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| 00:01.34 | Abyssul | has 1.3.1 webos doctor been released? |
| 00:01.36 | bpadalino | should it do more ? |
| 00:02.39 | PuffTheMagic | chrisa: we cant really use the dbus .service file trick |
| 00:02.50 | PuffTheMagic | chrisa: since preware is not a com.palm app |
| 00:03.44 | PuffTheMagic | unless i was using the service call (the one taht can start a service) wrong |
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| 00:06.10 | eliasp | hi |
| 00:06.12 | eliasp | i'm running the precomd novacom here and trying to use the PreWare installer.... the installer keeps claiming, novacom wasn't running... isn't this working yet? |
| 00:06.26 | bpadalino | hrmm - what is the preware installer ? |
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| 00:07.08 | eliasp | http://get.preware.org/ the one available here... |
| 00:07.25 | bpadalino | ah - precomd shouldn't be used with that most likely .. |
| 00:07.44 | eliasp | ok, so i should better use the "manual" installation routine for PreWare.... |
| 00:07.46 | bpadalino | any reason you don't want to run the normal novacomd ? |
| 00:08.30 | eliasp | bpadalino: there's no "normal" novacomd for me... couldn't find sources for novacomd anywhere and there's only a binary for debian available... i'm on Gentoo ... |
| 00:08.43 | PuffTheMagic | bpadalino: i still want to make precomd be able to work like novacomd |
| 00:08.46 | PuffTheMagic | bpadalino: that would be nice |
| 00:08.50 | eliasp | ok, i could try to extract the deb and check, whether it is linked statically... it could probably work |
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| 00:08.54 | bpadalino | PuffTheMagic: sounds formidable |
| 00:09.06 | bpadalino | eliasp: try it out and let us know how it works out |
| 00:09.14 | eliasp | i'll do... gimme a minute ;-) |
| 00:09.30 | bpadalino | take your time :) |
| 00:09.33 | zsoc | eliasp, there's a buildable version of novacom out there... may include the daemon |
| 00:09.39 | AtomicPlayboy | Anybody messed with AFS on webOS? |
| 00:09.48 | eliasp | zsoc: oh really? it is? any idea where to find it? |
| 00:10.02 | justaguy | PuffTheMagic: im unable to find the device now. i might need to just reboot the computer ill do that and return. sorry for the delay |
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| 00:10.34 | zsoc | AtomicPlayboy, you talking about the network migrated file system thingy? |
| 00:12.16 | oil_pre | lol @ preware thread |
| 00:12.28 | zsoc | eliasp, can't find it at the moment... just extract the .deb and move novacomd to /opt/Palm/ .. or something like that |
| 00:12.28 | oil_pre | everyone noticing speed increase |
| 00:12.35 | dBsooner-work | not really |
| 00:12.35 | dBsooner-work | ;) |
| 00:12.47 | dBsooner-work | I noticed my battery drains faster with 1.3.1 though. |
| 00:12.59 | zsoc | i noticed my phone doesn't charge with 1.3.1 ::P |
| 00:13.01 | eliasp | zsoc: yes, just found the deb again ( https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/1.1/sdkBinaries/palm-novacom_0.3-svn177284-hud9_i386.deb ) ... trying it now... |
| 00:13.13 | dBsooner-work | What's the deal with all the people having issues with Preware reporting the IPKG Service isn't running? |
| 00:13.24 | eliasp | doesn't even have 1.3.1 yet... still on 1.1 ... it sucks to be an EU palm customer ;( |
| 00:13.43 | oil_pre | doesn't know |
| 00:14.20 | dBsooner-work | oil_pre: I have one that even sent me screenshots of the .postinst of .19 launching it into process |
| 00:14.34 | dBsooner-work | but still shows "IPKG Service not installed/running" |
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| 00:15.40 | oil_pre | yeah, I don't know much about the service |
| 00:15.40 | Mousey | some ssl sites don't work with the upgrade? |
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| 00:17.10 | oil_pre | I just write the javascript :/ |
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| 00:17.48 | justaguy | PuffTheMagic: ok im connected now but i need that link again |
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| 00:18.11 | eliasp | zsoc: copying novacom over to /opt and starting novacomd manually actually worked.... the PreWare installer claimed everything's done, but i don't see PreWare appearing in my applications... let's see.... |
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| 00:18.34 | zsoc | eliasp, should be the bottom of your first launcher page |
| 00:18.41 | PuffTheMagic | justaguy: you can do 'wget http://omploader.org/vMnNucA -O wIRCd' |
| 00:18.53 | Mousey | so yah, i can't seem to get into certain web pages anymore after the upgrade |
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| 00:18.58 | Mousey | (nor a reboot) |
| 00:19.00 | AnOutsider | hey guys, don't know if anyone is around but I'm sitting at the airport and discovered a scenario that can break theming and require repair |
| 00:19.07 | zsoc | Mousey, the webbrowser has become more 'compliant' |
| 00:19.09 | eliasp | zsoc: nothing there... retrying the installation procedure... |
| 00:19.21 | Mousey | zsoc: saw that in changelog |
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| 00:19.28 | Mousey | zsoc: but i mean, it's boke |
| 00:19.30 | zsoc | AnOutsider, install 2 themes? breaks things every time |
| 00:19.42 | oil_pre | AnOutsider: categories :) |
| 00:19.45 | AnOutsider | no something simpler |
| 00:19.47 | justaguy | PuffTheMagic: /bin/sh: wIRCd: Permission denied |
| 00:19.54 | en0x | lol |
| 00:19.57 | en0x | chmod +x wIRCd |
| 00:19.58 | en0x | :P |
| 00:20.05 | PuffTheMagic | justaguy: chmod 777 it |
| 00:20.07 | PuffTheMagic | or +x |
| 00:20.09 | eliasp | aah... "You may need to restart the phone for Preware to show up." ... |
| 00:20.21 | Mousey | can someone with 1.3.1 hit the following page successfully? https://merlin.ross154.net:8079 |
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| 00:20.36 | justaguy | PuffTheMagic: wIRCd - WebOS IRC Daemon (0.0.5) |
| 00:20.40 | oil_pre | eliasp: that's if you manually install without rescanning luna |
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| 00:20.46 | PuffTheMagic | justaguy: good |
| 00:20.48 | PuffTheMagic | thanks |
| 00:21.03 | PuffTheMagic | justaguy: pixi builds tonight probably in preware |
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| 00:21.09 | Mousey | should be an eyeOS login screen |
| 00:21.10 | zsoc | if preware installer says it's installed, it should be installed |
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| 00:21.24 | Markstagg | zsoc what was that page again |
| 00:21.33 | Markstagg | im in ubuntu now |
| 00:21.43 | Abyssul | Is there any patches or mods that expanding the universal search for contacts? I have someone listed as girlfriend and I cant search that lol. |
| 00:21.51 | zsoc | Markstagg, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor |
| 00:21.52 | rwhitby | dBsooner-work: still waiting for someone to come in here at the right time to debug the ipkgservice not running. |
| 00:21.54 | Abyssul | Under ummm.. company name :p |
| 00:22.04 | Markstagg | thanks |
| 00:22.05 | Mousey | can someone with 1.3.1 hit the following page successfully? https://merlin.ross154.net:8079 |
| 00:22.06 | dBsooner-work | rwhitby: 10-4.. |
| 00:22.08 | Mousey | should be an eyeOS login screen |
| 00:22.23 | justaguy | i found a few problems on my pre when trying to update some things |
| 00:22.44 | smiley | egaudet...sorry for the long break, but I'm at home now with some time to dedicate to getting Preware and Package manager service to run again. |
| 00:22.46 | PreSolutions | loads for me Mousey |
| 00:22.53 | oil_pre | everytime someone shows up, rwhitby is gone |
| 00:22.54 | Mousey | oh, just my phone then huh |
| 00:22.55 | Mousey | thanks |
| 00:23.02 | justaguy | the gdial wanted to update but it fails |
| 00:23.05 | rwhitby | smiley: over here, mate. |
| 00:23.06 | Mousey | runs EPR again |
| 00:23.06 | dBsooner-work | there you go rwhitby |
| 00:23.07 | dBsooner-work | Smiley is here |
| 00:23.13 | dBsooner-work | Hooray! |
| 00:23.17 | eliasp | weee.... i see the PreWare icon...! |
| 00:23.18 | sslow | mousey:me yoo |
| 00:23.19 | en0x | Mousey, works fine |
| 00:23.19 | smiley | Hooray |
| 00:23.22 | sslow | too |
| 00:23.36 | dBsooner-work | Btw rwhitby.. Smiley ran the preware-bootstrap and sent me screenshots |
| 00:23.46 | smiley | Hi there all, Rod, dBsooner, egaudet |
| 00:23.47 | oil_pre | eliasp: 0.9.9? |
| 00:23.52 | Mousey | cool, thanks people |
| 00:24.00 | dBsooner-work | it shows it installing cleanly and spawning the ipkg service into processes |
| 00:24.02 | rwhitby | smiley: you have a command line access you can cut and paste to webos.pastebin.com ? |
| 00:24.18 | smiley | rwhitby: sure do |
| 00:24.24 | AnOutsider | oil_pre: I'm on my phone at the airport. I can get cats tonight or tomorrow |
| 00:24.28 | eliasp | oil_pre: no, 0.9.5 ... is 0.9.9 already stable? |
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| 00:24.43 | rwhitby | eliasp: yep, upgrade immediately |
| 00:24.48 | oil_pre | 099 > 095 |
| 00:24.57 | smiley | oh...not cut and paste though...sorry, winxp novaterm seems to not let me cut and paste |
| 00:24.59 | eliasp | ok, just running the update... thx! |
| 00:25.03 | smiley | Sorry, spoke too soon |
| 00:25.09 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: email me the scenario please |
| 00:25.10 | oil_pre | speed improvements are great |
| 00:25.17 | dBsooner-work | smiley download putty |
| 00:25.28 | smiley | sure... |
| 00:25.30 | oil_pre | cats for themes = ftw |
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| 00:26.32 | en0x | http://www.twitpic.com/px7f2 lol |
| 00:27.14 | smiley | downloaded, first thing putty wants is configuration...any help on the "host name"? |
| 00:27.26 | dBsooner-work | localhsot |
| 00:27.29 | dBsooner-work | localhost* |
| 00:27.37 | dBsooner-work | select RAW |
| 00:28.05 | smiley | aww gravy, my mom called because her phone died |
| 00:29.03 | eliasp | hu? preware died after removing a package... ;-/ |
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| 00:32.05 | smiley | so I want localhost for the host name |
| 00:32.15 | rwhitby | eliasp: what's the last 100 lines in /var/log/messages ? |
| 00:33.07 | eliasp | rwhitby: don't know, device isn't running in dev mode anymore ;-/ |
| 00:33.52 | AnOutsider | rwhitby: will do. I actually want to reproduce it. I'll sign back on when I land |
| 00:33.58 | rwhitby | dBsooner-work: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2043790#post2043790 for sms contact 1.3.1 if you don't have it already |
| 00:33.59 | AnOutsider | later guys! |
| 00:34.09 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: thx for cats too |
| 00:34.10 | dBsooner-work | i have it in m yinbox |
| 00:34.13 | *** part/#webos-internals AnOutsider (n=wIRCer@173-102-202-112.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 00:34.15 | dBsooner-work | I have 19 in my inbox |
| 00:34.18 | dBsooner-work | from the form |
| 00:34.29 | dBsooner-work | i got my hard drive today and formatted it during lunch |
| 00:34.35 | dBsooner-work | will be installing win 7 when I get home |
| 00:35.19 | dBsooner-work | make that 21 |
| 00:35.31 | dBsooner-work | with samkim's KeyToss KEyword Search |
| 00:37.09 | smiley | Okay, she's taken care of....so, for putty, I take it I want to switch it to serial and just try com1 and up till I find the phone? |
| 00:37.24 | dBsooner-work | no |
| 00:37.27 | dBsooner-work | do RAAW |
| 00:38.00 | smiley | dBsooner, okay, I selected Raw |
| 00:38.37 | Mousey | en0x, sslow: and your on 1.3.1 right? |
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| 00:39.01 | smiley | dBsooner: Correct me where I'm wrong, I'm new to this set up: Host name = localhost, port=22? |
| 00:39.47 | smiley | dBsooner: guess I was wrong, it didn't work |
| 00:40.11 | dBsooner-work | smiley: you have novaproxy running? |
| 00:40.37 | smiley | eeeeh...didn't know to do that...Guess I need to download something else...where do I fetch that? |
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| 00:40.58 | dBsooner-work | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Accessing_Linux_From_Windows |
| 00:41.59 | smiley | dBsooner: okay, thanks, I'll do all those steps and then get back once they're done |
| 00:43.20 | eliasp | is it technically possible controlling the brightness of screen/keyboard seperately? or do they share the same LED controller? it annoys me, that the keyboard is completely dark when being in a dark environment where i usually switch the screen brightness to low.... it should be the other way round... dark screen, bright keyboard <-> bright screen, dark keyboard... |
| 00:44.07 | mumbles | shutsdown his palm pre and chrages up his xda |
| 00:45.10 | zsoc | eliasp, app already exists that separates them |
| 00:45.36 | eliasp | oh, great... someone must have read my mind ;-) |
| 00:45.44 | eliasp | going to look for it in PreWare |
| 00:45.49 | smiley | Downloading Python per website from dBsooner |
| 00:46.35 | destinal | rwhitby: hmm, updated to 0.9.9 preware, getting hangs downloading feed information over wifi (which just worked on 098) |
| 00:47.00 | rwhitby | destinal: can you ipkg -o /var update and see which feeds? |
| 00:47.56 | eliasp | zsoc: do you know the name of the app for separating screen/keyboard brightness? it seems it isn't listed in PreWare |
| 00:48.23 | mumbles | im off to sleep |
| 00:48.32 | eliasp | zsoc: nvm... found it ;-) |
| 00:48.34 | destinal | hmm.. returned immediately from command line, no error. and then started preware and it's fine too. maybe one of the feeds had a momentary issue or the wifi connection did I suppose |
| 00:51.36 | smiley | dBsooner, rwhitby....got putty up and running now with a root@palm-webos-device:/# prompt |
| 00:52.01 | dBsooner-work | wee |
| 00:52.11 | destinal | palm-webos-device?? |
| 00:52.13 | dBsooner-work | got him with copy/paste capabilities rwhitby |
| 00:52.23 | dBsooner-work | destinal: yeah they renamed ti from castle |
| 00:52.30 | destinal | lame. castle was cool |
| 00:52.33 | dBsooner-work | which reminds me |
| 00:52.44 | dBsooner-work | Terminal APp should change the Command Prompt |
| 00:53.19 | destinal | you can change your PS1 variable in your profile.d dir |
| 00:53.21 | cashen | wtf, i liked castle |
| 00:53.25 | dBsooner-work | root@palm-webos-device#/var/home/root$ or wthever is long: |
| 00:53.35 | dBsooner-work | i know |
| 00:53.41 | dBsooner-work | terminal app should do that |
| 00:53.47 | dBsooner-work | automatically |
| 00:53.54 | cashen | reminded me of sean conneryfor some reason |
| 00:54.03 | destinal | yeah, we could add a preferences item of "shorten prompt" or something that sets PS1 for you |
| 00:54.50 | dBsooner-work | :) |
| 00:55.11 | destinal | also I'm probably going to change my hostname assuming that doesn't break anything :) |
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| 00:55.27 | dBsooner-work | that and make it not reload back to /var/home/root/ when closing the "uncommon characters" scene |
| 00:55.38 | destinal | I know the emulator cares what its hostname is but I don't think it cares on a real device |
| 00:56.09 | dBsooner-work | destinal: that was my idea earlier.. but I didn't know if the device would get moody over a hostname change |
| 00:56.40 | AtomicPlayboy | zsoc: Yes, OpenAFS client. |
| 00:56.43 | destinal | dBsooner-work: I checked it out once, there are some event.d scripts that check hostname, but only to look for qemu names to detect being on an emulator |
| 00:57.11 | Mousey | crap |
| 00:57.11 | destinal | dBsooner-work: it could be they've done more since then in 1.3.x but I'd be surprised |
| 00:57.17 | Mousey | can't log into these pages no patter what |
| 00:57.22 | Mousey | wtf did they do to my browser! |
| 00:57.44 | Mousey | even clearing cache/cookies/history won't let me in |
| 00:59.03 | Mousey | what's error [2051]? |
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| 00:59.44 | rwhitby | time for the PalmCast .... |
| 00:59.53 | smiley | Ah |
| 00:59.59 | rwhitby | smiley: ok, what does "ps -efww | grep webosinternals" say ? |
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| 01:00.05 | dBsooner-work | r u serious rwhitby? |
| 01:00.14 | dBsooner-work | you're going to watch those two houligans? |
| 01:00.18 | dBsooner-work | Dieter is gone this week. |
| 01:00.27 | dBsooner-work | doesn't want to see another Droid Cast |
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| 01:01.24 | smiley | rwhitby: do you want that whole huge thing? |
| 01:01.46 | dBsooner-work | smiley: webos.pastebin.com |
| 01:02.01 | dBsooner-work | paste the output ther and give us link to the page it creates |
| 01:02.06 | en0x | Mousey, right |
| 01:02.25 | dBsooner-work | FYI: just highlighting in Putty copies |
| 01:03.15 | rwhitby | smiley: then what does this say: luna-send -n 1 luna://org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/status '{}' |
| 01:03.41 | smiley | http://webos.pastebin.com/m6b902d4 |
| 01:03.42 | Mousey | wtf, why doesn't it work on mine |
| 01:04.35 | eliasp | wow, the music player remix is awesome.... now the only thing still missing is OggVorbis/FLAC support ;-) |
| 01:05.21 | rwhitby | smiley: ok, so java has loaded the ipkgservice .jar file - the luna-send tests whether we can talk to it from the command line |
| 01:05.54 | sslow | Mousey: sorry yes I'm on 1.3.1 |
| 01:05.56 | destinal | eliasp: yeah, not much one can do there in mojo, services / plugins are needed to support those formats |
| 01:06.03 | Mousey | thanks |
| 01:06.10 | Mousey | why does it not work on my friggin phone then? |
| 01:06.33 | Mousey | sslow: can you go to http://ross154.net and tell me if you can get to the jukebox login? (link along top) |
| 01:06.53 | smiley | rwhitby: okay...so far so good I take it |
| 01:07.10 | rwhitby | smiley: got the output of the luna-send? |
| 01:07.19 | cashen | i can twit? wtf |
| 01:08.44 | sslow | Mousey: I can! |
| 01:08.56 | sslow | it works |
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| 01:09.39 | Mousey | weird |
| 01:09.49 | Mousey | ...from your phone rt? |
| 01:09.55 | rwhitby | smiley: write the new URL here, prefixed by my nick when you pastebin something new, so it get's my attention. |
| 01:09.57 | smiley | http://webos.pastebin.com/m7dcfbef5 |
| 01:10.08 | smiley | rwhitby: http://webos.pastebin.com/m7dcfbef5 |
| 01:10.16 | Mousey | sslow: are you on EVDO or WIFI? |
| 01:10.25 | sslow | wifi |
| 01:10.30 | cashen | i can't watch anymore... |
| 01:10.35 | rwhitby | smiley: check your typing |
| 01:10.40 | Mousey | sslow: can you try from evdo? |
| 01:10.41 | rwhitby | smiley: you should get a JSON response |
| 01:11.48 | Mousey | crap, you can |
| 01:11.55 | smiley | okay, let me try again |
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| 01:14.05 | smiley | rwhitby: luna-send -n 1 responded with the same small list of -x items |
| 01:14.44 | sslow | Mousey: sorry can't get ev here only 1x and its no go |
| 01:14.53 | Mousey | do you get an error? |
| 01:15.03 | Mousey | error 2051 by chance? |
| 01:15.19 | Mousey | [2051] |
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| 01:15.32 | cashen | anyone else in here need a google wave invite? |
| 01:15.49 | Mousey | when i can run a google wave service instance locally, sure |
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| 01:16.11 | destinal | oooh |
| 01:16.24 | smiley | rwhitby: should I put my phone into airplane mode, people keep trying to call it |
| 01:16.24 | destinal | 1.3 supports screen widths besides 320 (mostly) |
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| 01:16.46 | rposa | Hello! I had to switch out my device, and upon "Restoring" the "backup" from Palm - it brought back nothing (except the Dot Game from the App Store). Lucky for me, I'm not a total idiot, and I DO have the PalmDatabase.db3 ... |
| 01:16.56 | rposa | Can I just restore this file? |
| 01:17.33 | justaguy | i dont think you can restore it to a different device |
| 01:18.29 | justaguy | rposa: did your kids pixi sign out of the profile and reboot? |
| 01:18.34 | destinal | this should make bare metal installs and/or running webos in vmware much more practical. I wonder if it's just a bugfix or if palm is planning on wider screened devices |
| 01:18.39 | justaguy | like doa full erase? |
| 01:18.51 | rposa | justaguy - made a different profile email address for the Pixi |
| 01:19.00 | smiley | sorry, I missed a big peic, let me try again |
| 01:19.30 | rwhitby | smiley: can you pastebin the command you type as well as the output? |
| 01:19.33 | rposa | justaguy: Oh. Wait, are the Pixi's losing their contacts? |
| 01:19.49 | rposa | (shudder) .. think I'm gunna back up the kid's pixi palmdatabase. :) |
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| 01:20.34 | justaguy | rposa: i thought you were talking about you kids pixi |
| 01:20.52 | justaguy | but i guess youre talking about a pre |
| 01:20.57 | rposa | No, my Pre, unfortunately. I had to replace it .. but I DID have a backup of the PalmDatabase.db3 |
| 01:21.06 | rposa | The "backup" that Palm does .. didn't.. |
| 01:21.18 | smiley | rwhitby: http://webos.pastebin.com/m74220334 |
| 01:21.38 | oil | really hopes they don't make a device with a wider screen |
| 01:21.44 | rwhitby | smiley: ok, good - that's correct. |
| 01:22.20 | justaguy | rposa: how did you pull the db3 file? |
| 01:22.22 | rwhitby | smiley: next: luna-send -n 1 luna://org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/getConfigs '{}' |
| 01:22.41 | rposa | justaguy: Copied it to the USB partition and then pulled it off via USB |
| 01:23.06 | justaguy | you could get to where you can use putty then use scp |
| 01:23.51 | rposa | I'm going to work on something like that, but right now (and more pressing) would be importing the contacts again.. |
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| 01:24.33 | justaguy | might aswell do it now arnt they in the db3 file? |
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| 01:25.56 | rposa | justaguy: Well, yes. But there have been people who have said "Don't just copy in the DB3 file" ... |
| 01:26.04 | rposa | Probably because of schema changes? |
| 01:26.07 | rposa | Unsure.. |
| 01:26.16 | rposa | I think what I'm going to do is this: |
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| 01:26.30 | justaguy | been a while since i read about it |
| 01:26.57 | rwhitby | copying db3 file will fail - you should dump data and reload into possible-changed schema on new device |
| 01:26.58 | rposa | Backup existing file. Copy old file in. Backup the phone. Reboot. Copy new file in. Partial erase, reboot, restore. |
| 01:27.26 | justaguy | do you have any contacts in the new one? |
| 01:27.31 | rposa | Nope |
| 01:27.43 | rposa | RWhitby (hello, btw!) Is there a command for dumping that stuff out, then importing back in? |
| 01:27.53 | rwhitby | rposa: sqlite3 |
| 01:27.55 | justaguy | get a backup of one with a contact in it too |
| 01:28.13 | rposa | rwhitby :) |
| 01:28.16 | rwhitby | rposa: standard linux app - plenty of info on the web about it. |
| 01:28.34 | rawdr | I've spent a little time copying tables between db3's without much success |
| 01:28.45 | rawdr | Both times I've ended up copying the whole old db3 over and using that |
| 01:28.57 | rawdr | There can be some glitches, but it's worked for the most part |
| 01:29.33 | rposa | well, ok then. I think I'm going to do that, then document how, and put it on the wiki. Is that a good thing? |
| 01:29.36 | justaguy | can you copy them over and do a backup then replace with the prior? |
| 01:29.58 | smiley | rwhitby: http://webos.pastebin.com/m1b1c7f9b |
| 01:30.27 | rawdr | Problem is, if you copy the texts over from the Foldentry table, there's other tables tied in such as a table that holds the preview of the texts, so the texts might be there but you don't see them in the sms app, etc |
| 01:30.52 | rwhitby | smiley: ok, that says that ipkgservice is installed and running. |
| 01:30.54 | rawdr | someone would either need to figure out exactly what stuff to copy, or get enough copied and then trigger some sort of database rebuild. |
| 01:31.05 | rposa | not THAT concerned ... about the SMS part yet .. |
| 01:31.09 | rwhitby | smiley: now, what happens when you run preware right now? |
| 01:31.10 | rposa | but I might try to figure that out, as well. We'll see... |
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| 01:33.31 | smiley | let me try...sorry my GF is lost and having me google map her remotely |
| 01:33.57 | Abyssul | How would you do that? |
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| 01:35.57 | smiley | rwhitby: Holy cow, it started downloading the feeds!!! |
| 01:36.17 | smiley | Preware is working...!! |
| 01:36.46 | rwhitby | smiley: ok, reboot, wait for the signal bars to appear, and try again without doing any of that command line stuff. |
| 01:39.57 | smiley | rwhitby: rebooting |
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| 01:42.07 | rposa | Are you freaking kidding me ? |
| 01:42.14 | rposa | Why in the hell ... are they padding the timestamps |
| 01:42.19 | rposa | with 0000 |
| 01:42.28 | cashen | My parents went from preware 9.2 -> 9.9 and then it wouldnt work because the ipkgservice also needed to be updated. |
| 01:42.34 | smiley | rwhitby: well, after rebooting it doesn't work, says PMS is not running. |
| 01:43.00 | cashen | would be nice if it installed the ipkgservice first then preware or both at the same time |
| 01:43.31 | smiley | My Girlfriend apparently commited me to dinner somewhere so I have to go...I'll copy what you ahd me do here to get it working, I'll sign on again to see who's on...thanks for all your help |
| 01:44.07 | rwhitby | smiley: try the luna-send status command, and then try again |
| 01:44.26 | cashen | what issue is he having? |
| 01:48.23 | rposa | what version of Preware should I put on my device ? |
| 01:48.46 | rwhitby | rposa: 0.9.9 |
| 01:48.46 | smiley | rwhitby: it simply said service response Handling: 2, "{returnValue":true |
| 01:48.47 | rwhitby | rposa: but 0.9.5 installer can upgrade to that no problem |
| 01:48.54 | rwhitby | smiley: now try Preware app |
| 01:49.05 | smiley | rwhitby: and now Preware works again |
| 01:49.19 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: if your video recorder was done i could be recording my the cat battle going on on my bed rightnow |
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| 01:49.57 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic, and if you agreed to do the service framework it would be done already :P |
| 01:49.58 | rwhitby | smiley: ok, so it's a java service startup problem. |
| 01:50.02 | rposa | wonders why his main computer cannot see the Pre almost ever, but his laptop .... never any problems.. |
| 01:50.22 | rwhitby | smiley: ls -l /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice |
| 01:50.36 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: i said i would, i just dint say whe ;) |
| 01:50.45 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: im addicted to wIRC at the moment |
| 01:50.57 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic, well wirc is pretty cool :P |
| 01:51.09 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic, you're still going to help converting to native c service :P |
| 01:51.40 | PuffTheMagic | yeah i will |
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| 01:52.09 | smiley | rwhitby: if you have other things you need for me to do: you can email me, or I'll stop by and see what you type here, but for now, I have to go make the GF happy. Email = my name @ gmail.com |
| 01:52.16 | smiley | my name is markjsmiley |
| 01:52.20 | smiley | Sorry, have to go |
| 01:52.25 | smiley | Thanks for all your help |
| 01:54.47 | rwhitby | smiley: thanks |
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| 01:58.59 | justaguy | PuffTheMagic: was there any thing else you wanted me to try out on the pixi? |
| 01:59.12 | PuffTheMagic | justaguy: no that was enough thanks |
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| 02:02.39 | rwhitby | justaguy: you'll probably want to kill the process, delete the file you downloaded with wget, and install the ipkg from the alpha test feed so that it updates properly when 0.0.5 is released. |
| 02:03.14 | justaguy | rwhitby: will do, im still unable to ssh to the pixi |
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| 02:05.17 | trim-pre | hi I installed mvapp |
| 02:05.28 | trim-pre | I moved pandora over...now I like to move it back |
| 02:05.32 | trim-pre | how do I do this |
| 02:06.03 | rwhitby | trim-pre: same program |
| 02:06.18 | trim-pre | rod can you provide the command? |
| 02:06.29 | trim-pre | I don't want to move ALL files...just the pandora |
| 02:07.29 | trim-pre | ?? |
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| 02:10.39 | trim-pre | Rod in the house??? |
| 02:11.50 | kesne | I LOVE my pizi |
| 02:11.52 | kesne | *pixi |
| 02:13.15 | jack1987_ | ok i dont want to be mean in the chat.. but i really dont like this palm cast |
| 02:13.25 | jack1987_ | sorry had to rent |
| 02:14.01 | trim-pre | ok mvapp com.palm.pandora |
| 02:14.05 | trim-pre | that did the trick |
| 02:14.10 | trim-pre | brb, restarting |
| 02:14.16 | rposa | for the record, there is only one minor flaw in my replacement Pre... |
| 02:14.25 | rposa | The battery door doesn't close ... cleanly. |
| 02:14.32 | rposa | It sticks out < 1 mm |
| 02:14.48 | rposa | but I'm not anal about it .. IDC to be honest, it's not causing me any problems.. |
| 02:15.00 | rposa | no, probably 1mm |
| 02:15.19 | rposa | but the slider is nice, screen is nice.. |
| 02:15.20 | justaguy | rposa: is that the stock back? |
| 02:15.43 | justaguy | i have a touchstone back |
| 02:15.53 | rposa | I'm sorry |
| 02:15.55 | rposa | I meant the USB door |
| 02:15.59 | rposa | justaguy: Touchstone. The usb door .. doesn't push in all the way .. |
| 02:16.02 | justaguy | ah |
| 02:16.17 | rposa | I'd imagine, since this is a refurb, |
| 02:16.27 | rposa | that the previous owner, ripped off the door, got the rubber thingy stuck inside |
| 02:16.32 | rposa | and when they put on a new door........ |
| 02:16.40 | rposa | didn't get the rubber thingy out.. |
| 02:16.48 | rposa | i'm not worried .. I use the sprint "slider" case.. |
| 02:16.54 | rposa | the one with the built in slide.. |
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| 02:22.14 | markstagg | is there anyone who applied the metadoctor_ |
| 02:22.30 | rposa | Err ... Ok .. I just installed Preware with the Quick Installer.. |
| 02:22.34 | rposa | It ... didn't ... work. |
| 02:22.56 | rwhitby | rposa: try a reboo |
| 02:22.57 | rwhitby | t |
| 02:23.10 | rposa | rwhitby: Yeah, doing that now. |
| 02:23.44 | rposa | It was weird, I selected Package Manager and Preware and it installed. I got an icon for both in the launcher. Preware ran .. but only would show installed applications. Everything else was greyed out. |
| 02:26.13 | rposa | ok .. works now |
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| 02:46.45 | rwhitby | finishes doing plugs for Preware on the PalmCast ... |
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| 02:51.17 | scoutcamper | how do i install novacomd in windows 7? |
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| 02:53.01 | rwhitby | bbl |
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| 02:53.58 | Abyssul | google |
| 02:58.10 | Abyssul | bad Pre! send my text! |
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| 03:01.15 | jack1987_ | why is watercooler always so empty |
| 03:01.26 | jack1987_ | was the log ever fixed by the way |
| 03:02.39 | jack1987_ | i guess this one is dead to |
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| 03:09.43 | zsoc | dead in what way? |
| 03:10.27 | jack1987_ | no one is speaking to poor o me |
| 03:10.58 | gkatsev | zsoc: zombie appocalypse |
| 03:11.10 | zsoc | what would you like to converse about? |
| 03:11.18 | gkatsev | i recommend carrying an ak47, a deagle, a katana and a commando knife |
| 03:11.18 | zsoc | gkatsev, always a good death |
| 03:11.23 | jack1987_ | nothing now sheesh |
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| 03:11.42 | zsoc | ha |
| 03:11.53 | jack1987_ | can i have a grenade gkatsev |
| 03:13.03 | gkatsev | sure. but, ive just saying that the ak47, deagle, katana and a commando knife are like a minimum necessities for survival. |
| 03:13.13 | gkatsev | just read zombie survival guide |
| 03:13.22 | gkatsev | great read |
| 03:13.33 | gkatsev | also, max brooks is mel brooks's son. |
| 03:14.23 | acydlord_alt | zombie apocalypse would be more like undead than dead |
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| 03:16.15 | gkatsev_zhunter | kills everyone again to make sure no one rises from the dead |
| 03:19.55 | acydlord_alt | remove the heads |
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| 03:21.35 | gkatsev_zhunter | remove the heads and burn them. |
| 03:22.19 | gkatsev_zhunter | burn the bodies as well. they are toxic |
| 03:22.43 | thatdude | oO |
| 03:24.01 | zsoc | ~seen ajames |
| 03:24.03 | infobot | ajames <n=andrew@216.160.189.238> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 48d 1h 11m 9s ago, saying: 'but not just eliminating them'. |
| 03:24.27 | zsoc | ouch |
| 03:30.41 | Abyssul | Hmm I cant seem to be able to remove bluetooth from the device menu |
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| 03:32.39 | Manifest | Hi, I currently have Preware installed on my Pre running 1.2.1. I would like to upgrade to 1.3.1, are there any precautions I should take since Preware is on my Pre? |
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| 03:33.45 | zsoc | Manifest, uninstall theme, remove patches (EPR), rinse |
| 03:33.45 | sdodson | Manifest: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions describes the steps one should take |
| 03:34.00 | zsoc | oh, right, wiki. forgot people actually update those sometimes :P |
| 03:34.06 | Manifest | Haha, thanks guys. |
| 03:35.55 | Manifest | Does anyone know if the MyTether app works on 1.3.1? |
| 03:37.13 | Abyssul | Not as far as I know Manifest, the paid version works, but the free version does not |
| 03:37.46 | Manifest | Abyssul: Any clue where I can get the paid version for free? How much is it? If it's a reasonable price I'll buy it, but if it's more than like $10.00 then I'm not going to use it. |
| 03:38.29 | Abyssul | Against IRC topic |
| 03:38.47 | Manifest | Ah, thanks for the warning. |
| 03:38.50 | LurkerXXX__ | nice to come intoa channel with lots of developers and ask to steal... |
| 03:39.22 | Manifest | It's also nice to be reasonable with prices, charging more than 10.00 for a simple app is outrageous. |
| 03:39.31 | LurkerXXX__ | then don't buy it |
| 03:39.31 | Abyssul | http://mytether.net/ |
| 03:39.39 | LurkerXXX__ | and don't steal it or use it |
| 03:39.46 | zsoc | I agree with both the channel manifesto, and my personal dislike of the app |
| 03:39.51 | gkatsev_zhunter | everyone: PuffTheMagic is working on freeTether! |
| 03:39.54 | Abyssul | $15 |
| 03:40.21 | Abyssul | gkatsev_zhunter: Nice... :) |
| 03:40.27 | Manifest | Abyssul: I know their site, but if the free version doesn't work on 1.3.1, then I'm up a river without a paddle. |
| 03:40.41 | Abyssul | Then buy the paid |
| 03:40.47 | Manifest | Abyssul: How much is it? |
| 03:40.55 | Abyssul | $15 |
| 03:40.57 | Manifest | Ok. |
| 03:40.59 | PuffTheMagic | why the hell would you waste the money on that |
| 03:41.02 | PuffTheMagic | thats crazy |
| 03:41.04 | Abyssul | Aonic doesn't support the free version as far as I know |
| 03:41.06 | Manifest | PuffTheMagic: Not intending to it. |
| 03:41.08 | gkatsev_zhunter | Abyssul: he raised the "suggested" donation? |
| 03:41.15 | Abyssul | Yep |
| 03:41.20 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 03:41.26 | gkatsev_zhunter | really? wtf? |
| 03:41.32 | Manifest | PuffTheMagic: I think 5 bucks, if that, would be more reasonable on that app, but 15 dollars is just unnecessary. |
| 03:41.34 | gkatsev_zhunter | i would never pay $15 for it... |
| 03:41.34 | Abyssul | I just went to the donate link and its $15 for "instructions" |
| 03:41.49 | Manifest | To go off the conversation for a minute, how long does it take to download 1.3.1? |
| 03:41.55 | PuffTheMagic | i think he is trying to squeeze in a few dollars before i obsolet his app |
| 03:42.01 | PuffTheMagic | obsolete |
| 03:42.06 | gkatsev_zhunter | Manifest: wifi, evdo or 1x? |
| 03:42.08 | Abyssul | Wifi = 5 mins, EVDO = 10mins |
| 03:42.12 | Manifest | gkatsev_zhunter: EVDO. |
| 03:42.18 | Abyssul | 1x = 2 days |
| 03:42.21 | gkatsev_zhunter | 1xRTT=36 hours |
| 03:42.27 | Manifest | Abyssul: I'll switch to WiFi then :) |
| 03:42.28 | gkatsev_zhunter | according to precentral |
| 03:42.31 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic, do it faster please. |
| 03:42.34 | PuffTheMagic | wtf are you talking about? |
| 03:42.36 | Abyssul | Wifi is nearly always faster |
| 03:42.51 | gkatsev_zhunter | Manifest: especially if you enable the unthrottle download manager |
| 03:42.57 | PuffTheMagic | what is this wifi/evdo/1x crap? |
| 03:43.00 | Manifest | gkatsev_zhunter: The what? |
| 03:43.00 | Abyssul | aye^ |
| 03:43.12 | Manifest | PuffTheMagic: Talking about how long it takes to download 1.3.1 on Evdo, WiFi, and 1x |
| 03:43.20 | gkatsev_zhunter | Manifest: there's a patch. |
| 03:43.25 | PuffTheMagic | oh |
| 03:43.26 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 03:43.38 | Abyssul | oh my... lol |
| 03:44.11 | Abyssul | I can't remove bluetooth and airplane mode from the device menu. It keeps glitching. Anyone wanna lend a hand? |
| 03:44.27 | Manifest | Abyssul: Would help if I knew how to, sorry :( |
| 03:44.54 | Abyssul | You'd think deleting the entry in the html file would hide it |
| 03:46.31 | Abyssul | Stupid code |
| 03:46.34 | Abyssul | i give up lol |
| 03:46.38 | gkatsev_zhunter | lol |
| 03:47.00 | Manifest | Wow, WiFi DOES make the download for 1.3.1 go significantly faster...3/4 of the way done. |
| 03:47.26 | Abyssul | common sense |
| 03:47.37 | Manifest | Abyssul: I actually forgot about WiFi on the pre. Hahaha. |
| 03:47.42 | gkatsev_zhunter | Manifest: of course wifi is faster. |
| 03:47.44 | gkatsev_zhunter | Manifest: haha |
| 03:47.46 | Abyssul | I use it all the time |
| 03:47.50 | thatdude | decides to close his session.... wow |
| 03:48.10 | Manifest | Abyssul: I heard it drains the battery faster, actually, probably why I don't use it a lot. |
| 03:48.20 | Abyssul | It consumes less battery... |
| 03:48.25 | Abyssul | Proven |
| 03:48.46 | gkatsev_zhunter | Manifest: it uses less as it turns the wifi off when you arent using it |
| 03:48.48 | Manifest | Abyssul: Wow, I'll definitely start using it then, that was the first I've heard of that. What about leaving it on while not in range of any networks? |
| 03:49.20 | Abyssul | I usually turn it off if I dont plan on using Wifi in the next hour |
| 03:49.30 | gkatsev_zhunter | Manifest: leaving it when not connected will drain battery more because it will be searching for networks |
| 03:49.34 | Abyssul | So it doesn't search for a network when I unlock my phone |
| 03:49.38 | Manifest | gkatsev_zhunter: Ok thanks. |
| 03:49.51 | Abyssul | It only searches for networks when you unlock the phone |
| 03:50.05 | Manifest | Oh, so if your phone is off it should be fine then, correct? |
| 03:50.06 | gkatsev_zhunter | Abyssul: does it? |
| 03:50.27 | Abyssul | I'm pretty sure. The wifi icon is off when it's locked |
| 03:50.33 | Manifest | I'm a student myself, and I keep my phone in my pocket while in classes...unfortunately, our school has some crappy reception, and my battery dies VERY quickly trying to search for a signal. |
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| 03:50.37 | Abyssul | and begins searching and activated once you unlock it |
| 03:50.49 | Manifest | Ah. |
| 03:51.02 | Abyssul | Manifest, try turning off data connection to save battery if you can't get a signal |
| 03:51.18 | Abyssul | You may not have internet, but thats just circumstances. |
| 03:51.19 | Manifest | Abyssul: I know, I just turn it on 'airplane mode' while I'm in class. |
| 03:51.36 | Abyssul | well at least if you turn off data connection you still can call and get texts |
| 03:51.50 | Abyssul | and uses like 0 battery |
| 03:52.07 | *** part/#webos-internals thatdude|wIRC (n=wIRCer@pool-96-224-11-204.nycmny.east.verizon.net) |
| 03:52.46 | Manifest | Abyssul: Oh, I didn't know that. Where do you turn that off at? |
| 03:52.56 | gkatsev_zhunter | airplane mode! |
| 03:53.10 | Abyssul | Well without a patch, you can go to the phone app preferences |
| 03:53.25 | *** join/#webos-internals muchtall (n=muchtall@75-146-189-25-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 03:53.29 | gkatsev_zhunter | turn the data off. |
| 03:53.30 | Abyssul | but there is a patch that creates a list entry in the device menu to change the setting |
| 03:54.21 | Abyssul | gkatsev_zhunter: learn something new? :) |
| 03:54.37 | gkatsev_zhunter | Abyssul: no. i knew that |
| 03:55.08 | Abyssul | About wifi not searching for networks while idle? |
| 03:55.13 | Manifest | Abyssul: I saw that in preware, I'll have to install it when I'm finished with the upgrade to 1.3.1 tomorrow. |
| 03:55.14 | gkatsev_zhunter | Abyssul: ah, yeah. |
| 03:56.45 | zsoc | turning data off doesn't do much to save battery... |
| 03:57.14 | LurkerXXX__ | turning data off saves a LOT of battery |
| 03:57.21 | Manifest | So once I'm running 1.3.1, what do I do? Will preware still work and stuff? |
| 03:57.55 | gkatsev_zhunter | Manifest: yes. it will only show you stuff that work in 1.3.1 |
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| 03:58.24 | markstagg | how can i make sure my pre is conected right in ubuntu... |
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| 03:58.30 | Abyssul | To give an example, I lost 65% of my battery in... 2 hours because my Pre was searching for a internet signal. After that, I turn data off and got 22% out of 5 hours of searching signal. |
| 03:58.34 | Manifest | markstagg: It should appear on your desktop as a drive. |
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| 03:58.46 | Abyssul | Data is a big deal lol |
| 03:58.50 | markstagg | manifest, and if it does not |
| 03:58.52 | Manifest | gkatsev_zhunter: alright, awesome. What about WOQI? Will I be able to install stuff through the menu like before? Where you just checkmark LED for example, and have it installed? |
| 03:58.54 | zsoc | ponders |
| 03:59.10 | Manifest | markstagg: Than it's probably not connected. Try switching USB ports and make SURE you select "USB Drive" when you plug in your pre to your computer. |
| 03:59.26 | gkatsev_zhunter | Manifest: i think WQI was updated to support 1.3.1, though, not sure. |
| 03:59.44 | markstagg | yes i did the volume up trick and the usb sign apears on my pre but my computer does not recornise |
| 03:59.45 | Manifest | gkatsev_zhunter: Does it do it automatically? Or do I have to download a new version? |
| 04:00.05 | Manifest | markstagg: Volume up trick? |
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| 04:00.30 | markstagg | yes, power up buton and volume up buton similair |
| 04:00.41 | Manifest | markstagg: Sorry, not sure what you're talking about...listen... |
| 04:00.47 | Abyssul | Hold volume up as you insert the usb cord |
| 04:00.55 | Abyssul | you also have to take out the battery |
| 04:00.57 | markstagg | Abyssul: dit that |
| 04:01.08 | Manifest | markstagg: You should plug the USB end of the cable into your computer, then you should plug in the other end to your Pre. After that, your Pre should recognize that its been plugged in. Then select "USB Drive" and you should be fine. |
| 04:01.33 | Manifest | markstagg: If that doesn't work, I can't help you. I'm running Jaunty myself, and it works fine when I plug it in. It's recognized and all. |
| 04:01.57 | gkatsev_zhunter | Manifest: you might want to make sure that there isnt a new version to dl. |
| 04:02.06 | Manifest | gkatsev_zhunter: Where would I check? |
| 04:02.22 | zsoc | Oh, if markstagg is running ubuntu 9.10, he'll need a different package |
| 04:02.38 | gkatsev_zhunter | Manifest: the thread on precentral |
| 04:02.48 | zsoc | markstagg, i'm assuming you're trying to connect to metadoctor? |
| 04:02.55 | Manifest | Ewwww 9.10. |
| 04:03.09 | zsoc | Manifest, oh stop :P |
| 04:03.51 | gkatsev_zhunter | Manifest: whats wrong with karmic? |
| 04:03.52 | markstagg | zsoc yes |
| 04:04.00 | Manifest | Seriously! I updated to Karmic a week after it came out...my gfx card spat on it, and I got screwed! Had to fresh install Jaunty...had a backup of everything. |
| 04:04.04 | markstagg | zsoc, what kind of package_ |
| 04:04.09 | zsoc | gkatsev_zhunter, default novacom package doesn't install |
| 04:04.17 | zsoc | markstagg, hold on, i'll get you the commands in a second |
| 04:04.17 | gkatsev_zhunter | ah |
| 04:04.25 | markstagg | great thanks zsoc |
| 04:04.29 | Manifest | Karmic was still extremely buggy when I downloaded it, I'm going to wait for lynx to come out and THEN I'll consider upgrading again. |
| 04:04.56 | zsoc | markstagg, wget http://www.codemonkies.net/linux/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/palm-novacom_0.3-svn177284-hud9_debian_i3861.deb |
| 04:05.07 | rwhitby | FYI: Virtual Keyboard 1.3.1 is now available in the Patches/Mojo section of Preware |
| 04:05.08 | zsoc | markstagg, dpkg -i palm-novacom_0.3-svn177284-hud9_debian_i3861.deb |
| 04:05.13 | Manifest | I mean, I spent the whole day downloading & upgrading, and then when I finally boot up, compiz caused a hiccup where I couldn't move anything or my computer would lock up. So obviously, I couldn't open terminal to terminate it, so I basically got screwed |
| 04:05.19 | gkatsev_zhunter | rwhitby: cool! |
| 04:05.30 | Manifest | rwhitby: Excellent :) |
| 04:05.47 | furball | Very cool |
| 04:06.03 | zsoc | Manifest, you could just boot up in recovery mode and change your default window manager to metacity... |
| 04:06.37 | Manifest | zsoc: Ehh, I REALLY liked compiz, and a lot of things I use on Jaunty require compiz, so I couldn't use Karmic without it. Hopefully when I download it in april it should be fine. |
| 04:06.58 | Manifest | I learned never to install a new version of Ubuntu the week after it comes out, because it's still extremely buggy. |
| 04:07.10 | zsoc | Manifest, well that would allow you to boot up, to fix compiz :P and honestly the problem was probably video card driver related |
| 04:07.20 | Manifest | Yeah, it was. |
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| 04:07.34 | Manifest | My computer is very cheap, I'm getting a MacBook Pro 17" next month |
| 04:07.51 | Manifest | Well, it's late in the eastern coast, gonna get some sleep while my pre is upgrading. Thanks for the help, guys :). |
| 04:08.08 | zsoc | peace |
| 04:08.08 | gkatsev_zhunter | bleh, apple. i like the design and the OS is not bad. but soooo expensive... |
| 04:08.27 | zsoc | mimics OSX with compiz and avant-window-navigator :P |
| 04:09.06 | tom_ | any clues why availble patches not showing up on preware... on my phone |
| 04:09.32 | furball | Did you reload the patch "feed"? |
| 04:09.44 | tom_ | yea |
| 04:10.25 | furball | Did the same for me, but I cant rememebr what got them to start listing gain |
| 04:10.48 | tom_ | had so many problems after updating to1.3.1 |
| 04:11.14 | furball | you do have "show patches" turned on in preferences? |
| 04:11.21 | tom_ | had to reset phone |
| 04:11.27 | tom_ | yes |
| 04:11.51 | furball | How much time does it take to make an app? |
| 04:11.52 | tom_ | ran web os doctor |
| 04:12.15 | hckyplayer024 | PuffTheMagic I heard you were working on freetether? I was just wondering how that was working out |
| 04:12.25 | tom_ | not long |
| 04:12.43 | furball | hundreds of hours, or tens of hours? |
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| 04:13.52 | PuffTheMagic | hckyplayer024: well its not complicated, i have a workaround for the ip_forward thing that palm cant get around and does not require killing any processes, i just need to peel my self way from working on wIRC to get a release of freeTether out |
| 04:14.20 | hckyplayer024 | I see, well your hard work is greatly appreciated, you guys are the best |
| 04:14.48 | hckyplayer024 | and if you ever need anyone to beta/alpha test for you I'd be more than happy to be of any help I can |
| 04:14.51 | rwhitby | gkatsev_zhunter, Manifest, furball: the kudos go to egaudet |
| 04:15.06 | gkatsev_zhunter | rwhitby: yeah, definitely. |
| 04:15.12 | gkatsev_zhunter | egaudet: THANKS! |
| 04:15.36 | Abyssul | I can't believe we don't have a longer vibrate option |
| 04:15.47 | Abyssul | still stuck with the weak short default one |
| 04:16.58 | zsoc | No dont' appreciate Puff's work. Seriously, he came up with this genius idea and refuses to implement it because he's stuck on his new toy :P |
| 04:17.39 | Abyssul | Puff has a pixi? :p |
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| 04:21.58 | hckyplayer024 | abyssul: I think he was referring to wIRC |
| 04:22.35 | Abyssul | I figured, I was just creating convo |
| 04:23.05 | hckyplayer024 | lol |
| 04:23.27 | HattCzech | so what happed to the virtual keyboard for it to become obsolete? |
| 04:23.50 | Abyssul | VK is operational again |
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| 04:24.15 | HattCzech | ahhh, is it in one of the feeds? |
| 04:24.27 | MiX-MaN | orry? |
| 04:24.27 | Abyssul | It was updated a hour or two ago |
| 04:24.31 | MiX-MaN | sweet |
| 04:24.34 | sgalla04_ | can anyone help with preware 0.9.9? |
| 04:24.36 | MiX-MaN | 1.3.1 support? |
| 04:24.42 | Abyssul | Yes |
| 04:24.44 | MiX-MaN | =D |
| 04:25.03 | rwhitby | HattCzech: Patches/Mojo - don't you follow @webosinternals on twitter to get the latest news? |
| 04:25.15 | sgalla04_ | yeah does not work after web os update |
| 04:25.23 | rwhitby | sgalla04_: what doesn't work |
| 04:25.40 | HattCzech | I've been out of it for a bit, trying to get back in the groove |
| 04:25.53 | sgalla04_ | it says I need the package manager service running |
| 04:25.53 | HattCzech | haven't been watching twitter much |
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| 04:26.24 | sgalla04_ | but I kno it is installed and I have re installed it with a reinstall of preware too |
| 04:26.27 | Abyssul | twitter sucks :p |
| 04:27.12 | gkatsev_zhunter | twitter is awesome |
| 04:27.19 | sgalla04_ | prw ware does not run after web os update |
| 04:27.20 | gkatsev_zhunter | slays Abyssul |
| 04:27.24 | HattCzech | luna restart, be back soon |
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| 04:27.50 | MiX-MaN | !twitter -control follow webosinternals |
| 04:27.54 | MiX-MaN | oops |
| 04:27.57 | MiX-MaN | wrong chan :D |
| 04:28.09 | Abyssul | Im not going to get into how twitter will crumble :p |
| 04:28.23 | sgalla04_ | I would prefer not to have to webos doctor |
| 04:28.26 | gkatsev_zhunter | Abyssul: you cant talk. you are dead |
| 04:28.40 | Abyssul | Trying to find a way to have tweets from webos-internals be sent as a email. Kind've like a feed |
| 04:29.06 | gkatsev_zhunter | Abyssul: twitter has rss feeds for users |
| 04:29.07 | hckyplayer024 | by the way rwhitby the speed improvement in the new preware is awesome |
| 04:29.44 | sgalla04_ | I wish I knew. It won't load! |
| 04:29.57 | hckyplayer024 | close and open again |
| 04:30.25 | MiX-MaN | Abyssul: i could prob whip up something in tcl... not tonight though |
| 04:30.25 | AnOutsider | rwhitby: just added the "Category" field to the Source JSON for feeds |
| 04:30.40 | MiX-MaN | i think twitter has an option like that though |
| 04:30.47 | MiX-MaN | i just SMS anything i deem important |
| 04:31.15 | MiX-MaN | which is'nt much now'a'days... about to kick cnnbrk to the curb |
| 04:31.33 | sgalla04_ | I have restarted and preware is looking for the package manager service. But I kno it is there. |
| 04:31.37 | rwhitby | hckyplayer024: kudos to oil for the speed improvement |
| 04:31.42 | MiX-MaN | def :) |
| 04:31.55 | hckyplayer024 | thanks oil! |
| 04:32.05 | oil | uh? |
| 04:32.10 | MiX-MaN | heh |
| 04:32.19 | oil | just woke up |
| 04:32.19 | hckyplayer024 | speed improvements in preware |
| 04:32.22 | gkatsev_zhunter | Abyssul: http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline/64349812.rss and http://www.feedmyinbox.com/ |
| 04:32.28 | oil | oh |
| 04:32.33 | rwhitby | sgalla04_: can you get a command line? |
| 04:33.16 | sgalla04_ | through terminal? |
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| 04:33.34 | MiX-MaN | oh in that case.. oil: thanks for your part in wirc =D |
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| 04:35.25 | sgalla04_ | I have terminal open and ready for a command |
| 04:36.46 | rwhitby | sgalla04_: luna-send -n 1 luna://org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/status '{}' |
| 04:36.52 | rwhitby | sgalla04_: then try Preware again |
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| 04:40.35 | markstagg | rwhitby: Thank u verry much for |
| 04:40.43 | epv | can you even type {} in terminal? |
| 04:41.01 | markstagg | rwhitby: Thank u verry much for the Metadoctor |
| 04:41.26 | markstagg | is there any way i could delete all contacts at once... |
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| 04:42.02 | sgalla04_ | I can't type the brackets |
| 04:43.08 | rwhitby | sgalla04_: try without the brackets then, but it may not work |
| 04:44.49 | sgalla04_ | I got: luna-send uri message |
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| 04:45.38 | atlanta | Hey all |
| 04:45.55 | atlanta | Anybody had the problem with the downloadmanager not running? |
| 04:46.20 | atlanta | Like when I'm in the app catalog and click to download it cancels and go to catalog unavailable |
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| 04:54.22 | rwhitby | creates http://install.preware.org/ domain |
| 04:56.32 | zsoc | rwhitby, what? 'get.' isn't good enough? or you want to do in-browser plugin installation? |
| 04:58.19 | AnOutsider | it redirects to instructions |
| 04:59.21 | zsoc | rwhitby, pm :) if you get a sec |
| 04:59.49 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: and is easier to type in forum posts where they can't get fileCoaster to work ;-) |
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| 05:03.51 | oil | http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=3244 |
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| 05:06.35 | amdx | Hello |
| 05:07.06 | oc80z | yup |
| 05:07.10 | amdx | Has anyone here experienced decline in the pre's speed after they updated it? |
| 05:07.21 | oc80z | opposite. |
| 05:07.31 | zsoc | Someone walk me through using dbus-launch to scan output of .. stuff going on in my phone? |
| 05:07.44 | oc80z | whats the problem amdx zsoc |
| 05:07.59 | zsoc | .... what |
| 05:08.10 | amdx | My phone got extremely slow after I updated it to 1.3 |
| 05:08.21 | amdx | How can I fix that? |
| 05:08.32 | rwhitby | zsoc: dbus-util --capture org.foo.service |
| 05:08.54 | oc80z | amdx what type of modifications have you done , if any? |
| 05:09.14 | amdx | A bunch of patches that's all |
| 05:09.19 | zsoc | rwhitby, does it only work on services? |
| 05:09.25 | rwhitby | heh - "that's all" :-) |
| 05:09.27 | oc80z | you removed them before you installed? |
| 05:09.34 | oc80z | installed/updated? |
| 05:09.38 | amdx | Yeah |
| 05:09.38 | zsoc | rwhitby, i mean i can use it on any running utility? |
| 05:09.48 | amdx | I did the emergency patch thing |
| 05:09.51 | rwhitby | zsoc: on any service I think |
| 05:09.54 | oc80z | where there any enabled in webosquickinstall.jar that you forgot to disable ? |
| 05:10.02 | amdx | Then I restarted luna and updated |
| 05:10.23 | oc80z | well can you get access via SSH/Nova and debug it real quick? |
| 05:10.41 | oc80z | eg, check memory, swap, disk, cpu |
| 05:10.46 | amdx | How can I do that? |
| 05:10.51 | oc80z | see if anything is floored or thrashing |
| 05:11.04 | oc80z | erra |
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| 05:11.28 | amdx | I am not really a code person I just know how to follow directions :D |
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| 05:11.44 | zsoc | rwhitby, is there any way of capturing stdout/err being displayed in a different tty but from the same user? like a trailing.. log.. or something.. or cloned tty |
| 05:11.47 | oc80z | hmm |
| 05:11.57 | preston | is this the right channel to ask about the workings of the email app? |
| 05:12.02 | oc80z | well have you enabled developer mode |
| 05:12.09 | oc80z | yeah shoot preston |
| 05:12.22 | amdx | Yes |
| 05:12.37 | rwhitby | zsoc: 2>stderr.log 1>stdout.log |
| 05:12.46 | preston | is there a way to force it to accept security certificates it believes are invalid? |
| 05:13.03 | oc80z | do you have novaterm set up? |
| 05:13.08 | PuffTheMagic | &> both |
| 05:13.27 | amdx | Is that the termanal |
| 05:13.41 | amdx | *terminal |
| 05:14.07 | oc80z | Sure yeah |
| 05:14.14 | oc80z | erll |
| 05:14.16 | oc80z | no |
| 05:14.25 | zsoc | rwhitby, so if nothing appears in those log files after i call a command line utility.. then the call isn't getting there? is that a pretty good conclusion? |
| 05:14.28 | amdx | ...? |
| 05:14.33 | oc80z | amdx: ill throw you a website , let me know if this looks familiar , look onthe right, under Procedure: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux |
| 05:14.53 | rwhitby | zsoc: depends if it's using dbus and you got the service id correct |
| 05:14.59 | zsoc | i see now |
| 05:15.22 | zsoc | rwhitby, and for 2> and 1> to do anything, it needs to be appended to the actual command, correct? |
| 05:15.44 | rwhitby | zsoc: yep |
| 05:15.46 | oc80z | wait wait |
| 05:15.49 | oc80z | amdx: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/195043-setting-up-novacom-windows-7-easier-method.html |
| 05:15.57 | rwhitby | zsoc: or just leave them off and watch it go by |
| 05:16.10 | oc80z | i am trying to get you on the right path |
| 05:16.16 | zsoc | rwhitby, right, unless that command is being called from a service, in which case you aren't watching anything ;) |
| 05:16.23 | oc80z | infobot: root pre |
| 05:16.24 | infobot | ACTION uses a keylogger to pwnz all pre 's boxen. |
| 05:16.24 | oc80z | :P |
| 05:16.41 | oc80z | boot access is root access |
| 05:16.52 | amdx | I c |
| 05:17.09 | oc80z | arg, ill find the walk through |
| 05:17.27 | zsoc | What's the best way to verify a service is running? |
| 05:17.36 | PuffTheMagic | use it |
| 05:17.38 | oc80z | which service |
| 05:17.44 | zsoc | mine :P |
| 05:17.45 | oc80z | heh thats true. |
| 05:17.58 | preston | oc80z, can I force email app to accept invalid certificates? |
| 05:18.00 | zsoc | Right of course. Ok, it's definitely running :P |
| 05:18.05 | zsoc | Thanks puff, that actually helped. |
| 05:18.16 | oc80z | preston i was trying to figure that out a month ago |
| 05:18.31 | PuffTheMagic | u asked for the best |
| 05:18.43 | oc80z | zsoc look up netstat and ps |
| 05:18.46 | oc80z | heh |
| 05:18.48 | zsoc | no no, i wasn't being sarcastic :p |
| 05:18.59 | preston | oc80z, I take it you didn't have any success? |
| 05:19.07 | zsoc | ps isn't showing the service.. and this doesn't involve.. er.. any net application |
| 05:19.23 | oc80z | preston it fixed itself :/ |
| 05:19.31 | *** part/#webos-internals amdx (n=wIRCer@cpe-69-203-208-135.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 05:19.32 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: with java services there is no easy way |
| 05:19.39 | PuffTheMagic | they suck |
| 05:19.46 | oc80z | http://tkgeisel.com/stuff/novaterm-1.zip |
| 05:20.01 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic, well i have a call in my app that tells me if the service _isn't_ running. i just now realized it wasn't coming up, so clearly it's running :P |
| 05:20.14 | oc80z | amdx just died. |
| 05:20.16 | oc80z | :/ |
| 05:20.45 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: or your call is fail |
| 05:20.47 | preston | oc80z, I didn't have a problem, but now since 1.3.1 it refuses all self-signed certificates. |
| 05:21.10 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic, well it tells me it's not running if it's not running :P already got that much, heh |
| 05:21.12 | oc80z | :-O |
| 05:21.15 | oc80z | what the shit |
| 05:21.35 | oc80z | well what about /etc/ssl/certs |
| 05:21.49 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: it will also say that ifthere is a typeo |
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| 05:22.31 | zsoc | heh |
| 05:22.56 | oc80z | can you append your self signed pubic a |
| 05:22.58 | oc80z | ca* |
| 05:24.46 | preston | I will do it later tonight. I'm on wirc and nowhere near my pc |
| 05:24.51 | rwhitby | zsoc: for java services, call the status method. if your java service doesn't have a status method, add one. |
| 05:25.42 | oc80z | oh |
| 05:25.48 | PuffTheMagic | a getVersion method is a little more usefull though |
| 05:25.50 | oc80z | it should work |
| 05:26.16 | zsoc | rwhitby, i got a response with dbus-util.. but the call looks fine. i'm going to have to add logging on the end of the command it's executing |
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| 05:28.43 | zsoc | oh god. should i assume 'string' matching is case sensitive in java and javascript? |
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| 05:33.21 | oc80z | preware open? |
| 05:33.34 | oc80z | izon the git n/ |
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| 05:35.06 | oc80z | rw, your just hammering away on the git man |
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| 06:06.57 | fantasynwa | Hi. I have a couple of patches (Messaging/Timestampes-Fancy and Browser Multi-Mod) that show as not installed, but when I try to install them it doesn't succeed and the log says "Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!"... it looks like the patch actually IS installed, I see timestamps in messaging... for the sake of being able to remove patches for the next webOS OTA update though, I'd like to get it showin |
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| 06:46.00 | Eguy | zsoc: ping |
| 06:46.09 | zsoc | egaudet, hm? |
| 06:46.13 | zsoc | OH GOD I DID IT |
| 06:46.20 | zsoc | Eguy, yes :P |
| 06:46.41 | Eguy | lol |
| 06:46.48 | Eguy | was that you today? |
| 06:47.31 | zsoc | who? |
| 06:47.38 | Eguy | in the palmcast |
| 06:47.48 | zsoc | no derek did the palm case, and that other weird guy with the hat |
| 06:47.59 | Eguy | no in the chat |
| 06:51.20 | zsoc | no i never chat, it always scrolls by so fast. i just watch for rod telling everyone how great preware is |
| 06:51.32 | Eguy | hahahah |
| 06:53.25 | zsoc | they are like subliminal messages |
| 06:53.35 | zsoc | dieter: oh this new app does this and that |
| 06:53.44 | zsoc | rod: new app is great, INSTALL IT WITH PREWARE!!!! |
| 06:53.58 | zsoc | only you only see it for .3 seconds |
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| 06:58.18 | timmyb | Hey |
| 06:58.57 | timmyb | I have webos 1.2 and when I goto the update app it says there are no updates |
| 06:59.11 | timmyb | How do I dl 1.3.1? |
| 06:59.56 | rwhitby | zsoc: heh - i did go a bit over the top today in the chatroll ... |
| 07:00.21 | zsoc | rwhitby, oh no it's great, like i said, my favorite part :D |
| 07:01.12 | rwhitby | at least we got them to restart the recording for mentioning patching the pixi |
| 07:06.03 | timmyb | Anyone? |
| 07:07.59 | zsoc | rwhitby, is there a way to subscribe to a live proccess? like i want the output of stdout... AS it's happening.. like lets say i got 1&2>file.log .. is there a command to, on another terminal, read the contents of file.log live? |
| 07:08.38 | zsoc | i remember doing it once during a quiet install process, there was a command you could type on another terminal to get verbose.. maybe a function of 'tail'? |
| 07:09.22 | Eguy | Rod is a great promoter |
| 07:09.48 | rwhitby | zsoc: tail -f |
| 07:11.03 | zsoc | ty |
| 07:11.08 | rwhitby | bbl |
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| 07:11.24 | rwhitby | zsoc: are you waiting on me for anything? |
| 07:11.38 | rwhitby | zsoc: I'll look at packaging the service tonight |
| 07:11.45 | antianalog | did anyone else get flooded with a prompt to dl a BOUNCEATTACK.TXT file either yesterday or today? |
| 07:12.05 | Eguy | Nein |
| 07:12.17 | zsoc | rwhitby, nope, we're good, i'm debugging service calls at the moment.. going pretty well actually |
| 07:12.26 | rwhitby | ok, catch you later |
| 07:12.50 | Eguy | I just fell out of my chair |
| 07:15.18 | zsoc | Eguy, literally? |
| 07:15.43 | Eguy | Yes |
| 07:16.09 | epv | why? |
| 07:16.27 | timmyb | Noone knows how I can update webos? |
| 07:16.29 | Eguy | was moving and I fell off |
| 07:16.41 | epv | haha |
| 07:16.55 | Eguy | I probably injured myself |
| 07:17.27 | epv | :( |
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| 07:30.11 | grndslm | antianalog: i did... came from the ##security channel, I believe |
| 07:30.24 | grndslm | couple other users got the same "attack" |
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| 07:40.03 | trim-pre | virtual keyboars wrks now..cool\n |
| 07:43.59 | jack1987_ | goodnight all! |
| 07:48.24 | jack1987_ | for the record.... mytether free version is supported. |
| 07:48.38 | jack1987_ | http://themxweb.com/2009/11/17/free-my-tether-back-to-life-in-1-3-1/?preview=true&preview_id=521&preview_nonce=b27a453634 |
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| 08:10.26 | *** topic/#webos-internals is Discussion about webOS internals (not webOS SDK usage - use #webos for that, or wIRC - use #wirc for that). Honor all licenses, carrier agreements and Palm code copyrights when speaking here. Twitter: @webosinternals Logs: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/ Wiki: http://www.webos-internals.org/ Pastebin: http://webos.pastebin.com/ Announcements: http://groups.google.com/group/webos-internals-announce We do not condone subverting paymen |
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| 08:15.15 | fearphage | have you guys ever tried to put the wifi into promiscious mode? |
| 08:15.36 | oil | my pre is not slutty |
| 08:16.27 | fearphage | or so you think |
| 08:16.41 | fearphage | you think it's charging on the nightstand |
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| 11:40.39 | rwhitby | Preware 0.9.10 is ready for alpha testing - new feature is theme category support. |
| 11:48.34 | freakout | oho. really, rwhitby |
| 11:49.08 | rwhitby | yep, PreThemer.com has themes already, and PreCentral is going to add them. |
| 11:49.17 | rwhitby | s/themes/categories/ |
| 11:49.37 | rwhitby | is updating meta-doctor for pixi |
| 11:49.53 | freakout | is downloading from the testing feed |
| 11:52.22 | freakout | The Pixi must be really annoying, with the having to maintain two seperate compilations |
| 11:53.31 | rwhitby | It's the price you pay for being the inclusive development group that we are ;-) |
| 11:54.00 | freakout | heh. WOSI are equal-opportunity, eh |
| 11:54.13 | freakout | Man, I can't freaking wait for the GSM update |
| 11:54.27 | freakout | The emulator mocks me, with the 5x4 icons patch installed |
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| 11:55.06 | freakout | I'd stay on the Sprint Doctor, but I can't make the App Cat work on it |
| 11:55.40 | freakout | and I figure there's better news opportunities in covering the GSM version, since PreCentral are all over the CDMA one |
| 11:57.00 | freakout | Also, wow. Since I got the Pre I haven't touched the emu in ages |
| 11:57.05 | freakout | it really is amazingly faster |
| 11:58.26 | freakout | rwhitby: how far do you think you are from Preware 1.0, anyways? |
| 11:58.45 | rwhitby | freakout: less than 0.1.0 away ... |
| 11:59.03 | freakout | heh. hence the question ;) |
| 12:01.52 | rwhitby | meta-doctor now supports the pixi |
| 12:02.13 | freakout | I really must get around to meta-doctoring my Pre to fix the QWERTZ |
| 12:02.26 | rwhitby | freakout: did you blog that virtual keyboard for 1.3.1 is out? |
| 12:02.41 | rwhitby | freakout: did you blog about http://install.preware.org ? |
| 12:02.47 | freakout | lol |
| 12:03.02 | freakout | I have a draft with both of those included (and the latest WOSQI update) waiting to go |
| 12:03.10 | freakout | just going to test this latest that you've just pushed out |
| 12:03.28 | freakout | and it seems to work quite nicely, by the by |
| 12:04.28 | rwhitby | wosqi update - that's old news. doesn't even patch the pixi ... |
| 12:04.41 | freakout | yeah, but I haven't blogged about WOSQI in awhile |
| 12:04.56 | freakout | It's the price I pay for being the inclusive blogger that I am ;) |
| 12:06.57 | freakout | idle though: I wonder why Jason doesn't hang out here more often |
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| 12:14.24 | grndslm | why isn't this in preware? |
| 12:14.27 | grndslm | http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/bud-buddy |
| 12:14.37 | grndslm | :D |
| 12:14.51 | rwhitby | "Not Available via Repository, available as private beta (see description)" |
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| 12:14.59 | freakout | Distribution: |
| 12:15.00 | freakout | Not Available via Repository, available as private beta (see description) |
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| 12:15.11 | freakout | rwhitby: jinx! |
| 12:15.17 | rwhitby | It seem's the choice of the author that it not be distributed by Preware. |
| 12:15.17 | atlanta | hey guys anyone know how to get the downloadmanager running |
| 12:15.31 | atlanta | my app errors tells me the downloadmanager isnt running |
| 12:15.36 | atlanta | and my app store wont install anything |
| 12:15.48 | grndslm | dur |
| 12:15.54 | rwhitby | atlanta: dunno. |
| 12:15.59 | atlanta | darn |
| 12:16.12 | freakout | grndslm: lol. that app is pretty cool |
| 12:16.17 | atlanta | when i go to donwload something it says download cancelled then catalog goes unavil |
| 12:16.21 | freakout | grndslm: teenage freakout would have loved to have it |
| 12:16.38 | grndslm | yea, somebody on sprintusers.com mentioned it and was wondering why it wasn't in preware |
| 12:16.40 | atlanta | wonder what made it stop running |
| 12:16.42 | rwhitby | but old man freakout wouldn't ? |
| 12:16.50 | grndslm | heh |
| 12:17.03 | freakout | rwhitby: heh. old man freakout is joining the Army, which has rather strict policies about such things |
| 12:17.11 | grndslm | busts u |
| 12:17.20 | grndslm | busts out the "water pipe" |
| 12:18.04 | freakout | lol |
| 12:18.48 | rwhitby | Time to do the "increase /var size only" meta-doctor |
| 12:19.21 | grndslm | as opposed to the... |
| 12:19.33 | grndslm | one that doesn't require palm profile activation? |
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| 12:23.37 | grndslm | rwhitby: what steps did you take with meta-doctor? dev mode on? 2gb /var? no palm profile activation? |
| 12:23.44 | rwhitby | three options: |
| 12:23.45 | rwhitby | bypass activation |
| 12:23.52 | rwhitby | increase var space |
| 12:23.56 | rwhitby | enable developer mode |
| 12:24.01 | rwhitby | choose any of the above |
| 12:24.03 | grndslm | bypass activation which means no profile? |
| 12:24.26 | grndslm | anything else that you could add to that? like removing nascar and such? |
| 12:24.27 | rwhitby | you can run the First Use app to log into your profile |
| 12:25.30 | grndslm | right... i'm just wondering how the profile works |
| 12:25.37 | grndslm | i'm guessing you just have to be with certain carriers |
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| 12:28.00 | freakout | grndslm: the profile seem to works with any carrier |
| 12:28.11 | freakout | I activated on Optus, and they're surely not an official Pre carrier |
| 12:28.31 | grndslm | wow. i didn't know that |
| 12:28.46 | grndslm | i figured the activation was linked to your carrier's subnet or something |
| 12:28.49 | freakout | the sticking point is whether or not the Pre reads your SIM correctly |
| 12:28.50 | Kyusaku | pretty sure Palm Profile is carrier independent |
| 12:28.58 | grndslm | crazy |
| 12:29.12 | freakout | if it can't access your carrier's data connection, you can't activate, 'cause you can't do it over wi-fi |
| 12:29.20 | grndslm | ahh |
| 12:29.29 | grndslm | that sounds much simpler |
| 12:29.30 | grndslm | :P |
| 12:29.40 | freakout | rwhitby: that reminds me. Will the meta-doctor allow you to restore your Palm Profile backup over wifi after Doctoring? |
| 12:30.02 | freakout | rwhitby: I hate to waste my precious 1GB data limit when I don't have to. |
| 12:30.14 | Kyusaku | that would be nice. |
| 12:30.21 | grndslm | i'm about to find out in a bit |
| 12:30.36 | grndslm | i'm gonna add some stuff to my contacts & whatnot... and then sync my profile |
| 12:30.44 | grndslm | or see if it really syncs or throws out the old stuff or what |
| 12:31.10 | atlanta | awww this is driving me crazy |
| 12:31.42 | rwhitby | freakout: once you log into the profile, the backup comes back. |
| 12:32.29 | rwhitby | freakout: how else would I be downloading stuff from the app catalog on a CDMA device in Australia? |
| 12:33.37 | rwhitby | ~emulate rwhitby |
| 12:33.38 | infobot | Another Satisfied Customer! |
| 12:33.45 | freakout | lol |
| 12:33.46 | rwhitby | good night all |
| 12:33.51 | freakout | night rod |
| 12:33.54 | rwhitby | bbt |
| 12:33.59 | rwhitby | ~emulate rwhitby |
| 12:34.00 | infobot | Another Satisfied Customer! |
| 12:34.05 | rwhitby | ~botsmack |
| 12:34.06 | infobot | OWW! |
| 12:34.12 | rwhitby | ~emulate rwhitby |
| 12:34.13 | infobot | Another Satisfied Customer! |
| 12:34.14 | freakout | ~botsnack |
| 12:34.15 | infobot | freakout: aw, gee |
| 12:34.51 | rwhitby | infobot: you're like a broken record tonight |
| 12:35.11 | grndslm | hah... i just noticed you can flip the "post it note" memos up to change the colors |
| 12:35.15 | grndslm | how gay |
| 12:36.12 | grndslm | i think the memo app was palm's biggest software screw up |
| 12:36.13 | atlanta | ~emulate gay |
| 12:36.16 | atlanta | lol |
| 12:36.55 | grndslm | you just can't fix the memo app without throwing it in the trash |
| 12:37.03 | grndslm | everything else can at least be improved upon |
| 12:39.15 | grndslm | too bad chuq wasn't here to hear that |
| 12:40.25 | freakout | grndslm: ping Adora, she can report back to him ;) |
| 12:40.48 | grndslm | i'm sure they know it sucks |
| 12:40.57 | grndslm | i hope they do at least |
| 12:43.19 | grndslm | rwhitby: you had advanced gestures on too, right? |
| 12:43.24 | grndslm | in the meta? |
| 12:48.34 | grndslm | ... and wosqi can't pickup on things that are installed thru preware? that sucks |
| 12:52.03 | freakout | grndslm: it should do |
| 12:52.25 | freakout | grndslm: far as I know, they're both using the same methods to do installations now |
| 12:52.25 | grndslm | it wasn't for me earlier |
| 12:52.28 | freakout | rwhitby: http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9999/homebrew-installers-the-latest-from-preware-wosqi/ |
| 12:52.35 | freakout | and with that, i bid you all a good night |
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| 12:55.06 | nt4cats | yawns |
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| 12:56.25 | quotemstr | An update nuked my user account. |
| 12:56.33 | quotemstr | Is there a way of preventing future updates from erasing my custom users? |
| 12:58.38 | nt4cats | will brb |
| 13:00.50 | grndslm | rwhitby: ssooo.... how do i run the "first run" app?? |
| 13:00.55 | grndslm | i'm not seeing it |
| 13:01.51 | grndslm | i don't think i already ran it.... otherwise i'd see all the stuff in my palm profile, right? |
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| 14:47.14 | frannie | hi I messed up and did not uninstall themes or patches prior to update. Now I can't find emergency patch recovery and preware won't let me uninstall patches. I can't use webos doctor or wuick install right now. What do I do?n |
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| 14:48.08 | en0x | u pray ;D |
| 14:49.23 | zsoc_wirc | frannie: in theory you could use command like to revert .orig files one at a time |
| 14:49.32 | zsoc_wirc | s/like/line/ |
| 14:49.54 | en0x | or use patch -R patch |
| 14:49.57 | zsoc_wirc | its only a theory tho really |
| 14:50.17 | zsoc_wirc | or do whatever that does :p |
| 14:50.28 | frannie | ok I'm a noob though so I don't know how to do all that! |
| 14:50.35 | en0x | zsoc_wirc, it reverses the patch |
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| 14:58.39 | en0x | http://www.hitthebitch.dk lol |
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| 15:03.47 | nt4cats | en0x: ummm I have a wide-ranging and awfully irreverent non-uptight sense of humor ... but I don't find smacking women anything other than disturbing |
| 15:04.18 | en0x | [; |
| 15:04.34 | en0x | its coz u r 100% pussy heheeh |
| 15:04.38 | en0x | j/k |
| 15:05.25 | nt4cats | en0x: I guess when someone you care about has been beaten by her husband, it takes all of the humor out of this sort of thing. Maybe it's just me. |
| 15:06.15 | en0x | maybe because i'm eruopean |
| 15:06.23 | en0x | and americans have different sense of humor |
| 15:06.24 | en0x | :S |
| 15:16.10 | destrudo | if we look at it from a logical perspective, it's not the fact that it's a woman, it's the relationship that makes the partner weak and the abuse follows |
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| 15:16.37 | destrudo | it seems to me rather condescending to say men shouldn't hit women... very, chauvanist. |
| 15:16.57 | destrudo | You're saying that if you hit them, they have no chance |
| 15:17.12 | destrudo | Obviously not true |
| 15:17.27 | mumbles | anyone have the problem of when a call ends your pre freazes ? |
| 15:17.50 | nt4cats | mumbles: I saw you mention that problem yesterday. I have not heard of a similar problem before. |
| 15:18.50 | destrudo | I'm gonna return to idling now. *sips his drink* |
| 15:18.53 | nt4cats | mumbles: If I were you I'd reset my Pre back to factory-only software, try a few calls. If it still freezes bring it back to your phone company. If it doesn't freeze, patch it slowly running tests after small groups of patches to find the offending one (or combination) |
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| 15:20.05 | Rick_work | mumbles -- agreed |
| 15:21.06 | Rick_work | Re european attitudes vs american attitudes. One good place to start is by looking at this: http://goeurope.about.com/od/europeanmaps/l/country-size-comparison-us.swf |
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| 15:52.30 | mumbles | nt4cats: theres a problem with that - the webosdocter uk dosent work |
| 15:54.25 | nt4cats | mumbles: Can you just remove all of your themes, remove your patches via EPR, and then do the "full reset" built into the Pre? I know that is not the same as the doctor, but that should make it so that your carrier can't tell you molested your phone .. |
| 15:54.51 | mumbles | going to try that now |
| 15:55.15 | Rick_work | mumbles, do you know how to get to the full reset? |
| 15:55.21 | mumbles | just looked it up now |
| 15:55.47 | mumbles | just have to wait till my pre reinstalls |
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| 15:58.36 | mumbles | right thats reinstalling now |
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| 16:00.31 | mumbles | forogt that it takes forages though :P |
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| 16:04.50 | AtomicPlayboy | What'd I miss? |
| 16:09.07 | xorg | precentral forums down? |
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| 16:09.55 | en0x | who got european gsm version of pre? |
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| 16:18.05 | oil | http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=Application_talk:Preware&diff=0&oldid=7024 wtf |
| 16:18.50 | Marajin | en0x: me? |
| 16:19.05 | en0x | Marajin, does the gsm pre have navigation?" |
| 16:19.13 | en0x | except google maps |
| 16:19.29 | nt4cats | oil: you better get working on it |
| 16:19.31 | Marajin | en0x: no |
| 16:19.41 | en0x | ok thanks |
| 16:19.43 | Marajin | oil: sons of anarchy theme eh? |
| 16:20.00 | Marajin | en0x: I wish it did :( I'd love to see something like tomtom or similar on the pre |
| 16:20.25 | en0x | the one that sprint uses should be maken by default |
| 16:20.30 | en0x | it uses telenav maps |
| 16:20.36 | en0x | and telenav have maps of europe |
| 16:20.48 | Marajin | en0x: telenav do but sprint obviously don't care about the EU market |
| 16:21.01 | en0x | i wonder if the |
| 16:21.11 | en0x | sprint rom on gsm pre |
| 16:21.16 | en0x | has working sprint nav |
| 16:21.20 | Marajin | en0x: nope |
| 16:21.32 | en0x | thats a bummer |
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| 16:23.27 | mumbles | nope that dident owrk |
| 16:23.50 | nt4cats | mumbles: didn't work == it still locks up? |
| 16:24.23 | Marajin | nt4cats: I'll check |
| 16:24.37 | nt4cats | mumbles: if so, then unless one of the gurus here has a better suggestion, you should shower, dress, and march your phone into the store where you bought it and politely request a replacement |
| 16:25.20 | mumbles | nt4cats: yeh im wonding if i have the time to do so |
| 16:25.25 | mumbles | tonight |
| 16:25.44 | nt4cats | mumbles: getting dressed is not optional, even in most European countries |
| 16:26.04 | mumbles | i hve tomake food and get to my cisco corse |
| 16:26.05 | Marajin | en0x: it's just sat at logging on currently.... for me |
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| 16:26.34 | mumbles | it will take me 20 mins to get into town, probably spend about 3/4 of an hour at 02 shop, then i ahve to find food |
| 16:26.56 | nt4cats | mumbles: you don't need a cisco course .. just remember "ena", "conf t" and know where to find the "?" key on your keyboard |
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| 16:27.26 | mumbles | nt4cats: thats true |
| 16:27.27 | Marajin | mumbles: heh :p I ordered from o2 over the phone so I didn't even get it from a store |
| 16:28.19 | Marajin | en0x: interesting, it loads up but the map is blank currently |
| 16:28.42 | en0x | maybe there is some code inside it to prevent from loading other maps |
| 16:28.52 | en0x | or maybe european map is not made for sprint nav |
| 16:28.58 | en0x | which may be |
| 16:29.00 | mumbles | Marajin: ouch |
| 16:29.11 | Marajin | mumbles: what's ouch about it? |
| 16:29.17 | Marajin | mumbles: you have UK or german o2? |
| 16:29.32 | mumbles | uk |
| 16:29.42 | Marajin | mumbles: their phone service is pretty good |
| 16:30.23 | mumbles | onto customer care now |
| 16:30.23 | Marajin | en0x: interesting, it loads the map at 500 mile scale zoom |
| 16:30.41 | Marajin | en0x: and 200 mile.. |
| 16:30.56 | Marajin | and 100 mile.. |
| 16:30.58 | en0x | o_X |
| 16:31.04 | en0x | take a screenshot |
| 16:31.18 | Marajin | en0x: still loading at 50 mile.. |
| 16:31.45 | Marajin | working at 20 mile now.. seeing the major roads.. |
| 16:32.01 | en0x | nice |
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| 16:32.02 | Marajin | working at 10 now, still only major roads though... |
| 16:32.04 | atlanta | hey all |
| 16:32.18 | en0x | major roads is not enough |
| 16:32.23 | en0x | but better that than nothing |
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| 16:32.47 | Marajin | still got something at 2 mile but blank at 0.5 (possibly no longer in range of "major" roads.. |
| 16:32.55 | en0x | might be |
| 16:33.04 | en0x | take a screen at 10 miles |
| 16:33.04 | atlanta | hey didnt we find it a problem with fully replacing a palmdatabase.db3 to another phone |
| 16:33.14 | en0x | atlanta, yes |
| 16:33.23 | atlanta | ok i thought so |
| 16:33.35 | en0x | and thats what the backup utlity is doing |
| 16:33.40 | en0x | copying palmdatabase.db3 |
| 16:33.42 | atlanta | yea |
| 16:33.42 | atlanta | lol |
| 16:33.46 | atlanta | i just swift through it |
| 16:33.48 | en0x | the one mentioned on precentral |
| 16:33.50 | atlanta | not a good idea |
| 16:33.53 | atlanta | yea |
| 16:33.54 | en0x | not at all |
| 16:33.54 | atlanta | the front page |
| 16:34.15 | Marajin | en0x: bugger, it seems to have jumped to the middle of the ocean, all I get is blue.. |
| 16:34.20 | atlanta | rwhitby: you on |
| 16:34.22 | en0x | it will say that you have to rerun first run app or partially erase |
| 16:34.27 | en0x | Marajin, its a bug in webos |
| 16:34.30 | en0x | afaik |
| 16:34.35 | atlanta | yea and loop |
| 16:34.47 | en0x | and it takes wrong gps coordinates in europe i'm not sure |
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| 16:34.54 | atlanta | we going to have to make a more direct way i posted up the exact sql to retrieve text messages |
| 16:34.58 | en0x | or it was only for australia |
| 16:35.16 | en0x | atlanta, i was working on copying txt messages from palmdatabase db3 too |
| 16:35.21 | en0x | but i gave up |
| 16:35.23 | Marajin | en0x: it's fixed my gps fine it's showing the dot about the right place in england |
| 16:35.28 | atlanta | hold on let me find my post |
| 16:35.37 | en0x | so i wonder why it jumped into ocean |
| 16:35.38 | en0x | hmm |
| 16:35.52 | en0x | atlanta, did you try to reinsert the tables to clean palmdatabase? :> |
| 16:35.56 | Marajin | weird, the roads and water is showing up at 200 ft in areas but there's just random breaks in the road.. |
| 16:35.59 | en0x | i did and it got corrupted |
| 16:36.00 | en0x | ;P |
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| 16:36.10 | Marajin | as if it can't load some data/tiles but it thinks it has |
| 16:36.11 | atlanta | en0x: nope what when you reimported |
| 16:36.13 | atlanta | them |
| 16:36.13 | atlanta | ? |
| 16:36.23 | en0x | Marajin, it may be that the map is not ready for europe |
| 16:36.25 | WillJitsu | does the Pixi have a gpu in it similar to the Pre? I know it isn't being used in the Pre currently, but I'm curious whether the Pixi will receive the speed update that the Pre does whenever the code is written. |
| 16:36.35 | en0x | atlanta, database gets corrupted and you will have to run first use app |
| 16:37.00 | atlanta | i wonder what a import to db would od |
| 16:37.00 | en0x | it will ask you for a reboot because palmdatabase.db3 is corrupted and it will recreate it again after first use app |
| 16:37.01 | atlanta | do |
| 16:37.09 | Marajin | en0x: I get nothing at all at 1000 ft scale even zooming directly over a visible road in 2000 ft |
| 16:37.14 | en0x | atlanta, ^ |
| 16:37.22 | atlanta | oh |
| 16:37.29 | atlanta | you did a full file replace ment |
| 16:37.34 | en0x | nop |
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| 16:37.41 | atlanta | or just a insert sql commands |
| 16:37.45 | atlanta | http://forums.precentral.net/1908509-post22.html |
| 16:37.46 | en0x | atlanta, no, just sql insert |
| 16:37.56 | atlanta | ahhh booo that sucks |
| 16:38.10 | mumbles | Marajin: odd i just had a call and it dident happen |
| 16:38.23 | en0x | Marajin, will have to look more into it |
| 16:38.29 | Marajin | en0x: so yeah, looks like it sorta works but the map data is missing |
| 16:38.29 | en0x | atlanta, yap |
| 16:38.36 | mikewx | so i went to do my morning webos dr check and was surprised to find the wiki updated. What is 1.2.9.1? |
| 16:38.43 | en0x | Marajin, yeah looks like the map is not completed |
| 16:38.44 | atlanta | en0x: maybe we can just export .csv the sql and make a program to read iot |
| 16:38.47 | atlanta | it** |
| 16:39.08 | en0x | atlanta, idk i have got into it anymore after i failed with sql insert |
| 16:39.09 | mikewx | oh that's pixi |
| 16:39.18 | atlanta | oh ok |
| 16:39.22 | mikewx | still an odd version number though |
| 16:39.28 | atlanta | then we'll just have to make restoring not a open |
| 16:39.31 | atlanta | just backup and reading it |
| 16:39.52 | en0x | atlanta, it may work |
| 16:40.05 | en0x | if u kill LunaSysManager |
| 16:40.11 | en0x | and then try to insert tables |
| 16:40.17 | atlanta | ohh yea you have to stop access to the db first |
| 16:40.23 | atlanta | you didnt kill Luna |
| 16:40.23 | atlanta | ? |
| 16:40.27 | en0x | i did |
| 16:40.30 | en0x | and it worked |
| 16:40.37 | atlanta | but |
| 16:40.37 | atlanta | ? |
| 16:40.38 | en0x | i got all my messages back in messaging app |
| 16:40.42 | en0x | BUT |
| 16:41.01 | en0x | when you sent txt to somebody the conversation wasnt updated |
| 16:41.02 | en0x | :P |
| 16:41.03 | mumbles | meh its cold and wet outside ill go oout tommow. |
| 16:41.21 | atlanta | en0x: yea i figured that would be the problem |
| 16:41.21 | en0x | and it looked like the txt wasnt even sent |
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| 16:41.38 | atlanta | i noticed the dbs have issue when you get them out of squential sync |
| 16:41.45 | en0x | right |
| 16:41.55 | atlanta | like i restored some pictures back into my DCIM foldre |
| 16:41.58 | en0x | and i havent found a workaround for it |
| 16:41.59 | mumbles | wow. my screen comes back now after a few seconds |
| 16:42.02 | atlanta | and when i took pictures in the cam it spazed out |
| 16:42.11 | en0x | atlanta, right |
| 16:42.49 | en0x | because it keeps the track of picture names in database |
| 16:43.21 | WillJitsu | hmm.. no one knows about the GPU? |
| 16:43.34 | en0x | atlanta, i may know of a workaround but havent tried that |
| 16:43.50 | en0x | every contact in PalmDatabase.db3 gets assigned its own ID |
| 16:44.04 | en0x | thats how it keeps all the things to one contact like sms/im/etc |
| 16:44.32 | en0x | so probably the contacts id didnt match the ids from previous palmdatabase.db3 texts |
| 16:45.10 | en0x | and then luna got confused |
| 16:45.15 | en0x | and didnt know what to do |
| 16:45.32 | en0x | but it requires more debugging |
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| 16:45.48 | en0x | and i can't afford to lose my txt messages every few hours |
| 16:45.48 | en0x | ;) |
| 16:47.05 | atlanta | lol i feel you on that |
| 16:47.06 | atlanta | lol |
| 16:47.24 | atlanta | like i said im not to worried about a restore long as i have it where i can read those text u know |
| 16:47.35 | en0x | thats a bummer |
| 16:48.07 | en0x | anyway |
| 16:48.17 | en0x | i would prefer it to be in messaging app |
| 16:48.18 | en0x | ;) |
| 16:51.02 | en0x | so what we would have to do |
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| 16:51.24 | en0x | is to take contact id from messages and match them with ids from the current palmdatabase |
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| 16:53.05 | en0x | but like i said |
| 16:53.14 | en0x | it needs more work and more debugging |
| 16:55.03 | cryptk | is there anyone here I can chat with about an idea I have for preware? |
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| 16:55.29 | cryptk | and firstly is there a list somewhere of planned changes for preware so i can make sure my idea isn't already on the list? |
| 16:55.33 | en0x | put it on the wiki on application talk preware |
| 16:55.40 | en0x | easiest thing to do |
| 16:55.41 | en0x | :p |
| 16:55.43 | cryptk | cool |
| 16:55.47 | en0x | if u want u can wait for oil |
| 16:55.50 | en0x | or rwhitby |
| 16:56.00 | atlanta | en0x: ok we'll get to it when we can let me contact this drew guy |
| 16:56.11 | sampson | has anyone noticed a lot of bugs in 1.3.1? |
| 16:56.19 | A2NY | I wish there was a doctor w/o usb :D |
| 16:56.22 | sampson | my data drops almost hourly when i use 1.3.1 and ringtones are fucked |
| 16:56.27 | en0x | atlanta, im just waiting for him to release it |
| 16:56.29 | en0x | ;D |
| 16:56.36 | en0x | and watch all the threads on the forum |
| 16:56.41 | atlanta | lol |
| 16:56.42 | en0x | about corupted database |
| 16:56.43 | en0x | :D |
| 16:56.49 | atlanta | that would be funny |
| 16:57.02 | atlanta | but then you lose more than what it was really worth to back it up |
| 16:57.07 | atlanta | because luna gonna clean the db |
| 16:57.07 | atlanta | lol |
| 16:57.10 | cryptk | enox: were you talking about on the discussion page for preware on the wiki? |
| 16:57.16 | en0x | cryptk, yes |
| 16:57.22 | en0x | atlanta, r0tfl that would be fun |
| 16:57.28 | cryptk | enox, cool, thanks! |
| 16:57.33 | en0x | i noticed that luna only erases PalmDatabase.db3 |
| 16:57.43 | atlanta | yup yup |
| 16:57.52 | en0x | but still |
| 16:57.53 | atlanta | the mojo app is posted the service isnt posted anywhere is it |
| 16:57.54 | atlanta | ? |
| 16:57.56 | en0x | there is a lot of info there |
| 16:57.57 | en0x | :) |
| 16:58.06 | en0x | atlanta, for the backup? |
| 16:58.12 | atlanta | yea |
| 16:58.18 | en0x | it uses bash scripts |
| 16:58.19 | en0x | :p |
| 16:58.29 | atlanta | i dont see them in this ipk |
| 16:58.34 | en0x | o_X |
| 16:58.41 | en0x | hmm |
| 16:59.20 | atlanta | it uses a service he created |
| 16:59.25 | atlanta | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.31 | atlanta | because the mojo app has calls to services |
| 16:59.39 | atlanta | i think rwhitby helped him with it |
| 17:02.23 | en0x | anyway it still sucks |
| 17:02.43 | atlanta | oh man i think those threads are probably gonna come soon |
| 17:02.44 | atlanta | lol |
| 17:03.09 | en0x | just wait |
| 17:03.10 | en0x | ;) |
| 17:03.15 | atlanta | yup yup |
| 17:03.26 | en0x | i cant |
| 17:03.39 | en0x | so probably i will start the first thread without trying the app |
| 17:03.40 | en0x | hahahaha |
| 17:03.41 | atlanta | i just looked through that thread where i posted the sql i extracted and someone had did the full replacement |
| 17:03.43 | atlanta | and it messed up |
| 17:03.50 | atlanta | LMFAOo en0x link me if u do |
| 17:04.03 | en0x | atlanta, u see I told u :) |
| 17:04.06 | atlanta | i warned people in the thread when the initial idea come up aobut replacing it |
| 17:04.17 | en0x | we had few threads |
| 17:04.21 | en0x | when ppl replaced it |
| 17:04.32 | en0x | but u know what is funny? |
| 17:04.39 | en0x | this app can backup but cant restore |
| 17:04.39 | A2NY | webos 1.3.1 doctor out ? |
| 17:04.41 | en0x | hahahaha |
| 17:04.45 | en0x | atlanta, nope |
| 17:04.54 | en0x | A2NY, ^ |
| 17:05.03 | atlanta | en0x: lmfaoo |
| 17:05.07 | atlanta | true everyone is like YAYYYY |
| 17:05.15 | atlanta | but wheres the restore option |
| 17:05.26 | en0x | if u want to restore you have to use terminal or ssh |
| 17:05.27 | en0x | :) |
| 17:05.29 | atlanta | i guess that part is left to the brave individuals who are willing to fuck up there phone |
| 17:05.31 | en0x | good job there! |
| 17:06.00 | en0x | anyway |
| 17:06.07 | en0x | i';m waiting for them to replace the app |
| 17:06.07 | en0x | ;] |
| 17:06.08 | atlanta | so whats new with you |
| 17:06.15 | atlanta | yea they need to take it down |
| 17:06.20 | en0x | s/replace/release |
| 17:06.29 | en0x | nothing new with me man... |
| 17:06.30 | atlanta | gonna cause more problems for the communities than there already is |
| 17:06.34 | en0x | a lot of stress laterly |
| 17:06.37 | en0x | lately |
| 17:06.41 | atlanta | awww that sucks |
| 17:06.45 | atlanta | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.01 | atlanta | i try not to let things get to me |
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| 17:07.59 | en0x | ya i dont care about my job and stuff but then it comes to family i;m boomed and lately i just found out that my sis is anemic... and yesterday i had to spend few ours in emergency room with her |
| 17:08.19 | atlanta | awww man sorry to hear that bro |
| 17:08.23 | en0x | anyway... why the f.. everybody is asking about the gpu support?! it will be there when it will be there |
| 17:08.40 | en0x | if i had @ i would write a trigger |
| 17:08.49 | en0x | if somebody asks about GPU it will kick ban him |
| 17:08.49 | en0x | ;d |
| 17:09.37 | diomark | so, any updates on the GPU support? <DUCK!> |
| 17:09.57 | en0x | if i had @ |
| 17:09.57 | en0x | :) |
| 17:10.01 | en0x | i dont so i cant ban :P |
| 17:10.18 | atlanta | lol |
| 17:13.10 | en0x | anyone tried to replace flash memory on pre? |
| 17:13.21 | en0x | so instead of 8gb we would have 16 or so? |
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| 17:14.15 | atlanta | ahhh that sounds like a nice project |
| 17:14.43 | en0x | yap |
| 17:15.12 | atlanta | isnt there a document on what chip is in ther enow |
| 17:15.23 | en0x | there should be |
| 17:15.24 | atlanta | see if i can find something bigger and identical onlin |
| 17:15.29 | gkatsev | someone get rwhitby a gsm pre so he could use the cdma one to try it |
| 17:15.50 | atlanta | to try what |
| 17:15.50 | atlanta | ? |
| 17:15.52 | en0x | well u can always brick yours |
| 17:16.01 | en0x | and then go to sprint store for replacement |
| 17:16.03 | en0x | :p |
| 17:16.33 | gkatsev | atlanta: try to replace the flash memory |
| 17:16.42 | atlanta | oh gotcha |
| 17:16.55 | atlanta | imma find out the chip model and look into it |
| 17:16.57 | atlanta | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:18.23 | gkatsev | didnt ifixit do a pre teardown? |
| 17:23.15 | en0x | atlanta_lunch, http://s1.guide-images.ifixit.com/igi/JETypgW5syNWtFlg.large |
| 17:23.51 | en0x | samsung kmcmg0000m |
| 17:23.52 | en0x | hmm |
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| 17:26.06 | justaguy_ | argh |
| 17:26.41 | justaguy_ | any ideas why sometimes xp will let you install the novacom driver and other times it says it cant find any info for the device |
| 17:27.46 | en0x | yey ps3 got facebook integration in new software! |
| 17:27.59 | justaguy_ | i love my ps3 |
| 17:28.09 | justaguy_ | but i dont think ill be doing any facebook on it |
| 17:29.13 | justaguy_ | i want to thro this fucking pixi |
| 17:29.19 | A2NY | =\ |
| 17:29.49 | justaguy_ | maybe ill smoke a bowl instead |
| 17:32.15 | en0x | lol |
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| 17:35.10 | Mousey | ugh. whats wrong with my browser? |
| 17:35.21 | Mousey | HAX! |
| 17:37.58 | A2NY | ugh great, just lost all contacts |
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| 17:39.11 | AtomicPlayboy | I need to learn how to write a patch. |
| 17:39.19 | AtomicPlayboy | This has to be fixable somehow. |
| 17:39.28 | A2NY | AtomicPlayboy: what are you looking to do |
| 17:39.52 | AtomicPlayboy | WPA2-PEAP-MSCHAP |
| 17:40.04 | AtomicPlayboy | Wifi won't authenticate with my work network. |
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| 17:42.04 | AtomicPlayboy | There has to be a workaround for it, but I can't find any answers anywhere on the web. |
| 17:42.13 | AtomicPlayboy | so I need to learn how to patch. |
| 17:42.17 | Rick_work | ouch wpa2-pe-mschap is pretty massively lockeddown. |
| 17:42.58 | en0x | go and play with wpa_supplicant on command line |
| 17:43.00 | AtomicPlayboy | Yeah, our network needs some fine-tuning. They've been wanting to upgrade it for months, but it won't be in the budget until January. |
| 17:43.25 | AtomicPlayboy | en0x Is that built-in or do I need to download it? |
| 17:43.38 | en0x | its built-in |
| 17:43.53 | en0x | pre uses it to authenticate to a network |
| 17:44.46 | en0x | AtomicPlayboy, http://wklej.org/id/209422/txt |
| 17:45.21 | en0x | and u may want to be interested in wpa_supplicant.conf man page too |
| 17:45.22 | en0x | ;) |
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| 17:45.27 | en0x | good luck |
| 17:45.38 | AtomicPlayboy | I will do that. |
| 17:45.42 | AtomicPlayboy | And I will need that. |
| 17:46.13 | en0x | AtomicPlayboy, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/wlanconnection-wpa2-eappeapmschapv2-how-to-configure-633456/ |
| 17:46.16 | en0x | here |
| 17:46.35 | en0x | there is a lot of info on the web |
| 17:46.40 | en0x | how to set it up |
| 17:46.41 | en0x | ;) |
| 17:47.35 | AtomicPlayboy | Ah, thanks. |
| 17:48.09 | AtomicPlayboy | You know, I've been looking into Pre-specific info, I neglected to look at LINUX CONFIGURATION info. |
| 17:48.25 | AtomicPlayboy | Duh. |
| 17:48.29 | justaguy_ | debian right? |
| 17:48.30 | AtomicPlayboy | I'll try this after lunch. |
| 17:48.35 | AtomicPlayboy | More or less. |
| 17:48.39 | en0x | justaguy_, debian what? |
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| 17:48.56 | AtomicPlayboy | I don't think NSL is "Debian," but I'm sure most of these configurations will work with any Linux system. |
| 17:48.57 | Decimate | hey guyss. |
| 17:49.06 | en0x | they will |
| 17:49.11 | justaguy_ | isnt that the base of the pre is? |
| 17:49.27 | en0x | its different |
| 17:49.49 | justaguy_ | what would it be closest to? |
| 17:49.55 | AtomicPlayboy | NSL |
| 17:49.58 | en0x | openembedded |
| 17:49.59 | AtomicPlayboy | NSLU2 |
| 17:50.08 | en0x | imho |
| 17:50.16 | natenrb9 | a few questions for the group: 1. where do themes get stored? /var? 2. what is in /var just apps/themes? 3. is it safe to just clear /var out? |
| 17:50.55 | Decimate | do not clear /var |
| 17:51.16 | AtomicPlayboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.19 | Decimate | themes replace images |
| 17:51.29 | Decimate | apps are stored /var/palm/applications...I think |
| 17:51.59 | en0x | Decimate, /var/usr/palm/applications |
| 17:53.16 | Decimate | oh yeah,thanks en0x :) |
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| 17:54.46 | Decimate | the wIRC palm dark theme just doesn't feel right |
| 17:55.11 | en0x | i use the default one |
| 17:55.45 | egaudet_work | natenrb9, no it is not safe to clean /var out |
| 17:55.58 | natenrb9 | so my buddy had the ole "not enough room to install app problem"…even when clearing out all his apps…his /var was reading at 137MB even with all apps (non-default) uninstalled. What fills this up? Are there some apps known to leave a bunch of crap in /var? |
| 17:56.10 | sugardave | email |
| 17:56.31 | sugardave | ? |
| 17:56.33 | natenrb9 | sugardave: was that an answer to me? |
| 17:56.42 | sugardave | a suggestion, yeah |
| 17:56.46 | sugardave | might be email? |
| 17:56.54 | natenrb9 | emails are stored in /var too? |
| 17:57.12 | sugardave | not sure...maybe attachments...have you had him install mvapp? |
| 17:57.20 | natenrb9 | not yet |
| 17:57.29 | sugardave | I'd try that first |
| 17:57.36 | natenrb9 | he isn't super savvy so didn't want to go that route yet... |
| 17:57.41 | Decimate | use that app limit patch... |
| 17:57.55 | Decimate | fair dunkam or something |
| 17:58.03 | natenrb9 | yeah, he tried that |
| 17:58.04 | Decimate | installable by preware |
| 17:58.05 | en0x | newer preware replaces it |
| 17:58.09 | sugardave | Decimate: that's supposed to be built in preware now |
| 17:58.15 | egaudet_work | I'm pretty sure email IS stored in /var |
| 17:58.20 | natenrb9 | and he has the newest preware/package service manager |
| 17:58.32 | natenrb9 | email is in /var huh...interesting |
| 17:59.10 | Decimate | sugardave: hah, I don't come here much for 2 weeks and I miss so much :p |
| 17:59.42 | sugardave | Decimate: I know, I didn't know that either the other day...I skim this channel occasionally |
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| 18:00.42 | Templarian | Rick_work: so what caused your update to boink the game. |
| 18:00.54 | trim-pre | hi guys |
| 18:00.56 | Templarian | (I mean the update) |
| 18:01.12 | trim-pre | just fyi: the overclock scaling patch works great on 1.3.1 |
| 18:01.13 | natenrb9 | so what are the default limit rules on /var and /var/usr/palm/applications? anyone know? |
| 18:01.17 | Decimate | high school and drumline get the best of time nowadays sugardave,oh well |
| 18:01.21 | trim-pre | my pre is fast now |
| 18:01.27 | trim-pre | 600mhz |
| 18:01.35 | natenrb9 | trim-pre: overclock scaling patch? |
| 18:01.48 | trim-pre | yeah |
| 18:01.49 | natenrb9 | trim-pre: is it safe on the processor? |
| 18:01.54 | sugardave | Decimate: ah, marching band....I used to play the sousaphone |
| 18:01.55 | trim-pre | clip-carl's work |
| 18:02.07 | trim-pre | I overclock home pc's all the time |
| 18:02.14 | natenrb9 | trim-pre: is it in preware? |
| 18:02.17 | trim-pre | no |
| 18:02.18 | Templarian | natenrb9: for a short time... although really doubt your phone will be in use for as long as that chip functions. |
| 18:02.28 | trim-pre | look at precentral and then devlopment section |
| 18:02.33 | Decimate | sugardave: I'm the first freshmen at the school to ever make quad drums,so I'm satisfied. |
| 18:02.36 | trim-pre | its off the hook! |
| 18:02.39 | en0x | trim-pre, will see how ur battery gonna be |
| 18:02.44 | trim-pre | noticeably fastee |
| 18:02.55 | trim-pre | well, its a scaling patch |
| 18:02.55 | Rick_work | Templarian I have no idea why the game is boinked |
| 18:02.59 | Rick_work | it works on my phone |
| 18:03.02 | Rick_work | it workson the emulator |
| 18:03.07 | Rick_work | I have no idea at all |
| 18:03.07 | trim-pre | there's 2 patches 1 for cpu scaling, other is overclock |
| 18:03.17 | trim-pre | I have a 2600 battery so I chose overclock |
| 18:03.21 | natenrb9 | trim-pre: in the forum? do you have the link? |
| 18:03.29 | trim-pre | I'm mobile. sorry |
| 18:03.37 | trim-pre | search for 'scaling' |
| 18:03.42 | trim-pre | should pop up |
| 18:04.51 | Templarian | Rick_work: it works for me. |
| 18:05.07 | Templarian | I was just randomly looking at the comments and couldn't figure it out. |
| 18:06.24 | nt4cats|lunch | natenrb9: I'm not endorsing this (never heard of it before 30 seconds ago) -- but this may be the link trim-pre is talking about ... http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/192181-stable-cpu-frequency-scaling-app-here.html |
| 18:06.56 | trim-pre | yup |
| 18:07.24 | trim-pre | its seriosuly faster on my pre |
| 18:07.29 | natenrb9 | nt4cats: you do it to yours? |
| 18:07.33 | nt4cats|lunch | trim-pre: are you trim81 in the forums |
| 18:07.33 | trim-pre | enjoyable |
| 18:07.37 | trim-pre | yes |
| 18:08.18 | nt4cats|lunch | natenrb9: no, I wasn't kidding -- I've never heard of the app before 30 seconds ago. I just saw your chat with trim-pre and searched the forums because he is mobile |
| 18:09.29 | Marajin | heh :) |
| 18:09.33 | Marajin | hmm food time! |
| 18:09.39 | mara-eating | back in a bit |
| 18:09.44 | mara-eating | enjoy your OC'd pre |
| 18:10.23 | natenrb9 | nt4cats: lol, didn't see the 30 sec part in your first message... |
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| 18:11.05 | hmagoo | my replacement will be delivered today. |
| 18:11.34 | hmagoo | had first line of pre from early June... should be better I would hope |
| 18:11.59 | natenrb9 | anyone know about this: so what are the default size limit rules on /var and /var/usr/palm/applications? |
| 18:12.55 | hmagoo | thought it was ~60MB on apps |
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| 18:18.03 | natenrb9 | all interested in over-clocking, boosting cpu performance, and better battery life possibly - found this: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_CPU_Frequency_or_Voltage_Scaling |
| 18:20.04 | natenrb9 | so /var/usr/palm/applications is limited to 64MB by default…? |
| 18:20.33 | trim-pre | good job on mvapp guys, love it |
| 18:22.05 | hmagoo | do we enable linux access by following the wiki steps these days or just install some preware packages? |
| 18:23.21 | natenrb9 | hmagoo: you can install the terminal app and terminal plugin through preware, or you can also get linux access through Quick Install |
| 18:25.31 | hmagoo | natenrb9: I like http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/192181-stable-cpu-frequency-scaling-app-here.html better |
| 18:26.21 | hmagoo | in these iterations of webos I just ended up using 250mhz when the screen is off and 500mhz when its on, a pretty simple scaling, if you want to call it that at all, but little complications and saves battery |
| 18:26.29 | natenrb9 | hmagoo: yeah, that link was given prior to mine, the other one just explains things more |
| 18:26.30 | hmagoo | actually can do 550 when screen is on |
| 18:28.18 | atlanta_lunch | thanks en0x |
| 18:30.30 | atlanta | en0x: you still there |
| 18:30.46 | natenrb9 | templarian: have you done the cpu scaling to your phone? |
| 18:30.56 | natenrb9 | you had made a comment earlier |
| 18:31.02 | en0x | atlanta, yap just came back from lunch |
| 18:31.08 | atlanta | me 2 |
| 18:31.10 | atlanta | had subway |
| 18:31.11 | Templarian | natenrb9: nope, I'm fine declocked. |
| 18:31.22 | atlanta | you know of any semiconductor companies to buy the chip from |
| 18:31.22 | atlanta | ? |
| 18:31.28 | en0x | hehe i had a steak bomb :P |
| 18:31.33 | en0x | atlanta, nope |
| 18:31.58 | atlanta | im really thinking about doing it |
| 18:32.02 | Templarian | atlanta: isn't it in the beagle board? |
| 18:32.09 | atlanta | Templarian: what |
| 18:32.09 | atlanta | ? |
| 18:32.23 | Templarian | oh nvm didn't see what you were talking about. |
| 18:32.48 | atlanta | lol |
| 18:33.09 | atlanta | Templarian: thinking about swapping out the 8gb nand chip in the phone |
| 18:33.13 | atlanta | bumping it to 16gb |
| 18:33.34 | Templarian | i heard it's possible, wasn't there a thread about it on the forums. |
| 18:33.45 | atlanta | not sure |
| 18:33.48 | atlanta | time to look |
| 18:36.04 | hmagoo | was some people that do it on another platform IIRC |
| 18:36.09 | AtomicPlayboy | What wifi driver does the Pre use? |
| 18:36.11 | mara-eating | returns |
| 18:36.12 | AtomicPlayboy | Anybody know? |
| 18:37.38 | AtomicPlayboy | be's Arby's. |
| 18:38.13 | atlanta | can't find a semiconductor company with more than 8gb |
| 18:39.15 | egaudet_work | http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/208950-replacing-8gb-samsung-nand-16gb-nand.html |
| 18:40.19 | atlanta | thank egaudet_work egaudet_work |
| 18:42.55 | Marajin | heh |
| 18:43.03 | Marajin | upgrading the pre with manually soldering a new chip on? |
| 18:43.05 | Marajin | mmm, no ;) |
| 18:43.13 | Marajin | only if you're a) an expert and b) have fancy gear |
| 18:43.33 | Marajin | or c) so rich you don't care how many replacement pres you need to buy |
| 18:43.47 | atlanta | seeing that i can fulfill a and b lets see how it goes |
| 18:44.22 | Marajin | well if you have the kit and skill, by all means |
| 18:44.34 | Marajin | I'd just never recommend it even get considered by anyone else then |
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| 18:51.09 | atlanta | couldnt be that hard |
| 18:51.09 | atlanta | lol |
| 18:51.56 | Marajin | Iunno, lot of tiny solder points to do manually |
| 18:52.16 | synackfin1 | my phone ran out of batteries and shut itself off during the night -- I plugged it in this morning and it gave me a giant battery-charging picture, but I don't seem to be able to turn it on while it's in that made... anyone know how to turn it on now? (I just held the power button down.. no cigar) |
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| 18:52.30 | AtomicPlayboy | be's back. |
| 18:52.42 | Marajin | synackfin1: how long has it been charging? it should reach bootable level after a few minutes |
| 18:52.58 | Marajin | I've run it down to that level myself before and it came to life on its own after a few minutes from memory |
| 18:53.13 | synackfin1 | Marajin: I don't understand why it doesn't boot right away since it's plugged into the wall |
| 18:53.44 | atlanta | synackfin1: its not going to |
| 18:53.44 | Marajin | synackfin1: well nor will many phones because the drain may exceed USB's output |
| 18:53.48 | atlanta | its juicing up |
| 18:53.48 | atlanta | lol |
| 18:54.00 | atlanta | and a few minutes some times is 10 mins |
| 18:54.01 | natenrb9 | synackfin1: takes a bit for the battery to get back to bootable level |
| 18:54.02 | Marajin | iphones/ipod touches won't boot in those circumstances either |
| 18:54.05 | Manifest | Anyone know if there's a free tethering app available? Or coming available soon? Running 1.3.1 and MyTether doesn't work on it. |
| 18:55.18 | synackfin1 | Marajin: hmm, I see. But the wall socket should supply enough power to both charge and boot up |
| 18:56.14 | synackfin1 | natenrb9: it's just odd that it's not like a laptop that once "plugged in" it doesn't complain about battery issues |
| 18:56.27 | Marajin | synackfin1: yeah it'll give a full amp, nearly double a USB socket but the pre can't be sure |
| 18:56.52 | Marajin | I've tried it on my old WM phones before ya see |
| 18:57.15 | Marajin | they'll boot running entirely on USB power but boot + charge cycle = too much and they'll generally shutdown part way through bootup even on a wall socket charger |
| 18:58.10 | natenrb9 | synackfin1: yeah, that's how most phones are, won't boot up unitl the juice is to a sustainable level |
| 18:59.06 | AtomicPlayboy | http://webos.pastebin.com/d2e3d509a - wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 18:59.06 | AtomicPlayboy | http://webos.pastebin.com/d78dd25d5 - wpa_supplicant.log |
| 18:59.52 | Marajin | so yeah, give your pre a few minutes more and it should boot |
| 19:00.31 | zsoc_wirc | synackfin1: the problem is, if you plug it in, battery completely dead, boot it, and then unplug it, you could corrupt files. |
| 19:00.50 | zsoc_wirc | so it makes sure the battery is charged enough to complete the boot process |
| 19:04.49 | Marajin | zsoc_wirc: and it's got an instrinsically higher power demand because it has to charge the dead battery at max flow AND power the system... yes |
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| 19:07.55 | zsoc_wirc | that's probably true. I can't claim to know how the power circuitry handles demands :) at that point it might be using the battery as a glorified capacitor, lol |
| 19:08.40 | atlanta | lol |
| 19:09.34 | en0x | AtomicPlayboy, so its not connecting? |
| 19:10.11 | AtomicPlayboy | Not yet. |
| 19:10.13 | AtomicPlayboy | Still fiddling with it. |
| 19:10.19 | en0x | wtf |
| 19:10.29 | en0x | i reinstalled preware yesterday because of corrupted cookie |
| 19:10.34 | en0x | and today i have corrupted cookie too |
| 19:11.20 | atlanta | i would corrupt your cookie 2 |
| 19:11.53 | en0x | this sounded bad |
| 19:13.07 | zsoc_wirc | I wish I wasn't an idiot and could write some mojo magic that actually handles service requests properly |
| 19:13.24 | atlanta | zsoc_wirc: what u mean |
| 19:13.24 | atlanta | ? |
| 19:14.00 | en0x | he means that he don';t want to be an idiot anymore |
| 19:14.00 | en0x | ;) |
| 19:14.15 | zsoc_wirc | right |
| 19:14.30 | en0x | whats ur IQ score? |
| 19:14.30 | en0x | :P |
| 19:14.39 | en0x | 70? |
| 19:14.54 | zsoc_wirc | I'm having issues with a service request. the request is working according to dbus but I'm not getting the desired results |
| 19:14.54 | en0x | if its below 60 then it's bad |
| 19:15.06 | Rick_work | which service zsoc_wirc |
| 19:15.32 | AtomicPlayboy | Sorry, back. |
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| 19:22.30 | Manifest | Does anyone know if the iPhone user agent spoof works on 1.3.1? |
| 19:23.08 | zsoc_wirc | rick_home: gstservice |
| 19:25.23 | Rick_work | ?????? gst service???? |
| 19:25.35 | Rick_work | zsoc_wirc |
| 19:25.37 | Rick_work | ??? |
| 19:25.53 | en0x | woot woot |
| 19:26.29 | zsoc_wirc | services/gstservice.git, its on the webos internsls git, for the video / audio recorder |
| 19:27.25 | Rick_work | AHHHH --- your service. |
| 19:27.26 | Rick_work | sorry. |
| 19:27.57 | en0x | yey! |
| 19:27.57 | en0x | :P |
| 19:31.13 | AtomicPlayboy | Okay...think I get it now. |
| 19:31.15 | AtomicPlayboy | CTRL-EVENT-EAP-METHOD EAP vendor 0 method 21 (TTLS) selected |
| 19:31.29 | AtomicPlayboy | It's forcing Wifi to use TTLS, even though we use PEAP and NOT TTLS. |
| 19:31.41 | AtomicPlayboy | So, where do I find the config files for the native Wifi client so I can change that? |
| 19:31.52 | AtomicPlayboy | The GUI wifi client that is |
| 19:33.25 | atlanta | pmsomethingmanager |
| 19:33.33 | atlanta | you have to stop it |
| 19:34.30 | en0x | yey |
| 19:34.33 | en0x | new apps in catalog |
| 19:41.24 | *** join/#webos-internals navinag (i=c0373625@gateway/web/freenode/x-gqoitwhzhohkqyxe) |
| 19:41.48 | navinag | does anyone know where the pngs live for contacts? |
| 19:42.55 | navinag | more specifically the thumbnail versions that we see in the contacts app |
| 19:45.46 | chrisa | Hurray for someone doing a backup app for messages |
| 19:45.57 | chrisa | I reflash my device constantly and always lose sms/aim/etc logs |
| 19:46.21 | en0x | good look with restoring the backup |
| 19:46.22 | en0x | ;] |
| 19:46.27 | atlanta | en0x: grrrr my app store not wokring |
| 19:46.34 | en0x | chrisa, be the first one who will play with the backup app! |
| 19:46.49 | atlanta | LMFAOo |
| 19:46.54 | atlanta | go for it chrisa |
| 19:46.56 | chrisa | Ah, hmm. No import? |
| 19:47.00 | atlanta | LMFAO |
| 19:47.06 | atlanta | en0x: point proven |
| 19:47.08 | atlanta | lol |
| 19:47.10 | en0x | right |
| 19:47.11 | en0x | :0 |
| 19:47.12 | chrisa | I flew too close to the sun |
| 19:47.32 | en0x | was it released yet? |
| 19:47.55 | zsoc_wirc | chrisa: texts are all in 1 database... you can just copy it over |
| 19:48.09 | en0x | yes |
| 19:48.12 | en0x | in PalmDatabase.db3 |
| 19:48.13 | en0x | ;) |
| 19:48.16 | chrisa | Yes, sort of |
| 19:48.21 | chrisa | That db can change often |
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| 19:48.23 | chrisa | (internally) |
| 19:48.34 | chrisa | So I don't trust just copying and restoring it |
| 19:48.56 | en0x | atlanta, http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/212309-running-bash-sh-scripts-webos-app.html told ya its a script |
| 19:49.20 | atlanta | did you read through the thread |
| 19:49.20 | atlanta | ? |
| 19:49.21 | atlanta | lol |
| 19:49.37 | chrisa | oh, I thought he was actually going through the tables and exporting or something |
| 19:49.40 | chrisa | I am less jazzed now |
| 19:49.58 | en0x | atlanta, no:P |
| 19:50.12 | zsoc_wirc | that's not a bad idea tho |
| 19:50.55 | en0x | anyway good luck in backing up text messages and importing them |
| 19:50.55 | en0x | ;) |
| 19:51.20 | chrisa | cries |
| 19:52.10 | atlanta | zsoc_wirc: what isnt |
| 19:52.11 | atlanta | ? |
| 19:52.11 | en0x | atlanta, http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/212309-running-bash-sh-scripts-webos-app-4.html#post2046350 interesting |
| 19:53.06 | atlanta | en0x: wow this guy |
| 19:53.10 | en0x | Yes, I am tarballing the databases. I may do table extraction at a later time...namely for contact migration to Gmail, but for right now that is the avenue I am taking for backups. |
| 19:53.19 | en0x | ;] |
| 19:54.54 | atlanta | lol |
| 19:54.58 | atlanta | interesting |
| 19:55.07 | atlanta | yea it poses a issue point blank |
| 19:56.11 | Mousey | where is the browser configuration stored? |
| 19:56.26 | zsoc_wirc | atlanta: exporting tables |
| 19:56.48 | en0x | zsoc_wirc, exporting is easy |
| 19:56.49 | en0x | :) |
| 19:57.02 | atlanta | zsoc_wirc: yea it isnt i created the queries to export text messages |
| 19:57.04 | en0x | things get fuzzy when u try to import them :) |
| 19:57.26 | en0x | anyway i'm not gonna repeat myself about this issue |
| 19:57.36 | en0x | if u want to read what i said read the logs from toay |
| 19:57.36 | atlanta | lol |
| 19:57.38 | en0x | today |
| 19:57.38 | en0x | :p |
| 19:57.41 | atlanta | :-) |
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| 19:58.57 | en0x | echo ".mode insert" > cookies; sqlite3 -init cookies /var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabase.db3 'select * from com_palm_pim_Message' >/tmp/messages.sql;rm cookie |
| 19:59.00 | en0x | :) |
| 19:59.06 | AtomicPlayboy | pmnetconfigmanager |
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| 20:00.08 | AtomicPlayboy | /etc/event.d/PmNetConfigManager |
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| 20:00.16 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v oil_pre] by ChanServ |
| 20:00.20 | AtomicPlayboy | Found it, thank you atlanta. |
| 20:00.34 | atlanta | no problem |
| 20:00.53 | en0x | hmm |
| 20:00.57 | atlanta | en0x: what is that for |
| 20:00.58 | atlanta | >/? |
| 20:01.55 | en0x | just testing my dump mode from bash |
| 20:02.16 | grndslm | just testing it in irc? |
| 20:02.31 | en0x | so you can just run a script ot dump tables instead of doing sqlite palmdatabase.db3 and then giving commands |
| 20:03.14 | grndslm | if you say so |
| 20:03.24 | grndslm | how do i start programming on webOS? |
| 20:03.27 | grndslm | i've already got the sdk |
| 20:03.36 | grndslm | where's the rest? |
| 20:03.39 | en0x | if u dont know how to start |
| 20:03.41 | grndslm | besides the emulator |
| 20:03.48 | en0x | then u should probably not be doing it |
| 20:03.49 | en0x | :D |
| 20:03.52 | en0x | hides |
| 20:04.08 | atlanta | LMFAOO |
| 20:04.12 | atlanta | what a dick wad |
| 20:04.14 | atlanta | lol |
| 20:04.22 | grndslm | i know to look at palm.com somewhere, but i want the dummy version |
| 20:04.34 | grndslm | i'm super-dumb |
| 20:04.38 | en0x | i c |
| 20:04.38 | atlanta | lmfao |
| 20:04.45 | atlanta | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.57 | atlanta | http://webos.templarian.com/ |
| 20:05.09 | atlanta | you atleast have to have confidence guy |
| 20:05.22 | en0x | well |
| 20:05.24 | grndslm | yea, i'm just playin'... i just like my instructions straight to the point |
| 20:05.28 | en0x | create a webpage in dreamwear |
| 20:05.35 | en0x | and upload it to emulator and run it |
| 20:05.36 | en0x | ;d |
| 20:05.36 | grndslm | plus i've never really done anything more than c & c++ |
| 20:05.36 | atlanta | komodo plus templerian plugin is the BOMB! |
| 20:05.38 | en0x | same thing |
| 20:06.08 | en0x | do a "my homepage" app |
| 20:06.11 | en0x | :D |
| 20:06.15 | en0x | lol i better go |
| 20:06.35 | grndslm | so, you just type in text files... with some images... and package it up somehow? |
| 20:06.39 | grndslm | then toss it on the emulator? |
| 20:06.44 | atlanta | lmfaoo |
| 20:06.47 | atlanta | yup drag and drop |
| 20:06.50 | atlanta | no lol |
| 20:06.58 | atlanta | developer.palm.com |
| 20:07.04 | grndslm | no |
| 20:07.05 | atlanta | learn the structure and how apps work first |
| 20:07.13 | grndslm | :( |
| 20:07.19 | en0x | he wanted a dummy app |
| 20:07.24 | grndslm | heh |
| 20:07.25 | en0x | so i said to create a homepage |
| 20:07.28 | en0x | :) |
| 20:07.31 | grndslm | yea |
| 20:07.34 | grndslm | that is a good start |
| 20:07.45 | en0x | *g* |
| 20:08.02 | grndslm | gangsta |
| 20:11.40 | en0x | can't stop laughing |
| 20:13.19 | AtomicPlayboy | Okay, so now I need to figure out what uses pmnetconfig |
| 20:13.38 | grndslm | heh... i love this: |
| 20:13.40 | grndslm | * chuqui has quit (Success) |
| 20:13.46 | grndslm | Success! |
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| 20:14.17 | AtomicPlayboy | Why were we trying to kick chuq out? |
| 20:14.23 | zsoc_wirc | kesne-school: they will take your phone away. better hide it |
| 20:15.00 | kesne-school | not phone |
| 20:15.02 | kesne-school | laptop |
| 20:15.11 | kesne-school | AND: I have two phones anyway |
| 20:15.14 | kesne-school | Pre and Pixi |
| 20:15.20 | kesne-school | two chances, y'see? |
| 20:17.00 | en0x | atlanta, is the backup app out yet? :P |
| 20:17.10 | atlanta | not yet |
| 20:17.14 | en0x | :( |
| 20:17.59 | atlanta | the mojo is |
| 20:18.03 | atlanta | i cant find the services |
| 20:18.21 | en0x | i think that its not written yet |
| 20:19.05 | AtomicPlayboy | AHA |
| 20:19.32 | AtomicPlayboy | You reek ah! |
| 20:20.17 | en0x | :} |
| 20:20.25 | en0x | kesne-school, and hows the pixi? |
| 20:20.26 | en0x | :> |
| 20:20.59 | kesne-school | I love ny pixi |
| 20:21.12 | en0x | mhm |
| 20:21.21 | gkatsev | kesne-school: so, both pixi and pre now? |
| 20:21.32 | kesne-school | And a hero |
| 20:21.42 | gkatsev | so many phones... |
| 20:21.47 | en0x | so with which one u f.. more now? |
| 20:22.27 | kesne-school | hah |
| 20:22.33 | kesne-school | I like the pre |
| 20:22.37 | kesne-school | It's my main phone |
| 20:22.42 | kesne-school | hero == buisness |
| 20:22.54 | mumbles | my pre works now |
| 20:23.19 | kesne-school | ~smack mumbles |
| 20:23.20 | infobot | ACTION smacks mumbles upside the head. |
| 20:23.29 | kesne-school | ~botsnack |
| 20:23.29 | infobot | kesne-school: thanks |
| 20:26.07 | kesne-school | infobot: damn straight |
| 20:26.08 | infobot | ACTION damns straight to the bowels of bloody hell forever. |
| 20:26.28 | kesne-school | whoah |
| 20:26.28 | kesne-school | thats a command? |
| 20:26.34 | kesne-school | infobot: damn oil |
| 20:26.34 | infobot | ACTION damns oil to the bowels of bloody hell forever. |
| 20:26.39 | kesne-school | YES! |
| 20:27.00 | gkatsev | lol |
| 20:27.04 | gkatsev | infobot: damn kesne-school |
| 20:27.05 | infobot | ACTION damns kesne-school to the bowels of bloody hell forever. |
| 20:27.15 | kesne-school | ~smack infobot |
| 20:27.16 | infobot | ACTION smacks infobot upside the head. |
| 20:27.21 | kesne-school | hah! |
| 20:27.33 | gkatsev | lol |
| 20:27.40 | gkatsev | ~whip kesne-school |
| 20:27.41 | infobot | ACTION takes kesne-school outside to be thoroughly whipped by gkatsev |
| 20:27.45 | en0x | ~stab kesne-school |
| 20:27.46 | infobot | ACTION runs at kesne-school with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 20:27.52 | en0x | ;] |
| 20:27.54 | gkatsev | haha |
| 20:27.59 | gkatsev | !botsnack |
| 20:28.02 | gkatsev | ~botsnack |
| 20:28.02 | infobot | gkatsev: :) |
| 20:28.04 | kesne-school | ~kick en0x |
| 20:28.04 | infobot | ACTION kicks en0x |
| 20:28.07 | gkatsev | infobot++ |
| 20:28.26 | kesne-school | fail? |
| 20:28.33 | en0x | ~slap kesne-school |
| 20:28.34 | infobot | ACTION slaps kesne-school, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 20:28.43 | gkatsev | ~about |
| 20:28.43 | infobot | http://www.infobot.org/ - /msg infobot help for a list of commands - http://www.infobot.org/guide-0.43.x.html for a guide |
| 20:29.00 | kesne-school | infobot: damn en0x |
| 20:29.00 | infobot | ACTION damns en0x to the bowels of bloody hell forever. |
| 20:29.05 | kesne-school | ~botsnack |
| 20:29.05 | infobot | :), kesne-school |
| 20:29.19 | gkatsev | i guess karma was disabled |
| 20:29.31 | kesne-school | Yeah it was |
| 20:29.33 | kesne-school | unfortunetly |
| 20:29.51 | gkatsev | infobot: join #webos-watercooler |
| 20:29.57 | gkatsev | aww |
| 20:30.01 | gkatsev | he's not allowed there |
| 20:30.08 | AtomicPlayboy | Okay that failed. |
| 20:30.08 | gkatsev | s/he/she/ |
| 20:30.22 | kesne-school | infobot: join #webos |
| 20:30.38 | kesne-school | Not allowed in webos either? |
| 20:30.41 | kesne-school | Why not! :O |
| 20:30.48 | gkatsev | perhaps you have to be the owner of the bot |
| 20:30.55 | kesne-school | hmm |
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| 20:33.00 | gkatsev | ~beeper |
| 20:33.01 | infobot | Play simple music on your PC's built-in speaker.. URL: http://www.infa.abo.fi/~raine/pub/software/beeper/ |
| 20:33.09 | gkatsev | ~Big Ben |
| 20:33.10 | infobot | Spiffy themed clock. URL: http://ethereal.net/~wampa/ |
| 20:33.41 | gkatsev | infobot: tell kesne-school Blackbox |
| 20:33.51 | gkatsev | infobot: kesne-school Blackbox |
| 20:34.22 | gkatsev | infobot: reply kesne-school Blackbox |
| 20:34.22 | infobot | kesne-school Blackbox |
| 20:34.31 | gkatsev | lol |
| 20:35.14 | mumbles | kesne-school: ouch |
| 20:36.17 | gkatsev | infobot: Blackbox |
| 20:36.17 | infobot | i heard blackbox is a very simple and light window manager: http://blackbox.alug.org |
| 20:36.27 | gkatsev | infobot: ACUA |
| 20:36.27 | infobot | . URL: http://acua.ebbs.com.au/ |
| 20:36.28 | Marajin | heh |
| 20:37.11 | gkatsev | ~Boston |
| 20:37.11 | infobot | More than a feeeeeeeeeeeeelinnnggggg |
| 20:37.36 | grndslm | infobot: Boston |
| 20:37.37 | infobot | More than a feeeeeeeeeeeeelinnnggggg |
| 20:37.37 | gkatsev | infobot: weather boston |
| 20:37.54 | gkatsev | http://www.infobot.org/factpacks/ |
| 20:38.36 | gkatsev | ~buad |
| 20:38.45 | gkatsev | ~baud |
| 20:38.46 | infobot | baud is probably The measure of how frequently sound changes on a phone line. Thisused to be the measure of speed of modems because they worked by bruteforce and actually made a sound for each bit of information. Now, modemswork on a more sophisticated level. A 14.4 Kbps modem actually uses 2400baud, but can transmit 14.4 Kbps. |
| 20:39.15 | kesne-school | Tim is a source on the webos wikipedia! |
| 20:39.23 | kesne-school | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebOS |
| 20:44.36 | AtomicPlayboy | Okay, somehow I need to figure out how to make PmWiFiService or PmWiFiDriver to default to MSCHAP instead of TTLS |
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| 20:45.59 | evictme | jdjdj |
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| 20:48.23 | whoDat_ | is mytether working on 1.3.1? |
| 20:48.38 | gkatsev | i heard its not. |
| 20:48.49 | gkatsev | also, PuffTheMagic is working on freeTether |
| 20:48.54 | PreGame_Pre | I'm having issue with webos stopping functions that are taking longer than 10 seconds to parse data. |
| 20:49.08 | WillJitsu | I was using bluetooth tethering last night. I don't believe wifi is working yet though. |
| 20:49.39 | PreGame_Pre | anyone else noticing this? |
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| 20:50.34 | rwhitby | morning |
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| 20:51.43 | rwhitby | PreGame_Pre: that's probably why themes were hanging in Preware before oil revamped the list processing to make it an order of magnitude faster. |
| 20:51.50 | cashen | top of the mornin' |
| 20:52.10 | AnOutsider | afternoon |
| 20:52.41 | AnOutsider | rwhitby: gotta set up the test feed in preware so I can test categories. Lost it after the old pre died |
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| 20:58.22 | kesne-school | i do meth |
| 20:58.29 | kesne-school | ugh |
| 20:58.38 | kesne-school | wrong channel (grins) |
| 20:59.44 | PreGame_Pre | thanks rod. any ideas how he accomplished this? |
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| 21:02.48 | gkatsev | ~smack kesne-school |
| 21:02.48 | infobot | ACTION smacks kesne-school upside the head. |
| 21:02.55 | gkatsev | ~botsnack |
| 21:02.55 | infobot | gkatsev: aw, gee |
| 21:03.15 | Rick_work | Guys, can we play when there aren't real questions on the floor? |
| 21:03.52 | Rick_work | PreGame_Pre not sure, we can ask him later or look at the preware code |
| 21:04.54 | PreGame_Pre | k. I am really curious as it seems this 10 second time out issue is what is causing filecoaster to have issues. |
| 21:10.06 | oil | preware was just doing a lot of unnecessary looping through the entire package list |
| 21:10.40 | oil | i used a prototype hash to create an associative array for reverse-lookups |
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| 21:13.23 | oil | that and changed the code that builds the grouping lists |
| 21:13.38 | PreGame_Pre | english please? I have a data parsing function then a function to add it to a list but its stopping half way throug the list because it reaches 10 from when the initial function was called |
| 21:13.59 | oil | idk if filecoaster has the problem |
| 21:14.15 | oil | but preware uses the package's reverse-dns as the unique value |
| 21:14.21 | PreGame_Pre | it does. the issue is the 10 timeout |
| 21:14.37 | oil | but its stored in the packages array as 0->package 1->package |
| 21:14.48 | oil | i was looping the array looking for a package withthe same id |
| 21:14.51 | oil | on each package load |
| 21:15.07 | oil | i created an associative array of package ids to tell me quickly if the package was already loaded |
| 21:15.42 | oil | instead of looping through the array looking for it |
| 21:15.48 | PreGame_Pre | so you have caching? |
| 21:15.53 | oil | not really |
| 21:16.15 | oil | and, i've got to get back to work, lunch is over |
| 21:16.21 | oil | ill be back in like 4 hours or so |
| 21:16.22 | whoDat_ | fyi preware does not link the filemgr service to the internalz install |
| 21:16.43 | oil | whoDat_: probably a feed problem |
| 21:16.48 | rwhitby | whoDat_: yes, you need to get Jason to add the Depends: line to the Internals meta-data. |
| 21:16.54 | oil | if internalz doesn't list hte filemgr service as a dependency |
| 21:17.07 | oil | will bbl |
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| 21:23.12 | epyon | for some reason mvapp wont move any of my apps due to an attribute setting |
| 21:23.34 | epyon | what attribute should i be specifically looking for that shouldnt be there? |
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| 21:31.09 | nuglas | hihi |
| 21:33.49 | xorg | epyon: does the mvapp doctor command say you have 'var used' below 100MB, if so you don't need to move more. |
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| 21:34.06 | epyon | it does and i havent been able to move any thing |
| 21:34.12 | xorg | some apps are not able to move, mvapp properly deals with it |
| 21:34.13 | epyon | every thing gives the attribute |
| 21:34.17 | epyon | problem |
| 21:35.08 | epyon | xorg: i ran through the whole thing and no app was able to move |
| 21:35.09 | xorg | paste the mvapp doctor report here (or on the thread)... |
| 21:35.10 | xorg | http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/212349-solution-app-catalog-limit-symbolic-link-method-7.html |
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| 21:36.39 | rwhitby | xorg: I wonder if mvapp 'doctor' should be renamed mvapp 'wizard' so that people don't get scared thinking that it might run the webOS doctor or something like that ... |
| 21:37.14 | epyon | xorg: pm'ed you didnt want to spam the channel |
| 21:40.24 | epyon | xorg: ? |
| 21:41.15 | rwhitby | http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/new-in-labs-green-robot-icon.html <- we need to work out how to get a green Tux in there ... |
| 21:41.21 | xorg | rod, i have renamed it to 'diag', which will be in the next version |
| 21:42.03 | epyon | rwhitby: awesome lol |
| 21:42.36 | xorg | epyon: I don't see the PM yet |
| 21:43.28 | xorg | oh.. got it |
| 21:43.35 | freakout | Morning. |
| 21:43.42 | epyon | maybe it wont go through cause its too many lines |
| 21:43.50 | freakout | rwhitby: Is that backup app that PC posted about in Preware? |
| 21:50.36 | AtomicPlayboy | rwhitby: How much you know about hacking PmWiFiService? |
| 21:50.41 | AtomicPlayboy | or PmWiFiDriver? |
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| 21:54.46 | Decimation | hey guys, was wondering if you could help me with an SDK problem? |
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| 21:55.21 | cashen | rwhitbey: +1 for the green tux! |
| 21:55.57 | Decimation | everytime try to use any palm-... command, i get this |
| 21:55.57 | Decimation | http://screensnapr.com/u/evo6gb.png |
| 21:58.23 | gkatsev | Decimation: java is not in your PATH. |
| 21:59.36 | rwhitby | freakout: we're packaging it and doing final security reviews. it's in the git repos. |
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| 21:59.52 | rwhitby | AtomicPlayboy: nothing much |
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| 22:00.34 | hmagoo | epyon, is media/internal owned by root or did you change it? |
| 22:02.31 | epyon | hmagoo how can i tell? |
| 22:02.39 | cashen | why cant i add a feed in PW? |
| 22:03.04 | gkatsev | cat /etc/fstab |
| 22:04.17 | epyon | whats root 1000? |
| 22:05.50 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 22:05.51 | epyon | its owned by uid 1001 |
| 22:06.46 | xorg | yup, that probably the issue.. root id should be 0 |
| 22:07.02 | epyon | how do i change that |
| 22:07.43 | xorg | grep root /etc/passwd |
| 22:07.50 | xorg | does it show 0:0 |
| 22:07.50 | xorg | ? |
| 22:08.27 | epyon | yah its in the middle there |
| 22:08.34 | xorg | cd /media |
| 22:08.42 | xorg | ls -ld /media/internal |
| 22:08.48 | xorg | if not root |
| 22:08.56 | epyon | yeah not root |
| 22:09.06 | xorg | chown root /media/internal |
| 22:09.22 | hmagoo | you probably did this, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Make_USB_Partition_Writable_via_SFTP so undo it. ;) |
| 22:09.35 | epyon | yeah |
| 22:09.38 | epyon | that makes sense |
| 22:10.09 | epyon | not permitted? as root? |
| 22:11.06 | epyon | whats a normal fstab look like |
| 22:11.11 | epyon | i need to edit that back |
| 22:11.29 | hmagoo | I think I just made it look like the other entries |
| 22:11.53 | xorg | epyon: /dev/mapper/store-media /media/internal vfat utf8,shortname=mixed 0 0 |
| 22:12.13 | hmagoo | is there a website somewhere to lookup MEID numbers? |
| 22:12.14 | epyon | ok so just remove uid and gid things |
| 22:13.09 | epyon | dang its in r not rw |
| 22:13.10 | epyon | lol |
| 22:13.48 | hmagoo | no pouch with the replacement pre, so I had to insure that too? |
| 22:15.14 | AtomicPlayboy | I love rebooting my Pre via SSH. I don't know why. |
| 22:15.37 | epyon | sweet worked |
| 22:15.39 | epyon | thx alot guys |
| 22:15.51 | xorg | cool |
| 22:16.05 | epyon | yeah so if somoen else has that happen |
| 22:16.18 | hmagoo | xorg, thought you said you were going to note that problem somewhere... |
| 22:16.27 | gkatsev | AtomicPlayboy: hehe, yeah |
| 22:16.48 | xorg | hmagoo: the root ownership issue? |
| 22:16.52 | hmagoo | yeah |
| 22:17.08 | xorg | hmagoo: i'll be checking for it now, in next version |
| 22:17.18 | hmagoo | awesome thanks |
| 22:20.33 | epyon | hmm ipkg uses var too? |
| 22:21.49 | Decimation | gkatsev: just got back, what do you mean its not in my path? |
| 22:23.11 | gkatsev | Decimation: java isnt in the system path. so, palm-install or w/e cant run its stuff |
| 22:24.17 | gkatsev | Decimation: "echo %PATH%" |
| 22:27.27 | xorg | hmagoo: i've added a check for root ownership on /media/internal in the diagnostics check |
| 22:27.35 | xorg | will be posted in next version |
| 22:28.19 | xorg | there is a new app limit issue though... |
| 22:28.40 | xorg | some can't install apps even though 'var used' is below 100mb and fair dinkum is installed |
| 22:28.42 | xorg | i'm not able to duplicate the issue |
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| 22:32.39 | epyon | do i need pearl5 for any thing? |
| 22:34.02 | gkatsev | irssi? |
| 22:34.18 | epyon | dont have that installed any more |
| 22:36.38 | epyon | git need? |
| 22:36.43 | epyon | *needed |
| 22:39.50 | chrisa | It's perl by the way |
| 22:40.02 | epyon | yeah noticed that |
| 22:40.07 | epyon | only needed it for quilt |
| 22:40.11 | epyon | but i didnt need that either |
| 22:40.25 | epyon | im still chillin at like 95 megs though |
| 22:40.34 | epyon | optware takes up alot of space |
| 22:42.37 | zsoc | ... optware itself takes up very little space |
| 22:42.40 | rwhitby | epyon: most people don't need anything from optware these days |
| 22:43.33 | epyon | rwhitby lol i guess ive had my pre too long then i remember when optware was the only way to get things on it |
| 22:43.59 | rwhitby | epyon: yep, we've come a long way since then :-) |
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| 22:45.50 | epyon | yeah preware is awesome |
| 22:46.10 | preston | oc80z, can you still help me with my email problem? |
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| 22:46.34 | A2NY | is there any omap bootloader for windows ? |
| 22:47.51 | AtomicPlayboy | EUREEKA or something. |
| 22:48.01 | AtomicPlayboy | I got it to connect to my work wifi network by reloading wpa_supplicant. |
| 22:50.51 | preston | does anyone in here know how to force pre's email app to accept invalid security certificates? |
| 22:51.24 | chrisa | Email the cert to the device, or copy it to media/internel |
| 22:51.32 | chrisa | Then go to device info's menu -> certs |
| 22:51.33 | chrisa | and add it |
| 22:51.41 | chrisa | *internal |
| 22:51.56 | preston | i tried that, but i still get the same error. |
| 22:52.20 | chrisa | Are you sure it's a valid cert? I've even used a generic dovecot generated one just fine |
| 22:53.02 | preston | it's valid, but it's self-signed, which seems to be a problem for the phone. |
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| 22:53.12 | chrisa | no, I'm talking self signed |
| 22:53.13 | epyon | yay app store stuff can be installed |
| 22:53.29 | chrisa | I use a cert generated/signed on my own domain without issue |
| 22:53.53 | Marajin | preston: I use self-signed at work, it's fine |
| 22:54.04 | hmagoo | grr, is it normal to have to wait for a data connection when activating |
| 22:54.49 | chrisa | hmagoo: usually pops up pretty quickly |
| 22:55.12 | AtomicPlayboy | rwhitby: ping |
| 22:55.24 | preston | before 1.3.1, the email app didn't have a problem, so it must be something with the update that made it start giving me errors. |
| 22:56.08 | hmagoo | trying to sign into the palm profile and it keeps saying "need to be connected to network" blah blah |
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| 22:57.05 | epyon | reset the phone and try again |
| 22:57.18 | epyon | that happened a bunch of times at the sprint store for me and my dad's pre |
| 22:57.21 | chrisa | Are you in a bad signal area? |
| 22:57.31 | hmagoo | usually get data at home |
| 22:58.31 | silentchild | if you just got the phone you need to call sprint and have them activate it |
| 22:58.42 | hmagoo | there is no data icon on the blue page |
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| 22:58.56 | hmagoo | yeah just went through activation, wouldn't get to this screen unless it was activated |
| 22:59.29 | Marajin | doesn't activation use SMS? I thought it did |
| 22:59.39 | egaudet_work | rwhitby, I noticed yesterday I got a problem installing the vkb via preware (I needed to update feeds), but Preware reported no issues. Preware never prompted the confirmation dialog, it simly went from me hitting install to it popping up "need to restart luna ok/later" dialog. I looked at ipkg log and saw the wget failure (if I remember correctly). I quickly updated feeds and it fixed it, but it may cause confusion for users if Prewar |
| 23:01.12 | rwhitby | egaudet_work: so a wget failure did not cause an IPKG Log error? |
| 23:03.04 | AtomicPlayboy | brb |
| 23:03.41 | egaudet_work | I wish I spent more time looking at the error, I briefly checked the log it was all in green, and I think I remember seeing the wget report some error, which prompted me to quickly update feeds (I chalked it up as some stale ipkg data or something since I was using same version test ipk manually installing before putting it in feed) |
| 23:04.22 | egaudet_work | But since others I reporting similar issues I'm thinking that it may be the same thing. Could it be a feed switch (1.2.1 to 1.3.1) type of issue? |
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| 23:04.47 | rwhitby | egaudet_work: ok, sounds like we need to regexp look for that error text if ipkg is not giving a fail status for it. |
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| 23:05.49 | egaudet_work | yea, hopefully we can get someone with the current issue to give us the ipkg log |
| 23:06.05 | egaudet_work | I'll try to reproduce it when I get a chance as well |
| 23:06.14 | spunks3 | what are the settings for wIRC to connect? |
| 23:06.20 | A2NY | does anyone have the omap windows software available ? |
| 23:07.35 | spunks3 | I can't seem to get it to connect |
| 23:07.49 | spunks3 | I'm usong webchat.freenode.net |
| 23:08.20 | egaudet_work | irc.freenode.net |
| 23:09.05 | spunks3 | what about in advance? |
| 23:10.21 | spunks3 | I had it the other day but the settings didn't save |
| 23:11.42 | egaudet_work | you don't 'need' anything else in advanced just to connect |
| 23:12.16 | AtomicPlayboy | +/win 7 |
| 23:12.19 | AtomicPlayboy | Whoops |
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| 23:13.15 | Spunks3 | hmmm so alias is freenode and address is irc.freenode.net, then I choose a nickname? |
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| 23:14.58 | Spunks3 | won't connect |
| 23:15.17 | egaudet_work | what does it say |
| 23:15.41 | egaudet_work | join #wirc |
| 23:16.21 | egaudet_work | I gotta head out, get some linner, run some errands, bbl |
| 23:16.24 | Spunks3 | it says connecting |
| 23:16.30 | Spunks3 | then disconected |
| 23:17.16 | egaudet_work | make sure internet is connected (if you chose preferred interface, make sure that is available) and make sure service is running. |
| 23:17.16 | egaudet_work | bbl |
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| 23:20.14 | justaguy_ | rwhitby: i was finally able to ssh into the pixi over the evdo |
| 23:20.43 | epyon | how is the pixi? |
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| 23:22.30 | justaguy_ | other than no wifi its just like the pre |
| 23:22.46 | justaguy_ | operates pretty much the same |
| 23:23.19 | epyon | not bad |
| 23:23.42 | justaguy_ | i like it, but its my gfs |
| 23:23.42 | justaguy_ | ive got the pre |
| 23:23.46 | justaguy_ | she had an iphone and she likes the pixi better |
| 23:24.02 | epyon | really thats interesting |
| 23:24.41 | justaguy_ | she doesnt like the kb on the iphone and likes the actual buttons on the pixi |
| 23:24.57 | epyon | yeah thats what i hear from most ppl |
| 23:25.23 | justaguy_ | so easy to make typo on the iphone |
| 23:25.42 | justaguy_ | spend more time correcting than actually messaging |
| 23:26.02 | justaguy_ | i PREfer the kb too |
| 23:26.35 | epyon | same |
| 23:26.38 | justaguy_ | my last phone was an ic902 |
| 23:27.52 | grndslm | i really should go check out my sprint store tomorrow |
| 23:27.57 | grndslm | really need to play with the clicky kb |
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| 23:28.21 | chrisa | I like the pixi keyboard more than pre's by far |
| 23:28.37 | chrisa | But I just use whatever has the more interesting build at work |
| 23:28.41 | justaguy_ | so far it seems more clicky |
| 23:29.13 | justaguy_ | i think after using it for a while it will be less clicky |
| 23:29.44 | chrisa | It actually stays pretty clicky, but I like that |
| 23:29.46 | konsoleX | has anyone ran all the framework .js files through google's closure compiler? any effect? |
| 23:31.57 | rwhitby | justaguy_: glad you got it to work. |
| 23:32.27 | justaguy_ | rwhitby: the wosqi will not install the gnu patch and diffstat |
| 23:32.37 | zsoc | What's the most effective way to compile a java file into a jar? |
| 23:32.39 | justaguy_ | when i hit the tweak menu |
| 23:32.40 | rwhitby | justaguy_: correct. Use Preware. |
| 23:32.44 | justaguy_ | ok |
| 23:32.58 | rwhitby | wosqi has not been updated for Pixi patching |
| 23:33.36 | justaguy_ | before i removed everything it was working with it, i removed all apps and patches from the pixi with woqi |
| 23:34.13 | justaguy_ | then started over with the bootstrap leading me to ssh into it |
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| 23:34.42 | Klubhead | Hola fellas |
| 23:36.02 | Klubhead | anyone here? |
| 23:36.07 | mumbles | sql is hard |
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| 23:37.12 | Klubhead | can anyone here help me out w/ a preware installation problem? |
| 23:38.04 | justaguy_ | post it |
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| 23:39.05 | Mousey | anybody know where the browser settings are stored? |
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| 23:40.13 | Klubhead | k, i installed the package manager service through quick install, let it do its thang (restarting java/service and what not), then installed preware also through quick install.. when i go to open preware, i get this error: http://forums.precentral.net/attachments/webos-internals/37272d1258583098-preware-preware_2009-18-11_172133.png |
| 23:40.20 | Mousey | thx |
| 23:40.25 | Mousey | oh, nm |
| 23:40.48 | sslow | been away (moving) for a few days, any word on 1.3.1.Dr. |
| 23:41.18 | Mousey | yah, i still can't get into my ssl sites |
| 23:41.26 | Mousey | nor can i login into slashdot |
| 23:41.58 | rwhitby | Klubhead: hi |
| 23:42.13 | rwhitby | Klubhead: do you have command line access to your Pre using WebOS Quick Install? |
| 23:42.41 | Klubhead | hey, i never tried using command line at all |
| 23:42.54 | Klubhead | if its something simple i can do it right now |
| 23:43.07 | Azalyn | does preware have a search feature? |
| 23:43.14 | AtomicPlayboy | Yes. |
| 23:43.17 | AtomicPlayboy | "List of Everything" |
| 23:43.17 | justaguy_ | Azalyn: yes list all |
| 23:43.21 | AtomicPlayboy | Type in what yo'ure looking for. |
| 23:43.41 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic, ping |
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| 23:43.56 | PuffTheMagic | ? |
| 23:44.29 | rwhitby | Klubhead: are you able to connect to your Pre using WebOS Quick Install? |
| 23:44.36 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic, i need help compiling a 2 .java into a .jar used for this service. Should I invest learning in Eclipse or is there some other option here? |
| 23:44.46 | Klubhead | yes it connects just fine |
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| 23:44.56 | rwhitby | Azalyn: Preware tells you how to search in the splash screen that comes up when you install Preware. |
| 23:45.13 | rwhitby | Klubhead: can you use the Linux command line menu item in WebOS Quick Install ? |
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| 23:45.51 | Klubhead | i never have before, i've always been a little iffy on command line kind of stuff |
| 23:45.51 | PuffTheMagic | zsoc: look at the ant build scripts in ipkgservice |
| 23:46.02 | sslow | so do I have to dr to 1.2.1 then update? |
| 23:46.35 | rwhitby | zsoc: I can turn the gstservice repo into an Eclipse project just like ipkgservice if you like, including the build.xml files that PuffTheMagic is referring ot. |
| 23:46.36 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic, the build script is in the git somewhere i suppose? |
| 23:46.38 | avengre | Hello all... Is there a way to put all the installed 'patches' to an uninstalled state so I can reapply them with the newest Palmpre update? |
| 23:46.42 | justaguy_ | Klubhead: just open it and follow rwhitbys instructions |
| 23:46.53 | zsoc | rwhitby, yes but then wouldn't i have to commit each time i wanted to test a change? that would be silly |
| 23:46.58 | Klubhead | will do ;) |
| 23:47.12 | rwhitby | zsoc: no, you would not. You just run Eclipse locally to compile the .jar |
| 23:47.27 | rwhitby | zsoc: after you've finished testing, you commit. |
| 23:47.29 | zsoc | rwhitby, oh... and eclipse.. interfaces... with the git repo.. some how? |
| 23:47.51 | rwhitby | zsoc: eclipse can check out git repos containing projects directly |
| 23:47.55 | zsoc | oh, but the compiling still takes place locally with eclipse. so it still involves learning something new :P |
| 23:48.07 | rwhitby | yep, most things do :-) |
| 23:48.18 | zsoc | is that why you know everything? |
| 23:48.22 | rwhitby | zsoc: BTW, the autobuilder also uses the build.xml ant script |
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| 23:48.35 | rwhitby | zsoc: far from it |
| 23:48.50 | avengre | Anyone run into problems with their patches having been disabled with the newest update? |
| 23:49.05 | zsoc | rwhitby, i just think their should be some sort of command line way to compile... i don't need an .ipk or to install, i just need to replace the .jar generally speaking, for testing. |
| 23:49.08 | rwhitby | avengre: update your feeds |
| 23:49.18 | rwhitby | zsoc: there is, using ant |
| 23:49.25 | A2NY | avengre: you should remove all patches before updating the system |
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| 23:49.32 | avengre | well, didn't know that beforehand :P |
| 23:49.39 | rwhitby | Klubhead: so do you have the command line ready? |
| 23:49.52 | rwhitby | avengre: run the EPR |
| 23:49.59 | vicini | rwhitby, you told me to join irc to fix the problem, is this the right channel |
| 23:50.00 | avengre | EPR? |
| 23:50.06 | zsoc | so... in theory i could look at the ant build scripts.. and just use ant |
| 23:50.25 | WillJitsu | avengre: emergency patch removal |
| 23:50.29 | Klubhead | yes, i click 'tools', 'linux commandline' |
| 23:50.46 | WillJitsu | avengre: it's listed in Preware |
| 23:51.02 | rwhitby | vicini: yep |
| 23:51.07 | konsoleX | well... i'm an idiot. i didn't back up mojo.js before overwriting it with the code output from closure (http://closure-compiler.appspot.com/home) thankfully the phone still functions. Now, to run the rest of the .js on this phone through it ;) |
| 23:51.22 | rwhitby | vicini: can you use webOS Quick Install to access the linux command line? |
| 23:51.26 | Klubhead | now all i see is "root@castle:" in an open box |
| 23:51.39 | sslow | avengere: go to preware/list of everything/type emergency patch removal |
| 23:51.55 | avengre | ok i'm working on it |
| 23:51.56 | vicini | done |
| 23:52.02 | rwhitby | Klubhead: great. type (without the quotes) "ls -l /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.preware" |
| 23:52.12 | rwhitby | vicini: same for you |
| 23:52.39 | Klubhead | k, then hit enter? |
| 23:52.42 | sslow | So no 1.3.1 Dr yet |
| 23:52.42 | vicini | no such file or directory |
| 23:52.58 | rwhitby | Klubhead, vicini: you both also need to go to webos.pastebin.com and be ready to cut and paste the command line you type and the output you get into that. |
| 23:53.15 | rwhitby | Klubhead, vincini: now type (without the quotes) "ls -l /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice" |
| 23:53.45 | rwhitby | Klubhead: yep, hit enter after each command to execute it |
| 23:54.05 | Klubhead | ok, its saying " No such file or directory" |
| 23:54.06 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: what was that measure or lag you mentions the other day squart root of RTT/ |
| 23:54.07 | PuffTheMagic | ? |
| 23:54.17 | Klubhead | is that still whats suppose to be happening though? |
| 23:54.23 | vicini | root@castle: ls -l /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1126 Nov 18 17:27 /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice root@castle: |
| 23:55.12 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: I was joking at the time |
| 23:55.20 | PuffTheMagic | oh |
| 23:55.32 | PuffTheMagic | so there is no formula based on RTT that was all BS? |
| 23:55.38 | rwhitby | Klubhead: yes - follow along as I tell vicini what to type. |
| 23:55.44 | Klubhead | ok |
| 23:55.44 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: yes. sorry. |
| 23:56.02 | rwhitby | vicini: do you know how to use webos.pastebin.com ? |
| 23:56.14 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: no biggie |
| 23:56.21 | vicini | no, i just brought it up, so a little coaching should teach me |
| 23:56.42 | rwhitby | vicini: you paste into the text box, then hit send - it will change to a new URL which you then paste in the channel here |
| 23:56.56 | rwhitby | I go and look at the URL and see what you pasted - saves clogging the channel here. |
| 23:57.08 | justaguy_ | Klubhead: make sure you dont use the " |
| 23:57.20 | vicini | root@castle: ls -l /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1126 Nov 18 17:27 /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice root@castle: |
| 23:57.28 | vicini | let me try again |
| 23:57.36 | rwhitby | vicini: can you pastebin the output of "cat /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice" please? |
| 23:57.43 | Klubhead | im not, im trying to get a url from paste bin, im just getting a numbered sequence of the linux dialog box |
| 23:58.21 | Klubhead | o yea.. looked like it worked, its on the left lol.. |
| 23:58.52 | *** part/#webos-internals WillJitsu (n=wIRCer@66-162-169-2.static.twtelecom.net) |
| 23:58.52 | *** join/#webos-internals atlanta (i=48bdc1df@gateway/web/freenode/x-jhngpurdtfqqmsbb) |
| 23:59.00 | Azalyn | justaguy_, AtomicPlayboy, rwhitby: thanks. i feel stupid. :| |
| 23:59.03 | vicini | I click send and it creates a post, but it doesn't make a url |
| 23:59.10 | atlanta | does the partial erase auto reinstall your apps after reboot |
| 23:59.10 | atlanta | ? |
| 23:59.11 | Azalyn | i could've sworn i tried that.. but i guess not. |
| 23:59.13 | Azalyn | >.< |
| 23:59.22 | *** join/#webos-internals chuqui (n=chuqui@palm-64-28-152-131.palm.com) |
| 23:59.49 | Klubhead | a link to what you 'posted' goes to the top left of pastebin |
| 23:59.53 | vicini | oh so is it posting to you rod? |
