/ipkg/webos-internals.conf src/gz webosinternals http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all src/gz webosinternals-armv6 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv6 root@castle: |
| 05:50.16 | rwhitby | contraradical: ipkg -o /var update |
| 05:50.17 | acydlord_alt | rwhitby, preware is prompting me to update the patches I had installed |
| 05:50.26 | oil | rwhitby: ok... NOW its good for alpha xD |
| 05:50.40 | rwhitby | acydlord_alt: are you following the webos upgrade instructions ? |
| 05:50.58 | acydlord_alt | which? |
| 05:51.14 | contraradical | updated.. back at root@castle: |
| 05:51.25 | acydlord_alt | rwhitby, it installed the 1.3.1 upgrade on me and already rebooted |
| 05:51.41 | justaguy | ok gnu patch and diffstat installed via preware |
| 05:51.44 | *** join/#webos-internals Ehsan (n=Sam2579@c-76-30-158-4.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 05:52.03 | rwhitby | acydlord_alt: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions |
| 05:52.14 | jr_ | can we disable the lock screen all together? |
| 05:52.16 | justaguy | now the tweaks menu item in wosqi opens normally |
| 05:52.20 | rwhitby | acydlord_alt: yep, EPR still works after |
| 05:52.21 | Grabber5 | man the pc gets cranky if you forget to disconnect your pre before you restart the phone |
| 05:52.34 | rwhitby | justaguy: just use preware to install the patches now |
| 05:53.09 | justaguy | which patches |
| 05:53.13 | acydlord_alt | rwhitby, i did that with the 1.2.1 upgrade. it looks like everything is cleanly uninstalling via preware, I'll run EPR once I remove the patches and theme just to make sure the file versions on device are correct for 1.3.1 |
| 05:53.20 | rwhitby | justaguy: any of the 104+ patches in Preware |
| 05:53.26 | justaguy | lol ok |
| 05:53.36 | justaguy | i thought maybe you had a specific in mind |
| 05:53.45 | rwhitby | acydlord_alt: remove the theme first, then just run EPR to remove the patches quickly |
| 05:54.14 | acydlord_alt | rwhitby, theme removed and rebooted, loading into preware now for epr |
| 05:54.40 | Ehsan | hey guys, I am having issue with emails. I am getting error icon in inbox and emails are not being pushed on any of gmail or yahoo account. Any help is appreciated |
| 05:54.49 | *** join/#webos-internals AZero (n=user@76-193-146-161.lightspeed.kscymo.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:55.03 | Ehsan | i have 1.3.1 and did full reset twice now |
| 05:55.17 | sryan | delete the accounts and readd them |
| 05:55.27 | Ehsan | already did |
| 05:55.43 | Ehsan | its weird. |
| 05:55.52 | *** join/#webos-internals v3ritas (n=veritas0@ool-182e9bd1.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 05:55.54 | rwhitby | Ehsan: no idea, sorry. |
| 05:56.08 | Ehsan | all of the accounts are showing that error icon on inboxes |
| 05:56.16 | sryan | You getting that "caution" sign with exclaimation |
| 05:56.34 | Ehsan | yes |
| 05:57.16 | sryan | How is your network signal? |
| 05:57.46 | contraradical | rwhitby: Thank you so much. I can't believe all I had to do was update the feeds. How embarrassing. Your software is fantastic. Makes WebOS so much more fun. |
| 05:58.25 | *** join/#webos-internals dug (n=Adium@24.130.185.86) |
| 05:59.45 | Ehsan | very good. And at the moment its on wifi. But all day today I didnt get any email notifications and kept on checking email manually. I thought Palm server is being hit due to traffic but its still same. Each time I add account, it sync contacts, IM and email but email is not robust like in 1.2.1. I dont get any emails. I have to check manually and on each inbox I get caution sign with ! |
| 05:59.52 | justaguy | rwhitby: what about installing quilt on the pixi? |
| 06:00.14 | AMRCC | jr_: there is a bypassPINLock patch |
| 06:00.48 | rwhitby | contraradical: glad you got it working - please update the forum thread. |
| 06:01.23 | rwhitby | justaguy: should work, but I personally haven't used quilt on the device for months, cause all the patches are now in Preware |
| 06:01.25 | justaguy | rwhitby: i will be back in about 20 minutes hope youre here then |
| 06:01.36 | rwhitby | justaguy: I'm here, what's the status? |
| 06:02.28 | justaguy | rwhitby: im going to go close my bar and ill be right back |
| 06:02.35 | justaguy | slow night im told |
| 06:06.17 | ACapp | quick question re: RESIZING the partitions per diomark's post back in September: Does it work? I'm wanting some more apps, but out of space |
| 06:07.15 | jauderho | GAK |
| 06:07.24 | jauderho | twitter's api is down for me =( |
| 06:12.51 | rwhitby | Preware 0.9.9 alpha testing: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.preware_0.9.9_all.ipk |
| 06:13.51 | Templarian | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons hehe traditional camera icon or the other one. |
| 06:14.16 | oil | bush camera? |
| 06:14.18 | oil | lol |
| 06:14.58 | zsoc | i like it |
| 06:15.09 | jauderho | wonder if I could offer google voice invites as bounty for patches I want to see =) |
| 06:15.34 | Templarian | Would be nice to get one the same quality as Palms just don't have time atm. |
| 06:16.20 | rwhitby | jauderho: they don't work outside the US |
| 06:16.35 | jauderho | okay, wave invites then =) |
| 06:16.37 | jauderho | lol |
| 06:18.02 | AMRCC | rwhitby: got a bitly? |
| 06:18.27 | rwhitby | AMRCC: http://bit.ly/3JRWnP |
| 06:20.19 | jauderho | rwhitby: btw I'm stumbling through python again =) |
| 06:21.00 | *** join/#webos-internals SMKOUT333 (i=4ba51eb2@gateway/web/freenode/x-mhvwbgrsunresvqx) |
| 06:23.24 | zsoc | The sad thing about AM, is she is primarily made of teenagers who think they're cool, and adolescents who can't grow up. |
| 06:23.47 | zsoc | or maybe there are honest to god just a tonne of unintelligent people. I can't figure it out. |
| 06:24.05 | zsoc | sorry, reading forum comments again |
| 06:24.13 | *** join/#webos-internals _acyd_ (n=acydlord@ip72-208-226-59.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 06:24.20 | oil | lol |
| 06:25.28 | zsoc | I apologize in advance for the people who are going to find their way in here after my project comes to fruition. |
| 06:25.29 | *** join/#webos-internals justaguy (i=ad76a9e4@gateway/web/freenode/x-olmpqvqocwfazana) |
| 06:25.39 | justaguy | rwhitby: im back |
| 06:26.14 | rwhitby | zsoc: over half the population is below average intelligence |
| 06:26.32 | rwhitby | justaguy: so is everything working now |
| 06:27.58 | zsoc | rwhitby, average mean maybe, but not the median ;) |
| 06:27.59 | Templarian | rwhitby: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons I cleaned up the basic 2d camera icon till I go through and make a real one. |
| 06:28.17 | Templarian | (did Palm fix the video stuff so it works?) |
| 06:28.30 | Templarian | (or did someone write a service?) |
| 06:28.37 | rwhitby | Templarian: check out our git repos |
| 06:28.41 | zsoc | Templarian, hey now, it worked without palm's help.... but after their help it works better ;) |
| 06:29.17 | Templarian | Will that icon work till a real one is made? |
| 06:29.29 | zsoc | plus now i don't have to distribute ffmpeg (well, at least not until i get ice's webos c++ service expertise) |
| 06:29.54 | *** join/#webos-internals Eguy (n=Eguy@cpe-76-172-219-51.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 06:30.09 | zsoc | Templarian, it's fine. besides i have quite a bit of testing to do.. i feel it may be more than i thought |
| 06:30.10 | rwhitby | Templarian: The WebOS Development Collective (the most collaborate conjunction of disparate development groups ever seen for the webOS platform), led by zsoc, is on the case. |
| 06:30.50 | rwhitby | s/collaborate/collaborative/ |
| 06:30.56 | zsoc | disparate development groups... you don't have to cover for me rod. I wrote specs and bribed people to make them happen, with cookies. |
| 06:31.04 | Templarian | Very nice and I'm going to sleep, turns out I won't be playing L4D2 tonight. :( |
| 06:31.20 | justaguy | rwhitby: everything seems ok thus far |
| 06:31.23 | mrjcarter | rwhitby, I should be able to install the Preware alpha using the latest webos qi correct? |
| 06:31.31 | rwhitby | mrjcarter: yes |
| 06:31.51 | zsoc | would install the alpha, but it always gets officially released 1 second after he does |
| 06:32.53 | ACapp | c'mon zsoc, take one for the team so it'll be officially released! ;) |
| 06:34.04 | zsoc | ACap, oil's bug fixing / reverting / feature finding / reverting / mis-feature fixing / reverting / fix scares me D: |
| 06:34.07 | *** join/#webos-internals djk (n=djk@ool-4573a369.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 06:34.36 | ACapp | 's gotta go to bed. |
| 06:34.44 | mrjcarter | rwhitby, I'm not running into any errors, but preware isn't showing up in my launcher |
| 06:35.07 | oil | zsoc: 099 is great |
| 06:35.26 | mrjcarter | however, installing the stable version installs normally |
| 06:36.49 | rwhitby | mrjcarter: dunno. sounds like wosqi is flakey |
| 06:37.19 | *** join/#webos-internals dalmaer (n=dalmaer@c-71-198-176-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 06:37.24 | rwhitby | oil: so is the monkey on your back or my back for custom feed add/delete? |
| 06:37.37 | zsoc | wants to add testing feed to his preware |
| 06:37.48 | oil | uh |
| 06:38.02 | oil | i think the gui is like 90% there |
| 06:38.39 | zsoc | OH GOODNESS A CHANGELOG |
| 06:38.53 | zsoc | what a novel idea |
| 06:38.59 | rwhitby | oil: can we make typing in the main screen go directly to the list of everything? |
| 06:39.23 | zsoc | oil, heck, just make universal search link to list of everything ;) |
| 06:40.30 | zsoc | 099 is snappy. you may want to consider some how suggesting explicit themes are marked from the feed |
| 06:43.51 | oil | themes need categories before that is even thought about |
| 06:44.05 | oil | and themes don't need to be duplicated in both feeds |
| 06:44.12 | *** join/#webos-internals kesne_ (n=Kesne@pool-74-107-129-178.ptldor.fios.verizon.net) |
| 06:44.23 | oil | two of each is ridiculously unnecessary |
| 06:44.34 | zsoc | true, but webos-internals could start jockey-ing for that support now... considering you don't have much control over it |
| 06:44.43 | AMRCC | rwhitby: command line for updatin with the bit.ly add? i'm missin somethin... |
| 06:44.44 | zsoc | it's just generally distasteful |
| 06:44.52 | rwhitby | oil: ah, but if it wasn't for 790 themes, you never would have needed to improve the speed of everything else which benefits everyone who disabled feeds completely ;-) |
| 06:45.03 | oil | we should remove both theme feeds |
| 06:45.09 | zsoc | disables all his feeds immediately |
| 06:45.11 | oil | and tell them the first to have categories gets back in |
| 06:45.18 | oil | lol |
| 06:45.23 | zsoc | not a bad idea :P |
| 06:46.09 | zsoc | themes seem silly, and 95% of them are so poorly made i feel bad for artists and designers that look through them |
| 06:46.34 | zsoc | the 'original blue theme' seems to be the only well thought out one... and there's 50 copies of it with various edits |
| 06:47.12 | zsoc | and the l4d theme deeply edits the phone... a lot. it's cool, but i mean, seriously. |
| 06:47.47 | oil | most of them are a gis for the subject |
| 06:47.57 | oil | then make the images fit different places |
| 06:48.00 | oil | with no thought to design |
| 06:48.14 | oil | but really, categories should be #1 |
| 06:48.21 | *** join/#webos-internals EdLin (n=EdLin@securabit/listener/edlin) |
| 06:51.44 | *** join/#webos-internals synackfin (n=Darth_Va@173.12.29.234) |
| 06:51.57 | rwhitby | oil: perhaps 0.9.9 changes the show available types back to Yes, and includes Show Other Types but excludes Show Themes ? ;-) |
| 06:53.10 | oil | thats how i roll it on my pre |
| 06:53.49 | *** join/#webos-internals foxmulder2020 (i=456ca240@gateway/web/freenode/x-gfogmqsmxdfxqhav) |
| 06:54.30 | zsoc | you got my vote |
| 06:54.58 | AMRCC | do the line numbers in the patch files have to be exact? in lookin at exmpls it dosn't seem like they have to be exact... |
| 06:56.11 | rwhitby | patch is smart - it can do fuzzy matches if the context is correct |
| 06:56.53 | *** join/#webos-internals kesne (n=Kesne@pool-173-50-235-33.ptldor.fios.verizon.net) |
| 06:56.59 | AMRCC | twas what i thought...workin on disable end call sound patch |
| 06:57.05 | rwhitby | so I guess I should package wircd 0.0.4 for the Pixi too ... |
| 06:57.28 | justaguy | rwhitby: how should i add a user since the automated way isnt |
| 07:00.43 | *** join/#webos-internals oil_pre (n=wIRCer@173-116-85-211.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 07:00.43 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v oil_pre] by ChanServ |
| 07:01.33 | *** part/#webos-internals contraradical (i=46b9e024@gateway/web/freenode/x-huiekraqvzacgitw) |
| 07:03.21 | AMRCC | rwhitby: got the command line for updatin with the bit.ly addy again? i'm missin somethin... |
| 07:03.32 | rwhitby | AMRCC: ipkg -o /var install ..... |
| 07:03.48 | rwhitby | justaguy: what's the context of your question? |
| 07:03.54 | AMRCC | ahhh... was missin the /var |
| 07:04.06 | justaguy | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps |
| 07:04.29 | justaguy | installing users, i have not how should i go about doing that? |
| 07:04.57 | rwhitby | justaguy: what's your end goal? |
| 07:05.11 | justaguy | to try and ssh into the pixi |
| 07:05.50 | rwhitby | justaguy: do you know how to do ssh keys? |
| 07:06.07 | justaguy | real rusty |
| 07:06.45 | *** join/#webos-internals roxfan (i=dunno@81.246.131.143) |
| 07:07.43 | justaguy | am also getting double # |
| 07:07.56 | justaguy | like this |
| 07:07.56 | justaguy | # |
| 07:08.32 | AMRCC | holy crap...pw = shazam! |
| 07:09.09 | *** join/#webos-internals hckyplayer_pre (n=wIRCer@173-128-180-240.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 07:10.24 | rwhitby | justaguy: if you know how to set up ssh keys, you can just use the openssh package in preware (which I'm just building now for you) |
| 07:10.55 | justaguy | youre too kind |
| 07:11.06 | justaguy | thanks for your help you have been great |
| 07:11.42 | *** part/#webos-internals hckyplayer_pre (n=wIRCer@173-128-180-240.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 07:11.48 | AMRCC | rwhitby: anything specific you want me to test in 99? |
| 07:12.19 | justaguy | rwhitby: something like this? http://www.ece.uci.edu/~chou/ssh-key.html |
| 07:12.47 | rwhitby | justaguy: yep |
| 07:14.03 | AMRCC | ruh row... just tried installin an app (precell) and pw closed itself....app did install tho... |
| 07:15.09 | justaguy | pw did that to me when i installed the gnu patch, i just reopened pw and the patch was installed |
| 07:15.56 | justaguy | rwhitby: should i move forward and get the new openssh pkg? |
| 07:17.46 | oil | just installed precell and preware didn't crash |
| 07:18.07 | oil | though im still on .17 of the service |
| 07:18.10 | oil | updates |
| 07:18.14 | rwhitby | justaguy: feeds are updated |
| 07:18.34 | AMRCC | removing precell and reinstalling again to try and dup...brb |
| 07:18.35 | rwhitby | justaguy: install openssh |
| 07:18.55 | oil | well thats good, anoutsider is ready to go |
| 07:19.07 | oil | hes first, he makes the category spec |
| 07:19.22 | justaguy | where is it located in preware i cant find it with search |
| 07:19.46 | oil | you tried just typing ssh in list of everything? |
| 07:19.54 | justaguy | yes |
| 07:20.22 | rwhitby | justaguy: did you update feeds? |
| 07:20.43 | justaguy | i think? |
| 07:20.54 | justaguy | doesnt it do that when i open pw? |
| 07:20.59 | rwhitby | did you wait on a Downloading spinner? |
| 07:21.03 | oil | sounds like lack of webos-internals feed |
| 07:21.08 | rwhitby | depends on your prefs |
| 07:21.28 | justaguy | closed reopening , says downloading feeds |
| 07:21.56 | rwhitby | You should find them in the Optware section |
| 07:22.44 | justaguy | ok i have it now |
| 07:23.05 | justaguy | shows 2 , openssh and openssh sftp server |
| 07:23.49 | justaguy | installing |
| 07:24.39 | *** join/#webos-internals hmagoo (n=hmagoo@pool-71-102-17-79.plspca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 07:25.06 | hmagoo | so I "lost" my phone tonight... left it for a few and it was gone. |
| 07:25.13 | rwhitby | ouch |
| 07:25.30 | justaguy | theres an app for that! |
| 07:25.32 | hmagoo | the bad thing is that I had the toggle data installed and had it off to save battery |
| 07:25.39 | hmagoo | I hope they turned data on |
| 07:25.45 | hmagoo | so it could erase |
| 07:25.48 | grndslm | hah... "there's an app for that!" |
| 07:25.50 | hmagoo | does it erase media/internal? |
| 07:25.50 | grndslm | he's got jokes |
| 07:26.10 | justaguy | well there is |
| 07:26.20 | grndslm | i know... that's why it's funny |
| 07:26.33 | hmagoo | idwk who has my phone so tracking apps wouldn't be much of a help |
| 07:26.40 | AMRCC | pw didn't close itself again...must of been a first time glitch....installed MyQ too all is good.... |
| 07:26.52 | grndslm | hmagoo: gps tracking would be of no help? |
| 07:26.53 | grndslm | come on |
| 07:27.08 | hmagoo | you want to know who picked up your phone and didn't return it? |
| 07:27.35 | grndslm | of course |
| 07:27.41 | grndslm | and then send them to jail for the night |
| 07:27.52 | hmagoo | you going to search the general area?? ;) |
| 07:28.06 | grndslm | uhh... i'm gonna go where the gps tracker tells me to go |
| 07:28.44 | hmagoo | I got it in early June so a new manufactured pre might do me some good anyways |
| 07:28.56 | hmagoo | what is the deductible? |
| 07:29.05 | grndslm | $100 |
| 07:29.09 | grndslm | so sorry for your wife |
| 07:29.11 | rwhitby | begins researching truecrypt kernel drivers for armv7 ... |
| 07:29.37 | hmagoo | I wish I had installed some bricking mechanism other than the palm profile |
| 07:29.46 | hmagoo | like a dead switch, heh |
| 07:30.12 | justaguy | you better hope theyre not calling jamaican sex lines |
| 07:31.07 | hmagoo | you mean they hit redial? |
| 07:31.44 | rwhitby | justaguy: openssh working? |
| 07:32.02 | rwhitby | justaguy: oh, heh, by default it's wifi only |
| 07:32.26 | rwhitby | justaguy: which is not much use on a Pixi .... |
| 07:33.09 | *** join/#webos-internals Sargun (n=Sargun@atarack/Staff/Sargun) |
| 07:33.10 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v Sargun] by ChanServ |
| 07:33.16 | *** join/#webos-internals b33j (n=wIRCer@173.6.15.0) |
| 07:33.51 | hmagoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.58 | jauderho | so if anyone here uses firefox, the jsonview extension is useful for viewing json output... |
| 07:33.59 | hmagoo | oh, so maybe data didn't need to be on? |
| 07:34.02 | rwhitby | justaguy: edit /etc/event.d/mobi.optware.openssh to enable evdo access |
| 07:34.14 | *** join/#webos-internals randallagordon (n=wIRCer@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 07:34.34 | *** join/#webos-internals hckyplayer024_ (n=hckyplay@ip68-6-119-191.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 07:35.37 | justaguy | rwhitby: shouldnt i be able to ssh to the sprint ip? |
| 07:35.44 | justaguy | port 222? |
| 07:35.53 | justaguy | im not getting a key request |
| 07:35.56 | rwhitby | justaguy: nope, not with the preware version of openssh |
| 07:36.14 | rwhitby | justaguy: did you read the description for openssh? |
| 07:36.59 | justaguy | lol just now |
| 07:37.05 | justaguy | says 22 tho |
| 07:37.11 | rwhitby | yep |
| 07:37.16 | rwhitby | it doesn't lie |
| 07:38.10 | justaguy | ok then hang a few so i can get the terminal installed |
| 07:38.33 | rwhitby | justaguy: I gotta leave now - /etc/event.d/mobi.optware.openssh tells you everything you need to know |
| 07:39.14 | justaguy | ok thanks ill see what i can do and catch you tomorrow |
| 07:39.39 | rwhitby | I'll be back later |
| 07:40.19 | *** join/#webos-internals peekorooledyou (n=peekoroo@72.184.21.249) |
| 07:41.41 | *** join/#webos-internals djk1 (n=djk@ool-4573a369.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 07:41.57 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 07:43.24 | *** part/#webos-internals randallagordon (n=wIRCer@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 07:48.52 | oil | rwhitby: unless a tester finds a bug, 009 has my blessing for release |
| 07:48.54 | oil | 099* |
| 07:49.11 | *** join/#webos-internals Draecos (n=Draecos@78.32.233.225) |
| 07:49.49 | *** part/#webos-internals b33j (n=wIRCer@173.6.15.0) |
| 07:50.15 | hmagoo | hmm |
| 07:50.47 | justaguy | oil: are you able to help me in rwhitbys absence? |
| 07:51.10 | justaguy | to apoint atleast? |
| 07:51.12 | oil | is about to pass out |
| 07:51.31 | oil | and i've never done ssh to my pre |
| 07:51.32 | justaguy | well how about i ask and see if it keeps you awake |
| 07:51.49 | justaguy | on the pre we have eth0 and ppp0 |
| 07:52.01 | oil | yeah dude, i dont know anything about that stuff |
| 07:52.02 | justaguy | but on the pixi there is no ppp or eth0 |
| 07:52.03 | oil | i just write the mojo |
| 07:52.05 | justaguy | ok |
| 07:52.32 | oil | later |
| 07:52.45 | justaguy | pixi has a rmnet0 |
| 07:52.54 | justaguy | thanks anyway |
| 07:52.57 | hmagoo | eth0 would be wifi, the so process of elimination? |
| 07:52.58 | justaguy | sleep well |
| 07:53.44 | justaguy | hmagoo: but ppp0 is replaced with rmnet0 |
| 07:53.57 | *** join/#webos-internals j (n=j@wikipedia/j) |
| 07:56.15 | *** join/#webos-internals Adora|Home (n=adora@c-24-4-224-114.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 07:58.20 | *** join/#webos-internals freakout87 (n=freakout@220-245-75-218.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 07:58.39 | *** part/#webos-internals jauderho (n=jauderho@c-24-5-170-210.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 07:58.47 | justaguy | hmagoo: you good with sed? |
| 07:58.56 | *** join/#webos-internals nslu2-log_ (n=nslu2-lo@limax.nslu2-linux.org) |
| 07:58.58 | hmagoo | nope |
| 07:59.05 | *** join/#webos-internals roxfan2 (i=dunno@143.131-246-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 08:02.40 | *** join/#webos-internals bpadalino|work (n=bpadalin@lebowski.eatcheese.biz) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 08:02.47 | *** join/#webos-internals balrog-kun (i=az258116@students.mimuw.edu.pl) |
| 08:03.03 | *** join/#webos-internals summatusmentis (n=summatus@cust-205.bos01.paraproc.net) |
| 08:03.03 | *** join/#webos-internals robertjw (n=robertjw@tn-76-7-163-57.sta.embarqhsd.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 08:03.07 | *** join/#webos-internals corecode (n=corecode@chlamydia.fs.ei.tum.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 08:07.08 | *** join/#webos-internals peekorooledyou (n=peekoroo@72.184.21.249) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 08:07.08 | *** join/#webos-internals zsoc|away (n=nghr@unaffiliated/zsoc) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 08:07.08 | *** join/#webos-internals rawdr (n=rawdr@cpe-24-209-66-172.woh.res.rr.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 08:07.08 | *** join/#webos-internals freakout (n=freakout@220-245-75-218.static.tpgi.com.au) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 08:07.08 | *** join/#webos-internals dvarnes (n=davidv@203.206.128.239) |
| 08:07.08 | *** join/#webos-internals clee (i=clee@131.252.210.190) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 08:07.08 | *** join/#webos-internals jjore (n=jjore@76.28.255.241) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 08:07.51 | *** join/#webos-internals clee (i=clee@131.252.210.190) |
| 08:10.41 | *** join/#webos-internals jauderho (n=jauderho@c-24-5-170-210.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 08:25.49 | *** join/#webos-internals nslu2-log (n=nslu2-lo@limax.nslu2-linux.org) |
| 08:45.27 | *** join/#webos-internals valexa (n=valexa@nextdesign.iasi.rdsnet.ro) |
| 09:04.17 | *** join/#webos-internals jeffgus (n=jeffgus@2002:ad33:b504:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 09:08.46 | *** join/#webos-internals djk (n=djk@ool-4573a369.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 09:10.17 | *** part/#webos-internals hckyplayer024 (n=hckyplay@ip68-6-119-191.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 09:16.03 | *** join/#webos-internals FuMan (n=FuMan@ip72-200-193-150.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 09:16.18 | FuMan | :D i see a new icon for REC ... sounds good for video recording :D |
| 09:16.32 | grndslm | in preware? |
| 09:16.46 | FuMan | its on the wiki page |
| 09:16.50 | grndslm | hmm |
| 09:16.54 | FuMan | uploaded the 17th :> |
| 09:17.12 | FuMan | i know 1.3.1 packed a lot of video-much-easier junk |
| 09:17.16 | FuMan | so, could be neat soon :) |
| 09:18.54 | *** join/#webos-internals mainya (n=mainya@122x216x10x250.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp) |
| 09:29.57 | *** join/#webos-internals grndslm (n=grndslm@174-126-14-4.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 09:31.46 | *** join/#webos-internals Guinness` (n=Slayer@c-68-55-111-159.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 09:31.50 | *** join/#webos-internals nslu2-log_ (n=nslu2-lo@limax.nslu2-linux.org) |
| 09:32.37 | *** join/#webos-internals drnull1 (n=drnull@12.200.243.194) |
| 09:32.56 | *** join/#webos-internals LurkerXXX__ (n=LurkerXX@adsl-99-128-16-189.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) |
| 09:34.53 | *** join/#webos-internals dreadchicken (n=deadchic@mars.geocomputing.net) |
| 09:34.53 | *** join/#webos-internals phish3 (n=user@66-215-254-116.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:35.05 | *** join/#webos-internals jrss (i=48c78a3b@gateway/web/freenode/x-xgrwmhpxwyenmvls) |
| 09:36.07 | *** join/#webos-internals alphaone (n=alphaone@2001:638:602:af01:0:0:0:1) |
| 09:36.21 | *** join/#webos-internals rawspot (n=rawspot@linode.opello.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:36.35 | *** join/#webos-internals corecode (n=corecode@chlamydia.fs.ei.tum.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:36.35 | *** join/#webos-internals summatusmentis (n=summatus@cust-205.bos01.paraproc.net) |
| 09:36.38 | *** join/#webos-internals droO (i=drxw@fuckn.imposterz.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:36.53 | jrss | if i install a patch through webosqi will i be able to see it once i go into preware? |
| 09:39.13 | grndslm | yes |
| 09:39.16 | grndslm | for the most part |
| 09:39.36 | grndslm | a couple "tweaks" can't be removed thru preware |
| 09:39.37 | *** join/#webos-internals j (n=j@wikipedia/j) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:40.42 | *** join/#webos-internals jauderho (n=jauderho@c-24-5-170-210.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:41.13 | *** join/#webos-internals jeffgus (n=jeffgus@2002:ad33:b504:0:0:0:0:1) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:41.33 | *** join/#webos-internals mtkatwork (n=mtk@ool-44c6fcaf.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 09:41.48 | *** join/#webos-internals mickey|bbl (i=mickey@80.81.242.146) |
| 09:41.50 | *** join/#webos-internals alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:42.27 | *** join/#webos-internals Azalyn (n=junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 09:42.38 | jrss | has palm updated webosdoctor to 1.3.1? |
| 09:44.18 | *** join/#webos-internals thatdude (i=thatdude@server1.bshellz.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:44.25 | *** join/#webos-internals chrisa (n=chris@nullcode.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:44.46 | *** join/#webos-internals joshua (n=joshua@icculus.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:47.40 | *** join/#webos-internals synackfin (n=Darth_Va@173.12.29.234) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:54.56 | *** join/#webos-internals JayCanuck (n=chatzill@S010600111186b639.wp.shawcable.net) |
| 09:55.18 | JayCanuck | hi all |
| 10:06.20 | justaguy | rwhitby: you back yet? |
| 10:25.37 | rwhitby | justaguy: yep |
| 10:26.16 | *** join/#webos-internals grndslm (n=grndslm@174-126-14-4.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 10:27.14 | justaguy | cool |
| 10:27.27 | justaguy | ok i made those changes and its not working |
| 10:27.57 | justaguy | it was a pain in the ass to get it done because i had to do a bunch of installing in ubuntu so i could use vi in terminal |
| 10:27.59 | grndslm | WTF?? i just got like 30 windows to open up and request where to download "BOUNCEATTACK.TXT" to |
| 10:29.50 | grndslm | hah.. somebody in ##security got the same attack, apparently |
| 10:29.52 | grndslm | crazy |
| 10:30.36 | justaguy | rwhitby: the pres using optware-dropbear and it does not have the eth0 in the line |
| 10:31.27 | *** join/#webos-internals huygyguhj (i=4c73e3e9@gateway/web/freenode/x-pgjcbxnpqrhflzdv) |
| 10:35.40 | justaguy | rwhitby: i removed the -i eth0 from both lines and its not working |
| 10:36.23 | rwhitby | what do you have installed? |
| 10:37.15 | justaguy | the pixi has the mobi. the pre has the dropbear |
| 10:38.10 | *** join/#webos-internals gpfountz (n=greg@pool-71-171-18-243.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) |
| 10:38.35 | justaguy | rwhitby: putty just times out when i try to ssh to the rmnet ip |
| 10:39.36 | rwhitby | justaguy: dunno. perhaps the port is blocked by your cellular provider. |
| 10:40.05 | justaguy | rwhitby: since you left last, i got novaterm working in ubuntu so i could use the terminal there to edit the file with vi |
| 10:40.26 | justaguy | rwhitby: so should i try a dif port? |
| 10:40.40 | justaguy | 222 works on the pre |
| 10:40.47 | justaguy | i tried that and got the same thing |
| 10:40.50 | rwhitby | justaguy: dunno. you're the first person in the world to try this, so we have no idea whether it will work or not. |
| 10:41.03 | rwhitby | you will have to have good knowledge of dropbear or openssh to debug it. |
| 10:41.18 | justaguy | rwhitby: i know im the first , kind of exciting! |
| 10:41.49 | rwhitby | so the best thing to do first is to read the manual page for the tool you are using, and fully understand it and any concepts contained in it. |
| 10:42.02 | justaguy | rwhitby: does it make a difference that the pixi uses rmnet and the pre uses a ppp? |
| 10:42.17 | rwhitby | dunno - I have no idea what rmnet is |
| 10:43.05 | rwhitby | bbiab |
| 10:43.41 | rwhitby | justaguy: read up on some background material while I'm gone, and we can do some debugging in about an hour if you're still around. |
| 10:48.56 | jauderho | does anyone know if it's safe to just remove the email files from /var/luna/data/emails/bucket* |
| 10:53.24 | *** join/#webos-internals leonardo (n=leonardo@host78-164-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 10:55.51 | *** join/#webos-internals justaguy (i=ad76a9e4@gateway/web/freenode/x-rdibwnjzdkckfxhr) |
| 11:18.29 | rwhitby | Preware 0.9.9 is released, with massive speed improvements and a fix for the theme hanging problem. |
| 11:22.22 | *** join/#webos-internals gpfountz (n=greg@pool-71-171-18-243.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) |
| 11:23.22 | jauderho | oohoo! |
| 11:24.39 | jauderho | MASSIVE LISTING SPEED BOOST! |
| 11:25.32 | jauderho | it does seem faster. not sure about massive tho |
| 11:26.46 | grndslm | every speed boost on webOS is massive, apparently :) |
| 11:27.28 | *** join/#webos-internals alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 11:27.36 | jauderho | I'm just super pumped to have saved a MASSIVE 48MB on /var on the pre |
| 11:27.58 | jauderho | need someone to cobble together a service/pkg together to turn this into an app. |
| 11:29.09 | grndslm | heh... it really does say MASSIVE LISTING SPEED BOOST! |
| 11:30.35 | grndslm | yea, that's quick |
| 11:30.43 | grndslm | themes load in about .82 seconds |
| 11:30.54 | grndslm | ok, a whole second |
| 11:33.18 | jauderho | I dont care about themes. have that all turned off |
| 11:34.13 | jauderho | I wish the app catalog had a way to filter for only free apps |
| 11:34.18 | jauderho | oh wait |
| 11:34.25 | jauderho | nevermind |
| 11:35.04 | grndslm | yea, whenever i start using this phone for real, i won't be using themes |
| 11:42.02 | grndslm | any specific reason that /media/internal/prethemer.txt needs to exist?? |
| 11:42.10 | grndslm | preware's spitting out an error about that file not being there |
| 11:47.55 | rwhitby | bbt |
| 11:48.00 | rwhitby | good night al |
| 11:48.02 | rwhitby | l |
| 11:55.41 | *** join/#webos-internals trim-pre (n=trim-pre@96-40-150-113.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com) |
| 11:56.22 | trim-pre | I like to try cpu scaling, anyone try it on 1.3.1?? |
| 12:05.18 | en0x | hmm im getting issues with my pre |
| 12:05.43 | en0x | i happened twice this week |
| 12:05.54 | en0x | it's not charging and i;m losing evdo |
| 12:05.59 | en0x | so i have to shut it down |
| 12:06.06 | en0x | remove battery for a minute and pop it back in' |
| 12:25.34 | en0x | anyone had some kind of issues like that? |
| 12:34.34 | *** join/#webos-internals Ingenium13 (n=josh@c-71-199-97-226.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 12:39.37 | *** join/#webos-internals leonardo (n=leonardo@host78-164-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 12:44.46 | mumbles | en0x: the onley isshue i am having is that i have slept though the alarm twice this week |
| 12:47.01 | en0x | it always go on for me |
| 12:47.40 | en0x | but i was hoping that somebody could tell me what to do. should i go to sprint and tell them about my problem? but the point is I don't want to get new pre because I will lose all my texts |
| 12:47.46 | en0x | which is a bummer |
| 12:51.51 | mumbles | en0x: mine goes on but dosent wake me up enough |
| 12:54.10 | en0x | change the tone :D |
| 12:55.19 | mumbles | yeh im going to try |
| 12:56.52 | en0x | i use furry |
| 12:56.57 | *** join/#webos-internals Ramer84015 (i=62ca7ee6@gateway/web/freenode/x-dxmensluhfcvucvp) |
| 12:56.57 | en0x | and it wakes me up right away |
| 12:57.13 | mumbles | i think its to short |
| 12:59.05 | en0x | i dont have a deep sleep |
| 12:59.07 | en0x | so its ok for me |
| 13:00.19 | Ramer84015 | Can someone help? I ran EPR yesterday morning because of the problem with not being able to open emails. The swap reply2all with move patch did not completely remove and gives me an error if I try to reapply it. Is there a way to manually remove the patch and restore the original file(s)? |
| 13:05.08 | Ramer84015 | Anyone? |
| 13:07.50 | en0x | guess not |
| 13:08.32 | *** join/#webos-internals Craftsman1234 (n=wIRCer@173-131-103-246.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 13:10.33 | *** part/#webos-internals Craftsman1234 (n=wIRCer@173-131-103-246.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 13:16.16 | mumbles | whipes pre for the the 5th time |
| 13:17.24 | *** join/#webos-internals muchtall (n=muchtall@70-99-118-66.apigroupinc.com) |
| 13:26.20 | *** join/#webos-internals Wiz1999 (i=812aa124@gateway/web/freenode/x-kwkureictwfccttb) |
| 13:28.07 | en0x | anyone knows where I can get lunaservice.h? |
| 13:32.16 | en0x | nvm |
| 13:39.55 | en0x | hmm i need two headers and no idea where to get them from... |
| 13:40.01 | en0x | json.h and glib.h |
| 13:48.24 | *** join/#webos-internals sslow (n=wIRCer@70-12-110-192.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 13:51.24 | *** join/#webos-internals flpalm (n=Adium@rrcs-71-43-242-42.se.biz.rr.com) |
| 13:53.58 | *** join/#webos-internals djk1 (n=djk@ool-4573a369.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 13:55.58 | *** join/#webos-internals mikewx (n=mikew@mail1.ifbf.org) |
| 13:58.30 | *** join/#webos-internals nt4cats (n=nt4cats@dsl092-054-196.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 14:00.51 | *** join/#webos-internals mobgod (n=wIRCer@173-101-146-7.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 14:03.04 | *** part/#webos-internals mobgod (n=wIRCer@173-101-146-7.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 14:03.13 | *** join/#webos-internals dreadchicken (n=deadchic@64.218.49.154) |
| 14:06.56 | *** join/#webos-internals mobgod (n=wIRCer@173-101-146-7.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 14:08.00 | mobgod | hello does anyone see this text ? |
| 14:09.17 | nt4cats | hi mobgod |
| 14:09.59 | mobgod | thanks cats |
| 14:10.10 | mobgod | btw hi :) |
| 14:13.20 | mobgod | so nt4cats I'm ok you can see text corrent ? |
| 14:13.36 | nt4cats | yes I can see you |
| 14:14.01 | mobgod | ok thanks for the input |
| 14:28.47 | nt4cats | bbl |
| 14:33.12 | *** join/#webos-internals entity- (n=entity@d207-6-78-223.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 14:52.22 | *** join/#webos-internals eberon_ (n=eberon@angilas.ur.northwestern.edu) |
| 14:57.58 | *** join/#webos-internals valexa (n=valexa@nextdesign.iasi.rdsnet.ro) |
| 14:59.27 | *** join/#webos-internals nt4cats (n=nt4cats@dsl092-054-196.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 15:10.27 | Azalyn | hm.. is webos 1.3.1 safe to get? doesn't break homebrew or anything? |
| 15:12.18 | *** join/#webos-internals xorg (i=ae9f6a5e@gateway/web/freenode/x-hwedizlfkwvsxjua) |
| 15:12.56 | *** join/#webos-internals yo8451 (i=429ce912@gateway/web/freenode/x-psvqwlfuwgtvvszw) |
| 15:19.52 | *** join/#webos-internals Ron001 (n=ronsorde@75-148-15-217-washington-dc.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 15:26.20 | whoDat_ | when I try to go into Themes on preware, it just hangs... ? |
| 15:30.30 | CoolMatty | Azalyn: Patches and homebrew applications are fine |
| 15:30.39 | CoolMatty | themes are a sketchy area but there are ways to get them working again |
| 15:30.46 | Azalyn | hm |
| 15:30.49 | Azalyn | ok |
| 15:30.50 | CoolMatty | just make sure you remove all patches before installing |
| 15:30.54 | Azalyn | i only have apps installed |
| 15:30.55 | CoolMatty | and then repatch after |
| 15:31.49 | synackfin | coolmatty: um, I upgraded to 1.3.1 w/o uninstalling + reinstalling patches, am I okay? |
| 15:32.17 | CoolMatty | depends |
| 15:32.42 | CoolMatty | oftentimes upgrading with patches installed overwrites the patches, but to preware and the system, they look to be installed, so it errors out if you try to reinstall them |
| 15:32.48 | CoolMatty | which is why they recommend you remove them first |
| 15:33.01 | CoolMatty | it's not always going to happen, it's a precautionary measure |
| 15:37.40 | *** join/#webos-internals jrmuizel (n=jrmuizel@mozca02.ca.mozilla.com) |
| 15:38.55 | dBsooner-work | synackfin: no |
| 15:38.58 | dBsooner-work | synackfin: you're not ok |
| 15:39.05 | dBsooner-work | synackfin: RUN EPR |
| 15:40.10 | *** join/#webos-internals Smiley_ (i=c05b4b1e@gateway/web/freenode/x-fpkotpiviuprwxfo) |
| 15:40.36 | Azalyn | epr ? |
| 15:43.14 | Smiley_ | nt4cats: ipkg -o /var list_installed showed just the latest version of Package Manager Service and Preware installed |
| 15:43.37 | dBsooner-work | lol |
| 15:43.43 | dBsooner-work | yeah I meant that to go to Azalyn |
| 15:43.45 | CoolMatty | Azalyn: Emergency Patch Removal app |
| 15:44.22 | dBsooner-work | s/Removal/Recovery/ |
| 15:44.41 | CoolMatty | thanks :p |
| 15:45.49 | Smiley_ | So preware still relentlessly tells me Package Manager Service is not running |
| 15:49.00 | *** join/#webos-internals Maulkin (n=maulkin@debian/developer/neilm) |
| 15:49.10 | synackfin | dBsooner-work: what is EPR? |
| 15:49.36 | dBsooner-work | synackfin: Emergency Patch Recovery |
| 15:49.38 | synackfin | dBsooner: oh, I see CoolMatty's message |
| 15:49.52 | whoDat_ | Anyone know what this is about? got it when installing through ipkg with terminal : (offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.messaging.postinst) |
| 15:50.03 | dBsooner-work | I can almost guarantee you that webOS updates will almost always break most patches |
| 15:50.14 | dBsooner-work | especially one that is 140MB's |
| 15:50.40 | mikewx | did palm fix the app install limit in 1.3.1 or is that future/never planned? |
| 15:50.42 | dBsooner-work | whoDat_: Yeah.. it's not running the postinst |
| 15:50.46 | dBsooner-work | you shouldn't try installing it on your own |
| 15:50.56 | dBsooner-work | you should run my preware-bootstrap.sh |
| 15:51.06 | dBsooner-work | mikewx: It's not fixed. |
| 15:51.11 | mikewx | kk tnx |
| 15:51.17 | dBsooner-work | mikewx: I can't speak for if it will be fixed in the future, as no one knows. |
| 15:51.19 | mikewx | i'm antsy to get it and try it out |
| 15:51.27 | whoDat_ | I am trying to install an .ipk off the forums |
| 15:51.34 | whoDat_ | not preware |
| 15:51.53 | dBsooner-work | what the heck is org.webosinternals.messaging? |
| 15:52.01 | dBsooner-work | can you link me to the thread? |
| 15:52.09 | nt4cats | smiley: good morning |
| 15:52.50 | whoDat_ | greg roll's messaging app |
| 15:52.52 | Smiley_ | Ah, good morning |
| 15:53.18 | whoDat_ | http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/205914-messaging-plugins-live-yahoo-icq-53.html#post2041608 |
| 15:53.45 | *** join/#webos-internals funkatron (n=coj@dhcp-242-11.cerias.purdue.edu) |
| 15:54.53 | Smiley_ | Still here, saw I had two windows of this open...closed the first |
| 15:55.00 | dBsooner-work | whoDat_: He should make an installer |
| 15:55.04 | dBsooner-work | whoDat_: but here: |
| 15:55.19 | *** join/#webos-internals nilodize (n=nilodize@p578F6FBB.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:55.41 | dBsooner-work | whoDat_: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 15:55.42 | dBsooner-work | whoDat_: sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.messaging.postinst |
| 15:55.51 | dBsooner-work | whoDat_: mount -r remount,ro / |
| 15:55.58 | dBsooner-work | s/-r/-o/ |
| 15:56.49 | whoDat_ | dBsooner-work: doh.. it just needed to be rw. okay thanks my bad. |
| 15:56.49 | dBsooner-work | whoDat_: no |
| 15:56.59 | dBsooner-work | whoDat_: when you run ipkg -o /var it NEVER runs postinst scripts |
| 15:57.01 | dBsooner-work | or prerm scripts |
| 15:57.08 | dBsooner-work | -o = offline root mode |
| 15:58.04 | whoDat_ | dBsooner-work: ahh! maybe that step you just told me to do should be added to the tutorial here? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_webOS_Installing_An_Ipk (under 3b) To install pre apps using putty |
| 16:01.41 | synackfin | btw, when is palm fixing the disk space issue with /var ? |
| 16:02.03 | Smiley_ | nt4cats: I tried all the items in your email and still the same issue...is there a way to find out if Package manager is running, and if it can be started? |
| 16:02.31 | nt4cats | Smiley_: when you ran the postinst script did you get any output? |
| 16:05.27 | synackfin | I'm getting a 404 error on roam control prefs when installing it through Preware |
| 16:05.57 | PuffTheMagic | fearphage: ping |
| 16:06.33 | synackfin | nevermind, I needed to update my feeds |
| 16:07.41 | oil | http://forums.precentral.net/2042216-post3226.html xD |
| 16:08.34 | Smiley_ | nt4cats: ya, it did, let me re run it and tell you what I get |
| 16:09.27 | xorg | synackfin: i'd guess palm will wait until webOS 2.0 to fixe the /var limitations |
| 16:10.10 | nt4cats | Smiley_: ... and after you do that, please type "tail -f /var/log/messages" {enter} in your novaterm window and then run preware. Let's see what log messages are coming out when you run preware |
| 16:10.11 | xorg | they could easily move email/attachments over to media drive but the app limit will take a more significant architectural change. |
| 16:10.22 | oil | is still surprised people found enough apps to keep around that take up that much space |
| 16:10.53 | Marajin | heh :) |
| 16:11.15 | Marajin | yeah there aren't many 'worthwhile' apps yet |
| 16:11.24 | Marajin | but surely palm saw it coming? if anyone makes a large game or something... |
| 16:11.56 | oil | my apps are only taking up like 10mb |
| 16:12.02 | oil | what are you doing with the rest of that space? |
| 16:12.02 | oil | xD |
| 16:12.31 | nt4cats | oil: eskimo porn |
| 16:12.38 | oil | ohh |
| 16:12.40 | oil | that explains it |
| 16:12.53 | Smiley_ | nt4cats:before or after I remount to ro? |
| 16:12.53 | Marajin | eskimo pr0n is the bomb |
| 16:12.57 | oil | lower the res or something |
| 16:13.06 | nt4cats | nt4cats: after is fine |
| 16:13.21 | sugardave | Marajin: the most worthwhile app is Yule Log |
| 16:13.31 | sugardave | be on the lookout for Yule Log Pro |
| 16:13.45 | oil | lol |
| 16:14.04 | en0x | who will d a screenshot for me? |
| 16:14.14 | nt4cats | I have shown Yule Log to more people in the last 5 days when they say something like "Oooh, cool, a Pre. I've never seen one. What does it do?" |
| 16:14.23 | sugardave | nt4cats: haha, cool |
| 16:14.31 | en0x | messages->app menu->preferences and accounts |
| 16:14.43 | en0x | i wonder about the system alert |
| 16:14.51 | nt4cats | sugardave: ... and if I have pandora running at the same time the Pre is quite warm. |
| 16:15.00 | sugardave | no doubt :) |
| 16:15.00 | en0x | oh nvm |
| 16:15.54 | Marajin | sugardave: what's that do? log fuel consumption? |
| 16:18.08 | oil | lol |
| 16:18.08 | *** join/#webos-internals hemna (n=waboring@nat/hp/x-tyxncjrekgcgpsla) |
| 16:18.41 | oil | goes to work |
| 16:19.13 | sugardave | Marajin: haha, no, it's an ad-delivery vehicle designed as a holiday "gee, that's sappy" app |
| 16:19.25 | Marajin | feh |
| 16:19.40 | *** join/#webos-internals zsoc_wirc (n=zsoc_wir@174-146-84-214.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 16:19.51 | zsoc_wirc | g'day everyone |
| 16:20.06 | nt4cats | sugardave: Speaking in general terms (orders of magnitude) -- ad delivery results in pennies/day, hundreds-of-dollars/second, or where inbetween? |
| 16:20.19 | nt4cats | sugardave: I'm not asking for your account balances here ... |
| 16:21.40 | *** join/#webos-internals preston (i=455ce614@gateway/web/freenode/x-acnmdvfjuopkqcml) |
| 16:22.21 | synackfin | nt4cats: most ad revenue is around $5-$100 per day |
| 16:22.26 | preston | does anyone know if it's possible to force webos to accept security certificates even if it believes they're invalid? |
| 16:22.37 | nt4cats | synackfin: thanks |
| 16:23.18 | nt4cats | is going to run yule log for a bit, send some pennies over sugardave's way |
| 16:23.23 | sugardave | nt4cats: I'm still trying to figure out how all of it works, myself...I'm using quattro wireless atm and getting about 85-90% fill rate, averaging about $0.28 per 1000 |
| 16:23.27 | sugardave | nt4cats: hehe |
| 16:23.29 | dBsooner-work | oil: did you get my message yesterday? |
| 16:23.42 | Smiley_ | Okay, I did that, but since my winxp novaterm won't copy, I've pasted screen captures in an email... |
| 16:23.43 | dBsooner-work | About the chances of Preware not updating feeds like it says its supposed to? |
| 16:23.46 | sugardave | my grand total is like $5 :D |
| 16:24.09 | dBsooner-work | Not attacking you on it.. and I totally believe Preware does exactly what it says it does and its mostly AM's messing with things.. |
| 16:24.16 | preston | especially security certificates in the email app? |
| 16:24.28 | dBsooner-work | but I have heard a lot of reports for people that have it set to "once a day" it not updating right. |
| 16:24.31 | nt4cats | I'm sure I'll generate at least $0.07 for you today. Get yourself an extra ketchup packet at lunch. |
| 16:24.41 | sugardave | nt4cats: awww yeah |
| 16:24.59 | Smiley_ | nt4cats: I sent the logs in an email your way... |
| 16:25.04 | en0x | heh |
| 16:25.09 | en0x | my preware cookie got screwd |
| 16:25.44 | sugardave | btw, anybody planning on doing ad-supported stuff, I'm working on a management system that will be like: register your ad info, cut and paste some code, add a div to your scene, and be done |
| 16:25.46 | nt4cats | en0x: not even the doctor can recover from that |
| 16:25.55 | *** join/#webos-internals dalmaer (n=dalmaer@palm-64-28-152-140.palm.com) |
| 16:26.08 | dBsooner-work | whoDat_: That page you linked me to on the Wiki is very old |
| 16:26.16 | dBsooner-work | whoDat_: It definitely needs updated |
| 16:26.18 | en0x | i will remove preware and install it again |
| 16:26.29 | nt4cats | Smiley_: opening your mail message ... |
| 16:27.10 | dBsooner-work | en0x: use my bootstrap |
| 16:27.44 | fearphage | PuffTheMagic: sup? |
| 16:27.54 | PuffTheMagic | fearphage: what was that link you sent me the other day |
| 16:28.03 | en0x | dBsooner-work, what for? i just need to reinstall preware gui |
| 16:28.30 | Smiley_ | nt4cats: sorry its screen captures..I know that must be un-ideal for troubleshooting. |
| 16:28.35 | dBsooner-work | en0x: So? |
| 16:28.46 | dBsooner-work | en0x: It does that.. and I need it tested. |
| 16:29.03 | en0x | so why should I use ur bootstrap when i can remove it and reinstall from terminal? :P |
| 16:29.03 | nt4cats | Smiley_: okay, and when you downloaded the fixed preware-bootstrap.sh and re-ran it, what happened? |
| 16:29.17 | dBsooner-work | that's what it does |
| 16:29.25 | dBsooner-work | wget http://bit.ly/dDEMO |
| 16:29.29 | dBsooner-work | sh dDEMO |
| 16:29.36 | dBsooner-work | it does it for you |
| 16:29.52 | dBsooner-work | in fact I am running it now to update to newest Preware. :D |
| 16:30.06 | en0x | lol |
| 16:31.25 | dBsooner-work | ipkgservice updated to 0.9.19 correctly |
| 16:31.26 | Smiley_ | nt4cats: same as before...let me rerun it...maybe it didn't download and just installed the file that was already onboard. |
| 16:31.55 | nt4cats | Smiley: the one you already had was broken |
| 16:32.16 | nt4cats | download the new version with (no quotes) "wget http://bit.ly/dDEMO" |
| 16:32.28 | dBsooner-work | han gon for that |
| 16:32.32 | Smiley_ | nt4cats: Ya, I'm pretty certain I redownloaded it but let me make certain |
| 16:32.32 | dBsooner-work | im looking at something |
| 16:32.46 | nt4cats | SMiley: the author (dbsooner-work) just said "wait!!!!" |
| 16:33.17 | *** join/#webos-internals jbrett (i=brett@nat/hp/x-fjzahddqeehzqsnc) |
| 16:33.23 | nt4cats | Smiley: I tought him how to program yesterday and enabled him to fix his script ... ;) |
| 16:34.04 | *** join/#webos-internals thatdude|wIRC (n=wIRCer@pool-96-224-11-204.nycmny.east.verizon.net) |
| 16:34.06 | Smiley_ | Ah...well, the dDemo short link returns HTTP/1.1 404 Not Fount...I shall wait as instructed |
| 16:34.13 | *** join/#webos-internals natenrb9 (n=Adium@h-66-167-169-146.dnvtco56.static.covad.net) |
| 16:35.11 | zsoc_wirc | 0.07 cents CPM for untargeted mobile ads? seriously, you're banking. |
| 16:36.01 | sugardave | well, I would be if I was getting more views :D |
| 16:37.00 | *** part/#webos-internals xorg (i=ae9f6a5e@gateway/web/freenode/x-hwedizlfkwvsxjua) |
| 16:37.49 | *** join/#webos-internals leonardo (n=leonardo@host78-164-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 16:38.37 | nt4cats | is running yule log and clicking on the ads |
| 16:39.02 | *** join/#webos-internals xorg-work (i=ae9f6a5e@gateway/web/freenode/x-aixyaesntrnhfsco) |
| 16:39.27 | Smiley_ | nt4cats: I should still be in a holding pattern right? |
| 16:39.46 | nt4cats | Smiley_: yep, let's wait until dbsooner is done looking |
| 16:39.57 | Smiley_ | okay |
| 16:41.07 | *** join/#webos-internals hampsterj (n=wIRCer@173-129-3-156.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 16:42.44 | *** join/#webos-internals diomark (n=diomark@c-24-23-238-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 16:47.05 | dBsooner-work | ok |
| 16:47.12 | dBsooner-work | bootstrap is fixed |
| 16:47.26 | dBsooner-work | There was an error with it not detecting the current version of Preware |
| 16:47.41 | dBsooner-work | because ipkgservice's postinst kills EVDO/1x data |
| 16:47.51 | nt4cats | Smiley_: download away |
| 16:48.00 | nt4cats | Smiley_: (no quotes) "wget http://bit.ly/dDEMO" |
| 16:48.11 | dBsooner-work | Smiley_: delete the old one first |
| 16:48.20 | dBsooner-work | wget won't overwrite |
| 16:48.20 | dBsooner-work | ;) |
| 16:48.40 | dBsooner-work | I moved the postinst run to after the preware install. |
| 16:48.42 | nt4cats | dBsooner: can he do a grep on what he downloads to triple-check he has the new version? Can you offer something unique in the new file? |
| 16:49.17 | dBsooner-work | nt4cats: grep Version dDEMO |
| 16:49.38 | dBsooner-work | # version 0.6 |
| 16:49.48 | dBsooner-work | ahh it's lowercase |
| 16:49.52 | dBsooner-work | grep version dDEMO |
| 16:50.13 | nt4cats | Smiley_: that was for you -- make sure you have version 0.6 before you run it. |
| 16:50.20 | *** join/#webos-internals entity- (n=entity@d207-6-78-223.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 16:54.19 | zsoc_wirc | grep -i ftw |
| 16:55.17 | dBsooner-work | lol |
| 16:55.19 | dBsooner-work | ignore case |
| 16:55.28 | dBsooner-work | that can be VERY dangerous if you add -R to it |
| 17:01.09 | dBsooner-work | SMS Tone Per Contact was submitted last night |
| 17:01.10 | dBsooner-work | :D |
| 17:01.11 | Smiley_ | let me try again, keep getting not found |
| 17:01.14 | *** join/#webos-internals ShadeS (i=shades@pinky.ratman.org) |
| 17:01.21 | ShadeS | it's much smaller in here |
| 17:01.22 | ShadeS | ;( |
| 17:01.37 | dBsooner-work | smaler? |
| 17:01.41 | ShadeS | so uh dev kit + programming skills = kaossilator? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LxWnHZESeg |
| 17:02.02 | Smiley_ | nt4cats: okay, now its going |
| 17:03.03 | dBsooner-work | Twee = cool |
| 17:03.13 | en0x | i prefer tweed |
| 17:03.46 | dBsooner-work | en0x: Have you tried TweeFree? |
| 17:03.54 | dBsooner-work | en0x: It's interface is awesome. |
| 17:04.52 | en0x | i have twee too 0.95 |
| 17:04.56 | en0x | from homebrew |
| 17:05.26 | dBsooner-work | i am on 1.0.0 |
| 17:05.28 | dBsooner-work | and it's awesome |
| 17:05.31 | en0x | i dont like the interface and he even said that the interface wasnt thought before and he was just adding crap... new version should have new interface |
| 17:05.32 | dBsooner-work | I loved Tweed till this |
| 17:06.30 | en0x | but i'm not saying its bad |
| 17:06.36 | en0x | everyone has their own preferences |
| 17:06.40 | synackfin | folks, I added some patches then uninstalled them, and now my phone just says "Searching..." and never seems to connect.. helP! |
| 17:06.54 | en0x | searching what? |
| 17:07.12 | dBsooner-work | i doubt a patch made your phone not connect to the network |
| 17:07.19 | dBsooner-work | what patches? |
| 17:07.22 | dBsooner-work | have you rebooted? |
| 17:07.24 | Smiley_ | not sure how I delete the old one.... |
| 17:07.39 | synackfin | dBsooner-work: I restarted luna. I installed and unstinalled the roam-only patch |
| 17:08.39 | Smiley_ | when I ran sh preware-bootstrap.sh it said okay to installing PMS...then it said: awk: /tmp/org.webosinternals.Packages: No such file or directory...then asks to install preware 0.9.8 |
| 17:08.40 | synackfin | I uninstalled them and ran EPR |
| 17:08.42 | dBsooner-work | all the roam only patch does it adds the option |
| 17:08.55 | dBsooner-work | did you change the option with it? |
| 17:09.05 | synackfin | dBsooner-work: yeah, and I changed it back before uninstalling |
| 17:09.13 | Smiley_ | nt4cats: shall I delete the old stuff with the files script you emailed me yesterday? |
| 17:09.18 | dBsooner-work | Smiley_: did you grep version dDEMO? |
| 17:10.34 | *** join/#webos-internals Smubeht (n=Smubeht@ool-44c5f456.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 17:11.20 | Smiley_ | yes: it sayspkg_ver_current=$(awk 'BEGIN { RS = ""}; /^Package: '$PKG'\n/ [print}' /tmp/org.webosinternals.Pa) |
| 17:11.21 | synackfin | en0x: it says "Searching..." where "Sprint" would appear |
| 17:11.31 | Smiley_ | on line one |
| 17:11.38 | dBsooner-work | huh? |
| 17:11.46 | whoDat_ | hmm. forgot to remove my theme before upgrading to 1.3.1 .. now when I tried to remove it, preware errored. now after i rebooted, it froze on the palm boot screen. is my only option to run doctor? |
| 17:12.03 | dBsooner-work | Smiley_: rm dDEMO && wget http://bit.ly/dDEMO |
| 17:12.24 | dBsooner-work | whoDat_: Maybe? |
| 17:12.34 | dBsooner-work | whoDat_: If it won't boot, then I would say yes. |
| 17:12.43 | dBsooner-work | unless you can get to it via SSH |
| 17:12.46 | *** join/#webos-internals entity- (n=entity@d207-6-78-223.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 17:12.58 | whoDat_ | dBsooner-work: wouldn't know it's IP heh |
| 17:13.00 | dBsooner-work | synackfin: I understood what you meant by Searching. |
| 17:13.11 | dBsooner-work | whoDat_: wifi? |
| 17:13.20 | synackfin | dBsooner-work: I got it working now. I had to do a full poweroff and poweron. Apparently restarting luna isn't enough |
| 17:13.37 | dBsooner-work | synackfin: that's why I asked if you had rebooted |
| 17:13.54 | *** join/#webos-internals chuqui (n=chuqui@palm-64-28-152-131.palm.com) |
| 17:13.58 | synackfin | dBsooner-work: I thought restarting luna = reboot |
| 17:14.15 | dBsooner-work | no |
| 17:14.18 | dBsooner-work | restart luna = reboot luna |
| 17:14.40 | dBsooner-work | it would be similar to restarting X-Windows |
| 17:14.46 | dBsooner-work | with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace |
| 17:14.47 | Smiley_ | Okay, let me try that and then I have to run off for a short bit for more work related meetings. |
| 17:14.54 | dBsooner-work | it doesn't reboot the computer. |
| 17:15.28 | Smiley_ | nt4cats: Still says PMS is not running. sorry guys. I'll reboot the phone and try signing back in when I get back. I appreciate it. |
| 17:15.31 | Smiley_ | Thanks for the help so far |
| 17:15.51 | dBsooner-work | Smiley_: the command I gave you was just to be able to download the newest bootstrap |
| 17:15.55 | dBsooner-work | then you have to run it |
| 17:16.18 | ShadeS | so is that a yes?? |
| 17:17.17 | whoDat_ | dBsooner-work: what was that thing called that uses webos doctor but doesnt completely reset your phone...? |
| 17:17.23 | synackfin | is pressing the power-key, selecting Power, and selecting Restart the same as a full reboot, or does it just just restart luna? |
| 17:17.26 | *** join/#webos-internals thatdude|wIRC (n=wIRCer@pool-96-224-11-204.nycmny.east.verizon.net) |
| 17:17.28 | Smiley_ | Ah shoot, everything started crashing...I'll try it again when I reboot everything. I'll see who's on when I get back from meetings. Thanks |
| 17:18.27 | dBsooner-work | synackfin: I think that is a full restart |
| 17:18.37 | dBsooner-work | synackfin: because It shuts the phone completly off |
| 17:19.06 | dBsooner-work | whoDat_: what do you mean? |
| 17:19.26 | dBsooner-work | whoDat_: I can't remember. |
| 17:19.39 | natenrb9 | oil and company: nice work with 9.9 works great, super fast, and themes back on, nice! |
| 17:19.43 | whoDat_ | dBsooner-work: I remember some kind of app that uses the files from web-os doctor to let you restore certain parts without having to reset the whole phone. |
| 17:19.57 | whoDat_ | maybe it's been abandoned |
| 17:20.29 | *** join/#webos-internals dreadchicken (n=deadchic@75-148-229-241-Houston.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 17:22.22 | *** join/#webos-internals destinal (n=eduprey@65.90.132.114) |
| 17:22.23 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v destinal] by ChanServ |
| 17:22.25 | dBsooner-work | WebOS Repair Utility |
| 17:22.25 | *** part/#webos-internals destinal (n=eduprey@65.90.132.114) |
| 17:22.26 | dBsooner-work | by Jason |
| 17:22.28 | *** join/#webos-internals destinal (n=eduprey@65.90.132.114) |
| 17:22.29 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v destinal] by ChanServ |
| 17:22.32 | dBsooner-work | but I doubt he has a 1.3.1 available |
| 17:23.25 | *** join/#webos-internals hello_ (i=63a75db9@gateway/web/freenode/session) |
| 17:23.25 | hello_ | hi guys |
| 17:23.40 | hello_ | anyone here think you can help a shipmate out |
| 17:23.47 | dBsooner-work | hello_: hello |
| 17:24.56 | hello_ | i messed up by installing 1.3.1 without uninstalling the patches. now they wont work. |
| 17:25.12 | dBsooner-work | hello_: Run EPR |
| 17:25.18 | hello_ | any suggestions to get this phone back on track? |
| 17:25.20 | hello_ | whats that? |
| 17:25.23 | dBsooner-work | open Preware and search all pcakges for "Emergency" |
| 17:26.19 | hello_ | ok doing it now |
| 17:26.23 | *** join/#webos-internals Templarian (n=Templari@141.218.16.173) |
| 17:26.23 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v Templarian] by ChanServ |
| 17:29.05 | whoDat_ | dBsooner-work: oh okay |
| 17:29.29 | dBsooner-work | whoDat_: since it relies on webos doctor and there isn't one for 1.3.1 yet |
| 17:29.45 | hello_ | is there a search option in preware, i cant find it. |
| 17:30.25 | hello_ | v0.9.8 |
| 17:30.34 | hello_ | am i running the right one? |
| 17:31.54 | dBsooner-work | open all packages |
| 17:32.21 | dBsooner-work | "available packages" |
| 17:32.28 | dBsooner-work | then Patches |
| 17:32.32 | dBsooner-work | then all |
| 17:32.37 | dBsooner-work | then just start typing |
| 17:32.52 | dBsooner-work | "Emerg" and it should be there |
| 17:33.10 | dBsooner-work | doh |
| 17:33.13 | dBsooner-work | its not in patches.. |
| 17:33.38 | dBsooner-work | go to "list of everything" |
| 17:33.57 | dBsooner-work | then just start typing "Emergeny" |
| 17:33.59 | dBsooner-work | you'll see it |
| 17:34.35 | hello_ | k k |
| 17:34.42 | nt4cats | dbsooner-work: I put together a web page all by myself -- you can see it here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions ... the instructions you're grasping for are step 4 |
| 17:35.01 | nt4cats | runs and hides before dbsooner squishes him like a bug |
| 17:35.10 | sugardave | hello_: you can just do 'All...' and then flick through until you get to the "E"s |
| 17:35.12 | nt4cats | err step 3 |
| 17:35.18 | nt4cats | goes back to hiding |
| 17:35.38 | dBsooner-work | nt4cats: lol.. I made that page |
| 17:35.39 | dBsooner-work | ;) |
| 17:35.45 | nt4cats | dbsooner: I know ;) |
| 17:36.01 | dBsooner-work | You fixed it |
| 17:36.08 | nt4cats | dbsooner: but I did fix a few things ... |
| 17:36.11 | dBsooner-work | I was JUSt searching for that page |
| 17:36.19 | dBsooner-work | to make sure step 4 was right |
| 17:36.33 | nt4cats | dbsooner: 99.4% your work ... 0.6% mine |
| 17:37.42 | nt4cats | a few more edits and I'll be up to 1% |
| 17:37.48 | dBsooner-work | lol |
| 17:37.53 | dBsooner-work | whatever.. it's a community thing. ;) |
| 17:38.34 | hello_ | only "move emergency call" and "limited emergency button" is showing. |
| 17:38.52 | hello_ | i dont see the epr |
| 17:39.22 | dBsooner-work | hello_: |
| 17:39.24 | dBsooner-work | I just said it |
| 17:39.25 | nt4cats | hello_: did you go all the way back to the main PreWare page/scene and select "list of everything" from the bottom? |
| 17:39.27 | dBsooner-work | go back to main menu |
| 17:39.31 | dBsooner-work | and to "list of everything" |
| 17:40.36 | hello_ | i am in list of everything |
| 17:40.44 | hello_ | and i dont see it. |
| 17:40.51 | hello_ | haha am i spelling it right |
| 17:40.55 | hello_ | emergency |
| 17:42.21 | dBsooner-work | its there |
| 17:42.35 | dBsooner-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.44 | *** join/#webos-internals egaudet_work (n=emoney_3@rhubarb.cspi.com) |
| 17:43.48 | hello_ | ok ok i'm downloading it off web quick install. |
| 17:47.31 | ShadeS | i'm wondering how rough it would be to code that... |
| 17:48.13 | hello_ | error: an error occured while attempting to run /tmp/ipkgscript.sh |
| 17:48.20 | hello_ | Note: no patches found |
| 17:49.00 | egaudet_work | that sounds like EPR to me |
| 17:49.46 | mumbles | ok this is odd, i reinstalled and now my phone crashes when i end a call |
| 17:49.49 | hello_ | so i'm good? |
| 17:49.55 | hello_ | whats next? |
| 17:54.21 | *** join/#webos-internals jrmuizel (n=jrmuizel@mozca02.ca.mozilla.com) |
| 17:54.38 | sugardave | hello_: update preware/pkgmanager, refresh the feeds , install some patches |
| 17:54.40 | sugardave | I think |
| 17:55.45 | chrisa | There does not appear to be an irc service built for pixie's arm |
| 17:56.05 | dBsooner-work | say that in #wirc |
| 17:56.06 | dBsooner-work | ;) |
| 17:56.16 | dBsooner-work | PuffTheMagic: only pays attention in there |
| 17:56.19 | chrisa | I'm in enough irc channels |
| 17:56.29 | PuffTheMagic | no not true |
| 17:56.38 | dBsooner-work | PuffTheMagic: yes, true. :D |
| 17:56.40 | PuffTheMagic | chrisa: next release there will be |
| 17:56.58 | chrisa | Just checking to see if I missed something. I had to massage preware a bit |
| 17:57.17 | dBsooner-work | why was there a regression in processors from Pre to Pixi? |
| 17:57.18 | PuffTheMagic | chrisa: rwhitby its trying to get me on the pixi bandwagon |
| 17:57.40 | PuffTheMagic | chrisa: i know the pixi is armv6 but do you know what cortex it is |
| 17:57.46 | PuffTheMagic | if that makes any sense |
| 17:58.20 | chrisa | modem is arm9, apps is arm11 if that's what you mean |
| 17:58.56 | chrisa | dBsooner-work: I presume cost and size. I don't play a part in those decisions |
| 17:59.19 | PuffTheMagic | chrisa: i was just trying to set the tuned cflags for the final builds, for the Pre i use (-march=armv7-a -mtune=cortex-a8) |
| 18:00.45 | dBsooner-work | chrisa: It's still a TI chipset and same line as the Pre's processor, no? |
| 18:00.57 | chrisa | er, not even remotely related |
| 18:01.08 | dBsooner-work | oh wow |
| 18:01.13 | chrisa | Besides them both being arm |
| 18:01.39 | chrisa | pixi uses a qualcomm chipset |
| 18:01.45 | ShadeS | what kind of latency am i looking at for this kaossilator palm app? |
| 18:02.42 | sugardave | ShadeS: pretty horrendous |
| 18:03.31 | sugardave | palm dev forum has a thread somewhere about a guy trying to make a drum machine app...works great in Safari, but fails miserably in webOS |
| 18:03.35 | hello_ | woo hoo thanks it works |
| 18:03.39 | PuffTheMagic | chrisa: can you paste me the output of 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' from your pixi please? |
| 18:03.53 | hello_ | i guess i'll stick around for anyone that needs some palm pre help lol |
| 18:04.44 | chrisa | You want v6 |
| 18:05.49 | *** join/#webos-internals Mousey (n=wtfisme@sea01-v500-nat.marchex.com) |
| 18:08.04 | ShadeS | the iFale has lots of music apps |
| 18:08.06 | ShadeS | why doesn't the palm pre |
| 18:08.12 | whoDat_ | doctoring my phone. going to take me all afternoon to get it back the way it was :( |
| 18:08.21 | ShadeS | i'm sure if i could talk directly to the screen on a hardware level then the latencyh wouldn't be bad at all |
| 18:08.29 | whoDat_ | dBsooner-work: this is all your fault. |
| 18:08.34 | chrisa | ShadeS: combination of a 2 year head start and lack of the music api being fully exposed is my guess |
| 18:08.54 | ShadeS | these apps are recwent! |
| 18:09.00 | ShadeS | -w |
| 18:09.09 | ShadeS | what code do i have to lay down to make this happen |
| 18:09.12 | ShadeS | in a way that won't suck |
| 18:09.36 | dBsooner-work | whoDat_: ? |
| 18:09.47 | chrisa | Everything people successfully do in js is foreign to me |
| 18:09.52 | chrisa | My languages need proper scope |
| 18:09.58 | whoDat_ | dBsooner-work: well, I needed *someone* to blame. ;) |
| 18:10.37 | dBsooner-work | whoDat_: chrisa then.. hes the palm engineer |
| 18:11.05 | whoDat_ | lol |
| 18:11.18 | chrisa | I blame solar flares |
| 18:11.24 | dBsooner-work | : |
| 18:11.24 | dBsooner-work | ) |
| 18:11.56 | bougyman | sunspots |
| 18:13.03 | ShadeS | in soviet russia sun spots you! |
| 18:13.11 | bougyman | finally getting two full days charge on the pre w/wifi always on |
| 18:13.16 | bougyman | yay for 1.3.1 |
| 18:13.47 | bougyman | i never got 24 hours before 1.3.1 |
| 18:15.50 | ShadeS | pff |
| 18:15.57 | ShadeS | i can almost see the battery meter drop |
| 18:16.04 | ShadeS | pandora has been running 24/7 damn near |
| 18:16.10 | ShadeS | except for when bill collectors manage to ring through |
| 18:16.11 | ShadeS | damn them |
| 18:16.39 | Marajin | ShadeS: put the silent toggle on! nobody can ring you then |
| 18:18.00 | nt4cats | streams radio on the train ride in (45 minutes) ... my battery goes from 100% to 65% in that time |
| 18:18.41 | egaudet_work | is nt4cats going in and out of tunnels with fluctuating service signal |
| 18:19.05 | chrisa | ShadeS: radio hurts the battery a lot, but I think gps is even more of a drain |
| 18:19.07 | ShadeS | the music still stops playing |
| 18:19.14 | nt4cats | egaudet_work: not tunnels, but a decent amount of the time is in 'low coverage' areas |
| 18:19.25 | ShadeS | you thikn or you know? how much power does the gps sensor pull? |
| 18:19.44 | bougyman | yeah, i noticed seriosu drain when using navigator. |
| 18:19.55 | AtomicPlayboy | comes back from the dead. |
| 18:19.59 | bougyman | a fedex truck and winnebago collided and closed down a highway |
| 18:20.05 | bougyman | i used it to find my way around |
| 18:20.11 | bougyman | went from 100% to 50% in about 1.5 hrs. |
| 18:20.21 | chrisa | You'd have to check the gas gauge, but I recall the gps chip being able to spike up to 200 mA or something silly |
| 18:20.25 | ShadeS | it should have stayed at 100% |
| 18:20.34 | ShadeS | because if your'e in a car it should be charing off your 12v battery ;p |
| 18:20.56 | bougyman | i don't charge it unless it's to 20% or below. |
| 18:20.57 | chrisa | The official car charger is something like $20 unless you buy the weird one sprint made |
| 18:21.04 | chrisa | I have whatever one is in our store |
| 18:21.05 | bougyman | doing that has been steadily increasing the battery life, i think. |
| 18:21.17 | bougyman | i have the official one, i bought it for the cable, really. |
| 18:21.23 | *** join/#webos-internals doodums (n=thadood@75.64.176.41) |
| 18:21.24 | ShadeS | i use a dc->ac converter |
| 18:21.28 | bougyman | and I have my touchstone in the car |
| 18:21.31 | ShadeS | since i travel w/ my standard wall plug *everywhere* |
| 18:21.39 | bougyman | i also have a power inverter with usb out, just in case. |
| 18:21.51 | ShadeS | i'm such a powe rleech |
| 18:21.59 | ShadeS | i barnicale myself to any hull i can find |
| 18:22.07 | bougyman | same |
| 18:22.23 | ShadeS | walk into a building it's a quick sacan for security cameras, fire exists, & power outlets |
| 18:22.59 | chrisa | It was very hard to find a power outlet in nanjing |
| 18:23.34 | ShadeS | why? |
| 18:23.46 | chrisa | The airport just seemed to not have many |
| 18:23.58 | chrisa | beijing too |
| 18:24.10 | *** join/#webos-internals justaguy (i=ad76a9e4@gateway/web/freenode/x-jotwcniobfttgrjt) |
| 18:24.10 | ShadeS | you aren't looking hard enough |
| 18:24.10 | nt4cats | in Beijing the power outlets find you? |
| 18:24.12 | ShadeS | you have to keep in mind |
| 18:24.24 | ShadeS | wherever it looks like it needs to be vacuumed frequently |
| 18:24.29 | ShadeS | means there's a power outlet near by |
| 18:24.54 | ShadeS | you need to think like a criminal |
| 18:25.01 | ShadeS | and think of how you're going to steal the power you need to live |
| 18:25.33 | chrisa | I don't think they vacuum much in the beijing airport |
| 18:25.40 | chrisa | It's sort of enormous, and tile |
| 18:25.55 | ShadeS | I love tiled airports |
| 18:25.59 | ShadeS | carpeted airports suck so much |
| 18:26.31 | ShadeS | tiled airports make me think i'm in some sort of skate park where planes touch down |
| 18:26.37 | whoDat_ | hmm can i change the email address my palm profile uses? |
| 18:28.07 | nt4cats | whoDat_:check here https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/console/pages/LoginPage.iface |
| 18:28.15 | nt4cats | (do that from your PC browser) |
| 18:28.44 | nt4cats | Yep, you can change your Name, e-mail, password, and security question there |
| 18:30.55 | nt4cats | is the googliest googler of them all |
| 18:31.50 | *** join/#webos-internals dug1 (n=Adium@24.130.185.86) |
| 18:35.10 | whoDat_ | cool thanks nt4cats.. that page is pretty burried. |
| 18:35.52 | nt4cats | whoDat_: they don't call me the "googliest Googler of them all" for nothing! (oh, okay, I just call myself that ...) |
| 18:36.47 | whoDat_ | wishes there was a cloud backup for homebrew apps. |
| 18:37.04 | PuffTheMagic | is there a service call that can shutdown a stage? |
| 18:37.11 | PuffTheMagic | s/service/mojo/ |
| 18:37.38 | *** join/#webos-internals help-me (i=4cd6c09e@gateway/web/freenode/x-ehydcpqohgwoybsj) |
| 18:37.53 | AtomicPlayboy | whoDat_: Make one. :) |
| 18:38.56 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic service call? |
| 18:39.27 | PuffTheMagic | im trying to fix this stupid 1.3.1 bug where headless app dont close |
| 18:39.38 | PuffTheMagic | the eclipse plugin makes some call |
| 18:39.43 | PuffTheMagic | that closes stages |
| 18:39.48 | PuffTheMagic | before it installs |
| 18:39.49 | *** join/#webos-internals natenrb9 (n=Adium@69.169.135.220.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net) |
| 18:39.55 | egaudet_work | well I think we need to find out WHY it isn't closing |
| 18:39.57 | PuffTheMagic | i figured we could signal the serivce to do this |
| 18:40.13 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: sure... im not saying we shuldnt |
| 18:40.21 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: but in the mean time, i want the app to close |
| 18:40.49 | egaudet_work | I think the palm-install/palm-launch from the SDK handles the closing the app to launch it |
| 18:41.05 | PuffTheMagic | yes i know, it makes a call to luna though |
| 18:41.07 | *** join/#webos-internals preston (n=wIRCer@174-154-127-115.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 18:42.11 | PuffTheMagic | ** Message: Sending stage deactivation to app: com.palm.launcher |
| 18:42.27 | preston | is there any way to force the email app to accept security certificates it thinks are invalid? |
| 18:44.58 | hello_ | looks like i did some damage control to my phone and some of the tweaks work, but some dont. |
| 18:47.02 | hello_ | capture photo with volume keys, phone app to call log, to name a few. |
| 18:47.49 | *** part/#webos-internals preston (n=wIRCer@174-154-127-115.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 18:48.06 | fearphage | PuffTheMagic: you'll have to be more specific |
| 18:48.22 | PuffTheMagic | fearphage: i thought you sent me a link about js optimizations |
| 18:48.27 | Mousey | preston: yes |
| 18:48.31 | Mousey | oh, too late |
| 18:48.54 | *** join/#webos-internals Flashpass (n=flashpas@71-6-82-200.static-ip.telepacific.net) |
| 18:49.30 | PuffTheMagic | luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/running {} |
| 18:49.30 | PuffTheMagic | ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "running": [ { "id": "com.palm.launcher", "processid": "1006" }, { "id": "com.palm.systemui", "processid": "1007" }, { "id": "com.palm.app.camera", "processid": "1000" }, { "id": "com.palm.app.calendar", "processid": "1001" }, { "id": "com.palm.app.messaging", "processid": "1002" }, { "id": "com.palm.app.contacts", "processid": "1003" }, { "id": "com.palm.app.phone", "processid": "1004" } |
| 18:49.30 | PuffTheMagic | , { "id": "com.palm.app.email", "processid": "1005" }, { "id": "com.palm.systemui", "processid": "1008" }, { "id": "com.palm.app.phone", "processid": "1009" }, { "id": "com.palm.systemui", "processid": "1010" }, { "id": "ws.junk.wirc", "processid": "1017" }, { "id": "ws.junk.wirc", "processid": "1018" } ] } |
| 18:49.37 | Mousey | flood! |
| 18:49.37 | fearphage | PuffTheMagic: sounds right but i don't know what the link was |
| 18:49.41 | fearphage | sorry |
| 18:49.45 | PuffTheMagic | oops wrong window |
| 18:50.26 | fearphage | i'm returning my pre tomorrow. not much used to me without the calendar |
| 18:50.47 | Mousey | no calendar? |
| 18:50.55 | nt4cats | "without the calendar"? |
| 18:51.04 | fearphage | exchange syncing |
| 18:51.09 | Mousey | iw |
| 18:51.10 | nt4cats | looks at his Pre's calendar |
| 18:51.26 | Mousey | can't sync calendar with exchange? |
| 18:51.31 | Mousey | i can't sync it with eGroupware either |
| 18:51.32 | Mousey | i hate that |
| 18:51.39 | Mousey | where's my SyncML?! |
| 18:52.43 | fearphage | can't sync mail or calendars |
| 18:55.18 | nt4cats | fearphage:the Pre supports ActiveSync, so why can't you get mail (at least)? |
| 18:55.52 | Mousey | i love updating preware |
| 18:56.03 | Mousey | application updat....... |
| 18:56.07 | Mousey | ^_^, reopen! |
| 18:57.22 | fearphage | nt4cats: it doesn;t support it over ssl or something |
| 18:57.53 | fearphage | it would require me to get my IT department to make changes to the exchange server |
| 18:58.23 | nt4cats | okay, so the problem is your IT department does not support the EAS access methods required for the Pre |
| 18:58.47 | fearphage | nt4cats: no, the pre doesn't support EAS over SSL |
| 18:59.32 | fearphage | nt4cats: there's a support article for IT that tells them how to turn off security |
| 18:59.36 | fearphage | i can't find it now |
| 19:00.27 | nt4cats | fearphage: there are ZERO phones that support all of Exchange's access methods (there are). Each phone has a set of access methods they support -- and each exchange server is configured to allow some subset of the access methods provided |
| 19:02.40 | *** join/#webos-internals k4p741nkrunch (n=wIRCer@c-24-60-121-34.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 19:02.56 | nt4cats | fearphage: the docs I see on Palm's support site specifically cover connecting the Pre to Exchange via SSL (e.g. the page I'm looking at now covers how to transfer IT-generated SSL certificates over to the Pre) |
| 19:03.23 | nt4cats | fearphage: http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/40069_en.html |
| 19:03.41 | nt4cats | fearphage: so the situation is not exactly "no EAS support over SSL" |
| 19:04.43 | Flashpass | wow, the list speed has improved immensely, good job guys |
| 19:05.09 | nt4cats | fearphage: I am certain that (like ALL phones) the Pre supports a subset of the available methods to connect (and authenticate) to Exchange. It is very possible that the Pre's supported option(s) are not currently configured by your IT department (and your IT department may have good reason for that decision). |
| 19:06.38 | *** join/#webos-internals Templarian (n=Templari@141.218.16.173) |
| 19:06.38 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v Templarian] by ChanServ |
| 19:06.50 | nt4cats | fearphage: ... but it is not fair/accurate to cast this as "the Pre can't sync e-mail with Exchange" |
| 19:07.04 | *** join/#webos-internals ACap_wIRC (n=wIRCer@c-75-72-106-22.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 19:08.19 | Flashpass | dBsooner-work: The preware update fixed the issue with the non-removable/updatable patch issue i had :) |
| 19:08.20 | Marajin | btw, is the pre actually push mail able or is it just polling regularily on exchange? |
| 19:08.44 | Marajin | cause I notice my pre doesn't really respond to push mails anything like as fast as my ipod, outlook clients or my old WM phones |
| 19:08.55 | Marajin | it can sometimes take a minute or two to react |
| 19:08.58 | dBsooner-work | Flashpass: Woohoo |
| 19:09.04 | dBsooner-work | Flashpass: so it WASN'T my patches |
| 19:09.11 | diomark | I freuqently get emails faster on the pre then my outlook client. |
| 19:09.18 | Marajin | diomark: odd |
| 19:09.36 | diomark | (using 4smartphone.com hosted exchange) |
| 19:09.38 | Marajin | diomark: I can understand getting it faster on my laptop really because it's wifi -> switch -> exchange server on the local network at work |
| 19:09.57 | Marajin | but they do much faster at home too |
| 19:10.06 | jamesog | I often find my work Crackberry gets emails before Lotus Notes does, which is equally baffling |
| 19:10.11 | Marajin | where both have to bounce through the internet to get to the exchange server over http |
| 19:10.19 | diomark | lotus notes is *slow* |
| 19:10.22 | *** join/#webos-internals epv (n=epv@mexico.limpoc.com) |
| 19:10.25 | Marajin | people still use lotus? |
| 19:10.29 | Marajin | I thought lotus stopped existing |
| 19:10.38 | jamesog | 'fraid so :-) |
| 19:10.42 | jamesog | IBM own it now |
| 19:10.46 | Marajin | oh dear god |
| 19:10.47 | nt4cats | My Pre feels "push-y" ... but both work and personal e-mail are "google apps for your domain" setups |
| 19:10.51 | diomark | I'm *forwarding* email from lotus notes to a hosted exchange account (I have two hosted exch accounts. one for work, one for home) - the forwarded email beats the original email by minutes sometimes. |
| 19:11.07 | Marajin | I've seen websphere I don't want to know what they've done to lotus notes |
| 19:11.22 | diomark | the latest versions are actually pretty decent. |
| 19:11.24 | diomark | (resource hogs tho) |
| 19:11.28 | nt4cats | If I forward someting using my laptop from one account to the other it is on my pre pretty instantly |
| 19:11.29 | diomark | (disclaimer, I work for ibm) |
| 19:11.37 | Marajin | hah :P |
| 19:11.41 | Marajin | anyway |
| 19:11.42 | mikewx | i'm using pop3 to get to notes and often times my pre beeps before my desktop client |
| 19:11.53 | Marajin | exchange traditionally worked extremely fast for me over edge/3G on my WM phones |
| 19:11.54 | nt4cats | pop3? that's polling |
| 19:12.01 | mikewx | yeah, scary that |
| 19:12.05 | mikewx | that's how slow notes is :) |
| 19:12.11 | Marajin | the notifications across my ipod/outlook/phone would be within a split second of each other |
| 19:12.18 | Marajin | the pre sometimes turns up a minute or two later |
| 19:13.32 | dBsooner-work | Oh yeha.. |
| 19:13.35 | diomark | actually, I just did a test; and outlook was faster then the pre. |
| 19:13.40 | dBsooner-work | well MY PRE gets email BEFORE my exchange server gets them |
| 19:13.44 | diomark | (I did a test back in 1.0x days and my pre was faster) |
| 19:13.45 | dBsooner-work | Hell, before they are even sent! |
| 19:13.49 | dBsooner-work | So THere! |
| 19:13.52 | ACap_wIRC | lol |
| 19:14.30 | dBsooner-work | I have the new exchange server option of "psychicMTA" built in |
| 19:14.32 | k4p741nkrunch | It PREdicts the messages.. badumpssh |
| 19:15.05 | Flashpass | dBsooner-work: well it fixed 1/2 issues I was having haha |
| 19:15.32 | Flashpass | dBsooner-work: I'm still havign the issue where I can't install the "unthrottle download manager" patch |
| 19:15.53 | dBsooner-work | that only changews one line |
| 19:15.56 | diomark | dbsooner - I had that installed alongside Gmail Autopilot ( http://mail.google.com/mail/help/autopilot/index.html ) |
| 19:16.00 | dBsooner-work | i mean adds stuff to the beginning |
| 19:16.00 | k4p741nkrunch | I got that on 1.3.1 with latest Preware just fine |
| 19:16.01 | diomark | but it was holding too many conversations with itself. |
| 19:16.20 | diomark | FlashPass - does the /etc/palm/download.conf file exist? |
| 19:16.30 | diomark | If it does, the unthrottle downloads patch won't work. |
| 19:16.31 | dBsooner-work | ahh.. diomark is here! |
| 19:16.35 | diomark | View that file,what's in it? |
| 19:16.41 | dBsooner-work | diomark, mine patches.. |
| 19:16.45 | dBsooner-work | and I havfe that file |
| 19:16.55 | dBsooner-work | and download.conf has a ton of stuff |
| 19:16.58 | Flashpass | Well i believe thats exactly why its not working looking at the error log |
| 19:17.03 | diomark | really? ok |
| 19:17.17 | diomark | (I thought the patch was designed to fail if the file existed or had items in it) |
| 19:17.31 | Flashpass | so...how can fix this issue? I'd like to use that patch haha |
| 19:17.32 | dBsooner-work | what else is that file used for? |
| 19:17.47 | diomark | nothing |
| 19:17.54 | diomark | (so if it's totally replacing it it's fine) |
| 19:18.01 | diomark | at least nothing that we've found.. the file doesn't exist on a stock pre |
| 19:18.31 | Templarian | I like how telling people not to vote on a wip applciation and they still vote. :P |
| 19:18.32 | Flashpass | Erorr: "The next patch would create the file etc/palm/download.conf, which already exists! Assume -R?" |
| 19:18.36 | dBsooner-work | Flashpass: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 19:18.42 | dBsooner-work | Flashpass: rm /etc/palm/download.conf |
| 19:18.52 | dBsooner-work | Flashpass: mount -o remount,ro / |
| 19:18.55 | dBsooner-work | Flashpass: install patch |
| 19:19.00 | k4p741nkrunch | does it have to do with the download count in catalog patch? |
| 19:19.08 | diomark | k4p74 - no |
| 19:19.18 | Flashpass | dBsooner-work: okay, so that will require rooting and such, yes? |
| 19:19.21 | dBsooner-work | yeah, I just searched for it in all stockOS releases I have |
| 19:19.28 | dBsooner-work | Flashpass: umm.. yes? |
| 19:19.39 | dBsooner-work | just terminal access |
| 19:19.45 | dBsooner-work | install terminal |
| 19:20.06 | diomark | btw who's working on the recording app? |
| 19:20.35 | Flashpass | dBsooner-work: okay, i'm totally new to this so bear with me |
| 19:20.37 | nt4cats | giggles -- he said rooting |
| 19:20.45 | dBsooner-work | shhh nt4cats |
| 19:20.45 | dBsooner-work | he's new |
| 19:20.55 | dBsooner-work | you can bash him after I fix him |
| 19:20.55 | dBsooner-work | ;) |
| 19:21.19 | dBsooner-work | btw: who is working on terminal? |
| 19:21.31 | dBsooner-work | with the new hostname, it makes the prompt WAY_TO_LONG |
| 19:21.33 | epv | perhaps no one |
| 19:21.39 | Mousey | yay wirc update ^_^ |
| 19:21.43 | diomark | terminal has one annoying bug too |
| 19:21.50 | diomark | if you pull up the help keys, it restarts terminal after. |
| 19:21.52 | nt4cats | diomark: more than 1 |
| 19:21.55 | diomark | (makes it hard to use it to reference keys) |
| 19:21.57 | dBsooner-work | root@palm-webos-device#/var/home/root: |
| 19:22.10 | dBsooner-work | diomark: yaeh, I hate taht too |
| 19:22.24 | k4p741nkrunch | yeah can we rename the hostname? |
| 19:22.45 | dBsooner-work | hostname is an option, but I don't know if it would have ill effects or not |
| 19:23.24 | diomark | just change the prompt. |
| 19:23.29 | diomark | it's simple - we're using bash, right? |
| 19:24.00 | natenrb9 | how do you access a pre via command line on a pc (I'm on a mac)? my buddy needs help… He needs to run df -h/var to see if he has extra crap in there preventing him from installing apps |
| 19:24.05 | diomark | should be able to put in PS1=$ |
| 19:24.10 | diomark | (which would just give a $ prompt) |
| 19:24.20 | diomark | (in the .bashrc or .bash_profile) |
| 19:24.54 | diomark | just tested and it works |
| 19:25.10 | diomark | (type 'PS1=$') - testing now to see if it can be automated. |
| 19:25.16 | nt4cats | natenbr9: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux |
| 19:26.00 | dBsooner-work | natenrb9: I can almost guarauntee he does |
| 19:26.08 | nt4cats | natenbr9: he'll need to run steps 1,2,3 and 5 |
| 19:26.12 | diomark | OK - easy fix for the long command line - |
| 19:26.23 | diomark | edit /etc/profile.d/optware |
| 19:26.23 | dBsooner-work | natenrb9: you can't have more than 50MB installed or less than 100MB free |
| 19:26.23 | fearphage | nt4cats: "Limitations apply. Required Exchange ActiveSync and Microsoft Exchange Server 2003 SP2 or later not included. Within wireless coverage area only. Security measures implemented through IT administrator." http://www.palm.com/us/business/pre-index.html |
| 19:26.28 | diomark | add the line PS1=$ at the end of that file. |
| 19:26.40 | diomark | next time you login your prompt will just be a $ instead of the hostname/directory |
| 19:26.59 | dBsooner-work | why doesn't the terminal App do that anyway? |
| 19:27.07 | dBsooner-work | hints.. |
| 19:27.11 | fearphage | nt4cats: the iphone, s60, android and blackberry (all coworkers) all connect and sync to the same server just fine |
| 19:27.25 | natenrb9 | so how does he clear it out? or what is the best way to take care of this problem? |
| 19:27.37 | dBsooner-work | uninstall some stuff? |
| 19:27.50 | k4p741nkrunch | I think it would be awesome to work that into next terminal release |
| 19:27.51 | diomark | wonders what Irc client people use. Trying IceChat and it's ok. could be better. |
| 19:27.52 | nt4cats | that says it doesn't include an Exchange server when you buy the phone |
| 19:28.04 | k4p741nkrunch | using wIRC :D |
| 19:28.11 | nt4cats | fearphage: .. and that your IT department has to configure your Exchange server to allow connections from the Pre |
| 19:28.13 | diomark | wIrc costs money tho right? |
| 19:28.19 | k4p741nkrunch | Nope |
| 19:28.24 | dBsooner-work | diomark: OS? |
| 19:28.32 | epv | terminal has a bunch of weirdnesses but i don't feel justified in complaining about any of them since i've contributed practically nothing to it. heh |
| 19:28.53 | fearphage | nt4cats: so the pre doesn't do what every other mobile os does. don't try to say the footing is equal. |
| 19:29.03 | fearphage | nt4cats: none of the other phones required changes from IT |
| 19:29.12 | nt4cats | fearphage: it is probably tuned to require security settings that are not on by default on older exchange servers |
| 19:29.16 | natenrb9 | dbsooner-work: he's uninstalled everything, but still can't install... |
| 19:29.26 | fearphage | nt4cats: we have exchange 2k7 |
| 19:29.28 | dBsooner-work | fearphage: As an Exchange Admin myself, I have had *ZERO* issues with my Pre (or any of my partner's Pre's). |
| 19:29.35 | dBsooner-work | fearphage: So it is NOT the phone |
| 19:29.46 | nt4cats | dbsooner: he's claiming that the pre doesn't support Exchange ... |
| 19:29.48 | dBsooner-work | natenrb9: what's his error? |
| 19:29.49 | diomark | (anymore) - exchange was definately broken for me in 1.2.0 :) |
| 19:30.01 | diomark | (but working in every other version) |
| 19:30.06 | dBsooner-work | diomark: I didn't even have issues then. |
| 19:30.17 | dBsooner-work | The Pre IS Supported.. i see "EAS" as one of my options in mail. |
| 19:30.18 | fearphage | dBsooner-work: i think your assumption is incorrect. there are screenshots of the exchagne security you have to disable to get it to work with the pre |
| 19:30.23 | dBsooner-work | Odd taht its there if its not supported. |
| 19:30.37 | dBsooner-work | What security is that? |
| 19:30.39 | fearphage | dBsooner-work: it's on the pre site although i can't find it now |
| 19:30.50 | fearphage | when i come across it again, you'll be sure to know |
| 19:30.55 | dBsooner-work | Thank you. |
| 19:30.56 | nt4cats | dbsooner: I assume you disabled security on your Exchange server to get the Pre to work, right? |
| 19:31.02 | dBsooner-work | nt4cats: negativve. |
| 19:31.11 | dBsooner-work | nt4cats: I have a pretty strong security setup. |
| 19:31.20 | dBsooner-work | nt4cats: and I run Exchange 2k7 Sp1 |
| 19:31.25 | dBsooner-work | on my main cluster |
| 19:31.30 | nt4cats | dbsooner: I don't know you well (really at all), but you definitely strike me as a "running wide open, loose and free" sort of guy |
| 19:31.31 | Smiley_ | nt4cats: I'm back again (lots of meetings)...I realized something, I would wget the dDEMO but then sh preware-bootstrap.sh.... I rm dDEMO and rm preware-bootstrap.sh, then used quick install to remove preware and PMS, rebooted the phone, then used wget to get dDEMO and then sh dDEMO to install. The install ran with no errors for pms or preware. I rebooted and....no dice, it says PMS is still not running. |
| 19:31.33 | dBsooner-work | I have a E14 on another cluster |
| 19:31.43 | Flashpass | dBsooner-work: okay, that fixed it :) |
| 19:31.48 | diomark | dbsooner - pc (windows 7) |
| 19:32.00 | dBsooner-work | LOL.. you really think thats' me nt4cats? |
| 19:32.15 | dBsooner-work | rethinks his networking strategies. |
| 19:32.23 | nt4cats | dbsooner: you may discover that 90% of what I say is sarcastic |
| 19:32.25 | dBsooner-work | diomark: I use mIRC with NoNameScript. |
| 19:32.54 | dBsooner-work | I bought a lifetime license of mIRC like years and years and years ago |
| 19:33.14 | nt4cats | smiley: any chance you have a copy-and-paste or screenshot of the output from running preware-bootstrap.sh? |
| 19:33.17 | diomark | u know what; you're reminding me I think I did too like 10 years ago |
| 19:33.31 | natenrb9 | dbsooner-work: he has the not enough memory to install more apps error |
| 19:33.40 | Flashpass | dBsooner-work: 2 things I noticed - seems as though EPR did not remove that download.conf file which is what caused that issue, and terminal shouldn't write all the way to the edges of the screen lol |
| 19:33.54 | dBsooner-work | loves the abbreviation "PMS" for IpkgS ervice |
| 19:33.55 | dBsooner-work | lol |
| 19:34.08 | diomark | flashpass - if the file is already there from the LAST time you ran the patch in 1.2.1, then you're already getting the desired effect. |
| 19:34.13 | diomark | the file format hasn't chagned between 1.2.1 and 1.3.1 |
| 19:34.26 | Smiley_ | nt4cats: rebooting the phone killed novaterm...I can run preware-bootstrap.sh and capture what it gives |
| 19:34.40 | Flashpass | oh...that is interesting - okay than preware is saying it's not installed when it is :) |
| 19:35.07 | diomark | flashpass - right:) |
| 19:35.12 | dBsooner-work | Smiley_: as nt4cats said.. get a screenshot of the end of the dDEMO install |
| 19:35.20 | Smiley_ | I don't mean anyone harm by the abbreviation, just PMS is quicker to type than Package Manager Service...plus its fitting right now for me because my phone seems to be having some odd issue. |
| 19:35.21 | dBsooner-work | I want to see the postinst launch IPKG Service into ram |
| 19:35.24 | diomark | to verify, grab that file from webos quick install and look at it. (or view it view terminal) |
| 19:35.33 | Smiley_ | dDEMO or preware-bootstrap? |
| 19:35.45 | dBsooner-work | dDEMO IS preware-bootstrap.sh |
| 19:35.57 | dBsooner-work | when you wget from the bit.ly address it saves as dDEMO |
| 19:36.13 | dBsooner-work | ify ou wget from the long_as_hell address, it saves as preware-bootstrap.sh |
| 19:36.15 | egaudet_work | wait |
| 19:36.22 | diomark | as long as you have MaxRecvSpeed=-1 in the file, then it's right. |
| 19:36.27 | nt4cats | egaudet_work: hammer time? |
| 19:36.32 | Smiley_ | dbsooner: okay...will do |
| 19:36.40 | egaudet_work | download.conf should be removed after EPR assuming it didn't exist before the patch install |
| 19:36.40 | Flashpass | diomark: btw appreciate your patches and posts at precentral, lotta good info |
| 19:36.51 | dBsooner-work | egaudet_work: but its not |
| 19:36.58 | dBsooner-work | egaudet_work: I ran EPR and tested it. |
| 19:37.01 | diomark | tnx flashpass |
| 19:37.16 | egaudet_work | dBsooner-work, what is the state of the file |
| 19:37.31 | dBsooner-work | lost his hard drive last night. |
| 19:37.41 | dBsooner-work | no longer has those emulator images. |
| 19:37.58 | dBsooner-work | She failed on me. |
| 19:38.00 | dBsooner-work | :~( |
| 19:38.13 | Flashpass | yikes |
| 19:38.20 | dBsooner-work | yeah.. I have all my dev stuff |
| 19:38.29 | dBsooner-work | in fact I could probably restore those images |
| 19:38.29 | egaudet_work | I need someone to test for me |
| 19:38.33 | nt4cats | is running for lunch -- brb |
| 19:38.34 | egaudet_work | is download.conf left there empty |
| 19:38.36 | egaudet_work | or left in tact |
| 19:38.42 | dBsooner-work | I bet its left empty |
| 19:38.56 | dBsooner-work | you don't even have to EPR |
| 19:38.57 | Smiley_ | nt4cats & dBsooner: it was a reinstall, is that okay...it simply said "ok" to each item...I can do screen capture and send to nt4cats |
| 19:38.59 | dBsooner-work | just -R the patch |
| 19:39.14 | dBsooner-work | Smiley_: did you say "yes" to both? |
| 19:39.19 | en0x | anyone knows whats new in new version of twee? |
| 19:39.30 | dBsooner-work | en0x: nice layout? :D |
| 19:39.35 | en0x | new one? |
| 19:39.37 | dBsooner-work | IDK to be honest. |
| 19:39.40 | Smiley_ | y to both |
| 19:39.47 | dBsooner-work | Smiley_: no other output than "OK"? |
| 19:40.04 | dBsooner-work | well and "installing blah vx.x.x: OK" |
| 19:40.41 | Smiley_ | okay to ipkgservice, okay to preware, okay to rescanning luna, okay to ipkgservice.postinst....setup complete |
| 19:40.54 | dBsooner-work | screen shot that |
| 19:40.55 | dBsooner-work | send it |
| 19:40.57 | dBsooner-work | also |
| 19:40.58 | dBsooner-work | if you can |
| 19:41.11 | dBsooner-work | open the /tmp/dDEMO.log file |
| 19:41.19 | dBsooner-work | or send it |
| 19:41.30 | dBsooner-work | if not, open it (vi, nano, etc) and screen shot the end of the file |
| 19:41.47 | dBsooner-work | "tail /tmp/dDEMO.log" would work |
| 19:42.01 | dBsooner-work | i gotta go back inside .. brb |
| 19:42.01 | Smiley_ | dBsooner: Okay, I'll try for that |
| 19:42.08 | k4p741nkrunch | Does anyone know key combo for tab complete on terminal |
| 19:44.26 | Mousey | thinks . o O ( that'd be nice ) |
| 19:44.27 | Smiley_ | nt4cats: I sent both the captures to your email. |
| 19:44.33 | Mousey | it's not under non-obvious keys in the menu? |
| 19:44.41 | Mousey | restarts luna |
| 19:46.35 | Mousey | k4p741nkrunch: try sym-i |
| 19:46.46 | k4p741nkrunch | Nice chatting guys, gotta go steal a car :P Be back later. Thanks Mousey |
| 19:46.56 | Mousey | check under the menu in terminal, under non-obvious keys |
| 19:47.17 | natenrb9 | can you check df -h/var from the terminal app? |
| 19:47.34 | Mousey | sure, go for it! =) |
| 19:48.01 | natenrb9 | mousey: was that an answer to me? |
| 19:48.23 | Mousey | i think so |
| 19:48.32 | natenrb9 | lol |
| 19:48.50 | natenrb9 | its not seeming to work…but maybe I'm doing it wrong |
| 19:49.05 | *** part/#webos-internals k4p741nkrunch (n=wIRCer@c-24-60-121-34.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 19:49.06 | natenrb9 | I am just typing df -h/var in the terminal |
| 19:49.18 | natenrb9 | do I need to change directories? |
| 19:50.22 | Flashpass | diomark: I remember on the forums there were 2 patches in a thread, one was to enable more apps to be open (swap?), and another was more memory to the apps (fstab?)...is the fstab one available in preware? I only seem to be able to find the luna.conf patch..or am I getting them all mixed up? |
| 19:51.25 | natenrb9 | anyone? can you check df -h/var from the terminal app? |
| 19:52.54 | mikewx | sec |
| 19:53.40 | mikewx | what do you want to know bout the output? |
| 19:54.15 | *** join/#webos-internals justaguy (i=46053bc6@gateway/web/freenode/x-bttnytdljfpmqhjo) |
| 19:54.32 | natenrb9 | mikewx: is that to me? |
| 19:54.40 | justaguy | anyone wanna help me fix messaging on a pre? |
| 19:54.52 | mikewx | yes |
| 19:54.55 | mikewx | natenrb9: yes |
| 19:55.08 | natenrb9 | mikewx: if so, just want to know the amount of info in var |
| 19:55.32 | *** join/#webos-internals eberon (n=eberon@angilas.ur.northwestern.edu) |
| 19:55.36 | nt4cats | Smiley_: ... and after those two logs when you run Preware, exactly what does it say? |
| 19:55.37 | mikewx | used: 228.1 available: 19.9 |
| 19:56.10 | natenrb9 | mikewx: you just did that through terminal? |
| 19:56.29 | mikewx | yes |
| 19:56.46 | mikewx | 1.2.1 |
| 19:56.57 | natenrb9 | did you just type df -h/var from the start? or did you change directories or anything? |
| 19:57.32 | mikewx | from opening terminal |
| 19:57.32 | natenrb9 | oh, I'm on 1.3.1, I wonder if that will make it not work…? |
| 19:57.56 | justaguy | i need to reinstall messaging |
| 19:58.01 | justaguy | is that possible? |
| 19:58.19 | Smiley_ | I'll write the whole thing.... |
| 19:59.14 | natenrb9 | it says df: invalid option on mine... |
| 19:59.21 | Smiley_ | The Package Manager Service is not running. Did you remember to install it? If you did, first try restarting Preware, then try rebooting your phone and not launching Preware until you have a stable network connection available. |
| 20:00.10 | justaguy | com.palm.app.messaging deleted |
| 20:00.11 | Smiley_ | I've tried all the things the message suggests, none worked. After hitting okay to the message, Preware opens with all the items greyed out. |
| 20:00.17 | en0x | justaguy, lol |
| 20:00.30 | justaguy | ya i know right |
| 20:00.32 | justaguy | lol |
| 20:00.46 | justaguy | i was trying to get the forwarding working and i deleted the wrong thing |
| 20:00.51 | nt4cats | Smiley_: let me recruit a heavyweight. Your setup should be working ... |
| 20:01.34 | nt4cats | smiley_: ... actually one thing I did notice is you had a network error message in one of the first screenshots you sent me |
| 20:01.49 | Smiley_ | nt4cats: Thank you greatly...there must be something holding PackageManagerService from running |
| 20:01.51 | nt4cats | smiley_: can you surf the web using your pre? |
| 20:02.15 | Smiley_ | nt4cats: Yes, surfs the web fine during this whole time. |
| 20:03.21 | nt4cats | egaudet_work ping |
| 20:03.27 | natenrb9 | anyone know if or if not df -h/var will work through the terminal app on 1.3.1? |
| 20:03.58 | nt4cats | natenrb9 yes, but you need a space between the 'h' and the '/' |
| 20:04.49 | en0x | justaguy, u have to extract it from webos doctor :P |
| 20:05.03 | sampson | does that preware installer ever work for anyone |
| 20:05.09 | natenrb9 | nt4cats: doh! there we go! nice…I'm not very good with linux commands… |
| 20:05.11 | justaguy | im looking for it now, do you know where it is exactly? |
| 20:05.52 | nt4cats | sampson: I use it all the time (including today) |
| 20:06.23 | Flashpass | i've actually had a bit of trouble with the installers |
| 20:06.34 | egaudet_work | nt4cats pong |
| 20:06.41 | *** join/#webos-internals doodums (n=thadood@141.225.67.229) |
| 20:07.51 | sampson | nt4cats: every time i run it from windows or osx it just says PREWARE INSTALLED IT SHOULD SHOW UP! and it doesn't :I |
| 20:07.57 | sampson | so i have to use webosquickinstall |
| 20:08.15 | nt4cats | sampson: you should use webosquickinstall to install preware |
| 20:08.23 | egaudet_work | Smiley_, command line access? |
| 20:08.36 | sampson | yes, i do but the webos-internals wiki says to try the little preware installer and i'm saying it never works :P |
| 20:09.32 | justaguy | en0x: ok got it extracted, now the tricky part... |
| 20:10.26 | Smiley_ | egaudet: I have a novaterm on my comp and the terminal app on my Pre |
| 20:11.21 | egaudet_work | have you tried to uninstall PMS via QI |
| 20:11.25 | egaudet_work | reinstall it |
| 20:11.30 | egaudet_work | via QI too |
| 20:11.33 | *** join/#webos-internals preston (n=wIRCer@subnet-64-230.ideaone.net) |
| 20:12.47 | preston | can I force the email app to accept invalid certificates? |
| 20:12.52 | *** join/#webos-internals dreadchicken (n=deadchic@64.218.49.154) |
| 20:13.05 | en0x | justaguy, there is no tricky part |
| 20:13.05 | en0x | ;P |
| 20:13.13 | en0x | just copy the ipk to ur pre and install it |
| 20:13.13 | en0x | :p |
| 20:14.24 | Smiley_ | egaudet: yes, I've tried QI for uninstalling PMS and Preware and then using it to reinstall it...and got the same error |
| 20:18.46 | egaudet_work | what error |
| 20:20.42 | mumbles | ok all my pre goes blank and i cant turn it on/off without pulling out the attery |
| 20:21.00 | mumbles | when i accept or call someone and we hang up the call. |
| 20:21.05 | nt4cats | egaudet_work: his error message "The Package Manager Service is not running. Did you remember to install it? If you did, first try restarting Preware, then try rebooting your phone and not launching Preware until you have a stable network connection available." |
| 20:21.28 | mumbles | wondering if thats webOS isshue or the device? |
| 20:22.11 | Smiley_ | The Package Manager Service is not running. Did you remember to install it? If you did, first try restarting Preware, then try rebooting your phone and not launching Preware until you have a stable network connection available. |
| 20:24.16 | Smiley_ | BRB: got to do a delivery |
| 20:27.08 | *** part/#webos-internals preston (n=wIRCer@subnet-64-230.ideaone.net) |
| 20:27.27 | nt4cats | Smiley_: a baby? |
| 20:27.58 | *** join/#webos-internals thejuan1 (i=4606a1c3@gateway/web/freenode/x-tcbanttiayaohggr) |
| 20:33.51 | Flashpass | diomark: ping |
| 20:33.57 | *** join/#webos-internals cashen (n=cashen@c-68-60-176-25.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 20:37.05 | diomark | flasshpass: pong |
| 20:37.40 | *** join/#webos-internals jeffgus (n=jeffgus@2002:ad33:b504:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 20:37.52 | diomark | RE: the two memory patches - |
| 20:38.08 | diomark | I don't know if they were ever helping. Need more testing.. I kept running into the memory issues even w/ the patches |
| 20:38.20 | diomark | (so it might have been a placebo..) - I hadn't submitted the patches because of that. |
| 20:38.37 | *** join/#webos-internals Discus (n=wIRCer@206.47.201.123) |
| 20:38.53 | Discus | yo |
| 20:39.38 | *** join/#webos-internals justaguy (i=ad768861@gateway/web/freenode/x-rdfsexelzwfqptny) |
| 20:40.03 | justaguy | en0x: i fixed it |
| 20:40.07 | en0x | good |
| 20:40.16 | en0x | i'm happy for u |
| 20:40.16 | en0x | :p |
| 20:40.20 | justaguy | en0x: used scp and just compied the files over |
| 20:40.26 | justaguy | copied* |
| 20:40.52 | en0x | so now u have +10 to virual penis |
| 20:40.53 | en0x | :D |
| 20:41.04 | justaguy | i deleted the com.pal.app.messaging directory, once replaced everything was still there |
| 20:41.34 | nt4cats | justa: I dig your nickname ... I tried on a similar one, but it didn't fit |
| 20:41.50 | justaguy | had to reboot the pre to see the icon |
| 20:42.03 | en0x | justaguy, u just could rescan using luna manager |
| 20:42.04 | en0x | :D |
| 20:42.10 | justaguy | nt4cats: its not mine, im just squating |
| 20:42.22 | justaguy | en0x: i did a rescan but it seemed to take forever |
| 20:42.55 | en0x | i see |
| 20:43.20 | justaguy | now if i could just get the rndis gadget to work on the pixi |
| 20:44.03 | egaudet_work | Smiley_, remove and reinstall preware as well |
| 20:44.51 | *** part/#webos-internals Discus (n=wIRCer@206.47.201.123) |
| 20:45.11 | *** join/#webos-internals djk (n=djk@ool-4573a369.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 20:45.14 | Flashpass | diomark: ah okay, it definitely seemed to at least speedup certain areas |
| 20:47.02 | diomark | I'm doing quite a bit of testing around memory tweaking w/ 1.3.1 - will definately submit patches once I have something usable.. (right now, my pre runs like crap... MUCH worst then 1.2.1 ever did) |
| 20:47.54 | en0x | mine runs fine |
| 20:48.14 | diomark | mine's fine for a day or so, but keeps hitting memory limits after that (basically needs daily reboots..) |
| 20:48.45 | diomark | I actually think it *might* be becasue I added my yahoo account.. removed it yesterday to see if it made a difference. |
| 20:54.19 | *** join/#webos-internals vonStemmington (n=wIRCer@174-150-45-107.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 20:54.57 | vonStemmington | Hey all |
| 20:56.39 | justaguy | hey |
| 20:57.03 | Smiley_ | nt4cats: Yes, as a baby doctor, I do several deliverys a week...inbetween strokes of Pre troubleshooting.... actually I work at one of the wafer fabs at TI that makes several chips for the Pre...and had to walk a part to a vendor to install. |
| 20:57.37 | Smiley_ | egaudet, yes, I've removed preware and reinstalled several times...should I try it again? |
| 20:57.47 | *** join/#webos-internals WillJitsu (n=wIRCer@66-162-169-2.static.twtelecom.net) |
| 20:57.57 | *** join/#webos-internals NightRise (n=NightRis@174-155-22-17.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 20:58.18 | justaguy | oh new updates |
| 20:58.19 | nt4cats | Smiley_: do you get to wear the cool space suits |
| 21:00.41 | *** join/#webos-internals mrjcarter (n=wIRCer@173-100-158-11.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 21:00.41 | Smiley_ | I get to do both: I have a cubical, and get to wear a space suit...but its just white, not intel sparkling pink.... |
| 21:00.49 | *** part/#webos-internals mrjcarter (n=wIRCer@173-100-158-11.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 21:00.55 | nt4cats | Smiley_: and the disco ball and dancing, etc.? |
| 21:01.04 | oil | do you ever wear the space suit while sitting in the cubical? |
| 21:01.43 | *** part/#webos-internals WillJitsu (n=wIRCer@66-162-169-2.static.twtelecom.net) |
| 21:02.47 | nt4cats | Smiley_: you've attracted the attention of a few of the Preware heavyweights here, by the way (note: I am decidedly not in that group myself) |
| 21:03.17 | Smiley_ | Ah...no disco balls, just round safty mirrors...and some of the machines just beep when they error out, some play music to let you know they are upset. |
| 21:03.42 | oil | goes back to work :/ |
| 21:04.15 | nt4cats | oil: don't work, hang out on the irc. That's been my M.O. today ... |
| 21:04.21 | Smiley_ | I didn't mean to start a Preware ruckis...but happy to see there is this irc channel |
| 21:05.53 | Smiley_ | I found though that the Omap chip is not made at my fab, TI farms that out to a foundry....made me sad |
| 21:06.39 | Smiley_ | BRB |
| 21:06.46 | *** part/#webos-internals vonStemmington (n=wIRCer@174-150-45-107.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 21:07.13 | *** join/#webos-internals djk1 (n=djk@ool-4573a369.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 21:07.29 | Mousey | TSMC? |
| 21:07.37 | Mousey | throws names out |
| 21:08.07 | nt4cats | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_5Hf2n3VFE <--- Smiley_ at work |
| 21:09.14 | *** join/#webos-internals tharris- (n=wIRCer@174-151-18-61.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 21:09.40 | tharris- | hola |
| 21:09.56 | tharris- | <br>test |
| 21:10.00 | tharris- | sweet |
| 21:10.06 | tharris- | nice work guys |
| 21:10.53 | *** part/#webos-internals tharris- (n=wIRCer@174-151-18-61.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 21:10.59 | Mousey | hey! 1.3.1 is out? |
| 21:11.08 | Mousey | why am i always the last to find out?! |
| 21:11.10 | nt4cats | Mousey: not yet. wait a few weeks |
| 21:11.23 | Mousey | srsly, it's showing "download now" |
| 21:11.38 | diomark | it's been out since over the weekend. |
| 21:11.42 | Mousey | oh |
| 21:11.45 | Mousey | i ar slo |
| 21:12.01 | Mousey | so (and i'm sure i asked this a billion times before), i should run EPR before upgrading, eh |
| 21:12.57 | *** join/#webos-internals tharris- (n=wIRCer@174-151-18-61.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 21:13.01 | diomark | yes you should |
| 21:13.07 | tharris- | hello |
| 21:13.12 | nt4cats | Mousey: here are instructions for you: |
| 21:13.52 | Mousey | uninstall theme(s), run epr, upgrade phone? |
| 21:13.57 | nt4cats | Mousey: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions |
| 21:14.05 | Mousey | thx |
| 21:14.13 | nt4cats | Mousey: you've got it, basically -- but it is spelled out there |
| 21:14.36 | *** join/#webos-internals justaguy (i=ae9b258e@gateway/web/freenode/x-xwktaigehijrdnef) |
| 21:14.38 | Mousey | k, ty |
| 21:16.03 | dBsooner-work | rwhitby: ping |
| 21:17.26 | *** part/#webos-internals tharris- (n=wIRCer@174-151-18-61.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 21:17.39 | Mousey | EPR is scary |
| 21:17.46 | gkatsev | how so? |
| 21:18.03 | Mousey | all those diffs and patches and reverts and oooh i hope it goes ok! >_< |
| 21:18.05 | dBsooner-work | what??? |
| 21:18.22 | dBsooner-work | epr is quite simple |
| 21:18.46 | Mousey | fine, it's simple. i'm still a scared little n00b |
| 21:19.12 | dBsooner-work | does md5 of file in directory match md5 of stock file? if yes, blow out backup. If no, does backup md5 match stock os md5? if yes, restore. |
| 21:19.34 | *** join/#webos-internals leonardo (n=leonardo@host78-164-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 21:20.02 | Mousey | stiiiiiill going |
| 21:20.17 | Mousey | had lots of patches |
| 21:20.25 | Mousey | done! |
| 21:20.27 | Mousey | *phew* |
| 21:20.30 | Mousey | runs upgrade |
| 21:20.32 | Mousey | wait, |
| 21:20.34 | dBsooner-work | noo |
| 21:20.34 | dBsooner-work | wait |
| 21:20.38 | dBsooner-work | wait |
| 21:20.42 | dBsooner-work | are all patches gone? |
| 21:20.48 | Mousey | me refreshes, makes sure all pat.. yah |
| 21:20.51 | Mousey | +/ |
| 21:22.01 | Mousey | aCk! all my patches are gone1 |
| 21:22.16 | dBsooner-work | lol |
| 21:22.20 | dBsooner-work | so they are all gone? |
| 21:22.22 | gkatsev | yeah, preware should make a list of patches and enable us to reapply them |
| 21:22.32 | dBsooner-work | gkatsev: we are working on that |
| 21:22.42 | Mousey | =) |
| 21:22.51 | gkatsev | dBsooner-work: cool. is there an ETA for that? |
| 21:22.53 | dBsooner-work | actually what we are thinking about doing is changing the prerm to allow you to just update |
| 21:23.14 | dBsooner-work | and then afterwards Preware will just see all the patches that have an upgarde and you can upgrade to them |
| 21:23.26 | dBsooner-work | the "remove" wont' really do anything cuz the upgrade overwrote the patches |
| 21:23.33 | egaudet_work | dBsooner-work, no |
| 21:23.37 | dBsooner-work | if the patch ISN"T avail in new webOS version |
| 21:23.41 | egaudet_work | EPR does not check if backup matches md5 |
| 21:23.41 | dBsooner-work | oh |
| 21:23.54 | dBsooner-work | epr restore basckup |
| 21:23.59 | cashen | "This command will remove webosinternals.services" wtf? |
| 21:27.30 | *** join/#webos-internals ukdiveboy (i=401c988c@gateway/web/freenode/x-ubhpecuzkfyrnxcg) |
| 21:28.36 | Mousey | i think i had more patches installed than actual programs |
| 21:29.39 | Mousey | slide-closed-to-hang-up being my reigning favorite so far |
| 21:29.47 | Mousey | god what i wouldn't give for a jabber client tho =( |
| 21:30.49 | *** join/#webos-internals leonardo (n=leonardo@host78-164-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 21:31.53 | epv | mousey: i used jabber over irc with "bitlbee" |
| 21:32.32 | Mousey | its a haaaaaaaaaack! |
| 21:32.32 | epv | bitlbee is a irc-to-all-IM-protocols gateway.. you talk to it with an IRC client and it talks to all the IM services and makes it look like you're chatting to them over irc |
| 21:32.42 | epv | yeah it's a horrible hack but it's better than most of the IM clients :) |
| 21:33.32 | Mousey | except there -are no- im clients to compare it to on pre ;_; |
| 21:33.45 | epv | pre does AIM doesn't it? |
| 21:33.54 | Mousey | yah, but who uses that??? |
| 21:33.57 | epv | heh |
| 21:34.02 | epv | i dunno, i'm not much of an IM user |
| 21:35.13 | Smiley_ | Okay, Yes, that is actually how Chips are made...the dancing creates a harmonic energy pulse that helps implant the dopants....I'm in photolithography, we don't have dancing. |
| 21:35.55 | Smiley_ | Sorry to keep leaving...so are there any suggestions for the Preware that thinks PMS is not installed? Maybe PMS needs to be kickstarted? |
| 21:36.26 | Mousey | what does 1.3.1 do? |
| 21:36.33 | Mousey | googles |
| 21:36.43 | nt4cats | Smiley_: egaudet_work is one of the heavyweights I mentioned earlier. |
| 21:37.20 | Smiley_ | then I shall follow his advice |
| 21:38.17 | *** join/#webos-internals Decimate (n=hax-da-h@d192-24-56-160.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 21:39.41 | nt4cats | Mousey: http://www.precentral.net/undocumented-webos-131-features |
| 21:39.53 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 21:41.24 | Smiley_ | egaudet: I appreciate your interest in helping on this Preware PMS issue |
| 21:42.09 | nt4cats | rotfl Preware PMS issue |
| 21:42.11 | Decimate | zsoc|away: message me when you get back :) |
| 21:43.01 | nt4cats | Preware bites your head off when you walk in the room on the presumption that you were about to do something wrong? |
| 21:45.14 | *** join/#webos-internals justaguy (i=ae9b258e@gateway/web/freenode/x-ltqmhqjvarokajxe) |
| 21:48.36 | nt4cats | my friend at work just showed me how cool his Motorola Droid is. It was 4 straight minutes of apps not starting, network connection errors, and difficulty naviating the UI. |
| 21:48.50 | epv | haha |
| 21:48.53 | nt4cats | The only thing that worked was his gmail client |
| 21:49.02 | epv | but apparently it has a pretty screen, or something |
| 21:49.08 | nt4cats | the screen did look pretty |
| 21:49.16 | nt4cats | the UI seemed pretty complex |
| 21:50.19 | nt4cats | I'm sure with a bit of practice and a good network connection it would have been an impressive 'show and tell' ... it was kinda funny, though, that this one worked out that way |
| 21:50.55 | epv | apparently there's an alternative firmware for android phones called cyanogen |
| 21:51.07 | epv | which sounded sort of cool. like maybe it's android without all the spying on you? |
| 21:53.42 | nt4cats | bbl |
| 22:00.13 | Smiley_ | nt4cats, dBsooner, egaudet, I'm wrapping it up here at work, so I'll sign on when I get home...let me know if you have things for me to try, or data I can get your way to help you dig to the root of the problem. I definitely appreciate the help and effort. |
| 22:13.29 | *** part/#webos-internals mikewx (n=mikew@mail1.ifbf.org) |
| 22:17.16 | markstag | I've resetted my palm pre, now i have to enter phone settings? anyone knows how to fix this? |
| 22:17.43 | markstag | internet apn, username, password |
| 22:18.21 | *** join/#webos-internals JayCanuck (n=chatzill@S010600111186b639.wp.shawcable.net) |
| 22:18.27 | JayCanuck | hi all |
| 22:18.52 | Marajin | markstag: I never found any UI way to even enter that data actually.. should you have to? |
| 22:19.19 | markstag | after i did an full reset |
| 22:19.30 | markstag | then the phone rebooted |
| 22:19.49 | markstag | then i get a screen called Enter phone settings |
| 22:19.55 | markstag | internet apn, username, password |
| 22:20.40 | markstag | and there is no way to get passed that:s |
| 22:22.26 | *** join/#webos-internals chuqui (n=chuqui@palm-64-28-152-131.palm.com) |
| 22:22.50 | *** join/#webos-internals todivefor (i=4a62e37d@gateway/web/freenode/x-ifumyxhhygekwjsn) |
| 22:24.15 | dBsooner-work | chuqui likes hanging out in webos-internals. :D |
| 22:24.31 | *** part/#webos-internals todivefor (i=4a62e37d@gateway/web/freenode/x-ifumyxhhygekwjsn) |
| 22:25.21 | chuqui | yup. |
| 22:25.32 | *** join/#webos-internals A2NY (n=anthony@64.203.113.149) |
| 22:25.33 | chuqui | fun people. why not? |
| 22:25.46 | dBsooner-work | LOL |
| 22:25.46 | A2NY | is there a remove all patches for preware ? |
| 22:26.13 | dBsooner-work | Hey chuqui: How much would you sell me a dev Pixi for? I would like to get one in my hands pretty badly. :) |
| 22:26.18 | *** join/#webos-internals nt4cats (n=nt4cats@72-59-82-149.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 22:26.31 | dBsooner-work | loves my Pre though. Would only use the Pixi for dev. :) |
| 22:26.46 | dBsooner-work | A2NY: Si. It's called "Emergency Patch Recovery" |
| 22:26.53 | nt4cats | 's Pre could beat up dBsooner's Pre |
| 22:26.55 | dBsooner-work | go to "list of everything" |
| 22:27.16 | dBsooner-work | and search for emergency |
| 22:27.58 | A2NY | ... |
| 22:28.09 | A2NY | emergency call /emergency button |
| 22:28.09 | dBsooner-work | But chuqui ignores the requests of the lonely developer. Hehe. |
| 22:28.19 | dBsooner-work | a2ny not list of all patches |
| 22:28.27 | dBsooner-work | go to the MAIN menu |
| 22:28.32 | chuqui | (eye roll) |
| 22:28.33 | dBsooner-work | backswipe a ton of times |
| 22:28.37 | zsoc | many I really need to stay out of #webos |
| 22:28.52 | zsoc | I keep forgetting when someone asks if something is possible, they mean with an existing API :P |
| 22:28.59 | dBsooner-work | LOL.. There is no eyerolling allowed in here. :) |
| 22:29.26 | nt4cats | ~smack nt4cats |
| 22:29.27 | infobot | ACTION smacks nt4cats upside the head. |
| 22:29.30 | nt4cats | ow! |
| 22:29.45 | A2NY | dBsooner-work: nothing is in there |
| 22:29.47 | markstag | I've resetted my palm pre, now i have to enter phone settings? anyone knows how to fix this? |
| 22:30.01 | dBsooner-work | A2NY: update feed |
| 22:30.06 | A2NY | did |
| 22:30.11 | *** join/#webos-internals jayvan (n=wIRCer@adsl-75-17-197-78.dsl.euclwi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:30.15 | dBsooner-work | update feeds, then go to "list of everything" |
| 22:30.22 | dBsooner-work | which should be like over 1000 packages |
| 22:30.38 | A2NY | is it the theme feeds ? |
| 22:30.45 | dBsooner-work | No |
| 22:30.54 | dBsooner-work | its in the webos-internals feed |
| 22:31.12 | nt4cats | a2ny: don't go into any feeds at all |
| 22:31.38 | dBsooner-work | chuqui: It doesn't even have to have a radio in it. you can put a wifi radio in it instead. I'm not picky. Hehehe. |
| 22:31.49 | egaudet_work | you cannot find anything from other parts of preware that you cannot find in list of EVERYTHING |
| 22:31.57 | nt4cats | a2ny: (like dbsooner said) from the main preware screen/scene/menu, select "list of everything". Once you're in that list just start typing (no quotes) "emergency" |
| 22:32.28 | A2NY | like I said, just patches show up =\ |
| 22:32.41 | dBsooner-work | is your webos-internals feed disabled? |
| 22:32.49 | A2NY | nope |
| 22:32.51 | A2NY | it is on |
| 22:32.58 | A2NY | patches are off, I will turn them on |
| 22:33.05 | egaudet_work | :confused: |
| 22:33.09 | nt4cats | a2ny: do you have network connectivity now? |
| 22:33.15 | dBsooner-work | is flabber gasted. |
| 22:33.16 | egaudet_work | patches are off but list of everything shows patches? |
| 22:33.19 | A2NY | yup |
| 22:33.26 | A2NY | re downloading feeds |
| 22:33.26 | dBsooner-work | That's even more confusing. |
| 22:35.08 | egaudet_work | ok i'm gone, bbl |
| 22:35.18 | *** join/#webos-internals Vince42 (n=Vincent@82.113.121.99) |
| 22:35.23 | A2NY | when I update feeds it seems to skip from prethemere to webos-patches |
| 22:35.44 | dBsooner-work | prethemer has been offline for a while |
| 22:35.50 | dBsooner-work | anoutsider has been upgrading |
| 22:36.04 | dBsooner-work | the webos-internals server has been hosting his feed temporarily |
| 22:37.11 | *** join/#webos-internals todivefor (n=wIRCer@pool-74-98-227-125.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net) |
| 22:37.18 | A2NY | can I run package manager from the term ? |
| 22:37.26 | A2NY | it still is not showing up |
| 22:38.45 | dBsooner-work | package manager? |
| 22:39.07 | A2NY | yes |
| 22:39.34 | Vince42 | is there a complete ideal server system for synchronization? i would like to have my contacts with photos, calendars (incorporating google's and others) and todos ... and want to put my sensitive data rather on my own than some company's server ... any ideas? |
| 22:39.56 | nt4cats | Vince42: start coding, you'll make yourself some money once you've released it. |
| 22:40.30 | zsoc | Vince42, i'm pretty sure rod is working with some.. drew(?) guy .. getting some sort of complete backup system... |
| 22:40.36 | zsoc | i noticed it in the webos-internals git |
| 22:40.51 | Vince42 | kewl, so i guess i should stay tuned then ... :) |
| 22:41.30 | Vince42 | unfortunately there's a shortcoming with every server system atm ... i wish there was some plain SyncML Syngergy Provider - that'll help a lot ... |
| 22:41.36 | dBsooner-work | A2NY: do this: ipkg -o /var list | grep emergencyt |
| 22:41.37 | dBsooner-work | woops |
| 22:41.46 | dBsooner-work | ipkg -o /var list | grep emergency |
| 22:42.28 | dBsooner-work | BTW chuqui: I think it is the coolest thing to see the head of developing for a major phone manufacturer to be inside a "non-official" chat channel. |
| 22:42.46 | dBsooner-work | In all my years of developing for phones, and other areas, I have never seen that. |
| 22:43.00 | A2NY | nothing |
| 22:43.22 | zsoc | head of developing what? :P |
| 22:43.41 | *** part/#webos-internals todivefor (n=wIRCer@pool-74-98-227-125.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net) |
| 22:43.44 | dBsooner-work | A2NY: ipkg -o /var update |
| 22:44.09 | epv | vince42.. i just rsync my phone's whole filesystem to a backup server every day. :) |
| 22:44.10 | chuqui | I like hearing what's being said. If I can find a problem when it's small, it's easier to fix than when it gets big and hungry. |
| 22:44.36 | dBsooner-work | chuqui: Don't lie. You were here to see who all would violate the NDA on the early SDK. ;) |
| 22:44.48 | *** join/#webos-internals todivefor (n=wIRCer@pool-74-98-227-125.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net) |
| 22:44.49 | dBsooner-work | You don't have to lie to kick it. HEhehe. J/k |
| 22:44.56 | Vince42 | epv: that's an option to make some backups - but when it comes to changes in the data itself something unfortunately something more sophisticated is needed :) |
| 22:45.22 | dBsooner-work | plus that's for the lawyers, not you. Hehe. |
| 22:45.34 | *** join/#webos-internals dinho (i=63cfa4d2@gateway/web/freenode/x-zylrjwlbvuloyrwk) |
| 22:45.39 | A2NY | yeah something is broke |
| 22:45.51 | A2NY | update returns nothing |
| 22:45.52 | dBsooner-work | A2NY: reinstall ipkgservice |
| 22:45.54 | Vince42 | i really wonder why they didn't integrate plain SyncML in Synergy ... |
| 22:46.00 | epv | ooh. here's my silly suggestion of the day, then - lock some apps like the dialer in ram so you don't sit around waiting for them to get paged in when you run them |
| 22:46.02 | chuqui | I don't have to go looking for violations. If omeone does, 15 other developers email me. |
| 22:46.05 | *** join/#webos-internals justaguy (i=ae9b258e@gateway/web/freenode/x-mkhxjvyepmtpdpzg) |
| 22:46.09 | dBsooner-work | ROFL. |
| 22:46.23 | dBsooner-work | "Mr. Chuq.. So and So is not playing fair." |
| 22:46.51 | epv | oh my other silly suggestion of the day is disable packet forwarding rather than wifi adhoc mode to keep the carriers happy. :) |
| 22:46.52 | dBsooner-work | A2NY: wget http://bit.ly/dDEMO |
| 22:47.04 | dBsooner-work | that's my preware/ipkgservice bootstrap script |
| 22:47.08 | dBsooner-work | it will reinstall both for you |
| 22:48.35 | *** part/#webos-internals Vince42 (n=Vincent@82.113.121.99) |
| 22:49.33 | *** join/#webos-internals todive4 (i=4a62e37d@gateway/web/freenode/x-meosgtcchztoipnr) |
| 22:49.40 | *** join/#webos-internals AZero (n=user@76-193-146-161.lightspeed.kscymo.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:51.47 | A2NY | ok good |
| 22:52.15 | A2NY | rebooting phone, ipkg update worked, error at preware |
| 22:52.30 | *** part/#webos-internals todivefor (n=wIRCer@pool-74-98-227-125.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net) |
| 22:57.04 | *** join/#webos-internals jello3d (i=47c2a91d@gateway/web/freenode/x-nfthhtvxjhkuqsto) |
| 22:58.10 | mumbles | is going ot have to go to 02 store tommow if i cant fix this pre problem |
| 22:58.20 | jello3d | Where would be the best place to make patch suggestions? |
| 22:58.24 | Mousey | clicks "install now" |
| 22:58.53 | mumbles | wishes he could click install now |
| 23:00.09 | Mousey | watches progress bar eek along ever so slowly, as he is careful not to accidentally remove battery |
| 23:01.16 | mumbles | cannot install web os docter 02 |
| 23:02.15 | *** join/#webos-internals Templarian (n=Templari@pix052-022.pix.wmich.edu) |
| 23:02.15 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v Templarian] by ChanServ |
| 23:02.45 | zsoc | jello3d, probably the wiki... but you could throw a bone in here and see how it goes |
| 23:04.17 | A2NY | how do I launch package manager service |
| 23:04.48 | markstag | what is the best way to get passed the first use app? |
| 23:05.05 | zsoc | markstag, you mean the carrier activation? |
| 23:05.10 | markstag | yes |
| 23:05.19 | zsoc | A2NY, you don't really... launch it.. it should be running |
| 23:05.37 | jello3d | Well, given the Pixi is much darker than the Pre, when the Pixi goes to low light mode it gets too dark... It would be nice to have a patch to set the minimum illumination setting. For the Pixi, this would be higher. |
| 23:05.42 | zsoc | markstag, Rod made a revision to webos doctor called 'meta doctor' which allows you to bypass activation |
| 23:06.05 | markstag | that's the one i need linux for? |
| 23:06.18 | zsoc | jello3d, that would be possible., the real limitation at this point is the lack of developers with pixis |
| 23:06.29 | zsoc | markstag, probably, ... not sure. maybe not. why do you need to bypass activation? |
| 23:06.50 | markstag | becouse i can't activate i gues... i'm in holland |
| 23:07.11 | markstag | i've got an shipped palm pre from o2 uk |
| 23:07.48 | zsoc | markstag, oh... yeah.. meta doctor, and yes you need linux access... instructions -> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor |
| 23:07.52 | *** join/#webos-internals flpalm (n=Adium@97.103.20.10) |
| 23:08.03 | markstag | dammmn this sucks big time:s |
| 23:08.19 | jello3d | Well, if anyone wants to test patches, there are willing sheep out there :) For example, but the GPS toggles have the unfortunate side effect of disabling the Pixi's radio entirely |
| 23:08.39 | jello3d | but=both |
| 23:08.50 | zsoc | interesting. |
| 23:09.58 | mumbles | wants to know if theres a problem with palm webOS 1.1.3 uk 02 and the phone frazing when a call is ended |
| 23:11.57 | zsoc | markstag, if you problem is linux, you could install ubuntu with Wubi (it installs ubuntu as a windows application, and you can remove it afterwares).. or you could install ubuntu inside of a VirtualBox in windows.. i'm pretty sure both options are free |
| 23:12.57 | markstag | yes i wil try the wubi, hope this works out becouse i have no experiance with linux so far |
| 23:13.08 | *** join/#webos-internals obladda (n=obladda@pool-71-247-94-87.nycmny.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:13.18 | zsoc | markstag, the amount of documentation is astounding :) it should be painless |
| 23:13.32 | markstag | i have no choise:D |
| 23:13.48 | zsoc | who knows, maybe you'll decide you like it :) i hear opensource is very popular in the netherlands |
| 23:14.16 | markstag | zsoc indeed it is |
| 23:14.44 | markstag | dutch open source community is one of the biggest globaly |
| 23:16.55 | zsoc | dutch as a culture you mean? Because everyone I know who speaks the language dutch, also speaks at least 3 other languages, and claims to never speak dutch lol. |
| 23:17.07 | Mousey | screen goes blank |
| 23:17.08 | Mousey | uh ok |
| 23:17.12 | *** join/#webos-internals amjz (n=wIRCer@94.249.25.195) |
| 23:17.17 | Mousey | ooo, fancy new logo! |
| 23:17.54 | zsoc | ha, yes |
| 23:19.13 | markstag | zsoc Dutch is our languadge, but our people can also be called dutch |
| 23:19.58 | *** join/#webos-internals AZero (n=user@76-193-146-161.lightspeed.kscymo.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:20.55 | zsoc | markstag, i see. interesting. well you can get minor linux support in here, otherwise check out ##linux. anything directly involving metadoctor help is probably best pointed toward rwhitby when he wakes up :) |
| 23:21.19 | markstag | thanks zsoc |
| 23:21.26 | zsoc | or ##ubuntu for wubi help :) |
| 23:23.48 | A2NY | well F-this |
| 23:24.00 | A2NY | is the webdoctor up to the latest ? |
| 23:24.01 | zsoc | A2NY, what issue are you having exactly? |
| 23:24.23 | A2NY | package manager service will not start |
| 23:24.35 | A2NY | rescan, reboot, etc... |
| 23:24.40 | *** join/#webos-internals doodums (n=thadood@mharder-2.memphis.edu) |
| 23:24.45 | zsoc | A2NY, .. did you try removing it entirely and reinstalling it with the preware installer? |
| 23:24.49 | A2NY | yup |
| 23:25.03 | A2NY | I have installed the emergency tool |
| 23:25.08 | A2NY | via cli |
| 23:26.12 | rwhitby | chrisa: wircd for pixi is in the testing feed |
| 23:26.33 | *** join/#webos-internals playya_ (n=playya@unaffiliated/playya) |
| 23:26.52 | en0x | metadoctor is easy |
| 23:26.53 | en0x | ;) |
| 23:27.46 | zsoc | I think wirc would make the pixi the smallest irc client every :) |
| 23:27.50 | zsoc | s/every/ever |
| 23:27.58 | Mousey | wai! |
| 23:28.02 | Mousey | can't install vK?! |
| 23:30.22 | en0x | w00t |
| 23:31.21 | *** join/#webos-internals justaguy (i=ae9ce9b0@gateway/web/freenode/x-jmqimuixqrycklof) |
| 23:31.57 | Mousey | JUST CHARGE BY DEFAULT! |
| 23:32.00 | Mousey | glees |
| 23:32.04 | *** join/#webos-internals hmagoo (n=hmagoo@pool-71-102-17-79.plspca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 23:32.43 | AtomicPlayboy | Say, offhand, has anyone here gotten OpenAFS client installed on their Pre? |
| 23:32.45 | en0x | u r so lame :S |
| 23:32.52 | *** join/#webos-internals dalmaer (n=dalmaer@palm-64-28-152-140.palm.com) |
| 23:34.55 | *** part/#webos-internals ukdiveboy (i=401c988c@gateway/web/freenode/x-ubhpecuzkfyrnxcg) |
| 23:36.17 | *** join/#webos-internals hmagoo (n=hmagoo@pool-71-102-17-79.plspca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 23:36.19 | Mousey | a-patchin' we will go.. a-patchin' we will go! |
| 23:37.55 | dBsooner-work | egaudet: what's the status on VKB for 1.3.1? |
| 23:38.19 | Mousey | feels naked without it |
| 23:39.02 | chrisa | Installing a theme then doing an internal OTA is not a recommended course of action |
| 23:40.12 | justaguy | would it be strange if i can use ifconfig in the pre terminal, but not on the same pre with putty? |
| 23:40.35 | Mousey | yes |
| 23:40.37 | Mousey | unless |
| 23:40.43 | Mousey | you're getting "command not found" |
| 23:40.47 | Mousey | then it wouldn't be strange |
| 23:40.58 | justaguy | sh: ifconfig: not found |
| 23:41.02 | Mousey | k |
| 23:41.04 | Mousey | not strange then |
| 23:41.05 | chrisa | Bad path variable |
| 23:41.09 | chrisa | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.31 | justaguy | wonder how that happened |
| 23:41.48 | egaudet | the status is I need a nap |
| 23:41.53 | Mousey | your shell rc file or _profile isn't doing the thing |
| 23:42.04 | Mousey | puts egaudet in sleep mode |
| 23:42.05 | *** part/#webos-internals NightRise (n=NightRis@174-155-22-17.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 23:42.25 | egaudet | The autocorrect I added doesn't work anymore because 1.3.1 now blocks access to /etc |
| 23:42.29 | rwhitby | chrisa: I just packaged the Pre wircd service for Pixi, so let us know if it works :-) |
| 23:42.32 | justaguy | it was working fine, then i left for 30 mins and upon returning that happened |
| 23:42.46 | rwhitby | chrisa: I believe that it's armv5 compiled |
| 23:42.48 | Mousey | something changed |
| 23:43.03 | justaguy | 5? |
| 23:43.04 | egaudet | so I'm going to take out autocorrect :( to get a relase out |
| 23:44.58 | chrisa | After running it the first time preware will no longer operate properly on this build, hm |
| 23:45.27 | chrisa | Seems like the package manager service isn't getting along |
| 23:45.41 | bpadalino | does your jvm keep crashing ? |
| 23:46.33 | chrisa | Looks that way |
| 23:46.35 | chrisa | EAS exceptions |
| 23:46.51 | bpadalino | oh strange - i saw heap OOM exceptions when mine would crash |
| 23:46.54 | justaguy | i just tried to install wircd got error cannot satisfy the following dependencies for ws.junk.wirc: us.ryanhope.wircd |
| 23:46.57 | *** join/#webos-internals kesne (n=Kesne@pool-173-50-235-33.ptldor.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:47.00 | kesne | ~botsnack |
| 23:47.00 | infobot | kesne: aw, gee |
| 23:47.25 | chrisa | I've come to accept that I can't use preware so long as I keep using dev builds |
| 23:47.38 | rwhitby | chrisa: I'll be interested in any feedback as to why. |
| 23:47.43 | mumbles | thumps his phone |
| 23:47.58 | justaguy | rwhitby: i tried on the pixi |
| 23:48.18 | rwhitby | justaguy: what's the latest status there? |
| 23:48.29 | justaguy | i just tried the wircd |
| 23:48.35 | justaguy | i just tried to install wircd got error cannot satisfy the following dependencies for ws.junk.wirc: us.ryanhope.wircd |
| 23:48.52 | rwhitby | justaguy: you need to get wircd from the testing feed for the pixi |
| 23:48.58 | justaguy | ok |
| 23:48.58 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: won't let me release it yet |
| 23:49.06 | rwhitby | (we need people to test it first) |
| 23:49.12 | justaguy | i will test it |
| 23:49.23 | mumbles | has got wircd working on the pre |
| 23:49.23 | PuffTheMagic | justaguy: u got sdk? |
| 23:49.25 | mumbles | or i had |
| 23:49.28 | justaguy | yes |
| 23:49.33 | justaguy | 1.3.1 |
| 23:50.02 | PuffTheMagic | justaguy: do you know how to use git? |
| 23:50.23 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: he can just test 0.0.4 from the testing feed, can't he? |
| 23:50.31 | rwhitby | there's an ipkg there |
| 23:50.46 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: i want him to test the binary i made to day that has armv6 specific cflags |
| 23:50.47 | justaguy | as in git git:// ? |
| 23:51.01 | *** join/#webos-internals gpfountz (n=greg@pool-71-171-18-243.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:51.07 | chrisa | odd, I hadn't looked at the packageservice upstart script before |
| 23:51.37 | PuffTheMagic | justaguy: yeah you could use the 0.0.4 ipks from the testing feed, |
| 23:51.46 | PuffTheMagic | justaguy: but i have a binary i specifcally needed tested |
| 23:51.47 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: ok, you don't want him to test that armv5 0.0.4 works first to get a baseline on installation correctness before introducing binary arch specificity? |
| 23:51.49 | PuffTheMagic | that is not in the freed |
| 23:51.50 | PuffTheMagic | feed |
| 23:52.05 | PuffTheMagic | the armv5 "should" work |
| 23:52.08 | PuffTheMagic | im not really worried about it |
| 23:52.22 | PuffTheMagic | i didnt add any special flags |
| 23:52.30 | PuffTheMagic | but later releases will be tuned a little more |
| 23:52.37 | PuffTheMagic | even though it probably dont make any difference |
| 23:52.46 | PuffTheMagic | and i just need confirmation it runs |
| 23:52.52 | justaguy | well just tell me what you would like me to do |
| 23:53.05 | PuffTheMagic | justaguy: if i have you a url can you wget it from novaterm and run it? |
| 23:53.13 | rwhitby | wonders why you'd do that, causing you to then have to support two different binaries and having to ask them question "are you running the Pre or the Pixi binary" when getting support requests ... |
| 23:53.13 | justaguy | ok |
| 23:53.24 | *** join/#webos-internals WillJitsu (n=wIRCer@66-162-169-2.static.twtelecom.net) |
| 23:53.27 | justaguy | i have ubuntu running in vb too |
| 23:53.56 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: you're seriously going to do different cflags for Pre and Pixi builds? |
| 23:54.21 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: yeah i was planning on it... at some point |
| 23:54.24 | WillJitsu | is there a way to stop the Preware changelog from coming up everytime I launch it? |
| 23:54.26 | PuffTheMagic | well |
| 23:54.37 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: i planned on using armv7 specifc flags for the pre |
| 23:54.41 | zsoc | rwhitby, can we have the binary patch argument yet? |
| 23:54.43 | PuffTheMagic | i never inteded on a pixi build |
| 23:54.46 | PuffTheMagic | till you brough it up |
| 23:55.08 | justaguy | i think alot of people are going to like this pixi |
| 23:55.31 | zsoc | pixi is a pretty sexy device |
| 23:55.38 | bpadalino | you don't have speed issues as the reviews say ? |
| 23:55.57 | justaguy | not really anything much dif that on my pre |
| 23:56.06 | justaguy | it seems to depend on what youre doing |
| 23:56.15 | justaguy | how much you got open |
| 23:56.59 | *** join/#webos-internals Rob_W_ (n=wIRCer@c-76-115-227-233.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 23:57.39 | PuffTheMagic | justaguy: http://omploader.org/vMnNucA |
| 23:57.50 | PuffTheMagic | justaguy: novaterm into that and wget it into /tmp |
| 23:57.52 | PuffTheMagic | then run it |
| 23:58.28 | PuffTheMagic | you can do 'wget http://omploader.org/vMnNucA -O wIRCd' |
| 23:58.31 | PuffTheMagic | then wIRCd -V |
| 23:59.23 | *** part/#webos-internals WillJitsu (n=wIRCer@66-162-169-2.static.twtelecom.net) |
| 23:59.33 | justaguy | hang ona sec, novaterm cant find the dev now |
| 23:59.49 | chrisa | The ipkgservice script doesn't really do much |
| 23:59.54 | *** join/#webos-internals funkatron (n=coj@c-98-223-56-78.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
